aoe3 is rock (heavy inf/muskets/ranged cav) - paper (skirms/bows/artillery) - scissor (heavy cav). Except artillery counters all infantry super hard and doesn't counter ranged cav, and muskets also sorta counter other heavy infantry and ranged cav.
@@timd7683 Bolas Warriors are classified as heavy infantry, same as a musketeer. Counters cavalry at range, like a carolean, which is classified as a musketeer. With the home shipment, they gain a bonus against cavalry in melee, like a musketeer.
Hey Drongo_Aussie, just a quick tip, add some arrowheads to the end of those line, it makes it much clearer to read at a glance. Good job on this, it's very helpful.
Yup. recently played treaty against Portugese as Spain. Portugese made halbs, muskets and dragoons. I mainly spammed lancers and overpowered him. Both sides also had nootkas at first. My eco was slowly resource stockpile was slowly growing and his was depleted. Lancers are imo undervalued by some youtubers. Portugese only have 1 unit that counters the lancer in treaty and that is the hussar. I specify treaty has it's mostly a meat grinder and there isn't as much micro, which dragoon/ jinete need.
Rifle riders can be easily killed by yumi archers and yabusame combined if you keep yabusame ahead of yumi. Yabusame has 50% range resist and yumi does 2x damage on range cavalry.
1. Hand cav counter ranged infantry. 2. Ranged infantry counter anticav. 3. Anticav counter hand cav. 4. Both cav counter artillery. 5. Artillery depending on the unit counter infantry(especially ranged infantry), artillery including itself, buildings as well as ship. 6. And there are hybrid units like rifle riders, flaming arrow etc. 7. Petard is a unique unit effectively representing pure siege.
A unit you didn’t talk about was the horse grenadier, it takes a lot of upgrades to make him super op but nothing really counters him. Possibly the most op unit in the game.
I might be mistaken. But I thought that in DE ranged cavs bonus was changed from heavy cav to hand cav. I thought that must mean that rifle riders no longer get counterd by ranged cav.
Bolas warrior is a shitty carol not a dragoon type. Both are heavy inf with ranged multiplier vs cav, because of their splash dmg you can use them effectively vs musk types and with the fire pit they even trade even with skirm types. with the card they gain melee multipliers vs cav, putting them squarely in the heavy inf musk type.
Cool, Professor Drongo explains the food chain in AoE3. I liked it, I personally struggle very badly against the native civs, I can't make them out on the field and certainly don't know how to counter them. On that note, he never mentioned what counters the Urumi. Those and the Age 2 Swedish combo of Landsnecht and leather cannons always wreck me as Spain.
Eagle runners actually have the shock infantry, and thus skirmishers have a NEGATIVE multiplier against them. They also don't have the infantry tag and so most artillery ALSO get negative multipliers. The 6 movement speed allows them to kite musk's and hand infantry, preventing then from getting into melee and the ranged resistance helps with the shooting The only true counters are dragoons and rodeleros and stuff
The Siege elephants counter both artillery and buildings. But they also have the same tag as dragoons (light cavalry) so skirmishers kill them as well. Imo the culvs should've been put into a solo group and the siege elis, hand mortars and arrow knights in another group in that they are both mortars and culvs. The Chinese flamethrowers also get hard ountered by artillery cause they have an infantry tag as well.
unless your fighting close to your buildings flames get countered by just about everything D: i think the exception is bows that have a start up animation.
You can get the Nizam fusilier in the second age. Unique church improvements was moved to the second age. I wish the nizam fusilier got a range upgrade. The skirmisher upgrade applies to them, but that's about it.
Yes, he has gotten this unit wrong before in the dragoon review. The bolas is a carol that trades some melee capability for its ranged snare and splash.
Regarding melee mode ; if a musketeer is in ranged mode, but is maneuvered close to a cav unit and attacks it in melee, without switching mode manually, does it do the same damage as if it were manually put into melee mode?
Drongo for god sakes please make a video on how to counter Swedish lendshenkt imperial age… I just played the most cheesy game I’ve ever played.. I threw spies, cannon, the kitchen sink at them. Opponent had 90 villies in gold made 250 of them. My godddd
Flame throwers are more like grens rather than artillery. Firstly they don't have the artillery tag because they are infantry units. So ranged cavs do no damage against them.
