Thank you for talking about player feedback being ignored, it feels like they only listen to the big figureheads in their community like recently, with how Inu was complaining that the health threshold for jumping into the void in depths was too forgiving, so they changed it to 75% if you’re getting attacked by a person, which is possibly the worst change made. And with agamatsu recently complaining about saltchemist as he got ganked by 4 people who were all saltchemists, and everyone’s basically anticipating a nerf today, even though everyone’s been complaining about saltchemist for months and every plea to nerf it has been ignored. It’s like the community has been conditioned to expect changes to only be made when a big youtuber complains about it. It’s messed up and borderline nepotism in some cases as some UA-camrs are friends with the devs.
Also punchee getting fadetrimmer nerfed because he ran it on a build that makes EVERY mantra do 4 deepilion damage and then made it out to be a problem with the oath and not the shit he's running
that is because the devs ONLY take suggestions from figureheads in the community. Atleast to my knowledge there has actually been no evidence of a community suggestion being added to deepwoken without the help of someone like agamatsu. they just don't care enough about the community to change it unless there is a dev/ mod that supports the change, unfortunately.
tbh I don't know why it was rushed. they made it in one week, did an update for it a week after it released, still has many problems and is repetitive, hasn't been updated or resolved since.
It wasn't even a week Arch said he "Pulled a Diluvian" which means he just woke up one day, 12 hours before the update and went "yeah I got time" (NO YOU DIDN'T)
yep. it was made in a day. so then a question arises: "tf were you guys doing for the rest of the week?" ik supposedly the dev team is split into different parts, with one group working on conquest, another doing weeklies, so on and so forth, and they also need to """"""test"""""" (optional as deepwoken has proved) for bugs and whatnot, but that doesn't mean you cant make the MAIN content of an update while doing testing at the same time. thats why you have testers and developers :/
ECLIPSE WILL SAVE DEEPWOKEN SOCIETY. FIX SARAMAED HOLLOW. STOP IGNORING PLAYER FEEDBACK AND ONLY LISTENING TO BIG FIGUREHEADS IN THE COMMUNITY. DEEPWOKEN WILL HEAL. NAMASTE.
fun fact! 9:54, it used to not be like that, community outrage on the discord caused the devs to make it so you could carry multiple, it was ONLY one ore at a time on the release of the origin
I'm surprised you haven't mentioned the main killer of this origin, which is the lack of lasting benefits. If I'm void walker, I can teleport to players any time and have a mini base at my fingertips. If I'm deepbound, I basically never have to worry about sanity in the depths, ever, as well as getting access to everything in castle light at all times. If I'm an ignition union worker.. I get.. a tablet that let's me accept jobs remotely, which if I wanna complete, I gotta walk to the area I could've picked them up manually to begin with! Not to mention it's useless once I'm max level? Recently they added this thing in the depths (I think) where you can descend into layer 2 if you're an ignition worker, and spawn at the ignition base with the generator already turned on, but no light hook, giving you a faster layer 2 at the cost of some risk but that's it? Compared to the other 2 origins, that seems incredibly lackluster and specific and just.. not worth it
tbh i prefer ignition for progging a build over voidwalker ever since the void’s fast travel basically got removed and also cuz the xp boost from dungeons (like ferryman) but yeah it’s pretty lackluster
@ron3557 it has another use, actually. It gives you jobs you can't find otherwise. Load in as an ignition worker and go to the etrean luminant. You'll find authority patrol jobs from the ministry. So maybe it isn't so bad if you wanna go contractor? Otherwise you can farm quickly in the depths but still. Very lackluster compared to the other 2
Now here's what's got me worried, not the ignition union origin, not the tedium or anything else... it's the fact that they rarely listen to the community. There are multiple reasons why I think this, the first reason is: Recently, devs have been ignoring the community's feedback on things, and only make changes based on youtuber complaints. Now, ironically... Eclipse was one of those people that were listened to. A day before eclipse had uploaded (iirc) his W rank video, he was complaining about chime skulls being a thing, and the next day... we got chime skulls removed. The second example is Inu. Inu had complained about the fact that people were jumping into the void to avoid wiping in layer 1, and what did the devs do in the following weekly update? Increase the player combat threshold for falling into layer 2 from 50% total hp to 75% hp. This, in my opinion, is a startling trend within other games as well. For example, fortnite (cringe game): The devs have ignored a majority of the playerbase and only listened to pro-esport players complaints about certain weapons, and it (from what I've seen) ruined the balance of the game. I have considered (at multiple points and times within my time playing the game) to learn how to edit, record, and make gameplay videos, JUST so I could make suggestions that would be seen. This, has me scared for the future of deepwoken, as if the devs keep listening to public figures instead of the community, it's not gonna go in a good direction. (Any corrections to any statements I have made here will be updated when pointed out.)
I wish this Eclipse video focused more on this. It's so saddening how The developers almost full-on ignore ALL suggestions from players. Funny how Agamatsu excuses this as: "Come on guys, lookin through suggentions is Hard, and watching it in video form is easier". I like Aga, but this Take ain't it.
It sucks ass, but I feel that there's no real good way to communicate this to the devs besides dm spamming that they may never read or might get me banned or something dumb. Except maybe the suggestions channel. But even then you gotta be very invested in the server itself, which I'm not, to even make a suggestion yourself. I've played the game for hundreds of hours and yet I don't get that voice that many others do because they have less specific groups than a guild to connect with.
Bruh just today's update fixed megalodaunt's coral spear going through walls, it made lava damage mobs, and removed x-ray vision from broodlords and brutes. This truly was a deep woken.
THANK YOU FOR ADRESSING THE DEVS. I DM'D YOU AND WAS BASICALLY ASKING. CAUSE THE DEVS JUST DONT LISTEN TO ANYBODY BUT FIGUREHEADS( ex latest aga potion nerfs and shit.)
I think the reason to why the community as a whole is and was disappointed about the Ignition Union origin is it has been a LONG standing meme/actual request for the game. since verse one when the playerbase largely consisted of more educated players. People wanted something cool surrounding the ignition union. We got a bit of that when layer 2 drop with the Arcwarder stuff but it still just felt like so much stuff had potential. After waiting for a long time we finally got something that just REALLY didn't live up to expectations. We wanted a lore filled, idk, something, lore, cool union tech, *new* mobs(not reskins) and probably more. but we didn't really get any of that. so we were let down. not to mention the origin doesn't give passives like voidwalker or deepbound does. underwhelming and not living up to any hype whatsoever.
and there's barely backlash.. the community went silent on it very fast and now its not even considered as an issue/nor being worked on anymore which is really sad.. were waiting for conquest which is gonna come out half assed :/
you actually can, but like, it's so hard to climb and really, really situational when you actually can, that when you end up climbing, you fall down cuz the rocks are on the way where you should grab a edge
7:23 Hey, Developer here, invisible walls could be caused by unions. In specific, when You union two parts, they usually create this invisible wall. There are ways to fix it, though.
10:45 i think a good solution for the ore problem could be is that you get a backpack or something like that where you store the ores in instead of you carrying it
13:23 deepowken lore nerd here. it could actually very well be lore accurate since the drowned gods are enemies of the celestials and ethiron attacked the celestial city of constellia with mind controlled kyrsgardes, parasites and likely also bonekeepers and saramaed mountain very well has ties to celestials (there's a star tree nearby which has ties to celestials and the drawings in the dungeon itself has what appears to be drawings of navae and the gremors). and considering the fact that carbuncles (fully grown eternal gale parasites) exist in the dungeon it wouldn't even be far fetched to say that this could be very plausible
bro, carbuncles only show up on like the first 300 meters, after that they're just nowhere to be found so I doubt it's lore related and more gameplay related
As a Roblox developer, those invisible walls are the mesh parts having less precise collision hitboxes, which there is a setting in these mesh parts which can make them more precise. Idk how the developers couldn't have done it. It's ONE setting change.
