Imagine this on labs and having the "if its a slow spell cast, cast me again." You can just one shot the nexus with no trouble at all. But prolly more than 6-8 turns i bet.
That's a pretty cool Mechanic, I imagine it would be similar to Karma's Ult. You get a point on it on lvl 1, low base damage, increase damage with stacks, consume stacks on hit, Low cooldown.
Whoever thought of Darkbulb is a genius. The flavor of each card is too funny and the cartoonish evil nature of veigar and followers are just too good.
The whole playstyle is great, it’s forcing you to recklessly go over the top in deck building all just for one spell that does nothing but massive damage. It’s very Veigar
Minimorph ends Anivia's deck gameplan. They play their first Anivia, and you Minimorph instantly, then they have no way to revive with rekindler anymore and have to rely on drawing a second Anivia to start playing.
Senna is fucking nuts on her you don't even need to level up her level up just an icing on the cake becuse all of sudden you can use decimate in combat and much more
Really feel like Veigar could mesh well with Caitlyn, seeing as she supplies early game and doubles down on damage based control tools with PNZ. That plus a couple minimorph to deal with all-in strats and you've got yourself a pretty solid core of removal. Another option is Zoe. You can go all-in on protection spells and choose either of them as the target to commit to while getting healing + zoe for early game. Plus, Veigar's kit has a bunch of low-cost units which benefit from piles of keywords after Zoe's level-up.
As Swim said: "Its a better vengeance" I personally think this is an amazing card against those decks that have certain wincons that are difficult to stop, and plus its only Bandle region so it is very limited for sure.
My problem with Minimorph isn't so much that it hits Champions (though that is a problem), it's that it pushes a ton of high cost cards even further out of viability. Why would I play Atakhan, Bringer of Ruin when he's immediately going to be turned into a 3/3, when I can just play Cithria, Lady of Clouds and immediately buff my entire board so who cares if she becomes a 3/3. This card further pushes Atakhan, Leviathan, Brightsteel Formation and Dreadway out of the meta and forces us to evaluate 7+ drops as spells over anything else, so only cards like Riptide Rex, Captain Farron, or Rekindler will have any hope of seeing play. It's not that the answer exists, it's that I can't do anything to prevent the answer from happening.
This is very likely to be like Lurk and Predict where the 2nd champion completes the Darkness synergy package, so it looks odd now, but makes sense when the full picture is known
What you were talking about at 23:31, I think Galio would be a great champion to give that. He's a giant petricide gargoyle from Demacia that nullifies magic around him.
Yo Grap, I think Veigar and his cards make a really great home for Mist call and kindred champ spell to be able to instantly summon new copies of them when in danger!
Well if you think about it SI has so many clone options, for example stalking shadows, rekindler, fading memories. A lot of options to get that 3rd darkness and I think 3 can level him consistently
@@mathunit1 I do think he needs one more Darkness creator. Oooor to just create them on round start. Or not limit it to one in hand. Those seem like unnecessary restrictions.
SI can resummoning him for extra darkness and even extra veigars for faster darkness ramp. You can technically run Veigar without BCity, but look at how powercreep BCity is I, personally, can't find a reason to refuse running it
There’ll prob be some more SI cards that generate the darkness (as darkness is a SI card) at which point there’ll be a lot of potential variety for veigar decks
Look to the Art of Darkness and say what champ it makes you think... Senna maybe? Why Darkness have a Green color if it's Veigar spell? Why not blue or at least yellow? One possibility is this card being created by another Shadow Isles champion, and Senna will be launched in this set.
P&Z might not be a bad pairing for Veigar, it gives you access to plenty of efficient and flexible removal as well as Time Trick for selection and Iterative Improvement / Practical Perfectionist to increase your copies of key cards. My first thought was Viktor, but he takes up the same spot on the curve and is another slow wincon, so maybe Ezreal instead? With Darkness being a 3 mana card Tribeam isn't off the table either. Just some random thoughts.
Veigar with Ezreal maybe? Ez is damn OP and Veigar hp its not bad compare to TF or Heimer or Ekko, which make opponent wasted pretty much spell or tricks to kill him
You could try to run Shadow Isles Bilgwater Veigar. Get Darkness through effects like Scribe of Sorrows, Rekindler and Mist's Call used on Veigar and use Kegs from Bilgwater to power level him. Aditionally Tenor of Terror's Impact triggers Plunder.