Thank you for the video! this is a really important topic in the game and the most complex compared to AoE2, because the technology tree doesnt have all the info. We need 2.0 version please, using an scenario editor and seeing the stats and bonuses.
Rifle Rider is BOTH light and heavy cavalary, so he actually counters and gets countered by the same units, also you forgot he counters arty (bonus of 6 if i am not mistaken)
1. Horses counter Cannons. (Can close them down) 2. Cannons counter Dudes. (Nobody survives a cannon to the face) 3. Dude with bayonet or no gun counters Horses. (They can stab them) 4. Dude with long gun counters Dude with bayonet/no gun. (They can hit and run) 5. Horse with gun counters Horse with no gun. (They can hit and run) 6. Dude with long gun counters Horse with gun (They have longer range and easier to aim) 7. Horse with no gun counters Dude with long gun. (Can close down easily) This was the basic cheat sheet I used when learning the game. Obviously doesn't cover culverin, other special units. But it's a good start :)
Absolutely, he has gotten this wrong before. Try skirm vs bolas with 25 on firepit, if you split the splash dmg up a little bit they will trade almost equally, and the snare helps with the kiting. Not saying you should look for these fights, but it's surprising.
how am i supposed to counter musket riders as british.. other then going full cav with upgraded dragoons, it still doesnt seem like its enough to take on 800hp musket riders. every game i played it destroys brits
Personally i would have separated it from hand cav. It fights against every inf that isnt the super heavy bois very well. Also they are countered by hand cav so its basically a separate class.
Great video! Unfortunately I don’t see a chimu runner card here... I’d assume it’s countered by hand cavalry but I always struggle against them. EDIT: nevermind you brought it up. Thanks mate!
The video was kinda hard to follow and it was very fast paced. I wish it was done where I could see the units as they are on the game. The pictures doesn't help.
Although heavy infantry have a bonus against ranged cavalry, I would actually say ranged cavalry counters heavy cavalry, not the other way around. The ranged cavalry can kite the heavy infantry forever, and kill all of them without taking any damage. Muskeet units could also be said to counter the melee heavy infantry for the same reason.
I think any unit becomes lethal against another if it is used well and micromanaged well. But in simple terms, without unit management in a 1v1 engagement heavy infantry kills light cavalry.
Simply put, you can't believe the wiki. Most is correct, but there are a lot of mistakes in it. I'd say the flamethrower is very similar to the grenadier in what it does.
Pretty sure thats a shock infantry bonus aka coyotes and chimu. There isnt a unit that has a bonus specifically vs light inf they just have a very small health pool.
I like how he says the Eagle runner knight is the easiest and to treat it as a dragoon, and then says it will kill all of your skirmishes. If it kills your skirmishers, it is not just a dragoon.
Everyone knows what counters what on paper but in reality nothing counters elmetto except samurai and doppelsöldner. They are 1500hp cavs with 60dmg with 3x on infantry, 4x on spanish elmetto which 2 hits most infantry, 1 hit archers, cant kite cavs against them because they are cav too, rekt artillery and they just cost 400 gold/4pop, no upgrade cost.
I watch most of your videos and I usually think that you have the ability to present complex things very clearly. I think, however, that this scheme is a huge mess. I know you are a Paint god, but maybe you should invest in Illustrator or another software for this kind of scheme ? That's a shame because you took a long time to collect all the unit from the wiki. In addition, you should also use arrow for your lines for clearer visibility.
There i only want to add, that i dont have a problem with the scheme but it makes it a bit messy because the screen is too small for all the information i think. You would need something which you can zoom out also for arraning the different groups better. Then your arrows can be better placed (like they are only line etc.)
I don´t want to hear original unit sounds in DE anymore, i just want them to remove those and put the Drongo´s ultimate version, just like this 28:17 and this 31:19 xd
Just lost a ranked game using my fully upgraded veteran cuirassier's playing as the French. They were absolutely slaughtered by the Lakota bowmen. Idk how thats possible. 60 of my cav vs like 50 bowmen and I lost. That should not be possible.
