Irish Guards march along The Mall
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- The Irish Guards marching along The Mall in London to Horse Guards Parade for The Colonel's Review - the second full dress rehearsal for Trooping The Colour.
At the front is the battalion's mascot, an Irish wolfhound called Conmael. The Irish Guards are allowed to have their mascot lead them in parade. Behind are the military band, the fifes and drums and the pipers who are playing in this clip.
The tunes played here are all Irish. The first is Kelly the Boy from Killane; at 0:36 it changes to The Minstrel Boy; at 1:11 The Sash; and at 1:47 The Wearing of the Green. You can research the histories of all these tunes on Wikipedia.
The Wearing of the Green and The Sash one after the other. That's a first. Nice to see them marching together as one.
I was in a Scottish regiment - back in the early 1960s the 1st Battalion had an Irish Regimental Sergeant Major, a wonderful man, strict but fair, originally from Dublin. When he marched the Battalion onto the parade ground on his first parade as RSM the Pipes and Drums struck up 'The Sash' - he good naturedly shook his fist at them - then they broke into 'The Wearing Of The Green' - big beaming smile from the Tara! Happy days!
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That's fantastic! I can just see it now.
Wolfhound not in step. Bad order.
The dog would answer, you can barely do it with two feet and I've got four . . . ."
Show Parade: dog, out-of-step, times one!
Ulster Guards? My father was from Galway as were his brothers,And they and I served in this great regiment. Many Thousands have served from the Republic as well as the north, There have always been Irishmen serving in the British army...Get over it...
1:47 One of the guardsmen lining the route has just attracted the attention of the NCO with the staff. In my experience, attracting any NCO's attention usually did not turn out the way I would have liked it to.
@seosamh1921 2. The regiment
The regiment was indeed founded on the blood of Irish people. The current Irish Guards were founded in 1900 by Queen Victoria to mark the gallantry of the Irish regiments in the second Boer War. An earlier regiment of Irish Guards fought on the side of James II at the Battle of the Boyne in 1690.
Smart body of men,but the wolfhound steals the day unless some ignoramus suggests that it too is a murderer
haha
the pupster is great but he does look a bit dysplasic
@@raphaelbate9362 He looks like he's thinking, "My people get coats, but I'm out here in just my own bloody fur!"
Who would have thought that my little tourist video would arouse such lively debate! There are some deep sensitivities here, and I now know more about them than before.
My stance on all of this? I think these fine tunes lie well together in this ecumenical set. I have nothing but goodwill for these soldiers and musicians. If they are playing your tune you should be flattered. It was their day, and they did a magnificent job. It's also their turf and they can play anything they want. End of.
The Irish in the south have always got this inferiority complex with the British. They try to slag us off to anybody who they'll think will listen. Never works tho.
It's an Irish Wolfhound and is amongst the biggest breeds of dogs out there.
As a great grandson of an Irish guard I feel very proud every time I see them on parade, god save the queen from the Emerald Isle ☘️ 🇬🇧
Liam C I know my full history my friend every part of it, god save the queen and the Union 🇬🇧
Fact 1: More Irish people have fought for the British Army then against the British Army.
Fact 2: More Irish people have fought for the British Army then the Irish Army.
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@@noodlyappendage6729 My grandfather was one of the ww2 era Irish-British Army volunteers.
Even in days of darkness, the Irish are our closest kin, and are have our back, despite recent history with the RA
@@carterjones8126it is genuinely nice to see comments like this and not hate comments that I would normally see
looking at some of the comments here...it reminded me.......it is a practice in the irish guards that politics and ones faith are never discussed..they have the right idea......nice piping , great tunes!
Love it when they play the sash
We have the best soldier in the world and now we are beginning to appreciate them
This debate is now closed because
(1) this is not the appropriate platform,
(2) you cannot discuss complex issues adequately in 500 character chunks,
(3) I am not an expert in Irish history - but will answer your points to date, and
(4) gaelicpiper, you are not objective or questioning enough to be sufficiently reliable. You have your own site for your message easily accessible from here.