Also, unrelated, they probably removed flamekeeper Cestus drops from Aratel, it took me 7 hours to fucking find one and I only stayed at Aratel because I wanted money for my guild base, you know the hive quest to kill a certain enemy and go back for a huge chest? Yeah? I GOT 2 FUCKING PYRE KEEPERS BEFORE A CESTUS! I was going chainwarden, and I had to ruin my reputation with the authority by doing the Etrean hostage quest, and then after that didn’t work, I went to a random island and GOT FUCKING 3 OF THEM IN ONE ARATEL CHEST! WHAT THE FUCK?!
You know whats the saddest thing about deepwoken toxicity? That was the point. The entire point of rogue lineage [the game that put the devs on the market] WAS to be toxic to others, WAS to have to ruin other people's progression to progress. Hell, they didn't do much about people outright being horrible to each other past gameplay. ... They didn't even listen to the players back then. I'd argue they didn't learn enough from rogue lineage.
ngl, despite all flaws about Union Ignition, the new lava dungeon reminds me of NeonKnights not to mention that it's also like The Forge level, god lava maps are so cool, and they can be adjusted to go from natural and futuristic
the origin should've had more time to get made, as it was apparently rushed in a small amount of time. for a new ORIGIN, it's super barebones with endgame utility compared to something like voidwalker
video 3(seems more fitting this way in case he stopped uploading) of asking elcipse to play decaying winter and rpoject remix because uhhh I'm a member and I pay your bills
Im telling yall right now he is NOT going to like decaying winter. No tutorial loads of random bullshit that cover a fun game that theres a 50 percent chance he will never see
I'm really glad you escaped from being pigeon cooped into playing YBA, Eclipse. I know you haven't quite escaped Roblox as a whole, but you're a great content creator and watching you evolve into a more versatile youtuber has been awesome!
funny thing about the 'no climbing with fuel/ore' you can, but the fuel has collision boxes, making it incredibly awkward or outright impossible with multiple this is (to my knowledge) the only pick up with intentional collision. currently, artifacts also have collision, but this is most likely unintentional as a part of some patch or bug as i dont remember them always having collision when i started playing, and players/npcs dont have collision when picked up, nor does the boulder (off memory, im not opening the game to fact check a youtube comment), etc
The newest update fixed alot of these issues, idk if it was in the works for a while or if they added that because of this video, but at least the saramaed hollow is much more playable now :D
13:50 this happens with ships like the merchant schooner as well and it genuinely hurts because every time i turn my camera i literally cannot see anything for a good 2-3 seconds
So I'd like to give my own two cents on a few of these things, not that my two cents matter much but it may help with some of the disappointment to show off some of the good things about the Origin. First off, As a progression Saramaed hollow is trash no doubt but it does have a massive loot table that allows players who can't fight Maestro, layer 2, or Diluvian to access enchant stones with relative ease. Once you're power 20 most builds can wipe out the monsters pretty quick. Second off, This Origin doesn't lock you out of the trial of one like some do and allows for prog that is faster than boss spam, if you trial of one and then pager at starswept you can gain exp incredibly quickly while also massively boosting your rep with all factions in the area. It's easier than fighting certain bosses at low level and the rep boost makes getting things such as Chainwarden or Contracter (If you're in the Etrean Luminant) significantly easier since you can take contracts from each respective faction without having to run all the way to their board and back. Third off, The Faction exclusive deep drill is really nice, if you're confident in your layer 2 gameplay it cuts down your time by about half to get to chaser and being that you don't have lighthook you get the light-hookless bonus when using it making it technically the best farm endgame for the speed boost. That being said Saramaed is still incredibly disappointing as a progression path and with a lack of endgame features beyond the deep drill I really hope your video gives them the kick in the ass needed to give the origin a slight revamp.
Bro these devs man, like when you see the changes to the patch notes for the dungeon and it’s basically just stuff stated in this video (like removing X-ray on broods, sharko scream not goin through walls,) you just have to think if they’re even doing their jobs as devs
I will never consider playing Deepwoken, even before watching this video. Though I am fine with listening in and taking a look at people’s thoughts about the game. I don’t wanna feel even more stressed from this game!
I just find it annoying that the DEVELOPERS cant even realize it themselves when something is terrible or broken. The community really shouldn't have to step in
It's possibly the fastest progression if you just stack monster bounties and do them for a ton of exp and reputation. The best way to progress the origin is to not play the origin. The hollow is just terrible for progressing. It's really boring and lackluster, shouldn't the ignition be drilling through the depths? It's my favorite origin now just because of the boosted mission exp, and being able to safely grind with players at lordsgrove with the union pager.
4:51 Honestly i do agree with the enemies should die to the lava, but one reason they most likely didnt make it that way is because it would allow an easy cheese to the dungeon all you'd have to do is mine and no one wants that. I've played the dungeon multiple times with my friends before and I agree its boring since u kill, mine over and over atleast they made the loot good.
There should be an invisible wall for the mobs (just like for that one bone keeper in layer 2) OR just give the mobs better pathfinding/add a way for the mobs to escape the lava
@@TheBigNoob_TBN or just rework the map in general. Remove mob spawns near lava pool and do all of the necessary changes Eclipse suggested for a good map.
@@plxyer3813 They definitely spent more time on map design than the actual concept so they definitely wouldn't do that. The best course of action that isn't too time consuming is to add invisible *mob walls near large chasms and increase the tick and tick damage you take from standing in lava pools. *(Invis walls that stop mobs) OR just make the giant lava chasm shoot you back out (like the green jump pads) while doing heavy fire damage. Hell, make it do the same to mobs
Oh, the testing? They, for some reason, thought it's a good idea to let people know they did their homework an hour before the deadline, hence the update's release at like 7pm for me instead of the usual 1pm.
The update they made just fixed some of the things you mentioned, like the broodlord xray and lava damages the mobs now. The community is probably convinced that you are the voice for deepwoken's issues now.
The title, the way he speaks, the way he comments on the mistakes and issues, it just shows he has so much respect for the devs and for the game, and in light of these issues, he is not angry but disappointed, because he knows they can do better.
9:52 ngl im thankful that as a D3 Hollow user I only got around playing after the change logs said they changed it to clumping the ores… (yes, originally the ores did not clump together). I also kinda ended up making ore routes for 5-7 ores on every map that don’t require me to climb or dash… The only thing making Hollow halfway decent is the end game loot, progging through it is so bad that it’s only worth it if you genuinely just hate encountering other people and you wanna just lock in for 3 hours and do a slow prog with tons of cash… Hollow genuinely has some really good loot, past 1.5k meters you get chests filled with 3 star cyans and purples including my favorite equipment, Ignition Gauntlets which give an innate talent which normally only like 1 outfit in the entire game has along with really good pip stats. Also the dungeon really needs more variety, let us get more depths mobs since it’s clearly meant to be an area in between the layers, give us some Terrapods, Gigameds, Nightmare Threshers, King Threshers, and so on, PLEASE. And add a way to skip floors once you’ve beaten it.. floors 800-1400 are worthless compared to 1500+
it’s worth noting that the enemies that fall into the lava can return to their spawn areas if you go far enough away from them. it’s still incredibly annoying though
That's insane- Sharko attacking through walls got called a "bug" and they can't do that anymore. Brutes/Broodlords now don't have an Xray vision and now IgnitionUnion has a bank and anitquarian in depths. Seemingly after your video it got done- although I think it might be a little stretching it out- But nice to see those things FINALLY touched- Now we wait for sarameed hollow polish
Thx for your feedback ! They just made lava damage ennemies and muskipper brute are not able to detect you trough walls anymore ! They really listen..to you at least.