OMG I lost it on the Raul. That was amazing. Veigar is freaking awesome, he pairs well with quite a few champions and it will be fun to see who's best; Ezrael, Karma and even Lux should be obvious enough, but we just saw Senna today who also generates Darkness and changes it to Fast speed when she attacks. It's about time we had a proper Nuke archetype. Oh right, I guess he pairs well with Victor as well holy crap... Possibly Swain and Fiz ?
Mini-Morph also works well with Heimerdinger. It gives you an elusive turret, and you usually already have some throwaway units to deal with the 3/3. Edit: It would really suck if Veigar doesn’t get any SI support, as that would pretty much nullify his dual-region aspect. He could be run in SI alongside Ionia though with the potential for Recalls and Zephyr Sage for extra Darkness, as meme-y as it would be. Lmao
Victor + Veigar. You're able to make the darkness cost 1 or less very easily. Also he doesn't need to 'see' you play the darkness. You can use the 2 mana create a darkness 2 turns and that is already 6/12. Can also throw in a funsmith.
Burst Veng for 6...that gives the opponent a 3/3 Probably better against big threats backed up by protection (say, Karma), probably even-ish against big threats without protection (say, Leviathan), probably worse against small threats in an emergency (say, Miss Fortune)
@@Zach0451 Yeah but getting a 3/3 instead of youre Fiora that you can't protect because its burst is preatty irrelevant. It literally kills all in Fiora.
Veigar with the kill and revive package of shadow isles looks good chronicler as a example you can create a Darkness just killing and reviving him with chronicler
9:25 yes it does! Resin mining veigar gives you another darkness lol. Picture this: it’s turn 10, you have full spell mana. Stilted robemaker has brought your darkness down to one cost. You spend your round start darkness, then use go get it. Ephemeral summon veigar gives you a darkness. You spend it, THEN summon veigar for another. The enemy next is doomed. All is dark. 🥹
Sooo question? These double region cards, are you forced to use only those regions? Like for ex. Veigar can’t be bandle city/ionia or shadow isle/Ionia??
Veigar is on summon, so you can totaly do chronicler of ruin, and if go get it isnt bugged using it would get you two more darkness if you have mana enough to spend If veigar is viable I bet nopeify will rise in popularity
You play Yasuo Veigar with Shadow Isles: Spam the 3/2 spider that lowers attack and if you have Veigar on board you have his spell in SI with Yasuo. Easy 3 regions deck
Watching this after Senna was revealed made me realize the hoops they had to jump through to make Veigar even function without the other Darkness cards.
Problem with veigar is the same as with zilean. You basically have to build arround the time bombs like you have to build arround darkness. Problem with veigar is that only darkbulb gives darkness, so BC veigar is automarically better than SI.
I think you might not want to put that much effort into protecting veigar since playing him again generates value by giving you another darkness, kinda like with zillean and his timebombs.
2nd Veigar gives you another Darkness but Veigar needs to stay on board to buff Darkness damage on Round Start, so it's like a lose-lose situation. Keep Veigar on board and you get more damage but you don't have a Darkness. Play 2nd Veigar and you get another Darkness, but at bad damage.
"if it was fast it would be so good!"
Senna: allow me to introduce myself.
I can imagine grapplr playing this with karma and yelling in veigar's voice "give me all the darkness" XD
"Friendship with Atrocity ended,
Hello, Darkness my old friend"
-credits to that guy
I live this
Imagine this on labs and having the "if its a slow spell cast, cast me again." You can just one shot the nexus with no trouble at all. But prolly more than 6-8 turns i bet.
Don't bet. It will
if only there was a champion that doubled your spells...
@@naturalkind5591 Karma: *balanced noises*
@@naturalkind5591 and wait till turn 10?
@@CelVini Well veigar lvl up probably at mana 9-12-ish
Looking at the video timeline saw the huge 12 minute block, I could tell beforehand it was gonna be Minimorph
opponent Fiora : you cant kill me *play 7 mana zillean spell*
me : hoppity hippity you are now a minitee
Underrated coment XD
"Oh it buffs Darkness everywhere? That’s carzy!“ now I gotta imagine Veigar losing all his stacks in League after every ult
That'd be cool rework with many implications actually.
@@missquprison Only if he could get stacks faster tho 💀
Yeah. Should be faster to stack and much scarier to face.
That's a pretty cool Mechanic, I imagine it would be similar to Karma's Ult. You get a point on it on lvl 1, low base damage, increase damage with stacks, consume stacks on hit, Low cooldown.
