Simon Cowell insults on world idol
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2024
- Peter Evrard defends himself against Cowell's insult, that rock doesn't belong in idol-competition. A long and strong discussion, in which Peter (who did an excellent Kurt Cobain-performance) is defended at the end by the (funny) Polish jury.
I love how classy this guy stays about it. What a respect for this man.
he's from belgium ofcourse he stay classy
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Peter was intelligent and articulate, while Simon just seemed to be picking a fight just because he can.
when i see how peter defends his statement and opinion against Simon i'm proud to be Belgian. It takes guts to do that! respect
It takes guts to not knock simon out.
Simon: "I want pop musoc because Rock doesnt sell as big anymore."
Thats what he meant.
Yeah...Simon lost that argument haha
It was all reverse psychology. Peter gave the desired response.
They are both correct. Kurt Cobain wouldn't be caught dead on this show. However, if your trying to get your name out there, this is a good platform to do it.
He hated being a popular MTV band.. It makes me wonder if that contributed to his death.
@@Elong. And yet Kurt Cobain and his band still knew that the smart thing to do was show up when MTV rings. Just like this guy did when it comes to World Idol.
Well curt cobain also died at 27 so what does he know
@@MrDagrennot the same. MTV rang them, not other way round
@@jk4675 That's exactly what he said. That they would show up when MTV rings. You're just repeating what he said. Why are you confused by this? Reading comprehension not your strong suit?
lol Poland standing up "YOURE BLODDY GOOD MAN!"
Judge from Britain: SHUT UP!
Remember this was 2003, the Idol franchise was only about 2 years old at this point. At that time Idol was it, there were no other singing shows to compete with and the show was mostly looked at as 'the search for the next big pop star'. 'Quirky' wasn't a thing yet, AI contestants wouldn't even be allowed to play instruments until S7 (2008), and by then the audience/show were starting to embrace other genres like rock, jazz, folk, etc.
Despite World Idol being an absolute mess in execution, we at least got some good performances out of it. But Pete Waterman was full of it, most of those judges were clearly playing a role that night. In the early years, one of the main reasons people watched the show was to see what the 'mean' judge had to say after every performance. They picked the critical 'Simon' judges of each version and brought them together so they could try and outdo each other for one night. Diana Karazon was the only winner to sing her own song and got, imo, one of the best compliments from Simon. He was blunt by saying he didn't think she'd win but he then said she stopped the show from becoming a worldwide karaoke contest and thanked her for that. If only the show was about the music of these winners instead of having them basically compete in a bonus round after winning their season.
i know this is old but simon recently mentored a 'rocker' on the way to winning the x- factor,who's the sell out now? I dont think simon expected such an articulate,intelligent and valid argument from a guy in his second language. In Simons mind a real rocker would have just fu##ed him up,ha ha
Simon wanted that response. The idol format was relatively new and the audience expected pop singers. So when a rock singer appears on the show a few eyebrows are raised. Keep in mind this was 2003. Since then these shows have spawned many rock singers across the world.
A rock and roller makes it from playing in clubs, having a huge following, getting a contract and having a kick a$$ band.
But that was 2003 and just a few standout rockers made hits. It was mostly rock-pop/indie kinda stuff. It was all about POP Music. U should‘ve seen Simon on AI Season 1 and some rock performances of Nikki McKibben. He was quiet harsh but later on during Top 4 he was even impressed that she found some right songs for herself. He is a selling machine and he was right to go for Pop in 2002/04
But American Idol has had a wave of Rock singers years afterwards...
True but in early 2000's it weren't acceptable in a competition.
wow...WOW this guy OWNED THEM ALL.... intelligent answers.. kept his cool... respect
I just love Belgium - soon as I can afford it Im back on a plane to the Delerium bar!
Dude, u from Melle?
He sounded so good, I wish I could see the whole performance. They were so RUDE to shoot him down like that.
Music is all about sharing your talents with the world. You can't create music in a locked down room all on your own without anyone around.
A good musician could perform anywhere. If the consept is not right, the performer is not the one to blame, but the ones who made the concept in the first place. Blame yourself Cowell!
Simon was right that the rock community doesn't want people like him on pop tv shows. But he was wrong in saying it was stupid for him to go on world idol. Peter obviously loves music, and feels like its impossible to make it big in rock due to the music industry, he took the only chance he had.
they weren't there to judge his personality or if he was a fraud or not , they are there to judge singing ability
Kudos to Peter fot standing up
So in order to win the contest his best option was to not compete.
