Corrosion problem on clutch bearing shaft ruins one way bearing. Clutch Bearing. INA HF1816 or HF1616 Depends on model and Serial #. Thrust Washer. AXK 1226
Thank you very much for taking the time to do your 3 videos. I was able to completely refurbish my windlass. I watched your videos and then took it completely apart. Once I had it all apart and cleaned up I was able to better appreciate your numerous helpful comments. It was a bit frustrating at first as some of parts being described were not visible.
Thanks for this! A day and a half trying to figure why my Lewmar v700 windlass would "seize up" when trying to let out line. The 2nd compound gear was the answer.. It is seized onto the shaft - both the lower roller sleeve and the lower gear. Would not budge even with using a vise as you described. Found a replacement gear set (needed the gasket and one other gear had some corrosion) for $139 at Mauripro sailing.
Second update. Ever time I watch your video I pick up on something else. Just before you took the assembly apart I noticed that you were getting the same approx 30 degrees of motion in either direction that I'm now getting. It was only after you took it apart and the dogs dropped out that you were able to spin it further. I still can't get the nut off but I don't think I need to. The collar is spinning freely and the gear tightens and loosens against the collar as you show it's supposed to. I think I'm good to put everything back together again. Glad I didn't try to force that gear to move more that the 30 degrees it already has.
Thank you sir!!! i've open my sprint 1000 and didn't notice this, so when i assemble the windlass he just spin for one side! after watching your video i as able to fix!
Hey thanks for the video! Any tips on getting that gear out? I am unable to pull it out of the housing. Is there a trick or Is it probably just corroded and I need to give hell ? Thanks! Tim
@@fishin4salmon Not at all I was just messing with you partner! I enjoyed your video and learned a lot about my PF700. Thank you! Btw- I wasn’t paying attention to the direction of the 1816 bearing when I disassembled mine this weekend. The bearing was seized up and seized to the compound gear shaft so I had to pull the bearing out and all.. had to use a small torch and some force to pry it out.. which direction does the bearing need to spin when looking down at the open unit? I believe it needs to turn counter-clockwise.. Is that correct? Thank you sir! -Jeremy
I'm trying to find a Thrust needle bearing for my 550 pro sport. its the flat bearing between the two washers on the shaft. any idea where I might get one ?
someone mentioned it may be the needle bearings causing the lack of torque. Can those be serviced and how do you know if they are working properly? one set spins and the other does not? can those be repaired or replaced? thank you
How can I get the compound gear assembly nut out so i can get to the screw behind the gear to pull the motor of my Horizon 500? You took the nut off out of camera range
Good morning, thanks for the reply. So when I removed the cover plate and exposed the gears I then pulled off the smaller gears by hand which left the motor with no gearing attached. At that point when I operated the up/down switch the motor worked in both directions. After putting the gears back on everything worked. Possibly there was just some surface corrosion preventing the reverse even though everything was well greased with no signs of corrosion or water intrusion. So on face value everything seems ok but I have 2 questions. Easy one first, why does the output shaft that the chain dogs go on have two keyways cut in the shaft? I thought that I had lost the keys when I removed the dogs but I don't see any keys on the schematic that would go in those keyways. Second and more importantly, I'm not sure if the intermediate shaft sleeve and the one way bearing are the same on my unit (2017 Pro Fish) as in your video on an older version. With that assembly in my hands I am able to "rock" the gear back and forth slightly on the shaft so it doesn't seem frozen but it's not free spinning either. I am tempted to place the assembly in my vise and try to work it free as you showed but I wanted to be sure that it is supposed to be able to operate as yours did and that the engineering didn't change. Thoughts?
Thank you Sir, very good video. Do you know Lewmar Sprint 500 and Horizon 500 use the same small compound gear and clutch ? and same one way bearing? Thank you for your time.
Thanks for your videos. My Profish 100 will power in but when I push the console switch to power down I get nothing. I have disassembled the windlass/dogs side and it seemed fine. With nothing on the shaft the motor spins in the up direction but nothing happens trying the down switch. I'm assuming that since the motor works powering up but not down the problem is in the bearing? Just checking before I tear down the other side. thanks. Miles
Does the motor hum or make any sounds when it is powered on. If not I would first test the reversing solenoid. Check to see if it is powering the out side when you power down . It reverses the polarity to the windless. Test the input also. If you have power both ways It will be a seized intermediate shaft sleeve and one way bearing will be shot. It is in the main housing between the motor and the output shaft.
