The sign is out of the paint shop, and boy is it ever BEAUTIFUL. As soon as they get it installed and lit up, we are going to put together a follow-up up video. Keep an eye out for that one. Thanks for hanging out with us.
Good eye. Was a shop guy for about 18 years. I've been self-employed for about 26 years. Which means I do it all now. Estimate, fab, and install. Thanks for hanging out with us.
Please keep making more vids. We need to record and document hand skills and trades that are either going extinct or dying out. Youre a very skilled guy and thank you for showing your trade👍👍
I see the shortage of skilled applicants daily. Our educational emphasis shifted some time ago and now it's presenting itself with alarming results. I'm going to do what I can and if you do the same we can bless others. Thanks for watching.
Done a hell of a lot of metal work and spent many hours with a pair of ships in my hand. Never thought to manage the curl of the metal when cutting. This alone is worth the subscription. Keep up the good work.
I caĺl it the 85/15 rule. 85%energy to shear,15%energy to spread. I'm glad you got value from our lesson. Hang out and let me know what you get next. Thanks
I never realized how big that sign is until you were standing next to it. Also there is so much detail as well. I can’t wait to see that building after it’s remodeled. The restored sign next to the retro state theater sign is going to look amazing. Thank you for helping restore a little piece of our town history Ken!
This is a great video lighting worked well, audio a little rough, but the working in the shadow (on the north side of the building) was good. good work videographer. Ken's humor shows well.
Interesting to note, Ken, most of your comments are from those of us in our 60's! Unfortunately, a younger audience should be the target? I for one would sure love to see more of that awesome 56 Chevy!
I'm open for suggestions. The dream would be to gain the interest of youngsters and show them how to solve problems , build a sense of accomplishment, and learn a marketable skill that will always be in demand. I'm doing what I can to show how creativity can be rewarding. . We are leaving in the morning for a 500 mile drive to race at the In N Out race in Los Angeles. We are gonna take the camera along.
After retiring from 2 different careers, I did an apprenticeship in metal shaping and set up my hobby machine shop in my final retirement. Although I work in 18 -16 gage cold rolled steel sheet metal and use shaping tools, I learned a lot of useful tricks and tips from your videos. Thanks and please keep it up.
I dig Ron covel. I used to work near Marcel delay in so cal. He and his two sons mark and luc did unbelievable things in 18 ga.cold rolled. Thanks for watching our stuff.
I'm glad I discovered your channel. Your last one and this one has been very informative. I haven't worked with SM since high school 50+ years ago. Watching your videos makes me want to work with it again. Excellent job passing on your knowledge. Could your show/explain your scribe. That looks like a high quality tool. With enough details, I may make one for myself if that brand isn't available any longer. Al
I'm glad you stopped by our channel. I gave a list of tools in the "grab bag of tools" lesson. Part #s and all. It's a great tool.the one in the lesson is over 40 yrs. Old. I also gave instructions on how to make a simpler version. Thanks for watching I appreciate your time.
I’m a self taught blacksmith but I’m really enjoying your lessons ken, so much so I’m going to try some myself with my dads old soldering irons (copper block on a handle) using my gas forge as a heat source.
I recently diy rust repair on my 06 cad. It's not that new but first for me, using panel bonding adheasive; automotive. The original brand and one by 3m. Comes in double formed tube. One side twice the size as the other. Testing showed the metal will tare instead of adheasive giving up. Very good! 90 minute working time. The one I bought. Once you find a way to hold the piece in place until the bond is set up you won't need screws. If you do just take then out and fill with more adheasive. Very Good! Mike
@mikediamond1522 the sign is off to the paint/ body shop. They couldn't say enough about that product. They are going to use it on the sign in several places. Even on the letters we repaired. Thanks
Love your channel name and watching the work you do. I used to do HVAC, Ducts, commercial kitchen hood installs (certified food grade stainless steel welding) & commercial kitchen equipment repair. My nick name is TheTimMan, a spin on the tin man. I was also a corporate maintenance tech for 21 Ryan's Family Steak Houses. I never repaired letters because I had a dedicated guy for that and neon. There is small chance that there could be a makers name plate somewhere inside the sign with a date. Maybe just a date on one of the ballasts.
Judging by the access doors leading to the neon components the electrical conversion was not performed by the craftsman who created the sign. Rough stuff. I'm glad you enjoy our channel TimMan. Thanks
In 50 years of HVAC-S/M I* never saw the aluminum plate trick. Great tip! The other reason to get rid of the water , it can POP and give you a faceful of hot solder! Are you going to add weeps to your new work? Where is your sal ammomiac block and dip pot?
