No one does gunfight realism like Michael Mann. Not just technical details but more the overall sensation of chaos and carnage, the immediacy of it all. Virtually every other gangster movie is framed like, well, a movie. Visual exposition and period details everywhere, neatly composed to be as obvious and genre-specific as possible. It always feels like a film set somehow. Michael Mann does something very different. He builds out the whole environment completely with remarkable detail, and then ignores most of it with his camera. The scale and detail is still superb though, meaning he can shoot scenes in this naturalistic way from the disposition of the characters living in that era, and by extension, better immersing the audience in that world. The shootout scene that spills onto the streets outside the bank in broad daylight isn’t neatly framed to carefully portray historical settings and capture period details. It’s shot raw. You see wide open handheld shots of the whole city, even going along with the cars. It’s hard to articulate what I really mean but I can best sum it up as Mann discards stylized artistry in favor of blunt realism. Which ironically heightens the film’s artistic merits and defines his style.
Thats because Michael Mann hates how dubbed gunshots sound in movies. If im not mistaken they dubbed the gunfire in Heat and Mann preferred the actual audio of the weapons so he made audio change it. Since He uses real weapons with blank rounds in his movies which is why his shootouts are louder & usually from far distances too. In some shots for Collateral. Every crime movie he does (minus Black Hat) is iconic.
The gunshots are so real. This movie is a classic. Underrated. Johnny Depp & the guys actually took extensive gun training/courses. Those Thompsons are something to behold. 💥
Patrick Murray yes, which are highlighted in videos,like this one. Though I don’t really understand what it is you mean? I’m just pointing out my preference in mobster flicks.. ie the shootouts.
Full load blanks, very little post production sound editing needed. Albeit also a flaw with this film. The sound mixing for everything BUT the gunfights has you raising the volume on the TV to hear the dialogue, then when the shooting happens its like "fuck! I hope the neighbor doesn't think I'm ripping a thompson off in my house." Lol
@@davidhoffman1278 understandable, but, the grease gun misses that whole iconic 20's gangster thing that the tommy has got going on.. it's also missing a nice heavy stock for crushing skulls when things get all close and sweaty
@@panther7584 if you need more than twenty rounds you may as well get fr behind cover and ask the guy to finish you cause you've already lost. These are the same type of people who think revolvers suck because 'not enough bullets".
I was just going to say the same thing. Great sound effects. I think they just used the audio from the blanks being fired, whereas most movies will over dub the gun shots.
Foreal. I give props to the soldiers that lugged that around in ww2. Especially with the 100 round drum. My favorite gun to shoot tho. The weight actually helps with accuracy very minimal recoil.
For this time period, in the 30's? Sure. But by WWII the Thompson was not just too heavy, its also wayyy too expensive and time consuming to produce. The future belonged to cheap stamped guns like the Sten or the M3 grease gun, that could do the job just as well, at 10% of the cost.
@@pauljay9000100 round drums weren’t used by the military during WWII, but the 50 round drums were utilized by Allied forces. Even when the later M1s and M1A1s were introduced, some guys still carried the older M1928A1 with a drum magazine. That being said, the Thompson was obsolescent even before the war began. It’s big, heavy, unergonomic, and while it can be controllable with a bit of skill, the drop in the stock means the gun will climb more than others. My opinion, I’d rather carry about almost anything other than a Thompson. The Beretta 38A, Owen Gun, and PPS-43 are all better options.
@@Arch3an I'm pretty sure he was using it during the cabin shootout scene before his mate brings him a Tommy gun but it's just too dark to see anything.!
This is not a full-auto 1911, it's a Colt .38 Super "Machine Pistol", which the actual Nelson & Dillinger owned, build by Human S. Lebman. www.guns.com/news/2012/09/26/lebman-1911-machine-pistol
Wouldn’t it be awkward if everyone in the forest shootout ran out of ammo. Like everyone, the cops, the robbers... not a single bullet. They just look at each other yelling obscenities.
