I can not understand how could you write that "is seems played with NO control and NO logical sense". Tony Williams is in TOTAL control of what he is doing, he is reacting and playing in a PURE musical sense, he is ONE with the drum kit. Astounding.
Rusty James I can understand why one would say it, in defense of Rusty James. It's ignorance. If you don't understand the language then it seems like trash. It's ok. This isn't for everyone. Tony is awesome, but he's not superhuman. He practiced his ass off! He also had to see a psychiatrist at one time because he felt he didn't make music that appealed to anyone. If you can't tell, I'm really inspired by this guy.
Maick95 it was certainly intriguing, that’s why I had to share it. I was hoping someone else had read it it otherwise. I welcome the discussions about drumming. I am an instructor and knowledge is power. I started a bit late in my career, but I’m a bit more seasoned now. I have realized that the music is more important than the players. That’s the best advice I can give to anyone. But it’s certainly fun to talk about them from time to time.
@@SuperheroJunior ..not.. only Art Blakey was ,,good,, but many other like,,: Roy Haynes , Art Taylor , Max Roach , Roy Brooks.... just to name-lists some ''good drummers''.,.- - x -
If your ears aren't open enough, you won't 'get' Tonys solo. These guys were playing on a super high level so many years ago. Beautiful. Next stop after this is david s. ware-ville.
How that lunatic can solo like that, leave such huge pauses and still know exactly where he is coming out of that solo on the 1 in such a high tempo, ill never know. One of the greatest jazz drummers of all time.
Does he actually come out on time? Or does the band know that that last little snare fill he does is the signal to jump back in. The bass player looks like he barely catches the cue. You can see him watching tony the whole time so that he knows when to meet him on the 1. It's probably not the same exact tempo
you are correct, that cue has been used extensively throughout the quintet in the 60s. Tony probably had a loose idea of the form in his head, surely. However I don't think relegating yourself to the form of a tune whilst playing at this level would be ideal for anyone. @@user-dc7um4pr3f
The look on Ron Carter's face @1:45 = PRICELESS! The kid...Tillmon Anthony Williams, is wearing these guys out. That mad tempo. Only Tony could play like this. Looks like whoever booked this gig couldn't afford to ship his Gretsch kit over. This clip is a rare look back in history. One of the greatest ensembles of all time.
roadrocket7 you are out of your mind if you truly believe that ron carter or any other top bassist) would be run over by tony Williams--or anybody else! you obviously have not listened to the work of dizzy, parker, max roach and others from the 40s and even before that. you're talking about the best of best. what I marvel at is tony's electric ride cymbal work behind miles and wayne. and miles always ended his solo on walkin' with the same phrase to signal tony's solo which tony then repeated at the end of his solo before wayne came in.
Tony Williams is a Picasso on the drums. But also pay attention to Herbie Hancock: he is really listening at the end of this clip. Amazing to see the details, nuances and secrets of the great masters...
Totally agree man. Too many comments on here by folks who may/ maybe(?) didn't quite grasp what Tony was doing. He was WAY over most drummer's heads even at this early stage of his career. He was groundbreaking in every way. His teacher/ mentor Alan Dawson was too. I had the utmost privilege of seeing Alan in concert in 1981, accompanying pianist James Williams, in Memphis. His drumming was simply mind-boggling. I could hear so much of what Tony absorbed. Notice at the end of Tony's solo, where the band joins back in, that Tony's left foot is not on his hi-hat pedal.
@@canalrandom7912 , look , a real drums solo..: start , then develop , then ends,.!!,. Yes , here the ,,drums solo,, of Tony Williams ..starts.. BUT , when Tony 'rises the arms + sticks.. seams ..NOT.. to know ''how'' develops the ..solo.. , seams ..NOT to know ''wath else to ..play.. on the drums-set.., and infact ..restarts the tune in a ..nervous - fast tempo.,!!,.- - x -
@@canalrandom7912 ..infact.. when WE jazz-fans see..: Max Roach ..drums solos ,,, Roy Haynes ..solo.. WE hear a real ,,drums solo with a ..sense,.!!,. The main points are ..focused.. on the 'stops-rise-arms' of Tony that seams ..not know wht else to play on the drums-set.,!!?!,..- - xx -
Rainy Sunday's in Brooklyn. McIntosh amp glowing, LP records and this music playing, nice cup of tea. such fond memories. 1980's. I can almost smell the house and the wood.
My favorite part or thing about Tony Williams drumming is how and when he plays music not at all when he solos... just the way he plays music in an ensemble. It amazes me.
It's been a while. I just watched this again. I have new thoughts. One thread discussed about how he seems to abandon the solo at the end. I agreed at first, and now I disagree. Tony is doing what he always does. Works through the themes and variation. When he's finished with where he's taking it, he just plays the little horn melody that Miles left off with. It's the same on other recordings.
That answers my question about how Ron Carter could be there right with him when he jumped back into the song. It was a cue that Carter was evidently used to hearing.
@@FawleyJude Was this not a Miles thing, I seem to remember somebody referencing this returning to what Miles played during their solos , as a point for the next player to pick up on or for the band to come back together . Miles band members reads like a who's who of Jazz Royalty. Miles found these guys inspired them and then they all went on to Great things of their own But Tony was something special and Miles knew that. Proberly his best drummer ever.
Fire Energy Incredible technique- just blazing swing tempo- Tony at his finest! I had the same drum teacher - Alan Dawson This solo is priceless to listen to & thematic
Thanks ''grazie'' dear Mr. Joey for this ''oppinions'' .. b ut I sincerily do not see and hear a ...real sense.. drums-solo has have to be done, played,.!!,. When Tony Williams, stops and rise the arms seam as ''HE'' does not ..what esle(next) to paly on the drums-set, and infact ..''HE''..stops the solo and back to the tune,..-
Everything that Miles ,and the musicians with him,played was cutting edge creative. Most modern mainstream jazz musicians all over the world are just following what others have created. Just the same as painters try to copy the classics,or writers the same.
@@growingmelancholy8374 ..,Surely to Mr. Miles Davis liked the 'drumming-style' of Tony Williams,.!!,. Infact there a lots - may ''drums - solo'' of high-level.., But my ''negative comment' is ..ONLY.. referred at .,THIS , SOLO , PLAYED , IN , THE , Vid-Clips,.!!,.I 've collected many , many Live sessions (*Bootlegs ,,dvd+cd) ..with Tony Williams bands-leader.,.!!,. I have had the occasion to meet , here in Roma Tony Willimas , asking him his ..'autogrph',.!!,.WWOOWWOOhhh,.-> fabiodrummy@gmail.com ,,-
So, a lot of chatter here about Tony's playing lacking control, playing free, petering out at the end, etc. Right, except it's bullshit. Anybody that says any of that simply doesn't grasp the concept of playing a solo over song form. This is an extremely melodic solo .... he is soloing it like a horn player.... he event pauses as a horn player would . Re: "he seems to just stop at the end...REALLY? Then how come every member of the band comes back in , in unison on the 1, precisely at the end of Tony's solo? It is because they were following Tony's "melody line". Watch it again, try to keep up.
AS you know dear Mr. '' t3wells '' the youTUBE posts and opinions are ..OPEN.. to any sort of comments inclused ''yours'' regarding the .*.melody played by Tony Williams.*.. Ciao fabio .,Roma ..-
I love tony’s playing here, and totally agree with you that it is very melodic! However, I believe this solo is actually open and not on the form per se, the band comes in correctly after tony’s solo because of the final phrase he plays which he seemed to use as a gimmic on many live recordings to show the band that his solo was done. He ends his open solo on Walkin’ from Four & more the same way :) With that said, I totally agree with everything else you said!
@@jacoblindberg9268 That's what I think people are missing. Great bands aren't glued to a tempo or a note on a page. They're just in time together. That's all that matters. Doesn't matter if the old tempo was lost during the solo, that last little lick like you said signifies him coming back in. It's a pick up to ensure everyone comes back in on 1.
for me, the most mind-bending TW solo was the one he played on 'Walkin' in 1963 at Antibes, France. it was also one of the longest solos he recorded with Miles. it was like if Salvator Dali was a drummer!
Thanks ''grazie'' dear Jerry Attric for your comment.. YES, I have the Recod-vinyle of Miles Davis,5t w.George Coleman,sax in Antibes,1963.. YES, Tony Williams played a ''good+better'' drums-solo..!!. Ciao fabio ..- , -
I love that solo too, but I think we can all agree the greatest version of "Walkin" will all be the "Four & More" version. That recording is legendary.
He's so audacious compelling and intriguing and so indervidual a voice in musical history he will always be a little controversial because he was very different and revolutionary. Absolutely love his playing. And he was about to get into double bass...can you imagine?
Many thanks dear Mr. Alison..!!, Yes, I do like this your post/comment because I am totally agree with ''you'',.!!. The drumming-style of Tony Williams has been in some way ..different and rivoluzionary.. Yes,!! this is ture,.!!..-- ,, -
.. Grazie,, dear Dino De Luca for this post/comment..!!(* Ti ringrazio per il tuo commento, sono d' accordo che nel tempo e negli anni il'drumming' di Tony Williams è andato via, via sempre di più migliorando.,!!.,Ciao fabio ,Roma..-
@@fabiobaglioni7617 grazie Fabio per questi momenti molto speciale di Tony et di Buddy Rich! (sorry about the writing I speak Italian better than I write!)
.,?!? non ho capito.,!!, ma vivi in Italia o dove.,??., ho visto il primo 'post' in perfetto Inglese.., ma il nome ''decisamente''!! Italianisssimissimooo.,!!hààhàhà.. Se mi scrivi per E-mail ,, fabiodrummy@gmail.com possiamo conversare meglio e ti invio le mie Vide-Clips della mia collezione,.!!,. -
Hààhàhàhàh…!!., più ..lontano.. non potevi andare.,!!,. Ho dei parenti , zii e cugini a Vancouver,. Conosco un' altra persona (* un musicista) che vive a Montreal che mi ha chiesto dei video-filmati di un trombettista di 'free+jazz' ,,Bill Dixon.. (Adam Saikaley).,Bene, quando vuoi sentiamoci per E-mail.,. Ciao fabio .,Roma..--
To the poster of the video claiming this was an out of control drum solo.... I’m a bass player. Get a metronome. He NAILED the one every time. Every 16th bar, PAAAP! Clap out the 16th notes. I did. I have to, as a bass player, know exactly when his solo is up. Did you see that bass player miss his drop? They are in sync like no other. Get that metronome, my guy.
Dear Mr. 'Machine' I am NOT a musician..!! so 'no knoledge' at all of ,notes, solfeggio, reading music .. and so on... I only have collected all Video concerts Live of..: Tony Williams.. where ''He'' plays real , great , good musical ''drums solos''...-
Dear Mr. Randy Doak.., the ..mistakes.. are when Tony Williams ..rises-up..the arms.,!!,. At those points that Tony Williams ..does not ..know.. what ' else.. to palys.., and furious ..back to the tune.,.!!- - x -
I watch this and marvel not only at how much talent Tony had at this time, but at how much he evolved only two years later when he formed Lifetime. His style changed significantly and it was an inspiration to me when I was getting into jazz drumming, even if I never could pick up on what he was doing enough to copy it.