All future posts of this nature here will be deleted. Please respect my wishes.
My sympathy goes to the dog and the bass drummer! the dog for its great patience, and the drummer for his endurance, what a mighty arm he must have.
bass drummer
I'm an animal lover and not worried for the wolfhound as I expect he leads a good life and loved by many of the soldiers
Erm, the same reason anyone would put on a raincoat if it's raining?
That and the fact that it would be better if the tunic was kept dry. It's also minimises the damage that water can cause to some of the instruments like the clarinet.
Oh and the dog is the mascot of the Irish Guards, his name is Conmael .
Hearing the “sash” played down the mall..............never gets old. No Surrender!! 🇬🇧
ULSTERISBRITISH 1690 grow up
Wearing of the green also it's great we also played the foggy dew Kelly the boy from killane the boys of Wexford none of it's gets old really. Quis Seperabit
ine Ireland back to the Irish! it is getting old........ wait for Brexit......... the Republic will look even better~
I hate to break it to you but they are actually playing Irish Molly O. They don't play sectarian tunes and if you think they do you should educate yourself. Also, they don't play the dawning of the day, they play an fainne geal an lae. Check it out. Looks like you will be both ill-informed and disappointed.
If you insist on an Ulster Song try this one ua-cam.com/video/UPI_tHNjS78/v-deo.html
The people who make up the irish guards come from all over ireland, not just the north.
MichaelGsTar132 and Manchester and Liverpool too
They join as private citizens. They don't represent the sovereign state of Ireland.
Eoin English LOL you again! Eoin you watch Irish guards videos!?! Who knew! I watch them as I'm going to phase 1 and stumbled upon your comment. :)
Tim Johnson Jr let's hope geography/geopolitics isn't part of the training Tim or you're in big trouble! I highly doubt it is to be fair- in fact I'm told they like them good and thick. You'll do great!
MichaelGsTar132 the Irish guards is made up of men from every corner of Britain. And regardless if men from the south join they are joining the British army and pledging allegiance to the Queen and Britain , basically giving a 🖕🏻 to most things Irish while doing the one thing very few of the southern Irish do which is honouring the brave men from the south who fought for freedom and democracy under the crown and give. Their lives only to be ignored by “the south” so I really don’t see what point your trying to make claiming southern presence in the guards. It’s mute 🤐
The Last tune played is the Wearing of the Green not the Orange ABC which is sung to the British Grenadiers. The tune to which the Sash is sung is an Irish Republican tune called the Battered Old Black Cap, the Londonderry Air is a Song otherwise known as in her bright bosom, Danny Boy is the Catholic version sung to the same tune in the same way as " Londonderry on the Banks of the Foyle" Changes to become "Lovely Derry on the Banks of the Foyle" .
I didn't mention any dates; you should check yours. Dion Boucicault (or Boursiquot, but not your spelling) lived from 1820 to 1890. He added a third verse to WOTG and included it in his play Arrah-na-Pogue where it is sung by Shaun the Post. This part was played by Boucicault himself in the first performance at the Theatre Royal, Dublin on 7 November 1864 (20th century?).
You may be confusing this Dion Boucicault with his son, born in New York, who had the same name and lived from 1859 to 1929.
@EarthPlays
Both regiments have their distinct histories and of course the Irish Guards are part of the Guards Division while the Royal Irish are infantry of the line. So expect public duties if you join the Guards, i.e. guarding Buckingham Palace etc.
It's just a matter of which regiment you want to see yourself become a part of.
Also, they're not swinging their arms to full height because they're wearing their capes and carrying their SA80s in their right hand under there as well.
Yes, I think so. They took them off for the parade on Horse Guards Parade.
Nothing here conflicts with what I wrote. I know that WOTG does not mention St Patrick's Day.
I was referring to the way that the original words were forgotten as the tune travelled and people came to unauthentic conclusions from just the title and the tune. I was on your side on this one.
I mentioned one example. A more extreme one is The Wearing of the Grin, a Porky Pig cartoon dating from 1951. It's on youtube. Have a look - you won't like it.
