Donald Trump and His Cult of Victims - Sam Harris | The Remnant (Clip)
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Jonah Goldberg and Sam Harris discuss the double standard towards Israel and Trump's cult of personality.
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What bugs me about these types of conversations is the both sides-ism. Far left fascistic populism does not hold sway in the Democrat party, especially at the leadership level. Anti-semitism is confined primarily to decentralized fringe groups, mainly on college campuses. Meanwhile, Trump and other Republican leaders keep company with and provide cover for known anti-semites and white nationalists. In fact, the Republican Party has veered so far to the right that Conservatives like Liz Cheney are voting D. Imagine if the D party tacked so far left that AOC was like “guess I gotta vote R now.”
Jonah says that there’s just as much victimization on the Right as on the Left. The difference between R & L is that the R Party has elevated and elected as its leader, standard bearer, and nominee for POTUS (for the third time) the biggest self-professed victim of all.
This is just catastrophically stupid. Liz Cheney is a neocon voting for the party that currently caters best to neocons. That is why Dick Cheney supports Democrats. It's why David Frum supports Democrats.
You also have the RFK and Tulsi Gabbard who switched to supporting Trump. These realignments happen because the parties cater to different constituencies at different times, and if your main concern is the health of the defense contractors, then being GOP in the 2010s and then switching to Democrat in the 2020s is exactly what you would expect.
This.
You sound like a person who believes that the protesters are far left antisemites rather than anti genocide. Keep drinking the kool-aid.
The far left is a bunch of young college kids, and the far right is the majority of the Republican party.
I definitely agree that Democrats haven't veered left. That's actually the problem. So many of their current positions are basically right wing.
With terms like anti-Semite and Islamophobia out there, is there any way to disagree with either side without being positioned as against their very existence or an irrational, rabid fear based person? What if I think everyone is wrong about some things and right about some others?
Complexity can be overwhelming, and often, we prefer simplicity. Having more than two straightforward options can make us hesitant and unsure. We desire reality to be as straightforward as a football match, with only two teams to root for. Things must be either good or bad.
Harris is literally doing woke-style namecalling with that antisemitism piece. I'm so used to it from him that I didn't notice until you pointed it out.
Labelling all pro-Palestinian protestors as anti-Semitic and pro-Hamas is just simply dishonest.
They are doing propaganda, not analysis.
@@SilouanSea Hamas bot
It’s not dishonest, all of these Muslims that say free Palestine happily wish for the death of all Jews. They say it all the bloody time on social media. Open your eyes
Certainly not helpful to ANYONE.
@@JackSchitt-p9tyeah, Harris is all propaganda. Foolish comment.
Many, many people prefer to hear what that WANT over the truth. "Tell them what they want to hear" was mastered by the bafflingly effective televangelists in the 1980's, and Trump has taken it to a new level. This mechanism, this human weakness, magnified by low intelligence and poor education is the problem to be cured.
Aye
Plus there's a lot more "hate for" in their "love of"
Sam, you hurt your credibility when you characterize all criticism of Israel being due to antisemitism. It’s a very lazy analysis that ignores history and political realities. It’s also destructive and harmful to Jews around the world, who because of Netanyahu are now tied to Israel’s brutalization of people in Gaza.
What’s even more lazy is your unwillingness to actually find out what his position is. What you described is very much not it.
@@thomasrainer8478 this may be….may be, the fucking dumbest response to a thoughtful comment on the conflict that I’ve witnessed in 12 months of Israeli retaliatory bloodletting. I’ll check my note to see if you win. Wow. Incredibly shitty take. Congratulations.
This moment really is simultaneously being disingenuously utilized by actual antisemites, so it's even more complicated than you might think. You are right in what you said, but the balance in assessing this situation shifts significantly if you're Jewish, or particularly sympathetic to Judaism, or particularly against Naziism, or even Islam.
The main difficulty of the Middle East situations, for thousands of years now, has typically been that the Abrahamic religions have certain grand and essential, worldly, ethnic, and territorial interests, which go beyond rational argument at a certain point, and reside in pure sentiment, faith, and familiarity.