Well, I sincerily agree with you when you say about the ..drumming-evolutions.. had by Tony few years later,.!!,. The 'drumming-style' of the ,,LifeTime,, was not so simle and easy to follow by the joung-drummers of 70's-generactions,.!!..: jazz-fusion ,jazz-rock...-
you are wrong. he is playing everything he is hearing. its completely melodic and conceptual from start to finish. its not a stream of hands playing rudiments, its not recycled jazz language. its completely original. total logical sense.
@@nicolaischmidt368 you would like to see someone play a solo who cant play a solo? you know how i play solos ? what are you saying over there big boi ?
@@nicolaischmidt368 which is that I like tony williams solo? what an odd way to respond to my liking and describing the strength of his solo. is this how you often reply to these types of comments?
Thanks ''Grazie'' dear ''Giovanni'' Joe Caroselli for this commnet/post.. That 'drums-solo' has been ,,analyzed+commented,, because it has been played in some ..strange-ways.. compeared with all tipical ''drums-solos'' played by ..millions of jazz-drummers..!!,. YES , YES , ''WE''*Tony 's-fans all know that Tony Williams ii his long ''LifeTime'' has played ''big+beautifull+great'' drums-solos.,!!,. Ciao fabio .,Roma ..- - , -
Hey Ryan Renteria. Thanks for that comment. Where did you hear about time no changes. I listen to the second quintet exclusively, but I don't read books on the subject, and I never heard of this before. I recognize it though. I really wanted to make a peaceful comment previously to take the conversation past Jazz this and Jazz that. Because you are correct. The other comments are true also. This music was experimental. I have read and heard during interviews with other members of the quintet that they felt a sense of e.s.p. Between one another. The label "spiritual music" reminds me of something Miles would use instead of "Jazz". I'm not exactly sure what Jazz is anyway. I think it might be a point in time during the history of this music. I would never call myself a Jazz anything.
YES , YES .. I do agree wity ''YOU'' dear Nicolai, that ..after.. this 'drums-solo' Tony Williams will be for ever a 'Great Master' of control.,!!,. Infact all , all , all the 'drums-solos' are the best, of the best ,!! solos..-
YES , YES ..!! dear Mr. Virgil.. ''WE''->Tony Williams-fans,, are totally ..AGREE,.!!about the beauty of all the 'drums-solos' played by Tony's,.!!,.,.-
I like how ur critic in the description. Just because he is one of the most famous drummers it does not mean u automatically have to like him or it. That is important i guess. Everyone should listen to yourself and take serious what the overall liking and taste REALLY is.
., Yes ., Yes., dear Mr. Boris Bilan .,all the World knows.. Miles Davis Quintet.. is the Best of the Best.,!!,. - -1-, --ua-cam.com/channels/5k8ywNsbyhIXCvIXV71hMQ.htmlvideos?disable_polymer=1-- ,,-
He was a young Tony there I think learning himself Was it a great solo I don’t think so but it’s all about innovation at that time He grew to be a big inspiration to me and many drummers He opened up different avenues on the drums Gotta respect
Dear 'Mr.,drummer., Joseph .., this is ''NOT a good drums solo'',.!!. Please, dear Mr.,drummer,. Joseph ..DO NOT.. confuse the ''great , great'' Tony Williams next to came in future ..WITH.. this one ,1967,.!!,. Infact, the next-to-come Tony 's..: He opened up differents avenues on the drums and drumming in this world,.-
It was a 'GREAT SOLO" 'if,' you understand 'MUSIC', JAZZ🎶🥁, and Creativity, rather than expecting a drum corp rudiment exhibition , "everybody" (Now) plays "Tonys' interpretation of rudiments and Sticking, Many don't admit it❗💯
..YES , YES.. dear Mr. Wilhelm... surely somethings went ''wrong'' after the drums-solo of Tony Williams.. Too much frenetic, and fast 'time beats' on the cymbals .. Thanks ''grazie'' for this 'post/comment',. Ciao fabio .,Roma..-
Your hilarious quip about what Ron Carter was prolly thinking is PERFECT. Ha! Fearlessness is what made Tony forge ahead and just do things that turned drumming upside down, along with his total sense of melody and phrasing.
I will say this, if there ever were a drummer that deserved "the good life", it would be Tony Williams.He earned his freedom years ago, even before Miles Davis.Who can say that they could automatically bring something to the table at such an early age?He died too young, that's my issue. All we can do now, is listen and learn...🤔👀👌😇be safe.
Thank you for the comment sir.Just so you know how I feel about Tony Williams, when my mind sets to the sound of him on drums, It's like looking at 50s footage of an atom bomb going off.An explosion of sound, by way of a flam to my gut.Grace and power incarnate.Thats all I have to say about that.🤔👀👌😇be safe
Thanks once-again dear Harvey G .,Look , I 've searched and ..collected many , many Live jazz sessions , jazz festivals ..WITH.. Tony Williams on 'drums'.,!!. So with his Quinted and with other - jazzmen in 'session-bands,.!!,. E-Mail , me , for my list collections,.- - x -
Can’t hear him playing any bass drum in this clip, I guess the beater fell off like it did often back in those days for powerful drummers like Tony or Elvin. Probably the reason why he takes a different kind of solo here, since he usually plays a lot of bass drum! One of the best drummers ever.
YES , dear Mr. Jacob , all could have happened, inclused the falling-drums-'beater'..(?!.. YES , YES .,we all know that Tony Williams in his ''early young-age'' could easily play beautiful melodic ,,drums solos,,!!,. Ciao fabio.,.--
@@canalrandom7912 , please ..Do , USE , or ..WRITE , wrong words.: ''You(me) hate that drums solo '',. I only have written a post comment ..whatching with care.. the 'ways' Tony Williams has ..PLAYED.. the solo.,!!,. Look, do this... 'stop' the clip when You see Tony 'rise' the arms ,, Then ..play.. the video , and ..once-again ,,stop,, the clip when the second time Tony stop play, and 'rise' the arms .. Then ..play.. the video on the restart ..tune,.!!,.- - x -
WWOOHHWWOO.,!!., Many Thanks dear Mr. Mikey , yes, I have ..never.. seen , the ''Hi - Hat'' ...sflashing and juming... may-be ..out control..!?)-Ciao , Fabio .,Roma., - - x -
God rescued me from rock n roll stupidity when I was invited to see this legend play in Hollywood Maybe 1978. Toured to promote album Joy of Flight Opended with Going Far . 30 drum rolls that night ....imagine 30 crossovers - in the opening song .
Dear Mr ,, Expert Witness , may-be someone may-have 'Taped - recorded ..that.. Live concert in ,,Hollywood.. Look, I search and find and collect many , many Live jazz concerts , jazz festivals of..: Tony Williams,. So , feel free to Mail me for trade and share more Informactions,. Ciao , fabio ..- - x -
I was caught up on this thread a year ago. It’s a cool improv. I like what he does. It’s so much like the old stuff. It’s like baby dodds or zutty Singleton... jungle Tom solo. Sing, sing, sing. Anyway, it’s cool how he arrives at that point. And it works. If you notice the flaws, you are missing the point of improv. Take what you can from this solo and integrate into your own playing. Take time off from blogging, and go play a jazz jam in your town!
Wow. This is a thread that keeps going! It’s been years now. At first the Trolls got a hold of it. Then it was nerds like me who were yakking on an on about how incredible Tony is. Now he’s more popular than ever I see. I’m not even talking solely about this thread, but other sources are showing that Tony has always been the shit! It’s funny. This is not even anything that’s super impressive like it was at first. UA-cam is an awesome thing y’all, and Trolling will ruin it. If anyone wants to see my little compilation of Tony’s solos, lemme know. I’d be happy to share. However, I wouldn’t be surprised if someone else has the same content or more now. It’s been a long while since I walked down the Tony path(on UA-cam)! Thanks 🙏
.,, Yes ,, Yes .. dear Mr. Don..!! , after ''this'' drums - solo .., the Great drummer..: Tony Williams ..has been.. for ''all the jazz drummers'' a ''Great Legend'',..!!,,.-
@@BillSpoke ., I mainly ..like to looking for ,, search., Live jazz sessions ,,dvd - cd., (Bootlegs) of Tony Williams.,. I have ''built'' a good Collections - catalogue of concerts,.!!,..- Well , I would like to send You by E-Mail this my ..page-Lists.,.- - x -
Thanks dear ''tdrum21' , I have only 'posted' this short-Clips of Tony Williams only to ..show.. this ..(strange)!? ..short-'drums-solo' (NOT) well played.. YES, surely that ''fast+frenitic'' bright tempo is much more ..better..
Dear Mr. Machine, thanks ,,Grazie,, for your posts and comments,!!,. Well, I am NOT a ,musician , but I mainly like and enjoy ''real'' drums solos played with 'sense'..!!,,.
TW drum solo fits the mood and the groove. Watch some later stuff Tony did. He could be as musical as needed and there are other solos. Me, it makes me feel like I'm back there the instant something big was happening. It was new and unique. That's enough for me.
Thanks dear Mr. MJ Ford , we all know that there are ..many , many , many 'great drums solos plyed by Tony Williams.. Look .., those great drums solo will come ..after.. this ''no good drums solo'',.!!,.- - x -
He was so much better than all the rest of em. I don't care how far back you look or into the future from this till now even AD Tony still kills all of the jazz guys . That includes big band band monsters like Rich and Krupa and Sonny Payne too
.., Thanks .,!! ,,Grazie,, dear Mr. Joneski.. for this Your post-comment., BUT .. this drums-solo seams played with no-ideas of 'how'' to play and developpe a ''real drums solo' normally played by..: Rich , Payne , Keupa ..and many others,..-
., Yes , Yes dear Aiden Fiori .., we all have seen the 'nervus - speet' time taken by Tony Williams .., and ,Yes ,Yes., bassst Ron Carter ..looked disapointed,.,!!,.- - x -
この音楽が一応JAZZとかFUSIONのカテゴリーに入っていることに驚く。 だいたいこの音楽は誰誰さんのJAZZに似ているよね？とかFUSIONに似ているよね、なんてこと全くないと思われる。 まあ、元ジャズトランペッターとかジャズ系プレイヤーが多いというところから決めているように思われるのですが、 NEW MUSICなんてダメでしょうか？
Well , the ,,TRIO,,..: Ron Carter ,cb ,Wayne Shorter ,sax + Tony Williams ..seams.. to play under a ''fast-speed' cymbal swing - beats,!!,. NO , NO.. a 'relaxed' fluid - music,.!!,.-
Look., dear Mr. Nick, I only have posted ..THIS.. Live jazz concert where jazz drummer..: Tony Williams has played a ''not so good drums-solo'',.!!. Infact, Tony Williams after the 'duo' Davis+Tony , starts to play the ,solo,.. but after few minutes later when Tony rises his arms for twice.. seams ,NOT, to know ..what-else.. to play., and in a nervuses ways back to the tune, playing in a fast speed manners,..- - ,, ,, -
Okay, dude. You do you. Meanwhile, Tony is one of the most influential drummers of all time, and he spear headed new directions in drumming, jazz music, rock music, and art rock. And this clip is badass, forward thinking, and unencumbered to any convention of what jazz was before. Tony ftw.