I have a question about using galvanised/zinc plated steel sheets. When you are cutting/shaping a piece of steel, you are breaking layer of coating on the edges of material. Why it is not required to restore/ recoat/seal the final product to prevent rust? BTW why don't use for example baking soda water solution to neutralise acid when soldering? Water just reduces the acid concentration when soda neutralises.
Good questions. We only made minor repairs of the corroded letters. The sign is off to a paint shop for final rust prevention and a finish coat of paint. We will show the finished product when they re install it. Thank you for your thoughtful comments.
@@kengodfrey1956 Thank you for your reply, Ken. My questions are actually more general about sheet metal techniques, not about the sign restoration. For example if I make a water tank or even a tool tray ;) it may start to rust from the edges? It will be at least aesthetically not good, also can help to spread corrosion.
Check out our lesson about deconstruction. I made the briefcase and the bins over 40 years ago and they show no signs of rust. You need a source of moisture to really grow a good patch of rust. You can apply cold galvanized in an aerosol can, paint, or an occasional rub with oil to stave off the onset of corrosion. Which is what rust is. If your project is subject to continuous submersion you will be wise to employ stainless as your material. Type 304 is most common. Type 316 is best when exposure to salt water cannot be avoided .
Don't ever burn (or melt) galvanized material. It off gasses a toxic cloud. Soldering is a surface adhesion process that stays several hundred degrees below the melting point of the zinc coating. Which is what "galvanized "is made mostly of. The galvanized coating is slippery and non porous. That's what makes it work so well . The acid, etches the surface and allows the solder to grip it. Let me know if you have any further questions. Thanks for watching
26 ga.galvanized . I like the offset snips. Midwest, craftsman, wiss. If you're right handed get the reds, left handed get the greens. If you got the money get both.
It's a prestolite attachment. It uses ambient air and acetylene. I haven't used an old school iron since I found this rig. I'd look online. The welding supply may never have heard of it. Go for it.
In 1742, French chemist Paul Jacques Malouin described a method of coating iron by dipping it in molten zinc in a presentation to the French Royal Academy. In 1772, Luigi Galvani (Italy), for whom galvanizing was named, discovered the electrochemical process that takes place between metals during an experiment with frog legs. In 1801, Alessandro Volta furthered the research on galvanizing when he discovered the electro-potential between two metals, creating a corrosion cell. In 1836, French chemist Stanislas Sorel obtained a patent for a method of coating iron with zinc, after first cleaning it with 9% sulfuric acid (H2SO4) and fluxing it with ammonium chloride (NH4Cl).
I agree that acid will certainly corrode the metal. But even in your own words you said the letters wouldn’t be rotted out if it wasn’t for the water sitting in the letters. Yet the old timers certainly used acid to solder the letters back 110 years ago. What makes it different today??
We fabricated the replacement letters using the exact techniques as the original craftsmen. The original letters were then silver soldered to the substrate. No acid is required. The sign must be oriented horizontally to perform said attachment. We didn't have the proper lifting equipment to perform that requirement. The fact that you would state such an inquiry is very pleasing to me. It shows thought and process. Two things I'm very fond of. Thanks for your time. I'm glad you found us.
You are inspirational, I appreciate your videos. May I suggest you look into using a wireless microphone that clips on your shirt? I don't mean to sound demanding, i am only trying to help. Your voice levels vary throughout the video and there is a fair amount of background noise. These things make it difficult to hear parts of the video for me. Anyway thank you for sharing your skills knowledge and experience
Thanks for your input. We found a mic that was perfect for our application. I think we have used it on our last two lessons. Check it out and let me know what you think. Thanks for learning along with us
Editing suggestion: At the beginning of the video, show the sign and its condition, explain what you will do, then show the construction of the repairs. There was only a 1/2 second glimpse of the sign before you started showing repairs, and I skipped ahead to the end to see what you were working on so I'd understand what you were doing.
The sign is at the paint shop, where it will be sanded and etched before primer and top coat. Paint will sometimes fisheye on pencil lead. I like your attention to detail though. Thanks for watching
Please have the cameraman get closer than 15 feet away! Mostly all of the precise things you're doing isn't on film cause the camera is too far away. It would be nice to see you actually doing this soldering, up close. Also, no flux is needed for this? I guess the muriatic acid is acting as the flux too? . Thanx for taking the time to put vids out, you're a natural teacher! 👍🛠️🔧🔩📐📏🔨🔧✏️🗜️👌💪
The galvanizing is zinc, effectively the material is pre tinned. The acid removes oxidation from the surface. With heat the solder will readily adhere and merge with the zinc coating.
