I don't find it fair to new players when a game fundamentally changes the way something works and that something was widely used to pass certain levels or "walls".
11:10 this is the exact reason poison was adjusted. There is no way they intended for a lvl 1 hero with no skill ups to kill a boss. There is the new "secret society" faction coming maybe they'll have poison affinity (think a3/a5 solcadens + Anai)
😂 what brilliant timing. MightyToon released today a gear lab showcasing how great poison is against high HP and defence bosses. They be trolling, they be trolling…
Something I've noticed is that if you let support know that a skill isn't working correctly they will change the skill text rather than fix the skill. It's pretty darn hilarious.
I think the name change is fine, neurotoxins are in real life very potent poisons, so it makes sense that being the stronger dot, but say that in the patch notes
Thanks a lot for the showcase! RiP poison. That is a pretty big damage nerf. Hopefully they'll take another look, and come up with something in between what poison was originally, and what its going to be after the patch.
brilliant move i would say ... i agree its starting to feel intentional or a smoke screen to distract players from boreas nerfs , cause they had neurotoxin out hidden on 1 character but did not think to mentioning it in patch note or try to relay a proper reasoning it was strange but smart it almost worked it confused players like a shock shell and made us argue about some thing els .
yea, i noticed in the middle that the poisons were not lasting 10s. hopefully its a bug or someone just forgot to update the code for the new length. If the poisons actually last 10s she will probably be able to keep full stacks/uptime and damage will clearly be much better in that case. still less than current poison but at least serviceable.
I was sorta upset about this at first, but then I remembered that they plan to rework the damage calculation later on like they referred to on Mabucket's tour. I think they are making this change because DOT will be more important after the calculation change. I'm really hoping it's more than just "we don't like you clearing AMR with cuke anymore".
What we don’t know yet is if neurotoxin can be applied to Boreas in codex. They were hyper specific with the skills that worked and they could neuter Liam there.
As a newer player (27 days now), it's kinda vexing trying to research stuff just find popular strats nerfed, nevermind those that just won't apply because you don't have a specific unit. Currently being gated by AM12 for the Volka quest and my DPS pulls have not been great. 3 legendary healers doesn't do much good on a stage with 2 platforms and insufficient damage to take out the boss and add trickle. Can't even say my gear farming has gone well with how few I get workable stats. Nature of the beast, I guess, but there's a lot of feelsbadman when walled and the only solution is time and RNG.
The 10s duration was the only possible redeeming modification they made. It would've allowed builds to NOT be forced into attack speed... But looks like they mucked it up...
So how does this affect Aracha? She deals spider toxin (m.dmg) and poison (true dmg). Is she going to stack her magic damage now? Are they changing her poison to neurotoxin? Seems like an unnecessary decision all round.
@@DirtyRoomKnives yup all in favor of probably a new Lego who does the “old” true dmg poison. Aracha should’ve gotten the neurotoxin treatment at the least for being a lord
Did you have the chance to take a look at what Nisalt is like after these changes? Adjusting DoTs this much really throws a guy based on DoTs like him into complete limbo.
lets hope they rethink this. It looks pretty bad. ill just use another burner for codex maybe if this does not work out or everybody will make liam lvl 60 for codex lol. Great video as always.
I think the non communcation & that the poison name changed is strategic. Despite the good things they do,, they still are a gotcha company,... they'd prefer people to think spending is there only option. But of course it's great that they do give a damn about the play aspect of there game for everyone.
They do this for the back and forth for the numbers bad or good publicity is never bad so.This is why they do this shit.Well done WOR making one hero a epic hero poisner that cant be and want be used by anyone not early or late this gear would be better used on Wrath or Brianna
@FastidiousYT I even mentioned it to them in a report about some of the things they are doing and it was the first time they blow me off with no real answer 😒
Confirmed that poison on Cerberus's artifact has also changed. However, given Cerberus's very high base attack, this likely will result in an improvement for him.
@@Bleachguy2023 poison is nerfed. Additionally the heroes cutter cute and skewed are having their basic attacks nerfed. Only Liam out of all poison hacer is getting to keep the old poison which is now called neurotoxin
Well, they definitely destroyed poison lol. Guess only thing left to do is to wait to see what else comes with it. Still doesn't seem useful though even with higher attack.
important to know this change IS NOT LIVE. If we complain here and on discord, I know explicitly that they are open to feedback and revisiting the change.
I think for all the F2P players, this is a very important thing to fight against. I don't need poison, but this is not good for the health of the game if other people can't find alternatives to beating harder content. @@fastidious_gg
Liam is actually required to clear the stage you are given him in the campaign. They didn't want to make the level a guaranteed fail 😉 Also, poison probably wasnt even breaking the defence on the amr boss, it actually matters with now.