Logic's not your strong side, is it Simon.
My issue is that, while Simon is right for saying that Nirvana doesn't belong on Idol and it's against Kurt Cobain's beliefs, what gives him the right to say that. This is coming from a guy who sold every speck of musical credibility to make money. It just makes Simon a huge hypocrite. A right hypocrite in this case, but a hypocrite nonetheless. He wants to prevent Nirvana from coming on the show? Stop making these garbage shows. There's gonna be somebody who likes Nirvana and sees the show as a way to show off his voice in his best way, while in his opinion, paying homage to one of his "idols".
This clip was recorded in 2003.
Let's not forget the rock singers American idol have spawned since then:
Adam Lambert, David Cook, Chris Daughtry, Bo Bice, Lee DeWyze, Crystal Bowersox etc
Simon was just using reverse psychology.
jonnbag06 I wouldn't say that. None of those guys really embrace the anti-establishment, anti-music industry belief that Kurt stood for. Kurt wouldn't be caught dead on Idol.
Simon was using reverse psychology so Peter Evrard (the singer) could give the appropriate response.
kurk would probably be extremely happy he's blessed with the same voice
kurk kokain
I like this guy. He seems respectful and has talent, but Simon has a point. As a die hard nirvana fan since I was a kid, I can say he should've picked a different song.
The performance wasn't bad; It was AWESOME!! Simon is too used to bubbly pop stars with perfect voices, and can't appreicate a raw, live performance by an artist who doesn't use Auto-tune. All due respect to Mr. Cowell, but it's people like him who make it harder for us aspiring musicians to reach the top, because of the mainstream crap he promotes.
question
what does simon cowell know about the "rock and roll attitude?"
i think peter won the argument, he seemed smart :)
when i hear this i'm proud to say i'm from belgium!!! go peter go!!!
I like this Peter guy. Great talent & very well spoken.
People should know, arguing with the judges is the worst a contestant can do
Kudos to Peter for debating so eloquently in a language that isn't his first - I'm fairly fluent in French, but I don't think I could manage a heated situation as well as he did. Simon Cowell was vile throughout this show and running the contestants down to set Kelly Clarkson up for a win. His comments towards Kurt Nilson were completely unacceptable (the Aussie judge was blunt too, but I could see where he was coming from in that some of Kurt's appeal is in that he ISN'T conventionally attractive). Kurt got the last laugh in the end, I remember watching this at the time and I think Kurt beating Kelly is why Simon Cowell never made another World Idol 😄
A "pop" talent show just means a Popular Talent Show with a mainstream/family audience, there's gonna be room for Rock singers too.
and btw: no one KNOWS FOR SURE how Kurt Cobain would have reacted to something like this. I can easily imagine Cobain actually seeing this as a "take the money and run" approach (like bands such as The Sex Pistols did in the 70s) - get as much money out of that horrible industry as you can.
How dare Simon Cowell say that kurt was ugly.. beauty is in the eye of the beholder. He wants to get a grip of himself. He doesn't know what is coming his way. Karma
who can say Simon is most right in the end?
no one can, cuz Peter is!
Trying to win a discussion in your own language is absolutely low and pathetic.
@MunisAwesome Finally, like I said, rock and roll epitomises freedom, among various other things. If it is his will to sing a rock song in a commercialized competition, you may call it conformity but I think he just representing what the genre is all about - doing whatever the hell you want, wherever and whenever.
Agree, people always should have the right to defend themselves from those who criticize them.
My earlier comment was about those who said that Simon Cowell was out of line, as in those who say so in comments here, not about Peter (the singer in the clip) should not be allowed to defend himself
I thought it was Simons`s job to judge his performance, not to judge whether or not what he`s doing is being true to his roots or not.
You're right in the sense that I respect your opinion. Everyone is entitled to theirs. I do want to hear Simon's comments, his professional opinion about someone's musical ability or lack of. Everything else feels like cheap personal attacks, to me. That's where I'm coming from. Peace!
Simon is right. Rock stars got famous before without Idol they can fucking do it again! ROCK N' ROLL FOREVER!
Allright :)
Op zo'n momenten ben ik zo trots dat ik Belgisch ben! ;)
i couldnt understand what he said but by the sound of the cheers he defended himself spot on
The two British judges are just being grumpy old men.
