How Not To Become Mr. Enter
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- An instructional video on how to avoid the same creative pitfalls as The Mysterious Mr. Enter, would-be creator of nonexistent animated series Growing Around.
Professional Writer Gus Zagarella and Masters In Animation Meg Tuten discuss the various trials of being neurodivergent creators and how working on Less Is Morgue and other projects has made them better team players.
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I don’t think Mr. Enter is that good of a review anyways. To be honest a lot of reviewers here on UA-cam don’t seem to be well educated on writing and story.
This is a random question, but could all this advice help people who wanna work on comics and video games (video games with a story, like RPG games, for example)?
Also, what you said about the other perspectives and getting other people to help you with the story and characters is definitely something that I always wanted to do and currently am doing, kind of.
For reference, I have a 2D (sprites, like 16-bit) RPG video game idea that I talk to a close online friend of mine with a lot. I've also talked about it a bit with a few other people, but I've discussed my ideas with him the most. However, I still wanna get other people to help me with the game, mainly Native Americans, or indigenous peoples of the Americas (including the Caribbean), since a large majority of game's main cast consists of people of those ethnicities and cultures. (2 of them are of indigenous ethnicities/cultures that my friend and I are descended from though; there's a Taíno character and a Mayan character, and since I'm Puerto Rican, I have Taíno ancestry and you can even see some of it in me, and my friend is half-Mexican half-Cuban, and on his Mexican side he is of Mayan descent, and he could also be a Taíno descendant since he's half-Cuban, but I'm not entirely sure though).
I'm not currently working on the game itself yet though, right now it's just in the ideas and concept art phase. I'm probably not gonna be working on it for a long time though, since I need to learn to program first.
On Discord, I'm on a server where me, my friend and our other mutual friends and acquaintances where we share our ideas for stuff and show concept art, stuff like that. I feel like this could help us a lot in the long run, though a huge issue I have is I'm very shy when it comes to my ideas, mainly because I'm scared of people ridiculing me for them. I'm open to advice related to this, if you wanna give me it. (By the way, I'm Autistic myself, since I also have Asperger's.)
Agreed. You have to make SOMETHING instead of just talking about it. Otherwise it will never actually happen.
Two elements here:
On the first, as an autistic creator, I legit just took 6 years off bc I had to deal with some things and my mental health wouldn't let me work in the way I need to to get projects going. There's no shame in that, and it's unfortunate that I think a lot of people put their value in themselves as creators to the point where they would see that as a value judgement to take the time you need.
On the second, I tell literally everyone who is going into storytelling this, and it bears repeating again and again: ideas are not worth shit. Ideas come, ideas go...the only point of an idea is to find one or ones that *you* like a lot, bc you are going to spend time working on it, so you should work on ones that bring you joy to work on. But there is nothing inherently good or amazing about any particular idea. The entirety of if a work is good or not comes down to the execution of it all. That's why you shouldn't be precious about things, because that gets in the way of creating.
That's really good advice, especially the last bit. I tend to get bogged down by ideas, reinventing and revising them in my head without getting any work done. I find that it's easier to make something you're proud of when you just do it, even if it doesn't turn out the way you originally imagined it.
Slight correction: He PLANS for a 175-episode run, but he's only written about 80 or 90 scripts, and he only considers 40 of them "canon." He's got a long way to go for a journey so pointless.
If this man devoted his energy to doing worthwhile things, he’d be unstoppable
Who the heck plans for 100+ episodes?! Most shows don't get more two seasons these days, regardless of who makes them, and that's anywhere from 8 to 50 episodes or so. How does he expect to write and animate all of that? Go realistic with 12 episodes to start with and see where that goes. That's what I'd do.
OHHI TAS didn’t know y’all followed Enter like y’all follow on Nostalgia Critic and CWC also known as “she that shan’t not be shamed”
175 episodes? Good lord, that's longer than practically any modern show.
Shoot, most series only get 12 episodes.
@@henrygalley2831one must imagine John Enter happy.
It kinda warms my heart that yall are so open about neurodivergance. Not gonna lie, i have ADHD and i kinda gave up on my writing but yall always make me feel like i can do it and i can write. And ive gotten back into it to an extent, just to write, and it feels awesome.
It made me really happy to find out that the people i look up to, yall, are like me.
Everyone who has a passion for writing should try it out!
I have adhd as well (quite severe issues because of trauma as well) and sometimes the outside world can become really overwhelming. Watching videos like this and hearing people actually acknowledging adhd as something other than “fake” or “child disorder” is nice.
I’m very vulnerable to hate or disbelief in that certain area and it’s nice to see other people just treating it like a normal thing that people have (sort of like depression or anxiety). I’m rambling, that’s typical of me. With my adhd I suffer bad depression and I can’t seem to motivate myself to do much but with writing, although it’s hard to start, it’s extremely hard for me to cut myself off and keep from writing paragraphs.
@@cinderheartmeow6032 honestly same. Like no exaggerations every symptom possible of adhd i have…its insane how hard it feels to do basic functions sometimes…
It is really really cool to see people i look up to not only with the same (or similar) stuff to me but to also keep it real. Its heartening and reminds me im doin alright yknow?
I'm glad to see this comment, I was so nervous to watch this video because so many people on the internet pic on us autistic people
@@kaydwessie296 the internet unfortunately picks on everyone but this channel is dope af and really solid in my eyes! Ive been a sub for a while now and theyre great w actual literary analysis (and being funny as hell) while also still respecting the creators they are critiquing!!
Mr. Enter makes me so sad just like him I'm autistic and I kinda just see like this creepy almost vision what I could have been if I didn't stop obsessing over every little failure and perceived slight.
I'm autistic and I feel the same way to be honest.
@@mysticmaya3710 Same
That reminds of my great grandmother, her parents cheated her in her early 20's, since then she seems to worry that everyone might be scheming against her.
@@radiokunio3738 Same thing happened to me in middle school some kids humiliated me. So I spent the next 3-4 years being distrustful of people it took me a long time to accept that not everybody who was nice to me was trying to use me.
I've heard similar comments when the subject of Chris Chan is brought up. I'm always hesitant to criticize Mr. E because I don't want to dunk on someone for being neurodivergent. But... It's also not really an excuse.
I don't know, I just hope that the discussion around him always remains around his as a person and doesn't enter harassment territory like it has with other internet people.
I'll be honest, I always kind of hold my breath whenever people start talking about Mr. Enter because I've seen plenty of people using the failure of Growing Around as an excuse to be ableist re: his and the GA staff's neurodivergence. Hearing you two discuss it was so good; you autopsy the whole business with a lot of real empathy and professional insight, and it's a delight.
Who exactly was using the production failure of Growing Around to be ablelist?
Was the argument, "Look at this media project being run by man children! This is why these types of people should never create a TV Show!"
If so, people will really find any excuse to go pick on people's mental.
@@thienbaongo7997 It’s mainly a lot of the discussions around Enter in general. Sadly, most of the people who “criticize” him on UA-cam don’t have good intentions; they’re almost always PNGTuber commentary channels who only have problems with him because he’s “cringey” and play into the “creepy autistic manchild” stereotype when discussing him. It’s sad that most discussions of him treat him as a lolcow when his mental health is genuinely going down the drain. I don’t believe he’s a bad guy, he just needs to get help and listen to criticism.