Yeah that’s not how he characterizes all criticism of Israel soo.. 🤷♂️
I thought the double standard was being rightfully outraged by the atrocities of October 7 but not the wanton and indiscriminate killing of tens of thousands of innocent civilians in genocidal revenge. The law of war respects the concept of a proportional response. Let's face it: the response has been sickeningly disproportionate.
I respect Harris immensely, but I don't get his take here. Oct 7 was awful, but Israeli response seems to be just as bad morally and even worse practically. I don't see the protests as primarily anti-Semitic. Am I naive?
Same confusion. I thought I was going to hear about the double standard that Israel is permitted to bomb civilians.
@richardscrimger3969
Hamas did a terrorist attack Israeli's and Israel decided by starting a genocide on the Palestinians under the pretense of defending themselves against Hamas.
If every excuse Israel would make up would be true that would be no excuse for killing over 40.000 Palestinians.
Let's also not forget that Israel used to fund Hamas with the intent to destabilise Palestine.
you want proportional response? Like rape and torture of woman and children? Israel goes out of it's way to spare as many civilians as possible but it's difficult when they hide behind woman and children. They don't give a damn their own civilians. They use them to tug on the heart strings of the sensitive western lefties. Yall are suppose to be the smart ones but seem to lack the most basic critical thinking skills.
@@richardscrimger3969 You are naive, but not in your assessment of what Israel is doing. For some reason you seem to believe that Sam is doing political analysis and failing to do so accurately because of blind spots. That was my assessment of him in 2015. I have long ago put that naivety aside.
Sam Harris is a Jewish supremacist who is doing propaganda for his people.
A group of people that use their victimhood to deflect any kind of criticism, that can't be?
The GOP ?
Jews are undefeated in this domain.
@@RegnumHierosolymitanum1099 The Z O G
@@RegnumHierosolymitanum1099 blacks
Sam Harris remains one of the most incisive and intelligent social commentators we have today.
if he can't give us two dollar gas again, he needs to shut the fuck up
Imagine believing this.
Love listening to Sam
@@JackSchitt-p9t Imagine feeling the need to insult someone's character rather than provide an intelligent counter narrative. Next time you feel like insulting someone, hit pause, and go rub one out. It might, MIGHT, make you less of a dick.
@@JackSchitt-p9t IKR?
"When we are talking about Israelis we are talking about a group of
race-loyal people
calling themselves "God's chosen
people", who created an ethno-state,
where the
constitutional identity is based on
racial grounds, to serve one ethnic
group. And who create a law that assures
that the right to exercise national
self-determination is unique to only
them. There's a name for this level of racism andbl bigotry and future historians won't ignore it" ~~ Sam Harris
Incredible!
Harris did what many do, he spoke of "Israel and the Jews" as if they are one and the same. It is possible to be a severe critic of Israel and not be anti-semitic. Indeed there are many Jews who are highly critical of Israel.
It would be exactly like criticizing America and being called anti-Christian. Makes no sense.
Many of the leading voices of Anti-Zionism are Jewish.
And like many others, he only interviews with people who approve of his ideas so he never opens himself to challenge or serious debate. At that point how can you consider yourself an intellectual, if you never challenge your ideas? Even Cenk Uyger, who definitely has strong bias, is willing to have debates, and he doesn't consider himself a prominent intellectual
@@bulldogblvd It makes perfect sense. The accusation of antisemitism is effective. Harris does not care if it is honest, he cares if it works.
It's true to say that one can be opposed to a nation's policies while not disliking the peoples of that nation.
That said, it's not the case with Israel. You say that many people conflate "Israel and Jews" as one. I've found that not enough people recognize that it's exactly because the two are considered one, that antisemitism is increasing exponentially.
humanism, it's that simple. the movement today is not about this side against that side. keeping the old enemies story will NEVER help us move forward.
We're talking about a kind of people who in 2022 demolished 950 Palestinian homes and confiscated more than 113 square kilometres of land in an effort to expand illegal Jewish-only settlements into Palestine. They weren't the innocent victim on October 7th
lol
Hamas came to power in 2006 through.... Elections..... and???? I think that's the last time Gaza had elections. So if you're so concerned about illegal occupation, Hamas is your answer. oh what's that?? you don't care about elections and legality and occupation? ok well thanks for playing anyway.
