Like they say, "drunk words are sober thoughts." Alcohol doesn't make anyone do anything out of character, it only aggravates existing character traits.
This is what I came here to say. I think it's utter bullsh*t that they can be charged with manslaughter when it's not REALLY an accident if they meant to do harm. We ALL know by now that you can kill with even one punch so why is it acceptable to beat someone in a drunken rage and then chalk it up to "well, I was drunk and did an oopsie!" That just doesn't pan out for me. It may not be premeditated but you MEANT to cause grievous harm knowing it could very well lead to death.
If it's an alcoholic, person can't just stop, it's a mental illness. Doesn't make anyone not being responsible, but I don't see anything intentional in it.
Exactly! What did the court think happened? She stumbled, fell into the oven, buried herself, redid the brickwork, and died at some point, and the husband was just an innocent bystander?
Nobody said he had nothing to do with her being there. It was just no evidence that it was murder as opposed to accidental. You need to listen before reacting. Thank God you're not a judge or a cop or a solicitor or a teacher or anything employed. Yikes.
@@Elvoalven What the question was was whether he'd killed her. It's a given he'd buried her body inside his house. It also doesn't make sense for a man to bury a body like that if he had nothing to hide. I mean.... that was a LOT of work. But... it's still not proof he killed her.
@@Kimchiboy08 no, i have not been there, I live on the other side of Finland and it has been demolished for some time ago .. i can link a video of the house remains, it's not much to look at cause, u can like only see chopped wood etc and well the surroundings of the house.
@Platonic Rainy I agree with you but I’d like to add on that we might not hear stories about victims haunting their killers/abusers because we’d have to hear about it from the killers/abusers themselves. And theres not a big chance they’ll admit something like that
How sad. May Hilka rest in peace 🕊️💐 Thank God for her son, who never gave up on finding out what happened to his mother. I hope Hilka’s influence was as strong on the other children as it was on the oldest son and that they lived happy, productive lives in honor of their mother. Because The father died in squalor and all alone that speaks volumes about how (in contrast to his wife) cared for he was. I hope in his final days he was tormented with the memories of what he had done.
The fact the son never gave up searching for an answer is honourable, and how the woman's body was found on her birthday is sad but also like a gift for her children to have her be able to be put to peace properly.
Binge watching your videos. I especially enjoy the ones that take place back in the 19th-early 20th century. You have a very soothing voice for narrating
This case has stuck with me ever since I heard it. I can't believe the husband got away with disappearing his wife. (I can't believe how common it is for people to conduct poor search's) It's taught me to observe, and always stay curious in difficult situations, u never know what might be hidden, because it's so sad he hid her inside that brick 🧱 stove part of the house. She was right there all this time yet so many people didn't even do a thorough search for any possible hideout area's.
Would you have thought of taking apart a fireplace/oven, brick by brick when it did not appear odd? He knew how to make it look normal. Imagine if he had been innocent?
@@joeldejonge2986 I wouldn't have said it if I wasn't serious. I encourage logical thinking. It's simply not logical to think that police should have walked into that dilapidated, ramshackle cottage and thought, "This place is filled with debris and junk. It looks like a bomb went off. I think we should take apart this oven brick by brick."
I’ve been watching a lot of Unsolved Mysteries recently, and it’s incredibly depressing to see how many of these unsolved cases are of missing women with husbands and boyfriend who are abusive/having affairs/heavily indebted, some of who even GO ON THE SHOW claiming they’re looking for their wife, when her friend and family are talking about how the couple fought all the time, and she was planning to leave. There are just a few too many missing women with WAY too suspicious husbands, and their cases go unsolved because their bodies are never found.
@@VioletJoy The son specifically told them that he thought her body was in the oven. It’s pretty logical to look at it when someone specifically says to do so and has solid reasons for it.
I was just reading about the case here in Finland. What baffled me most was that the son told the police he killed his wife and noone cared and the fact that he could completely get away with it without any kind of punishment is just astonishing. This tells how much a life of a woman is worth there. Domestic violence in connection with alcoholism is a MASSIVE problem here.
At the time of this crime , domestic violence wasn’t taken seriously anywhere. The police didn’t want to know about it and there was very little a woman could do unless she was wealthy and had a support network.
In 1960 most countries didn’t allow women to have their own bank accounts in their name. It was acceptable to hit your wife and kids in most places. We’ve definitely come a long way
The sad plight of many women pretty much everywhere. It varies to some degree depending on culture, socioeconomic background, education, etc. And yeah, we've come a long way, but there's still loads to do. RIP Hilkaa
Oh, this makes me so incredibly sad, I don't even have words... awful! Her poor son, he was just a kid but he tried to find his mom, he loved her. Good boy, I'm sorry he had to live that life.
The ultimate outcome of this case is INFURIATING! A jury found him guilty as a result of a circumstantial case... why couldn't the judge allow the verdict to stand, especially given that as a stone mason, it wouldve taken someone with the know-how to put Hilka into the oven, and replace the brickwork so well only the son recognized it upon closer inspection... and MANSLAUGHTER?! The court case in this story reminds me of the Casey Anthony verdict. There was a mass of circumstantial evidence to show Casey killed her daughter, but without a cause of death, her defense of accidental drowning was a "reasonable" enough doubt to find her not guilty. We all know that "not guilty" does NOT mean "innocent," though!
They went for first degree murder charges which they couldn't prove due to the state dropping the ball had they gone for second degree they'd have her in jail
@@indiatastic yes! Poor kid was looking forward to a family Christmas n got a weird drunk father, A freezing hut, A banned kitchen of all things. It would be obvious there'd be no Christmas dinner.