The best point Gus & Meg make in the whole video is talking about how to make friends as an adult and how important it is to any creative process. It's damned difficult, and working alone is so much harder to be successful on any project than that same thing while working with a friend.
tbh I used to be a big fan of Mr. Enter in high school. He was the first creator/youtuber I knew who was openly autistic and I admired that as a fellow Autistic teen, especially back when the word was still widely thrown around as an insult. I hope he switches gears soon, it's just sad to see someone go down with a ship that never even floated.
also I just looked up some of his scripts, they're not in proper screenwriting format and it's making me itch. I *really* hope he's learnt that much since the DA ones. If not, Trelby is free and someone should show him it.
Ayyy, same here!
I feel like another thing holding Enter back is his lack of marketing, I understand where Enter is coming from (Most marketing can be pretty shady) but one of the main reasons his book on Growing Around didn’t sell well was not many people knew that it had even existed due to his marketing being non existent. It doesn’t even have to be this big thing, He could just put a little thing at the start of the video saying he wrote something and where you could buy it.
Its makes sense considering a lot of cartoons based on toys
Yeah I can agree cause I honestly never knew that Mr Enter even wrote a book until now and unlike other youtubers (like Odd1sout and Jaiden Animations, I know they are much bigger channels than Mr Enter is but since both of them sell merch I am gonna use them as an example) at least they briefly advertise their merch so if people want to buy their stuff they can but with Mr Enter, honestly I never knew that he wrote books cause from what I am aware he never talked about it.
I guess so. It's not like telling people that you made something is a bad thing, no matter what those prudes say. It's just that how you explain it is the important thing. To hell with false modesty; take pride in your work. I hope he can use the indiegogo failure was a learning experience for him. By the way, I wanna know how Family Guy wastes a million dollars per episode, while Enter only asked for half that much and people think that's unreasonable.
Weird that he didn't do that considering that's where everyone is. Perfect place to advertise it if he doesn't wanna get actual advertising people doing it
“This video completely failed to mention 9/11, and thus it’s bad.”
-Mr Enter, probably
Ah, the Turning Red review. I wanted to read the comments to that one, but... :(
It's a kid's movie, for crying out loud. There's a reason they wouldn't mention 9/11 or have everyone being kind of depressed/scared.
Turning Red has a boy band of 2K, and it’s not catchy and panders to teenage girls, so therefore it’s bad! - ExoParadigmGamer as Whiny Bitch Gamer
See the more I read and learn about this, the more I realize Mr. Enter's making all of the same mistakes yanderedev is. Like they've both created these giant expansive loredump worlds for things that haven't even gotten off the floor yet in terms of being a thing. They've had people reach out and attempt to help get the projects off the ground and they both reacted poorly and accused people of deviating too far from the original vision. It's just sad.
i think they're similar too, they're both "idea guys" who thought they could sustain an entire project while mainly just being the idea guys, and they think that they can just coast off of that while getting other people to do the rest, when really anybody can be the idea guy, we've all got big ideas, but _then_ you need to figure out how to put that idea into motion.
anybody can go "hey, that'd make a cool tv show/game/product" but how are you going to do it?
If a kid starts making little animations on UA-cam for fun today, they'll produce more animated content in a week than Enter has during his multi-year long pilot project
This is devastating but so damn true
Meanwhile, Vivziepops has been making Hazbin Hotel characters (and some projects like Zoophobia) for years before the pilot even came out (hence the speedpainting content). I wasn't even aware about that until now.
I think there are good amounts of UA-cam animations out there that are suprisingly good. Like "Blue Hilda" or "Satina".
@@poweroffriendship2.0
There really has been a crazy paradigm shift of self-starters pushing the medium lately. Modern industry animation is neat, but I feel more excited whenever indie creators like Vivz, Worthikids, Joel G, or Otaking upload new stuff
Eh, that's not necessarily true. I used to make animations as a kid, but I never got around to finishing them due to lack of interest. But hey, at least I got some of the actual animation done!
@ABC Master Since you improved, then continue where you left off or use your previous works as inspirations.
I actually disagree with your sentiment that Growing Around should be a novel. I listened to Bad Book Club, a podcast hosted by people were unaware of Enter, and were not familiar with cartoons, they felt that many of the jokes in the novel simply didn't work, because of the format. I think rather than writing a book I think that Growing Around would work better as one of those graphic novels that you see in Schoolastic Bookfairs and elementary schools. Unfortunately, I think that Enter has burned a shitton of bridges with a bunch of artists.
I agree. The way I assess Enter's writing is very based on my own experiences , but I am autistic, and a very visual thinker. When I'm writing, I have to translate the images in my mind's eye into words. A lot of the flatness of enter's writing comes off like he's doing that without being aware he's an issue, compounded by the fact that Enter thinks reading more would be bad for his writing, so he's stuck trying to fit the round peg of the medium he's familiar with and what comes naturally to him in the square hole of the medium he can access
Honestly I'd be fine with the novel if he didn't write the main character as such a piece of shit. I'd have actually enjoyed it if Sally had been sympathetic towards her mom and talked and come up with solutions for problems, but nope. Rollerskate eating and clown suits. Because comedic abusive relationships being portrayed as anything but abusive isn't a tiring cliche that I want eliminated from all future media /s.
@@TheBonkleFox its something that would happen in any Animated Atrocities episode and definitely something that he would have complained about
4/10 video. Didn’t talk about the Taliban coming back into power, despite it occurring in the same year.
Feels weird, realizing that was 2 years ago. Yet it feels like it happened only months ago.
It's far from a waste to scrap stuff that doesn't fit in your story, you save it in a separate document to share as behind-the-scenes/extra material in the future. Ppl love that shit!
Or you save it to perhaps be used in a different project in the future, if it turns out to fit.
And I feel like the actual art equivalent of writing a short story would be something like... painting a rich landscape on a canvas the size of a coin. (speaking as an artist but not a writer)
Exactly! I've re-used elements from characters I've previously scrapped and reworked them into other characters.
Yeah, as a mashup artist, I have plenty of scrapped tracks that I tried to make work but they never just did.
Tbh the stick figure comparison works, mr. enter just doesn't seem to realize that drawing stick figures is... literally what great art pieces start with. You usually don't just start painting every detail as accurately as you can before you've even blocked out the shapes.
I've actually taken entire characters (complete with backstories) from projects I scrapped and reworked them to fit into a newer story. Like, I had a sorcerer, a fairy, and an elf from an urban fantasy story I gave up on, and modified them to fit into the more standard fantasy story that's become my current passion project. I honestly like the modified versions a bit better, though I do admit, I miss the fairy's video game obsession.
Heck, now that I think about it, I've re-imagined and incorporated a lot of characters from scrapped projects... and now that I've typed that out, I realize that I may have *too many* characters, even though the overall plan is to have multiple groups of characters with their own stories...
Crap. Now I'm not sure how to go forward with it.
Growing Around feels like the kind of show Enter would breathlessly ridicule if someone else made it.