Many Americans have served in the British Army, the French Foriegn Legion. and the Spanish Foriegn Legion. Just think how many Americans serve in the Israeli army. Whats your point ?.
I am proud to have served in the Micks.
But also as an Irishman I can understand why some Irish feel this way. I am not saying it is right but will explain. It is to do with the Irish desire for independence ever since Elizabeth established the pale and set to destroy Irish people. The resentment to mascots is in part due to an awareness of the fact that these are Irish things being appropriated in an insincere manner by the "English". Irish/Scots/Welsh symbols becoming "British" (aka English)
@UlsterScotKeith .... and are you suggesting that these are not the 'Irish' Guards?
Call me crazy but there's something nice about their capes.
I wish someone has footage of them taking off on Horse Guards Parade in order to begin Trooping the Colour.
Very smart body of men.
Thank you for sharing and thanks to meehall121 for sending.
@MrSuperkrap
My uncle was ex-rn and from Donegal. He went onto work for the admiralty in belfast. He got burned out in 1972 while living in the sandy row in belfast.
Proud Irish Regiment
There not Irish!
William Wallace some may be
@@eoghancarpenter8546 without a doubt. There are many serving men and Women from Eire in the British armed forces. The Irish Guards are obviously a British unit.
@@bigbird6039 Some people would have animosity towards them but I believe that the vast majority myself included have great pride for these men Irish Guards or not
@@eoghancarpenter8546 That’s very true Eoghan. I’ve stood shoulder to shoulder at different times with men from Dublin, Cork, and Limerick. All good honest men . We weren’t divided by history or animosity. We were united by fealty and comradeship . Looking forward together has to be better than looking back with bitterness. Godbless you Eoghan.
If I am not mistaken ,the tune in between The Minstrel Boy and The Rising Of The Moon,is The Sash. Keeps everyone happy I suppose.
My Uncle Chris rest in peace and know that he is remembered by loving relatives and honored by his brothers and sisters in arms.
Thanks, gaelicpiper, for correcting me on the first tune, Like or not, The Wearing of the Green is often used to signify joy at wearing green on St Patrick's Day - very, very different from the grim original. For example, it's a pizzicato scherzo in Leroy Anderson's Irish Rhapsody (1949).
Research Rule Britannia (and Britannia) and you'll find a development that is as complex and fluid as for any of the tunes here. I have never heard it used as a march.
Good tunes develop and know no borders.
Thanks very much for that - now corrected.
If you notice the band played The Sash immediately followed by The Wearing Of The Green. It's tradition in Irish regiments (and certain Scottish regiments too)! Doesn't matter what religious denomination a soldier is, their loyalty is to each other and the Regiment.
And their oath of allegiance.
@seosamh1921 1. The Dog
The dog is a gift of the Irish Wolfhound Society, intended to promote the breed. The first was presented in 1902 shortly after the formation of the regiment and was called Brian Boru. The current mascot is called Conmael. Why shouldn't they have an Irish wolfhound? I'm Scottish and I am sure nobody in Scotland would object to you having a wee Scottish terrier to keep you company, or grazed a Highland cow in your garden.
I love the dog mascot.
That wolfhound rocks!
Well thank you very much! I've just watched it.
I guess they removed it to present arms and all that.
Emptyangel, just for you I've added a very short clip showing the guards lining The Mall removing their capes just before the start of this video.
In 1707 when the Great britain came together to be a union the new army regiments that fought at the battle of the boyne were given Orange decrees for the loyalty in defeating the catholic forces of king james.The brits are big on tradition so why should they forget their roots.Its alright to play the sash. You say king william aint an irish tradition if you remember it was this man who defeated king james on irish soil he was also a member of the dutch house of Orange.All the bits come together
Top notch....
long live great britain, germany, and the USA!
Matt07b
1min 13 seconds is the Sash my father wore.