@@nicklangmusic Thanks ,,Grazie,, dear Mr. Nick for this reply.,!!. I am NOT American, so the word..: DUDE.,is out of my knoledge,. meaning,.!?,. I know that there are ..tens , tens and tens of great , great importants ''DRUMS - SOLOS'' playd by Tony ' s in ..HIS.. important and long..: Music+Drumming+Life,. I have searched and found ,tens and tens of RARES Videos of Live jazz-festivals, jazz-sessions ..WITH.. Tony Williams as 'bands-leader',.!!,. I will be pleased to send ''YOU'' to your E-Mail this Lists-Catalogues so to have an 'idea' of all I have found and collected,.!!,. Tony Williams ,Quintet has been here in Italy ,Roma, in a Jazz Club and in a 'pausa' I asked him the 'autogrpah' on the cover-boxes the vinyles-recording L.P.'s,.!!,..- - ,, ,, -
fabio baglioni thanks, but not necessary. I have plenty recordings of this quintet to digest already ;) And yeah, he’s definitely played solos that adhered to structures more, but this group was constantly going outside the forms/changes of the tunes they were doing. And I think Tony was playing with plenty of “control” throughout, as he had excellent technique by this point.
Grazie caro Alfredo per il tuo 'post+commento' ..,'' Ma io ti '' dico e ripeto che quel solo di batteria è fuori controllo, e senza senso,.!!,. Ciao fabio .,Roma ..-
Comparing Tony with Buddy Rich, I can see that this is a conceptual leap forward because Tony's creative mind is independent of his limbs. He seems to play an idea, then hear it with fresh ears and reinterpret it, on the fly. Maybe it's similar to abstract art. He's freeing himself of form but still aware of the canvas.
First dear Mr. James , I want to Wishes You a Very Happy Xmàs..),. Yes I sincerily like this your comment on the ..free ways.. Tony has played ..that open-mind drums solo,..!!,.-
I've been woodshedding pretty hard lately and the biggest discovery is that this music is about having ideas. I guess Miles must have thought, this kid has fresh ideas. Merry Christmas!
Well, dear 'gameboy' these are the tunes played..: Talks Intro ,Agitation ,Footprints ,I fall in love too easy ,Walkin '*drums solo ,On green dolphin street ,gingerbred boy ,The Theme,,-If you want, write me an E-Mail..: fabiodrummy@gmail ,,and I will give ''YOU'' over more Live jazz sessions of ,,Tony Williams,,..-
@@0is291 Dear 'gameboy' when you will Mail me , I shall send you all of my 'Collections' of Live jazz-sessions ,,dvd + cd's-audio Taped,, of..: Tony Williams,.!!., Ciao , fabio .,Roma .,-
@@fabiobaglioni7617 social media has a way of communicating through likes and in some apps through dislikes and comments. you are sharing something amazing with a negative comment. the tradition and maybe the humor on youtube is to keep that famous comment of asking who would dislike this awesome video. so i was answering that. dislikes i am sure are not towards Tony. actually your upload gets its likes mostly regarding TW. I have a personal allergy to negative comments on jazz performance and fatigue caused by explaining or discussing the beauty. the fairplay of bypassers is to move on instead of expressing dislike. and mathematically speaking negative + negative = positive. So i believe dislikes to your dislike were left with intention and they were negative to your comment and were positive to Tony''s play. I am not being a fanatic here. So I know that you refer to that solo only and not Tony in general. So i truthfully and wholeheartedly think that your statement referring to that solo has wrong diagnose. Because the 2 qualities you are judging is a- control and b- logic. i find plenty of both during this short video. If i had to make a topic in terms of logic, i would maybe say the opposite! if i had to criticize for the love of criticizing i would say he was using too much logic at that moment! talking about control ... virtuoso level of talent, who is literally famous of having absolute control, which goes for others including miles, here right at that time of the jazz timeline , were literally writing history. they are checking out what is beyond. control is at max to a level of staying in control while testing losing control . miss the beat ? control lost. well he doesn't. skip notes? that''s miles' school. as much he is known as Prince of Darkness he was a master of silence. to play what's not there to play the unknown and not to play the obvious. this has the most free effect on drummer. metronome is the obvious and the melody played on it creates a rhythm. both simultaneously exist in drummers beat keeping. but when he removes the beat keeping and leaves the melody alone and when this is done by the drummer himself it leaves a lot to the listener. also many players in high level, lack to include silence to their play. rest is equally important element in creating rhythm. so Tony salutes Miles's school demonstrating silent notes by not playing almost exaggeratedly in order to highlight. sometimes live performance helps the listener to connect. many of miles' 80s work or even the period following the years of this video is like that too. you drool when you see them in a silent way. when you only hear them sometimes it is harder to connect to the logic. live effect on listener''s connection here works the opposite way. what you see takes away the effect of whats happening in sound from concentration. he is showing how he does it! it is like seeing the moonwalk first time and it is magic that the floor slips under feet. but when one demonstrates the steps, the magic is gone so actually that moon effect is harder to see.. now you know how the rabbit is pulled out of the hat. this moment actually was exceptional since you normally almost never get to see the missing notes. In short, Tony demonstrates the logic of how he controls it so YOU don't get lost in magic. he is saying this is not magic this is logic. As a personal note on this: I specifically from this very moment stole this idea and applied it to my live performance on sax or flute demonstrating silent notes for a while by now. Regards.
@@thezenbum Dear ''TheZenBum'' I sincerily would like ..virtually.. 'shares your hands' for all you have written.,!!(It seams like a 'drums-book)!!,. I have had the occasion to see and meet .personally.. Tony Williams ,5t to play here in Roma.,!!,. I asked him the 'autographes' in all cover-box L.P's-recordings.,!!,. I have also searched and found tens and tens of Live Video jazz-sessions(*bootlegs) and Live 'audio-Taped' jazz-sessions,,!!,. In few words I have, own a great-collections of 'music+drumming' of Mr. Tony..!!. I would like to send you to your E-Mail this my ''Collections'' so to show my ''Love'' for the great-drumming of Tony Williams,.!!,. Repeats..: The Great-Drumming of Tony Williams,..!!,. Well, just E-Mail me..: fabiodrummy@gmail.com ,,and I hope to show the way ,,I ..LIKE.. Tony Williams + Drumming,,.. Ciao fabio ,Roma - Italy..-
Dear Mr. Watts, my ''negative-comment'' is ,,ONLY - ONLY,, referred at ,,THAT - TAHT,, drums-solo played in ,,TAHT - THAT,, Live concert ,1967,!!,. YES.. dear Mr. Watts, I do know that there are ,,millions - millions,, of 'Big + Great + Great' drums-solos played by Tony Williams in his ..musical-drummed.. Life.,!!,. Ciao fabio ,, fabiodrummy@gmail.com ,,-
@@HeathWatts Dear Mr. Watts, I hope you have seen my 'Vid-Clips' in your Facebook-page,!!,. The ,,no-control,, starts at Time 0,44'' when Tony 'stop' and rise up 'sticks + arms'.,!!,. From ''that-point' the drums solo seams ,,lost,, with no-control of the 'sticks+arms+ideas'.. As you will see, Tony ''back'' to the theme in a 'nervus' speed rushing tempo on the cymbal,.!!,.
@@fabiobaglioni7617 I see a pause at 44 seconds where Williams decides to try something different. He is improvising. When one improvises, not everything is perfect. However, when I listen to this solo without watching it, I hear no loss of control. If I analyzed Shorter's solo that follows Williams, it is likely that a few of his tone choices could be deemed "incorrect", based on his tone choices relative to the underlying harmony. However, like Williams' solo, Shorter's overall solo is excellent.
+Lorenz Müller Well said! Vinnie was very influenced by Tony's 1971 release Ego, which is one hell of a disc. Check it out. I recently bought Emergency! and it's not bad, too. Jazz drums have never sounded so LOUD.
Elvin, too. I'd say Elvin and Tony are probably the most influential of the last half-century. Plus modern dudes like Eric Harland, Marcus Gilmore, and Brian Blade have been making some very interesting breakthroughs in expanding the vocabulary of the drum set.
if you are talking about jazz and fusion Billy Cobham must be mentioned. And if talking drummers who played on the greatest music, Jim Gordon is right there, too. Prodigy who played on more great music than anyone.
It is a 'wrong+mistekes' ..NOT.. to adds another 'main+great' drummer as the most influential in the evolutions of the ''Modern-Drumming''..;..ROY HAYNES ,, ROY HAYNES ,, ROY HAYNES...- , -
True. I think he's playing Paiste cymbals too. I commented awhile back on this. I figure whoever booked Miles on this gig couldn't afford the cartage/ freight costs to ship Tony's regular Gretsch kit and his K's. Kinda chintzy considering Tony used the small Progressive Jazz model kit and only 2 K Zildjian cymbals and a pair of hi-hats at this point in time.
My dear Mr. 'Mitch'.., if you want to see me to play 'drums' , well, search my name here in UA-cam. There are three ,,home-Video-spots..: drumming ,,talks of my Records-L.P. Vinyles ''collections'' ,,show my Video-Jazz DVD's ,&, CD's-Taped collections,.!!,. Ciao , fabio ..Roma ,.-
.. Well , Well..!! now dear Mr . ''Sir The Third'' your post, oppinions are better and clear,.!!. Surely when ''WE'' are..: 16 ,17 ,18'years.. ''WE'' all looks ..young, gentle and pretty good looking,..!!. Yes, Tony Williams was ''around'' those ..years,,17 ,18 ..20's..years and looked ..soooo..Young,.!!,. Ciao fabio ..-
.. Yes , Yes dear Mr. XXXman , it is true., when you write..: '' I am not saying this is not a real drum solo'' ..but I do insist that..:'' This is NOT a real drums solo,. The future next coming ''drums solos'' palyed by Tony Williams ..have been the best of the of the best 'great drums solos..-
1967 would have made Tony Williams about 20 years old by my calculations. Tony Williams maintained a simplistic core to his playing which gave it a sense ,at least to me , of spontaneity and brilliance. A beautiful human being and a remarkable Talent.
.. YES , YES .. dear Miss.,Ana.. I like your comments, oppinions about the ''drums-solo'' of Tony Williams.. Yes the ''spontaneus,+,semplicity'' of his drumming can be right and correct,.!!,. Thanks ''grazie''!!., Ciao fabio .,Roma ..-
Yes , Yes , Yessss,.!!., you are right.., I sincerily have ,,never,, seen the 'broken' stick in his lfet-hand,.!!.. Thanks for this your post/comment,.. -- ,, ,, -
Dear Mr. Rosen .. the 'answer' is easy and simple..: You ..must..!! have to like, to love ,,ALL OF,, the 'drumming' of Tony Williams, played ..after.. this 'one',.!! that can be 'disliked'...-
..please give a search/looking in my youTUBE Jazz ''clips'' Collections. Please, e-mails me if you see concerts/sessions .. of your interest. Thanks, Ciao fabio .. .-x-> fabiodrummy@gmail.com ,, ua-cam.com/channels/5k8ywNsbyhIXCvIXV71hMQ.htmlvideos -
., Thanks dear Mrs-Lady(*??., Marie-Christine Salmona for your ..good oppinon.. of this drums-solo played by..: Tony Williams,.!!,. Grazie , Ciao , fabio,..-
Well .. this is a very , very , very ''good'' reply/comment,.!! regarding the ..oppinions.. of 'Master-Drummer' Alan Dawson..!!, known as the 'drums-teacher' of Tony Williams.. Ciao fabio ,Roma ..-- ,, -
Gabriel Joseph its jazz. It's in the moment, it's beyond all rights and wrongs of playing. It's like life- it is sporadic, always changing, and never what you expect. It's spiritual music.