In an alternate world, Growing Around was the Shorty McShortShorts pilot Enter liked the concept of, just hated the execution, and then got the idea for 'Flip Flopped' where adults act like children and childen act like adults
I’m glad to see this isn’t just a video tearing Enter a new one. You give praise and criticism where it is due and suggest where you think his project should go. So many people hate this guy and it’s good to see him treated with a level of respect. Thank you.
Too bad either Enter won't see it, because he doesn't watch the videos that give him criticism. 😒
So I'm crowdfunding for an animated movie myself, mostly encouraged by my old screenwriting professor to do so, and am trying to avoid any and all pitfalls I could run into. So I've been watching through this again to get a good feel on how to make a successful campaign.
Started by keeping the goal flexible, and setting it to a more realistic number which is only a fraction of my actual needed budget. My professor's been pointing me to more professional places where I can get grant money from, primarily the art scene in Starbucks weirdly enough. We're also planning to screen progress work at SXSW and other film festivals.
I feel like I've set a lot of healthy, realistic parameters for myself but I've just launched my Indiegogo page yesterday and am already feeling nervous heh. Hope it all goes well though.
RE the "Kill your babies" discussion, I think part of the reason people don't consider it is because they may think it's all or nothing when it's a pick and choose kind of thing
And now he said Turning Red needed 9/11 references.
He has serious issues.
A lot of what you say here really speaks to me, mostly because, yeah, when I write a story I'm passionate about, I always come up with all sorts of ideas in advance. But then there's always a point where I think 'does that idea I came up with actually work here?' And if it doesn't, I come up with something else that does fit with what I've written up to that point. This has resulted in me repeatedly relying on tropes that I'm not usually the biggest fan of, and it's made me realize why said tropes are so common, because so often, many of my stories just couldn't work without me relying on them. Oftentimes when I actually do go against usual clichés, I end up regretting it later.
To name a good example of this, there was a story I wrote years ago where, like many a TV show writer, I was initially planning on having the male lead end up with the first female lead he became friends with. You know, the usual placeholder for a romance. Later I introduced a rival for said love interest, but I wound up giving her so much chemistry with the male lead, I ultimately realized pairing those two up made much more sense. And honestly, I'm happy with the direction I took because in hindsight, the initial pairing I had in mind wouldn't have worked nearly as well.
As for the whole 'don't get too precious' step, that instantly made me think of what went down with Star Vs. during its final season, how it was painfully obvious the people behind the show were absolutely certain there would be a fifth season, not knowing Disney has a four season limit for their animated shows. And yeah, this resulted in a clumsily written season with a disappointing conclusion. If they had prepared in advance for the possibility of the show ending after its forth season, it could have been great.
" Later I introduced a rival for said love interest, but I wound up giving her so much chemistry with the male lead, I ultimately realized pairing those two up made much more sense."
So you did the opposite of what Meyers did in the Twilight series?
If I may add a piece of advice that I learned from Akira Toriyama is the art of "Less is More" it might not always work in most cases, but it is a philosophy that most writers/artists/etc. should try to practice.
When Toriyama drew out his panels in order to meet with deadlines he had to catch every frame of the action in a way that conveyed the story without going into detail; he also applied the less is more philosophy to his designs, there's a reason Frieza's final form is less detailed then his previous forms and that's because it was 1)easier to draw 2) helped to hide how terrifyingly powerful Frieza was. and then there is the Super Saiyan design, the idea of him having yellow hair was done just so Toriyama's assistant wouldn't have to do so much work inking in Goku's black hair which in the end saved a bunch of time and it ended up being one of the most iconic looks not just in Dragonball but anime as a whole.
Something that gets brought up a lot with the Dragonball Super manga is that Toyotaro (Toriyama's protege) is too busy with his panels, like you guys mentioned in the video regarding how writers should go too far into detail with their world building is similar to the habits Toyotaro has gotten himself into with how he writes out and draws for DBS's Manga, there are too many panels he puts on each page, some that can be trimmed out to better pace the story and some that can be trimmed out because there is to much exposition going on that distracts from the fight taking place.
I love the origins for Super Saiyan's hair being gold. Just that fact he did it to ease the workload of his assistant is pretty cool.
The story of the creator behind Dragon Balls Z is convincing. A Japanese who drew panels with less details to save time is such an interesting tactic.
Almost everything said in this video, I’ve had to learn through struggling as a beginner writer. It’s 10x better to learn this stuff through small one off projects rather than one big passion project. It saves you a lot of heartbreak and helps you come in at your most skilled.
This is a more beginner thing but with simplicity in design, I feel like a lot of people forget about that aspect. With any medium trying to convey character, clarity is key. It’s hard to kind of express traits through a “creative but efficient means” rather than just saying “He’s bold”.
As an AuDHD (autistic/ADHD comorbid) creator, I have way too many ideas but not the courage to share them. I’m just too self-conscious.
Tumblr is a great place to share ideas! It happens to have a lot of autistic people/neurodivergent people in general and it's a really chill place. There's also a bopping writer's community there, with plenty of resources/tips to help you.
"Lord of The Rings dwarfing, Homestuck approaching" is gonna be my new catchphrase
In high school I made the mistake of planning out a season for a drama (live action), and by planning out the season, I mean I wrote the script to each episode..in one word document and the plan was to pitch the entire season with all of those episodes. Needless to say, 16 year old me was an idiot.
Thanks for the shout out, Meg and Gus! ❤️
Before watching this, the problem with Growing Around is that there's a lot he could do with the premise that he isn't doing. Like focusing on the adults instead of the kids. Enter doesn't seem like a... very happy guy to say the least. Since the world of Growing Around shares a lot with our world on paper, he could rationalize his own beliefs and struggles through a cartoon that he makes.
I feel like he focuses on the kids because that childish wish fulfillment is popular in children's media (which he tends to analyze), though it'd be interesting to see an adult animated show from the adult's perspective. It probably won't be as fun, but at least it'd be something fresh.
I love Gus' "sippy cup and a nap" approach to emotion regulation 🤣🤣🤣
I've been working on a comic for a little while now. One that I haven't really shown anyone yet besides close friends. Partly because I'm self conscious about my work and partly because as much as I try to find the best ways to improve upon on my art and the story, I know very little about how I should go about the process of putting it out there into the world. It's about five chapters in and I keep thinking things like:
"I should be further along by now!"
"I can do better, I'm going to go back and fix some stuff" (Even though doing so always takes up a lot of time)
"I have these other ideas that I also want to work on, but I don't want to give up on this."
"How am I going to handle the monster that is actually putting it out there into the world? I don't know about marketing or what's the best way to get this seen!"
I really want to say thank you for this video which has given me a lot to think about in how I go forward.
I’m wishing you so much luck in making your comic. I’m writing a longform comic too and I’ve had a lot of similar thoughts. We’ll get there, and it’ll be amazing!
Are you posting anything about your comic online? I’d be curious to see something from it or hear what it’s about
Mr.Enter basically tried to set everything up all that once rather then start simple and work up from there.
Good stuff! Thank you for the upload! 💜 ❤️
In regards to Gus's comment on building a very good story around tight sentences, I had a difficult time writing short stories because I didn't want to kill my darlings, and I thought every single thing was important for the audience to know without allowing the story to progress naturally.