@@fdsfggr In reality Sunday, April 22, 1934 8:00 p.m niether side ran out of ammo in the shootout at the little bohemia lodge also the shootout itself probably only lasted a few minutes. The lodge was most certainly shot to hell but alot of lead flys in 5 minutes.
Except they got it COMPLETELY wrong. This film shows Nelson dying before Dillinger, but Dillinger died in July 1934 and Nelson died in November 1934... 4 months AFTER Dillinger.
I agree Jeff..... Hollywood Hokem hoohaa l believe that John Dillinger died even before Charles Arthur Floyd who was actually executed in October 1934.....a document on him claims that "Pretty boy Floyd" was actually unarmed when he was wounded while he was attempting to run away from the law...and then was executed by being shot in the back of the head, an order given by Melvin Pervis himself. And from my knowledge then Alvin "creepy" Karpis become Public Enemy Number One.
Yeah, but in the movie, Dillinger is played by Johnny Depp, so he can't die until the end because Depp is top billing and gives him lots of plot armour.
These days, you hunt down a murdering psychopath like Dillinger or Bonnie and Clyde and ventilate them, people will say you should have tried talking them into giving up or something
There's a big difference between criminals you know nothing about or hardened cop-killers that shot themselves free in the past. One group deserves a chance for fair trial.
If you liked this movie I highly, highly, highly, recommend you watch the 1972 version called “Dillinger” way more gun fights, though not as realistic as Michael Mann’s version, but very pervasive.
@Aldough_green it’s not a western game... the first red dead was set closer to ww1 then the western period and the second game takes place right at the very end of the western period.
Probably because the stick mags were wayyy more common than the expensive and cumbersome drums. The stick mags were cranked out in enormous numbers for use in WWII, which was not the case for the drums.
Michael Mann doesn’t get the credit he deserves. Every actor in his films does a lot of training for their roles. Not only firearms training. Tom Cruise he made go into businesses and deliver things without getting recognized. If he did then he’d fail. It actually feels like you’re in Chicago and surrounding areas during the 30’s. They filmed part of this film in my college at Roosevelt. Unfortunately it was the year before I went there. Seemed like so many films in the late 2000’s were filmed there and a couple early 2010’s. Dark Knight, Public Enemies, Wanted, Transformers Dark of the Moon. My city is so beautiful but it gets tainted with all the gang violence now.
@@leeandjaq This early in the thompson's history it would be 20 round stick magazines, which the movie got correct. The 30 rounder was invented in WWII.
You actually could. Its a very heavy gun (14.5 lbs with the drum, compared to 8 lbs for a M16), and the cartridge is still a pistol round (the 5.56 is more powerful than the .45 ACP), so it doesnt rise much at all, despite the high rate of fire.
Assuming you had the massive arm strength required to hold a “SMG” that weighs 10 pounds _unloaded_ with one hand, let alone with a fully loaded 50 round drum, you probably wouldn’t worry about recoil control.
And they compare this masterpiece with Gangster Squad in realism and action. Don’t get me wrong, the latter is a good action flick but Public Enemy wins it for me.
Love this movie but it gets me everytime the scene where they are leaving the bank and have hostages... 40 seconds in this video. They shoot literally next to their heads and they don't react to the sound at all or muzzle break. I know its just a movie but...
No one does gunfight realism like Michael Mann. Not just technical details but more the overall sensation of chaos and carnage, the immediacy of it all. Virtually every other gangster movie is framed like, well, a movie. Visual exposition and period details everywhere, neatly composed to be as obvious and genre-specific as possible. It always feels like a film set somehow. Michael Mann does something very different. He builds out the whole environment completely with remarkable detail, and then ignores most of it with his camera. The scale and detail is still superb though, meaning he can shoot scenes in this naturalistic way from the disposition of the characters living in that era, and by extension, better immersing the audience in that world. The shootout scene that spills onto the streets outside the bank in broad daylight isn’t neatly framed to carefully portray historical settings and capture period details. It’s shot raw. You see wide open handheld shots of the whole city, even going along with the cars. It’s hard to articulate what I really mean but I can best sum it up as Mann discards stylized artistry in favor of blunt realism. Which ironically heightens the film’s artistic merits and defines his style.