Update, after watching your video a couple more times I did notice that the nut you undid with your fingers is the same as mine. I didn't catch that it was flush inside the collar at first. However, I am unable to remove it either with my fingers or with needlenose pliars. However, after bathing the assembly in WD-40 I was able to rotate the intermediate shaft more than just the "rocking motion" earlier. It still sticks but after about 30 degrees motion now. The bushing on the end of the shaft now spins freely. The assembly has been sitting in wd40 all day. I'm hesitant to apply heat due to the plastic washer and I don't really want to force anything. Or do I just force it and order new bearings. That's kind of how I'm leaning now. Thoughts?
Have you found any source for individual parts as opposed to having to purchase Lewmar's kits. I only needed the two washers and washer type bearing that is inside of the compound gear (Index #22) for a Gen 2 ProFish 1000. I had to purchase entire Compound Gear, kit #66000636 for $121 (Fisheries Supply). Also a note regarding the parts schematic for a Gen 2; it states the bearing kit to be #66000103. This is for a Gen 1. The bearing kit you need is 66000634 and this is for both Gen 2 & 3. The Gen 3 is a much improved windlass over the Gen 2. Biggest improvement is a gasket between the housing and cover.
@chaoul12 Not sure of differences btw 1 and 2 other than some refinements, but Gen 3 has some var teflon washers on var gears which required slightly longer shafts like on the compound gear and main gear. Also the neoprene Gasket for the cover.
@@donrichitt thanks a lot, very interesting to know that as lewmar tech support isn’t very helpful. This week based on serial number they told me i have gen3, but a year ago based on same serial number they had me order a gen1&2 replacement motor…
You said around the 8 minute mark, that the sleeve that sticks can bind up and prevent the anchor from going out. Is it the same for bringing the anchor in? Mine will deploy, but binds up on the way in.
Hi ! my shaft (where the dogs fit in) min 5:30 broke !!! Can I buy only the shaft ? do you know the ref. ? It´s a Pro 1000 1st Gen. I would deeply apreciate it. Thank you
Is the name of the bearing you focus on in this video the "clutch bearing"? I took mine apart and one of the washers that sandwich that flat bearing is cracked. I don't see those parts listed in the Lewmar manual. Do you know if Lewmar sells replacement parts?
Don't buy from Lewmar. Don't support them for poor engineering. Part number is AXK1226. Go online and put in number and find a local bearing dealer. Can get 10 with washers for 10-15 dollars. Same quality.
@Tom Wordell - Hi Tom, wondering if you found a suitable replacement for the flat washer that was cracked? My smaller of the two washers was broken in half. Thanks.
@@fishin4salmon Hi fishin4salmon - wondering if you can use the larger of the two washers that sandwich the flat bearing in place of the smaller washer? Thanks
My horizon 500 windlass will spin until a load is put on it and then stops as soon as chain attached? Any ideas? I just replaced with a new electric motor, but no tourque to pull the chain
Hi David, I am having a similar problem with my Horizon 600, it has tons of torque going down but when I go up the motor turns but I can easily stop it by hand. Motor seems fine inside and I see zero corrosion. Did you ever figure yours out? Thanks, Vik
Try soaking it with wd40. Work it forward and backwards occasionally. The bearings are poor quality. They rust badly when moisture gets in the housing. These windless should be torn down annually to avoid rust.
AXK 1226 is the common part number. Ebay is a good place to buy bulk for cheep. AXK1226 with washers. If you have time as shipping can take around 1.5 months to Canada. Got 10 for cheep. I do an annual teardown and re-grease. The thrust needle bearing and one way bearing is a common problem. Below is a random link to view. www.ebay.ca/itm/AXK1226-Thrust-Needle-Roller-Bearing-With-Two-Washers-12mm-x-26mm-x-2mm-/141778176551?hash=item2102a34a27:g:B9kAAOSwQTVV-7M5
Thank you for the AEX1226 part number. It comes with 2 washers, one of which matches the larger washer used. Any help/ideas on locating the smaller washer. The old one is disintegrated into many pieces. The larger washer is 25.8mm. I estimate the smaller washer at 23.9mm. Again thanks for your videos.