Flash fiction or micro fiction helps with that so much. I'm actually a part of this writing Discord server, Tale Foundry, where people can participate in a weekly (barring skipped weeks) writing submission based around a prompt. It's a different prompt every week that it's done, and there are rules for it. Maximum word count is 350. Also, a select amount of stories get chosen to be read on Twitch.
I digress. This particular form has helped immensely. It allows you to trim so much fat and unnecessary filler and padding. It's really good when you want to focus on particular moments rather than an overarching plot. I highly recommend it.
Honestly instead of nursing the same decade-old project forever, I just sorta shelve it and forget about it until I can come back to it, get a fresh perspective on it, and either recycle it into something new, shred it and weave the shreds into a different project, or, rarely, continue working on it if I genuinely believe it can still work (likely while also tossing out a lot of my original work on the project while keeping the more general stuff like the world and core concepts).
Sometimes I'll also just re-shelve it until I can think of something cool to do with it. God knows I've dug up old writing projects from when I was around 13-20 (2009-2016) and gone "huh, that's actually not bad... no idea what I'll do with it but I wanna use this concept at some point".
I actually do the same you do. I have projects I haven't touched in three years and I take them and put them in another project.
Watching this after the 9/11 memes
The whole reason I stopped watching him was a video he made a while back where he was receiving valid criticism and was some how blaming others for it.
I'm just gonna flat out state it now, Mr. Enter hates Brian Griffin a lot, but in truth as a writer and a creator, he's exactly like Brian Griffin. Like the similarities when you look at it closely is kind of surprising and also very ironic.
I love Stewie fucking with Brian on his novel he'd been working on for 3 years. I know it was released in some later episode but it's still true.
The premise of Growing Around is just uncomfortable to me. It just seems like some dystopia witch strange fetishistic elements. Like Bojack Horseman but if it focused on how half of the people were animals and it was like some furry fetish thing but it still was played seriously.
Now that you said "too many cooks" I have the Adult Swim theme playing through my head. "Too many cooks, it takes a lot to make a stew..."
Mr enter now thats a name i havent heard in a long while
It's been more than a year since this video's made, and yeah, his situation's so much worse.....
>when the advice is already your work ethic.
Feels good man.
At first i thought this would just be a podcast bashing enter and making fun of him......but i'm surprised to see the opposite. It seems like you actually want to give advice and criticism to enter without being rude to him.
And the advice is good too.
I needed to hear this today. I'm currently solo writing a video game plot, and very often I get so self conscious over my plot or plot points and elements that I have to ask like my entire friend group and multiple family members if I'm doing it right, and like, I realized after a point that most of the time (around 90%), I was overthinking it. The points I needed criticism were the points I was definitely doing something too obtuse or making something convoluted in a way the player won't understand.
However, very often I get self conscious of how long I have been taking to develop this, and have been comparing my concerning thoughts to Mr. Enter's trajectory, especially since I scrapped MANY ideas about animation prior to this project because I realized that animation isn't my specialty. I'm forced to remember (thank you guys), that I have at least been trying consistently on it. While I'm in the phase where I'm writing the plot and drawing some of the characters on my own, someday I will be able to develop this game with a team I can hire, but I know that I'm not there yet. I still have many skills to learn before I'm ready and many more ambitious bits to work towards, but I can see in just the last year alone that I'm almost done with a whole region despite my health issues getting in the way, and haven't slowed down since.
While my plot document is big and long, I have made it clear for both dialogue, gameplay and visuals and sometimes I have to remember that I have to make it work for everything. Still, I find it comforting knowing that I am actually doing better than I thought as an aspiring indie dev 🥺. Thank you so much guys
I loved Meg's video about Growing Around and everyone should watch it.
I don't recall exactly how it came about but me and my friends formed a 'round table' where every two weeks (give or take thanks to the rona) would just gather round and share whatever creative endeavors we'd worked on and bounce off one another for constructive criticism and ideas and its helped me a lot because I too am on the spectrum and taking criticism is hard but they knew me well enough to ease into the topic and say it in a way that doesn't make me go into the fetal position and cry but is still enough to actually help.
Just talk to someone, preferably someone you know reasonably well cause even if they don't write or draw themselves just getting that feedback can make a world of difference like these two above have said.
Mr. Enter... now that’s a name I haven’t heard in a long, long time
all this talk about collaboration reminds me of when a friend of mine asked me to create a character for a story he was writing- he knew their whole arc and what role they were going to fill in the story, he just asked me to insert a character there. he ended up liking that character so much that he brought them back from the dead, haha
John decided not to put Growing Around on TV because the network TV system has taken part in some pretty disgusting practices (Nickelodeon, for example). And as someone wanting to make his own series, I have to agree with him.
i can say i have a few writing projects i am worker on when i can't think of what to do with one a put it to the side and work on another till i feel inspired to work on it again
I miss when I watched that video about Mr.Enters harassment and the internet all seemed to be on his side. Suddenly he seems hated again and I dont know why. Can someone give me a Lore update?
It's not so much that people hate him. We're just disappointed. He seems to be stuck in this negative mindset for at least the past year. He's hung up over his past projects that either didn't get off the ground or, blew up in his face. He's also taking any & all advice/criticism given to him & brushing the people who try help him off as "just haters."
His ties to right-leaning conspiracy theories and antivax and antimask tirades (both on DA and here) in the middle of at least one recent(ish) video irked a lot of people.
@@gingergoddess8953 BLASPHEMOUS!!!!! (not referred to opinions)
He’s been critiquing cartoons for like 10+ years but yet he’s learned almost nothing about how they work in that time and just actually kinda lies about how things are made
In addition to all the other replies, he’s said some genuinely deeply offensive things about SA survivors and generally was (and still is I think) heavy into the whole “anti-SJW” nonsense which makes him blind to a lot of interesting media and prone to really stupid shallow critiques on the basis of “ugh why show only have girls in it why feminism” or whatever
My biggest struggle is side projects growing into passion project size before I even start. I just want to practise but worry too much about not getting to tell those stories again later on, or not being good enough to tell it
My biggest take away from this is I want to see Meg Tuten on a World of Darkness game.
Any advice for getting organized? There's this fan project (a radio drama) that I've wanted to do for over a year now and I found the people I needed for it and have created a server to facilitate communications, but there isn't a lot of activity in the server and I don't always get a response when I ask if they have any feedback on the script so at present it's still just a script with nothing recorded for it, and differing time zones and schedules likely don't help. Any advice for getting better organized so that I can get stuff done?
I suppose the lines for the actors can always be recorded separately if you can't get them all together at once. Maybe bring in a new outsider specifically for proofing and feedback if the people on the server aren't willing or able to right now. Maybe even be prepared to pay for a beta reader that can give a professional level of feedback. Sorry to hear your project has been quiet but I do wish some luck with it getting off the ground.
Full disclosure: working in a team can be pretty tricky, especially nowadays. A project of mine has been in production hell for five years because I decided to find a creative partner to ease off the workload (burntout college student).
I wonder if Mr. Enter saw this.