I had the same experience. I was married to a narcissistic, gaslighting violent man from 2008 ~ 2014. I went through hell with this man. I brought 2 kids into that situation & my son, the older of the 2 called the police every time I got beat. On one occasion, the police were called & they reported ME to CAS & threatened to take the kids out, even though they were young teenagers at the time & leave me with this asshole. Needless to say, I never called the cops again & crap got worse. The way it works here, if women don't have kids and are trying to leave DV situations, they are NOT eligible for any government assisstance..you do not qualify for housing, welfare..you're lucky if you get legal aid to pay for a lawyer. They assume you canget a job & pay your own way out..its absolutely horrid. Listen, I had a full time job..& the way these narcissists work is, one ofthe 1st things they gaslight you is, you dont need a job anymore because you now have them & they will " takecare of you" & you dont need friends / family because you have them.,arent they good enough for you?... As I said, I had a full time job & this absolute loon used to drive me to work ( i dont drive) again, gaslighting it under the guise, so I donthave to take the bus in the cold..& he would hotbox me in there while he went off like a roman candle about my kids, church, why do i need a jobfor..you name it. Same thing on my lunch break. It got so bad, he got banned from the store ( where I worked) while I was there. Once home, same thing.,,7 1/2 years of it. I was lucky, very lucky to get out...but it was hard..they didnt want to help my kids..I was told to leave them behind. 😢 Who can hold a job while dealing with this insanity.. Im so angry that there are stories like this one that are still told...so damn angry...we were told in 1989 when Charles Stuart killed his pregnant wife that they were going to get tougher onthese guys who do this. So many ladies ( & children..watch ELIZABETH'S CHRONICALS...Its shocking how many cases such as this there are...going back DECADES ( remember Farrah Fawcett inthe burning bed as Francine Huges..that was in the late 50s or early 60s ) & here we are 2023 & nothing has changed..men still getting away with this shit.
Finland's prisons are pretty comfy so maybe it was more fitting that he spent his last years in the squalid room where he killed & hid his wife's body.
So her decomposing body didn't stink up the house at all? How was he not charged with concealment of a body then? Anyhow, her poor kids, especially that son. We just had a case here in Chicago that unraveled over the last couple days of a mom that stored her mom's body in a freezer in a garage, presumably to keep cashing her checks that were coming in... absolutely disgusting!! Anyhow, thanks for the video and have a lovely weekend!
The way that type of brick oven is made is that no moisture gets in, the air is constantly circulating unless you close the vents. The body was drying in there and all the smell, if it even got out, when up in the air through the chimney. And Pentti was a master mason so he knew what he was doing. (Source: Born Finnish and this is a story that keeps up coming in the finnish crime-tv every so often.)
There are SO many stories like this - hiding grandma's body for the check. And people killing their children and keeping them around. One lady had 2 kids in a chest freezer, one had her kid in her nightstand, a couple had a few babies in a storage unit.... there was some old drag queen who died and they found a 30yo corpse back in his closet. I wonder if there's at least one corpse in every neighborhood....
I was a hardcore drug addict for 13 years. Shot heroin, meth, drank, smoked crack, PCP, you name it. I have NEVER killed someone or harmed someone severely while drunk or high.
A terrible tragedy 😞 💔 Poor Hilkka deserved so much better... I have heard the house stood abandoned for many years but was finally torn down a few years ago. (correct me if I'm wrong)
It’s so sad that even when all circumstantial evidence points to one person, you can’t do much without any concrete evidence. It’s pretty clear to me that Pentti likely murdered his poor wife, based on all of his past abusive behavior, and his suspicious behavior with Seppo’s visit to the house.
A good video. I'm surprised that this attracts attention even abroad. There are a few inaccuracies though: -Pentti was not initially convicted of manslaughter, but of grievous bodily harm, and given close to the maximum sentence (8 years) for it. This was something they could actually technically pin on him, as numerous people had seen Hilkka's injuries at his hands and heard her complaints about them, including doctors and nurses who gave her medical attention. It's actually probable that the lower court that passed the sentence was fully aware that it would not stand, but wanted to mete out at least a little bit of justice to Pentti for what he had done, in any way they could. -The house does not "stand like this to this day", as it was dismantled in 2015. This case had a lot of judicial seams that it kinda fell through, the main factor being that the body had been in the oven for so long that no cause of death could be established so there was no way they could prove murder (which is the only charge that never expires in Finland) AND all of the possible lesser charges had expired already; there was always the reasonable doubt that she could have died accidentally and he merely hid the body, being afraid that he would be naturally blamed for her death anyway. This is the main reason that "everybody knew he did it", yet he could not be convicted of anything. If only the police had reacted to Seppo's first letter, something better could have been done. There is one thing though: Reading all of the material around the case that is publicly available, one can get a hint between the lines that Hilkka was not exactly an angel herself. (Difficult info to come by, as naturally the victim is always painted in the best possible light in these cases.) This may explain to some degree why the kids were taken from them (not normal in simple domestic abuse cases if the abuse is not actively directed towards the kids) and why the theory that maybe she really had simply upped and left was given so much weight, by the authorities and others - or any weight at all. Even Seppo himself waited six years and conducted his own various investigations until writing that letter and sending it - he didn't walk straight to the police and say his mum's dead and his dad killed her, he's certain of it, and you need to figure out what's what. Later on, locals nicknamed Pentti "the free mason".
@@pereirafernando7413 I don't know, I don't think so. Maybe more "abusive" in not taking care of the kids properly & having issues with alcohol herself.
An utter and absolute tragedy. The police's handling of this case is appalling. The former chief of police in charge ought to have been charged with gross dereliction of duty.
Why are drunks always like this? Why are abusive alcoholics always so SADISTIC? I also have to say that, along with the Lake Bodom case and maybe some others, this is the second or third case I've seen to paint Finnish law enforcement, and its courts, in a very bad light.
In defense of my Finnish brothers and sisters, this case was in 1960, as was Lake Bodom. U cant compare their police anno 1960 to todays police anywhere. They have come a long way, as has thankfully most places. If u go back that far, u will find such cases in every country, some where they simply did not have the capabilities, where they were outmatched by never-b4-seen horrendous crimes and didnt know how to take it on, and sadly some like poor Hilkka left to fend for herself, coz back then women had very little rights, domestic violence was not taken seriously anywhere. Men hitting their wives and children? Police didnt want to know, every1 just looked the other way. Most countries didnt even have any applicable legislation. Im sure, its the same for ur country, if u look back to 1960 and look for cases of family abuse/murder and unsolved cases of police bungling and/or lack of forensics. For all the problems we have today, there has been enormous change over the last 60 years.