@@donrichitt Hi Donald, I also found the smaller of the two flat washers broken in half. Did you find a replacement/alternative that has worked for you? Thanks!
@@landryprice8468 The needle bearing kit (AEX1226) can be found on Amazon or Ebay. I have ordered a few of these for future teardowns. The issue with one of the original washers being smaller (24mm) is still unsolved by me. I was hoping fishin4salmon would respond. My concern will be finding a washer that can withstand the abuse it will be subjected to.
THRUST WASHERS AXK 1226 comes with 2 washers. 12mm id 26mm od 2mm overall thickness. www.amazon.ca/uxcell-AXK1226-Thrust-Bearings-Washers/dp/B08FHT1RN8/ref=sr_1_4?crid=3BFAPQUJZSGWA&keywords=AXK1226&qid=1661104573&s=industrial&sprefix=axk1226%2Cindustrial%2C118&sr=1-4
Yeah, These things are Junk! Made to be problematic if you ask me. Not worth the money or the time and effort. I wouldn't put holes in my boat and then wait for this to happen.
My Horizon 500 clunked out due to this very gear/clutch damaged, struggle to find this small gear/clutch. This video gives me some clue that this small center gear/clutch off Sprint windlass may be the same as Horizon.
Final update. works like a charm. Power out, power in, free fall. Couldn't have figured it out without your video. Thanks again.
Thank you very much for taking the time to do your 3 videos. I was able to completely refurbish my windlass. I watched your videos and then took it completely apart. Once I had it all apart and cleaned up I was able to better appreciate your numerous helpful comments. It was a bit frustrating at first as some of parts being described were not visible.
Thanks for your help. I was able to rebuild my Horizon 500 windlass thanks tot his video. Saved me a lot of headaches.
Thank you for the amazing videos, so useful and gold mine of information
Thanks for this! A day and a half trying to figure why my Lewmar v700 windlass would "seize up" when trying to let out line. The 2nd compound gear was the answer.. It is seized onto the shaft - both the lower roller sleeve and the lower gear. Would not budge even with using a vise as you described. Found a replacement gear set (needed the gasket and one other gear had some corrosion) for $139 at Mauripro sailing.
Second update. Ever time I watch your video I pick up on something else. Just before you took the assembly apart I noticed that you were getting the same approx 30 degrees of motion in either direction that I'm now getting. It was only after you took it apart and the dogs dropped out that you were able to spin it further. I still can't get the nut off but I don't think I need to. The collar is spinning freely and the gear tightens and loosens against the collar as you show it's supposed to. I think I'm good to put everything back together again. Glad I didn't try to force that gear to move more that the 30 degrees it already has.
Thank you sir!!! i've open my sprint 1000 and didn't notice this, so when i assemble the windlass he just spin for one side! after watching your video i as able to fix!
very useful video. I found that my assembly corroded. Can't take it apart,but thanks for the inspiration.
Hey thanks for the video! Any tips on getting that gear out? I am unable to pull it out of the housing. Is there a trick or Is it probably just corroded and I need to give hell ? Thanks! Tim
Thanks for the informative video.. try to remember we can only see what's in front of the camera lens. Lots of great shots of your hands 🙂👍
Sorry about that. New to filming
@@fishin4salmon Not at all I was just messing with you partner! I enjoyed your video and learned a lot about my PF700. Thank you!
Btw- I wasn’t paying attention to the direction of the 1816 bearing when I disassembled mine this weekend. The bearing was seized up and seized to the compound gear shaft so I had to pull the bearing out and all.. had to use a small torch and some force to pry it out.. which direction does the bearing need to spin when looking down at the open unit? I believe it needs to turn counter-clockwise.. Is that correct?
Thank you sir!
-Jeremy
@@fredsandford394 as far as I can recall the engraved numbers should face out of the hole.
Thanks for getting back to me. I will try that more wd40 and keep goin at it. Thanks!
I'm trying to find a Thrust needle bearing for my 550 pro sport. its the flat bearing between the two washers on the shaft. any idea where I might get one ?
someone mentioned it may be the needle bearings causing the lack of torque. Can those be serviced and how do you know if they are working properly? one set spins and the other does not? can those be repaired or replaced?
thank you
Hi. Excellent video. Do you know the reference for the washer bearing?