I was looking for how to counter the German Dobbnersoldner. You absolutely cannot fight them in melee combat, You.Will.Die. Even though they have melee armor [20%] so ranged attacks do 100% damage, they have a health pool so large that they don't die easily even when Skirmishers are shooting them. They have a X3 bonus damage vs cavs on top of their already above average base damage so... just don't even try, not even with Lancers. Artillery even have issues killing even a small group of these near immortal tanks. And once they are done mopping the floor with what ever you send them they have enough siege damage to raze buildings with ease, meaning you don't even have to build an artillery foundery at all. So what ever eco was going to go into cannons instead ends up creating these assholes. Oh, and I forgot to mention that they are the only non card melee unit that has splash damage. That on top of their above average damage and HP means that fighting 10 of these feels like 15-20. Or 20 feeling like 30-40. With the fact that every German unit spawn card also drops Ulian cavalry they are simply unstopabullshit P.S I own the base game.
You know Drongo is serious when he pulls out Paint
AoE 2: let's play rock, paper, scissor!
AoE 3: play rock-paper-scissor but with the meta of rock-paper-scissor plus special uno cards abilities.
AoE 4: pack and go meta
aoe3 is rock (heavy inf/muskets/ranged cav) - paper (skirms/bows/artillery) - scissor (heavy cav). Except artillery counters all infantry super hard and doesn't counter ranged cav, and muskets also sorta counter other heavy infantry and ranged cav.
I appreciate this. One of the biggest learning curve differences between AoE 2 and AoE 3, for me, has been the incredible number of unique units.
19:58
That's the native bolas warrior from an Inca TP, not the Inca civ bolas warrior, the wiki has both.
Idk why he compares them to ranged cav. They're clearly more akin to a musketeer.
@@HUsupernova they are good against cav at range, but weak in melee. More like a dragoon than a musketeer.
@@timd7683 Bolas Warriors are classified as heavy infantry, same as a musketeer. Counters cavalry at range, like a carolean, which is classified as a musketeer. With the home shipment, they gain a bonus against cavalry in melee, like a musketeer.
Bolas from the legacy game countered Heavy Infantry. Thats what might be on the Wiki
Hey Drongo_Aussie, just a quick tip, add some arrowheads to the end of those line, it makes it much clearer to read at a glance. Good job on this, it's very helpful.
that ram ranch reference, never change drongo
I like to think how all these unit types are holding guns to each other while the Jaguar Prowler is holding it to himself
AUSSIE DRONGO WE WANT A THOROUGH INCA VIDEO FROM YOU!
@Aussie_Drongo Can you do nation reviews. The SamuraiRevolution videos are many years old. He does not seem to want to make more...
Lancer could probably be moved into the “unique” class just because they have the bonus against heavy infantry.
Yup. recently played treaty against Portugese as Spain. Portugese made halbs, muskets and dragoons. I mainly spammed lancers and overpowered him. Both sides also had nootkas at first. My eco was slowly resource stockpile was slowly growing and his was depleted. Lancers are imo undervalued by some youtubers. Portugese only have 1 unit that counters the lancer in treaty and that is the hussar. I specify treaty has it's mostly a meat grinder and there isn't as much micro, which dragoon/ jinete need.
this is so good. Rifle riders are such a pain.
I see people complaining about the presentation. I think this is a good way to present the information.
Rifle riders can be easily killed by yumi archers and yabusame combined if you keep yabusame ahead of yumi. Yabusame has 50% range resist and yumi does 2x damage on range cavalry.
Thank you drongo I was gonna ask for this video! Good shit
heavy melee infranty: i don't why im here all i know is i must bonk everything i get close to
Needed this, usually it's just a matter of hoping for the best with whatever can be afforded :D
Steppe rider counters everything
Just found this game, it’s awesome
Thank you Drongo, very informative and a very good overview! I'm damn happy, that AoE 3 gets this type of love still.
1. Hand cav counter ranged infantry.
2. Ranged infantry counter anticav.
3. Anticav counter hand cav.
4. Both cav counter artillery.
5. Artillery depending on the unit counter infantry(especially ranged infantry), artillery including itself, buildings as well as ship.
6. And there are hybrid units like rifle riders, flaming arrow etc.
7. Petard is a unique unit effectively representing pure siege.
A unit you didn’t talk about was the horse grenadier, it takes a lot of upgrades to make him super op but nothing really counters him. Possibly the most op unit in the game.
Who have that?
@@KOSOVOisSERBIA222 Spain and another civ but only if you revolt to Argentina
Argentina and Perú I believe?