We couldn't have an exposed fastener. The polyurethane cures and stays flexible for nearly 50 years. It is concealed from the sun which allows it to expand and contract in varying weather conditions without losing adhesion.
I´m a blank at any metal soldering and brazing outside copper electro wiring with bolt and fluxed tin. Keep em coming, the more the merrier !
The sign is out of the paint shop, and boy is it ever BEAUTIFUL. As soon as they get it installed and lit up, we are going to put together a follow-up up video. Keep an eye out for that one. Thanks for hanging out with us.
I can always tell a "shop guy" when i see a body hammer instead of a duct hammer. Great video sir!
Good eye. Was a shop guy for about 18 years. I've been self-employed for about 26 years. Which means I do it all now. Estimate, fab, and install. Thanks for hanging out with us.
Please keep making more vids. We need to record and document hand skills and trades that are either going extinct or dying out. Youre a very skilled guy and thank you for showing your trade👍👍
I see the shortage of skilled applicants daily. Our educational emphasis shifted some time ago and now it's presenting itself with alarming results. I'm going to do what I can and if you do the same we can bless others. Thanks for watching.
Good video . I'm still in the sign business fabricating and running up ladders almost 40 years now . Cheerz .
Cheers right back at you. This trade is great cardio. This is my 44th year at it. Thanks for watching. Let's go as long as we can !
Done a hell of a lot of metal work and spent many hours with a pair of ships in my hand. Never thought to manage the curl of the metal when cutting. This alone is worth the subscription.
Keep up the good work.
I caĺl it the 85/15 rule. 85%energy to shear,15%energy to spread. I'm glad you got value from our lesson. Hang out and let me know what you get next. Thanks
Really cool videos! Makes me want to try metal working
- a 63 yr old grandma 😊
Looks like new great job restoring our old city one piece at a time
Thanks George. I'm glad I got to do it. Thanks for watching.
I worked for a short time in a sign shop while laid off from construction, I really enjoyed it as I did lots of different tasks.
I never realized how big that sign is until you were standing next to it. Also there is so much detail as well. I can’t wait to see that building after it’s remodeled. The restored sign next to the retro state theater sign is going to look amazing. Thank you for helping restore a little piece of our town history Ken!
I considered it an honor. I still let Brian pay me though. 😆 thanks for checking us out. See ya.
Reminds me of the time I spent in the sign business. Good job sir.
This is a great video lighting worked well, audio a little rough, but the working in the shadow (on the north side of the building) was good. good work videographer. Ken's humor shows well.
Interesting to note, Ken, most of your comments are from those of us in our 60's! Unfortunately, a younger audience should be the target? I for one would sure love to see more of that awesome 56 Chevy!
I'm open for suggestions. The dream would be to gain the interest of youngsters and show them how to solve problems , build a sense of accomplishment, and learn a marketable skill that will always be in demand. I'm doing what I can to show how creativity can be rewarding. . We are leaving in the morning for a 500 mile drive to race at the In N Out race in Los Angeles. We are gonna take the camera along.
@@kengodfrey1956 Sounds awesome!
My dad retired from sheet metal local 21 in Louisiana. Brings back a lot of memories.
I'm glad you enjoyed our lesson. Thanks for spending time with us.
I really enjoy your teaching techniques Ken, i am about to retire in a few months and you have given me a lot of ideas to play with, thanks.
Now we're talking. It's fun to think about striking out on a new adventure. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for sharing I really enjoyed watching the full process. I appreciate you showing the work on the actual sign as well!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for hanging out with us.
I watch your videos and wonder when Mr. Green Jeans and Mr. Moose are going to show up.
Working on my spinning plates on wooden dowels act as we speak. I shoulda left a couple in the cupboard. Looks like paper plates are back in. Yikes.
Enjoyed…great lesson!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great channel Ken, I don't have much fun but it will be handy to know how to do it properly when I need to thanks to your tutorials :)
I'm glad to share what I have learned. Thanks for hanging out with us
After retiring from 2 different careers, I did an apprenticeship in metal shaping and set up my hobby machine shop in my final retirement. Although I work in 18 -16 gage cold rolled steel sheet metal and use shaping tools, I learned a lot of useful tricks and tips from your videos. Thanks and please keep it up.
I dig Ron covel. I used to work near Marcel delay in so cal. He and his two sons mark and luc did unbelievable things in 18 ga.cold rolled. Thanks for watching our stuff.
I did my apprenticeship with Fay Butler. Marcel does some very beautiful work. @@kengodfrey1956
I appreciate this one. Very interesting.