How can I get the compound gear assembly nut out so i can get to the screw behind the gear to pull the motor of my Horizon 500? You took the nut off out of camera range
Good morning, thanks for the reply. So when I removed the cover plate and exposed the gears I then pulled off the smaller gears by hand which left the motor with no gearing attached. At that point when I operated the up/down switch the motor worked in both directions. After putting the gears back on everything worked. Possibly there was just some surface corrosion preventing the reverse even though everything was well greased with no signs of corrosion or water intrusion. So on face value everything seems ok but I have 2 questions.
Easy one first, why does the output shaft that the chain dogs go on have two keyways cut in the shaft? I thought that I had lost the keys when I removed the dogs but I don't see any keys on the schematic that would go in those keyways.
Second and more importantly, I'm not sure if the intermediate shaft sleeve and the one way bearing are the same on my unit (2017 Pro Fish) as in your video on an older version. With that assembly in my hands I am able to "rock" the gear back and forth slightly on the shaft so it doesn't seem frozen but it's not free spinning either. I am tempted to place the assembly in my vise and try to work it free as you showed but I wanted to be sure that it is supposed to be able to operate as yours did and that the engineering didn't change. Thoughts?
Thank you Sir, very good video. Do you know Lewmar Sprint 500 and Horizon 500 use the same small compound gear and clutch ? and same one way bearing? Thank you for your time.
I can not say as I don't have that model.
@@fishin4salmon I guess the main reason of discontinuing Horizon 500 is the bad auto clutch design.
once the compound gear sticks will continue to fail?
Thanks for your videos. My Profish 100 will power in but when I push the console switch to power down I get nothing. I have disassembled the windlass/dogs side and it seemed fine. With nothing on the shaft the motor spins in the up direction but nothing happens trying the down switch. I'm assuming that since the motor works powering up but not down the problem is in the bearing? Just checking before I tear down the other side.
thanks.
Miles
Does the motor hum or make any sounds when it is powered on. If not I would first test the reversing solenoid. Check to see if it is powering the out side when you power down . It reverses the polarity to the windless. Test the input also. If you have power both ways It will be a seized intermediate shaft sleeve and one way bearing will be shot. It is in the main housing between the motor and the output shaft.
Update, after watching your video a couple more times I did notice that the nut you undid with your fingers is the same as mine. I didn't catch that it was flush inside the collar at first. However, I am unable to remove it either with my fingers or with needlenose pliars.
However, after bathing the assembly in WD-40 I was able to rotate the intermediate shaft more than just the "rocking motion" earlier. It still sticks but after about 30 degrees motion now. The bushing on the end of the shaft now spins freely. The assembly has been sitting in wd40 all day. I'm hesitant to apply heat due to the plastic washer and I don't really want to force anything. Or do I just force it and order new bearings. That's kind of how I'm leaning now. Thoughts?
When your anchor can be bulled out by hand ,it is caused by the corrosion on the clutch gear and bearing . Sorry about some of the frame shots.
Have you found any source for individual parts as opposed to having to purchase Lewmar's kits. I only needed the two washers and washer type bearing that is inside of the compound gear (Index #22) for a Gen 2 ProFish 1000. I had to purchase entire Compound Gear, kit #66000636 for $121 (Fisheries Supply).
Also a note regarding the parts schematic for a Gen 2; it states the bearing kit to be #66000103. This is for a Gen 1. The bearing kit you need is 66000634 and this is for both Gen 2 & 3.
The Gen 3 is a much improved windlass over the Gen 2. Biggest improvement is a gasket between the housing and cover.
Hi there
Do you know the differences between gen 1, 2 and 3? I can’t find any info online about this
@chaoul12 Not sure of differences btw 1 and 2 other than some refinements, but Gen 3 has some var teflon washers on var gears which required slightly longer shafts like on the compound gear and main gear. Also the neoprene Gasket for the cover.
@@donrichitt thanks a lot, very interesting to know that as lewmar tech support isn’t very helpful. This week based on serial number they told me i have gen3, but a year ago based on same serial number they had me order a gen1&2 replacement motor…
How did you unscrew that nut? I have soaked it for days. Thanks.
