He thought they trusted and even liked him. To find out they built a kill switch into him must have felt like a betrayal. I feel for him but any objective observer would have been shocked if they hadn't.
@@matthewharris8819 I doubt its a kill switch so much as just knowledge of the design. If you know every single inch of somethings design, it isn't hard to attack and disable it easily. Also it just shut the arm off, it didn't kill him or anything lol
@@Bkapostle If we're being serious, then really only with trade business, and work. For immigration, it's complicated. For governments, no. That's how you screw over an entire people. What the USA did was messed up to say the least. Which is why this line feels so corrupt. Not that the US is evil, but this policy specifically was.
Comic fans can be upset but this actually makes sense. Bucky got his arm from Wakanda so of course they'd know how to disable their own tech. RiRi couldn't even leave Wakanda with her suit in the latest movie. This Captain America also underestimated his opponent. He let his guard down, and with her being an experienced warrior who defended against an alien invasion in Wakanda, and now recently an invasion from a super mutant... she is definitely qualified to woop some ass.
@@TheMrBADGAS is everyone in wakanda a scientist and everyone works in the same projects? Every male hero is made fun of in this scene. Gee Disney, chill out with "the message".
Haha Ayo isn't saying "Bastard, damn you James". She is saying "Bast damn you James". Bast is the Panther Goddess. In other words she is saying "God damn you James".
@@sully47 She legit saved his life. Undid his brainwashing. And after everything Zemo did to him, made him do, she's wondering why he's fighting her and forcing her to break whatever trust they had.
I agree with you. When I watched this, it made no sense to me. And even less sense that other people watching this show blindly hating on John because they've been brainwashed by this bs story framing
@@rattlynanimations7694 That pat on the Dora 's shoulder was condescending as f*** lol. He might have been trying to de-escalate, but not out of respect. You don't walk up to someome and crowd them with a pat on the shoulder unless you're friends and know one another. She was right to check him lol.
@@christiandouyon9739 "check him" is a weird way to say "kill him". It seems you didn't read my latest reply. I will say again that touching somebody's shoulder, disrespectful or not, does NOT warrant a death sentence... When she tries to spear him through the damn chest, if it wasn't for the shield he would have died, all for what can be implied as a disrespectful act. If that logic happened all the time in the MCU it would turn into a free for all
The saddest part about this scene was Bucky realising that he was still like an "object" that can be "turned on and off" with ease... Even by the people that he believed helped him the most.
I think at this point his relationship with the dora was strained because he didn’t bring in Zemo? I’m not sure but yeah they were kinda hating on him for that since he owed them one
@@craigchuraman1340 Maybe you should rewatch Buckys time in Wakanda. Particularly when T’challa asks for the help of the White Wolf and gives him Shuri’s new arm. He had all of the old tech removed and upgraded considerably. Comic history is a bit different though (as with all of the MCU and it’s source material)
you should know that the MSheU plot Amor is in full effect here.... because in the comics not even captain America would survive against buky and Walker....infact Walker is arguably one of the strongest super soldiers ever created...and here you have a woman with no superpowers woman handling them in the name of Dora theexplorer....this is the most stupid scene in the MSheU...I think it's even worse than she hulk twerk scene
Walker didn't have super solider serum in this scene he was just a regular army dude with Captian America's shield. And I don't think bucky was legitimately trying to hurt Ayo. She just disabled his arm and he was like it's not worth it. So its 100% plausible in this case that Ayo would beat both of them.
@@kudzi5 you do realise that Ayo I just a regular woman with a vibranium spare too right? ...going by your logic and accepting the fact that Walker isn't a super soldier yet...it would make sense that with the skills of Ayo she would be able to take down Walker but you forget that Walker is also a trained solder who is also in peak physical condition...and so for Ayo to throw him across the room with just one kick is definitely not plausible...instead he would be the one to ragdoll Ayo while Ayo figures out a way to beat him with skill and swift movements
Ayo isn't a regular women. She is women who is exceptional trained and used to fighting opponents bigger and probably stronger then her. And she pushes him first when isn't protecting him self and then kicks him in chest. He gets sent back because isn't expecting to be kicked in the chest. If she really had this superhuman strength she would sent him through that little barrier.
@@Indhex Naw, I’m not talking about them entering a straight up battle, I’m talking about The diplomacy aspect, I like the way it was done when Challa handled Claw ( at first) in the first movie.
Never forget that King T’Chaka wanted to force the Avengers to submit to UN authority while knowing full well that his people were conducting operations all over the world without repercussions.
Maaaan that whole premise of "If we dont control the heroes, who proved themselves to be the good guys, for some reason the bad guys wont stop destroying the world" when in the quoted examples one was Stark's fault, one was the goverment's incompetence and the rest were bad guys being bad guys
@@Csdabest89They are an elite warrior guard of the king. Trained by the Black Panther. Meaning they spar regularly with a super soldier trained in multiple forms of martial arts. How is the power scaling off again?
@@Csdabest89They also have no reservations about killing when they deem it necessary. They are serving the king's interest. The only person in that room even close to being on their skill level was Bucky and he was holding back for obvious reasons. Being that he owed her a huge debt of gratitude.
The fact that the Wakandans put that safety feature on Bucky's arm shows 2 things: 1. They still didn't trust him, and 2. he's such a brilliant fighter that even they feared his abilities
No. Wrong on both points. TLDR; Fuck Around and Find Out. They helped rehab him but, allowed him to keep the arm they redesigned and molded for him. They are an elite globally adaptable force working on a recovery mission and Bucky was given a time clock which he assumed he could finagle. They wisely have failsafes in place so “IF” things do go bad(again per his History and recent de programming) it can be resolved quickly with minimal casualties. She obviously didn’t want to do it and he forced her hand. Plus, she left his arm to be reattached at his convenience.
The main comment wasn’t completely wrong. They were wrong for the comment that they feared Bucky because of his abilities, but they were right about Bucky realising the Wakandan’s didn’t completely trust him. It was mentioned that the failsafe for the arm to disarm him meant they trusted him but only to a point. So I can see how that would spark more fear in Bucky that Cap was “wrong about him” and he wasn’t worth redeeming. Also to point out that Bucky was only given the arm because of the War with Thanos - this was after him completing two years of rehabilitation in Wakanda with Ayo. So it took plenty of time to trust, especially since he was framed for the Kings death/ murder.
@@kathrynhoward4196 THANK YOU! Tell me, WHY would she remove his arm in the first place if she didn't fear what he was capable of?! If she was such a better fighter who didn't fear him, just let him keep his arm and let her beat him. Fact is, she knew she couldn't beat him if he had his arm.
@@thenightfury8 Well the reason I believe she doesn’t fear him is because during the removal of his arm it was all over Zemo. Zemo was escaping and even though Bucky was a worthy opponent to Ayo, but she didn’t want to waste time fighting Bucky so she disarmed him, it’s quite simple. Nothing was more important than catching the murderer of King T’Chaka. And again, although everything should have a failsafe it showed Bucky that the Wakandans only trusted him to a point with the Vibranium arm.
@@aaron827 Colonizing a place where people live and using brute force to do/make them do horrific things, as well as steal their culture or attempt to remove it entirely and replace it with yours is not anywhere close to the same thing as sending 2-3 elite military units to quickly and quietly deal with a problem concerning your national security/assets and possibly the world's safety. The entire overarching theme of the first Black Panther film was the mistakes the Wakandans had made by closing themselves off to the world and abandoning people they could have used their technology and power to protect. The conflict between the hero and the villain was literally formed from Wakandan hypocrisy, and it still wasn't enough for people apparently bc it still seems to come up any time Wakanda is involved or mentioned. We get it.
T'Challa: "What?!" Country: "Yeah. Your operatives have been apprehended and will likely be tried with espionage. Turns out a precise application of bullets beats vibranium spears and martial arts."
@@silverblade357Wakandans be wilding broski, I understand your point and I know you want America to be on top but it’s just how it is, Wakanda is far too advanced and the new film shows just how advanced they are.
@@A.H.goose1 See? Those kinds of assumptions about random people on the internet hurt any points you might want to make. I never mentioned America or any other specific nation. I'm simply pointing out how sending melee fighters up against operators with guns probably won't end well for them. Hell, Karli was a supersoldier and it wasn't Sam or Bucky that took her out. It was a normal human that scored a killshot.