Fun fact, on the day that the dungeon / mines thing was released, the update was pushed back a few hours because for some dumbass reason, they had Archmage design and program the entire dungeon unplanned on the same day that it came out
megalodaunts shooting ''needles'' throught walls has been a problem in the game for years at this point i cant even remember all the slots i lost to that bullshit
You missed one of the good points of this origin, they have an exclusive furnance only for igniton unions, (im pretty sure its exclusive since i tried to use it on my non-ignition union origin and it didn't give a choice to turn in the alloys) but you can turn in 3 pluripotent alloys for a smith alloy, which in turn you can craft into armourer's alloy. These relics are pretty good for getting armor with insane pips. And you can go to the chariot spire or something, this doesn't matter tbh.
its so funny that the latest update log included 3 things you complained about including a problem that has been there since release (sharko coral spear going through wall). Eclipse, what a man you are...
I do want to say while the origin is lacking, Arch is actively improving on it, unlike other content where the devs just ignore it, arch has openly said in the discord that he will continously add onto the origin due to how lackluster it is, he's even read a whole doc me and Deepdelver Sushi (A member of the community obsessed with the ignition union) wrote and stuff like the pager, the armours,etc came from that doc. While the player feedback issue is really prominent, the origin is like the only exception since it's been getting updated and things have been gotten added onto it since it came out
fair and honest video, as many, it concerns me as many things go left untested or change or buggy for so long. Deepwoken Devs need help or to seriously change up their act in order to handle their game. Another thing, parts of the video remember me of The Angry Video Game Nerd, completely a good thing, he does funny reviews of crappy old games. However it does make me sad that Deepwoken has such avoidable problems.
Eclipse, I'm 5 minutes deep, I agree with everything you said so far and devs seem to think the same, you talked about the problem of lava DMG to mobs and the update log contains a information about it doing DMG now, the second think about the broodlords/brutes they made them NOT have x-ray vision, I think you really did influence the deppwoken devs
they had the chance to make the origin a layer 2 focused origin where you had a special area of layer 2 made for freshies thats less dangerous (no traps/bs). That gave you more xp then divers for more of a challenge cause ngl deepbound is quite easy once you learn how to prog it.
So you want devs to make an "easier location for freshies" in layer 2, and immediately after that you suggest they add something difficult there... what??
@@СергейЛяховский-з5е i am talking about a more toned down layer 2 but still more difficult then layer 1, if you dont understand i want there to not be bonekeepers around every turn or bounders everywhere. I want there to be new monsters that are weaker then bonekeepers/bounders and are stornger then layer 1 mobs, that spawn when you have a job active.
Eclipse sounds so heartbroken in this video, let's hope deepwoken devs come to their senses and start improving already existing content instead of rushing to add something new.
7:25 when you union things in roblox studio (which is most likely what they used to optimize this place) it makes the collisions of the part extremely wonky. its either you have weird invisible walls or you are at 25 fps max at all times.
I believe the the current issue with the updates is that they are suffering from lack of meaningful content or content that should be worked on more but released regardless in order to meet the weekly update status quo. There is nothing wrong with weekly updates, but having them to have content in some way or form every week leads to burnout, over-saturation of content, and content that should had been pushed out together with other content to add extra hype over
the funniest part is theres no reason using the new dungeon to progress an ignition origin slot because using the pager and just farming normally at starswept valley is just so much faster. The EXP gain from the pager is actually so fast that its just simply better than going lone warrior because you can for some reason go into trial of one with the ignition origin. They made a better trial of one origin.
fun fact. They got an invsiable wall that only mobs can interact with but not the player in the game. If you wanna know where: the bonekeeper bridge in layer 2. The bonekeeper can't fall of there but you can. Would it really have been so hard to set up a few of those walls in this dungeon so enemies don't walk into the lava?
This is what I wanna see for this dungeon and I would like to know your thoughts: I want the max depth to be way higher. I want the map rotation and selection system to be revamped. I want the mob difficulty to be revamped. I want the rewards system to be revamped. I want the maps themselves to be tweaked. I have a video on my channel I made a bit ago that showcases just an example or concept algorithm I made for the mob difficulty that the devs can make something off of or get an idea of. It gives a much better to the devs than just words in my opinion and it is something I am able to make without knowing how Deepwokens internal systems work such as their loot-tables. I will not be talking about mob difficulty or loot below as I believe they can do it dynamically with how deep down the player goes (depth). (the starting depth is a bit random in-game rn) Starting Depth to 2K Depth: Rotates between 6 different maps at random that are pretty open and easy to traverse with ways to get up after falling down Instead of lava, have magma that damages you 2.5% of your maxhealth every second you stand on it Monsters have tougher skin than you and cannot be damaged by the magma 2.1K Depth to 6K Depth: Rotates between 13 different maps at random that are also pretty open but might have some jumps to get across stuff and some jagged edges with steeper hills. It shall also have little beaches below the giant rocks you spawn on up above. These little stone beaches will allow you to struggle to get on after falling into the lava which is discussed below. Instead of magma, have actual lava that damages you 12.5% of your maxhealth every second while being in it. Instead of just standing on it, reuse the not being able to swim echo modifier (One Bit) animation so that it looks like you are struggling to get out of the lava as you swim out of it before you die. It will be just like drowning in water instead of something you stand on and of course it will be recolored to be lava. You will be able to swim to the little stone beaches as said above to get out of the lava. After getting out of the lava, you will still be on fire damaging you 2.5% of your maxhealth every second instead. Monsters will not be able to swim out of the lava and will take damage by 20% of their maxhealth every second and if they have ranged attacks they will still be able to shoot you while they struggle until they melt in the lava. If you dealt damage to this monster and then they died in the lava, you will only receive a quarter of the EXP. 6.1K Depth to 7K Depth: Rotates between 6 different maps at random that are way less open and are almost labyrinth like added with steep and sharp drops and edges. There is more cracks of lava in places where you can get set on fire. At the start there will be full on tunnels that you can traverse that lead to bigger and more open rooms with pits of bubbling molten metal. The lightning in these levels will be much darker and you will also loose thirst faster while running around in these levels. Instead of lava, there is molten metal composed of iron and nickel. You and monsters will instantly explode upon dipping into the metal having all your blood boil into steam, bursting out your pores; tearing your or the monsters skin in the process. You won't receive EXP for hitting monsters into the metal. There can be an extra check here in the code that scales up the loot multiplier for these levels. This will still work with the dynamic system because if the depth here isn't present, then it will just proceed with whatever else. Some monster tweaks: If a monster every gets too far away from it's spawnpoint and not attacking anything for too long have it get teleported back to it's spawnpoint. Have the stone monsters or as I called them "cobbled" only have some parts of it turned to stone so you can still identify what monster it is such as not being able to tell the difference between a cobbled Broodlord and a cobbled Mudskipper Brute. General additions to the maps: Add bigger rocks in the pits for players to fall onto instead of having gigantic pits (not in the final levels). Spice up the lava geyser pits with maybe some chunky lava or lava dripping down the sides with cracks. Add more dead flowers and maybe some scorched trees to improve the look. Add some bubble particle effects to the lava and maybe some charcoal-like or burnt dust floating in the air or falling from the ceiling. Maybe add some like burn logs or some skeletons of monsters floating in the lava. There are probably many more things that could be added, but I think this would boost the atmosphere a lot. Important map tweaks: Fix the improper collision geometry on the rock/spike meshes so the "invisible walls" problem doesn't occur. Special permanent tool given to you upon picking the origin: You are given a "Basket" which will be modeled after a rattan backpack. Upon using this tool, you equip it on your back. While wearing the Basket, as you mine ores, you can fill up the inventory of the Basket. The Basket can hold 16 materials and each ore is equal to 1 material while an Ignition Dungeon Crystal (drill fuel) takes up 2 materials. If you mine while not having the Basket equipped, the ores act like normal. If you right-click on the Basket in your inventory you can "Dump" it out into your inventory or if it is a Ignition Dungeon Crystal, it will be dumped onto the floor infront of you. You will be able to attack while wearing the Basket but the more ore you have, you will move at a slower pace. You will not be able to unequip the Basket if there are ores inside of it. Upon death, you lose all ores instead of the Basket and spawn with it unequipped. An extra note: If you are wondering why I think there so be so many maps, they made the 3 maps and the entire rest of the dungeon in a single day. I think they can take like a month to make the 25 maps and make them quality. I feel like there should be a lot of different things to explore cuz like I'm traveling underground in a crazy dangerous place with the ground having lava cracking into it. You are literally going thousands of meters under the Earth's (or whatever planet Deepwokens world is on) surface. You are working this job for this crazy company researching cutting edge technology who sent you into the deepest parts of the planet to fetch information that they need to continue research. The Ignition Union literally setup base in The Eternal Gale, they are battling gods man. Thanks for taking the time to read my ideas!