The "if they shot down my joke I would mute my mic and leave to cry and wallow in hatred" thing is so relatable it hurts. RSD sucks! It's genuinely... god. It means a lot to know I'm not the only person who's struggled with this--not just the crying and self-hate, but, like, the *anger.* I hate the anger. I don't talk about it because it makes me feel like an awful person. It makes me feel like things I don't even want to say in text.
Thank you for talking about it openly. It means a lot to know it's not just me and that trying to get better about it isn't a fruitless exercise.
Yes! RSD needs so much more awareness. Until I knew what it was, I couldn't deal with it.
Update: I have since realized I may also just have BPD.
Noted.
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I feel like the answer is so clear. Enter should just keep writing Growing Around books. Maybe even do picture books. He's never gonna make it a TV show so he might as well focus on something he can produce,books. Even if they aren't good it's better than nothing.
He is working on more books.
So how do I actually listen to Less is Morgue?
I listen to it on Spotify
It can also be found on our website!
How is it possible that Meg, who sounds and acts like Riley, plays Evelyn?
It's called acting, sweaty. :)
@@ASCZPictures I don't sweat, thank you very much :P
I like Mr. Enter, but this project is really all-consuming for him. He is so wrapped up in it that he can't tell it's an idea that probably won't work.
I feel like the show would work if the concept was distinctly “a school run by kids to help adults with creativity”. Don’t make it an alternate world, just give the kids a level of authority that could, in theory, be beneficial to adults in some way. And then some of the ideas for episodes could be scenarios done at the school. 🤷♂️
See, you just described a show I would probably wanna look into.
That sounds super sweet and lovable! I would totally watch that.
But it makes no sense either.
How are kids more creative then adults?
99% of creative works are made by adults.
@@danielsurvivor1372 Kids have more active imaginations than adults. Adults are put in charge of stories because of their life experience.
Shrinking the concept further to a singular class with a curriculum negotiated by the kids and adults could magnify development of the children’s autonomy within an educational space and their relationship with the adults, while running parallel to the development of the creative process for both demographics.
'Bojack Horseman for kids'
I can't wait for the season finale where Sally gets so depressed and fed up with her life as a child, she pedals faster on her bike and lets go of the handlebars, ready to accept the inevitable crash.
And then she only stops when she notices some other kids running across a desert.
@@BluddMaridiaThey're a bunch of orphans who don't have parents to be responsible for and she debates joining them
No, no, you see, what would actually happen is that Sally becomes this world’s version of Hitler, after she becomes so fed up with her mother never having that sense of childlike wonder. Which is why Mr Enter wanted people to stop asking about that-it was going to become a major plot point.
Which would then lead to adults finally rebelling, taking over the world, and forcing kids to start living the lives they do in the real world (which, of course, will be portrayed as a complete and utter hell), and Sally will be forever remembered as the person who ruined everything because she tried to make things better instead of just ignoring her problems and waiting for them to go away.
The thing Enter doesn't seem to realize is when you have insanely high standards for what you want in other people's work, other people are gonna start holding you to that same standard. The whole "You can only criticize creators if you've already created things yourself" argument is indeed faulty, but if you're choosing to create things just to prove you can do better than all the people you've criticized, then people are gonna start anticipating you put your money where your mouth is. People like John K and Doug Walker have torn apart other people's work for years, and yet the things they consider flaws in other people's work are very much present in their own stuff. Enter has basically the same problem, as almost everything he insists makes cartoons awful is in Growing Around.
@@mattmahoney4601 i saw a clip of Doug Walker streaming Kingdom Hearts 3 and responding to OneyNG's jokes about him and he really took it well, like, the old "if you can't laugh at yourself too, what are you even doing"
allegedly he enjoyed Kingdom Hearts too, so that's... neat
Who is John K?
@C. Tang john k is the creator of ren and stumpy, and crown funded cans with labels. For the amount of money he received, alot of people, including Mr enter, feel it was a scam
@@fatcat22able john kricfaluci, the creator of ren and stimpy
he had a great one there, but much of his other work has been...subpar, to say the least.
also, he sucks as a human being REALLY HARD!
1:35
“Mr Enter is me in a darker timeline”
that’s one of the most creative ways i’ve heard someone describe Mr Enter lol
“Who are you?”
“I’m you, but stronger.”
It's funny cause in some ways, he admits that. Like, in his lion king review, he acknowledged he's this incredibly cynical version of himself. A far cry from his childhood and even his teen years.
I definitely resonate with that. I never made videos but when I was like 19 or so, I was absolutely thinking about falling into that sort of hole.
Or son of gamespy
Your avatar reminds me of his though.
Legit, Growing Around is weirdly cool concept for a fucked up psychological thriller?
A weird Gakkougurashi x Lord of the Flies kinda "kids society due to something horrible happened to the adults and the kids are purposely self-deluding themselves to avoid trauma" narrative.
I wholly understand that Mr. Enter won't ever change the concept of Growing Around from "haha funny kids show" because that's what resonate with him, like, pop off hun. But dang I can only imagine.
@Al X. Andra aight this is new info for me. What do you mean he want to talk about serious topics in Growing Around?
I probably missed it but I thought he was only want to make a weird slice of life thing with some adult comedy in it?
@Al X. Andra To me he took the SU pill and has yet to purge it from his system.
@Al X. Andra Yeah that's news for me legit.
Tho, aight, to be fair, you can talk about those in a "kids show". If Pretty Cure and, in a way, Steven Universe teach writers anything it's that. You CAN discuss those topics in haha funny kids show. What matters is, after all, the execution not the topic itself, per se.
Tho SU's success doing that is debatable.
But goddamn Mr. Enter had too much on his plate already with the age / reverse intelligence thing if he really want to add even more on top of that it's going to be, as the kids say, an absolute bruh moment.
@Al X. Andra Yea that I understand already. It's definitely gonna be jank as fuck.
Granted, idk about Mr. Enter's own ability to discuss those topics with nuance and respect considering, uhh..stuff he said, but yeah if he want to put those topic IN Growing Around, seriously, that's gonna be a bruh moment and, honestly? Now knowing Mr. Enter gonna attempt such a thing make me hella curious how janky it's gonna all be lmao.
Michael Grant's Gone series is basically that premise.
Enter seems to be making the mistake that I and a lot of new creators make with their first project - trying to make it into everything to the point that it becomes nothing. He can't decide if he wants it to be silly and lighthearted or deep and serious.
If he wants it to be deep and serious, then he HAS to address the fucked up and horrifying implications of his world.
I’m sorry, he just does.
Why not make it a dark comedy? Works out for my books.
i believe it is indeed possible to be both those things. Look at stuff like Adventure Time, Futurama or Gravity Falls. But the thing is, you need to know what you're doing if you want to be both those things simultaneously. You need to know when it's okay to be goofy and when to take things seriously.
But Undertale managed to do that well; you got a couple skeletons obsessed with puns and puzzles in the same story as family hardships.