What pisses me off about that writing is they are well trained in social circumstances. Which is why in the first wakanda movie Okoye was able to blend in just fine without trying to murder everyone who touched her when they were looking for the weapons dealer
@@bixlorious I just don't get why they want us to think Wakandans are always in the right and justified. I think they just suck at writing good tension and thrown in action whenever it gets slow.
@@punkrampant8264 They don't write the wakandans that way tho. In the 1st BP movie it was mentioned several times how wakanda was wrong for letting black people and Africans suffer for centuries.
I don't think Bucky and Sam should have joined in. Fake Cap was a jerk and didn't deserve any help. Also, hard to believe Wakanda made the Cap Falcon suit after they did that.
Aren't we missing him juicing himself and the juice amplifying what was there in the first place in that mindset? Intentions or not he still went over the line
@@SirsasthNigam. i was talking about john. Like yeah, had some mental issues, but dude got the captain moniker fair and square with no super hero serum. The whole scene when they showed a video of him chucking the shield and hitting targets like he was the OG with just a regular human body.
No he was CLEARLY trying to calm down thr situation and not trying to break Jaws. If he was all of them would be in hospital for a while and you know it
@@DARTHNEWSWhat? The Dora Milaje has been a part of the Black Panther and Wakanda for years. They literally serve as T'Challa's Generals and bodyguards and can go head to head with the best of Marvel's fighters. Don't be hating just to hate. Read a comic once in a while and maybe you'll learn something.
@@chrollo5141 lol? I'm not crying, rather I'm laughing that yet another stupid subfranchise will fail. Not after this movie, as people flocked to cinemas hoping for worthy sequel, but when they'll try to create next one with wakanda. This one will flop. And it won't be even saved by "black" population :/
old hydra, soviet union arm can be fixed back again. if he decides. u both dont talk lik that. he aint toy. winter soldier has high probability to get his old arm back, if he decides.
Noo it's ok for wakanda to be a facist country that cares about protecting their culture and have a dictator and operate in forgein soil because they aren't a Western country
@@johnychrist2559 ah I didn't analyze the government enough I was just wondering why is it ok for wakanda to do things that would be seen as evil if a western country did it. Also opening up their country did kinda lead to so many complications
Man this is the only show where i genuinely was rooting for the main antagonist the entire time. They treat the dude like shit for no real reason, kill his best friend then act like he's the asshole...
Because he’s a cocky asshole. Even in this scene, Steve would have known to use diplomacy even after the spear. John starts off belittling them and acting like the big swinging d in the room. He was calling down what he got.
He’s not even the antagonist he’s a side character I believe there is a word for a middle of the road character who isn’t a villain but isn’t quite a “hero” although walker is the only person who makes any logical decisions in this show
@@bagelmaster2498From memory he’s the protagonist, turned antagonist mid story in the torch passing to Sam. What grates me is Sam gave up the shield then had the audacity to Maline the poor shmuck thrust into the mantle. The writing of this show really didn’t hide the authorial intent and it ruined a lot of otherwise ok plot points
The Dora milaje would create a national crisis if they technically invaded and operated within a country without jurisdiction how ironic considering they wouldn’t like any foreign nation operating inside theirs
And that is how another ww starts that will have about every nation against wakanda. Wakanda might be strong and have good technology, but they have not the experience the rest of the world had with wars, have no means to defend against every single nation that goes against them, and have not the numbers. Also I doubt that that shield of theirs can take on a couple of nukes. For a nation that prides itself on its superiority and intelligence that was an extremely stupid thing to that could create diplomatic episode.
They really nerfed Bucky since Civil War. Dude was an absolute unit who could go toe to toe with T'Challa and fight off Iron Man, and now he doesn't even try to fight.
He never fights a single Dora in this clip. All his moves are defensive. The whole vibe is like when you are trying to get your girlfriend to stop throwing things at you. He is not going to harm a Dora for fake cap. Why are you all making such a big deal outta this?
Remember, (1.) Bucky spent years in Wakanda…mentally rehabilating with Wakandans! He may not be quick to trivially fight them. (2.) That arm came from the Wakandans. It’s only smart strategy that they’ve built-in their own ‘off-switch.’
Didn't Nerf him he just became somebody who wasn't driven by being brainwashed anymore which is why he fought like Panther and Iron Man in the first place. I swear you man babies need to grow a pair.
@@paulgribble3832 it isn't. Hence the reason they were quick to fight, they knew diplomacy wasn't on the table here since they dont have a foot, legally, to stand on. All they want is to take their kinds assassin back to wakanda by all means and have him tried.
This was a sensitive issue though, Baron Zero had killed heir previous king Tchaka and led to the Black Panther being revealed to the public. They were getting revenge.
well, we still don't trust commies, even though the Soviet Union no longer exists(?). takes a while for a thousand-year-old cultural rule to break down.
@@shadezero8661 By going on foreign ground for a Prisoner that wasn't even held in their own country, chucking a spear at the head of a soldier who was turned around and only dodged by luck, and then going on the attack after he tries to defuse the situation with several lethal stabs only blocked by the man's allies. Imagine America did something like this, it would be a political nightmare.
@@shadezero8661 I meant in a meta sense, the show showing America doing this and presenting them in a positive light. Obviously America has done its fair share of war crimes irl.
@@theoutlawking9123 1. The only thing being commented on was what happened in this particular clip. Not whatever you're referring to. 2. I forgot nothing. You assumed I did. I haven’t even seen this movie...episode?... yet. 3. Whatever happened between them before this scene does not change the observation that for THIS moment he did not "lightly" touch her shoulder and she clearly took that personally. Or as a sign of hostility when she was already on guard. 4. Please keep whatever prejudices or issues you're indicating towards having at women to yourself. I won't be entertaining such talks or playing therapist in the youtube comments. Welp, that's all I feel like replying to you with. Should be enough to clear up your random assumptions about the nature of my comment regarding a short clip. I won't be responding to you after this. Bye~
@@AyosDesignz Bullshit excuses, whether it's in this scene or not it happened, it lead to this, so fuck off with that "we're talking about this, not that" courtroom shit.
Wakanda got pissed about Avengers being able to operate on foreign soil whenever they needed to fix a problem, but clearly Wakanda forces can do anything they want
Yeah makes me wanna think which one is worse, colonizers or puppeteers? Though they didn't really colonize anything, the fact that they have "war dogs" all over the world says a lot about their influence potential.
When john realized even a female guard from wakanda can beat him, he completely broke down, realizing how weak he is against these superheroes, hence why he took the serum later
Lol it’s the fighting technique that he is losing to, using his strength against him Even then he’s not fighting to hurt her, just trying to prevent her to hurting anyone else, and she disarmed him because the arm was made by shuri and had a safety measure directly put there by shuri which would be known by anyone in wakanda who knows bucky as a security measure lmao
That is how all nations with the ability to projects power globally behave. The ability to do it, gives the authority to do it. Exactly what more than a harshly worded letter of protest to the Wakandian embassy is whatever postcard European nation going to do about it. When has a lack of jurisdiction stopped the U.S. from sending operatives? Do you think we had Jurisdiction in Pakistan when we landed a team of seals in their nation locked down a neighborhood and killed Osama bin laden? No one in that room has jurisdiction, none of them should actually be there.
@@Lorgar64 yes, this is the normative behavior of all governments. When exactly have they portrayed Wakanda as better? It's not, it's just stronger. All governments spy on each other, spying protects the peace. All governments who can projects power globally do. Wakanda just hasn't up to this point. But Rahmunda obviously is willing to. Invasion is not the Wakandian way. But clandestine operations obviously is, just like every other nation on earth with the budget to do so. Not protecting your national interest is poor governance
@@clementmckenzie7041 Congratulations. In defending a fictional country you've also provided an argument for defending real life states, on the grounds it's just good governance.
@@Lorgar64 I mean it as a defense of real life government. Violating Pakistani sovereignty and killing Bin Laden, has no doubt saved hundreds of American lives. Spying on our allies keeps them our allies and prevents wars. These actions are the legitimate function of government and any government not involved in them is doing their citizens a disservice.
dude they transfer leadership by challenging the current leader to combat, ie, might gives their leadership the right to rule. anybody whose rationalized that system to be moral wouldn't surprise me by also thinking their jurisdiction just follows then into other nations borders and might even supercede their internal authority to handle their own affairs.