Well put....Michael Mann is a Master in Movie Making.
Thats because Michael Mann hates how dubbed gunshots sound in movies. If im not mistaken they dubbed the gunfire in Heat and Mann preferred the actual audio of the weapons so he made audio change it. Since He uses real weapons with blank rounds in his movies which is why his shootouts are louder & usually from far distances too. In some shots for Collateral. Every crime movie he does (minus Black Hat) is iconic.
@@750suzuki well put, in acknowledging that original comment was well put. Took the words right out of my mouth
No doubt
I really don't like how the sound is mixed. Absolutely horrible.
Tommy and BARs. Hard to beat when combined.
@Chris Webster Yeah nothing like a double breasted suit wearing, 12 gauge shotgun toting bank robber.
Nothing like today’s thugs
That's basically a smg squad with a light mg in support. So no doubt.
@Chris Webster Those were some hard hitting guns too. Nowadays it's all about concealment.
Shotgun
Ah yes, the Frankenstein's monster combination that is the "Bart Ommy" gun...
Directors like Michael Mann really know how to combine the action and drama genres perfectly.
The gunshots are so real. This movie is a classic. Underrated. Johnny Depp & the guys actually took extensive gun training/courses. Those Thompsons are something to behold. 💥
Me encanta , Thompson y Bar.
I just love how the guns sounded in this, every movie should do this
Michael Mann should be immortal. His style is unique.
Heat
3:29 gets me everytime. I love this film
Baby Faced Nelson with a Tommy Gun. My favorite.
its a very good film good special effects in it
It makes me laugh everytime I see this.
They say that the bank manager's great grandchildren's ears are still ringing to this day.
bro for real, a full auto Tommy with a cutts comp on it banging off right next to your ear is gonna ruin your life lmao
Nobody can do a Hollywood Shootout Like. Director , ...................................Michael Mann...Superb........
Thanks man, personally the action scenes in mobster flicks are what makes them next to the suits, I liked this a lot 👍🏻
Wanderingwalker 1990 what. To of the best mobster movies stuff it movies (godfather 1 and 2 and good fellas) probably have to proper shootouts.
Patrick Murray yes, which are highlighted in videos,like this one.
Though I don’t really understand what it is you mean?
I’m just pointing out my preference in mobster flicks.. ie the shootouts.
P0p
Pklmml
Good sound work on the gun fire. Reminds me of Heat sometimes the way they get the echoes in the urban scenes.
Good catch. Same director. Michael Mann
I remember watching it in the theater and it was DEAFENING. Covered my ears whenever there is a firefight scene
Miami Vice too
Full load blanks, very little post production sound editing needed. Albeit also a flaw with this film. The sound mixing for everything BUT the gunfights has you raising the volume on the TV to hear the dialogue, then when the shooting happens its like "fuck! I hope the neighbor doesn't think I'm ripping a thompson off in my house." Lol
Everyone needs a friend named Tommy
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Yea he played a mean guitar. He said he learned how from the Devil himself.
Heavy as heck, and the sliding mechanism sometimes sticks. I like the Grease Gun. Same cartridge, less expensive, lighter.
@@davidhoffman1278 understandable, but, the grease gun misses that whole iconic 20's gangster thing that the tommy has got going on.. it's also missing a nice heavy stock for crushing skulls when things get all close and sweaty
Typewriters from Chicago certainly are something special
The BAR is still a formidable weapon.
I mean Snickers is really formidable
Once it runs out of 20 bullets, it's not.
@@panther7584 wow great logic
@@panther7584 if you need more than twenty rounds you may as well get fr behind cover and ask the guy to finish you cause you've already lost. These are the same type of people who think revolvers suck because 'not enough bullets".