It was no different anywhere else in the world including here in Australia. Domestic violence wasn't even a thing, kids weren't taken seriously and even now nobody can be charged without evidence. It was 1960's. I'm absolutely astounded at how ignorant people are to different times. Just cruising through life thinking we've all had it this good since the dawn of time.
What a monster. What a crap justice system and to think it still goes on to this day. Monsters abusing their partners,killing them even and getting away with murder on points of law. I am glad the children survived,just barely so it seems.
That poor, poor woman. A life of loss, degradation and cruelty. Her children taken from her because of her husband's bad behaviour. Her life taken from her because of the same. At least her son loved her and never forgot her.
Another heartbreaking story told with such detail and profound insight and respect. RIP Angel's 🕊🦋🌾🌺 This is so sad and maddening. 🤦♀️💔🤬 Unbelievable. Thank you for another upload. 👍❤️🩹 God bless 👑🙏🕊💚🤍💚
At the beginning, I was so hoping that when her older son even though he was 13 and that would be a traumatic that he was going home to save his mother and pushes dad into the oven dammit😢
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Wow, so on top of everything terrible about that "father", he lived with her mummified corpse for years?!? I hope at least he heard noises in the night and couldn't sleep! 🤢 Bless her son
I have to make an assumption here, regarding this case. Most legal systems accept that the existence of a body does not always mean that the cause of death was deliberate murder. There have been a few cases in other countries, where a body has been found, and the most the person has been charged with was concealing a body. No obvious sign of cause of death, so unable to prove it was actual murder. It could be natural causes, or drug/drink excess, and the person panics. Stupidly shouldn’t get you a life sentence, otherwise everyone would be in jail. In this case, yes, he probably murdered her, but the 1970’s was still very misogynistic, and villages like to become civilised at glacial speed. But the fact that he buried her in the oven, then later lived with the dismantled stone oven, does not bode well as a good sign of mental health, neither does having drunken rages in the first place. I would also imagine that since folk in the village reported her missing, he was then never on the ‘good neighbour’ list, and was treated accordingly.
This is a case from my hometown. The house has been demolished at least for ~15 years, but I remember that couple of my friends went there before that. I actually thought it was a creepy place. When we were in our teens, everybody was still interested in the subject, but now nobody talks about it. Interesting, but sad case. Hope everybody involved has found their peace.
This is one of those cases that just makes me realize how much I don’t know…I feel like I should have heard of it before, but I hadn’t. And English sources online are relatively vague. Thank you for posting this!
Yes@@ at first they are very polite and needed of attention. When they get it, they feel in control, x theyre insecure and selfdestructive. But talking can be fun
In Finland we used have this terrible joke or a saying that people (mostly males) would say that I think is based on this case! Like people would joke that they had bricked (hopefully the right term) their wife when she hadn’t behaved well (or like they wanted). It luckily doesn’t seem to be a thing anymore which is great but I remember it when I was a child. And of course it is a story to be told by parents to their kids to scare them off. But basically this case is truly sad because the son would post about his beliefs to this magazine for years and try to get the police to search the oven but would always be declined and called crazy and stuff. When literally all the evidence was there! And the son had said that the father had confessed to the crime and joking casually about it in front of his friend and stuff. It was like everybody knew it but didn’t do anything because violence at home was normal then. Especially between spouses. The wife had been at the neighbors many times and told about her home life. And the medical records were there too! Thank you for making this video about this case! ❤ And I really hope that everyone related to the wife have found peace!
The victim here came to my hide from the violent husband several times to my grandma's house. My dad said that everybody was scared of that guy long before the murder happened
I have heard so many crime stories where someone close to the victim goes to police but gets ignored. How many people have died because police refused to listen to a family member with legitimate information? All it does is make the police look terrible when it comes out the information needed to save someone or find someone was given to them at the start but ignored.
These cases are infuriating. Everyone, including the son, thought nothing at all about her sudden and inexplicable disappearance. No wonder the police weren't so bothered either. What a family!
I don't think much of Finnish "justice". He had clearly known the body was there and kept it hidden rather than reporting it to police - that's more than enough for a manslaughter charge to stick in a "beyond reasonable doubt" justice system. But apparently Finland has some other system.
Maybe, just maybe, in this single instance living in abject squalor in the same halfway destroyed room as the one where he murdered someone who had once loved him, with everyone in the small community knowing what he was and what he had done and detesting every moment of his presence the moment he stepped out of that house was a more fitting punishment than a bog standard jail cell. That would feasibly have heat, someone feeding him, someone cleaning the place, chances to work for treats and the chance to socialise with other people just as miserably shitty as he was. No justice was done for the poor woman, but maybe he almost reached the level of personal misery he deserved. I'd even hesitate to say he deserved someone to stumble in every few days to do what he did to her before he murdered her, because at least that would be an event. Just being left to rot with the house in unending silence just seems more appropriate.
Sadly, this is how it starts. NO person taking their first sip of alcohol or a tiny bit of drugs does it so they can become addicted to either thing. Think about it and abstain! Neither add anything to your life and if you're a Christian neither add anything to your walk with God. Thank you for the video!
"Search without due cause"? A woman who has been a victim of her husband's violence for years vanishes, a whole village was witness of her bruises. The children of that couple were taken from the parents because of neglect and starvation. That is a form if violence, too and it should be obvious to anyone. And there was a son who could clearly describe the mess he found in the house und the evidence that made him think that his father had hidden his mother's body in the oven. Everyone who does not want to see a due cause here doesn't want to see it. Things like that can only happen in societies that want to misunderstand irgnorance of male violence as respect of privacy. Im quite sure that something like that would not happen in Finland nowadays, but I can only hope that I am right.