I might be mistaken. But I thought that in DE ranged cavs bonus was changed from heavy cav to hand cav. I thought that must mean that rifle riders no longer get counterd by ranged cav.
The flail elephant impression is great.
Bolas warrior is a shitty carol not a dragoon type. Both are heavy inf with ranged multiplier vs cav, because of their splash dmg you can use them effectively vs musk types and with the fire pit they even trade even with skirm types.
with the card they gain melee multipliers vs cav, putting them squarely in the heavy inf musk type.
Cool, Professor Drongo explains the food chain in AoE3. I liked it, I personally struggle very badly against the native civs, I can't make them out on the field and certainly don't know how to counter them. On that note, he never mentioned what counters the Urumi. Those and the Age 2 Swedish combo of Landsnecht and leather cannons always wreck me as Spain.
Urumis are basically melee skirmishers. So heavy cav and artillery counter them just like skirms
Urumi are hard countered by artillery. Urumi are soft countered by heavy cavalry. Anything else will die extremely easily.
Eagle runners actually have the shock infantry, and thus skirmishers have a NEGATIVE multiplier against them. They also don't have the infantry tag and so most artillery ALSO get negative multipliers. The 6 movement speed allows them to kite musk's and hand infantry, preventing then from getting into melee and the ranged resistance helps with the shooting
The only true counters are dragoons and rodeleros and stuff
The Siege elephants counter both artillery and buildings. But they also have the same tag as dragoons (light cavalry) so skirmishers kill them as well. Imo the culvs should've been put into a solo group and the siege elis, hand mortars and arrow knights in another group in that they are both mortars and culvs.
The Chinese flamethrowers also get hard ountered by artillery cause they have an infantry tag as well.
unless your fighting close to your buildings flames get countered by just about everything D: i think the exception is bows that have a start up animation.
Thank you aussie I really really needed this
I got you Krish! Hope you are well mate.
Do you happen to have a website containing strategy builds for each civ?
Similar to samurairevolution?
Daddy drongo, could we get a mercenary tier list pretty please?
YES
I did a test with Bolas Warriors from Inca Vs French Musketeers in Age V and from a 20v20 there were 15 Bolas Warriors left.
You can get the Nizam fusilier in the second age. Unique church improvements was moved to the second age. I wish the nizam fusilier got a range upgrade. The skirmisher upgrade applies to them, but that's about it.
Would love to see a video like this for AOE 4 Drongo!
The bolas warrior problem is that in the wiki it was the minor tribe (native warrior) unit. Which is different from the major civ (Inca)
isn't a bolas warrior just a carolean before the nerf vs goons?
Yes, he has gotten this unit wrong before in the dragoon review.
The bolas is a carol that trades some melee capability for its ranged snare and splash.
How do you effectively counter urumis? Hand Cav? Artillery?
Unlike with skirmishers do not expect 3 hussars to kill 7 urumi. Urumi are soft countered by hand cavalry and hard countered by artillery.
Regarding melee mode ; if a musketeer is in ranged mode, but is maneuvered close to a cav unit and attacks it in melee, without switching mode manually, does it do the same damage as if it were manually put into melee mode?
Yes.
we need it updated to incorporate african civs. fyi you can get the nizam fuseliers from age 2 onwards through shipments
Drongo for god sakes please make a video on how to counter Swedish lendshenkt imperial age… I just played the most cheesy game I’ve ever played.. I threw spies, cannon, the kitchen sink at them. Opponent had 90 villies in gold made 250 of them. My godddd
Flame throwers are more like grens rather than artillery. Firstly they don't have the artillery tag because they are infantry units. So ranged cavs do no damage against them.
Thank you for the video! this is a really important topic in the game and the most complex compared to AoE2, because the technology tree doesnt have all the info.
We need 2.0 version please, using an scenario editor and seeing the stats and bonuses.
Rifle Rider is BOTH light and heavy cavalary, so he actually counters and gets countered by the same units, also you forgot he counters arty (bonus of 6 if i am not mistaken)
This is well needed for me lmao
Paint > Every other editing program
By the way I think you forgot about the boats.