@@Based_4_Life Given the circumstances of the very real fascist creep in America & the right wing movement around the globe, Ive reconsidered... I am much more relieved to have younger folks hyper sensitive towards anything & everything that could promote/help their most existential threat to liberal western ideology & democracy. Everything is relative, as critical thinking, socially conscious humans know & practice.
@@nathanieljones1945 If the Accords the Wakandan king supported had been in effect when the bombing happened, the Avengers wouldn't have had jurisdiction there anyway. Your argument is nonsensical.
Nah, Bucky has no interest in fighting the Dora or defending fake cap. All his moves are defensive. He never even tries to hit one, just distract the one he knows best. The others never had a chance of defeating a Dora.
@@mbblash6314 best at standing still while their continent ravaged and enslaved themselves because they didnt want to share vibrainium . Ya got some proud warriors there😂😂 That was literally the plot of the first black panther 😂
@@ElderKaius yes I know that was part of the plot of BP1..but that was the choice of King T'chaka and Kings before him..when T'challa became king he shared their technology with the world..before him they only used vibranium technology to protect Wakanda..they didn't want it falling into the wrong hands..
@@meurumtrain4747 i mean nobody but Bucky is a super human in this scene and he is actively not trying to hurt them. Falcon isnt wearing armor and doesnt have a weapon so hes at a disadvantage and the other two didnt get hits in because of the surprise strike with vibranium spears. the result was hardly a surprise
@@meurumtrain4747 true but the comics are a whole different beast, constant retcons, almost all the character are like 50 times stronger than they are in the films
They literally escalated a situation by attempting to murder a man trying to de escalate the situation. This scene was badly written and made the dora milaje's reputation as out of control entitled monsters
Dora Milaje literally commited and international crime and attempted to murder these dudes over a minor disagreement. but the new captain america kills a dude in the heat of combat for murdering his best freind and is somehow the bad guy.
Yup. The Dora Milaje should be allowed to enforce their will on the rest ofvthe world. You should sympathize with Karli even while she's blowing people up. Oh, but fuck the traumatized combat veteran for killing a poor innocent terrorist. Endgame was the end of the MCU.
1 Dora milaje did it without cameras watching it wasn’t attempted murder more like assault plus that cap bashed a man’s skull in front of a lot cameras now he might of had a good reason too but 🤦♂️ he was the face of the nation bro can’t just be doing that
It was not in the heat of combat. That man was fleeing, the rest of the battle had ended already. He was in a very public area, as a very public figure of a different country, repeated striking a man who was already down. I understand having an emotional reaction, but as Captain America operating in a European nation, he has to conduct himself as a figurehead of American values.
@@atlas5007 to people from the only African nation that never was colonized. So they was just keeping they're strict hands off policy. It makes sense they had that mentality all the way down to the individuals of the Nation. And even more so of the elite guards of that Nation
They where trained to fight any black panther if he ever went rogue, they can’t beat him but trained to contain him, the real cap had knowledge of them, but this was good writing, pays homage to them in the comics as being no joke
@@joselu_0336nah I Bucky strong ye lwk the only one there who could fight them but I’m pretty sure he wasn’t trny get active in here that’s why he ain’t do anything
THIS.. theyre literally trained from early childhood to contend with a rogue panther aswell as be his potential wife/consort, for all we know they been xhewing on heartshape herb leaf since they was chillins too 😂
They aren't Americans. Wakandans don't like outsiders. Being touched by strangers isn't their way. This is a real thing in some African, Arab and Asian cultures.
Eh, these superhero movies are not consistent with reality. In the MCU, if iron man gets shot in the armor, he's fine. If he goes hand-to-hand with an opponent (Steve Rogers) he gets bruised and bloody. Also in many movies, overpenetration really on exists with large, high velocity calibers, but never handgun calibers. A handgun in the movies wouldn't be able to do much or any damage if it hits a wall or a single person. In reality, a standard 9mm will likely go through a few walls (assuming dry wall) and will probably go through a person, depending on shot placement and distance.
So why do the Dora Milaje have jurisdiction "wherever they happen to be" but The Avengers have to sign the Sokovia Accords? That's Marvel, aways soft on the continuity...
@@Jedimindkillerjr which would be after this story in she hulk. A better question is who gave them this mission. Was it t'challa or Ramonda? Also, why didnt John Walker report that wakandans interrupted an American operation to his CO?
Considering that zemo is a terrorist responsible for killing their sovereign ruler who was recognized internationally as such they were acting well within their jurisdiction.
@@arikemeiziii5549 I’m not entirely sure but I’m pretty sure the Dora Milaje are separate from the kingdom of Wakanda. They serve the kingdom, but aren’t led by the king or queen
Ayo knew the code to unlock his arm. He wasn’t even trying to fight her. It was like if your little sister tried to “girl fight” you but, as you tried to get her to quit, she got off one solid punch that actually hurt.
@@MatthewMurraycogswoth breaking and entering, assault and battery, attempted murder and ignoring sovereignty of another nation and most importantly just being a dick to someome trying to work out the tension verbally. Funny enough this very same thing happened in Black panther 2 and it was the attackers who were in the wrong then 🤔 😑
They came to get Zemo. His explosion killed T'Challa's father. It was poor writing in Captain America:Civil War when T'Challa let Zemo live. He should have been killed swiftly.
@@Betroid isn't it a point in the black panther movies that everyone America for performing black operations on foreign lands bc they wanted justice or something but somehow the Dora are in the right for illegally chasing a fugitive they have no jurisdiction to claim?
He's not. Everyone else is just being an asshole to him because he's not Steve Rodgers. It's like seeing your mom marry a man that is not your father. But the thing is that man your mom married is actually making an effort to be the father that walked out on you.
@mcponmilkman4398 horrible comparison. It's more like he's trying to be like the ex husband and the kids see through his bullshit. He's not in it for the right reasons. He was chosen because he's a great soldier not a great person/leader
Walker is the good guy in this scene, he's the only one trying to do right and not acting with open hostility lol.... also miss Dora Milajae, that's not how jurisdiction works
@@benledet-reeves454 i dont believe special forces have any jurisdiction outside of their country, sure they can be sent on missions and have jurisdiction as so far as caretaking their country's interests.. but they have no jurisdiction in the country of operation as being found out can get you imprisoned, jailed or even start a war if found out.
essentially the equivalent of finding out the charity who provided you with a wheelchair installed an ejector seat
Not really but this is funny so I'll like it anyway.
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I will never get over how shocked, appalled, confused and offended Buckey looked when his arm just fell off
He thought they trusted and even liked him. To find out they built a kill switch into him must have felt like a betrayal.
I feel for him but any objective observer would have been shocked if they hadn't.
@@matthewharris8819 I doubt its a kill switch so much as just knowledge of the design. If you know every single inch of somethings design, it isn't hard to attack and disable it easily.
Also it just shut the arm off, it didn't kill him or anything lol
vibranium kill switch damnnnnnnnnnn👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀
wakanda giveth the dora milaje taketh away
You forgot one; embarrassed
The look on Bucky’s face when he realizes that they added that safety precaution because they didn’t trust him:
It’s because he went behind their trust in her eyes
It could have been so that they could replace it if it were damaged
nah it was a safe guard...in the comics Wakandans trust only Wakandans.
I would have put my old arm back on😅
That’s the one he had a “thing” with. So, he has the WTF face cuz that’s supposed to be his cutty buddy
Ayo and Bucky were looking like a couple that just broke up. 😂
Bucky trying to de-escalate the situation while Ayo wasn’t having none of it. 😂
You can't tell me they didn't feel someone for one another. That was betrayal felt on both sides.
He was the white wolf. Lived there in wakanda. Definitely had a relation or two
@@professoreinstein6pretty sure Ayo is married
@theirishviking9278 I thought the Dora milaje couldn't have relationship. I might be wrong.
@@jboogi90 do you not remember the main woman from the dora milaje fighting her husband in black panthers with the 2nd king ?
Bucky got dis-armed real quick there.