If they do test why is it like this? It's so buggy and it's just a mess, and like he said the big issue was that the mobs get stuck and you can't get rewards and is just something that would not fly under the radar easily.
As agamatsu himself has said, a lot of the testers bring up very valid and well thought out suggestions or bugs but the devs dont always check. This origin was rushed and made within a week, and only touched upon maybe 3 times after.
The problem ,is not just them releasing something unfinished but its also that they dont go back to finish said thing the same issue with Ignition deepcrusher.
Union origin is even more pointless than you think, because only good thing about it, you got job tablet that shows you nearby jobs. To enter dungeon you don't even need to be igniton delver.
As of the update today, broodlords won't have xray vision, and the lava now hurts mobs, sharko's coral laser no longer goes through walls as well. Just wanted to mention that.
I think something that would help the origin would be making the ores a currency like the kyrsan medallion. Whatever extra ores you can take back up with you and spend on rewards. If they really want it to be good they could turn it into a real roguelike and make it so spending ores can be used to modify and upgrade your run. Imagine spending 10 ores before your run and bow the drill is equpped with turrets that deal damage to nearby enemies like the one in castle light. Or spend like 50 and permanently make it so that your drill needs one less ore to go down for each tier. Or maybe even something like a hard mode with 20 ore and for that run it spawns more modified mobs for each floor but the loot in the chests get boosted to have something that can compete with diluvian.
The invisible wall thing is collision fidelity. It is set to auto/performance which makes roblox make a different collision box to better performance. It is the default option so they didnt bother checking.
The exp is really bad It's a cool concept but it's kind of lack luster, all you do is collect ore kill all mobs and continue I wish it had more to do or something like that. I really like the loot it's really good on the later stages but it takes about an hour of mining killing mobs and repeating the process just for the good loot.
With the enemies not taking damage from lava there is a similar issue in upper erisia with the acid. The enemies just don't take damage from it, even human enemies. Now when you fall into acid when youre nocked you just die, but when npcs get nocked in acid they just lay there untill they get back up.
the dungeon was literally made in 1 day (confirmed by archmage). this is what happens when you rush content. they have an entire WEEK to do this shit and they just do everything last minute. thats the problem with the weekly updates is they dont do them in one week, they do them in a DAY
not to say you made this video for nothing its just that this dungeon isn't exclusive/ part of the ignition union. Its just an over world version of deepbound spawning at the deluvient mechanism which everyone can use regardless of orgin. The buff of going ignition union is just not very good until recently. As all it had was an ability to use job boards everywhere and exp buff for dungeon and jobs. But now i would argue its actually decent just for layer 2 speed runs and smith alloy farming. This is because you can use the drill in the union base in the depth to skip all the way to the end of bounder nest (quite sure) at the cost of not having light hook and combin 3 purplet alloy (the relic to upgrade beginner weapons to end game) into a smith alloy (the relic to give your weapon or increase the star on the weapon)
The whole point of testing not being done and it feeling unfinished this is probably 100% true since arc mage himself said that he was pulling an all nighter to make the entire dungeon in one day
I will say that I’m glad there’s at least a progression choice where you can go at your own pace without having to worry about getting voidwalked or ganked
do you remember that Arcane lineage game, with the weird developer? Well the game got sold to new owners fishgroupstudios, I remember thinking the game was really bad wich it was, but the point here is, the new devs are revamping the entire game rn and my question is, are you going to try it again? I would love to see your opinion bc it was and still is one of my favourite games btw the revamp will probably release next year
I find it funny how they fixed most of these issues RIGHT after he posted this video. This is definitive proof they only listen to figure-heads, literally most if not ALL of the issues were addressed just a couple of hours after this was made...
in defence of the invisible walls, there has been a bug going on (not sure for how long since i last played yesterday and not counting that then i played over 4 months ago) where specifically slopes are invisible, not all of them but many are
Thank you for talking about player feedback being ignored, it feels like they only listen to the big figureheads in their community like recently, with how Inu was complaining that the health threshold for jumping into the void in depths was too forgiving, so they changed it to 75% if you’re getting attacked by a person, which is possibly the worst change made. And with agamatsu recently complaining about saltchemist as he got ganked by 4 people who were all saltchemists, and everyone’s basically anticipating a nerf today, even though everyone’s been complaining about saltchemist for months and every plea to nerf it has been ignored. It’s like the community has been conditioned to expect changes to only be made when a big youtuber complains about it. It’s messed up and borderline nepotism in some cases as some UA-camrs are friends with the devs.
for the saltchemist thing a lot of people wanted it to stay how it is actually
edit: i wanted it to get nerfed just voicing different opinions
Also punchee getting fadetrimmer nerfed because he ran it on a build that makes EVERY mantra do 4 deepilion damage and then made it out to be a problem with the oath and not the shit he's running
that is because the devs ONLY take suggestions from figureheads in the community. Atleast to my knowledge there has actually been no evidence of a community suggestion being added to deepwoken without the help of someone like agamatsu. they just don't care enough about the community to change it unless there is a dev/ mod that supports the change, unfortunately.
@@thecomet653 bcs they abused it, saltchemist was not fair
@thecomet653 maybe i would want it to be reworked because some of those pots are unfair
tbh I don't know why it was rushed. they made it in one week, did an update for it a week after it released, still has many problems and is repetitive, hasn't been updated or resolved since.
Incorrect, they made it in 24 hours
It wasn't even a week
Arch said he "Pulled a Diluvian" which means he just woke up one day, 12 hours before the update and went "yeah I got time" (NO YOU DIDN'T)
They took 24 hours, not even a week
@@historicflame972ain’t no way he made the whole update in 12 hours at least not the map
yep. it was made in a day. so then a question arises: "tf were you guys doing for the rest of the week?"
ik supposedly the dev team is split into different parts, with one group working on conquest, another doing weeklies, so on and so forth, and they also need to """"""test"""""" (optional as deepwoken has proved) for bugs and whatnot, but that doesn't mean you cant make the MAIN content of an update while doing testing at the same time. thats why you have testers and developers
:/
the saramaed hollow dream has died 💔💔💔 no killing 8 snowman wave… just 7 broodlord..
Niko oneshot fr
@@Nico_dud yeah i learnt how to block parry dodge now :D
Oneshor
wokeshot
ECLIPSE WILL SAVE DEEPWOKEN SOCIETY. FIX SARAMAED HOLLOW. STOP IGNORING PLAYER FEEDBACK AND ONLY LISTENING TO BIG FIGUREHEADS IN THE COMMUNITY. DEEPWOKEN WILL HEAL. NAMASTE.
fun fact! 9:54, it used to not be like that, community outrage on the discord caused the devs to make it so you could carry multiple, it was ONLY one ore at a time on the release of the origin
Thank God. When i played with all my friends we were picking up one at a time. I had to pause and question if we were just stupid 😭
Save us, Eclipse!
SAVE THE DEEP SOCIETY, ECLIPSE
SAVE THE DEEP SOCIETY, ECLIPSE
You fell off... 💔
nogo ur such a goat
❌
Poor eclipse, bro sounds like a broken soul while talkin about some of this stuff
This Deepwoken was truly set in a Rogue of Lineage.
Say that again…
Absolute cinema
At this point, it feels like they're going to put me in an Item Asylum!