Jonah Martinez I understand that it's jazz. I'm a jazz musician myself. Tony is amongst my top 3 favorite drummers. Feeling that he abandoned the solo doesn't make me feel his solo was "wrong", it's just a thought
actually, this quintet would regularly intentionally abandon the form of the tune they were playing, especially by 1967. that was kind of their MO. some people call it "time, no changes". it allowed them complete freedom to improvise and interact with each other. If you listen to a lot of the second miles quintet you'll hear them take massive liberties with the form. Tony almost never kept the form in his solos with this group, he was doing something more experimental.
Dear ''thisisforwallace'' , all 'drummers'' ..stops-pausa.. on thyer ''drums-solos, as we all know..!!. But in ''THIS'' specific ..solo.. played by Tony Williams, it seams that the ''stops/pausa'' are because Tony ..??seams not to know what else on to play to complete the *drums solo*.. Tony restarts to play the 'rhythm' all at once in a (too!!)fast nervous ways.. NO , NO , drummers do that.. Ciao fabio .,-
Yes , Yes.,!! all the next-coming ''drums solos'' played by..: Tony Williams are like ,,Drums School Lessons Teaching,, for all the drummers of this World,.!!,.
Bhèe.. per quanto ''questo''!! solo di batteria NON mi piace, non penso possa essere paragonato al 'film' ,,Whiplash,, che è un' AmmmèriKkànatàààà.. e basta,.!!,. Ciao fabio ,Roma..-
@@fabiobaglioni7617 sì era una presa in giro al film, proprio perché tony Williams suona ad un livello completamente diverso (migliore). Poi che un ragazzino del 2020 abbia come mito e aspirazione diventare Buddy rich e non decine di batteristi più moderni...beh è alquanto improbabile. Whiplash è in buona parte una americanata
@@gabrielegagliardi3956 ..Infatti il film di ''batteristico'' non aveva niente.,!!,. E' un film tra ,,Rambo,, ed i vari '' Sergenti di ferro '' da caserma ''marines-americani''.. Ma poi raggiungere il super - velocismo nel rullo 'uno-a-uno'.. a cosa serve.,?! se poi non sei Buddy Rich .,non suoni in un' ambito Americano .,se poi non ci sono i ,,soldoni,, per mantenere una big band,.!!.,se non hai i fans sparsi in giro per il mondo come li aveva Buddy 's.,!!,. E' come dici ,te, che in Italia ci si deve accontentare di una bravura professionale valida e ,,BASTA,,.!!,. Anche se si dovesse diventare..: Dave Weckell.. mi dici con ''chi'' kazzxo suoni se nessun pianista suona come Chick Corea.,!!.. Dennis Chambers se non esiste nessun John Mc Laughlin.,!!.. Jack De Johnette se non ci sono..: Miles Davis , o Jarrett,.!!,.-
@@fabiobaglioni7617 Ci sono alcune cose buone nel film, l'idea di superare i propri limiti attraverso il sacrificio, un buon montaggio, ottime interpretazioni . Purtroppo, come dici, il film passa l'idea di imparare solo attraverso la paura e la violenza, non c'è uno scambio costruttivo, non ci sono intermezzi ludici tra i musicisti. Imparare la batteria è attraversare un tunnel di una casa stregata. Peccato, perché senza queste americane sarebbe stato un film migliore.
@@gabrielegagliardi3956 Caro 'Gabry' se vuoi ci possiamo scrivere anche per E-Mail..: fabiodrummy@gmail.com )),. AmeriKanata-per-AmeriKanata poteva essere molto più interessante fare una ''biografia''!! di un batterista come venne fatto su..: Gene Krupa, o su Glenn Miller, Charlie Parker e qualche altro Jazzista.,!!,. Poteva essere valido ed importante fare la vita musicale, batteristica e politico-militante di un Max Roach,(*recitato/interpretato da un' attore.)..!!,. sarebbe stato un film ..MOLTO , MOLTO.. più solido e concreto relativo ai 'movimenti' sia pacifisti che di ''lotta'' del popolo-nero 'Americano',..!!,. Con la biografia di Roach si arriva alle ''Black-Panters'' , al Free-Jazz 'politicizzato'(*Archie Sepp , Mingus, Albert Ayler, Ornette Coleman, Sunny Murray.. ect ...-
Can someone explain this solo to me? I don't get it. He really seems to me that he just gives up at the end. No matter how many times i listen to it, that look on his face at the end really seems strange to me. I even listened to a lot of his first album, and beign a fan of the genre i really like it, of course. But i just don't get this solo. I'm not saying that it doesn't make sense, it's probably just me. But can you explain it to me what the hell is he trying to accomplish here exactly? I'm talking about technique here, no "he's expressing an idea...duh?" or "it's jazz...duh?" answers are accepted. Sorry.
WWWOWOOHH.,.!!!., thanks dear Mr. XXX'man' I sincerily agree with all your commente, and oppinions,.!!,. This is not a real ''drums solo'' as ''WE'' all jazz-fans are used to listen to..!!,.-
Well , dear Mr. Bill Shankland .. the so called ''Free - Jazz -Style'' was palyed by..: Cecil Taylor , Sunny Murray , Andrew Cyrille... The drumming style of..: Tony Williams is ..more close to Be-bop.,.!!: Roach , Blakey .,Roy Haynes,..-
There's NO Logical sense in MUSIC... Just in Mathematics and some stupid Pseudo-Psy-sciences... Music is, first of all, a FEEL!! :)) Peace. ps: Miles and many others will say the same today, please, guys!
Dear Mr. Unwriters, that 'drums-solo' played here ,1967, has..: No logical sense,.!!,. If we 'Jazz-Fans' consider the tens and tens of ''LOGICAL'' drums-solos played by..:Max Roach , Art Blakey , Roy Haynes and many Others..drummers, well, WE shall see, hear that this Tony Williams ,drums-solo, is ..out-of-control..!!,.-
I can not understand how could you write that "is seems played with NO control and NO logical sense". Tony Williams is in TOTAL control of what he is doing, he is reacting and playing in a PURE musical sense, he is ONE with the drum kit. Astounding.
Rusty James
I can understand why one would say it, in defense of Rusty James. It's ignorance. If you don't understand the language then it seems like trash. It's ok. This isn't for everyone. Tony is awesome, but he's not superhuman. He practiced his ass off! He also had to see a psychiatrist at one time because he felt he didn't make music that appealed to anyone. If you can't tell, I'm really inspired by this guy.
@@Jameskeith1972 Do you have a source on the psychiatrist thing?
Maick95 yeah sure. It’s been a while, but I’ll see if I can dig it up somewhere and send it to you. I’d like to read it again anyway.
@@Jameskeith1972 Don't mean to question you, it's that it sounds interesting!
Maick95 it was certainly intriguing, that’s why I had to share it. I was hoping someone else had read it it otherwise. I welcome the discussions about drumming. I am an instructor and knowledge is power. I started a bit late in my career, but I’m a bit more seasoned now. I have realized that the music is more important than the players. That’s the best advice I can give to anyone. But it’s certainly fun to talk about them from time to time.
Tony was 22 years old here and clearly demonstrates a superior level of musicianship. Rudimental knowledge, execution, HUGE EARS and TASTE!
.. Many Thanks ..!! Grazie Mille dear Mr. Contino for having ..added.. your post/comment.,.!!,.
@@fabiobaglioni7617 Art Blakely was also a good drummer too 🥁
@@SuperheroJunior ..not.. only Art Blakey was ,,good,, but many other like,,: Roy Haynes , Art Taylor , Max Roach , Roy Brooks.... just to name-lists some ''good drummers''.,.-
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If your ears aren't open enough, you won't 'get' Tonys solo. These guys were playing on a super high level so many years ago. Beautiful. Next stop after this is david s. ware-ville.
How that lunatic can solo like that, leave such huge pauses and still know exactly where he is coming out of that solo on the 1 in such a high tempo, ill never know. One of the greatest jazz drummers of all time.
It's about retaining the form/chord changes in your mind while you extemporize against it/them.
Does he actually come out on time? Or does the band know that that last little snare fill he does is the signal to jump back in. The bass player looks like he barely catches the cue. You can see him watching tony the whole time so that he knows when to meet him on the 1.
It's probably not the same exact tempo
you are correct, that cue has been used extensively throughout the quintet in the 60s. Tony probably had a loose idea of the form in his head, surely. However I don't think relegating yourself to the form of a tune whilst playing at this level would be ideal for anyone. @@user-dc7um4pr3f
one of the most beautiful and innovative drummers ever
YES , YES..!! I am agree with you ''NoOne'' that Tony Williams has been an important innovative drummer, but only after this ..drums solo..!?!.
The look on Ron Carter's face @1:45 = PRICELESS! The kid...Tillmon Anthony Williams, is wearing these guys out. That mad tempo. Only Tony could play like this. Looks like whoever booked this gig couldn't afford to ship his Gretsch kit over. This clip is a rare look back in history. One of the greatest ensembles of all time.
.. Thanks dear ''roadrochet7'' for this post/comment, but I 'll say once-again that I do not like this kind of ..drums-solo.. Ciao fabio - , -
roadrocket7 you are out of your mind if you truly believe that ron carter or any other top bassist) would be run over by tony Williams--or anybody else! you obviously have not listened to the work of dizzy, parker, max roach and others from the 40s and even before that. you're talking about the best of best. what I marvel at is tony's electric ride cymbal work behind miles and wayne. and miles always ended his solo on walkin' with the same phrase to signal tony's solo which tony then repeated at the end of his solo before wayne came in.
@@fabiobaglioni7617 you know who liked this solo? Miles. Wayne. Herbie. Ron.
.. I don 't know.,dear Mr. Paul, because no interviews was written on jazz-magazines about ''that'' drums-solo of Tony Williams,.!!.-
@@fabiobaglioni7617 you've read every interview in every magazine in every language over the last 50+ years? Amazing
Watching Tony play is like watching Picasso paint.
The paint Brush of Breath is Way greater than the pained Rush of Death. Miles smiles!
total control, very melodic, breathing, highly poetic
Yes.
I don't think Williams intended for it to be a dense musical statement rather, a pre-cursor to Shorter's solo.
Tony Williams is a Picasso on the drums. But also pay attention to Herbie Hancock: he is really listening at the end of this clip. Amazing to see the details, nuances and secrets of the great masters...
Tony! At 17 he was playing with the maturity of a 30 + year old. What a cat! And what an inspiration to many!
Totally agree man. Too many comments on here by folks who may/ maybe(?) didn't quite grasp what Tony was doing. He was WAY over most drummer's heads even at this early stage of his career. He was groundbreaking in every way. His teacher/ mentor Alan Dawson was too. I had the utmost privilege of seeing Alan in concert in 1981, accompanying pianist James Williams, in Memphis. His drumming was simply mind-boggling. I could hear so much of what Tony absorbed. Notice at the end of Tony's solo, where the band joins back in, that Tony's left foot is not on his hi-hat pedal.