@@WillieManga ohh yeah like it's a good example but it's worth noting that those different things in undertale were sectioned between different characters and moments in the game- like the wacky puzzle skeleton brothers sections weren't both things at the same time, like 'you know. my dead feather used to do puzzles with me, human... when i do puzzles it reminds me of him... [bursts into tears]... anyway i hope you're having a skele-TON of fun ayy' or something hahah
"If you don't let me be unhappy, that's ableism." I swear to fucking god that's become 80% of the internet of this point. Every time I see someone I respect make a good faith effort to weigh in on topics relating to mental wellness, there's always someone to be like "but what if I want to be miserable? Bet you didn't think of that."
Their first mistake was doing ANYTHING in good faith on the internet.
"But what if I want to be miserable?" Sir that is the depression talking. Stop letting it lead your life.
Me whenever my mom tries to make me do literally anything
Anyone who says things like that just doesn’t wanna put the effort into change. I’m bipolar and even in my darkest periods of depression I still had something in me, as little as it was, that wanted to get better and lead myself out of the darkness. Nobody wants to be depressed or feel bad, nobody. They’re just bullshitting themselves and attempting to cope with the fact that they feel powerless or they just don’t wanna try. It all starts with you, depression isn’t weakness, it’s sickness. Anyone can find their way out if they just try a little bit each day. It’s difficult but a sick life is difficult too
I'll say that people can get the impression you're diminishing their issues and being condescending if they're deep into their depression. It might help if you repackage your advice...nothing is guaranteed to fix all of your issues, but you can build yourself a path towards recovery.
Hearing Meg talk about the “storm off and cry in the corner” response as something they had to work on and did manage to grow from is so validating 😭
3:07
“Mr Enter loves to describe Growing Around as ‘Bojack Horseman for kids’”
LMAO. PLEASE TELL ME THAT’S NOT REAL.
that idea is so wild and stupid that lowkey really want it to exist lol
Rest assured, so do we. That's why it's such an utter travesty that Mr. Enter won't make it.
@@WeRNotAlive Mr. Enter compared it ro Bojack because he cites Bojack as an example of a show with an absurd, unrealistic premise (i.e. talking horse or sponge) to argue that saying his show's premise is bad because it is unrealistic is a weak argument.
@@jstevinik3261 except Bojack Horseman actually delves into the darker implications of its premise (that episode about the chicken that escaped from the chicken farm for example) wereas Mr.Enter seems to refuse to recgonize any dark implications in the world of Growing Around.
@@Rainbowthewindsage Mr. Enter in his Indigogo stated that there would be serious subject matter in the series.
BoJack Horseman for kids? Isn't that basically Arthur lol.
Does anyone remember that one K.N.D episode where the adult and kid roles were reversed and it was literally depicted as a dystopia?
To be fair, the regular K.N.D universe is a dystopia that the K.N.D are actively fighting
every timeline shown in K.N.D is a dystopia
Growing Around is KND without the fun parts.
I think Enter's biggest problem is he watches a lot of cartoons and read some behind the scenes shit on Wikipedia and now thinks he knows the ins and outs of the Animation industry. Meanwhile, make sure to mention the words "Pitch Bible" to him and you'll confuse the ever loving fuck out of him, I can't think of a single creator who hasn't created a pitch bible to properly show the potential producers what the show will be all about.....Mr Enter thinks that's not needed at all, just look at his Deviantart and you'll know everything you need to know about Growing Around......Which isn't a good idea because as you mention in only the first few seconds of this, Mr Enter hasn't done a good job describing what this show really is.
Don't even get me started on his rant about "Pilots" claiming them to misrepresent the final product and are all around not needed in the industry..................Suddenly you realize the fact that he can't even wrap his mind around two of the most basic first steps in creating a show is probably the main factor in him not getting Growing Around off the ground.
BLASPHEMOUS!!!!! (not referred to opinions)
(add a point please)
Why work with producers?
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 I hate to be blunt but it’s quite literally in the name. They produce things. You need producers to help give a project notoriety as well as to shape a rough idea/ concept into a realistic tangible thing that can be made. I’ll be honest, there’s a lot of aspects of the animation industry that either flat out suck or limit creativity but you have to go through with it. At the end of the day it’s a balancing act between creativity and business, Enter for whatever reason can’t seem to comprehend the business aspect (or the creative in a lot of areas somehow)
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 shows are a balancing act between being creative and being profitable it's a major reason shows do pilots to allow producers and directors to see what the somewhat final project would look like so they can make decisions on what to change.
I don't know what Mr. Enter is going through but he is not handling it well. He just comes across as such an unhappy man who's pursuing ideas that are not helping himself or others. Even though he's said some pretty awful stuff I can't bring myself to hate him or do anything but pity him and hope he gets out of the head space he's in at least for his own sake.
Isolating yourself and the frustración of your passion project going nowhere will drive anyone mad.
@Al X. Andra same, he seems a decent person at his core, but lacks the skills to take care of himself emotionally.
I hear he's doing good mentally now
I can't even blame him for not taking criticism well. After being called a pedo, constant ridicule by a good sum of the cartoon community, ez peez and whoever that 2014 commentator was, on top of a cyberstalker. Most of us wouldn't be able to take criticism after that, and I think we need to take more consideration into people's situations before we obtain the moral high ground.
Yeah. I think most people called him a "hack" due to his questionable and cynical behavior. His fatal flaw is that he always taking things too seriously to the point where he could've attacked others. If I remember correctly, I heard that he once attacked the writers of Spongebob Squarepants for being come across as incompetent and lazy. While I can understand why Spongebob went downhill at that time (since around Season 6 - 8), I don't think this is a good idea to call them out in a harsh manner. He could get into trouble somehow if he is gone too far but that's just a long time ago so he just moved on.
His content, however, did improved nowadays but the only thing he needs to improve is himself.
As a writer with aspburgers, I can say I understand mr enter and his view on things but for the sake of his passion he should be more flexible. I love working with others it helps my creative process I hope mr enter figures this out .
This aged so well considering he's trending for his 9/11 Turning Red hot take on twitter.
Mans can't take criticism and is unhinged.
My problems with him came down to two things: his astonishing ability to miss the point, and his refusal or inability to do his research. For specific examples, "What was the point of having the Powerpuff Girls sunburn?" and referring to Mighty Orbots as "a knock-off of Go-Bots, which were in turn a knockoff of Transformers."
The point was to explore how the girls cope with their first experience of ongoing pain, and the second is flatly wrong. Go-Bots preceded Transformers, and Orbots bore no meaningful resemblance to either.
Yeah, that has started being a problem with his Nick-o-Rama videos (though I sure it was present in some of his past reviews). Like not even watching more than 2 episodes of The X's (an obscure Nick show about a spy family) because "he couldn't find any more episodes." He literally couldn't be bothered to try and look for the other episodes which aren't that hard to find.
Or when he called both Mighty B and Robotboy flash animation (a quick search in the wiki proves him wrong). Or the entirety of Rise of the TMNT (he didn't even pay attention to the first episode because he calls the weapons the 3 turtles use besides Donnie futuristic despite the episode literally saying they weren't mystical or not calling them ninja weapons when they are).
The sunburn episode was still a... Slowburn to watch, not all that interesting or funny
I feel like the concept of growing around on paper is decent for like one episode of Fairly Odd Parents or something like that, or even a weird Dystopian short story. It’s a fine premise, I just don’t think it’s strong enough for a full show. It reminds me of like shrinking or body swapping where it’s good for story you can get through in one sitting.