Imagine being Lucian, finding Senna again, and realizing she's been chilling with Veigar and darkness LOL
I dont even play LoR anymore but just here for your commentary :D
lol same playing was too stressful but cant escape the grapp
mood
@@ley5532 azirelia and the sivir decks are so obnoxious
I just download it to admire the art and learn about some lore bits.
same i mean i occasionally play labs XD
"It has to be fast"
Ohohoho cant wait for the Senna reaction
Whoever thought of Darkbulb is a genius.
The flavor of each card is too funny and the cartoonish evil nature of veigar and followers are just too good.
The whole playstyle is great, it’s forcing you to recklessly go over the top in deck building all just for one spell that does nothing but massive damage. It’s very Veigar
Viegar in head the most evil being in runeterra
Viegar in reality: Dr doofensmurchf that ends up doing good deeds instead of evil ones
Minimorph alone could have been a Grapplr UA-cam video on its own xD
“Oh it’s vinegar?“ goddamnit grapplr Lol
I didn't know riot hired grapplr for voice acting
Minimorph ends Anivia's deck gameplan. They play their first Anivia, and you Minimorph instantly, then they have no way to revive with rekindler anymore and have to rely on drawing a second Anivia to start playing.
Lee sin and Fiora are crying in the corner
I love his reaction when he realizes the damage increase doesn't reset
I think that they purposely made veigar a bit underwhelming, because of the potential synergy with senna. Just my opinion tho.
Yea you were right lmao
Senna is fucking nuts on her you don't even need to level up her level up just an icing on the cake becuse all of sudden you can use decimate in combat and much more
Riot should print a card that un-transforms transformed units
Really feel like Veigar could mesh well with Caitlyn, seeing as she supplies early game and doubles down on damage based control tools with PNZ. That plus a couple minimorph to deal with all-in strats and you've got yourself a pretty solid core of removal.
Another option is Zoe. You can go all-in on protection spells and choose either of them as the target to commit to while getting healing + zoe for early game. Plus, Veigar's kit has a bunch of low-cost units which benefit from piles of keywords after Zoe's level-up.
Is it just me or does viegar remind anyone of the alien from invader zim?
Yeah his personality is based off Zim
3:26 This is pure gold
As Swim said: "Its a better vengeance"
I personally think this is an amazing card against those decks that have certain wincons that are difficult to stop, and plus its only Bandle region so it is very limited for sure.
He looks like the black Mage in final fantasy classic
That's where his concept come from.
My problem with Minimorph isn't so much that it hits Champions (though that is a problem), it's that it pushes a ton of high cost cards even further out of viability. Why would I play Atakhan, Bringer of Ruin when he's immediately going to be turned into a 3/3, when I can just play Cithria, Lady of Clouds and immediately buff my entire board so who cares if she becomes a 3/3.
This card further pushes Atakhan, Leviathan, Brightsteel Formation and Dreadway out of the meta and forces us to evaluate 7+ drops as spells over anything else, so only cards like Riptide Rex, Captain Farron, or Rekindler will have any hope of seeing play.
It's not that the answer exists, it's that I can't do anything to prevent the answer from happening.
I know it gets bigger but if it was fast it would be so good - Grapplr 2021
BRUH
Grapplr out of context
Nice
20:44 Really good point, adds more synergy between cars. I hope they consider this in future card designs.
Oh man Ur the best content on Twitch ! So Friendly and funny but also humble
This is very likely to be like Lurk and Predict where the 2nd champion completes the Darkness synergy package, so it looks odd now, but makes sense when the full picture is known
What you were talking about at 23:31, I think Galio would be a great champion to give that. He's a giant petricide gargoyle from Demacia that nullifies magic around him.
Yo Grap, I think Veigar and his cards make a really great home for Mist call and kindred champ spell to be able to instantly summon new copies of them when in danger!
Idk why, but I'm so hyped to see you play this champion
Veigar needs more cards that create darkness or he will never level up
Well if you think about it SI has so many clone options, for example stalking shadows, rekindler, fading memories. A lot of options to get that 3rd darkness and I think 3 can level him consistently
I'll just wait for comments like these to age poorly.
@@mathunit1 I hope you are right cause I love Veigar
@@mathunit1 I do think he needs one more Darkness creator. Oooor to just create them on round start. Or not limit it to one in hand. Those seem like unnecessary restrictions.
@@Narutimake Hope you also love Senna, because she's a Darkness generator.
I don’t see the point of Veigar being dual region if all his support cards are mono Bandle City.