Well firstly it is spelled coloUrs!! LOL
It is simply tradition, when marching we don't carry the Jack or Colours unless they are going to be trooped or bear significance. The union jack in not carried again it never has been unless in times of war.
Why are they wearing capes? And what are the guards carrying underneath them?
It's winter, or raining, something like that. They're carrying rifles, L85A2.
Capes were worn due to the rainy weather, at the parade ground or when being a streetliner, as you can see in the video, capes are not worn. They carry their rifle under the cape, but holding it on the magazine instead
My great grandad served with the Irish guards during ww2 :)
My deepest condolences on the loss of your uncle. He was, is, and will always be a hero and a defender of liberty, just as much as the men who fought at El Alamein or the Somme. All of us in the 'Anglosphere' are cognizant of the service of sacrifice of men like your uncle. We're all with you.
You've got a superb video camera there. I was there recording the music on mini disc great recording.
Thanks for the service of your uncle Chris. He and all the other Micks are fine men from a fine and noble regiment. You have everyone's sympathy, and I share the sentiment. You can and should be proud of him.
Playin the sash i see? Wonder how the irish-catholic soldiers felt about that one. But fair play I guess i've seen them play "Whisky In The Jar" which is a traditional southern-irish song.
The term "the British Isles" is simply a convention that was adopted by some but not all. It is not used in Ireland.
I want to be an Irish guard
Danny Boy is more associated with the Republican Tradition than that of the of the Protestant tradition of the City of Londonderry/Derry whether or not the Lyrics were added by an Englishman the Tune is the Londonderry Air and if you look on any recording until recently you will see it called by that name, however it is now more popularly known as the Irish Tune from County Derry, same tune just changed it's title as the County Name was Changed by Derry City Council.
@youplonker The first tune is about a guy who was hung by the British for armed rebellion against the British Army ; Kelly of Killann. The second tune ; the Dawning of the day is another Irish rebel tune. The Irish Guards apparently play a tune called let erin remember which is about Irish traitors who go over to the side of the Foreign aggressor mentioning Malachy wearing the collar of gold about Art McMurrough's uncle. Maybe the British Army could play "Bloody sunday" to be perfectly absurd???
help me out guys...if your from the north of ireland your born a brit and dont have a irish passport but have a british one....and the republica of ireland is south and have irish passports and not british passports...if this is right then if your from the north ireland then your army is british not irish...i know a lot of people from the north call themselves irish if i was born there i would too but are they seen as brits or irish men .... thanks for the info guys and any help clearing up
I'm surprised no one slipped in fell...
You can see one on the ground next to the street liner at 0:25. Can't fix bayonets under that thing, would spike right through it!
What a nice Irish Wolfhound they have! :))
Nah, a Lambeg drum is much bigger, has a very different sound and is used for a different purpose.
i never tire of this clip...
I also have to add that the grey cloaks you see them wearing here are not part of what they would normally wear.
It's funny how the soldiers lining the Mall are not wearing their cloaks but the others on parade are. I'm sure there's a reason behind it.
I believe the dog's name is Conmael
I stand corrected on 1798.
By all accounts the 1803 revolt was a heroic failure and Lord Norbury sentenced RE to be hung, drawn and quartered.
There seems to be agreement that:
The execution took place in Thomas Street opposite St Catherine's Church (your St Ann St.?)
He was hanged and then beheaded when dead (what is your evidence that the full sentence was applied?)
What is your evidence for the burning and scattering on the Liffey? Why the debate on where he is buried if you are correct?
I got the information from the collection of source documents in the Calthrop Boucicault Special Collection in the Templeman Library at the University of Kent. Throughout the documents the spelling is as I used. Your spelling is as per Wikipedia.
There was a Royal Irish Rangers (27th (Inniskilling), 83rd and 87th) 1968-1992 which then became the Royal Irish Regiment in 1992 and still exists today.There was also an earlier Royal Irish regiment in service from 1684-1922 and was also known as the 18th Regiment of Foot. Check it out. Never was Ulster guards - a fiction!
Looks a wonderful day? Soaking wet in No 1s
We're on guard at Buckingham Palace today
Is it just me or are a bunch of guys really out of step?
