Bowman Chrome 1st Vs The Rookie Card-Which Baseball Card Is Best?!
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
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Baseball cards can be confusing. There are prospect cards, rookie year cards, call up cards, and true rookie cards. When looking at all of these different options many collectors might not know what to target. The race is down to two types of cards as the go to card for a collection. Bowman Chrome 1st and the rookie card. In this video I break down Bowman Chrome 1st and the rookie card and discuss why each have an argument being the go to card to buy moving forward.
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I am one of the few people in this hobby that still enjoys collecting base rookies. I know the print runs are high, but from a collectors standpoint it’s affordable and the cards themself are still significant to me. I guess you could call it prospecting on the cheap. I consider myself a collector only. I do not sell cards, so this still remains fun for me.
That makes 2 of us. That to is all I collect.
I’ll grab some to sell but I’m never interested in keeping them. That slide he put up with all the 1sts just really showed how ugly they all are. It’s never a good design and the pictures are terrible. Collecting wise it’s always the base rookies for me too.
I'm wiht ya.
I just got back into the hobby and I’m having fun collecting all the base rookies from all the sets for Bobby Witt.
Ultra-modern base cards are dead as far as investing, definitely still fun to collect tho!
Bowman Chrome autos all day for me, ideally serial numbered. Great content as always Scott.
If Topps keeps up this ridiculous run of releasing all these sets that no one cares about, the Bowman 1st is easily going to be the more desirable card
Personally I think the 1st bowman chromes for a player like Wander or JROD will outsell their flagship base 10 out of 10 times going forward. Topps has wrecked flagship rookies by having much higher print runs and devaluing the “rookie” by throwing the rookie logo on 300 different cards and inserts
That is why they need to just make 1000 rcs that are all different. Just 1/1 Rcs but only make a certain amount. So EVERY single person has a chance to have a 1/1 RC to sell, or trade.
@@seanguzy9601 this is a joke right?
@@ryanra44 lol 😆
I love the 1st bowman chrome image variations. They are some of the toughest non-numbered pulls in the hobby and are really low print and pop.
Dude… I can’t commend you enough on your content. It’s so good and pragmatic, detailed, and absolutely no BS. Keep doing it Scottie b
Thank you for that. I really appreciate it!
I like the build up to the ultimate point: historically, when RCs were clearer, the flagship cards are preferable, but I think you’re on to something for players with RCs in 2019 to current. This is due to print runs AND the number of sets produced with the RC logo.
Bowman chrome 1st is king for now. Until topps addresses the issue of just how many “rookie cards” there are per player the 1st bowmans will hold true
The way Topps has bastardized and manipulated the RC logo has soured me on them. Moving more towards 1st Bowmans.
@Guy Incognito A player has one 1st Bowman Chrome auto. Better than 300 trash 2nd year insert "RCs". Releasing "RCs" in a player's second year is some '50s nonsense. It's almost 2023 and we can't have rookie cards of players with 400 plate appearances. Yeah, that's freaking lame. They're killing the RC.
@Guy Incognito Talk about pedantic. Your argument against the 1st Bowmans can be made tenfold with the fake RC logo cards. Complaining about a few while heralding hundreds is essentially a self-own on your part.
I agree, the RC logo has become way overused and as a result has lost a lot of its impact. Insert cards should not have the RC logo. If a player has a Topps Chrome RC, their Topps Chrome Update should not have a RC logo. Just a couple examples
@Brutus on Baseball So true. Inserts, MLB Debut cards, SPs, different Series, etc. These aren't RCs, so why are they putting the logo on them.
@Guy Incognito I never said that the 1st Bowman is the end all be all. I said I'm moving more towards them over RC logo.
I think the card with their first auto or 1st chrome base card is much more valuable and rare for me and maketplace. bowman 1st!
Pop counts matter. I want SP or SSP RC’s only. Base RC’s are just penny sleeve worthy now. I do like Bowman Chrome 1st a lot but again variations with low count are the key. The days of collecting any Base are just over until they cut print runs by 60-70%, which won’t happen. I have roughly 70 Topps base Wander RC’s, but there are a literal MILLION of them. I have the Ssp Wander in Psa 10 and there are 28. Buy smart.