You said around the 8 minute mark, that the sleeve that sticks can bind up and prevent the anchor from going out. Is it the same for bringing the anchor in? Mine will deploy, but binds up on the way in.
I think it would be a combination of the sleeve and oneway bearing both seizing up.
Hi ! my shaft (where the dogs fit in) min 5:30 broke !!! Can I buy only the shaft ? do you know the ref. ? It´s a Pro 1000 1st Gen. I would deeply apreciate it. Thank you
dudley burlew says you are turning the clutch bearing nut on the opposite end the wrong way
Is the name of the bearing you focus on in this video the "clutch bearing"? I took mine apart and one of the washers that sandwich that flat bearing is cracked. I don't see those parts listed in the Lewmar manual. Do you know if Lewmar sells replacement parts?
Don't buy from Lewmar. Don't support them for poor engineering. Part number is AXK1226. Go online and put in number and find a local bearing dealer. Can get 10 with washers for 10-15 dollars. Same quality.
@Tom Wordell - Hi Tom, wondering if you found a suitable replacement for the flat washer that was cracked? My smaller of the two washers was broken in half. Thanks.
@@fishin4salmon Hi fishin4salmon - wondering if you can use the larger of the two washers that sandwich the flat bearing in place of the smaller washer? Thanks
My horizon 500 windlass will spin until a load is put on it and then stops as soon as chain attached?
Any ideas?
I just replaced with a new electric motor, but no tourque to pull the chain
Hi David, I am having a similar problem with my Horizon 600, it has tons of torque going down but when I go up the motor turns but I can easily stop it by hand. Motor seems fine inside and I see zero corrosion. Did you ever figure yours out?
Thanks,
Vik
Hi iam changing out that one way clutch bearing can it go either way around. thanks.
No, letters stamped on side must face out.
Okay thanks
its like there is no torque to the windlass
Try soaking it with wd40. Work it forward and backwards occasionally. The bearings are poor quality. They rust badly when moisture gets in the housing. These windless should be torn down annually to avoid rust.
where do i get the flat Bearing
Try auto bearing suppliers. Also try google with part number. Should bring up a local supplier.
AXK-1226
AXK 1226 is the common part number. Ebay is a good place to buy bulk for cheep. AXK1226 with washers. If you have time as shipping can take around 1.5 months to Canada. Got 10 for cheep. I do an annual teardown and re-grease. The thrust needle bearing and one way bearing is a common problem. Below is a random link to view.
www.ebay.ca/itm/AXK1226-Thrust-Needle-Roller-Bearing-With-Two-Washers-12mm-x-26mm-x-2mm-/141778176551?hash=item2102a34a27:g:B9kAAOSwQTVV-7M5
Thank you for the AEX1226 part number. It comes with 2 washers, one of which matches the larger washer used. Any help/ideas on locating the smaller washer. The old one is disintegrated into many pieces. The larger washer is 25.8mm. I estimate the smaller washer at 23.9mm.
Again thanks for your videos.
@@donrichitt Hi Donald, I also found the smaller of the two flat washers broken in half. Did you find a replacement/alternative that has worked for you? Thanks!
@@landryprice8468 The needle bearing kit (AEX1226) can be found on Amazon or Ebay. I have ordered a few of these for future teardowns. The issue with one of the original washers being smaller (24mm) is still unsolved by me. I was hoping fishin4salmon would respond. My concern will be finding a washer that can withstand the abuse it will be subjected to.
THRUST WASHERS AXK 1226 comes with 2 washers. 12mm id 26mm od 2mm overall thickness.
www.amazon.ca/uxcell-AXK1226-Thrust-Bearings-Washers/dp/B08FHT1RN8/ref=sr_1_4?crid=3BFAPQUJZSGWA&keywords=AXK1226&qid=1661104573&s=industrial&sprefix=axk1226%2Cindustrial%2C118&sr=1-4
Yeah, These things are Junk!
Made to be problematic if you ask me.
Not worth the money or the time and effort.
I wouldn't put holes in my boat and then wait for this to happen.
My Horizon 500 clunked out due to this very gear/clutch damaged, struggle to find this small gear/clutch. This video gives me some clue that this small center gear/clutch off Sprint windlass may be the same as Horizon.