GOD HAS ALL OF THE BEST DRUMMERS!
We are still trying to figure TW out!
RIP!!!
Thanks ,,Grazie,, dear Mr. Manuel for this post/comment.,. Ciao fabio .,-
The fact that it caused this much controversy makes the solo that much better.
Thanks dear Mr. Camden for this your comment.. To me , the reasons of so many ..controversy.. are because ''This is NOT a real drums-solo''..!!,.
@@fabiobaglioni7617 why is this not a real drum solo?
@@canalrandom7912 , look , a real drums solo..: start , then develop , then ends,.!!,. Yes , here the ,,drums solo,, of Tony Williams ..starts.. BUT , when Tony 'rises the arms + sticks.. seams ..NOT.. to know ''how'' develops the ..solo.. , seams ..NOT to know ''wath else to ..play.. on the drums-set.., and infact ..restarts the tune in a ..nervous - fast tempo.,!!,.-
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@@fabiobaglioni7617 a solo is simply the moment a musician can express himself with his instrument, that's what Tony did
@@canalrandom7912 ..infact.. when WE jazz-fans see..: Max Roach ..drums solos ,,, Roy Haynes ..solo.. WE hear a real ,,drums solo with a ..sense,.!!,. The main points are ..focused.. on the 'stops-rise-arms' of Tony that seams ..not know wht else to play on the drums-set.,!!?!,..-
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Swing, rhythm, dynamics, speed , fluidity,musicality.👍👍
Rainy Sunday's in Brooklyn. McIntosh amp glowing, LP records and this music playing, nice cup of tea. such fond memories. 1980's. I can almost smell the house and the wood.
..Grazie.. dear Mr. Shaw for this your ..poetic.. post-comment along with the drummying solo of… Tony Williams,.!!,,-
My favorite part or thing about Tony Williams drumming is how and when he plays music not at all when he solos... just the way he plays music in an ensemble. It amazes me.
It's been a while. I just watched this again. I have new thoughts.
One thread discussed about how he seems to abandon the solo at the end. I agreed at first, and now I disagree. Tony is doing what he always does. Works through the themes and variation. When he's finished with where he's taking it, he just plays the little horn melody that Miles left off with. It's the same on other recordings.
Oh wow you're right. That's spooky. The last like 4 or 5 notes he plays on the snare at the end of the solo are similar to what Miles finishes with.
That answers my question about how Ron Carter could be there right with him when he jumped back into the song. It was a cue that Carter was evidently used to hearing.
@@FawleyJude Was this not a Miles thing, I seem to remember somebody referencing this returning to what Miles played during their solos , as a point for the next player to pick up on or for the band to come back together . Miles band members reads like a who's who of Jazz Royalty. Miles found these guys inspired them and then they all went on to Great things of their own But Tony was something special and Miles knew that. Proberly his best drummer ever.
My favorite drummer.
Fire Energy Incredible technique- just blazing swing tempo- Tony at his finest! I had the same drum teacher - Alan Dawson This solo is priceless to listen to & thematic
Thanks ''grazie'' dear Mr. Joey for this ''oppinions'' .. b ut I sincerily do not see and hear a ...real sense.. drums-solo has have to be done, played,.!!,. When Tony Williams, stops and rise the arms seam as ''HE'' does not ..what esle(next) to paly on the drums-set, and infact ..''HE''..stops the solo and back to the tune,..-
Everything that Miles ,and the musicians with him,played was cutting edge creative. Most modern mainstream jazz musicians all over the world are just following what others have created. Just the same as painters try to copy the classics,or writers the same.
@@fabiobaglioni7617 Sadly, you don't know what you're talking about. I'll take Miles Davis' opinion over yours any day.
@@growingmelancholy8374 ..,Surely to Mr. Miles Davis liked the 'drumming-style' of Tony Williams,.!!,. Infact there a lots - may ''drums - solo'' of high-level.., But my ''negative comment' is ..ONLY.. referred at .,THIS , SOLO , PLAYED , IN , THE , Vid-Clips,.!!,.I 've collected many , many Live sessions (*Bootlegs ,,dvd+cd) ..with Tony Williams bands-leader.,.!!,. I have had the occasion to meet , here in Roma Tony Willimas , asking him his ..'autogrph',.!!,.WWOOWWOOhhh,.-> fabiodrummy@gmail.com ,,-
Has broken sticks and can still play at that speed... what a machine.
..Hààhàhàhà..,.!!., Yes , Yes ..dear Mr. Ken Rubio., !! You are right abut that 'broken-stick'.. Tony keeps on his ...fast-drumming..!!-
So, a lot of chatter here about Tony's playing lacking control, playing free, petering out at the end, etc. Right, except it's bullshit. Anybody that says any of that simply doesn't grasp the concept of playing a solo over song form. This is an extremely melodic solo .... he is soloing it like a horn player.... he event pauses as a horn player would . Re: "he seems to just stop at the end...REALLY? Then how come every member of the band comes back in , in unison on the 1, precisely at the end of Tony's solo? It is because they were following Tony's "melody line". Watch it again, try to keep up.
AS you know dear Mr. '' t3wells '' the youTUBE posts and opinions are ..OPEN.. to any sort of comments inclused ''yours'' regarding the .*.melody played by Tony Williams.*.. Ciao fabio .,Roma ..-
I love tony’s playing here, and totally agree with you that it is very melodic! However, I believe this solo is actually open and not on the form per se, the band comes in correctly after tony’s solo because of the final phrase he plays which he seemed to use as a gimmic on many live recordings to show the band that his solo was done. He ends his open solo on Walkin’ from Four & more the same way :) With that said, I totally agree with everything else you said!
RIGHT ON!!
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@@jacoblindberg9268 That's what I think people are missing. Great bands aren't glued to a tempo or a note on a page. They're just in time together. That's all that matters. Doesn't matter if the old tempo was lost during the solo, that last little lick like you said signifies him coming back in. It's a pick up to ensure everyone comes back in on 1.
for me, the most mind-bending TW solo was the one he played on 'Walkin' in 1963 at Antibes, France. it was also one of the longest solos he recorded with Miles. it was like if Salvator Dali was a drummer!
Thanks ''grazie'' dear Jerry Attric for your comment.. YES, I have the Recod-vinyle of Miles Davis,5t w.George Coleman,sax in Antibes,1963.. YES, Tony Williams played a ''good+better'' drums-solo..!!. Ciao fabio ..- , -
I love that solo too, but I think we can all agree the greatest version of "Walkin" will all be the "Four & More" version. That recording is legendary.
actually i think that live in antibes, france 63 is the highlight of that groups (with george coleman) playing. That version is just utterly amazing!
He's so audacious compelling and intriguing and so indervidual a voice in musical history he will always be a little controversial because he was very different and revolutionary. Absolutely love his playing. And he was about to get into double bass...can you imagine?
Many thanks dear Mr. Alison..!!, Yes, I do like this your post/comment because I am totally agree with ''you'',.!!. The drumming-style of Tony Williams has been in some way ..different and rivoluzionary.. Yes,!! this is ture,.!!..-- ,, -
Grateful for this masterful work in my lifetime.. I will miss it.
Thanks , dear Mr. Hugo for this your post - comment.,!!,.-
Already a legend at 20 years old....that right hand just kills! His style changed quite a bit later on but was still pushing the envelope
.. Grazie,, dear Dino De Luca for this post/comment..!!(* Ti ringrazio per il tuo commento, sono d' accordo che nel tempo e negli anni il'drumming' di Tony Williams è andato via, via sempre di più migliorando.,!!.,Ciao fabio ,Roma..-
@@fabiobaglioni7617 grazie Fabio per questi momenti molto speciale di Tony et di Buddy Rich! (sorry about the writing I speak Italian better than I write!)
.,?!? non ho capito.,!!, ma vivi in Italia o dove.,??., ho visto il primo 'post' in perfetto Inglese.., ma il nome ''decisamente''!! Italianisssimissimooo.,!!hààhàhà.. Se mi scrivi per E-mail ,, fabiodrummy@gmail.com possiamo conversare meglio e ti invio le mie Vide-Clips della mia collezione,.!!,. -
Ciao Fabio, vivo in Canada a Montreal!
Hààhàhàhàh…!!., più ..lontano.. non potevi andare.,!!,. Ho dei parenti , zii e cugini a Vancouver,. Conosco un' altra persona (* un musicista) che vive a Montreal che mi ha chiesto dei video-filmati di un trombettista di 'free+jazz' ,,Bill Dixon.. (Adam Saikaley).,Bene, quando vuoi sentiamoci per E-mail.,. Ciao fabio .,Roma..--
To the poster of the video claiming this was an out of control drum solo.... I’m a bass player. Get a metronome. He NAILED the one every time. Every 16th bar, PAAAP! Clap out the 16th notes. I did. I have to, as a bass player, know exactly when his solo is up. Did you see that bass player miss his drop?
They are in sync like no other.
Get that metronome, my guy.
Dear Mr. 'Machine' I am NOT a musician..!! so 'no knoledge' at all of ,notes, solfeggio, reading music .. and so on... I only have collected all Video concerts Live of..: Tony Williams.. where ''He'' plays real , great , good musical ''drums solos''...-
So great, you can clearly hear the time throughout, even when he leaves space.
Dear Mr. Randy Doak.., the ..mistakes.. are when Tony Williams ..rises-up..the arms.,!!,. At those points that Tony Williams ..does not ..know.. what ' else.. to palys.., and furious ..back to the tune.,.!!-
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I watch this and marvel not only at how much talent Tony had at this time, but at how much he evolved only two years later when he formed Lifetime. His style changed significantly and it was an inspiration to me when I was getting into jazz drumming, even if I never could pick up on what he was doing enough to copy it.
Well, I sincerily agree with you when you say about the ..drumming-evolutions.. had by Tony few years later,.!!,. The 'drumming-style' of the ,,LifeTime,, was not so simle and easy to follow by the joung-drummers of 70's-generactions,.!!..: jazz-fusion ,jazz-rock...-
That dude using the back of his stick on the ride. Damn what a guy
Nikolas B nah he definitely flipped it back if you look closely
you are wrong. he is playing everything he is hearing. its completely melodic and conceptual from start to finish. its not a stream of hands playing rudiments, its not recycled jazz language. its completely original. total logical sense.
audiosamples I would love to see you play a solo that is even 1/10 as good as this one. Oh wait, you can’t
@@nicolaischmidt368 you would like to see someone play a solo who cant play a solo? you know how i play solos ? what are you saying over there big boi ?
@@nicolaischmidt368 which is that I like tony williams solo? what an odd way to respond to my liking and describing the strength of his solo. is this how you often reply to these types of comments?
"you like this classic hero with 170k views? well then I know how you can play drums, and you suck by at least 1/10"
Corey Marc Fogel I had no problem with your comment, I totally agree with you
That is when music WAS music
Thanks dear ''Mike+Mike'' .,!!.,Ciao fabio..-
Tony Williams was a brilliant player. I do not think we should over analyze what he did here.