@user-gc2jx4gj2q
Hamas isn't in the West Bank, and the illegal land grab is still happening there.
So that justified a bunch of young *liberal* concertgoers being raped, burned, killed and taken hostage? Good to know where your moral compass is.
@@saganworshipper6062There is NO justification for Oct 7.
Is Harris sippin' on Voddy there ?? 😮
Yes I must say theres a lot of spot on comments here. I really enjoy listening to Sam on many topics, but when he’s talking about Israel he’s so biased that he loses me. I think it’s really hard to look at Israel and its modern history and not be struck by their very unbalanced treatment of the Palestinians. You can’t keep associating them with Hamas, because it wasn’t always there. It’s hard to argue that Hamas isn’t a product of this relationship. And to point this out isn’t being anti-semitic, it’s being critical. His other exaggeration is his obsession with the far left, because it’s a small reactionary group and simply doesn’t compare to the far right phenomena. You can’t compare caring too much of the left with fascism and the constant endemic purposeful disruption and lying on the right.
The apologists are a vast minority
The book America Last offers an illustration of how none of this is really that new. But certainly social media today is a type of accelerant. I kind of view what’s happening on the right today as a reaction to dealing with all their failed policies and tropes that have been largely invalidated by a new world. Things like “wars for freedom”, “shopping for healthcare”, “deregulated markets”, “deregulated global trade”, “trickle down economics”, “government deficits will ruin us”, and maybe few more I’ve failed to mention, are not totally useless notions, but their failures have thrown the right’s political compass into a tailspin. Throughout history, conservative minded people do not simply throw their hands up and join the progressives when their ideas have been proven wrong.
All of those failed Republican policies were never meant to do what they composed to do.
That's why they failed.
Neitzshe was right ✅️ on a lot of stuff. That's what made him go crazy.
Would be nice to get the interview in full instead of bits and pieces.
Too teasing this Clips first method, right?
Yet, better than nothing 😜❤️
Nothing today damnit we shouldn’t have complained 😢❤️
I mean it's one thing to be more sympathetic to Israel but to call the counry that has all the power, stealing land, killing more civilians than most wars the oppressed is crazy
so we should turn over the state of Israel to Hamas? Explain.
Sam is basically saying Islam is to blame right?
A decent clearinghouse of baffling topics of the times. Thx guys
Oh dear, and here he goes again: Israel and Jews are one. Criticizing Israel is therefore antisemitism. How can a smart man be so stubborn and wrong?
Because the enemies that Israel is fighting (Hezbollah and Hamas) see Israel and the Jews as being one and the same. Just because american critics of Bibi and the Israeli government employ nuance doesn't mean that Israel's enemies are that complex.
@@collinwright94 maybe that’s even more a reason to not fall into the same trap, don’t you think?
@@minkowski4dNo, because the American criticism often employs Hezbollah and Hamas apologia
Why does support for the Palestinian people have to be portrayed as "anti-Semitism"?
How about moral posturing that is devoid of critical thinking?
Horseshoe theory makes sense, even if it is unverified. I've seen it in my family, friends and co-workers that the more extreme proponents of liberal and conservatives values overlap and exclude my own position, I consider myself as a centrist.
Great podcast, as usual.
Only 40,000 have died what if it was 140,000 how worthless is a palestinians life.
Read uris cover to cover, balfour act, ben gurion and the u.n. golda moshe yitzhak ariel now bebe.
Enuf.
Israel did not work. The palestinians are prisoners in theur own land. Fatah was sidelined hamas encouraged and the persecution only increased.
Enuf.
Yes iran is menacibg but we have had enuf. No more killing in the name of democracy. No more.
Enuf.
The state of Israel is based on Bible mythology.
Sam used to be really big on IQ tests and evaluating different racial groups according to these tests. I’m wondering if he has changed any of his biases after watching MAGA for the last near decade
Doesn't seem like it.
That does not seem like an accurate statement unless it's just an overwritten way to say "SH thinks IQ tests are valid". Unsure why MAGA would change his mind on the validity of IQ tests...