Imo, it wasn't even the short short with the most potential. "Too Many Robots" was cliche, but it had the bones of a good series. "My Dad's a Yeti" was poorly written and didn't have identifiable characters, but it could have potential with a lot of tweaking. I can't think of any of the others off the top of my head, but there were certainly better concepts in there.
I’m pretty certain there was one episode of Fairly OddParents with that premise.
Edit: it wasn’t a full episode, it was the second act of the “School’s Out” musical from season 4
It'd be good for something in the vein of The Twilight Zone.
Yeah, pretty sure downsizing flopped as a movie as well
An acquaintance who read the published GA novel said "I feel like Timmy Turner is learning a valuable 11-minute-life-lesson offpage"
As a writer and an artist... kinda, I think a slightly less bad version of "Telling a writer to write less is like..." would end "telling an artist to simplify a character." It's kinda frustrating to be told and many beginners will buck at it but sometimes it has to be done to make a better product. Both to save yourself time in the future (like for instance, a character for a comic or animation) but also a lot of the time it makes for a better design.
Yup! I had to learn it the hard way. You can end up being so concerned about complexity and it “not just being flat” that you overlook the clarity of the design.
I think it's because people see soo many complex characters drawn in comics, art pieces, movies, videogames, etc. That they think that making more complicated characters are the norm, not knowing that all of these designs are a combined effort of a sketch artist, a lineartist and a colorist to put all of that together or that piece is supposed to be a one-off thing. Heck, they should see One Piece to see simple characters, except Usopp
Even JoJo, believe it or not, has simple designed characters, but everyone thinks they look very detailed, nah fam, you're just looking at that tiny bit of detail in their clothing instead of the whole getup.
Animation is telling YOURSELF to simplify the character. lol
I actually don’t adhere to the whole ‘kill your darlings’ idea anymore. It’s important to not be too precious or obsessive about things, sometimes things are really holding you back, but sometimes something is precious because, whether you consciously realize it or not, it’s important to making it *yours*. A lot of creative writing advice out there is extremely market-oriented, very focused on getting out a slick product, almost possessed of an assembly line nature. But I don’t think even close to all of the noteworthy writers out there really think this way.
Identity doesn’t come from the central thrust of given works or ideas, but from their differences from one another. What to one author might seem frivolous could be the entire goal and driving force for another. Sometimes obsession is reasonable, other times it isn’t. I think the key is figuring out which obsession you’re having.
I honestly prefer the "trunk your darlings" mentality. If you're having trouble with something or something doesn't fit, preserve them and figure out how to fix it/use them in something else at a later date.
Yeah it's also basically saying someone should work in a corporate setting which SHOULD NOT be advice any left of center person should be giving. Also the whole "kill your dreams" idea
I liked this video automatically because I have wanted somebody to dissect Mr.Enter without just calling him names. Thank you Diregentleman, your classy reputation preceeds you.
The Just Stop video on him is a really good one too if you want some more constructive enter criticism
@@corncake4677 Yeah. I saw that too. It's not just that Just Stop dissecting Mr. Enter's past controversies, it also become an editing tutorial too.
I really hope Enter does watch this. This video wasnt mean spirted. It was just factual.
I think the most useful nugget of info was
Dont spend time writing 160 episodes when the over all idea could very well be rejected. Also extra points for telling us what we should do, alot of videos forget to mention that.
Making a pilot for the idea is great advice and again i hope Enter and anyone struggling to write watches this.
Don't get your hopes too high though. As Mr Enter is known for not being able to take criticism.
Growing around x all or nothing x Ms officer and Mr truffles crossover when?
He’s screening the premiere at the next Dashcon
@@henrygalley2831 ah shit, shame I'll be at fyre fest
Except wasn’t All or nothing outright fraud? That’s different from an artist who genuinely believes in his art failing out of closed minded Hubris.
@@cireeeeeX from what I know, all or nothing lost its budget cause the crews family took most of it to pay bills and such. There does exist an all or nothing, it's like a short web series
Great to see that people are getting a lot out of this
hey
aren’t you the same person in the video? i really like your design for your pfp btw :)
@@agent_w. Pretty sure she made the pfps for everyone on the Dire Gentleman channel, which is why they have a consistent aesthetic (and why I'm infinitely jealous of them)
I have a question for you: does being off your medication help you as a creative? I ask as someone else with ADHD trying to entertain for a living
@@Djinsin This might be a really hard thing to ask of anyone because of how complicated mental health is. Your ADHD and someone else's ADHD might be very different, and likewise reactions to or ability to cope with either medications or disorders can have even more complex relationships.
I have an anxiety disorder as a partial consequence of head trauma. I ended up on lamotrigine (which worked fantastically until it ruined my liver). Now I'm on variety packs of benzodiazapenes at nonsensically low dosages. I didn't have typical reactions to any of those, and my prescription for my symptoms is kinda weird according to my doctors.
Here's the thing, though. If I'd tried just "stopping" my lamotrigine? I could have given myself a stroke. The meds I'm on now, because of their low dosage, are a lot friendlier to going on or off them as needed (which is nice).
DO NOT go off your meds on a whim to see if they improve your writing. You need to check with your doctor before you try something like that.
As far as "is it better on or off the meds" question? *STABILITY* is the most important virtue you can cultivate for creative/personal projects. It's also the hardest one to do because it's the most boring. If you're on your meds, stay on them and set up a consistent work routine. If you're having problems with them, talk to your doctor about going off of them or switching prescriptions.
I think a lot of what you guys said realy encapsulates the problem with Mr Enter and his entire work beyond his own original concepts.
You're both neurodivergent but you have also grown as people, you are self-aware enough to know your own shortcomings and then work around them in order to do your own thing and become better in the process.
Enter by contrast... Hate to say it, but he snowflakes a lot, the whole "I don't do studios or marketing" mentality for instance is a guaranteed one-way ticket to tank your project before it even exists, same goes for the whole writing everything and THEN presenting it, concept art, one shots and pilots exist for a reason, but he sadly managed to delude himself into thinking he can just bypass the entire workload that actually goes into a passion project and pretend it already is a thing...
A little humble pie and accepting his own limitations would go a long way, that stubborness of his is gonna be his undoing.
I am an aspiring writer and a digital artist, and the one thing I learned that really liberated me is accepting my limits and also realize: no matter what happens or how old you get, you never stop learning, you are constantly growing and improving, provided you are willing to take that first step.
You have opened my eyes. I used to be a fan of John (calling him that because it's his real name) but after doing nothing but angry political rants and acting like Growing Around is a thing when it never even had a single episode finished, the final nails in the coffin for me was his Little Ellen review where he said that 2021 was a terrible year for animation, his Making Fiends review where he said that if you ever be an animator you'll live an absolutely miserable life and his Turning Red review when he said that it should have been about 9/11. And honestly even as someone on the autism spectrum who struggles with it I think his behavior is ridiculous and though he has pointed out the flaws of other's such as John K. or Butch Hartmann (who aren't getting off scot free here) but fails to recognise and work on his own flaws. I hate to say this but I no longer respect him and won't be until he gets his shit together and when it comes to Growing Around he quoted the Bible himself "The Lord detests lying lips, but revels in those who tell the truth".