Hilka would be so proud of her son, for never giving up on her, he knew what his father was capable of, I hope she haunted her husband till the end of his squalid life,
Killing someone in a drunken rage is still murder You don't accidentally fall into a bottle of vodka, or two You also don't accidentally dismantle a fireplace, fetch send from the barn, squeeze a body into a tiny hole, Bury her in sand, and rebuild the fireplace Everytime I hear this story,, I wonder if Hilkka was still alive when he put her in there... R.I.P Hilkka, you are loved, and will not be forgotten 🌻 🌈 🌠 ❣️
Another country where femicide isn't taken seriously? Sad. Also, they don't know "how she got in the oven"?? Well, here's a hint, lads - she probably didn't put HERSELF in there. Honestly, the things people can come up with to avoid doing the right thing is both amazing and depressing.
Homicide not femicide. And they do know how she got in there. He put her there. They just don't know how she died. Maybe you should pay more attention instead of making up stupid woke terminology.
@@cincin4515 femicide is just a more specific word for the murder of a woman…its not a made up woke word. maybe read a book and stop dismissing crimes against women 😘
@@cincin4515 so what makes it not a femicide? but first, real question, what is your understanding about femicide? do you even know how much of a real and raw effect it has on the female population in some countries even to this day, notably central american? it’s laughable to see people crying the word “woke” for everything, especially the thing in question has been prevalent for decades now.
what can be said about this; a few choice words for the police investigation: dissociative, unempathic , pitiful, pathetic, heartless, sorry, ignorant, etc.
So the moral of this story (and so many others I've watched) is don't believe the police will help you and take circumstances into your own hands. All the police in this story should have been sacked and their pensions removed.
Poor Hilka! She suffered so much...and I cannot fantom HOW any court thought it was good decision to let her husband go? Bc what? "it was an accident?" I highly doubt it, but EVEN IF, he killed her bc he was abusing her so badly. He killed her while wanting to hurt her. He'd been abusing her for years. He showed no regret whatsoever about the incident, so it shows to me he's not sorry for this "accident" and didn't care. He lived with her corpse in that oven for 12 years. God the past was awful. Nowadays there'd might be preserved DNA if her body was only buried and muffied. There might've been something on her clothes or examination might've showed something.,
There’s no such thing as an accident when you know you are prone to drunken rages. If you know that about yourself, you’re at fault and all actions you do during that rage when you decide to drink.
No such thing as accidental drunken rage. If you are violent when drunk then it is intentionally done
Like they say, "drunk words are sober thoughts." Alcohol doesn't make anyone do anything out of character, it only aggravates existing character traits.
EXACTLY ..ZILLA FILMS
This is what I came here to say.
I think it's utter bullsh*t that they can be charged with manslaughter when it's not REALLY an accident if they meant to do harm. We ALL know by now that you can kill with even one punch so why is it acceptable to beat someone in a drunken rage and then chalk it up to "well, I was drunk and did an oopsie!" That just doesn't pan out for me. It may not be premeditated but you MEANT to cause grievous harm knowing it could very well lead to death.
Honestly I don’t have it in me. I’d go to sleep in a corner b4 becoming angry.
If it's an alcoholic, person can't just stop, it's a mental illness. Doesn't make anyone not being responsible, but I don't see anything intentional in it.
Imagine being a 13 year old boy and knowing your father murdered your mother to the point you're looking for where he hid her body...
Heartbreaking 💔
Absolutely gutting. BUT he would be the best one to know or find out. Really.
What's awful is him having to identify her body 10 years after she was dead. How gruesome and haunting. 😢
So sad. The children should have stayed with their mother and dad should have been removed from the home. Everyone failed this woman. RIP ❣️
Not the way it works even in this country..
@@novallasuter5265 Sad but true.
If you have nothing to do with the death of someone, you don’t shove their body into a freaking oven
Exactly! What did the court think happened? She stumbled, fell into the oven, buried herself, redid the brickwork, and died at some point, and the husband was just an innocent bystander?
Nobody said he had nothing to do with her being there. It was just no evidence that it was murder as opposed to accidental. You need to listen before reacting. Thank God you're not a judge or a cop or a solicitor or a teacher or anything employed. Yikes.
@@cincin4515 But that makes no sense with the evidence presented. It doesn’t seem possible that she could have fallen in there and bricked herself in.
@@cincin4515 Also how do you know they’re not a judge or a police officer or the like? Do you know them in real life? 😅
@@Elvoalven What the question was was whether he'd killed her. It's a given he'd buried her body inside his house. It also doesn't make sense for a man to bury a body like that if he had nothing to hide. I mean.... that was a LOT of work. But... it's still not proof he killed her.
What a truly creepy case. That poor woman. Good on her son for being so persistent with the police
Thank you for covering Hilkkas case, it is seriously a disturbing one.
Also hi from Finland 🇫🇮
Have you ever been to the house if it exists?
Hi from America! Love you! 🇺🇸 🇫🇮❤️
@@Kimchiboy08 no, i have not been there, I live on the other side of Finland and it has been demolished for some time ago .. i can link a video of the house remains, it's not much to look at cause, u can like only see chopped wood etc and well the surroundings of the house.
ua-cam.com/video/yucZGO-TzKs/v-deo.html the link to the video I mention above.
@@elisakatarina1435 Hi Elisa, thanks, please send link.
I liked the photo at the end of Hillka’s children putting flowers on their mums grave. Very touching.
Wow! How he got away with it is beyond terrible. Thank you. Another great narration.
These are the cases I like to think the victim's ghost terrorized their murderer to insanity.
No. He had a good old time drinking himself to death.
@Platonic Rainy I agree with you but I’d like to add on that we might not hear stories about victims haunting their killers/abusers because we’d have to hear about it from the killers/abusers themselves. And theres not a big chance they’ll admit something like that
How sad. May Hilka rest in peace 🕊️💐 Thank God for her son, who never gave up on finding out what happened to his mother. I hope Hilka’s influence was as strong on the other children as it was on the oldest son and that they lived happy, productive lives in honor of their mother. Because The father died in squalor and all alone that speaks volumes about how (in contrast to his wife) cared for he was. I hope in his final days he was tormented with the memories of what he had done.
Ameen. I agree with you. You Said exactly what was on my mind.
Exactly very well put😁
Hilkka. Could at least written her name right.