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It’s their armorer they made so I’m pretty sure they can disarm it as they choose.
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Dude Bucky looked so devastated knowing his arm could just come off like that
Wokeness at its finest
"The Dora Malije has jurisdiction where ever the Dora Malije find themselves to be."
America: Maybe you and I aren't so different after all.
So you support open borders good lol
@@Bkapostle If we're being serious, then really only with trade business, and work.
For immigration, it's complicated.
For governments, no. That's how you screw over an entire people. What the USA did was messed up to say the least. Which is why this line feels so corrupt. Not that the US is evil, but this policy specifically was.
Except the Dora Malije don't go around lying, killing and taking other people's shyt.
@@TheYodaOne actually now that I think about it. They probably did. Maybe even onscreen. Of course not to the extent of the US.
@@lightningpenguin8937 not on screen or any iteration of the comics. Try again.
They beat that mans ass so bad, he questioned his own reality.
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Physical gaslighting 🤣👍🏼
Hey Sam warned walker .
He is having a premature midlife crisis
It was painful watching 😢
The way bucky just came and said "Ayo..." Trying to calm her down but getting his arm detatched in return is just heart breaking
Literally just before this
John Walker: Let's put down the "pointy sticks"
The power of a writer is scary, they can make almost untouchable characters become jokes whenever they feel like it
Who is the untouchable character?
@@pyroblast3000 captain America and the buckey.
Comic fans can be upset but this actually makes sense.
Bucky got his arm from Wakanda so of course they'd know how to disable their own tech. RiRi couldn't even leave Wakanda with her suit in the latest movie.
This Captain America also underestimated his opponent. He let his guard down, and with her being an experienced warrior who defended against an alien invasion in Wakanda, and now recently an invasion from a super mutant... she is definitely qualified to woop some ass.
literally what r u talking ab
@@TheMrBADGAS is everyone in wakanda a scientist and everyone works in the same projects?
Every male hero is made fun of in this scene. Gee Disney, chill out with "the message".
Haha Ayo isn't saying "Bastard, damn you James". She is saying "Bast damn you James". Bast is the Panther Goddess. In other words she is saying "God damn you James".
A fan here. It's the little details.
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But why she damning him
@@sully47 she didn't want to fight him. They're friends.
@@sully47 She legit saved his life. Undid his brainwashing. And after everything Zemo did to him, made him do, she's wondering why he's fighting her and forcing her to break whatever trust they had.
Bro literal tried to deescalate the situation despite everyone hating on him and they attacked him for no reason
I agree with you. When I watched this, it made no sense to me. And even less sense that other people watching this show blindly hating on John because they've been brainwashed by this bs story framing
You don’t put your hands on ppl period.
@@adey126 and you don't try to spear people through the bloody chest or head... ESPECIALLY when he wasn't trying to hurt them..
@@rattlynanimations7694 That pat on the Dora 's shoulder was condescending as f*** lol. He might have been trying to de-escalate, but not out of respect. You don't walk up to someome and crowd them with a pat on the shoulder unless you're friends and know one another.
She was right to check him lol.
@@christiandouyon9739 "check him" is a weird way to say "kill him". It seems you didn't read my latest reply. I will say again that touching somebody's shoulder, disrespectful or not, does NOT warrant a death sentence... When she tries to spear him through the damn chest, if it wasn't for the shield he would have died, all for what can be implied as a disrespectful act. If that logic happened all the time in the MCU it would turn into a free for all
"They wernt even super soldiers"
He's gonna freak when he finds out there was one purple alien who took out half the universe
that was not the point of that line 😂😂
Lol! He took it so personally man
@@IFEGRIZZLY literally 😂😂😭 he got beat by non-juiced up women and started rethinking his whole life
Hes not stupid. Hes mad he lost to a tiny framed woman
Pretty sure everyone in that universe knows about Thanos
The saddest part about this scene was Bucky realising that he was still like an "object" that can be "turned on and off" with ease... Even by the people that he believed helped him the most.
Fulfillment of the realization that he is the " White Wolf " must have yet to be. ..
In reference to the OG ie orig. storyline, regarding the ..savior.. of Wakanda. [ Poss. none of these other versions and tales.].
His arm can’t be that easily removed, it’s surgically attached. It’s not taped on.
I think at this point his relationship with the dora was strained because he didn’t bring in Zemo? I’m not sure but yeah they were kinda hating on him for that since he owed them one
@@craigchuraman1340 Maybe you should rewatch Buckys time in Wakanda. Particularly when T’challa asks for the help of the White Wolf and gives him Shuri’s new arm. He had all of the old tech removed and upgraded considerably.
Comic history is a bit different though (as with all of the MCU and it’s source material)
Bucky is the definition of when you unlock a super villain in game and it became weak AF.
It's cuz he's not bloodlusted like before he's turned good
you should know that the MSheU plot Amor is in full effect here.... because in the comics not even captain America would survive against buky and Walker....infact Walker is arguably one of the strongest super soldiers ever created...and here you have a woman with no superpowers woman handling them in the name of Dora theexplorer....this is the most stupid scene in the MSheU...I think it's even worse than she hulk twerk scene
Walker didn't have super solider serum in this scene he was just a regular army dude with Captian America's shield. And I don't think bucky was legitimately trying to hurt Ayo. She just disabled his arm and he was like it's not worth it. So its 100% plausible in this case that Ayo would beat both of them.
@@kudzi5 you do realise that Ayo I just a regular woman with a vibranium spare too right? ...going by your logic and accepting the fact that Walker isn't a super soldier yet...it would make sense that with the skills of Ayo she would be able to take down Walker but you forget that Walker is also a trained solder who is also in peak physical condition...and so for Ayo to throw him across the room with just one kick is definitely not plausible...instead he would be the one to ragdoll Ayo while Ayo figures out a way to beat him with skill and swift movements
Ayo isn't a regular women. She is women who is exceptional trained and used to fighting opponents bigger and probably stronger then her. And she pushes him first when isn't protecting him self and then kicks him in chest. He gets sent back because isn't expecting to be kicked in the chest. If she really had this superhuman strength she would sent him through that little barrier.
Honestly the sentence "The Dora Milaje have jurisdiction wherever they find themselves to be" is something that sounds like it came from a tyrant.
Or the CIA. Lighten up.
@@thespeedracer5772 I mean, the point still stands XD
Yeah, I hated them for that. It literally violates the Sokovia accords, which their king signed.
Honestly, I feel like they taking a bit too far with them, I mean they’re bad asses, but they shouldn’t try to make them unbeatable in all scenarios.
@@Indhex
Naw, I’m not talking about them entering a straight up battle, I’m talking about The diplomacy aspect, I like the way it was done when Challa handled Claw ( at first) in the first movie.
I like how Bucky could go to toe with T'Challa but not with a single Dora milaje 🤣🤣🤣
He was holding back
He didn’t want to fight them.
@@SPACEKNOCKERZ76 flash Thompson: I wouldn't wanna fight me neither🤣
@@mauriciodiaz8315 I can see that at the beginning but once they took his arm off he was still holding back? That's plot armor
I GENUINELY think the Dora are better fighters than the Panthers. (I said better fighters)
Never forget that King T’Chaka wanted to force the Avengers to submit to UN authority while knowing full well that his people were conducting operations all over the world without repercussions.
Just like every other nation on the UN really
Rules for me and not for thee
You people love making things up to furnish your nonsensical agendas
Sounds like the U.S. 😂
Maaaan that whole premise of "If we dont control the heroes, who proved themselves to be the good guys, for some reason the bad guys wont stop destroying the world" when in the quoted examples one was Stark's fault, one was the goverment's incompetence and the rest were bad guys being bad guys
"They weren't even super soldiers."
The f**k they weren't!
And that my issue with the power scaling lol
@@Csdabest89Right!
@@Csdabest89They are an elite warrior guard of the king. Trained by the Black Panther. Meaning they spar regularly with a super soldier trained in multiple forms of martial arts. How is the power scaling off again?
@@Csdabest89They also have no reservations about killing when they deem it necessary. They are serving the king's interest. The only person in that room even close to being on their skill level was Bucky and he was holding back for obvious reasons. Being that he owed her a huge debt of gratitude.