I'm surprised you haven't mentioned the main killer of this origin, which is the lack of lasting benefits. If I'm void walker, I can teleport to players any time and have a mini base at my fingertips. If I'm deepbound, I basically never have to worry about sanity in the depths, ever, as well as getting access to everything in castle light at all times. If I'm an ignition union worker.. I get.. a tablet that let's me accept jobs remotely, which if I wanna complete, I gotta walk to the area I could've picked them up manually to begin with! Not to mention it's useless once I'm max level? Recently they added this thing in the depths (I think) where you can descend into layer 2 if you're an ignition worker, and spawn at the ignition base with the generator already turned on, but no light hook, giving you a faster layer 2 at the cost of some risk but that's it? Compared to the other 2 origins, that seems incredibly lackluster and specific and just.. not worth it
tbh i prefer ignition for progging a build over voidwalker ever since the void’s fast travel basically got removed and also cuz the xp boost from dungeons (like ferryman) but yeah it’s pretty lackluster
Ignition pager is good if u need to fix rep when max but sadly that's it basically
@ron3557 it has another use, actually. It gives you jobs you can't find otherwise. Load in as an ignition worker and go to the etrean luminant. You'll find authority patrol jobs from the ministry. So maybe it isn't so bad if you wanna go contractor? Otherwise you can farm quickly in the depths but still. Very lackluster compared to the other 2
@@justmob9917 Well yes ik it gives jobs and allat, but I'm talking end game stuff
You can skip generator in l2 now so ig thats an use
Save the ignition society, Eclipse my goat
Yokoso, watashi no miners landing
Now here's what's got me worried, not the ignition union origin, not the tedium or anything else... it's the fact that they rarely listen to the community.
There are multiple reasons why I think this, the first reason is:
Recently, devs have been ignoring the community's feedback on things, and only make changes based on youtuber complaints. Now, ironically... Eclipse was one of those people that were listened to. A day before eclipse had uploaded (iirc) his W rank video, he was complaining about chime skulls being a thing, and the next day... we got chime skulls removed. The second example is Inu. Inu had complained about the fact that people were jumping into the void to avoid wiping in layer 1, and what did the devs do in the following weekly update? Increase the player combat threshold for falling into layer 2 from 50% total hp to 75% hp. This, in my opinion, is a startling trend within other games as well. For example, fortnite (cringe game): The devs have ignored a majority of the playerbase and only listened to pro-esport players complaints about certain weapons, and it (from what I've seen) ruined the balance of the game. I have considered (at multiple points and times within my time playing the game) to learn how to edit, record, and make gameplay videos, JUST so I could make suggestions that would be seen. This, has me scared for the future of deepwoken, as if the devs keep listening to public figures instead of the community, it's not gonna go in a good direction.
(Any corrections to any statements I have made here will be updated when pointed out.)
I wish this Eclipse video focused more on this. It's so saddening how The developers almost full-on ignore ALL suggestions from players. Funny how Agamatsu excuses this as: "Come on guys, lookin through suggentions is Hard, and watching it in video form is easier". I like Aga, but this Take ain't it.
that's alot of words, too bad i'm not reading em
It sucks ass, but I feel that there's no real good way to communicate this to the devs besides dm spamming that they may never read or might get me banned or something dumb. Except maybe the suggestions channel. But even then you gotta be very invested in the server itself, which I'm not, to even make a suggestion yourself. I've played the game for hundreds of hours and yet I don't get that voice that many others do because they have less specific groups than a guild to connect with.
btw the new update got rid of enemies living in lava
@@nicolascientista4884 hes right, but that doesnt mean they shouldn't look through them...
from the deep 📺 to the woken 🥊 to the ignition 🖋 to the union 👑
"wheres my crown?"
@@Yoshi98297 thats my bling
@@dogwater9582 always voidwalkers when i ring
@@Yoshi98297 wheres my immortal helm?
Where's my bloodforged crown
Bruh just today's update fixed megalodaunt's coral spear going through walls, it made lava damage mobs, and removed x-ray vision from broodlords and brutes. This truly was a deep woken.
8:30 eclipse was so disappointed he changed the music and even started comparing it to kill 8 snowmans 💔💔
Does every one of you make the same joke over and over? Like y’all really need to go outside I’m not even going to hold you
Getting mad over a repetitive joke is peak imbecilism right there 😞 @@Creepazz
THANK YOU FOR ADRESSING THE DEVS. I DM'D YOU AND WAS BASICALLY ASKING. CAUSE THE DEVS JUST DONT LISTEN TO ANYBODY BUT FIGUREHEADS( ex latest aga potion nerfs and shit.)
I think the reason to why the community as a whole is and was disappointed about the Ignition Union origin is it has been a LONG standing meme/actual request for the game. since verse one when the playerbase largely consisted of more educated players. People wanted something cool surrounding the ignition union. We got a bit of that when layer 2 drop with the Arcwarder stuff but it still just felt like so much stuff had potential.
After waiting for a long time we finally got something that just REALLY didn't live up to expectations. We wanted a lore filled, idk, something, lore, cool union tech, *new* mobs(not reskins) and probably more. but we didn't really get any of that. so we were let down. not to mention the origin doesn't give passives like voidwalker or deepbound does. underwhelming and not living up to any hype whatsoever.
the only two passives it gets are union hook and the job pager
Incorrect, it does give passives
BUT THEY SUCK
and there's barely backlash.. the community went silent on it very fast and now its not even considered as an issue/nor being worked on anymore which is really sad.. were waiting for conquest which is gonna come out half assed :/
it mainly because of conquest holding up stuff, like the update aren't as great than before conquest started getting worked on
10:46 What's weird is that you can climb while holding people, so why can't you while holding this random rock?
you actually can, but like, it's so hard to climb and really, really situational when you actually can, that when you end up climbing, you fall down cuz the rocks are on the way where you should grab a edge
Collision issues with the ore because they have that for some reason
cus ur carrying a buncha rocks
@@donciusdnciii6712 so?
8:46 current deepwoken updates situation explained with few words...
''I hope it's fine!!!''
@rexwastaken2778 THANK YOU
7:23 Hey, Developer here, invisible walls could be caused by unions. In specific, when You union two parts, they usually create this invisible wall. There are ways to fix it, though.
10:45 i think a good solution for the ore problem could be is that you get a backpack or something like that where you store the ores in instead of you carrying it
thats what i was thinking aswell
I was about to comment this lol
13:23 deepowken lore nerd here. it could actually very well be lore accurate since the drowned gods are enemies of the celestials and ethiron attacked the celestial city of constellia with mind controlled kyrsgardes, parasites and likely also bonekeepers and saramaed mountain very well has ties to celestials (there's a star tree nearby which has ties to celestials and the drawings in the dungeon itself has what appears to be drawings of navae and the gremors). and considering the fact that carbuncles (fully grown eternal gale parasites) exist in the dungeon it wouldn't even be far fetched to say that this could be very plausible
Shut uppppp
shut up lil bro 🙏
bro, carbuncles only show up on like the first 300 meters, after that they're just nowhere to be found so I doubt it's lore related and more gameplay related
@@sammak1862 you're an idiot.
When sigma speaks I listen
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Preach
Bars
You already know Agamatsu is going to be streaming today to react to this.
Hey, Aga please fix/refresh/rework Portals bell
aga isnt a dev brotha
@@XoTourLlif3 the devs listen to him 100% of the time anyways, as they prefer public figures over the community.
@@Civvil17 I hate how semi-true this is. The devs DO get ideas from the community suggestions but it's such a rarity
@@XoTourLlif3 Aga has more power over the dev team than Arch himself and you can't deny this
Guess what
As a Roblox developer, those invisible walls are the mesh parts having less precise collision hitboxes, which there is a setting in these mesh parts which can make them more precise. Idk how the developers couldn't have done it. It's ONE setting change.