All you need to do is go check the prices for rookie auto and 1st bowman auto to see who is really king. 1st bowman is the ONLY way to go forward. 1st bowmans have been king. My preference or yours doesn't matter, the market dictates who is king and it definitely has spoken.
I feel like there's supposed to be some skill/research/luck/stakes in collecting. It takes literally none of these things to know who the best rookies in a class are going to be.. You'd have to be living under a rock to not know wander, etc were hot for 2022. It does take research knowing all the hottest 16 year old internationals and skill to pick your favorites and luck to roll the dice and invest. If people went heavy on wander and disregarded jrod in 2019, 20, 21,, they pay the price, and vice versa if you fell in love with jrod. Are Elly de la Cruz and Jackson Chourio going to be Acuna and Soto, or will one or both fall off. That's something you have to decide today for the big reward. If you buy their RCs in 2024, then the answer to my question is already known, and that should be less valuable/rewarding.
@Scotty B Cards
Love your videos. @5:34 you mention the 1st Bowman being airbrushed. Those images are in fact from their professional debut in Rookie League where the team names and uniforms are the same as their big league counterparts (minus the MLB logo).
I've worked for several MLB teams doing game presentation for spring training and talked with photographers personally.
Once they go up to A-AAA ball the uniforms are typically different. But sometimes they get the images at spring training. The give away is usually the uniform number being in the 70s or 80s for non-roster invitees at spring training.
One could probably Google the box score for their games and figure out when they wore that uniform number.
Nothings better than a 1st bowman to me but I totally understand!
I gotta say, I hope I run into you at a card show, I need to buy you a beer, I’ve learned so much from watching your videos and I really do appreciate the work you put into these
Bowman 1st > Topps Flagship... every time.
For me, it's 1st Bowman &/or 1st Bow Chrome. Look at the NFL & the NBA. How many rookie cards are there of guys who NEVER even make it to a practice squad or past the NBA Development League. If they're going to keep making 25-30 different brands, don't put every good rookie in every brand. It's a far cry from when back in '89 you only had Topps, Donruss, Fleer, Score & Upper Deck. Even when stadium club, finest, Select, SP, and (the reemergence of) Bowman came into play there was plenty of choices. It's just gotten way out of hand re the brands, the parallels AND the parallels of parallels.
Then you have J. T. Realmuto who doesn't have a BC first or RC. Not sure what happened there.
Not only did Topps mess up in 2006 with the Alex Gordon RC, but they did it again with 2021 Bowman’s Best where they included prospects in the base set along with veterans, breaking the rules that were set up in 2006.
The first image has become iconic the jrod, witt, wander well known images, for me the bowmanchrome 1st is the most important card by a long shot, They destroyed the rookie card with too many sets, parallels n RC logos on everything. Heritage chrome uses the 1st bowman image Im a big fan of them too, Miggy Cabrera RC is technically a prospect card his 2001 card is when he was drafted by marlins farm the first big prospect auto ha
keep it up! but dont become a breaker, have some class!
He's not breaking to sell. He's breaking to give.
The reason the 1st Bowman is best is because there are so many cards with the RC logo.
As for the nuances with Bowman like the fact there are some guys that are auto only, it is not a negative factor, it is a fun wrinkle that true Bowman enthusiasts enjoy.
Also- your point that there are many years of prospect cards but only 1 year of RCs, non-1st prospect cards are equivalent to veteran cards. It's basically a minor league rookie vs major league rookie.
Agree
I like both. But I do prefer the rookie logo.
I like the Bowman Chrome 1st autos. They're rare, they're first, and they're autographed.
You're only about 4 years late.
I think a lot of people like the prospect cards because of the game of prospecting. Baseball is the only sport where prospects have years in the professional sport before they make the majors, gives so much more time for prospecting. Means its the only sport where you can prospect on players for quite some time and find under the radar players before too many others find them. I myself prefer Bowman 1st stuff mostly because I don't follow the MLB so closely (I'm mostly a basketball and basketball card guy), but I find my fun with baseball in following players on their journey to the majors. It's like the MyCareer version of following a sport.
I try to get at least 2 of the cards for every player I want. Bowman Chrome 1st Auto and Topps Chrome Rookie Auto. I tend to just end up with a flagship and chrome base rookie as well.