Thanks ''Grazie'' dear ''Giovanni'' Joe Caroselli for this commnet/post.. That 'drums-solo' has been ,,analyzed+commented,, because it has been played in some ..strange-ways.. compeared with all tipical ''drums-solos'' played by ..millions of jazz-drummers..!!,. YES , YES , ''WE''*Tony 's-fans all know that Tony Williams ii his long ''LifeTime'' has played ''big+beautifull+great'' drums-solos.,!!,. Ciao fabio .,Roma ..- - , -
Hey Ryan Renteria. Thanks for that comment. Where did you hear about time no changes. I listen to the second quintet exclusively, but I don't read books on the subject, and I never heard of this before. I recognize it though.
I really wanted to make a peaceful comment previously to take the conversation past Jazz this and Jazz that. Because you are correct. The other comments are true also. This music was experimental. I have read and heard during interviews with other members of the quintet that they felt a sense of e.s.p. Between one another. The label "spiritual music" reminds me of something Miles would use instead of "Jazz". I'm not exactly sure what Jazz is anyway. I think it might be a point in time during the history of this music. I would never call myself a Jazz anything.
He is the master of control
YES , YES .. I do agree wity ''YOU'' dear Nicolai, that ..after.. this 'drums-solo' Tony Williams will be for ever a 'Great Master' of control.,!!,. Infact all , all , all the 'drums-solos' are the best, of the best ,!! solos..-
Tony Williams was a #phenom on drums!
YES , TES ., this is real ..true,.!!. Infact ..AFTER.. this ''not a good drums solo''.., all the Others have been the best of the best…,-
YES , YES ..!! dear Mr. Virgil.. ''WE''->Tony Williams-fans,, are totally ..AGREE,.!!about the beauty of all the 'drums-solos' played by Tony's,.!!,.,.-
Sacred energy
Thanks dear Mr. Marc for this nice 'post-comment'.,!!,..-
Ya, Ja, God, smiles on Miles!
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I like how ur critic in the description. Just because he is one of the most famous drummers it does not mean u automatically have to like him or it. That is important i guess. Everyone should listen to yourself and take serious what the overall liking and taste REALLY is.
Wow..the best band ever..
., Yes ., Yes., dear Mr. Boris Bilan .,all the World knows.. Miles Davis Quintet.. is the Best of the Best.,!!,. - -1-, --ua-cam.com/channels/5k8ywNsbyhIXCvIXV71hMQ.htmlvideos?disable_polymer=1-- ,,-
He was a young Tony there I think learning himself Was it a great solo I don’t think so but it’s all about innovation at that time He grew to be a big inspiration to me and many drummers He opened up different avenues on the drums Gotta respect
Dear 'Mr.,drummer., Joseph .., this is ''NOT a good drums solo'',.!!. Please, dear Mr.,drummer,. Joseph ..DO NOT.. confuse the ''great , great'' Tony Williams next to came in future ..WITH.. this one ,1967,.!!,. Infact, the next-to-come Tony 's..: He opened up differents avenues on the drums and drumming in this world,.-
It was a 'GREAT SOLO" 'if,' you understand 'MUSIC', JAZZ🎶🥁, and Creativity, rather than expecting a drum corp rudiment exhibition , "everybody" (Now) plays "Tonys' interpretation of rudiments and Sticking, Many don't admit it❗💯
The beginning is fantastic!!!
ThanKs 'Grazie ' dear 'Drums' for this comment.. Please, hear this Trio !!.
Ciao fabio ,Italy ..-
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Tony Williams No Fear Beauty Ron Carters look on his face and then looking over to Tony ....U crazy man :-)
..YES , YES.. dear Mr. Wilhelm... surely somethings went ''wrong'' after the drums-solo of Tony Williams.. Too much frenetic, and fast 'time beats' on the cymbals .. Thanks ''grazie'' for this 'post/comment',. Ciao fabio .,Roma..-
Your hilarious quip about what Ron Carter was prolly thinking is PERFECT. Ha! Fearlessness is what made Tony forge ahead and just do things that turned drumming upside down, along with his total sense of melody and phrasing.
I will say this, if there ever were a drummer that deserved "the good life", it would be Tony Williams.He earned his freedom years ago, even before Miles Davis.Who can say that they could automatically bring something to the table at such an early age?He died too young, that's my issue. All we can do now, is listen and learn...🤔👀👌😇be safe.
Grazie ., Grazie ., Thanks ., Thanks dear Mr. Harvey G , for this ''great - deep' honest comment on Tony Williams,.!!. Bravo , Bravòòò.,.-
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Thank you for the comment sir.Just so you know how I feel about Tony Williams, when my mind sets to the sound of him on drums, It's like looking at 50s footage of an atom bomb going off.An explosion of sound, by way of a flam to my gut.Grace and power incarnate.Thats all I have to say about that.🤔👀👌😇be safe
Thanks once-again dear Harvey G .,Look , I 've searched and ..collected many , many Live jazz sessions , jazz festivals ..WITH.. Tony Williams on 'drums'.,!!. So with his Quinted and with other - jazzmen in 'session-bands,.!!,. E-Mail , me , for my list collections,.-
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Can’t hear him playing any bass drum in this clip, I guess the beater fell off like it did often back in those days for powerful drummers like Tony or Elvin. Probably the reason why he takes a different kind of solo here, since he usually plays a lot of bass drum!
One of the best drummers ever.
YES , dear Mr. Jacob , all could have happened, inclused the falling-drums-'beater'..(?!.. YES , YES .,we all know that Tony Williams in his ''early young-age'' could easily play beautiful melodic ,,drums solos,,!!,. Ciao fabio.,.--
INCRREDIBLE
.., Many Thanks dear Mr. Cameron , for this your..: increbible .. post - comment,...-
that RIDE😫
.,Yes ., Yes.. ''that'' ..RIDE.. seams too much played..: 'nervous' and fast ..!!,..-
Tony Williams - GIANT!!!
YES ., YESSS.., dear ,, eys wire open , only ..AFTER.. this poor drums solo , Tony Williams ..has been a 'Great GIANT.,.!!,.
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@@fabiobaglioni7617 why do you hate that solo so much?
@@canalrandom7912 , please ..Do , USE , or ..WRITE , wrong words.: ''You(me) hate that drums solo '',. I only have written a post comment ..whatching with care.. the 'ways' Tony Williams has ..PLAYED.. the solo.,!!,. Look, do this... 'stop' the clip when You see Tony 'rise' the arms ,, Then ..play.. the video , and ..once-again ,,stop,, the clip when the second time Tony stop play, and 'rise' the arms .. Then ..play.. the video on the restart ..tune,.!!,.-
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WOAH THE HI-HAT GOING CRAZY IT’S GOING HIGHER!
WWOOHHWWOO.,!!., Many Thanks dear Mr. Mikey , yes, I have ..never.. seen , the ''Hi - Hat'' ...sflashing and juming... may-be ..out control..!?)-Ciao , Fabio .,Roma., -
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God rescued me from rock n roll stupidity when I was invited to see this legend play in Hollywood Maybe 1978. Toured to promote album Joy of Flight Opended with Going Far . 30 drum rolls that night ....imagine 30 crossovers - in the opening song .
Dear Mr ,, Expert Witness , may-be someone may-have 'Taped - recorded ..that.. Live concert in ,,Hollywood.. Look, I search and find and collect many , many Live jazz concerts , jazz festivals of..: Tony Williams,. So , feel free to Mail me for trade and share more Informactions,. Ciao , fabio ..-
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@@fabiobaglioni7617 count them off the song recorded in studio Must be well over 20 .... ua-cam.com/video/7upcaiFe1Ug/v-deo.html
Tony was the best of all time
Thanks dear Mr. Boris Bilan .., after this drums solo , Tony Williams has been the BEST ., drummer .. of all time,.!!,.-
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Impressionante!!!
.. Bene.,.!! ... Grazie ., Grazie per questo ,tuo, commento,.!!,. Ciao , fabio ..Roma ,.-
I was caught up on this thread a year ago.
It’s a cool improv. I like what he does. It’s so much like the old stuff. It’s like baby dodds or zutty Singleton... jungle Tom solo. Sing, sing, sing.
Anyway, it’s cool how he arrives at that point. And it works. If you notice the flaws, you are missing the point of improv.
Take what you can from this solo and integrate into your own playing.
Take time off from blogging, and go play a jazz jam in your town!
Wow. This is a thread that keeps going! It’s been years now. At first the Trolls got a hold of it. Then it was nerds like me who were yakking on an on about how incredible Tony is. Now he’s more popular than ever I see. I’m not even talking solely about this thread, but other sources are showing that Tony has always been the shit!
It’s funny. This is not even anything that’s super impressive like it was at first.
UA-cam is an awesome thing y’all, and Trolling will ruin it. If anyone wants to see my little compilation of Tony’s solos, lemme know. I’d be happy to share. However, I wouldn’t be surprised if someone else has the same content or more now. It’s been a long while since I walked down the Tony path(on UA-cam)! Thanks 🙏
Legend 👑👍
.,, Yes ,, Yes .. dear Mr. Don..!! , after ''this'' drums - solo .., the Great drummer..: Tony Williams ..has been.. for ''all the jazz drummers'' a ''Great Legend'',..!!,,.-
This is great, I love this period in jazz. Tony’ s playing his ass off.
Many Thanks ,,Grazie Mille,, dear Mr. Bill Spoke , for this Your ..post - comment..!!,. Ciao , fabio .,Roma ,.-
@@fabiobaglioni7617 My pleasure
@@BillSpoke ., I mainly ..like to looking for ,, search., Live jazz sessions ,,dvd - cd., (Bootlegs) of Tony Williams.,. I have ''built'' a good Collections - catalogue of concerts,.!!,..- Well , I would like to send You by E-Mail this my ..page-Lists.,.-
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Am here after Rick Beato's interview of Steve Jordan.
Well , 'we' are all happy that you, Mr. TheMazzim, are here with all ' us '..-
Thanks for posting this. Very cool. What a tempo!
Thanks dear ''tdrum21' , I have only 'posted' this short-Clips of Tony Williams only
to ..show.. this ..(strange)!? ..short-'drums-solo' (NOT) well played.. YES, surely that
''fast+frenitic'' bright tempo is much more ..better..
22 weirdos that gave a thumbs down. Fix your hearts.
Thanks ,,Grazie,, dear Mr. Justin for this your comment, that , I sincerily ..do not understand..!!,,-
They must be prejudiced I seen this before with great drummers who play Premier 😂
Bass players arm are ON FIRE.
Dear Mr. Machine, thanks ,,Grazie,, for your posts and comments,!!,. Well, I am NOT a ,musician , but I mainly like and enjoy ''real'' drums solos played with 'sense'..!!,,.
Great!
Interesting to see him using Premier here.
.. YES , YES..!! The ''Premier'' Drums,.Co..UK.. is one of the best drums-set to be played,.!!. Ciao fabio ,.-
Was the best and these kits have more tone and volume. Woods sourced from all over the globe.@@fabiobaglioni7617
INTUITION
TW drum solo fits the mood and the groove. Watch some later stuff Tony did. He could be as musical as needed and there are other solos. Me, it makes me feel like I'm back there the instant something big was happening. It was new and unique. That's enough for me.