LOL I seen this video right as im watching DDOS and the guy on the comment was talking about Deepwoken and I look and see this vid. Timing too funny
Also, unrelated, they probably removed flamekeeper Cestus drops from Aratel, it took me 7 hours to fucking find one and I only stayed at Aratel because I wanted money for my guild base, you know the hive quest to kill a certain enemy and go back for a huge chest? Yeah? I GOT 2 FUCKING PYRE KEEPERS BEFORE A CESTUS! I was going chainwarden, and I had to ruin my reputation with the authority by doing the Etrean hostage quest, and then after that didn’t work, I went to a random island and GOT FUCKING 3 OF THEM IN ONE ARATEL CHEST! WHAT THE FUCK?!
8:42 Even meme seas got the Lava right 😄.
You know whats the saddest thing about deepwoken toxicity?
That was the point. The entire point of rogue lineage [the game that put the devs on the market] WAS to be toxic to others, WAS to have to ruin other people's progression to progress. Hell, they didn't do much about people outright being horrible to each other past gameplay.
... They didn't even listen to the players back then. I'd argue they didn't learn enough from rogue lineage.
No
6:58 there's a single black frame this video is unwatchable
ngl, despite all flaws about Union Ignition, the new lava dungeon reminds me of NeonKnights
not to mention that it's also like The Forge level, god lava maps are so cool, and they can be adjusted to go from natural and futuristic
It's a cool aesthetic
Another neon knights player :0
Neon Knights based
awesomeee ^_^
yoo nk playersss
the origin should've had more time to get made, as it was apparently rushed in a small amount of time. for a new ORIGIN, it's super barebones with endgame utility compared to something like voidwalker
video 3(seems more fitting this way in case he stopped uploading) of asking elcipse to play decaying winter and rpoject remix because uhhh I'm a member and I pay your bills
Cringe
@@cedomadaras8863 How?
Freakbob nut
Im telling yall right now he is NOT going to like decaying winter. No tutorial loads of random bullshit that cover a fun game that theres a 50 percent chance he will never see
As a new player, the new player experience in decaying winter was absolutely terrible, i ended up quiting a while ago
I'm really glad you escaped from being pigeon cooped into playing YBA, Eclipse. I know you haven't quite escaped Roblox as a whole, but you're a great content creator and watching you evolve into a more versatile youtuber has been awesome!
No 8 snowmans, just 8 dvm resistant broodlords (corrupted and extra oiled up)
10:57 they did this with the artifacts too but its even harder because you cannot jump in water so if you have a big boat you cannot get an artifact
funny thing about the 'no climbing with fuel/ore'
you can, but the fuel has collision boxes, making it incredibly awkward or outright impossible with multiple
this is (to my knowledge) the only pick up with intentional collision. currently, artifacts also have collision, but this is most likely unintentional as a part of some patch or bug as i dont remember them always having collision when i started playing, and players/npcs dont have collision when picked up, nor does the boulder (off memory, im not opening the game to fact check a youtube comment), etc
The newest update fixed alot of these issues, idk if it was in the works for a while or if they added that because of this video, but at least the saramaed hollow is much more playable now :D
SAVE THE DELVER SOCIETY ECLIPSE!!
13:50 this happens with ships like the merchant schooner as well and it genuinely hurts because every time i turn my camera i literally cannot see anything for a good 2-3 seconds
If I had to put the origin into 4 words, it'd be "all style, no substance."
That's how the game feels ngl
So I'd like to give my own two cents on a few of these things, not that my two cents matter much but it may help with some of the disappointment to show off some of the good things about the Origin.
First off, As a progression Saramaed hollow is trash no doubt but it does have a massive loot table that allows players who can't fight Maestro, layer 2, or Diluvian to access enchant stones with relative ease. Once you're power 20 most builds can wipe out the monsters pretty quick.
Second off, This Origin doesn't lock you out of the trial of one like some do and allows for prog that is faster than boss spam, if you trial of one and then pager at starswept you can gain exp incredibly quickly while also massively boosting your rep with all factions in the area. It's easier than fighting certain bosses at low level and the rep boost makes getting things such as Chainwarden or Contracter (If you're in the Etrean Luminant) significantly easier since you can take contracts from each respective faction without having to run all the way to their board and back.
Third off, The Faction exclusive deep drill is really nice, if you're confident in your layer 2 gameplay it cuts down your time by about half to get to chaser and being that you don't have lighthook you get the light-hookless bonus when using it making it technically the best farm endgame for the speed boost.
That being said Saramaed is still incredibly disappointing as a progression path and with a lack of endgame features beyond the deep drill I really hope your video gives them the kick in the ass needed to give the origin a slight revamp.
Bro these devs man, like when you see the changes to the patch notes for the dungeon and it’s basically just stuff stated in this video (like removing X-ray on broods, sharko scream not goin through walls,) you just have to think if they’re even doing their jobs as devs
1:47 tysm for covering this, but i was laughing my ass off when the brood lord just punches the bloat skipper into oblivion
I will never consider playing Deepwoken, even before watching this video. Though I am fine with listening in and taking a look at people’s thoughts about the game. I don’t wanna feel even more stressed from this game!
Deepwoken player here. Don't play the game is the definition of mid
Ngl youre missing out alot. As a pretty new player its gotten alot easier to learn new things.
@@ALuckyDime DONT LISTEN TO EM. RUN THE OTHER WAY
@@axhfoediv just wait till ur on your 28261738 character tryna get a legendary resonance.
@@Zattacca_200 I'M RUNNING
I just find it annoying that the DEVELOPERS cant even realize it themselves when something is terrible or broken. The community really shouldn't have to step in
It's possibly the fastest progression if you just stack monster bounties and do them for a ton of exp and reputation.
The best way to progress the origin is to not play the origin.
The hollow is just terrible for progressing.
It's really boring and lackluster, shouldn't the ignition be drilling through the depths?
It's my favorite origin now just because of the boosted mission exp, and being able to safely grind with players at lordsgrove with the union pager.
DDOS material
4:51 Honestly i do agree with the enemies should die to the lava, but one reason they most likely didnt make it that way is because it would allow an easy cheese to the dungeon all you'd have to do is mine and no one wants that. I've played the dungeon multiple times with my friends before and I agree its boring since u kill, mine over and over atleast they made the loot good.
There should be an invisible wall for the mobs (just like for that one bone keeper in layer 2) OR just give the mobs better pathfinding/add a way for the mobs to escape the lava
@@TheBigNoob_TBN or just rework the map in general. Remove mob spawns near lava pool and do all of the necessary changes Eclipse suggested for a good map.
@@plxyer3813 They definitely spent more time on map design than the actual concept so they definitely wouldn't do that. The best course of action that isn't too time consuming is to add invisible *mob walls near large chasms and increase the tick and tick damage you take from standing in lava pools. *(Invis walls that stop mobs)
OR just make the giant lava chasm shoot you back out (like the green jump pads) while doing heavy fire damage. Hell, make it do the same to mobs
@@TheBigNoob_TBN That could be a nice fix ngl
society would be thriving if eclipse came up with our game ideas
Oh, the testing? They, for some reason, thought it's a good idea to let people know they did their homework an hour before the deadline, hence the update's release at like 7pm for me instead of the usual 1pm.
The update they made just fixed some of the things you mentioned, like the broodlord xray and lava damages the mobs now.
The community is probably convinced that you are the voice for deepwoken's issues now.
This video helped alot it fixed the sharko issue being able to hit you through walls and the lava not killing enemies
The title, the way he speaks, the way he comments on the mistakes and issues, it just shows he has so much respect for the devs and for the game, and in light of these issues, he is not angry but disappointed, because he knows they can do better.
9:52 ngl im thankful that as a D3 Hollow user I only got around playing after the change logs said they changed it to clumping the ores… (yes, originally the ores did not clump together). I also kinda ended up making ore routes for 5-7 ores on every map that don’t require me to climb or dash…
The only thing making Hollow halfway decent is the end game loot, progging through it is so bad that it’s only worth it if you genuinely just hate encountering other people and you wanna just lock in for 3 hours and do a slow prog with tons of cash…
Hollow genuinely has some really good loot, past 1.5k meters you get chests filled with 3 star cyans and purples including my favorite equipment, Ignition Gauntlets which give an innate talent which normally only like 1 outfit in the entire game has along with really good pip stats.