@Stabswache I should have said "for a weapon that's about 100 years old Its still formidable".
1:20 these scene reminds me 1995 "Heat". Then I read it's the same director :D
I was just going to say the same thing. Great sound effects. I think they just used the audio from the blanks being fired, whereas most movies will over dub the gun shots.
Heat is still an awesome movie.
That what I thought too
The gun sound is really on the next level.
I honestly thought deniro directed heat
Like the film was his idea, I'm an idiot :c
So refreshing to see Tommys with 20 round stick mags. Drum mags feel so overused. Stick mags had advantages too.
Realistic sound of the Thompson, and they nailed the rate of fire. A formidable piece of kit, the weight of the Thompson was its only downside.
Foreal. I give props to the soldiers that lugged that around in ww2. Especially with the 100 round drum. My favorite gun to shoot tho. The weight actually helps with accuracy very minimal recoil.
For this time period, in the 30's? Sure.
But by WWII the Thompson was not just too heavy, its also wayyy too expensive and time consuming to produce. The future belonged to cheap stamped guns like the Sten or the M3 grease gun, that could do the job just as well, at 10% of the cost.
@@pauljay9000100 round drums weren’t used by the military during WWII, but the 50 round drums were utilized by Allied forces. Even when the later M1s and M1A1s were introduced, some guys still carried the older M1928A1 with a drum magazine.
That being said, the Thompson was obsolescent even before the war began. It’s big, heavy, unergonomic, and while it can be controllable with a bit of skill, the drop in the stock means the gun will climb more than others.
My opinion, I’d rather carry about almost anything other than a Thompson. The Beretta 38A, Owen Gun, and PPS-43 are all better options.
I love baby face nelsons full auto colt 1911, a rare weapon in those times.!
IIRC, a real robber did have one back in the day, it had a thompson style compensator on the barrel, extended mags, and some kind of foregrip
Was it shown in this video? I remember him having one in the movie, but didn't seem to catch it on this video.
@@Arch3an I'm pretty sure he was using it during the cabin shootout scene before his mate brings him a Tommy gun but it's just too dark to see anything.!
This is not a full-auto 1911, it's a Colt .38 Super "Machine Pistol", which the actual Nelson & Dillinger owned, build by Human S. Lebman.
www.guns.com/news/2012/09/26/lebman-1911-machine-pistol
The gunshots are so realistic it looks likes im actually seeing combat and not watching a movie
0:34 dude's right ear probably deaf already
3:24 love that wild vibrating as he's shooting lol
Recoil haha or just having fun
he was a hero in the eyes of poor people in his time.
Who? Cuz it seems it was a bunch of lunatics gunning down cops and citizens while using “poor people” as human shields, lol
Imagine their ear drum, I bet most of them are 50% deaf
When I saw this in theatres the shootouts were so loud. imagine being this poor guy 0:35
you mean Johnny Deaf?
at least most of the time they are shooting outside, in open places
Not sure why this was in my recommendations, but I'm glad it was. Now i gotta watch this movie.
Wouldn’t it be awkward if everyone in the forest shootout ran out of ammo. Like everyone, the cops, the robbers... not a single bullet. They just look at each other yelling obscenities.
would have been more realistic me thinks
Dude great idea! It would be epic scene in parody of mafia movie. I write comedy screanplays - scenarios .. in Polish but still.
@@fdsfggr In reality Sunday, April 22, 1934 8:00 p.m niether side ran out of ammo in the shootout at the little bohemia lodge also the shootout itself probably only lasted a few minutes. The lodge was most certainly shot to hell but alot of lead flys in 5 minutes.
Imagine all the people
Living for today
FIX BAYONETS!
Realistic gunfire sound effect
1:15 the echo.. beautiful sound
Except they got it COMPLETELY wrong. This film shows Nelson dying before Dillinger, but Dillinger died in July 1934 and Nelson died in November 1934... 4 months AFTER Dillinger.