@@Boxofcare666 some people arent native Finnish speakers.
Hilkka and Pentti!
The fact the son never gave up searching for an answer is honourable, and how the woman's body was found on her birthday is sad but also like a gift for her children to have her be able to be put to peace properly.
That poor boy. What he went through to get authorities to do something...bless his heart and soul. 🌹
I remember that case! I think Hilkka also struggle to leave because they bought her childhood home and she would have had left that behind as well
Hilkka*
@@kiiltochii1607 sorry, i'll correct it
Binge watching your videos. I especially enjoy the ones that take place back in the 19th-early 20th century. You have a very soothing voice for narrating
This case has stuck with me ever since I heard it. I can't believe the husband got away with disappearing his wife. (I can't believe how common it is for people to conduct poor search's) It's taught me to observe, and always stay curious in difficult situations, u never know what might be hidden, because it's so sad he hid her inside that brick 🧱 stove part of the house. She was right there all this time yet so many people didn't even do a thorough search for any possible hideout area's.
Would you have thought of taking apart a fireplace/oven, brick by brick when it did not appear odd? He knew how to make it look normal. Imagine if he had been innocent?
Are you serious violet?
@@joeldejonge2986 I wouldn't have said it if I wasn't serious. I encourage logical thinking. It's simply not logical to think that police should have walked into that dilapidated, ramshackle cottage and thought, "This place is filled with debris and junk. It looks like a bomb went off. I think we should take apart this oven brick by brick."
I’ve been watching a lot of Unsolved Mysteries recently, and it’s incredibly depressing to see how many of these unsolved cases are of missing women with husbands and boyfriend who are abusive/having affairs/heavily indebted, some of who even GO ON THE SHOW claiming they’re looking for their wife, when her friend and family are talking about how the couple fought all the time, and she was planning to leave.
There are just a few too many missing women with WAY too suspicious husbands, and their cases go unsolved because their bodies are never found.
@@VioletJoy The son specifically told them that he thought her body was in the oven. It’s pretty logical to look at it when someone specifically says to do so and has solid reasons for it.
This was one crazy and tragic case. This poor woman. Thank you for covering this case. Greetings from Norway 🥰
Hello Norway- My husband is part Norwegian.
I was just reading about the case here in Finland. What baffled me most was that the son told the police he killed his wife and noone cared and the fact that he could completely get away with it without any kind of punishment is just astonishing. This tells how much a life of a woman is worth there. Domestic violence in connection with alcoholism is a MASSIVE problem here.
At the time of this crime , domestic violence wasn’t taken seriously anywhere. The police didn’t want to know about it and there was very little a woman could do unless she was wealthy and had a support network.
In 1960 most countries didn’t allow women to have their own bank accounts in their name. It was acceptable to hit your wife and kids in most places. We’ve definitely come a long way
@@emilybarclay8831 Not far enough.
1960's. Different time. Domestic violence wasn't even a thing back then and kids weren't taken seriously. Even in Australia.
@@MTW3095 Sure? A man and his whole life can be destroyed by a few words uttered by an angry woman. That's quite a change...
The sad plight of many women pretty much everywhere. It varies to some degree depending on culture, socioeconomic background, education, etc. And yeah, we've come a long way, but there's still loads to do.
RIP Hilkaa
Oh, this makes me so incredibly sad, I don't even have words... awful! Her poor son, he was just a kid but he tried to find his mom, he loved her. Good boy, I'm sorry he had to live that life.
The ultimate outcome of this case is INFURIATING! A jury found him guilty as a result of a circumstantial case... why couldn't the judge allow the verdict to stand, especially given that as a stone mason, it wouldve taken someone with the know-how to put Hilka into the oven, and replace the brickwork so well only the son recognized it upon closer inspection... and MANSLAUGHTER?! The court case in this story reminds me of the Casey Anthony verdict. There was a mass of circumstantial evidence to show Casey killed her daughter, but without a cause of death, her defense of accidental drowning was a "reasonable" enough doubt to find her not guilty. We all know that "not guilty" does NOT mean "innocent," though!
They went for first degree murder charges which they couldn't prove due to the state dropping the ball had they gone for second degree they'd have her in jail
Off topic a little perhaps but it's unsurprising the friend left early. It must have been an uncomfortable stay both physically and psychologically.
I would love to hear what he said about that trip. The stories!
@@indiatastic yes! Poor kid was looking forward to a family Christmas n got a weird drunk father, A freezing hut, A banned kitchen of all things. It would be obvious there'd be no Christmas dinner.
@@bilindalaw-morley161 He's the type of guy who would survive a horror movie. "Ehh, this is creepy. I'm out."
Lol I was thinking the same SMH
Gonna be a good day when courts stop believing "he was drunk" is a good defense.
As a Finn intrested in true crime, thank you.
Hello from the USA 🇺🇸 Sorry we had to meet under such tragic circumstances 😢 💔
I already know by the title just how disturbing this case is
I’m horrified !!!!! 😮😢
Apparently some ovens were murdered.
I had the same experience. I was married to a narcissistic, gaslighting violent man from 2008 ~ 2014. I went through hell with this man. I brought 2 kids into that situation & my son, the older of the 2 called the police every time I got beat. On one occasion, the police were called & they reported ME to CAS & threatened to take the kids out, even though they were young teenagers at the time & leave me with this asshole. Needless to say, I never called the cops again & crap got worse. The way it works here, if women don't have kids and are trying to leave DV situations, they are NOT eligible for any government assisstance..you do not qualify for housing, welfare..you're lucky if you get legal aid to pay for a lawyer. They assume you canget a job & pay your own way out..its absolutely horrid. Listen, I had a full time job..& the way these narcissists work is, one ofthe 1st things they gaslight you is, you dont need a job anymore because you now have them & they will " takecare of you" & you dont need friends / family because you have them.,arent they good enough for you?... As I said, I had a full time job & this absolute loon used to drive me to work ( i dont drive) again, gaslighting it under the guise, so I donthave to take the bus in the cold..& he would hotbox me in there while he went off like a roman candle about my kids, church, why do i need a jobfor..you name it. Same thing on my lunch break. It got so bad, he got banned from the store ( where I worked) while I was there. Once home, same thing.,,7 1/2 years of it. I was lucky, very lucky to get out...but it was hard..they didnt want to help my kids..I was told to leave them behind. 😢 Who can hold a job while dealing with this insanity.. Im so angry that there are stories like this one that are still told...so damn angry...we were told in 1989 when Charles Stuart killed his pregnant wife that they were going to get tougher onthese guys who do this. So many ladies ( & children..watch ELIZABETH'S CHRONICALS...Its shocking how many cases such as this there are...going back DECADES ( remember Farrah Fawcett inthe burning bed as Francine Huges..that was in the late 50s or early 60s ) & here we are 2023 & nothing has changed..men still getting away with this shit.