Also the dungeon really needs more variety, let us get more depths mobs since it’s clearly meant to be an area in between the layers, give us some Terrapods, Gigameds, Nightmare Threshers, King Threshers, and so on, PLEASE.
And add a way to skip floors once you’ve beaten it.. floors 800-1400 are worthless compared to 1500+
funny how (as far as i remember) everything he said in the video has been addressed 5 or so hours after the fact, quite humorous
fun fact The brutelords are blind which means they go off hearing. This is why they get agro through walls.
The fact that they fixed like all of the stuff you complained about is wild
it’s worth noting that the enemies that fall into the lava can return to their spawn areas if you go far enough away from them. it’s still incredibly annoying though
That's insane- Sharko attacking through walls got called a "bug" and they can't do that anymore. Brutes/Broodlords now don't have an Xray vision and now IgnitionUnion has a bank and anitquarian in depths. Seemingly after your video it got done- although I think it might be a little stretching it out- But nice to see those things FINALLY touched- Now we wait for sarameed hollow polish
Thx for your feedback ! They just made lava damage ennemies and muskipper brute are not able to detect you trough walls anymore ! They really listen..to you at least.
Fun fact, on the day that the dungeon / mines thing was released, the update was pushed back a few hours because for some dumbass reason, they had Archmage design and program the entire dungeon unplanned on the same day that it came out
megalodaunts shooting ''needles'' throught walls has been a problem in the game for years at this point i cant even remember all the slots i lost to that bullshit
You missed one of the good points of this origin, they have an exclusive furnance only for igniton unions, (im pretty sure its exclusive since i tried to use it on my non-ignition union origin and it didn't give a choice to turn in the alloys) but you can turn in 3 pluripotent alloys for a smith alloy, which in turn you can craft into armourer's alloy. These relics are pretty good for getting armor with insane pips. And you can go to the chariot spire or something, this doesn't matter tbh.
eclipse disappointed father arc
bait used to be believeable- HOLY SHIT IS THAT THE RED MIST?!!?
Holy... THAT IS THE RED MIST
Holy shit is that the red mist
THE RED MIST ?
its so funny that the latest update log included 3 things you complained about including a problem that has been there since release (sharko coral spear going through wall). Eclipse, what a man you are...
I do want to say while the origin is lacking, Arch is actively improving on it, unlike other content where the devs just ignore it, arch has openly said in the discord that he will continously add onto the origin due to how lackluster it is, he's even read a whole doc me and Deepdelver Sushi (A member of the community obsessed with the ignition union) wrote and stuff like the pager, the armours,etc came from that doc. While the player feedback issue is really prominent, the origin is like the only exception since it's been getting updated and things have been gotten added onto it since it came out
What is the dumbest and/or stupidest thing you've ever had to bear witness to during your time as a youtuber?
fair and honest video, as many, it concerns me as many things go left untested or change or buggy for so long. Deepwoken Devs need help or to seriously change up their act in order to handle their game.
Another thing, parts of the video remember me of The Angry Video Game Nerd, completely a good thing, he does funny reviews of crappy old games. However it does make me sad that Deepwoken has such avoidable problems.
Eclipse, I'm 5 minutes deep, I agree with everything you said so far and devs seem to think the same, you talked about the problem of lava DMG to mobs and the update log contains a information about it doing DMG now, the second think about the broodlords/brutes they made them NOT have x-ray vision, I think you really did influence the deppwoken devs
they had the chance to make the origin a layer 2 focused origin where you had a special area of layer 2 made for freshies thats less dangerous (no traps/bs). That gave you more xp then divers for more of a challenge cause ngl deepbound is quite easy once you learn how to prog it.
So you want devs to make an "easier location for freshies" in layer 2, and immediately after that you suggest they add something difficult there... what??
@@СергейЛяховский-з5е i am talking about a more toned down layer 2 but still more difficult then layer 1, if you dont understand i want there to not be bonekeepers around every turn or bounders everywhere. I want there to be new monsters that are weaker then bonekeepers/bounders and are stornger then layer 1 mobs, that spawn when you have a job active.
@@sobasically2299 you want a layer 1.5 basically
@@hugopereira4212 kind of but with layer 2 features and layer 2 monsters it would just be cooler then the current origin
knowing the deep community after awhile people would start complaining that its too easy anyways lol
Eclipse sounds so heartbroken in this video, let's hope deepwoken devs come to their senses and start improving already existing content instead of rushing to add something new.
Now they’re gonna make it better ‘cos you spoke up. Thank you.
7:25
when you union things in roblox studio (which is most likely what they used to optimize this place)
it makes the collisions of the part extremely wonky. its either you have weird invisible walls or you are at 25 fps max at all times.
I believe the the current issue with the updates is that they are suffering from lack of meaningful content or content that should be worked on more but released regardless in order to meet the weekly update status quo. There is nothing wrong with weekly updates, but having them to have content in some way or form every week leads to burnout, over-saturation of content, and content that should had been pushed out together with other content to add extra hype over
THANK YOU for speaking up about player feedback being ignored, it means a lot.
the funniest part is theres no reason using the new dungeon to progress an ignition origin slot because using the pager and just farming normally at starswept valley is just so much faster. The EXP gain from the pager is actually so fast that its just simply better than going lone warrior because you can for some reason go into trial of one with the ignition origin. They made a better trial of one origin.
you know even if it was rushed, the fact that they got that much done in 2 days makes me wonder where the hell is conquest after almost 2 years
fun fact. They got an invsiable wall that only mobs can interact with but not the player in the game. If you wanna know where: the bonekeeper bridge in layer 2. The bonekeeper can't fall of there but you can. Would it really have been so hard to set up a few of those walls in this dungeon so enemies don't walk into the lava?
This is what I wanna see for this dungeon and I would like to know your thoughts:
I want the max depth to be way higher. I want the map rotation and selection system to be revamped. I want the mob difficulty to be revamped. I want the rewards system to be revamped. I want the maps themselves to be tweaked.
I have a video on my channel I made a bit ago that showcases just an example or concept algorithm I made for the mob difficulty that the devs can make something off of or get an idea of. It gives a much better to the devs than just words in my opinion and it is something I am able to make without knowing how Deepwokens internal systems work such as their loot-tables. I will not be talking about mob difficulty or loot below as I believe they can do it dynamically with how deep down the player goes (depth).
(the starting depth is a bit random in-game rn)
Starting Depth to 2K Depth:
Rotates between 6 different maps at random that are pretty open and easy to traverse with ways to get up after falling down
Instead of lava, have magma that damages you 2.5% of your maxhealth every second you stand on it
Monsters have tougher skin than you and cannot be damaged by the magma
2.1K Depth to 6K Depth:
Rotates between 13 different maps at random that are also pretty open but might have some jumps to get across stuff and some jagged edges with steeper hills. It shall also have little beaches below the giant rocks you spawn on up above. These little stone beaches will allow you to struggle to get on after falling into the lava which is discussed below.
Instead of magma, have actual lava that damages you 12.5% of your maxhealth every second while being in it. Instead of just standing on it, reuse the not being able to swim echo modifier (One Bit) animation so that it looks like you are struggling to get out of the lava as you swim out of it before you die. It will be just like drowning in water instead of something you stand on and of course it will be recolored to be lava. You will be able to swim to the little stone beaches as said above to get out of the lava. After getting out of the lava, you will still be on fire damaging you 2.5% of your maxhealth every second instead.
Monsters will not be able to swim out of the lava and will take damage by 20% of their maxhealth every second and if they have ranged attacks they will still be able to shoot you while they struggle until they melt in the lava. If you dealt damage to this monster and then they died in the lava, you will only receive a quarter of the EXP.