They definitely aren’t super soldiers, just super skilled.
The fact that the Wakandans put that safety feature on Bucky's arm shows 2 things: 1. They still didn't trust him, and 2. he's such a brilliant fighter that even they feared his abilities
No. Wrong on both points.
TLDR; Fuck Around and Find Out.
They helped rehab him but, allowed him to keep the arm they redesigned and molded for him.
They are an elite globally adaptable force working on a recovery mission and Bucky was given a time clock which he assumed he could finagle.
They wisely have failsafes in place so “IF” things do go bad(again per his History and recent de programming) it can be resolved quickly with minimal casualties.
She obviously didn’t want to do it and he forced her hand. Plus, she left his arm to be reattached at his convenience.
The main comment wasn’t completely wrong. They were wrong for the comment that they feared Bucky because of his abilities, but they were right about Bucky realising the Wakandan’s didn’t completely trust him.
It was mentioned that the failsafe for the arm to disarm him meant they trusted him but only to a point. So I can see how that would spark more fear in Bucky that Cap was “wrong about him” and he wasn’t worth redeeming.
Also to point out that Bucky was only given the arm because of the War with Thanos - this was after him completing two years of rehabilitation in Wakanda with Ayo. So it took plenty of time to trust, especially since he was framed for the Kings death/ murder.
Why are people acting like she didn't remove his arm because she knew she couldn't beat him while he had it?
@@kathrynhoward4196 THANK YOU! Tell me, WHY would she remove his arm in the first place if she didn't fear what he was capable of?! If she was such a better fighter who didn't fear him, just let him keep his arm and let her beat him. Fact is, she knew she couldn't beat him if he had his arm.
@@thenightfury8 Well the reason I believe she doesn’t fear him is because during the removal of his arm it was all over Zemo. Zemo was escaping and even though Bucky was a worthy opponent to Ayo, but she didn’t want to waste time fighting Bucky so she disarmed him, it’s quite simple. Nothing was more important than catching the murderer of King T’Chaka. And again, although everything should have a failsafe it showed Bucky that the Wakandans only trusted him to a point with the Vibranium arm.
Wakanda: "no we won't open our borders
Also wakanda: " fuck you we do what we want in your country"
Technically they do whatever they want in our country AFTER opening they're borders to the whole world
@@OmarPerez-cq7zfFunny you say that after the queen again was hestitant on trading and opening the borders after Endgame
@@OmarPerez-cq7zfAlso crazy how Wakanda disses white people because they colonized and then they say shit like this
@@aaron827 Colonizing a place where people live and using brute force to do/make them do horrific things, as well as steal their culture or attempt to remove it entirely and replace it with yours is not anywhere close to the same thing as sending 2-3 elite military units to quickly and quietly deal with a problem concerning your national security/assets and possibly the world's safety.
The entire overarching theme of the first Black Panther film was the mistakes the Wakandans had made by closing themselves off to the world and abandoning people they could have used their technology and power to protect. The conflict between the hero and the villain was literally formed from Wakandan hypocrisy, and it still wasn't enough for people apparently bc it still seems to come up any time Wakanda is involved or mentioned. We get it.
@@OmarPerez-cq7zfThey were doing this crap before the borders were opened.
Last time on when Falcon tried to warn em 😂😂😂
Lol yep
Lol
Fake cap was warned.😂😂😂
So class, what did we learn?
XD
🤷🏾♂️🤣🤣
Bucky in winter soldier: 🦍
Bucky here : 🐒
More like
Bucky when he wants to fight somebody: 🦍
Bucky when he does not want to fight somebody: 🐒
More like Bucky without morals and Bucky with morals.
Bucky obviously has no interest or intentions on harming any Dora. Least of all in defense of fake cap. All his moves are defensive.
Bucky would lose to a lot of hand to hand combat fighters in marvel. Shang chi, iron fist,
Bucky got nerfed so fucking hard after winter solider. In the comics he was practically a demon but in the movies? Nah not rlly
Took that mans soul and pride and just stepped on it 😂😂😂
Why do modern writers write villains like reasonable people and the "good guys" like villains?
To f*ck up people's mind i believe.
Not to mess with people minds it is something probably to do with people being able to change
because they can't write stories very well
I believe this reflects both a maturing of societal taste and a loss of faith in rationality. However, I might be projecting
To show that life isn’t so black and white which gives the story a more realistic feel.
them saying they have jurisdiction anywhere is far more messed up than the writers realised
T'Challa: "What?!"
Country: "Yeah. Your operatives have been apprehended and will likely be tried with espionage. Turns out a precise application of bullets beats vibranium spears and martial arts."
@@silverblade357 that's where the fact they're covered in vibranium comes in
@@libertyosara254 Unfortunately for them, sharpshooters go for headshots and tactical teams deploy gas.
@@silverblade357Wakandans be wilding broski, I understand your point and I know you want America to be on top but it’s just how it is, Wakanda is far too advanced and the new film shows just how advanced they are.
@@A.H.goose1 See? Those kinds of assumptions about random people on the internet hurt any points you might want to make. I never mentioned America or any other specific nation. I'm simply pointing out how sending melee fighters up against operators with guns probably won't end well for them. Hell, Karli was a supersoldier and it wasn't Sam or Bucky that took her out. It was a normal human that scored a killshot.
*touches shoulder and tries de-escalation*
immediately tries to murder him
What pisses me off about that writing is they are well trained in social circumstances. Which is why in the first wakanda movie Okoye was able to blend in just fine without trying to murder everyone who touched her when they were looking for the weapons dealer
@@bixlorious I just don't get why they want us to think Wakandans are always in the right and justified. I think they just suck at writing good tension and thrown in action whenever it gets slow.
@@punkrampant8264 They don't write the wakandans that way tho. In the 1st BP movie it was mentioned several times how wakanda was wrong for letting black people and Africans suffer for centuries.
And that is why we constantly have to explain the concept of consent to American men. Don't touch anyone without their permission.
Welcome to wakanda, the most racist depiction of "African culture" on television.
"Looking strong John!" is still the best line in the whole MCU!
"the Dora Milaje have jurisdiction wherever the Dora Milaje find themselves to be"
Shuri: "Colonizer!"
That's typical "might makes right" mentality, yeah.
How else you expect a super power to act?
That's not colonization.
@@Chiefs816no no no let dumb be dumb 😂
@@Chiefs816what is it then? Besides ridiculous feminist nonsense.
in Buck's eyes you can see "But why?! 🥺"
I don't think Bucky and Sam should have joined in. Fake Cap was a jerk and didn't deserve any help. Also, hard to believe Wakanda made the Cap Falcon suit after they did that.
@@HariSeldon913hell no, the Wakanda tricks started the fighting when fake Cap was backing down. They're too arrogant for their own good.
Dora Milaje: We have jurisdiction where ever we are
*Days later get fired for starting World War 3*
"Whoops"
Lmao
You do know that's not okoya
Days?
@@purplebanana6420 who cares
Exactly
John Walker was done so dirty. The dude literally was not bad for the entire show, everyone treated him like garbage when he did not deserve it.
A fellow freethinker on god my brother spit your shit indeed
I think the authors intent was bleeding through the entire script to the point the “villain” was the plucky relatable underdog
Exactly! It’s like the show tried so hard to paint him as a bad guy, but his actions only show that he’s a hero at heart
Aren't we missing him juicing himself and the juice amplifying what was there in the first place in that mindset? Intentions or not he still went over the line
@@MrOctavian2012 when? Specifically when did he cross the line?
They weren't even super soldiers had me rolling 😅
I've never had so much likes🤩
@@DarleneMensah and no comment
lets change that
TBH I always re-watch this scene specifically to witness his personal devastation with that line.
They all are super soldiers though
They where powered by Woke feminist activist infecting Disney..
The Mary Sue serum..
Bro, they did homie so dirty.
Dude was chucking caps shield like HE WAS CAP without a super serum.
They nerfed cap bad.
Are you talking of Sam or Bucky or John?
@@SirsasthNigam.All of them. But mostly Bucky.
@@SirsasthNigam. i was talking about john.
Like yeah, had some mental issues, but dude got the captain moniker fair and square with no super hero serum.
The whole scene when they showed a video of him chucking the shield and hitting targets like he was the OG with just a regular human body.