I agree Jeff..... Hollywood Hokem hoohaa l believe that John Dillinger died even before Charles Arthur Floyd who was actually executed in October 1934.....a document on him claims that "Pretty boy Floyd" was actually unarmed when he was wounded while he was attempting to run away from the law...and then was executed by being shot in the back of the head, an order given by Melvin Pervis himself.
And from my knowledge then Alvin "creepy" Karpis become Public Enemy Number One.
Most of the gang died after Dillinger.
Yeah, but in the movie, Dillinger is played by Johnny Depp, so he can't die until the end because Depp is top billing and gives him lots of plot armour.
Yep even pretty boy was killed later and lived longer than dillinger he fell 2 FBI bullets in October 22 1934....
@@andrewlerdard-dickson5201 well after Floyd it was Nelson that was PEN1...
What an underrated gem. Great video
Best movie of all time, hands down!
Amazing bullet proof window frames !
These days, you hunt down a murdering psychopath like Dillinger or Bonnie and Clyde and ventilate them, people will say you should have tried talking them into giving up or something
Um, there was a lot of controversy about what happened with Bonnie and Clyde at the time as well...
Yes. That's how law enforcement works. Congratulations you've figured it out.
Your tactic should have been used on Jan 6th against all those traitors and domestic terrorists 👍
Dillinger was not psychopath but bonnie & Clyde
There's a big difference between criminals you know nothing about or hardened cop-killers that shot themselves free in the past.
One group deserves a chance for fair trial.
5:16 is that Don Frye?
Yes it is!
This is how I want a Justice League movie to be like when they fight the Injustice Gang.
The cameras, perfection!
The dodge-roll at 4:19 is excellent
never realized Don Frye in this one
One of the best realistic gunfight movies 💓
MMA champ Don Frye at 5:16! Who better to take on John Dillinger than a man with a bulletproof mustache?
I love it. the confrontations cameras and the guns effects behaviour.. Mann is a f#ucking insane monster
NOTHING LIKE THE SOUND OF A THOMPSON!
You can have your AK's and M16s..I want me a Thompson and a BAR..
Tommy gun 13 lbs with loaded drum mag, BAR 26 lbs with loaded mag, ..... heavy to carry very far
@@750suzuki soldiers carried them all over Europe
De Niro & this little guy will always be my
Al Capones!
0:37 RIP bank manager's ears
Clyde Barrow's choice of weapon BAR
With a shortened barrel and stock that he kept slung under his shoulder.
He also raved about his 'Whip It' gun, Browning Auto 5 in 20 gauge with shortened stock and barrel. He could Whip It and use it quickly.
If you liked this movie I highly, highly, highly, recommend you watch the 1972 version called “Dillinger” way more gun fights, though not as realistic as Michael Mann’s version, but very pervasive.
Loved the sound
It's a great proof for that why Thompson smg was called ,,Chicago Typewriter"
One of my favorite Movies ❤
How many people here would like to see this theme for Red Dead Redemption 3?
@Aldough_green sheesh
Maybe not red dead redemption but a 20’s and 30’s era gangster game from rockstar would be excellent.
@Aldough_green it’s not a western game... the first red dead was set closer to ww1 then the western period and the second game takes place right at the very end of the western period.
You know that the western genre isn't tied to a particular time, right? No Country for Old Men is a western.
LA Noire, Rockstar Games...takes place in 1947 LA
I’d like to see one about New York or Chicago in the 20s or 30s
That would be dope
Always wondered why the Thompsons were shown with the stick magazine instead of the round drum.
Probably because the stick mags were wayyy more common than the expensive and cumbersome drums. The stick mags were cranked out in enormous numbers for use in WWII, which was not the case for the drums.