@@schwubs convenient for him i guess. would be a good time for him to concede that intelligence is a trait of the individual rather than related to race
@@davidhoover3347 its not a good look for Caucasians who rank high on his list of those with inherent intelligence. since MAGA is a good control group (at least in america) due to its size and outspoken nature. now i dont believe that the majority of white americans are stupid but it makes me think about why so many are taken by this obvious con job
Literally no one is allowed to criticize Israel without being deemed a supporter of Hamas. It is one of the all time historically bad analyses by Sam. He has become the thing he has railed against - someone blinded to any reality by an irrational belief.
Looks like Jordan Peterson is falling for the Trump cult 😢😢😢
Oh sorry I didnt know that being against genocide was antisemitic if Israel is the perpetrator.
Hmmm, that sounds like a double standard.
Sam, you’ve really lost the plot here, buddy. You sound like Fox News dupe.
Stop calling them victims. They aren't victims. This is who they always were but were afraid to show it.
Double standard? I thought they were going to say why are we helping the underdog in Ukraine but not in Palestine? In that case, I would say it is because of the Oct. 7 Hamas attack.
I'm not completely sure if I'm refuting or supporting your argument, but wasn't the point that victim status is secondary? The relative strength or weakness of combatants is independent of who is more sympathetic/morally right/morally wrong.
Or more simply, the underdog is not always the dog you should back, no? A serial killer is often the "underdog" against law enforcement. Is he more morally sympathetic?
@@koch5000 moral sympathy works both ways in that case. Israel has a right to exist, but how much land should it have? Does it have a right to exterminate everyone who disagrees with it?
Both Ukraine and Israel are seen to be responding after being attacked. Underdog status has nothing to do with it
@@Crannogman4686 True, but hasn't Israel been occupying or blockading Gaza since 1967?
@@johnstewart7025 no
This "double standard" conversation is it's own double standard. There are a plethora of standards here and you only notice what's suitable for your own idealogical propaganda. Yes you have a good point about the ridiculous oppression frame for everything. Yet you both use that same standard persistently to defend Israel. They are ALWAYS no matter how wealthy and powerful framed as the oppressed. They are held to a higher standard by some groups and to a much lower standard by those like you. You ignore the theocratic ambitions on both the Israeli and American right to exclusively focus on Ielamists. It's a blind spot that makes you all blissfully unaware of how rational people, including the majority of the Israeli population, are stuck in between corrupt extremists with apocalyptic agendas.
THIS!
Trump has like 75 million followers (people who voted for him last time) so use of the word "cult" to describe his group, which implies a small group, is inappropriate. Rather, the word cult in this context is being used more like a pejorative attack.
Trumps popularity is a good argument against democracy. People seem to want to attack others to solve their problems. Its just kind if depressing honestly to see people blame immigrants. The poor and poc fpr their problems.
The calm dishonesty in that conversation is frightening and disturbing.
hows that? any examples?
Free Palestine 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸 Sam, GFY!
TDS is strong with these haters. And don't you think Arab money finances anti-semitism.
Per Sam there can be no criticism of Israel or you are an anti-Semite. Got it
Also Israel is Jewish and Jewish is Israel, a criticism of either is anti semitic. .
Sam swigging straight from a bottle of vodka. Legend
I like Liz Cheney too, I think she is honorable and decent, but what are the things that are happening on the far left that you are talking about?
Sam Harris is my favourite new intellectual... He is the best, a true pleasure to listen to .... even though he slipped bigtime then at the triggernometry podcast, or the time he hosted Destiny after his fanatical insane comments over that ill fate firefighter who lost his life during the 1st Trump assassination attempt.
I like that the conversation jumps around so much as to not really get into the the deep meaning of any of these issues, and or how to solve them and stuff like that
This is an AWESOME episode!!!!! Needs to be on all news channels. Thank you!