Let’s be real if John wanted to put them down he would have.
Bucky went from Winter soldier to arm fall off man real quick
That makes him look weak even tho he's still strong as cap with everything else but the metal arm
Marvel has become a sespool of girl power cringe
No he was CLEARLY trying to calm down thr situation and not trying to break Jaws. If he was all of them would be in hospital for a while and you know it
Makes abadon not feeling shameful for always having bo arms
@@DARTHNEWSWhat? The Dora Milaje has been a part of the Black Panther and Wakanda for years. They literally serve as T'Challa's Generals and bodyguards and can go head to head with the best of Marvel's fighters. Don't be hating just to hate. Read a comic once in a while and maybe you'll learn something.
Cut out one of the best lines. “Looking strong John!”.
Now that shuri is giving them iron man armor I wonder what they'd be capable of
The Midnight Angels are no joke.
@@Tetsujinhanmaa they sure look like one. And behave like one in the movie also
Whatever the wirter and director can imagine.
@@ukasztokarski3715 cry
@@chrollo5141 lol? I'm not crying, rather I'm laughing that yet another stupid subfranchise will fail. Not after this movie, as people flocked to cinemas hoping for worthy sequel, but when they'll try to create next one with wakanda. This one will flop. And it won't be even saved by "black" population :/
Bucky look like when buzz’s arm came off and he realized he was a toy
Years of academy training wasted
old hydra, soviet union arm can be fixed back again. if he decides. u both dont talk lik that. he aint toy. winter soldier has high probability to get his old arm back, if he decides.
"the dora-milaje have jurisdiction wherever they feel the need to commit warcrimes"
Do you even know what a war crime is? This is fuckin fisticuffs
Yes, very American of them...
Noo it's ok for wakanda to be a facist country that cares about protecting their culture and have a dictator and operate in forgein soil because they aren't a Western country
@@breadm8101 they aren't "fascist", you clearly don't know what the word means, but wakanda was an xenophobic ethno-state before T'Challah
@@johnychrist2559 ah I didn't analyze the government enough I was just wondering why is it ok for wakanda to do things that would be seen as evil if a western country did it. Also opening up their country did kinda lead to so many complications
Man this is the only show where i genuinely was rooting for the main antagonist the entire time. They treat the dude like shit for no real reason, kill his best friend then act like he's the asshole...
Because he’s a cocky asshole. Even in this scene, Steve would have known to use diplomacy even after the spear.
John starts off belittling them and acting like the big swinging d in the room. He was calling down what he got.
He’s not even the antagonist he’s a side character I believe there is a word for a middle of the road character who isn’t a villain but isn’t quite a “hero” although walker is the only person who makes any logical decisions in this show
@@bagelmaster2498From memory he’s the protagonist, turned antagonist mid story in the torch passing to Sam. What grates me is Sam gave up the shield then had the audacity to Maline the poor shmuck thrust into the mantle.
The writing of this show really didn’t hide the authorial intent and it ruined a lot of otherwise ok plot points
@@breyor1 yea pretty much all it boils down to is they had a message to push and they didn’t care how they were gonna do it they were gonna.
Exactly!! He was more of a hero than Bucky and sam
"They weren't even super soldiars"
And you're not captain america.
🤣🤣🤣
Well he is captain America he's not Steve Rogers
@@afroshinobimikeemikee2208except he's not
@@TimaeusEXE did he or not not have the shield and title of captain America? Yes or no
@@afroshinobimikeemikee2208 it's literally Sam's shield and title but go off.
Bucky looks so personally offended that she turned off his arm lmao
The Dora milaje would create a national crisis if they technically invaded and operated within a country without jurisdiction how ironic considering they wouldn’t like any foreign nation operating inside theirs
And that is how another ww starts that will have about every nation against wakanda.
Wakanda might be strong and have good technology, but they have not the experience the rest of the world had with wars, have no means to defend against every single nation that goes against them, and have not the numbers.
Also I doubt that that shield of theirs can take on a couple of nukes.
For a nation that prides itself on its superiority and intelligence that was an extremely stupid thing to that could create diplomatic episode.
@@PrimordialNyx not really a WW just a Russia situation isolated and with sanctions hell they could be forced back into being an isolationist country
@@NikephorosCaesar I mean, not sure if you've watched the second movie, but they aren't really hard to get to at all once you know where they're at.
It's not that they wouldn't allow it, it's that they wouldn't let it stand.
Not ironic, hypocrit.
Rocket Raccoon: “I NEED TO GET TO EARTH!! I NEED TO GET TO EARTH!”
They really nerfed Bucky since Civil War. Dude was an absolute unit who could go toe to toe with T'Challa and fight off Iron Man, and now he doesn't even try to fight.
Part of that is that here he literally doesn't want to fight, but yes, I agree.
He never fights a single Dora in this clip. All his moves are defensive. The whole vibe is like when you are trying to get your girlfriend to stop throwing things at you. He is not going to harm a Dora for fake cap. Why are you all making such a big deal outta this?
Remember, (1.) Bucky spent years in Wakanda…mentally rehabilating with Wakandans! He may not be quick to trivially fight them. (2.) That arm came from the Wakandans. It’s only smart strategy that they’ve built-in their own ‘off-switch.’
Neutered is a better word to use
Didn't Nerf him he just became somebody who wasn't driven by being brainwashed anymore which is why he fought like Panther and Iron Man in the first place. I swear you man babies need to grow a pair.
"The Dora milaje can do whatever they want" that's a war crime, bucko
Bucky is literall harboring a war criminal he broke out of prison.
@@krimsonk-9478 not saying they're in the right, either... But "our jurisdiction is wherever we happen to be" isn't a thing.
@@paulgribble3832 it isn't. Hence the reason they were quick to fight, they knew diplomacy wasn't on the table here since they dont have a foot, legally, to stand on.
All they want is to take their kinds assassin back to wakanda by all means and have him tried.
No it isn't.
And still they say in Wakanda Forever that they don't mess with the rest of the world lol
This was a sensitive issue though, Baron Zero had killed heir previous king Tchaka and led to the Black Panther being revealed to the public. They were getting revenge.
well, we still don't trust commies, even though the Soviet Union no longer exists(?). takes a while for a thousand-year-old cultural rule to break down.
@@shadezero8661 By going on foreign ground for a Prisoner that wasn't even held in their own country, chucking a spear at the head of a soldier who was turned around and only dodged by luck, and then going on the attack after he tries to defuse the situation with several lethal stabs only blocked by the man's allies.
Imagine America did something like this, it would be a political nightmare.
@@Ieam0309 America has done stuff like this.
@@shadezero8661 I meant in a meta sense, the show showing America doing this and presenting them in a positive light. Obviously America has done its fair share of war crimes irl.
So avengers can't fight anywhere they want but the Dora can? Plot armor at its finest
Blatant, shameless hypocrisy, not plot armor.
John: Alright I think we got off on the wrong foot. *Lightly touches shoulder*
Ayo: *murder and violence activated*
*Activate instant kill*
That wasn't "lightly" but point made lol.
@@AyosDesignz Did you forgot she threw a spear at him, I guess you did. In this modetn era, women are all innocent.
@@theoutlawking9123
1. The only thing being commented on was what happened in this particular clip. Not whatever you're referring to.
2. I forgot nothing. You assumed I did. I haven’t even seen this movie...episode?... yet.
3. Whatever happened between them before this scene does not change the observation that for THIS moment he did not "lightly" touch her shoulder and she clearly took that personally. Or as a sign of hostility when she was already on guard.
4. Please keep whatever prejudices or issues you're indicating towards having at women to yourself. I won't be entertaining such talks or playing therapist in the youtube comments.
Welp, that's all I feel like replying to you with. Should be enough to clear up your random assumptions about the nature of my comment regarding a short clip. I won't be responding to you after this. Bye~
@@AyosDesignz Bullshit excuses, whether it's in this scene or not it happened, it lead to this, so fuck off with that "we're talking about this, not that" courtroom shit.
Wakanda got pissed about Avengers being able to operate on foreign soil whenever they needed to fix a problem, but clearly Wakanda forces can do anything they want
They were doing what ‘colonizers’ always do…
Yeah makes me wanna think which one is worse, colonizers or puppeteers? Though they didn't really colonize anything, the fact that they have "war dogs" all over the world says a lot about their influence potential.