You are welcome. Thanks
I'm glad I discovered your channel. Your last one and this one has been very informative. I haven't worked with SM since high school 50+ years ago. Watching your videos makes me want to work with it again. Excellent job passing on your knowledge. Could your show/explain your scribe. That looks like a high quality tool. With enough details, I may make one for myself if that brand isn't available any longer.
Al
I'm glad you stopped by our channel. I gave a list of tools in the "grab bag of tools" lesson. Part #s and all. It's a great tool.the one in the lesson is over 40 yrs. Old. I also gave instructions on how to make a simpler version. Thanks for watching I appreciate your time.
Zy
I’m a self taught blacksmith but I’m really enjoying your lessons ken, so much so I’m going to try some myself with my dads old soldering irons (copper block on a handle) using my gas forge as a heat source.
That's awesome. Send me a photo of your project. My 40 year old son is a sheet metal worker, welder and blacksmith. I love all things creative.
Careful with the forge gas there feather. you'll melt that old copper if you use a normal gas pressure. good luck
I recently diy rust repair on my 06 cad. It's not that new but first for me, using panel bonding adheasive; automotive. The original brand and one by 3m. Comes in double formed tube. One side twice the size as the other. Testing showed the metal will tare instead of adheasive giving up. Very good! 90 minute working time. The one I bought.
Once you find a way to hold the piece in place until the bond is set up you won't need screws. If you do just take then out and fill with more adheasive.
Very Good!
Mike
@mikediamond1522 the sign is off to the paint/ body shop. They couldn't say enough about that product. They are going to use it on the sign in several places. Even on the letters we repaired. Thanks
Love your channel name and watching the work you do. I used to do HVAC, Ducts, commercial kitchen hood installs (certified food grade stainless steel welding) & commercial kitchen equipment repair. My nick name is TheTimMan, a spin on the tin man. I was also a corporate maintenance tech for 21 Ryan's Family Steak Houses. I never repaired letters because I had a dedicated guy for that and neon. There is small chance that there could be a makers name plate somewhere inside the sign with a date. Maybe just a date on one of the ballasts.
Judging by the access doors leading to the neon components the electrical conversion was not performed by the craftsman who created the sign. Rough stuff. I'm glad you enjoy our channel TimMan. Thanks
In 50 years of HVAC-S/M I* never saw the aluminum plate trick. Great tip! The other reason to get rid of the water , it can POP and give you a faceful of hot solder! Are you going to add weeps to your new work? Where is your sal ammomiac block and dip pot?
Good questions. You aint no rookie. Block o Sal is put away real good. Dip pot too . Yes on the weep holes. Thanks for checking in.
I used to make a lot of gemstone bezel cups which is a very similar process. Nicely presented dude!
Thanks for checking us out. I'm glad you enjoyed the lesson.
Use should get a wireless Mic, this would put the finish on your excellent videos Ken. Thank You
There is a Paris in Arkansas too
I have a question about using galvanised/zinc plated steel sheets. When you are cutting/shaping a piece of steel, you are breaking layer of coating on the edges of material.
Why it is not required to restore/ recoat/seal the final product to prevent rust?
BTW why don't use for example baking soda water solution to neutralise acid when soldering? Water just reduces the acid concentration when soda neutralises.
Good questions. We only made minor repairs of the corroded letters. The sign is off to a paint shop for final rust prevention and a finish coat of paint. We will show the finished product when they re install it. Thank you for your thoughtful comments.
@@kengodfrey1956 Thank you for your reply, Ken.
My questions are actually more general about sheet metal techniques, not about the sign restoration. For example if I make a water tank or even a tool tray ;) it may start to rust from the edges? It will be at least aesthetically not good, also can help to spread corrosion.
Check out our lesson about deconstruction. I made the briefcase and the bins over 40 years ago and they show no signs of rust. You need a source of moisture to really grow a good patch of rust. You can apply cold galvanized in an aerosol can, paint, or an occasional rub with oil to stave off the onset of corrosion. Which is what rust is. If your project is subject to continuous submersion you will be wise to employ stainless as your material. Type 304 is most common. Type 316 is best when exposure to salt water cannot be avoided .
@@kengodfrey1956 Thank you!
Is burning the galvanize with the soldering iron something to consider? Like welding it is toxic...does the acid mitigate that? Appreciate ya
Don't ever burn (or melt) galvanized material. It off gasses a toxic cloud. Soldering is a surface adhesion process that stays several hundred degrees below the melting point of the zinc coating. Which is what "galvanized "is made mostly of. The galvanized coating is slippery and non porous. That's what makes it work so well . The acid, etches the surface and allows the solder to grip it. Let me know if you have any further questions. Thanks for watching
What materials are you using and what size snips? tks.