6.1K Depth to 7K Depth:
Rotates between 6 different maps at random that are way less open and are almost labyrinth like added with steep and sharp drops and edges. There is more cracks of lava in places where you can get set on fire. At the start there will be full on tunnels that you can traverse that lead to bigger and more open rooms with pits of bubbling molten metal. The lightning in these levels will be much darker and you will also loose thirst faster while running around in these levels.
Instead of lava, there is molten metal composed of iron and nickel. You and monsters will instantly explode upon dipping into the metal having all your blood boil into steam, bursting out your pores; tearing your or the monsters skin in the process. You won't receive EXP for hitting monsters into the metal.
There can be an extra check here in the code that scales up the loot multiplier for these levels. This will still work with the dynamic system because if the depth here isn't present, then it will just proceed with whatever else.
Some monster tweaks:
If a monster every gets too far away from it's spawnpoint and not attacking anything for too long have it get teleported back to it's spawnpoint. Have the stone monsters or as I called them "cobbled" only have some parts of it turned to stone so you can still identify what monster it is such as not being able to tell the difference between a cobbled Broodlord and a cobbled Mudskipper Brute.
General additions to the maps:
Add bigger rocks in the pits for players to fall onto instead of having gigantic pits (not in the final levels). Spice up the lava geyser pits with maybe some chunky lava or lava dripping down the sides with cracks. Add more dead flowers and maybe some scorched trees to improve the look. Add some bubble particle effects to the lava and maybe some charcoal-like or burnt dust floating in the air or falling from the ceiling. Maybe add some like burn logs or some skeletons of monsters floating in the lava. There are probably many more things that could be added, but I think this would boost the atmosphere a lot.
Important map tweaks:
Fix the improper collision geometry on the rock/spike meshes so the "invisible walls" problem doesn't occur.
Special permanent tool given to you upon picking the origin:
You are given a "Basket" which will be modeled after a rattan backpack. Upon using this tool, you equip it on your back. While wearing the Basket, as you mine ores, you can fill up the inventory of the Basket. The Basket can hold 16 materials and each ore is equal to 1 material while an Ignition Dungeon Crystal (drill fuel) takes up 2 materials. If you mine while not having the Basket equipped, the ores act like normal. If you right-click on the Basket in your inventory you can "Dump" it out into your inventory or if it is a Ignition Dungeon Crystal, it will be dumped onto the floor infront of you. You will be able to attack while wearing the Basket but the more ore you have, you will move at a slower pace. You will not be able to unequip the Basket if there are ores inside of it. Upon death, you lose all ores instead of the Basket and spawn with it unequipped.
An extra note:
If you are wondering why I think there so be so many maps, they made the 3 maps and the entire rest of the dungeon in a single day. I think they can take like a month to make the 25 maps and make them quality. I feel like there should be a lot of different things to explore cuz like I'm traveling underground in a crazy dangerous place with the ground having lava cracking into it. You are literally going thousands of meters under the Earth's (or whatever planet Deepwokens world is on) surface. You are working this job for this crazy company researching cutting edge technology who sent you into the deepest parts of the planet to fetch information that they need to continue research. The Ignition Union literally setup base in The Eternal Gale, they are battling gods man.
Thanks for taking the time to read my ideas!
4:07 They do test. They test the entire week, lots of things get added and removed. Yell st agamatsu
If they do test why is it like this? It's so buggy and it's just a mess, and like he said the big issue was that the mobs get stuck and you can't get rewards and is just something that would not fly under the radar easily.
As agamatsu himself has said, a lot of the testers bring up very valid and well thought out suggestions or bugs but the devs dont always check. This origin was rushed and made within a week, and only touched upon maybe 3 times after.
Saramaed Hollow was made in a day, arch mentioned he couldn't get any testers on before pushing the weekly. they apparently have over 200...
This is an issue thats plagued the game for a LONG time new stuff coming out and being either untested or just plain unfinished
The problem ,is not just them releasing something unfinished but its also that they dont go back to finish said thing the same issue with Ignition deepcrusher.
Comrade Durak approves. Such thoughtfulness towards the commune, the regime is proud of Eclipse thinking more about societal benefits.
Deepwoken is gonna let me down ir they dont add the chef oath this friday
Certainly not that, but MAYBE we'll get a new Flamecharm legendary! Yeah, they shour REALLY REALLY add another one!
Union origin is even more pointless than you think, because only good thing about it, you got job tablet that shows you nearby jobs. To enter dungeon you don't even need to be igniton delver.
As of the update today, broodlords won't have xray vision, and the lava now hurts mobs, sharko's coral laser no longer goes through walls as well. Just wanted to mention that.
I think something that would help the origin would be making the ores a currency like the kyrsan medallion. Whatever extra ores you can take back up with you and spend on rewards. If they really want it to be good they could turn it into a real roguelike and make it so spending ores can be used to modify and upgrade your run. Imagine spending 10 ores before your run and bow the drill is equpped with turrets that deal damage to nearby enemies like the one in castle light. Or spend like 50 and permanently make it so that your drill needs one less ore to go down for each tier. Or maybe even something like a hard mode with 20 ore and for that run it spawns more modified mobs for each floor but the loot in the chests get boosted to have something that can compete with diluvian.
The invisible wall thing is collision fidelity. It is set to auto/performance which makes roblox make a different collision box to better performance. It is the default option so they didnt bother checking.
The exp is really bad It's a cool concept but it's kind of lack luster, all you do is collect ore kill all mobs and continue I wish it had more to do or something like that. I really like the loot it's really good on the later stages but it takes about an hour of mining killing mobs and repeating the process just for the good loot.
With the enemies not taking damage from lava there is a similar issue in upper erisia with the acid. The enemies just don't take damage from it, even human enemies. Now when you fall into acid when youre nocked you just die, but when npcs get nocked in acid they just lay there untill they get back up.
11:06 you can actually climb with that but the crystal has Hitbox so it makes anything more hard for so reason
Its crazy how one person can just say everything everyone had been saying for weeks and it gets it all fixed in 5 hours
the dungeon was literally made in 1 day (confirmed by archmage). this is what happens when you rush content. they have an entire WEEK to do this shit and they just do everything last minute. thats the problem with the weekly updates is they dont do them in one week, they do them in a DAY
Wow! Watched the whole video and its so good,
ikr
Save us eclipse, your our only hope.
not to say you made this video for nothing its just that this dungeon isn't exclusive/ part of the ignition union. Its just an over world version of deepbound spawning at the deluvient mechanism which everyone can use regardless of orgin. The buff of going ignition union is just not very good until recently. As all it had was an ability to use job boards everywhere and exp buff for dungeon and jobs. But now i would argue its actually decent just for layer 2 speed runs and smith alloy farming. This is because you can use the drill in the union base in the depth to skip all the way to the end of bounder nest (quite sure) at the cost of not having light hook and combin 3 purplet alloy (the relic to upgrade beginner weapons to end game) into a smith alloy (the relic to give your weapon or increase the star on the weapon)
The whole point of testing not being done and it feeling unfinished this is probably 100% true since arc mage himself said that he was pulling an all nighter to make the entire dungeon in one day
I will say that I’m glad there’s at least a progression choice where you can go at your own pace without having to worry about getting voidwalked or ganked
do you remember that Arcane lineage game, with the weird developer? Well the game got sold to new owners fishgroupstudios, I remember thinking the game was really bad wich it was, but the point here is, the new devs are revamping the entire game rn and my question is, are you going to try it again? I would love to see your opinion bc it was and still is one of my favourite games
btw the revamp will probably release next year
classic deepwoken being unnecessarily hard, not because it's a "hardcore game" but because of bad game design and glitches/bugs.
I find it funny how they fixed most of these issues RIGHT after he posted this video. This is definitive proof they only listen to figure-heads, literally most if not ALL of the issues were addressed just a couple of hours after this was made...
in defence of the invisible walls, there has been a bug going on (not sure for how long since i last played yesterday and not counting that then i played over 4 months ago) where specifically slopes are invisible, not all of them but many are