I assume that there will be other darkness support coming soon
The landmark wincon
SI can resummoning him for extra darkness and even extra veigars for faster darkness ramp. You can technically run Veigar without BCity, but look at how powercreep BCity is I, personally, can't find a reason to refuse running it
There’ll prob be some more SI cards that generate the darkness (as darkness is a SI card) at which point there’ll be a lot of potential variety for veigar decks
Look to the Art of Darkness and say what champ it makes you think... Senna maybe? Why Darkness have a Green color if it's Veigar spell? Why not blue or at least yellow?
One possibility is this card being created by another Shadow Isles champion, and Senna will be launched in this set.
Minimorph is going to hard counter Lee and Zombie anivia, as the Anivia doesn't die so it can't be rekindler'd or Harrowing'd
It was meant to be "Tuna of Terror" and "Bass of Burden" change my mind
Minimorph should either fast or slow.
The permansilence is too much.
That veigar impression sounds like the meatball from Aqua Teen hunger force
P&Z might not be a bad pairing for Veigar, it gives you access to plenty of efficient and flexible removal as well as Time Trick for selection and Iterative Improvement / Practical Perfectionist to increase your copies of key cards. My first thought was Viktor, but he takes up the same spot on the curve and is another slow wincon, so maybe Ezreal instead? With Darkness being a 3 mana card Tribeam isn't off the table either. Just some random thoughts.
I can't wait to see Graplr playing veigar 👀
So Veigar doesn't need to be on board to lvl up?
yes
Ya only need to do 12 dmg with the darkness, no matter where Veigar is
Dont forget his support cards, its not expensive and shadow ilse and pilttover have many copy card
Veigar with Ezreal maybe? Ez is damn OP and Veigar hp its not bad compare to TF or Heimer or Ekko, which make opponent wasted pretty much spell or tricks to kill him
reads veigar twice: why does darkness deal 8 already? are there cards that buff it?
Minimorph Catastrophe.
The fact about minimorph is that there isnt enough stuff to remove big threats for big chonky control decks, so i feel it's a good add to the game
If it would be interactive by beeing a fast speed spell I would agree. Maybe even fast but only 5 mana I would like it better.
@@finn5568 Yes this makes sense, but not removing the card, just making it slower
Did the editor leave in a 4 min rant about fish? Love it.
2021:spellshield
2022:spellabsorb(absorption) XD
I found the "it's a mini minitee in his hand" so funny... Just the idea of trying to save your guy and you save this 3/3 instead
You could try to run Shadow Isles Bilgwater Veigar. Get Darkness through effects like Scribe of Sorrows, Rekindler and Mist's Call used on Veigar and use Kegs from Bilgwater to power level him.
Aditionally Tenor of Terror's Impact triggers Plunder.
I was actually thinking about playing Veigar with Piltover for copies of darkness and funsmith...
And then Riot released Senna
OMG I lost it on the Raul. That was amazing.
Veigar is freaking awesome, he pairs well with quite a few champions and it will be fun to see who's best;
Ezrael, Karma and even Lux should be obvious enough, but we just saw Senna today who also generates Darkness and changes it to Fast speed when she attacks.
It's about time we had a proper Nuke archetype. Oh right, I guess he pairs well with Victor as well holy crap... Possibly Swain and Fiz ?
"I'm gonna enjoy trying to make him work"...so quick to forget the Zilean experience
Mini-Morph also works well with Heimerdinger. It gives you an elusive turret, and you usually already have some throwaway units to deal with the 3/3.
Edit: It would really suck if Veigar doesn’t get any SI support, as that would pretty much nullify his dual-region aspect. He could be run in SI alongside Ionia though with the potential for Recalls and Zephyr Sage for extra Darkness, as meme-y as it would be. Lmao
Veigar and grapplr has the same laugh
Victor + Veigar. You're able to make the darkness cost 1 or less very easily. Also he doesn't need to 'see' you play the darkness. You can use the 2 mana create a darkness 2 turns and that is already 6/12. Can also throw in a funsmith.
1:30 Yo Grapp, be careful what you wish for
Minimorph is literally a burst vengeance that costs 1 less...
more like a better whimsy that can target champion and permanent effect
It isn't "literally" a burst vengeance at all. It leaves a 3/3 behind, which isn't irrelevant
Burst Veng for 6...that gives the opponent a 3/3
Probably better against big threats backed up by protection (say, Karma), probably even-ish against big threats without protection (say, Leviathan), probably worse against small threats in an emergency (say, Miss Fortune)
@@Zach0451 Yeah but getting a 3/3 instead of youre Fiora that you can't protect because its burst is preatty irrelevant. It literally kills all in Fiora.