Which country are you from ?
So glad you got out wishing you all the best & more ♥️♥️♥️♥️
Finland's prisons are pretty comfy so maybe it was more fitting that he spent his last years in the squalid room where he killed & hid his wife's body.
🙌 So true!
True..
A son never forgets...
Rest in memory Mother 🕊️
So her decomposing body didn't stink up the house at all? How was he not charged with concealment of a body then? Anyhow, her poor kids, especially that son.
We just had a case here in Chicago that unraveled over the last couple days of a mom that stored her mom's body in a freezer in a garage, presumably to keep cashing her checks that were coming in... absolutely disgusting!!
Anyhow, thanks for the video and have a lovely weekend!
The way that type of brick oven is made is that no moisture gets in, the air is constantly circulating unless you close the vents. The body was drying in there and all the smell, if it even got out, when up in the air through the chimney. And Pentti was a master mason so he knew what he was doing.
(Source: Born Finnish and this is a story that keeps up coming in the finnish crime-tv every so often.)
It was probably sealed in a way that it was basically a tomb.
@@meeapeea Okay, thanks for the info!
There are SO many stories like this - hiding grandma's body for the check. And people killing their children and keeping them around. One lady had 2 kids in a chest freezer, one had her kid in her nightstand, a couple had a few babies in a storage unit.... there was some old drag queen who died and they found a 30yo corpse back in his closet. I wonder if there's at least one corpse in every neighborhood....
@@indiatastic Could very well be... frightening to think about!
Well, it sounds he was miserable for the rest of his life, so that's good.
I was a hardcore drug addict for 13 years. Shot heroin, meth, drank, smoked crack, PCP, you name it. I have NEVER killed someone or harmed someone severely while drunk or high.
Thank you for remembering Hilkka❤️
The cops refused to lift a finger to investigate a missing woman? Must be a Tuesday.
A terrible tragedy 😞 💔 Poor Hilkka deserved so much better...
I have heard the house stood abandoned for many years but was finally torn down a few years ago. (correct me if I'm wrong)
there are modern pictures of it, they might be a few years old but the house was left abanadoned for far longer than you´d expect
It’s so sad that even when all circumstantial evidence points to one person, you can’t do much without any concrete evidence. It’s pretty clear to me that Pentti likely murdered his poor wife, based on all of his past abusive behavior, and his suspicious behavior with Seppo’s visit to the house.
Wow. More fabulous investigative work. Smh. Poor lady and poor kids. I hope they are all at peace now. Thanks DC🙏💔🕊️🦌
A good video. I'm surprised that this attracts attention even abroad. There are a few inaccuracies though:
-Pentti was not initially convicted of manslaughter, but of grievous bodily harm, and given close to the maximum sentence (8 years) for it. This was something they could actually technically pin on him, as numerous people had seen Hilkka's injuries at his hands and heard her complaints about them, including doctors and nurses who gave her medical attention. It's actually probable that the lower court that passed the sentence was fully aware that it would not stand, but wanted to mete out at least a little bit of justice to Pentti for what he had done, in any way they could.
-The house does not "stand like this to this day", as it was dismantled in 2015.
This case had a lot of judicial seams that it kinda fell through, the main factor being that the body had been in the oven for so long that no cause of death could be established so there was no way they could prove murder (which is the only charge that never expires in Finland) AND all of the possible lesser charges had expired already; there was always the reasonable doubt that she could have died accidentally and he merely hid the body, being afraid that he would be naturally blamed for her death anyway. This is the main reason that "everybody knew he did it", yet he could not be convicted of anything. If only the police had reacted to Seppo's first letter, something better could have been done. There is one thing though: Reading all of the material around the case that is publicly available, one can get a hint between the lines that Hilkka was not exactly an angel herself. (Difficult info to come by, as naturally the victim is always painted in the best possible light in these cases.) This may explain to some degree why the kids were taken from them (not normal in simple domestic abuse cases if the abuse is not actively directed towards the kids) and why the theory that maybe she really had simply upped and left was given so much weight, by the authorities and others - or any weight at all. Even Seppo himself waited six years and conducted his own various investigations until writing that letter and sending it - he didn't walk straight to the police and say his mum's dead and his dad killed her, he's certain of it, and you need to figure out what's what.
Later on, locals nicknamed Pentti "the free mason".
Under the Old Law, this situation was ground for publicly leaving him.
I'm intrigued. Was she abusive toward the kids as well?
@@pereirafernando7413 I don't know, I don't think so. Maybe more "abusive" in not taking care of the kids properly & having issues with alcohol herself.
An utter and absolute tragedy. The police's handling of this case is appalling. The former chief of police in charge ought to have been charged with gross dereliction of duty.
Why are drunks always like this? Why are abusive alcoholics always so SADISTIC?
I also have to say that, along with the Lake Bodom case and maybe some others, this is the second or third case I've seen to paint Finnish law enforcement, and its courts, in a very bad light.
In defense of my Finnish brothers and sisters, this case was in 1960, as was Lake Bodom. U cant compare their police anno 1960 to todays police anywhere. They have come a long way, as has thankfully most places.