@@thisp0ryg0nwillgiveyourdev65 Damn, I miss it when Mr. Enter just didn't understand jokes
I had to stop following him a long while back. He was exacerbating my depression, even though I'd liked some of his analysis and points. It's like... he had this idea of what asexuality is that made him believe that everyone not seeing life and love through a sex-repulsed ace lens was just WRONG, and invalid, and unrealistic, and writers should never use a different lens? (We are not all repulsed! Some are just...not driven? I mean, I can read a romance very easily without ruining my week? I'm very happy for allosexual people and characters to achieve their romantic goals in fiction, I don't feel sidelined or ignored by this? I don't experience "ace panic"?)
I given up on him when he was Covid downplayer and taking complaining about the sJwS.
"Some are just... not driven" -- I think the term you're looking for is sex indifferent.
Edit: @ the wrong person.
@@starmaker75 Oh dear. Very glad I left before that stage...
@@Rainbowthewindsage no worries, I found ya
As an aro ace myself, I'd love to see more representation in the media and I also totally believe that not everything needs or should have romance in it, but just like any well written relationship (whether they be friendship, familial, antagonistic or romantic) I can get into them as long as the characters involved are interesting and share interesting interactions. I don't feel repulsed by other people having sex. I try to be very sex positive for other people. I'm paraphrasing a quote from the anime, 'Bloom into you'.
"Some people like to play the game, but I'm very happy just sitting in the stands rooting for players."
I once heard a piece of writing advice for getting over the precious feeling people have over their ideas. Write 100 one page pitches for movies/shows/series/whatever. Come up with an idea, put in enough thought and work for it to fill a full page, then abandon it and move on yo the next. Helps writers really internalize how cheap ideas are, amongst other benefits.
the fact that he wrote over 100 episodes blows my mind like that's an insane amount of effort for a project that hasn't really gone anywhere. i'd understand if he just liked writing scripts and had no real expectation of bringing them to fruition but fuuuuck 100 episodes of a show takes an insane amount of money and time especially without the backing of a major company and the resources they can bring to market and monetize the show
Something tell a lot of those episode where first drafts
It reminds me of the fanfic writer DarkKingMykan, who has basically written 2 complete series, each over 100 episodes and a few specials. But since he refuses any sort of criticism or attempts at improving, it ends up being just a lot of disturbingly revealing rants rather than anything that could ever hope to be made.
What I find interesting about Enter's approach to Growing Around is that, in the past, he's told Seth MacFarlane to give up on writing comedies, yet has never once applied a similar approach to his absolutely cursed "show".
I mean he's also the same guy who called for Spongebob writers to be 'blacklisted' from the industry for writing a grossout episode, (which lead to the writers getting viciously harassed online) yet he's here glorifying parental abuse and playing it off as 'just'
THEY HIT THE PENTAGON GUS, THEY HIT THE FUCKING PENTAGON!
OMG TURN THE TV ON!
Lyle! Turn on the TV!
MR. ENTER THE VOID
Honestly? I can somewhat understand the logic behind the whole "I don't wanna scrap something because then I've wasted that work". Yeah, it feels bad to do that - it feels bad to think you work on something and then just scrap it because you feel like it doesnt' work.
But that's part of the creative process.
Asking a writer to write something shorter is more like asking a background artist to draw a house vs a city or a character artist to draw a portrait over an entire character simple as that
I personally love Mr. Enter's content, but I do see that he has flaws he should work on. He gives insightful opinions o a lot of animations and it seems he's really passionate about the artform. He's one of the reasons I started developing an idea for a series I had for a while.
One of the big problems with Mr. Enter is that, in a lot of places, he just doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Based on comments he’s made quite recently, he doesn’t seem to understand how animation is actually done these days, his knowledge seems to stop at hand-drawn and cel animation.
In addition to this, he doesn’t really know anything meaningful about writing and storytelling. He’s one of those guys who I think it’s easy to mistake as knowing what he’s talking about cause he has conviction in his ideas, but those ideas just aren’t good. Growing Around is essentially the perfect example of why none of his philosophies work in practice.
honestly his review on a episode of sabrina the which really shows a good few of his flaws as a review he has many good aspiring reviews but then some he went in were it shows he almost immediately lost interest in the review but continued anyway but showed he didn't have the decently to even do a quick google search to get a quick understanding on the characters
@@henrygalley2831 It's so bizarre to me how Enter can be sometimes. Like in one moment he'll be shockingly mature and thoughtful compared to most other youtubers, like in his COPPA video. Then another moment a series of *bafflingly* stupid takes, like with all the COVID denialism.
I agree 100%. His reviews are fun, but some of his takes and stuff like that can be kinda dumb.
God damn, the Turning Red 9/11 guy has way more lore than I could ever have imagined
This is a good video but to come at it from another angle also: sometimes your passion project isn't something you can sell. I don't think there's anything wrong with writing a bunch of scripts for a show without it getting picked up first and refusing to edit any of them so long as you know it almost certainly won't ever become one. That doesn't seem to be the case with Mr. Enter from the context of this video but as someone who is a professional at like two creative skills but a passionate amateur at a hundred it's fine to let your darlings live and put your own ego above overall quality so long as what you intend to get out of the project is the act of creation alone and the usual other important outcomes of others seeing it and getting paid are much less of a consideration if at all.
I agree completely. Anyone can a hobby, can tell a story, etc. As long as your expectations are managed, that's okay.
That's true. And with the accessibility of posting comics, shorts, whatever online there's no reason not to just make a passion project in one's free time and do updates on Twitter, UA-cam, or other fitting platform.
"THEY HIT THE PENTAGON!"
“Don’t be precious with it!” This! This exactly, I personally was forced to not be precious with my passion project after having three arcs planned out (paragraphs and bullet point) and lost it all when my phone’s logics chip died in my phone. They couldn’t get it to boot nor would it allow me to back it up, so now I’m slowly rewriting and I’ve found that I’ve ended up scrapping so much of the points in the book that I used to adore.
I've had this idea for an original D&D campaign/novel idea for years now. I spent months furiously writing any thoughts that came to mind for it and two phones worth of fully written paragraphs of ideas.
Just a couple months ago, I scrapped almost all of it and started over again. It feels liberating to throw away work and start from scratch in a way.
He's basically the yanderedev of animation taking five years for a animated pilot that's has been in development hell for god knows and from a guy with no animation experience
YandereDev is an apt comparison...no matter how much they work on their projects, they're hardly any closer to making something tangible than when they started.
Except yanderedev deliberately just doesn’t work on his game so he can continue to have people give him money so he can buy sex dolls and nintendo switches
Is it wrong that the longer I look @ Meg's avatar, the more I fall in love with its design?
if you guys wanna feel better about your lost works- my dad lost every piece of art he ever made in a storage unit my uncle stopped paying for.
I'm so sorry to hear that
Wow. I'm really sorry about what happened to your dad's arts.
I'm not gonna lie, this sounds ligitmately heartbreaking.....