"It's slow" - that aged poorly :D
The combo of Grapp with Tams and Swagger is superb as usual
That friggien 'Veigar Gillette' sigh I love you grapp xD
Also it's a 3 mana card, so extra value on Nopify
13:07 surprise pikachu face more like planga plongo
God damn Tams you are fast
Veigar with the kill and revive package of shadow isles looks good
chronicler as a example
you can create a Darkness just killing and reviving him with chronicler
the dredge dredgers impression is on point
9:25 yes it does! Resin mining veigar gives you another darkness lol. Picture this: it’s turn 10, you have full spell mana. Stilted robemaker has brought your darkness down to one cost. You spend your round start darkness, then use go get it. Ephemeral summon veigar gives you a darkness. You spend it, THEN summon veigar for another. The enemy next is doomed. All is dark. 🥹
I kinda hoped that Veigar would be Bandle/Noxus because of his lore, idk why they made him a SI champion
Probably cuz sion is a noxus champ too and they don't want 2 of them in the same expansion
@@roxas1394 yeah probably
spooky champion goes in spooky region
Sooo question? These double region cards, are you forced to use only those regions? Like for ex. Veigar can’t be bandle city/ionia or shadow isle/Ionia??
Holy hell, that intro animation is on another level
0:23 wow grappLr I didn't know your the voice actor for the character
Cant unsee now the mini-minitee as surprised pikachu now lul
Veigar is my second Favorite champ in LoL Im actually really excited to play him
You might not be able to play Minimorph on your own units, but you can play Ambush on enemies
3:29 OMFG Veigar saying Gillette xD
Dont know how i didnt see the surprised pikachu face resemblence 😂😂
I love how he tried his best to pronounce the name since he never played league.
Guys I made it in life I got a heart from Grapplr.
New Card grapplr the tiny master of papaya
Riot: Yes, I know it
Veigar is on summon, so you can totaly do chronicler of ruin, and if go get it isnt bugged using it would get you two more darkness if you have mana enough to spend
If veigar is viable I bet nopeify will rise in popularity
Veigar feels so ionia you can play young witch with the one that grants darkness +1 damage when strikes. I think that's decent
Viegar seems fun enough but Caitlyn still has me the most excited. PNZ remains my favourite region
You play Yasuo Veigar with Shadow Isles: Spam the 3/2 spider that lowers attack and if you have Veigar on board you have his spell in SI with Yasuo. Easy 3 regions deck
Minimorph should either be fast or it should only be “this round”.
Veigrapplr/senna/Karma deck sounds like fun, though I have no idea how many of each champion you'd use
The fact that it's a surprise pikachu makes me wanna play it now.
raulllll giletteeeee~~ the best a yordle can get🐥🐥
Minimorph will be a staple in Handle City decks, mark my words brudda
I'm always excited to watch these vids
At burst speed that Mini Minitee card is super OP.
Alan needed Minimorph against our Ledros deck the other day.
Watching this after Senna was revealed made me realize the hoops they had to jump through to make Veigar even function without the other Darkness cards.
It looks like that tiny grapplr has now anew friend.
"If it was fast it would be so good"
Senna laughing backdoors
I lost at "surprise pikachu face" XD
« It would be so nice if it was fast »
Little did he *knew*
When Orko retired from He-man joins in Runeterra...😅😅
Problem with veigar is the same as with zilean. You basically have to build arround the time bombs like you have to build arround darkness. Problem with veigar is that only darkbulb gives darkness, so BC veigar is automarically better than SI.
"BC veigar is automarically better than SI"
Senna: *Hold my DARKNESS gun*
Making grapplr impersonate veigar's voice when he's already the voice actor 😂😂
Have a nice week/day grappy
Thx buddy
The funny thing is that the robot suit of veigar probably does not exceed two meters in height
I think you might not want to put that much effort into protecting veigar since playing him again generates value by giving you another darkness, kinda like with zillean and his timebombs.
2nd Veigar gives you another Darkness but Veigar needs to stay on board to buff Darkness damage on Round Start, so it's like a lose-lose situation. Keep Veigar on board and you get more damage but you don't have a Darkness. Play 2nd Veigar and you get another Darkness, but at bad damage.
@@timothye.2902 but you keep the damage buff from the old veigar and even if you miss one turn of buffing its worth for the faster level up condition
We might get more darkness cards when sennas champion card is revealed!
Minimorph can be use as a buff in some cases
Goes into a giant mech suit to only get +1/1 stat increase, Rip.
just a reminder u can minimorph a decent size champion and then lux lasers it