Love this series of tutorials please continue
1. Horses counter Cannons. (Can close them down)
2. Cannons counter Dudes. (Nobody survives a cannon to the face)
3. Dude with bayonet or no gun counters Horses. (They can stab them)
4. Dude with long gun counters Dude with bayonet/no gun. (They can hit and run)
5. Horse with gun counters Horse with no gun. (They can hit and run)
6. Dude with long gun counters Horse with gun (They have longer range and easier to aim)
7. Horse with no gun counters Dude with long gun. (Can close down easily)
This was the basic cheat sheet I used when learning the game. Obviously doesn't cover culverin, other special units. But it's a good start :)
Bolas warriors are Caroleans... heavy infantry that counter cavalry at range and which are countered by skirms.
Absolutely, he has gotten this wrong before.
Try skirm vs bolas with 25 on firepit, if you split the splash dmg up a little bit they will trade almost equally, and the snare helps with the kiting. Not saying you should look for these fights, but it's surprising.
Jans counter everything in my hands.
Nizams ftw bou
He didn’t talk about horse grenadiers which have no counter.
how am i supposed to counter musket riders as british.. other then going full cav with upgraded dragoons, it still doesnt seem like its enough to take on 800hp musket riders. every game i played it destroys brits
U forgot the Hatamoto Samurai I think but where it belongs is quite clear
Yep, with the mortars and rams. Because all buildings fear the 250 siege
Can someone give me a timestamp for how to counter Eagle runner knights?
With big beefy boys, melee infantry should do
Lancer isn’t countered very well by musk... With upgrades some kinda goes for pikes (although pikes are cost effective at least)
Personally i would have separated it from hand cav. It fights against every inf that isnt the super heavy bois very well. Also they are countered by hand cav so its basically a separate class.
@@zacharyshoemaker835 yea it’s unique, the other lancer type units only kill light infantry
I was watching the video and was afraid to pause with the mouse to do not mess with your paint project :D
love videos like this drongo. keep it up
what about Japanese warlords, how do you counter that
How to counter Rifle Rider with Sweden? Ship Jaegers from home city? they are so expensive!
Great video! Unfortunately I don’t see a chimu runner card here... I’d assume it’s countered by hand cavalry but I always struggle against them. EDIT: nevermind you brought it up. Thanks mate!
am i blind or are the black rider and the conquistado missing?
and spies
You forgot Hatamoto Samurai, Shinobi-No-Mono and ninjitzu-zukai.
u didnt explain WHAT U MEAN WITH THE OTHER COLOR LINES ???
oh now i get it.. could you make it any more complicated? sorry man :D this stuff is pretty complex..
My favorite unit type is the big beefy boys, and my second is hand cavalry :D
How do you counter Indias howdahs???
Ranged infantry like skirmishers.
The video was kinda hard to follow and it was very fast paced. I wish it was done where I could see the units as they are on the game. The pictures doesn't help.
Although heavy infantry have a bonus against ranged cavalry, I would actually say ranged cavalry counters heavy cavalry, not the other way around. The ranged cavalry can kite the heavy infantry forever, and kill all of them without taking any damage.
Muskeet units could also be said to counter the melee heavy infantry for the same reason.
I think any unit becomes lethal against another if it is used well and micromanaged well. But in simple terms, without unit management in a 1v1 engagement heavy infantry kills light cavalry.
Well yeah. Generally-
Light cav beats cav/heavy infantry.
Cav beats skirm.
Skirm beats light cav/heavy infantry.
Heavy infantry beats cav.
Imperial war wagons how can i beat them?
wouldn't you move the siege elephant to the same category as the flaming arrow?
siege elephants are culv/mort like hand mort. Those light cannon and flaming arrow are ani inf/culv.
@@zacharyshoemaker835 I would say they do just fine against infantry, wouldn't you agree?
@@gotchaix They have 8 range so they are kited by every unit in the game.
DrongPaintGod!
how about the us marine, and wild west units?
U just making everyone good at this game 😂
Simply put, you can't believe the wiki. Most is correct, but there are a lot of mistakes in it. I'd say the flamethrower is very similar to the grenadier in what it does.
Heads up drongo, Rodeleros have a bonus against skirms/light infantry.. they fuck up skirmishers when you spam the hell out of them
Pretty sure thats a shock infantry bonus aka coyotes and chimu. There isnt a unit that has a bonus specifically vs light inf they just have a very small health pool.