Michael Mann doesn’t get the credit he deserves. Every actor in his films does a lot of training for their roles. Not only firearms training. Tom Cruise he made go into businesses and deliver things without getting recognized. If he did then he’d fail. It actually feels like you’re in Chicago and surrounding areas during the 30’s. They filmed part of this film in my college at Roosevelt. Unfortunately it was the year before I went there. Seemed like so many films in the late 2000’s were filmed there and a couple early 2010’s. Dark Knight, Public Enemies, Wanted, Transformers Dark of the Moon. My city is so beautiful but it gets tainted with all the gang violence now.
5:00 5:07 only in movies
RIP guys ear 0:40
Some scenes are missing.
Very good
05:13 Ohhh noo, le dieron a Chaparrón Bonaparte...
I love this movie
Channing Tatum played Pretty Boy Floyd.
100 round drum and 35 round magazines. A Tommy gun. Massive killing power.
It's 100 or 50 round drum(which was rare) or 30 clip/ box never been 35 Rnd magazine for any SMG !
@@leeandjaq This early in the thompson's history it would be 20 round stick magazines, which the movie got correct. The 30 rounder was invented in WWII.
Nice scenes of my hometown!
In those days bank robbers wore suits and ties they dress to impress
you missed agent carter getting killed by baby face nelson who took his car before being chase and killed by purvis..
baby face Nelson was al capone in hbo's boardwalk empire.
i love the sound of full automatic gunfire and i love when banks and armoured trucks get robbed
Does this mean that the suit doesn't make the man?
Tommy gun had bad muzzle rise. I doubt it whther you could fire it one handed and keep control of it.
Heavy with the full drum
You actually could. Its a very heavy gun (14.5 lbs with the drum, compared to 8 lbs for a M16), and the cartridge is still a pistol round (the 5.56 is more powerful than the .45 ACP), so it doesnt rise much at all, despite the high rate of fire.
Assuming you had the massive arm strength required to hold a “SMG” that weighs 10 pounds _unloaded_ with one hand, let alone with a fully loaded 50 round drum, you probably wouldn’t worry about recoil control.
And they compare this masterpiece with Gangster Squad in realism and action. Don’t get me wrong, the latter is a good action flick but Public Enemy wins it for me.
baby face nelson dies after john....and never gets captured. He kills both lawmen and gets away...
Name movie
Immense! Topissisme!
that movie make me want to play the Mafia games
Love this movie but it gets me everytime the scene where they are leaving the bank and have hostages... 40 seconds in this video. They shoot literally next to their heads and they don't react to the sound at all or muzzle break. I know its just a movie but...
04:55 Very fanny the fucking death of baby face (perfomance of Stephen Graham)
КАК НАЗЫВАЕТСЯ ЭТОТ ФИЛЬМ ?
Public Enemies
In 4:50 mid closing the left eye would look more real and Mann
Batman killed Edward Scissorhands.
The most realistic gun shots
What kind of shotgun is that in the wooded scene? I wish my 12g exploded trees
M1887 Browning lever action shotguns, 12 gauge
Makes me want a Thompson
John dillinger respect no disrespect to al capone or Bonnie and Clyde
Dainty ... Fits on hamber
Ďodos filmes muito show mesmo gostaria muito de ver um do inicio au fim muito show mesmo bom trabalho
GET IN YA DUNB BASTITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GET IN!!!!!!!!!!!
Love this music
Damn only one reload, and that of a high cap mag.
Badass gangsters
I blame the parents.
Where İs Street Shootout Scene
this was mason city iowa the towns people and serriffs shoot out they spotted homer van meters car.
Fantastic movie
Man. Lots of shooting
N 1
Muy buena peli
Whatever not even superman could shoot those guns one-handed 😂
銃口が火を噴くのがカッコイイ～♪
Bye bye blackbird…
Supongo que por eso le tenían miedo.😂🤣😅👹👹👹
Why would there be cops all in the surrounding buildings?
During the bank robbery? It was local residents/shop owners.
@@kwb377 haha who all had Thompson sub machine guns??
@@johnmn3500 Actually, Tommy guns were available for the public too
Them Texas boys, not to be fucked with.
Floyd was killed by two .45 calibre slugs. And he was not carrying a Thompson.