If u go back that far, u will find such cases in every country, some where they simply did not have the capabilities, where they were outmatched by never-b4-seen horrendous crimes and didnt know how to take it on, and sadly some like poor Hilkka left to fend for herself, coz back then women had very little rights, domestic violence was not taken seriously anywhere. Men hitting their wives and children? Police didnt want to know, every1 just looked the other way. Most countries didnt even have any applicable legislation. Im sure, its the same for ur country, if u look back to 1960 and look for cases of family abuse/murder and unsolved cases of police bungling and/or lack of forensics.
For all the problems we have today, there has been enormous change over the last 60 years.
It was no different anywhere else in the world including here in Australia. Domestic violence wasn't even a thing, kids weren't taken seriously and even now nobody can be charged without evidence.
It was 1960's. I'm absolutely astounded at how ignorant people are to different times. Just cruising through life thinking we've all had it this good since the dawn of time.
@@dfuher968 the 5 children were taken out of the home because of the domestic violence so they must have taken it seriously.
@@cincin4515 they took the 5 kids out of the home how is that not taking it seriously
What a monster. What a crap justice system and to think it still goes on to this day. Monsters abusing their partners,killing them even and getting away with murder on points of law. I am glad the children survived,just barely so it seems.
That poor, poor woman. A life of loss, degradation and cruelty. Her children taken from her because of her husband's bad behaviour. Her life taken from her because of the same. At least her son loved her and never forgot her.
Another heartbreaking story told with such detail and profound insight and respect. RIP Angel's 🕊🦋🌾🌺
This is so sad and maddening. 🤦♀️💔🤬
Unbelievable.
Thank you for another upload. 👍❤️🩹
God bless 👑🙏🕊💚🤍💚
That is GRIM! Alas for the pain of that loving son.
At the beginning, I was so hoping that when her older son even though he was 13 and that would be a traumatic that he was going home to save his mother and pushes dad into the oven dammit😢
Thats a gross comment.
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Wow, so on top of everything terrible about that "father", he lived with her mummified corpse for years?!? I hope at least he heard noises in the night and couldn't sleep! 🤢 Bless her son
I have to make an assumption here, regarding this case.
Most legal systems accept that the existence of a body does not always mean that the cause of death was deliberate murder. There have been a few cases in other countries, where a body has been found, and the most the person has been charged with was concealing a body. No obvious sign of cause of death, so unable to prove it was actual murder. It could be natural causes, or drug/drink excess, and the person panics. Stupidly shouldn’t get you a life sentence, otherwise everyone would be in jail.
In this case, yes, he probably murdered her, but the 1970’s was still very misogynistic, and villages like to become civilised at glacial speed. But the fact that he buried her in the oven, then later lived with the dismantled stone oven, does not bode well as a good sign of mental health, neither does having drunken rages in the first place. I would also imagine that since folk in the village reported her missing, he was then never on the ‘good neighbour’ list, and was treated accordingly.
There should be no tolerance by the system for domestic abuse. The guy should have been arrested
Saying a prayer 🙏 for Hillka & her children. Glad Seppo pursued his Mother's case.
This is a case from my hometown. The house has been demolished at least for ~15 years, but I remember that couple of my friends went there before that. I actually thought it was a creepy place. When we were in our teens, everybody was still interested in the subject, but now nobody talks about it.
Interesting, but sad case. Hope everybody involved has found their peace.
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Imagine a world where men stopped killing women
This is one of those cases that just makes me realize how much I don’t know…I feel like I should have heard of it before, but I hadn’t. And English sources online are relatively vague.
Thank you for posting this!
the reality is weird murder cases.... number in the thousands, there's so many that reading them all takes quite a lot of time actually.
Ever try to have a reasonable conversation with an alcoholic?
Yes@@ at first they are very polite and needed of attention. When they get it, they feel in control, x theyre insecure and selfdestructive. But talking can be fun
thank you for bringing us this story. This case is very interesting and very disturbing at the same time.
In Finland we used have this terrible joke or a saying that people (mostly males) would say that I think is based on this case! Like people would joke that they had bricked (hopefully the right term) their wife when she hadn’t behaved well (or like they wanted). It luckily doesn’t seem to be a thing anymore which is great but I remember it when I was a child. And of course it is a story to be told by parents to their kids to scare them off.
But basically this case is truly sad because the son would post about his beliefs to this magazine for years and try to get the police to search the oven but would always be declined and called crazy and stuff. When literally all the evidence was there! And the son had said that the father had confessed to the crime and joking casually about it in front of his friend and stuff. It was like everybody knew it but didn’t do anything because violence at home was normal then. Especially between spouses. The wife had been at the neighbors many times and told about her home life. And the medical records were there too!
Thank you for making this video about this case! ❤ And I really hope that everyone related to the wife have found peace!
The victim here came to my hide from the violent husband several times to my grandma's house. My dad said that everybody was scared of that guy long before the murder happened
Well, everyone was to blame for that woman’s murder. No one protected her.
Odd that the father/criminal was not charged with not declaring a death or concealing a deceased person.
Very sad.
My granma lived next door to Saarinen back in the day when this happened.
Really? He meticulously checked the walls for seams that would reveal a hidden room, but neglected to look inside the huge stone oven??
Living in midwest MN in a area full of finnish history they prohibited drinking in many areas because of incidents like this.
Mn also. All other Scandie’s avoid the Finns. 😅
This is like a story from Grimm’s Fairy Tales
I have heard so many crime stories where someone close to the victim goes to police but gets ignored. How many people have died because police refused to listen to a family member with legitimate information? All it does is make the police look terrible when it comes out the information needed to save someone or find someone was given to them at the start but ignored.
These cases are infuriating. Everyone, including the son, thought nothing at all about her sudden and inexplicable disappearance. No wonder the police weren't so bothered either. What a family!
The son definitely thought something of her disappearance that’s why he write to the police
I don't think much of Finnish "justice". He had clearly known the body was there and kept it hidden rather than reporting it to police - that's more than enough for a manslaughter charge to stick in a "beyond reasonable doubt" justice system. But apparently Finland has some other system.
No it's not enough for a manslaughter charge. They don't know how she died.
Thats so dumb, she died on her own, yet he hid her body and lied to everyone? Yeah right.
A Finnish oven finished a Finn? That's disgusting. I wish she had left him in reality.