Well shit, thats my bad. I know it's shock infantry but when I looked up shock infantry i got skirmishers.. strange.
I like how he says the Eagle runner knight is the easiest and to treat it as a dragoon, and then says it will kill all of your skirmishes. If it kills your skirmishers, it is not just a dragoon.
I need cetan bowmen vs those units instead bow riders or wakinas
Make a new video with the new units =)
Where are the shinobis tho?
Wrong Inca chief you’re thinking civ wiki is thinking native
guessing askari wasint in this version
bro tell me how to counter Peruvian Legion?
You forgot to add the Abus Gun into the list ;)
Love this video !
pogU aussie uploaded
No curiassier ?
Please update it with the new civs
I need cetan bowmen to counter eagle runner, wakinas and bow riders are weak vs those units.
Maybe Yabusame as a special unit because it counters arty aswell as cav
How to counter every mercenary unit
Lol, one unit can
Everyone knows what counters what on paper but in reality nothing counters elmetto except samurai and doppelsöldner. They are 1500hp cavs with 60dmg with 3x on infantry, 4x on spanish elmetto which 2 hits most infantry, 1 hit archers, cant kite cavs against them because they are cav too, rekt artillery and they just cost 400 gold/4pop, no upgrade cost.
I watch most of your videos and I usually think that you have the ability to present complex things very clearly. I think, however, that this scheme is a huge mess. I know you are a Paint god, but maybe you should invest in Illustrator or another software for this kind of scheme ? That's a shame because you took a long time to collect all the unit from the wiki. In addition, you should also use arrow for your lines for clearer visibility.
There i only want to add, that i dont have a problem with the scheme but it makes it a bit messy because the screen is too small for all the information i think. You would need something which you can zoom out also for arraning the different groups better. Then your arrows can be better placed (like they are only line etc.)
Someone could Remake this properly and Post it on the discord. I have Illustrator but im Not skilled enough with it. Could try it though....
WHERE ARE THE PLUMED SPEARMAN AUSIE?!?!?!?!?!? THEY NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU TO INCLUDE THEM????!??!
I don´t want to hear original unit sounds in DE anymore, i just want them to remove those and put the Drongo´s ultimate version, just like this 28:17 and this 31:19 xd
Last night I played a game with US, where my State Militia lost to caroleans lol smh. (Age2) I was confused.
-Arvahk
Thanks!!
Aussies really like their Sheryl. Anyone else watch MCM?
I'm one of the boys on the youtube!
Why are the Simpsons not green?
Late game nothing beats manlet’s.
Oprinciki have bonus vs siege units
Just make Gendarms lol
Am I wrong ? URUMI COUNTERS EVERYHTING
urumi counter thensame things as skirmishers ie heavy inf and light cav. They do okay damage vs light inf just like samurai or dopps
Nope. I think heavy cav counter them
Just lost a ranked game using my fully upgraded veteran cuirassier's playing as the French. They were absolutely slaughtered by the Lakota bowmen. Idk how thats possible. 60 of my cav vs like 50 bowmen and I lost. That should not be possible.
Easy.
Light cav beats cav.
Fake, gendarmes counter every unit in the game
its petard not peeetard
I was looking for how to counter the German Dobbnersoldner.
You absolutely cannot fight them in melee combat, You.Will.Die. Even though they have melee armor [20%] so ranged attacks do 100% damage, they have a health pool so large that they don't die easily even when Skirmishers are shooting them. They have a X3 bonus damage vs cavs on top of their already above average base damage so... just don't even try, not even with Lancers.
Artillery even have issues killing even a small group of these near immortal tanks. And once they are done mopping the floor with what ever you send them they have enough siege damage to raze buildings with ease, meaning you don't even have to build an artillery foundery at all. So what ever eco was going to go into cannons instead ends up creating these assholes.
Oh, and I forgot to mention that they are the only non card melee unit that has splash damage. That on top of their above average damage and HP means that fighting 10 of these feels like 15-20. Or 20 feeling like 30-40. With the fact that every German unit spawn card also drops Ulian cavalry they are simply unstopabullshit
P.S I own the base game.
Tl;dr
Dopps are heavy infantry.
Skirms beat heavy infantry.
If you're up against a strong/fast heavy infantry, use light cav and kite.