@@fastidious_gg yeah but I doubt it will break defence cap against bosses with the commons, cuke has a chance, but the important ones are all around 9-10k
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I don't find it fair to new players when a game fundamentally changes the way something works and that something was widely used to pass certain levels or "walls".
I agree completely
11:10 this is the exact reason poison was adjusted. There is no way they intended for a lvl 1 hero with no skill ups to kill a boss. There is the new "secret society" faction coming maybe they'll have poison affinity (think a3/a5 solcadens + Anai)
New faction lol what? Dm me
WOR just hit the “ uncle Roger” at the very end …. “ actually 5 seconds … hiyaaa!” 😂😂😂😂
😂 what brilliant timing. MightyToon released today a gear lab showcasing how great poison is against high HP and defence bosses. They be trolling, they be trolling…
lmaoooo
Something I've noticed is that if you let support know that a skill isn't working correctly they will change the skill text rather than fix the skill. It's pretty darn hilarious.
hahah this is so accurate
the uncommons become unusable with the 15%
I think the name change is fine, neurotoxins are in real life very potent poisons, so it makes sense that being the stronger dot, but say that in the patch notes
Fair point
Thanks a lot for the showcase! RiP poison. That is a pretty big damage nerf.
Hopefully they'll take another look, and come up with something in between what poison was originally, and what its going to be after the patch.
I am hopeful they will revisit the change before any final decision.
I'm thinking that there's a new leader coming whose going to do be the iovar of poison
that would be.....interesting@@ArcturusWoR
a TLDR would be really nice for a 30min video
brilliant move i would say ... i agree its starting to feel intentional or a smoke screen to distract players from boreas nerfs , cause they had neurotoxin out hidden on 1 character but did not think to mentioning it in patch note or try to relay a proper reasoning it was strange but smart it almost worked it confused players like a shock shell and made us argue about some thing els .
Lmaoooo maybe maybe
yea, i noticed in the middle that the poisons were not lasting 10s. hopefully its a bug or someone just forgot to update the code for the new length. If the poisons actually last 10s she will probably be able to keep full stacks/uptime and damage will clearly be much better in that case. still less than current poison but at least serviceable.
Yea check at the end, we tested and it was only 5 sec
Thanks for this video, love the vibe! And I agree, the the communication by Moonton was very poor.
Totally agree!
and glad you liked it
I was sorta upset about this at first, but then I remembered that they plan to rework the damage calculation later on like they referred to on Mabucket's tour. I think they are making this change because DOT will be more important after the calculation change. I'm really hoping it's more than just "we don't like you clearing AMR with cuke anymore".
What we don’t know yet is if neurotoxin can be applied to Boreas in codex. They were hyper specific with the skills that worked and they could neuter Liam there.
As a newer player (27 days now), it's kinda vexing trying to research stuff just find popular strats nerfed, nevermind those that just won't apply because you don't have a specific unit. Currently being gated by AM12 for the Volka quest and my DPS pulls have not been great. 3 legendary healers doesn't do much good on a stage with 2 platforms and insufficient damage to take out the boss and add trickle. Can't even say my gear farming has gone well with how few I get workable stats. Nature of the beast, I guess, but there's a lot of feelsbadman when walled and the only solution is time and RNG.
RIP Cuke, it was good while it lasted, buddy.
pour one out
The 10s duration was the only possible redeeming modification they made. It would've allowed builds to NOT be forced into attack speed... But looks like they mucked it up...
I think so. Thanks for making it to the end haha you are first person who comment on it :D
Did I just heard cheesecake factory ? Damn I didn't know it actually existed
lol of course it exists
Neuro Poison
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So how does this affect Aracha? She deals spider toxin (m.dmg) and poison (true dmg). Is she going to stack her magic damage now? Are they changing her poison to neurotoxin?
Seems like an unnecessary decision all round.
she now will deal spider toxian and poison, both magic damage based off her attack
@@fastidious_gg hmm...so nerf or buff.. Any chance you could test that?
@@DirtyRoomKnivesprobably a nerf considering poison does true dmg and a bunch of mobs have magic res
@@RokanRulerofKaos so they're indirectly nerfing a lord. Moonton bringing the pain on the regular
@@DirtyRoomKnives yup all in favor of probably a new Lego who does the “old” true dmg poison. Aracha should’ve gotten the neurotoxin treatment at the least for being a lord
Did you have the chance to take a look at what Nisalt is like after these changes? Adjusting DoTs this much really throws a guy based on DoTs like him into complete limbo.
his poison barely exists. he quickly mixes it with burn to make toxic fire
lets hope they rethink this. It looks pretty bad. ill just use another burner for codex maybe if this does not work out or everybody will make liam lvl 60 for codex lol. Great video as always.