Julio Topps Series 2 SP is the best rookie card and in PSA 10 is still affordable, in 5 years it won’t be, the swing with Julio wearing shades will become the legend RC for Julio
Just Pulled my 2nd one in the past month out a 36card pk at my local Wawa 🤞🏻🤑 there OTW to SGC im a hour away from there Boca Raton Hub usually get them back n 5-7days
@@sportscardyankee2151 I got my Julio Series 2 SP from a purchase of 2 hobby boxes in August, I’m not a Mariners fan but I got it PSA 10 and flipped it quickly for around 400, the 2 hobby boxes cost me around 230, I used that money to go buy some Jordan PSA 10 slabs
1st Bowmans are king just for the fact that it takes 2-4 years for a player to actually debut so the prices fluctuate. You can pick up top prospects cheap once they slump in the minors for a few months and people are chasing the top rookies in the MLB. I look at a player like Jasson Dominguez and how cheap his cards have become due to playing mediocre and everyone chasing Jrod and Wander. The second Dominguez hits his first HR in the MLB or even just debuts, his value will skyrocket for like a month while everyone goes crazy. The only true prospect card to own before that time is the 1st bowman
I just can’t get over how bad the 1sts look. I can’t think of a single one that looks good, they look like fake placeholder cards. Give me the flagship rookie any day
Just purchased the 2022 Julio Rodriguez Bowman Sterling mini diamond refractor /150 and it has the RC logo pretty big on the front got it raw for a very good deal I hope I did good
What drives me nuts is how Pitchers are valued so much less than Hitters!!!! How is the Jarred Kelenic ($100) 2018 Bowman Chrome Auto 1st base worth more than Shane McClanahan ($80) of the same card after the 2022 season. Since we are talking about pitchers, in the same set Casey Mize ($120) is worth 1.5 more than the same McClanahan card in that set. This is a travesty on Beckett and I feel there needs to be a re0haul of the way these cards are valued..... Same with 2019, how is Alex Manoah ($100) worth 1/3rd of what CJ Abrams ($300) is in the 2019 Bowman Chrome Auto 1st after the last couple years of Manoah killing it in the AL? Its ridiculous.
Has anyone considered why a rookie card carries a premium over a second-year card? I always thought it was because we do not know at the start of a player's career whether he will be a great player or not. If that is in fact the reason, then earlier would be even better and prospect cards, or at least a player's "first card" should carry the largest premium. The Bowman 1st is earlier than the rookie, but even earlier cards for certain players would be minor league, Team USA cards, college cards, etc. Some players even have high school cards, for example, 2007 Bowman AFLAC Gerrit Cole, 2015 Bowman Under Armour Bo Bichette, 2008 Upper Deck Bryce Harper. Due in large part to rarity, some of these "first cards" are already worth more than their rookies card counterparts, e,g,. a PSA 7 Chong Rickey Henderson > PSA 7 1980 Topps Rickey Henderson.
Well done Scott. Only thing I would say about the market is that there’s a lot of subjectivity. This is why I always lean towards what do the rules say. Next I’m gonna have to decide whether you are an ally or a competitor 🤣 Keep up the good work!
How about a collaborator!
There's no rules to any of this moron.
But who's "rules" do you & all other collectors like myself should we follow? Look at how many people have football or basketball rc's who NEVER make it past an NFL practice squad or the NBA Developmental league. Why does the MLBPA get to create rules on what is a player's rookie card? All of the cards draft picks & prospect cards from Topps are licensed by MLB.
@@kenfreeman5940 Great questions Ken! The way I see it due to ignorance or hidden agendas the waters have been muddied for a couple of decades now. The PA’s involvement in 2005 was caused by “consumer confusion” and since they have the legal authority over the name, image, and likeness of the players they scheduled a press release communicating their expectations on how the rookie card needs to look going forward including “a rookie card must be licensed by both the league AND the Players Association. In other words two license are needed.
However, this doesn’t negate the fact that card manufacturers, with a legal team of their own, have complied with the PA rules, but have also created their own interpretation of those rules. And so gimmicks, shenanigans, and miscues have become the norm. We also have a set of guidelines that were created by the hobby and recorded by Beckett magazine in the 80s-90s that still carry weight today. So now there are two set of guidelines those created by the hobby and those created by the PA. This is why there is so much debate on what is a true rookie card. I have my own theory and list that I follow and have made it my life’s passion to navigate through the muddy waters. Thanks for your astute comment. 👍🏽
If nobody knows....here lol the reason why the product this year is produced more, they arent topps solo next year. Fanatics bought them out and topps is blowing the product up big. I never get the amount of cards sold at the stores here then 2018....