26 ga.galvanized . I like the offset snips. Midwest, craftsman, wiss. If you're right handed get the reds, left handed get the greens. If you got the money get both.
Where can I get me a soldering iron like yours?
It's a prestolite attachment. It uses ambient air and acetylene. I haven't used an old school iron since I found this rig. I'd look online. The welding supply may never have heard of it. Go for it.
For restoring old metal features like this sign, do you ever use a rust inhibitor like Ospho?
I have not but the sign is on its way to the paint shop and they will.
What is thickness of the sheet metal?
26 ga galvanized. About 18 thousandths thick.
What type solder did you use? Thanks Sean
60/40 Solder
In 1742, French chemist Paul Jacques Malouin described a method of coating iron by dipping it in molten zinc in a presentation to the French Royal Academy.
In 1772, Luigi Galvani (Italy), for whom galvanizing was named, discovered the electrochemical process that takes place between metals during an experiment with frog legs.
In 1801, Alessandro Volta furthered the research on galvanizing when he discovered the electro-potential between two metals, creating a corrosion cell.
In 1836, French chemist Stanislas Sorel obtained a patent for a method of coating iron with zinc, after first cleaning it with 9% sulfuric acid (H2SO4) and fluxing it with ammonium chloride (NH4Cl).
Very well said. Thanks
I agree that acid will certainly corrode the metal. But even in your own words you said the letters wouldn’t be rotted out if it wasn’t for the water sitting in the letters. Yet the old timers certainly used acid to solder the letters back 110 years ago. What makes it different today??
We fabricated the replacement letters using the exact techniques as the original craftsmen. The original letters were then silver soldered to the substrate. No acid is required. The sign must be oriented horizontally to perform said attachment. We didn't have the proper lifting equipment to perform that requirement. The fact that you would state such an inquiry is very pleasing to me. It shows thought and process. Two things I'm very fond of. Thanks for your time. I'm glad you found us.
You are inspirational, I appreciate your videos. May I suggest you look into using a wireless microphone that clips on your shirt? I don't mean to sound demanding, i am only trying to help. Your voice levels vary throughout the video and there is a fair amount of background noise. These things make it difficult to hear parts of the video for me. Anyway thank you for sharing your skills knowledge and experience
Thanks for your input. We found a mic that was perfect for our application. I think we have used it on our last two lessons. Check it out and let me know what you think. Thanks for learning along with us
What type of solder did you use? thanks Sean.
60/40 tin/ lead
Editing suggestion: At the beginning of the video, show the sign and its condition, explain what you will do, then show the construction of the repairs. There was only a 1/2 second glimpse of the sign before you started showing repairs, and I skipped ahead to the end to see what you were working on so I'd understand what you were doing.
What state are you in?
Nor cal
Great video! Highly informative. Did you make the soldering iron unit or did you purchase it? I assume the tank is acetylene. Thanks.
It's a prestolite soldering attachment. Yes on the acetylene. Thanks for watching
the stuff at 23:30 should have been the very beginning
A remote mic would help.
cant hear you
Don't mark out with a scribe use a pencil so that the anti rust coat is not destroyed.
The sign is at the paint shop, where it will be sanded and etched before primer and top coat. Paint will sometimes fisheye on pencil lead. I like your attention to detail though. Thanks for watching
Please have the cameraman get closer than 15 feet away! Mostly all of the precise things you're doing isn't on film cause the camera is too far away. It would be nice to see you actually doing this soldering, up close. Also, no flux is needed for this? I guess the muriatic acid is acting as the flux too?
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Thanx for taking the time to put vids out, you're a natural teacher!
👍🛠️🔧🔩📐📏🔨🔧✏️🗜️👌💪
What kind of solder is that?
The galvanizing is zinc, effectively the material is pre tinned. The acid removes oxidation from the surface. With heat the solder will readily adhere and merge with the zinc coating.
Why couldn't you pop-rivet it to the(5/8" x 5/8") pieces you put behind the letter instead of silicone that will fail eventually?
We couldn't have an exposed fastener. The polyurethane cures and stays flexible for nearly 50 years. It is concealed from the sun which allows it to expand and contract in varying weather conditions without losing adhesion.
This was not our soldering lesson. We will cover that in an upcoming lesson. This was more of a precursor in a practical application.
*promosm* 👏
Oh great, now I gotta go find a dictionary. I'll be back shortly.
the guy is a sheetmetal tradesman, not Cecil B DeMille. Get off the video quality nonsense. I'm 71 and heard him just fine.