This is not just a Pop contest. You can sing every kind of music and style there. The job of the singer is to sing and show his talent. The job of the judge is to see if the singer has a good voice, a good singing ability etc. It is not a valid point to imagine what Kurt Cobain would do if he see Peter. He is dead. How you could say Kurt would not like Peter for confronting this dirty music industry? This is not fair. I personally think Kurt would be proud of you Peter (:. You have talent.
No, I am actually good at math. I was hypothetically speaking. Tell me? Did he have to say "You are completely and utterly useless?" Did he have to say it like that to get the point that this man has no chance of ever becoming a singer/dancer? He could have said something like "That audition was unappealing, I am sorry but I think you should try something else, as singing/dancing is something you do not excel in."
See gets the point across, and says something positive.
I just looked it up, and I still have Peter's performance. I will upload it ASAP, and let you know, when it's online. I think that should be possible on Sunday. In the meantime, lots of UA-cam-fun !
Not insults, just crude criticism, which is better than someone telling you "you are doing that fine" and no help you in any way until when is too late and tells you "you should've know better"
simon has a completely wrong idea of what selling out is, i agree with peter that he tries to be recognized and as he is in the rock scene, where someone selling out is the fear of everyone, he knows more about it than simon will ever know about music in general.
YOU'RE BLOODY GOOD MAN! YOU'RE BLOODY GOOD!
I really like this performance. And he got third place
he is, he lives in the same small village as me :D
Peter Evrard
i guess he meant that the performance he gave was not a WOW factor to be on that stage
"No but without a show like this, who's gonna listen to a boy from Belgium?" Hahaha, auwchhhhh
Lol@the polish guy at 2.25!
there's a world idol?
They only did one season. Norway won, no thanks to Simon's hobbit remark.
+ladythalia more like only 2 episodes
It wasn't Simon who said that. He actually said "ugly" to Kurt Nilsen. :D
@@ladythalia how I wish world idol would be relaunched
@@Mudsville1not a chance
Simon is right, all the rock fans out there would never take this guy seriously after singing like that on a stage like that with a cliché attitude like that.
I def see what Simon was saying about rock n roll and conforming but i thnk he took it too far
This guy recently started making music again,he's in a band called TenRogue! Go them out!!!
Cowell got ripped to shreds. Well done rocker dude
At one point the contestant said Simon were right when mentioned a rocker being a fraud on a show like this hmmm 🤔
I agree with Simon Cowell on that Peter Evrard is selling out doing a show like this, but it's not up to him to judge him about that, what does that got to do with the singing contest. He should judge on vocal abilities.
I like how Pete Waterman is trying to voice his opinion on music.
Source: 2010 British Eurovision Song Contest entry
He destroyed them and their mainstream pop agenda. And the cheery on top of the cake was Kurt Nilsen winning. Both amazing voices.
Well on a second thought Simon is not that wrong. Rock/Metal elitists are the worst when it comes to gate keeping and hating other musical styles or more popular music.
the first time he spoke some sense
If they don't want rock songs on their contest, why would they allow them in the first place. All that Simon guy did was saying "we never should have selected you in the first place".
@nforcer2
he isn't being rude or ignorant or anything.......
he's honest and whats what the world needs.... there is WAY to many people who are on tv who just lie and be nice to look good. he doesn't care if he looks the bad guy he's being HONEST.
That comment was so pointless, and simon's comment was before Chris Daughtry sold millions... he now understands!
Why are people arguing with something that Simon said almost a decade ago? Simon was there when Bo Bice came in second place in American Idol Season 4, and when David Cook won in Season 7. He's clearly changed his mind since this moment.
yes Kurt is still fresh in the memory :)
Simon was just using reverse psychology and challenging old-skool beliefs of "selling-out" and being "rock n roll" to provoke a reaction from Peter Evrard.
And Peter defended himself like a gent, he made his point. =)
At the time, Simon was judging both American Idol and Pop Idol (the now defunct British version). As Simon was the most influential judge on AI, it made sense for him to appear on the show representing America, while Pete Waterman stood in for the United Kingdom.
I would agree with the rocker for the most part. But Simon is right when he said "you sold youself cheap" The show dosn't pay anything to the contestants but pays hugely to the judges and producers of course EVERYONE else gets paid soda pop sellers, dancers, lighting people, camera people, ushers, cleaners and the people who put together these shows own you and your performance for zero.