2019 2020 and 2021 topps was hard to find here, middle California. Dont know how it was for others for that year. Great video. Best one to help new collectors and veterans that forget lol
How do u feel about the insets carrying the rc shield? I love it cus I chase all my favorite players shield cards. I like both tho I always try to get the chrome 1st as well and it's almost always more valuable than the Topps rc unless it's a parallel
Sorry Scotty. The 1st Bowman Chrome Devers was in 2015, whereas the RC is in 2018...own both of them...nice work on the content.
I like Both, and don't favor one or the other. Real quick, I have a Ronald Acuna Jr. 1st Bowman, and I like it a lot. His Rookies are also Valuable.
I've been collecting cards since the early 90s and I remember when I was a kid when we bought a box or a pack and we got a rookie card that was the rookie card this day in age with buying cards is ridiculous you don't even know what is a true rookie anymore
In terms of long term investment, would you suggest a Jrod 1st bowman mega box mojo refractor, a Jrod update gold foil, or a Jrod Home Field Advantage?
i like different images - i want all variations and SP's, anything numbered or color parallels to be different photos. to me that is more ideal. I want actual rarity... we already see them adding variants so they can use 1 photo for 27 different color versions. give me rarity not just cause the serial number says so...
Good job Scott. There is no doubt in my mind that the 1st Bowman will be the flagship card, easily!
1st bowman is king, its considered the draft card or in old terms xrc! The rookie stuff is printed into the ground so i dont think it really matters anymore unless they are color bowman! Right now there are way to many types of cards and the market is flooded also with the players autos! Hence why im going back into vintage!
It’s funny how in the end, the long time collectors, and the hobby standards that have been set for decades, are now starting to show again. Really what it means is all the new “investors” are out. The hobby is returning to the roots of what it always was.
When the RC logo first came out, no one gave it any love at all. It was basically the same as putting the rookie cup on a card. None of the old school collectors changed their collecting because of it at the time.
In the end, it probably was a good thing. It created a second card that at least has a level of interest that didn’t exist prior.
I still consider RC logo on a true rookie card. I prefer Topps chrome or chrome update as a true rookie card.
i HATE that there are a few variations of Bowman 1st for a single player, it makes it hard to keep up which one is the real 1st
I enjoy this channel, after peeping it. Thanks for your time and content, brother
And then theres the Bowman Draft on top of the Bowman Chroms which makes it even more confusing!
The Bowman 1st is great but I prefer the original rc, can't go wrong either way 👌
Best investment you can make is buy and hold a case of bowman chrome for 20 years.
Tons of research put into this - all for the people. Nice work.
I only like 1st bowmans when they havent been traded before their rookie card.
So which is better, 1st Bowman or Bowman refractor that isn't a 1st bowman?
People will cry if J Rod & Witt have a 2023 sub par year 😢
Is there any value in a 1/1 prospect card that isn't a bowman 1st?
Bowman is “is not now the king”, it always has been the king
Have two of the Verlander draft cards at psa right now fresh out the set.
Rookie cards are like Pokemon - Gotta Catch Em All
Bowman Chrome quality this year has been terrible.
what about a 1st bowman 1st ed vs a standard 1st bowman chrome?
I don't collect prospect cards, to me it's like collecting minor leagues cards from before the RC times. I'd much prefer their Rookie card in MLB uniforms than something airbrushed or unrecognizable. Just my two cents as a collector.
At the same time, I hate, hate, hate how many Rookie cards and variations have been made available in the 2000s. I really think the players association need to clamp down on the RC designation to make things better for the collector/fan
I'm a football collector. This year Bowman brought back football Bowman first cards. I'm curious to see how these play out in the market.
Won’t make waves until they can release a better set than a weak checklist with no team logos
Can a Bowman chrome auto be a 1st also, or thats pretty rare?
Thank you for this explanation! I collected back in the 90s and early 2000s and I am just not getting back into it but have mostly collected football. I have enjoyed Baseball this year and started collecting it, but was confused on the whole RC thing. Especially this year with Elly De La Cruz. Sounds like he will not have a RC until 2004, so his 1st Bowman Chrome cards are on fire. Keep up the great videos they really help.