Was that the sash ...excellent
The guards lining the Mall were in fact wearing capes but removed them literally seconds before the beginning of the clip.
The Minstrel Boy to the war is gone
In the ranks of death you will find him;
His father's sword he hath girded on,
And his wild harp slung behind him;"
Land of Song!" said the warrior bard,
"Tho' all the world betrays thee,
One sword, at least, thy rights shall guard,
One faithful harp shall praise thee!"
The Minstrel fell! But the foeman's chain
Could not bring that proud soul under;
The harp he lov'd ne'er spoke again,
For he tore its cords asunder,. And said no hand shall sully thee, thou soul of love and brav'ry, Thy songs were made for the pure and free, They shall never sound in slavery
Great grand nephew of a mick 🍀 QS
@LordWellington15 I knew that. I was just saying "Irish troops" the way I might say "Scottish troops" of the Scots Guards and know very well that they're British.
fantastic vid
@beverage2008 I respect your sensibilities, but in political terms Scotland *is part of Great Britain. I got the impression that a lot of Scots are pretty miffed with people equating Britain and England, actually.
The colours are to the rear of the Escort. At the start of the parade the Colours themselves are not held by the Ensign, but handed over to him as part of the ceremony. You'd need to watch the whole event, the Colours change position several times depending on the point in the parade. They lead the Escort for the slow march, but return to the rear for the quick march...
The Minstrel boy. : )
Rule Britannia!
There was the royal irish fusilers part of the 36th ulster division but the problem here mate,can i call you mate is that nobody seems to read other peoples comments correctly.I said there was no such regiment called the ULSTER GUARDS look at my comment ffs.I mention the royal irish regiment when your in that regiment your known as a ranger.In respect to you mate you check out my post to you i think it vindicates me i said theres no such regiment as the ulster guards you check it. It is fiction
@drizztinator he is a senior guard, mostly probaly a sergeant major, thats a pace stick he is carrying, for measurement of marching step/spacing
The two tunes immediately preceding it - 'Kelly the Boy From Killane' and 'The Ministrel Boy', and the one after it 'The Rising of the Moon' are old rebel tunes, funny to see the Guards playing them up the Mall!
@MarsFKA : LOL, it would appear that regardless of the branch, or the nation you serve, attracting the atention of a senior NCO works out the same way: BADLY!
acctually the song is called kelly the boy from killan and its about fighting the british and its the original tune
thank you
It certainly is - but please let's not go there again!
My old Regiment QS
You are technically correct - The Minstrel Boy is on Wikipedia's list of Irish Rebel Music - along with The Wearing of The Green.
Thomas Moore's patriotic words, though not explicit, may commemorate (inter alia) his close friend Robert Emmet who took part in uprisings in 1798 and 1803. Emmet was arrested and hanged.
Early versions had an 8 bar introduction - rarely heard today - which surely at least acknowledges Beethoven's 1801 Piano Sonata Op 26/12 [Funeral March on the Death of a Hero].
A fine rousing tune at the end.
Don't f--- with irish soldiers ;)
The soldiers with the blue plume on the right side of their bearskin caps are from the Irish Guards, which is made up of recruits from Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.
The ones with the white plume on the left side of their bearskin caps are from the Grenadier Guards, which doesn't have any particular criteria with regards to where you come from.
Grenadiers are generally from the south of England, whilst Coldstreams are generally from the north. Plenty of exceptions though.
It's the rear of the Escort.
@beverage2008 Having said that,
The dog's name is Conmael.
The first tune, right at the start sounds just like "crags of tumbledown"
Best in the world
The playing of the green followed by the sash in my opinion is great.
@UlsterScotKeith You're right. It's obviously Chinese.
Neat r donny; Thankyou thebigdrum. keep them coming
Hi. I've added the details of the tunes being played to the general information on this video.
You got the 1st, second and 4th one right TBD. The Third one is not the sash. That would be illegal.
Excellent post. My Mam is from O'Connell Street.