OH, Lucy. So anyone can be a judge then, OK now i know.
that would be the polish judge.. haha
The song is Lithium by Nirvana.
He won the belgian idol show.
Imho he shouldn't have won that year, there were just too many people voting against the other finalist (Natalia Druyts) because they hated her for being so good and seeing the other contestants being voted out because of her talent.
Anyway, it was a weird final ... just look up some songs of Natalia Druyts and see for yourself.
That Polish guy at the back is really funny
Meanwhile, he ended 3rd, the winner sang a U2 song and the 4rd place was an Aeromith song...
@CrackinCrew Whether you like it or not, Idol is a COMMERCIAL show. Whether you like it or not, Idol is a pop show. Whether you like it or not, Playing a grunge or punk rock song on a show that supports everything punk rock and grunge song is against is usually a sign of conforming.
I'm on the fence on this one. On one hand I hate music being turned into competition and business but as the guy said, it's one way of breaking through.
American Idol should be called the Cirque of Caligula AKA Simon Cowell
go peter, you fucking rock
Simon is absolutely right.
This guy is a great performer, and Simon does not say he wasn't good, but he said it as it is, at least for me.
I am a big fan of that genre, Nirvana is one of my favourit bands of all time, but I would think of that guy as a sell out for getting famous that way and wouldn't want to buy his stuff, which is excatly what Simon is commenting on.
People who don't see that, are just blinded by him being good, and not listening to what is actually being said
trying to complete the last sentence I wrote, when he says they are completely useless he is not saying that as human beings they are completely useless, he is saying that as singers they are, and if you appreciate your ears, you must admit a lot of people can turn the best song into a nightmare when trying to sing it (including me in case you wanted to know)
Simon is a person who likes himself most. Therefore he find it necessary to criticize people who arent the same as he is. Such a person is called a narcissist.
Saying Peter Evrard would have stayed true to his roots by not competing is the same as saying Nirvana should have refused to do MTV unplugged because it's not true to their roots.
Time for Cowell to retire!!
to fill you in: Peter (who knows everything better than anyone else) made a few cd's with "his" music - a mixture of rock and alternative something, can't describe it.. haven't heard from him for a long while now - maybe he has some followers but he can't convince the big crowd
"shut up" oh god that made me laugh so hard xD
That wasn't even funny
the part that he was on American Idol confused me, maybe.. still don't judge a book by its cover
The thing is.....no one is utterly useless in the world. He could have said something like "I am sorry, but I did not enjoy your preformance".
And in this video I will admit he was giving some constructive criticism, but in no way is telling someone there are utterly useless, in any way you look at it, constructive criticism.
So this is why we never heard of him again.
Thing is, anyone with real talent would avoid idol shows because of their nature. 'Idol' shows aren't about giving a voice to great undiscovered artists, they're about generating income. Unless Simon is willing to say to a contestant ''Yes! you will make X-amount of money for me, the show, and you're auditions is great for our ratings!! congratz to you!!!'', he is being an utter hypocrite in saying that this guy is being a conformist.
@CrackinCrew Simon was arguing the point that this would be everything grunge and kurt would be against.Which is true, Whether the contestant's intention was to sell on a popular show that has nothing to do with the whole point of grunge or not.
Simon is right though, grunge wasn't about going on pop singing competitions.
My god, Simon, believe me, he isn't a hero in his own country by far.
i think the rock community would love it because they would look at it like..."finaly something good on this pop show" i look at this show as any style of music goes its just the they would get more votes for people singning their favourite song which is mostly pop music.
Arrrrgh! Simon was saying if you have a 'true' talent then you need to work hard to get your goal. Bands like Nirvana, The Stones, Queen (my taste but pick your own) make their way because they've spent years perfecting their talents, not because somebody like Cowel has hand picked you, spent money promoting you and training you. Go and look at interviews for bands like Queen, they spent years sorting themselves to get to the band they came out to be, not the 30 second 'stars' X factor produces!
LOL loving kuba and heas sense of humor (lol your bloody good man) hehe :)
I would usually agree with Simon Cowell but this time, he's definitely biased. When Chris Daughtry and David Cook (both rockers) came on American Idol, they were huge leaders the competitions and even the judges loved them. So I don't get why Simon's saying that "rock" doesn't belong to this show.
The comments against Simon on this page officially win an internetz.