@@thebbqalchemist smh grow up dude
@@sschevmale24😄 so you had comments for Kevin but you didn't have any for Richard.🤡🤡
@@sschevmale24 keep crying, bro 🤣😂
When john realized even a female guard from wakanda can beat him, he completely broke down, realizing how weak he is against these superheroes, hence why he took the serum later
Sis said: Don’t touch me so casually we aren’t friends! Now everyone gets this ass whoopin! 😂😂
The definition of "don't put ya hands on me!"
Lol Denzel Washington 😂
Sorry, but he was right, the Dora Milaje did not have jurisdiction. Just cause they think they can do what ever they please doesnt make it true
Tell that to Wakanda, the most advanced civilization on Earth.
@@primalvelocity3811basically the nazis
@@primalvelocity3811because advanced technology = jurisdiction,
That's not at all tyrannical or oppressive
Well they are looking for the guy who u kno killed their King. I don't think they care about any jurisdiction when that's the case
@@technounionrepresentative4274 No, I agree, I was just saying.
So the dude that went head to head with captain America can’t handle a lady with a spear
Lol it’s the fighting technique that he is losing to, using his strength against him
Even then he’s not fighting to hurt her, just trying to prevent her to hurting anyone else, and she disarmed him because the arm was made by shuri and had a safety measure directly put there by shuri which would be known by anyone in wakanda who knows bucky as a security measure lmao
you think the royal guard of Wakanda isn't trained better than two US army dudes..?
Bucky wasn't trying to fight and those ladies are probably have better training then Steve
@@Scripzure she is not more trained than captain America or even close to his strength.
@@Scripzurethey're two super soldiers fighting two women 😂
"International Crimes!! its fine when the Dora melaje does it"🙃
That is how all nations with the ability to projects power globally behave. The ability to do it, gives the authority to do it. Exactly what more than a harshly worded letter of protest to the Wakandian embassy is whatever postcard European nation going to do about it. When has a lack of jurisdiction stopped the U.S. from sending operatives? Do you think we had Jurisdiction in Pakistan when we landed a team of seals in their nation locked down a neighborhood and killed Osama bin laden? No one in that room has jurisdiction, none of them should actually be there.
@@clementmckenzie7041 So you're saying the Dora Milaje are as bad as the U.S. government?
Those utter bastards.
@@Lorgar64 yes, this is the normative behavior of all governments. When exactly have they portrayed Wakanda as better? It's not, it's just stronger. All governments spy on each other, spying protects the peace. All governments who can projects power globally do. Wakanda just hasn't up to this point. But Rahmunda obviously is willing to. Invasion is not the Wakandian way. But clandestine operations obviously is, just like every other nation on earth with the budget to do so. Not protecting your national interest is poor governance
@@clementmckenzie7041 Congratulations. In defending a fictional country you've also provided an argument for defending real life states, on the grounds it's just good governance.
@@Lorgar64 I mean it as a defense of real life government. Violating Pakistani sovereignty and killing Bin Laden, has no doubt saved hundreds of American lives. Spying on our allies keeps them our allies and prevents wars. These actions are the legitimate function of government and any government not involved in them is doing their citizens a disservice.
That's not how jurisdiction works
dude they transfer leadership by challenging the current leader to combat, ie, might gives their leadership the right to rule.
anybody whose rationalized that system to be moral wouldn't surprise me by also thinking their jurisdiction just follows then into other nations borders and might even supercede their internal authority to handle their own affairs.
They go where they are ordered whoever sits on the throne and tells them they must go to Washington they will go there
@@LordePhantom k still doesn't explain jurisdiction wherever they find themselves nonsense
@@samedwards4633
Oh they don't care about jurisdiction, similar to T'Challa he would kill anyone who stood in his way to get justice for his father
@@LordePhantom so they just do whatever they want with impunity
Guess those Dora Milaje dont care about those Sokovia accords then....
They are also Wakanda's CIA/MI6. Lighten up.
@@thespeedracer5772Not the same thing. They live in a monarchy, so if their king can't carry jurisdiction, then they shouldn't be able to either.
@@Based_4_Life Given the circumstances of the very real fascist creep in America & the right wing movement around the globe, Ive reconsidered... I am much more relieved to have younger folks hyper sensitive towards anything & everything that could promote/help their most existential threat to liberal western ideology & democracy.
Everything is relative, as critical thinking, socially conscious humans know & practice.
They don't stand by the accords because original king was killed during America's avenger's watch
@@nathanieljones1945 If the Accords the Wakandan king supported had been in effect when the bombing happened, the Avengers wouldn't have had jurisdiction there anyway. Your argument is nonsensical.
The plot armor is strong here 😂
Indeed
Nah, Bucky has no interest in fighting the Dora or defending fake cap. All his moves are defensive. He never even tries to hit one, just distract the one he knows best. The others never had a chance of defeating a Dora.
Her response to the no jurisdiction thing was just DRENCHED in privilege😂
Frrrrrr, I don't know why but it bothers me so much
Yeaaaah, i never liked Wakandans much anyways, theyre whole history is “ only we deserve vibranium”
They definitely love their Privilege 😂
They're royal guards and the best warriors in the world so yes they have privilege..👑🖤
@@mbblash6314 best at standing still while their continent ravaged and enslaved themselves because they didnt want to share vibrainium .
Ya got some proud warriors there😂😂
That was literally the plot of the first black panther 😂
@@ElderKaius yes I know that was part of the plot of BP1..but that was the choice of King T'chaka and Kings before him..when T'challa became king he shared their technology with the world..before him they only used vibranium technology to protect Wakanda..they didn't want it falling into the wrong hands..
"I think we got off on the wrong foot"
"Bet, here's the right foot"
The look of betrayal on buckys face when she disconnected his arm was too funny. Just a "you really gonna do me like that?"
These warriors were trained to deal with super-soldiers
The fun part is that they’ve done more in the comics . It’s nice to see them get close to the comic versions haha
Pretty op for soldiers who aren’t even super humans.
@@meurumtrain4747 i mean nobody but Bucky is a super human in this scene and he is actively not trying to hurt them. Falcon isnt wearing armor and doesnt have a weapon so hes at a disadvantage and the other two didnt get hits in because of the surprise strike with vibranium spears. the result was hardly a surprise
@@ecadogan4 in the comics these warriors are pretty op.
@@meurumtrain4747 true but the comics are a whole different beast, constant retcons, almost all the character are like 50 times stronger than they are in the films
you do realise Walker was an OP super solder in the comics...in fact he would probably come out on top against captain America himself
Damn, she really ctrl-alt-delete his arm😂😂😂😂
This comment is so underrated 😂
The way they nerfed Bucky and the Hulk is the worst thing that has happened to mcu
Bucky wasn’t even trying to fight Ayo. She’s a friend.
They aren't nerfed. They are men. Learn how to be one.
Falcon: You know she could do that?
"I am as surprised as you" 🤣
Remember how the Dora Milaje got trampled by Corvus Glaive like it was nothing?
1 dora milaje member is equivalent to 1000 people, that's why the country of wakanda is hard to conquer
@@PixelGoblin47 is this lore? Cause that's total bs, and ironically would be too little anyway.
Yeah, Bucky ain't him. Remember how Nakia disarmed killmonger in three moves and she is not a Dora? Bucky is closer to killmonger.
"LOOK AT ME IM THE CAPTAIN OF THIS AMERICA NOW"
-The Dora Milaje probably
They literally escalated a situation by attempting to murder a man trying to de escalate the situation. This scene was badly written and made the dora milaje's reputation as out of control entitled monsters
I really felt for him… Such a great actor. I hope we see more of him in the MCU.
He'll be in the Thunderbolts film!
Repossessed that mf arm too! "Property of wakanda punk" 😂😂
Nice one dude😂
Dora Milaje literally commited and international crime and attempted to murder these dudes over a minor disagreement. but the new captain america kills a dude in the heat of combat for murdering his best freind and is somehow the bad guy.
Yup. The Dora Milaje should be allowed to enforce their will on the rest ofvthe world. You should sympathize with Karli even while she's blowing people up. Oh, but fuck the traumatized combat veteran for killing a poor innocent terrorist.