Maybe, just maybe, in this single instance living in abject squalor in the same halfway destroyed room as the one where he murdered someone who had once loved him, with everyone in the small community knowing what he was and what he had done and detesting every moment of his presence the moment he stepped out of that house was a more fitting punishment than a bog standard jail cell. That would feasibly have heat, someone feeding him, someone cleaning the place, chances to work for treats and the chance to socialise with other people just as miserably shitty as he was.
No justice was done for the poor woman, but maybe he almost reached the level of personal misery he deserved. I'd even hesitate to say he deserved someone to stumble in every few days to do what he did to her before he murdered her, because at least that would be an event. Just being left to rot with the house in unending silence just seems more appropriate.
I’m thinking Hansel and Gretel
Sadly, this is how it starts. NO person taking their first sip of alcohol or a tiny bit of drugs does it so they can become addicted to either thing. Think about it and abstain! Neither add anything to your life and if you're a Christian neither add anything to your walk with God.
Thank you for the video!
The bast majority of people who drink do so normally and responsibly what an odd comment.
I couldn't believe the police had ignored the boy's report of his father's suspicious behavior as well as his history of domestic violence.
Sounds like US justice system of today. DV is a cause that remains a great need of reform
Oven and True Crime not a good combination.
"Search without due cause"? A woman who has been a victim of her husband's violence for years vanishes, a whole village was witness of her bruises. The children of that couple were taken from the parents because of neglect and starvation. That is a form if violence, too and it should be obvious to anyone. And there was a son who could clearly describe the mess he found in the house und the evidence that made him think that his father had hidden his mother's body in the oven. Everyone who does not want to see a due cause here doesn't want to see it. Things like that can only happen in societies that want to misunderstand irgnorance of male violence as respect of privacy. Im quite sure that something like that would not happen in Finland nowadays, but I can only hope that I am right.
Time & Time again you can see through a situation & all plea’s for assistance are poorly acted upon, let alone literally endorsed.
Poor Hilka. Pentti did it! He was a masonere and bricked her inside. May Hilka rest in peace
Yup, our police and their way of working and investigating weren't great back them.. nice to see stories from my country too, Thank You ♥️♥️♥️
Thank you.
Very good. This one is rather grim for you ?
Or at least you made it quite creepy creative with voice.
Great channel as always.
Thank you.
If you are violent and go so far to cover up her death, it doesn’t matter if it was intentional or not.
The system absolutely failed that poor mother.
Hilka would be so proud of her son, for never giving up on her, he knew what his father was capable of, I hope she haunted her husband till the end of his squalid life,
This case reminds me of the movie "1922" except the son was actually a good person.
That way of life was the norm for so many women. Society and churches sanctioned this behavior and scolded the women.
Killing someone in a drunken rage is still murder
You don't accidentally fall into a bottle of vodka, or two
You also don't accidentally dismantle a fireplace, fetch send from the barn, squeeze a body into a tiny hole, Bury her in sand, and rebuild the fireplace
Everytime I hear this story,, I wonder if Hilkka was still alive when he put her in there...
R.I.P Hilkka, you are loved, and will not be forgotten 🌻 🌈 🌠 ❣️
Whoa..., That is so messed up 🥺
Oooh, cool to see this case here! (Waiting for everyone from Finland to suddenly crawl out into the comments, because 'Suomi mainittu' :D )
Torille? 😅
I think that house still exists but it’s obviously in a crappy condition.
Everyone be very careful who you marry.
I'm guessing Pentti was so useful to the community because of his profession everyone decided to look the other way
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I can't believe the sentence was so small, let alone being overturned! Who else would have bricked over the oven sections? 🦘🤨😖
Coz the legislation at the time didnt cover cases, where no cause of death could be established.
Another country where femicide isn't taken seriously? Sad. Also, they don't know "how she got in the oven"?? Well, here's a hint, lads - she probably didn't put HERSELF in there. Honestly, the things people can come up with to avoid doing the right thing is both amazing and depressing.
Homicide not femicide. And they do know how she got in there. He put her there. They just don't know how she died.
Maybe you should pay more attention instead of making up stupid woke terminology.
@@cincin4515 Triggered much? Also, femicide is an actual term - but I doubt your hard right xtian homeschooling exposed you to such words.
@@cincin4515 femicide is just a more specific word for the murder of a woman…its not a made up woke word. maybe read a book and stop dismissing crimes against women 😘
@@cincin4515 so what makes it not a femicide? but first, real question, what is your understanding about femicide? do you even know how much of a real and raw effect it has on the female population in some countries even to this day, notably central american? it’s laughable to see people crying the word “woke” for everything, especially the thing in question has been prevalent for decades now.
spooky stuff
what can be said about this; a few choice words for the police investigation: dissociative, unempathic , pitiful, pathetic, heartless, sorry, ignorant, etc.
💖☮️✨this story is tragic !!
kiitos
What???? He, at the very least, was violently abusive and concealed the body....no repercussions?
So the moral of this story (and so many others I've watched) is don't believe the police will help you and take circumstances into your own hands. All the police in this story should have been sacked and their pensions removed.
This is one of those true crime cases that just freaked me out
Poor Hilka! She suffered so much...and I cannot fantom HOW any court thought it was good decision to let her husband go? Bc what? "it was an accident?" I highly doubt it, but EVEN IF, he killed her bc he was abusing her so badly. He killed her while wanting to hurt her. He'd been abusing her for years. He showed no regret whatsoever about the incident, so it shows to me he's not sorry for this "accident" and didn't care. He lived with her corpse in that oven for 12 years. God the past was awful. Nowadays there'd might be preserved DNA if her body was only buried and muffied. There might've been something on her clothes or examination might've showed something.,
Omg this is horrible! The poor son, after all he did to find his mother. What is wrong with that judge? Who else could have done it?!
A missing patch of sand? Never mind. Addressed it later.
There’s no such thing as an accident when you know you are prone to drunken rages. If you know that about yourself, you’re at fault and all actions you do during that rage when you decide to drink.
There is a thing, called "war trauma related aggressiveness" tho..