Yea I think they needa revisit this one
Liam was my first level 60 lol. Little dude carried me in story mode and got his reward.
@@kevinmalone4341 lots of people had to use him for GR3 19-21
fortunately Liam is still good to go
@@kevinmalone4341
They can probably run people’s auto runs with nerfs to debug if they break people’s farms.
I think the non communcation & that the poison name changed is strategic. Despite the good things they do,, they still are a gotcha company,... they'd prefer people to think spending is there only option.
But of course it's great that they do give a damn about the play aspect of there game for everyone.
They do this for the back and forth for the numbers bad or good publicity is never bad so.This is why they do this shit.Well done WOR making one hero a epic hero poisner that cant be and want be used by anyone not early or late this gear would be better used on Wrath or Brianna
Hadn't thought of this. Interesting....
@FastidiousYT
I even mentioned it to them in a report about some of the things they are doing and it was the first time they blow me off with no real answer 😒
This is just a hot mess right now. Their PR rep for Global needs a good discussion going with a bit of other teams on what's going on.
Completely agree
This Liam guys sounds extremely dangerous. Who gave him alone access to these neurotoxins??
he is a freak. diabolic
Is the game going at x2 speed? Wouldn't that make the 5 seconds correct?
It was on 1x
So now what? We will need to use Liam instead of cutter in AMR cause of his neurotoxin? Will it be even consistant enough to work?
AMR Liam will not be worth it. But GR3 Liam will still be as viable as he was before.
Ok so i think i need to push my AMR asap@@fastidious_gg
esme base atk is very low maybe something like around 3k to 3.5k would be better
agreed
@@fastidious_gg ya i think maul is the highest epic base atk at around 4k
No it is Estrid. 5162@@Bleachguy2023
@@fastidious_gg im on about marksman
It was me, the viewer.😂
bhahahaha really?
Something about a non-American saying y'all was really cool.
Thanks but I am very much American haha. Where do you think I was from?
It doesnt seem like the poison on cerberus exclusive artifact changed
How would you know? Change is not live yet in game. I can check tho next time I am on test server
@@fastidious_gg I actually forgot you were on the test server oops
@@fastidious_gg could you please. I'd like to know
Confirmed that poison on Cerberus's artifact has also changed. However, given Cerberus's very high base attack, this likely will result in an improvement for him.
Lunacy Visor will still remain his best in slot for a lot of content tho
what about arachas poision
changed.
@@fastidious_gg she is not on the list of poison nerfs
@@Bleachguy2023 poison is nerfed. Additionally the heroes cutter cute and skewed are having their basic attacks nerfed. Only Liam out of all poison hacer is getting to keep the old poison which is now called neurotoxin
Curious, will Aracha now do the bad poison, or will she get neurotoxin?
Technically on Aracha, the bad poison is better than regular poison, since she has the stats to use the new poison, but yeah, Idk
@@jamestdfm problem is 5% of 20000 attack is only 1000 damage... that's nothing.
@jamiebrinks1490 if it says the NEW poison stacks up 10x, does it mean up to 10 seconds, up to 50% m. dmg, or both?
Venoma should get neurotoxin ..sounds about right
sounds very right but they wont.
Thanks for a video)
You are welcome as always :D
Made it to the end
Well, they definitely destroyed poison lol. Guess only thing left to do is to wait to see what else comes with it. Still doesn't seem useful though even with higher attack.
important to know this change IS NOT LIVE. If we complain here and on discord, I know explicitly that they are open to feedback and revisiting the change.
I think for all the F2P players, this is a very important thing to fight against. I don't need poison, but this is not good for the health of the game if other people can't find alternatives to beating harder content.
@@fastidious_gg
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He's awesome
Kinda sucks I am discovering the poison thing so late in the game and now it gets nerfed 😛
not getting nerfed on this patch. u should have at least 4 weeks
@@fastidious_gg hope they do bring back, before the patch, that poison boss. Kinda skipped it last times.
Is it just me or does that poison not last 10 seconds?
Okay, just got to the end, lol
;) we should all report it if it goes live like this
I still have an issue with this patch because this nerfs a bunch of heroes who didn’t need a nerf. Makes no sense
This change is not on this patch.
Liam is actually required to clear the stage you are given him in the campaign. They didn't want to make the level a guaranteed fail 😉
Also, poison probably wasnt even breaking the defence on the amr boss, it actually matters with now.
yes of course. just showcasing how drastically it changed and illustrate the scaling now comes "from within!"
@@fastidious_gg yeah but I doubt it will break defence cap against bosses with the commons, cuke has a chance, but the important ones are all around 9-10k
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