Endgame was the end of the MCU.
1 Dora milaje did it without cameras watching it wasn’t attempted murder more like assault plus that cap bashed a man’s skull in front of a lot cameras now he might of had a good reason too but 🤦♂️ he was the face of the nation bro can’t just be doing that
It was not in the heat of combat. That man was fleeing, the rest of the battle had ended already. He was in a very public area, as a very public figure of a different country, repeated striking a man who was already down. I understand having an emotional reaction, but as Captain America operating in a European nation, he has to conduct himself as a figurehead of American values.
There's no way this dude be saying John is his captain America 🤣💀 you trying real hard to be different
>Heat of combat
Dude was literally running away
John Walker trying to talk things out when the Doras retaliate to violence
People saying John Walker is bad, dude tried to talk them down first avoiding a fight.
but maybe dont go touching women like theyre property
@@swyxTV true true
@@swyxTV funny how stupid you sound
@@swyxTV Hand on a shoulder = you’re my property?
@@atlas5007 to people from the only African nation that never was colonized. So they was just keeping they're strict hands off policy. It makes sense they had that mentality all the way down to the individuals of the Nation. And even more so of the elite guards of that Nation
They where trained to fight any black panther if he ever went rogue, they can’t beat him but trained to contain him, the real cap had knowledge of them, but this was good writing, pays homage to them in the comics as being no joke
But it was seen that Bucky can only handle the Dora Millalles
@@joselu_0336nah I Bucky strong ye lwk the only one there who could fight them but I’m pretty sure he wasn’t trny get active in here that’s why he ain’t do anything
THIS.. theyre literally trained from early childhood to contend with a rogue panther aswell as be his potential wife/consort, for all we know they been xhewing on heartshape herb leaf since they was chillins too 😂
@@cliveumba1601that guy is a troll that goes round making the same comment. ignore.
If winter solider was there and not Bucky they would have been screwed
She “Disarmed “ him with one move😂
My favorite part “they’re weren’t even super soldiers” 😂😂😂
I like how john was painted as a bad guy for anvenging his best friend, yet the dora milaje almost put a spear through his face just for toughing them
Apples and oranges!
@@bsmirh9021just terrible writing. they did walker so dirty.
John is my captain america
They aren't Americans. Wakandans don't like outsiders. Being touched by strangers isn't their way. This is a real thing in some African, Arab and Asian cultures.
@@jesushateswood you aren't an outsider in your own country🤡 they are the outsiders here lol
Bucky…*emotional damage*
More like
John Walker - But I'm Captain America now 😥
FACTS
Dude looked so rejected...poor Bucky!
Bucky really thought he had the upper hand..
bro bucky in civil war was like the boss when you fight him, and in falcon and the winter soldier he's like the boss when you unlock him
100% accurate
bucky is civil war was bad, because they kept on protecting him like a little baby, he peaked in CA 2
They're not even super soldier
This shows how much skilled the dora milaje are!!
Best pro gun add I've ever seen lmao, "super hero movies don't work with a Walther" lol
Eh, these superhero movies are not consistent with reality. In the MCU, if iron man gets shot in the armor, he's fine. If he goes hand-to-hand with an opponent (Steve Rogers) he gets bruised and bloody. Also in many movies, overpenetration really on exists with large, high velocity calibers, but never handgun calibers. A handgun in the movies wouldn't be able to do much or any damage if it hits a wall or a single person. In reality, a standard 9mm will likely go through a few walls (assuming dry wall) and will probably go through a person, depending on shot placement and distance.
Its "Bast(panther goddess), damn you James"
It's Bast (a panther goddess) not Bastard
ah my bad. Thank you for the correction.
@@f_zuu allg
I thought Bast was just the cat goddess/ guardian of the dead? Didn’t know she was a panther!
It is really Bastet from the Nile Valley Civilization
@@CKT1249 yeahhhhhhh, but that's not what they said or what's being referenced.
So why do the Dora Milaje have jurisdiction "wherever they happen to be" but The Avengers have to sign the Sokovia Accords? That's Marvel, aways soft on the continuity...
Except after the snap the sokovia accords got ratified and removed
@@Jedimindkillerjr which would be after this story in she hulk. A better question is who gave them this mission. Was it t'challa or Ramonda? Also, why didnt John Walker report that wakandans interrupted an American operation to his CO?
That's Disney
Considering that zemo is a terrorist responsible for killing their sovereign ruler who was recognized internationally as such they were acting well within their jurisdiction.
@@arikemeiziii5549 I’m not entirely sure but I’m pretty sure the Dora Milaje are separate from the kingdom of Wakanda. They serve the kingdom, but aren’t led by the king or queen
The nerfed Bucky so hard he is literally falling apart.
Most of the male characters are. Especially the white ones unfortunately
@@gamevidz8763 Excuses
@@SquiddleTheThird Yup bad excuses from Disney.
Ayo knew the code to unlock his arm. He wasn’t even trying to fight her.
It was like if your little sister tried to “girl fight” you but, as you tried to get her to quit, she got off one solid punch that actually hurt.
"Look, I think we got off on the wrong foot."
*gets his ass beat for tryna be diplomatic*
I like how the Dora are supposed to be the good guys in this scene and somehow in the right to attack people for no reason
They had reason
@@MatthewMurraycogswoth breaking and entering, assault and battery, attempted murder and ignoring sovereignty of another nation and most importantly just being a dick to someome trying to work out the tension verbally. Funny enough this very same thing happened in Black panther 2 and it was the attackers who were in the wrong then 🤔 😑
They came to get Zemo. His explosion killed T'Challa's father.
It was poor writing in Captain America:Civil War when T'Challa let Zemo live. He should have been killed swiftly.
They released the guy who murdered their king from prison they definitely had motive
@@Betroid isn't it a point in the black panther movies that everyone America for performing black operations on foreign lands bc they wanted justice or something but somehow the Dora are in the right for illegally chasing a fugitive they have no jurisdiction to claim?
Damn they really tried to convince you that Walker is somehow the bad guy
Shit is sickening
"Won't somebody please think of the poor mad-bombing, mass-murdering terrorists?!"
He was??
??????
He is an antihero. He's not a bad guy, just a bad hero.
Remind me how this new Captain America is the bad guy again
He killed a guy with the shield and is generally a bitch
Because the writer says so
He a soldier not a leader. He doesn't know how to think for himself vs doing his job. A balance Steve had.
He's also dumb. Lol.
He's not. Everyone else is just being an asshole to him because he's not Steve Rodgers. It's like seeing your mom marry a man that is not your father. But the thing is that man your mom married is actually making an effort to be the father that walked out on you.
@mcponmilkman4398 horrible comparison. It's more like he's trying to be like the ex husband and the kids see through his bullshit. He's not in it for the right reasons. He was chosen because he's a great soldier not a great person/leader
*"The Dora Milaje have jurisdiction wherever the Dora Milaje find themselves to be"*
*That's such a Dora Milaje thing to say*
Walker is the good guy in this scene, he's the only one trying to do right and not acting with open hostility lol.... also miss Dora Milajae, that's not how jurisdiction works
considering the dora milajae are the wakandan special forces equivalent to us delta force that is exactly how jurisdiction works
@@benledet-reeves454not exactly
@@benledet-reeves454 facts! Ppl can stay pressed about it.
@@benledet-reeves454 i dont believe special forces have any jurisdiction outside of their country, sure they can be sent on missions and have jurisdiction as so far as caretaking their country's interests.. but they have no jurisdiction in the country of operation as being found out can get you imprisoned, jailed or even start a war if found out.
@@benledet-reeves454 It's not. At all. Maybe crack open a textbook on that.
😅😂 yo the look on bucky face is priceless
the same look when Tony stopped a bullet with his watch thingie, or when Spidey grabbed his robo arm.
Falcon trying to save this man’s ego
Shit writing from the story makers here
My man's got his ass beat so bad, it made him question if his in the right profession 😂😂😂😂
Imagine a super soldier Dora Milaje.
Exactly,looks like everyone has super strength,speed and durability,anything goes at this point.
The rule is if they aren't White they're immediately stronger
It's so horrific and embarrassing I couldn't even finish this short clip.