Thanks dear Mr. MJ Ford , we all know that there are ..many , many , many 'great drums solos plyed by Tony Williams.. Look .., those great drums solo will come ..after.. this ''no good drums solo'',.!!,.-
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He was so much better than all the rest of em. I don't care how far back you look or into the future from this till now even AD Tony still kills all of the jazz guys . That includes big band band monsters like Rich and Krupa and Sonny Payne too
.., Thanks .,!! ,,Grazie,, dear Mr. Joneski.. for this Your post-comment., BUT .. this drums-solo seams played with no-ideas of 'how'' to play and developpe a ''real drums solo' normally played by..: Rich , Payne , Keupa ..and many others,..-
not to mention mr carter killing it on bass
., Yes , Yes dear Aiden Fiori .., we all have seen the 'nervus - speet' time taken by Tony Williams .., and ,Yes ,Yes., bassst Ron Carter ..looked disapointed,.,!!,.-
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この音楽が一応JAZZとかFUSIONのカテゴリーに入っていることに驚く。
だいたいこの音楽は誰誰さんのJAZZに似ているよね？とかFUSIONに似ているよね、なんてこと全くないと思われる。
まあ、元ジャズトランペッターとかジャズ系プレイヤーが多いというところから決めているように思われるのですが、
NEW MUSICなんてダメでしょうか？
Tony and Ron during Wayne’s solo.!!!
Well , the ,,TRIO,,..: Ron Carter ,cb ,Wayne Shorter ,sax + Tony Williams ..seams.. to play under a ''fast-speed' cymbal swing - beats,!!,. NO , NO.. a 'relaxed' fluid - music,.!!,.-
If you’re trying to make a case for Tony playing terribly, you posted the wrong clip, because he’s absolutely playing fire here.
Look., dear Mr. Nick, I only have posted ..THIS.. Live jazz concert where jazz drummer..: Tony Williams has played a ''not so good drums-solo'',.!!. Infact, Tony Williams after the 'duo' Davis+Tony , starts to play the ,solo,.. but after few minutes later when Tony rises his arms for twice.. seams ,NOT, to know ..what-else.. to play., and in a nervuses ways back to the tune, playing in a fast speed manners,..-
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Okay, dude. You do you. Meanwhile, Tony is one of the most influential drummers of all time, and he spear headed new directions in drumming, jazz music, rock music, and art rock. And this clip is badass, forward thinking, and unencumbered to any convention of what jazz was before. Tony ftw.
@@nicklangmusic Thanks ,,Grazie,, dear Mr. Nick for this reply.,!!. I am NOT American, so the word..: DUDE.,is out of my knoledge,. meaning,.!?,. I know that there are ..tens , tens and tens of great , great importants ''DRUMS - SOLOS'' playd by Tony ' s in ..HIS.. important and long..: Music+Drumming+Life,. I have searched and found ,tens and tens of RARES Videos of Live jazz-festivals, jazz-sessions ..WITH.. Tony Williams as 'bands-leader',.!!,. I will be pleased to send ''YOU'' to your E-Mail this Lists-Catalogues so to have an 'idea' of all I have found and collected,.!!,. Tony Williams ,Quintet has been here in Italy ,Roma, in a Jazz Club and in a 'pausa' I asked him the 'autogrpah' on the cover-boxes the vinyles-recording L.P.'s,.!!,..-
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fabio baglioni thanks, but not necessary. I have plenty recordings of this quintet to digest already ;)
And yeah, he’s definitely played solos that adhered to structures more, but this group was constantly going outside the forms/changes of the tunes they were doing.
And I think Tony was playing with plenty of “control” throughout, as he had excellent technique by this point.
Grande Tony
Grazie caro Alfredo per il tuo 'post+commento' ..,'' Ma io ti '' dico e ripeto che quel solo di batteria è fuori controllo, e senza senso,.!!,. Ciao fabio .,Roma ..-
Comparing Tony with Buddy Rich, I can see that this is a conceptual leap forward because Tony's creative mind is independent of his limbs. He seems to play an idea, then hear it with fresh ears and reinterpret it, on the fly. Maybe it's similar to abstract art. He's freeing himself of form but still aware of the canvas.
First dear Mr. James , I want to Wishes You a Very Happy Xmàs..),. Yes I sincerily like this your comment on the ..free ways.. Tony has played ..that open-mind drums solo,..!!,.-
I've been woodshedding pretty hard lately and the biggest discovery is that this music is about having ideas. I guess Miles must have thought, this kid has fresh ideas. Merry Christmas!
Poliritim papa.......
Well, Grazie dear Mr. Yavuz for this your 'post comment'.. Ciao fabio,.-
Does anyone know the name of the song please tony is my favourite
And if possible the album
Well, dear 'gameboy' these are the tunes played..: Talks Intro ,Agitation ,Footprints ,I fall in love too easy ,Walkin '*drums solo ,On green dolphin street ,gingerbred boy ,The Theme,,-If you want, write me an E-Mail..: fabiodrummy@gmail ,,and I will give ''YOU'' over more Live jazz sessions of ,,Tony Williams,,..-
Thank u so much mate ill definetley check them out
@@0is291 Dear 'gameboy' when you will Mail me , I shall send you all of my 'Collections' of Live jazz-sessions ,,dvd + cd's-audio Taped,, of..: Tony Williams,.!!., Ciao , fabio .,Roma .,-
dislikes are not for tony.
Dear Mr ''TheZenBum'' at least my ..dislikes..are only referred at this drums-solo,.!!,.
@@fabiobaglioni7617 social media has a way of communicating through likes and in some apps through dislikes and comments. you are sharing something amazing with a negative comment. the tradition and maybe the humor on youtube is to keep that famous comment of asking who would dislike this awesome video. so i was answering that.
dislikes i am sure are not towards Tony. actually your upload gets its likes mostly regarding TW.
I have a personal allergy to negative comments on jazz performance and fatigue caused by explaining or discussing the beauty. the fairplay of bypassers is to move on instead of expressing dislike.
and mathematically speaking negative + negative = positive. So i believe dislikes to your dislike were left with intention and they were negative to your comment and were positive to Tony''s play.
I am not being a fanatic here. So I know that you refer to that solo only and not Tony in general. So i truthfully and wholeheartedly think that your statement referring to that solo has wrong diagnose. Because the 2 qualities you are judging is a- control and b- logic. i find plenty of both during this short video. If i had to make a topic in terms of logic, i would maybe say the opposite! if i had to criticize for the love of criticizing i would say he was using too much logic at that moment!
talking about control ... virtuoso level of talent, who is literally famous of having absolute control, which goes for others including miles, here right at that time of the jazz timeline , were literally writing history. they are checking out what is beyond. control is at max to a level of staying in control while testing losing control . miss the beat ? control lost. well he doesn't. skip notes? that''s miles' school. as much he is known as Prince of Darkness he was a master of silence. to play what's not there to play the unknown and not to play the obvious. this has the most free effect on drummer. metronome is the obvious and the melody played on it creates a rhythm. both simultaneously exist in drummers beat keeping. but when he removes the beat keeping and leaves the melody alone and when this is done by the drummer himself it leaves a lot to the listener. also many players in high level, lack to include silence to their play. rest is equally important element in creating rhythm. so Tony salutes Miles's school demonstrating silent notes by not playing almost exaggeratedly in order to highlight. sometimes live performance helps the listener to connect. many of miles' 80s work or even the period following the years of this video is like that too. you drool when you see them in a silent way. when you only hear them sometimes it is harder to connect to the logic. live effect on listener''s connection here works the opposite way. what you see takes away the effect of whats happening in sound from concentration. he is showing how he does it! it is like seeing the moonwalk first time and it is magic that the floor slips under feet. but when one demonstrates the steps, the magic is gone so actually that moon effect is harder to see.. now you know how the rabbit is pulled out of the hat. this moment actually was exceptional since you normally almost never get to see the missing notes. In short, Tony demonstrates the logic of how he controls it so YOU don't get lost in magic. he is saying this is not magic this is logic.
As a personal note on this: I specifically from this very moment stole this idea and applied it to my live performance on sax or flute demonstrating silent notes for a while by now.
Regards.
@@thezenbum Dear ''TheZenBum'' I sincerily would like ..virtually.. 'shares your hands' for all you have written.,!!(It seams like a 'drums-book)!!,. I have had the occasion to see and meet .personally.. Tony Williams ,5t to play here in Roma.,!!,. I asked him the 'autographes' in all cover-box L.P's-recordings.,!!,. I have also searched and found tens and tens of Live Video jazz-sessions(*bootlegs) and Live 'audio-Taped' jazz-sessions,,!!,. In few words I have, own a great-collections of 'music+drumming' of Mr. Tony..!!. I would like to send you to your E-Mail this my ''Collections'' so to show my ''Love'' for the great-drumming of Tony Williams,.!!,. Repeats..: The Great-Drumming of Tony Williams,..!!,. Well, just E-Mail me..: fabiodrummy@gmail.com ,,and I hope to show the way ,,I ..LIKE.. Tony Williams + Drumming,,.. Ciao fabio ,Roma - Italy..-
Miss Tony *
Eric Slingerland ,, '' WE '' all ..jazz-fans->Drummers have missed ..HIM .. Thanks 'grazie' dear Eric for your comment.. Ciao fabio ,Roma ..-
I do not understand why one would post of video of Miles 2nd great quintet and then claim that Tony Williams has no control.
Dear Mr. Watts, my ''negative-comment'' is ,,ONLY - ONLY,, referred at ,,THAT - TAHT,, drums-solo played in ,,TAHT - THAT,, Live concert ,1967,!!,. YES.. dear Mr. Watts, I do know that there are ,,millions - millions,, of 'Big + Great + Great' drums-solos played by Tony Williams in his ..musical-drummed.. Life.,!!,. Ciao fabio ,, fabiodrummy@gmail.com ,,-
@@fabiobaglioni7617 Ah, you don't like this particular solo by Williams. I understand, but I disagree with the idea that he isn't in control.
@@HeathWatts Dear Mr. Watts, I hope you have seen my 'Vid-Clips' in your Facebook-page,!!,. The ,,no-control,, starts at Time 0,44'' when Tony 'stop' and rise up 'sticks + arms'.,!!,. From ''that-point' the drums solo seams ,,lost,, with no-control of the 'sticks+arms+ideas'.. As you will see, Tony ''back'' to the theme in a 'nervus' speed rushing tempo on the cymbal,.!!,.
@@fabiobaglioni7617 I see a pause at 44 seconds where Williams decides to try something different. He is improvising. When one improvises, not everything is perfect. However, when I listen to this solo without watching it, I hear no loss of control. If I analyzed Shorter's solo that follows Williams, it is likely that a few of his tone choices could be deemed "incorrect", based on his tone choices relative to the underlying harmony. However, like Williams' solo, Shorter's overall solo is excellent.
now i understand vinnie better
+Lorenz Müller Well said! Vinnie was very influenced by Tony's 1971 release Ego, which is one hell of a disc. Check it out. I recently bought Emergency! and it's not bad, too. Jazz drums have never sounded so LOUD.
Indeed! Tony, Vinnie, and Billy Cobham are IMO the top 3 drummers of all time (or at the very least, of the last half-century).