I didn't even know it was a competition. I've always considered 1st bowman to be the most desirable rookie of a player.
That's the problem, it's not actually a true rookie card
@@brutusonbaseball well since 2006 anyway. Before that it’s been pretty well established that a players first appearance on a card, whether they played a game in the majors or not, is that players rookie card.
@@TheChoochooboy99 So true, but before the mid-90s it was a lot less common. Oh the good old days when a player's first major issue card was his first year in his team's uniform! Those were simpler times...as long as you can ignore the USA Team versions...
@@brutusonbaseball that was an even better time. Remember when everybody debated whether or not Roger Clemens’ 1984 Fleer Update was a true rookie card? So to solve that “problem” they just attached an X to the front of RC. Such a scandal then. 😂
@E L Brown absolutely, I'm nostalgic about the time when update sets were the most controversial part of the hobby! It is interesting how the goal posts have changed so much over time. I think they did the XRC because it was issued only in complete sets and not packs, but it's a good point that the Rookie card "rules" have not always been clear.
I prefer Topps RC’s mostly because I collect key rookies from every set they have released since 1951.
That's okay; if you're collecting on the cheap. And there's nothing wrong with that...
@@robdemare8250 Well starting with 1986 Topps, I own nothing but PSA 10’s so I wouldn’t say it is on the cheap.
I’ve recently started following and collecting baseball more seriously, and your channel has provided me with the absolute best content for it. Appreciate you, Scott. Keep doing what you’re doing.
I love this video & research, I appreciate u!
This is why I prefer not to collect Modern, Ultra Modern and what I call Super Modern aka The Wander Years. I'm sticking to 60s thru 90s cards and focusing on 70s basketball already graded 5 and up. But the stars and HOFer RCs are out of my budget. Like I just brought a 3rd year Kareem (the last Lew Alcindor card) PSA 6 because 1st and 2nd year tall boys are so expensive. Out of Modern and up I would buy serial numbered cards. Those are what's gonna move the market of these eras 5 years from now. Just watch. Because I ust brought an Ohtani Heritage Chrome RC because there's only 999 copies made of that card because I won't be left out on that one.
I prefer Bowman over Topps either way it's just less confusing. I don't see it less accessable because print runs are smaller than Topps and Topps just has too many sets to think about. Bowman is simple. I like all the RC refractors being numbered. Bowman just hits better.
I collect all the RC's of my fave players.... typically Bowman Chrome auto when possible and then flagships....but all of them...Heritage red ink's are at the top of the list~ Heritage real ones (blue ink) of course.... Bowmans best~ Topps finest.... I get em all if I can. For example, I really like the Ohtani on card auto's and the Topps Finest is on the cheaper side but the auto is crisp, clear and loud with that storm trooper like photo.... LOVE IT. So I do not always go for the same issues.
Cheaper side? Doesn't that card go for thousands?
@@johnwayne9828 sure.. but its about comparing it to other Auto prices.
@@simondaughtry4619 fair enough. I do agree, his finest autos are sweet. Would love to have one but way outta my price range. Same with a jrod bowman chrome auto( though not as high as finest shohei), too high for me but his bowmans best autos are sweet for a quarter or less of the price.
@@johnwayne9828 agreed !
I enjoy collecting Minor League Heritage cards and Bowman 1st Chrome, Bowman, Topps RC. I loved back in the so called junks wax period players only had 5 RC cards Topps, Fleer, Donruss, Score & UD but now there is million, stupid.
I lean towards the Bowman Chrome 1st….REFRACTOR! Why? Cause those are only printed to 499. So you get immediate scarcity of the player at an affordable price. If the auto is in my budget I will buy it but if not, I’ll take the refractor all day long.
I also will chose the SP of the RC card to dodge the printing of the base RCs.
Video was a joy to watch. Good work.
I would collect RCs first over Bowman 1st but I actually enjoy prospect cards even if they aren’t as valuable. Also, since I don’t really care about values as much as some I don’t care as much what card has one of my favorite players auto on it.
I will collect the actual rookie cards as well
With modern cards I only keep refractors and parallels. I'm slowly selling all my sticker autos. 80's, I only keep leaf, o-pee-chee, and Tiffany.
Bowman Chrome Auto 1st Bowman (Sapphire Auto 1st Bowman also) is the undisputed Champion, the King, almost without exception.
To your point it greatly depends on the era. I feel like mookie, judge, vladdy bowman 1st auto will be kings but can’t say that about others printed earlier or after this period. I understand if you collect from 02 to 15 why rc would be primary target
Agreed on the Bowman Chrome 1st auto being King. 👑 However, there are some instances where even I would prefer a player’s Topps Chrome RC auto to their Bowman Chrome 1st. Usually it would be because their Bowman Chrome 1st image just looks pathetic or (at least in the case of Andres Gimenez) their auto just looks lazy or weak, making those cards less desirable.
Scott, this video is AMAZING. You seriously are the baseball card GOAT! You deserve 100k subs
There is a tilt on this debate because current rookie cards are of course from this year where as the 1st bowmans are a few years older and harder to aquire for that reason. 20 years from now that may not be as significant. Also, some of the rookies sneak up on us such as jeremy pena. Pena 1st bowmans I suspect are being graded now and will skyrocket in population soon.
love the videos.. i like bowman autos and rc numbered cards for example the golds numbered /2022
I went for the JRod 1st Chrome! Mainly due to it was easier to identify one card compared to so many with a RC logo! But in the end I believe he’s going to be a Great Player so I’ve tried to buy all his RCs I can! Even though long term values aren’t to clear I just find the deals! My Biggest & 1st Main card to buy was the 1st Chrome! I wish I could afford the 1st Chrome Autos but a Little expensive for my card budget! Thanks Scottie!
Thank you. This video was extremely helpful in understanding the difference of these cards. I was extremely confused and did not understand prices and why one was more valuable than the other. Thank you
I love them all! I collect everything, except most Panini. I go after certain players and I usually start with their 1sts, then 1st auto, then true flagship rc, then any other cool RCs like topps chrome, heritage, topps finest, etc. Then at least one rc auto and one rc game used relic.
Its a coin toss for me i have bowman 1st chrome julio in a SGC 10 slab but i also love the topps update photo of julio more but the SP in series 2 should be his flagship rookie but then his chrome is his first card ever made so its just personal preference collect what you like not whats valuable per say
At a price point 1st bowman chrome auto are high but who are driving theses prices.
Collectors drive towards 1st Bowman...
Good stuff. I keep it simple, 1st auto with player in mlb jersey, usually of course that will be a bowman chrome auto.
I like Bowman 1st's but you have players on the 40 man roster and set to make their rookie debut that have not yet had a Bowman card. Bowman has a lot of international prospects and just top draft picks.
Great breakdown - the base rookie is alive in well, it just takes a longer to reach its potential. Topps has been trying to shorten this time and I pay particular attention to the different ways in which they try to do that.
What year do Bowman chrome has the most valuable cards ? Can someone tell me
any players 1st but bowman prices peaked in 19, 20 products
I am new to sports cars and from my initial reaction to the structure of the design and card itself I feel that Bowman chrome base rookies and 1st cards are so elegant they seem to be a standout amongst all the rest they're just super clean through and through
I think one huge thing that could have been touched on that also seems to affect value has to do with trades. If the player is on a different team on their rookie vs their first bowman (ie: Tatis) then the bowman doesn’t seem to hold up to the topps flagship
Excellent…thank you …
I'm really surprised YOU of ALL people say "and" when saying numbers, like dates, like "two thousand AND six". Ijs...
And “Julio Rodriguez” each time instead of sprinkling in J-Rod here and there 😉
I believe the base rookie card should be the true rookie card whether it's in series 1 of topps or series 2
you finally listened to me. I told you this a few weeks ago
Too much printing!!!
Scottie, Bowman by many estimates is printed less than Topps flagship. I collect both personally but long term I think Chrome 1st will hold more value than flagship unless you're talking SP cards. I just picked up the complete 22 Bowman Chrome Mega Mojo set of 100 cards that has great potential I feel. To me, 22 Bowman and Topps Update are the baseball products of the year. I don't count Logofractor because it's brand new this year and it seems a select few people got mass quantities of it while the rest of us got little or nothing.
Logo was available on topps website for several days. I picked up four boxes. This time of year. I check their website daily.