Elvin, too. I'd say Elvin and Tony are probably the most influential of the last half-century. Plus modern dudes like Eric Harland, Marcus Gilmore, and Brian Blade have been making some very interesting breakthroughs in expanding the vocabulary of the drum set.
if you are talking about jazz and fusion Billy Cobham must be mentioned. And if talking drummers who played on the greatest music, Jim Gordon is right there, too. Prodigy who played on more great music than anyone.
It is a 'wrong+mistekes' ..NOT.. to adds another 'main+great' drummer as the most influential in the evolutions of the ''Modern-Drumming''..;..ROY HAYNES ,, ROY HAYNES ,, ROY HAYNES...- , -
Premier drums 😎
True. I think he's playing Paiste cymbals too. I commented awhile back on this. I figure whoever booked Miles on this gig couldn't afford the cartage/ freight costs to ship Tony's regular Gretsch kit and his K's. Kinda chintzy considering Tony used the small Progressive Jazz model kit and only 2 K Zildjian cymbals and a pair of hi-hats at this point in time.
FABIO YOU HAVE NO UNDERSTANDING OF JAZZ HENCE YOUR COMMENT. GENIUSES AT WORK MY FRIEND.
.., Infact., the 'Master-drummer' Tony Williams..: ''' will be a genius at work-drumming '' ..AFTER,, this 1967 'drums-solo',.!!,.-
he's 17 I believe in this? that's insane if that's the case
Thanks ,Grazie, dear Mr. Kyle for this comment,.!!,.-
to fabio baglioni...I would like to see your best drum solo.
My dear Mr. 'Mitch'.., if you want to see me to play 'drums' , well, search my name here in UA-cam. There are three ,,home-Video-spots..: drumming ,,talks of my Records-L.P. Vinyles ''collections'' ,,show my Video-Jazz DVD's ,&, CD's-Taped collections,.!!,. Ciao , fabio ..Roma ,.-
Look how young he is lol
Yes .,!! Yes .. We all ,,T.W.'s fans,, surely know that Tony was very yung when played with the 'Great , Great , Miles Davis , Quintet,.!!,..-
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Having a tough time believing this is 67’. I would have guessed maybe 64/65’.
..Grazie,.! Thanks dear Mr. ''Sir The Third'' .. Ciao fabio ,.
fabio baglioni But I may be totally wrong! It’s just that Tony looks soooo young. Either way, great video! Thank you for posting.
.. Well , Well..!! now dear Mr . ''Sir The Third'' your post, oppinions are better and clear,.!!. Surely when ''WE'' are..: 16 ,17 ,18'years.. ''WE'' all looks ..young, gentle and pretty good looking,..!!. Yes, Tony Williams was ''around'' those ..years,,17 ,18 ..20's..years and looked ..soooo..Young,.!!,. Ciao fabio ..-
.. somenthing ..more.. to ''see '' .. Enjoy .. Ciao fabio ..
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Just think. The next year Miles started working on 'In A Silent Way' & then 'Bitches Brew'.
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.. Yes , Yes dear Mr. XXXman , it is true., when you write..: '' I am not saying this is not a real drum solo'' ..but I do insist that..:'' This is NOT a real drums solo,. The future next coming ''drums solos'' palyed by Tony Williams ..have been the best of the of the best 'great drums solos..-
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1967 would have made Tony Williams about 20 years old by my calculations. Tony Williams maintained a simplistic core to his playing which gave it a sense ,at least to me , of spontaneity and brilliance. A beautiful human being and a remarkable Talent.
.. YES , YES .. dear Miss.,Ana.. I like your comments, oppinions about the ''drums-solo'' of Tony Williams.. Yes the ''spontaneus,+,semplicity'' of his drumming can be right and correct,.!!,. Thanks ''grazie''!!., Ciao fabio .,Roma ..-
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what's going on with his left hand stick ? Looks like a big painted , broken marching drumstick with a splintered shoulder.
Yes , Yes , Yessss,.!!., you are right.., I sincerily have ,,never,, seen the 'broken' stick in his lfet-hand,.!!.. Thanks for this your post/comment,.. -- ,, ,, -
Dont know wether to like for Tony or dislike for the description
Dear Mr. Rosen .. the 'answer' is easy and simple..: You ..must..!! have to like, to love ,,ALL OF,, the 'drumming' of Tony Williams, played ..after.. this 'one',.!! that can be 'disliked'...-
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., Thanks dear Mrs-Lady(*??., Marie-Christine Salmona for your ..good oppinon.. of this drums-solo played by..: Tony Williams,.!!,. Grazie , Ciao , fabio,..-
I;m sure Alan Dawson would have disagreed with you...ciao cornholio
Well .. this is a very , very , very ''good'' reply/comment,.!! regarding the ..oppinions.. of 'Master-Drummer' Alan Dawson..!!, known as the 'drums-teacher' of Tony Williams.. Ciao fabio ,Roma ..-- ,, -
Great solo but am I the only one who feels like he kind of just abandoned the solo at the end?
i felt the same way but hey it is tony .... he might done that on purpose ...its jazz haha :P
Gabriel Joseph its jazz. It's in the moment, it's beyond all rights and wrongs of playing. It's like life- it is sporadic, always changing, and never what you expect. It's spiritual music.
Jonah Martinez I understand that it's jazz. I'm a jazz musician myself. Tony is amongst my top 3 favorite drummers. Feeling that he abandoned the solo doesn't make me feel his solo was "wrong", it's just a thought
actually, this quintet would regularly intentionally abandon the form of the tune they were playing, especially by 1967. that was kind of their MO. some people call it "time, no changes". it allowed them complete freedom to improvise and interact with each other. If you listen to a lot of the second miles quintet you'll hear them take massive liberties with the form. Tony almost never kept the form in his solos with this group, he was doing something more experimental.
Dear ''thisisforwallace'' , all 'drummers'' ..stops-pausa.. on thyer ''drums-solos, as we all know..!!. But in ''THIS'' specific ..solo.. played by Tony Williams, it seams that the ''stops/pausa'' are because Tony ..??seams not to know what else on to play to complete the *drums solo*.. Tony restarts to play the 'rhythm' all at once in a (too!!)fast nervous ways.. NO , NO , drummers do that.. Ciao fabio .,-
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Yes , Yes.,!! all the next-coming ''drums solos'' played by..: Tony Williams are like ,,Drums School Lessons Teaching,, for all the drummers of this World,.!!,.
Ok, but can he play whiplash?
Bhèe.. per quanto ''questo''!! solo di batteria NON mi piace, non penso possa essere paragonato al 'film' ,,Whiplash,, che è un' AmmmèriKkànatàààà.. e basta,.!!,. Ciao fabio ,Roma..-
@@fabiobaglioni7617 sì era una presa in giro al film, proprio perché tony Williams suona ad un livello completamente diverso (migliore). Poi che un ragazzino del 2020 abbia come mito e aspirazione diventare Buddy rich e non decine di batteristi più moderni...beh è alquanto improbabile. Whiplash è in buona parte una americanata
@@gabrielegagliardi3956 ..Infatti il film di ''batteristico'' non aveva niente.,!!,. E' un film tra ,,Rambo,, ed i vari '' Sergenti di ferro '' da caserma ''marines-americani''.. Ma poi raggiungere il super - velocismo nel rullo 'uno-a-uno'.. a cosa serve.,?! se poi non sei Buddy Rich .,non suoni in un' ambito Americano .,se poi non ci sono i ,,soldoni,, per mantenere una big band,.!!.,se non hai i fans sparsi in giro per il mondo come li aveva Buddy 's.,!!,. E' come dici ,te, che in Italia ci si deve accontentare di una bravura professionale valida e ,,BASTA,,.!!,. Anche se si dovesse diventare..: Dave Weckell.. mi dici con ''chi'' kazzxo suoni se nessun pianista suona come Chick Corea.,!!.. Dennis Chambers se non esiste nessun John Mc Laughlin.,!!.. Jack De Johnette se non ci sono..: Miles Davis , o Jarrett,.!!,.-
@@fabiobaglioni7617 Ci sono alcune cose buone nel film, l'idea di superare i propri limiti attraverso il sacrificio, un buon montaggio, ottime interpretazioni . Purtroppo, come dici, il film passa l'idea di imparare solo attraverso la paura e la violenza, non c'è uno scambio costruttivo, non ci sono intermezzi ludici tra i musicisti. Imparare la batteria è attraversare un tunnel di una casa stregata. Peccato, perché senza queste americane sarebbe stato un film migliore.
@@gabrielegagliardi3956 Caro 'Gabry' se vuoi ci possiamo scrivere anche per E-Mail..: fabiodrummy@gmail.com )),. AmeriKanata-per-AmeriKanata poteva essere molto più interessante fare una ''biografia''!! di un batterista come venne fatto su..: Gene Krupa, o su Glenn Miller, Charlie Parker e qualche altro Jazzista.,!!,. Poteva essere valido ed importante fare la vita musicale, batteristica e politico-militante di un Max Roach,(*recitato/interpretato da un' attore.)..!!,. sarebbe stato un film ..MOLTO , MOLTO.. più solido e concreto relativo ai 'movimenti' sia pacifisti che di ''lotta'' del popolo-nero 'Americano',..!!,. Con la biografia di Roach si arriva alle ''Black-Panters'' , al Free-Jazz 'politicizzato'(*Archie Sepp , Mingus, Albert Ayler, Ornette Coleman, Sunny Murray.. ect ...-
Can someone explain this solo to me? I don't get it.
He really seems to me that he just gives up at the end. No matter how many times i listen to it, that look on his face at the end really seems strange to me. I even listened to a lot of his first album, and beign a fan of the genre i really like it, of course. But i just don't get this solo. I'm not saying that it doesn't make sense, it's probably just me. But can you explain it to me what the hell is he trying to accomplish here exactly?
I'm talking about technique here, no "he's expressing an idea...duh?" or "it's jazz...duh?" answers are accepted. Sorry.
WWWOWOOHH.,.!!!., thanks dear Mr. XXX'man' I sincerily agree with all your commente, and oppinions,.!!,. This is not a real ''drums solo'' as ''WE'' all jazz-fans are used to listen to..!!,.-
@@fabiobaglioni7617 i'm not saying this is not a real drum solo lol
it's called 'free jazz' the musicians play off each other.
Well , dear Mr. Bill Shankland .. the so called ''Free - Jazz -Style'' was palyed by..: Cecil Taylor , Sunny Murray , Andrew Cyrille... The drumming style of..: Tony Williams is ..more close to Be-bop.,.!!: Roach , Blakey .,Roy Haynes,..-
There's NO Logical sense in MUSIC... Just in Mathematics and some stupid Pseudo-Psy-sciences... Music is, first of all, a FEEL!! :)) Peace. ps: Miles and many others will say the same today, please, guys!
Dear Mr. Unwriters, that 'drums-solo' played here ,1967, has..: No logical sense,.!!,. If we 'Jazz-Fans' consider the tens and tens of ''LOGICAL'' drums-solos played by..:Max Roach , Art Blakey , Roy Haynes and many Others..drummers, well, WE shall see, hear that this Tony Williams ,drums-solo, is ..out-of-control..!!,.-