Take the word, Jew or Jews out of this conversation and talk about a nation surrounded by potential enemies and ask yourself why are the enemies and why can this not be resolved if you cannot come back to at least one of the sticking points being that there is a population of people cotton limbo with nowhere to go and no rights no freedoms no guarantees of Liberty, you can pretty much guarantee that you end up with Americans who would say this is wrong not wanting to agree with us not wanting to agree with terrorism not even wanting to condone it, but if you can’t be honest and look at the fact that Israel has put itself in a position where it makes its own enemies Then you’re being disingenuous to the entire conversation . I’m a native American and I am all for Israel defending itself but at the same time, I also see why Hamas exist and I see how it’s able to recruit and I see that it’s not going away no matter how many you when people are left feeling hopeless and aimless go to any level they truly understand the concept of what have I got to lose?
Almost completely disagree with the parenting take here
It’s a strawman argument. There’s other ways to tap into authenticity without recklessness
Some of this....too much actually, is painful to listen to. And weirdly anti intellectual
Agreed.
😅😅😅 so the double standard for harris is against the i s r a eli???
Too funny.
Great episode
Simply said, this conversation is a lot of Bull____.
Accurate.
Fantastic, like Sam I have always voted democrat, but would feel immense relief if Liz Cheney or Mitt or John Huntsman (fellow motorcyclist) was the candidate. Liz and Huntsman in particular. I could see Liz as president 🇺🇸 🇮🇱
Yeesh
Let’s hear from the “Islam is the mother load of bad ideas” guy on the Israel Palestine conflict! Jesus Christ!
You don't think Islamic ideas are morally bad? On what basis are you okay with the doctrines of that religion?
I don't share many values of Islam, I think women are humans not slaves.
He certainly never has any complaints about the Jewish faith or Christianity, right?
@@Crannogman4686 who gives a shit? He does but his hobby horse is “radical Islam” and if you read his books like I have. If you listen to his podcast like I have…..then it’s not a shocking statement.
Sammy has turned into a little wussy over the years.
4:02 oh here we go 🤨 Both sides are not the same.
Cheney or Romney?
Wow, Sam.
IKR
That is the Trump derangement syndrome speaking
Anti semitic?
I am familiar with the turtles all the way down, what does turn over all the turtles a mean - examination metaphor???
Sam bashing muslims again. Nothing new.
bashing Islam is totally legit. He's not bashing individuals. We are allowed to bash ideas.
@@Conn30Mtenor His 'moral landscape' is defending the child killing jews , whatever they do.
Ok, second listening, turn over turtles 🐢 = fvcking up something working, their legs are only on one side , yes they go slow but they work , on the back they die. I feel like earlier in the podcast the term was introduced ? Striking phrase
`murica`s overdue twilight of idols
I like Sam Harris for his common sense 👍
Wish everyone could hear this
One of the most important discussions. So true!!
Double standards and what causes it? Anti Semeticsm. What planet are you on? It is a decades old Israeli illegal and brutal occupation of Palistinan Territories which is exclusive to Israel. It is not a religious conflict. There are consequences to this so own it and stop blaming others.
Israel's existence IS LEGAL.
@@Conn30Mtenorthis isn’t about Israel’s existence. It’s about millions of stateless people trapped in Israel.
Israel under Bibi is completely opposed to a two state solution.
@@Conn30Mtenor Yes but not on the occupied territories.
"Democracy" holds the same status in modern society as the Bible had/has for religiously oriented people. It is sacred. It may be as empty as a Scandinavian church on a regular Sunday, but it remains inviolable. People have a special inclination for sacred things. It could be a social system or a tree root; it doesn't matter. And language alone seems able to carry this function. I live in a highly secularized country, yet people still use terms that originate from a time of religious thinking and that should have disappeared long ago. In the same way, people will continue to speak of "democracy" as something with an inherently positive meaning long after it has completely collapsed. That's just how people work. There is an inertia built into our conceptual processing of things, and language is the eternal companion of this inertia.
Sam is TDS patient zero
Any actual arguments besides playground nicknames?
@@acslater017 Argument about what? Whether Sam’s take on Trump is so extreme and irrational that it contradicts his entire persona as Mr. Rationality? I’ve listened to Sam talk about Trump for many hours, and I prefer to stop now.
@@avengemybreath3084 How could one be overly concerned about a President that tried to overturn our democracy? If you don't understand that basic fact, start there instead of parroting memes and nicknames.
He assigned fake electors, then instigated a riot to physically stop the election. His staff wrote a 900 page book about how they're going to do it again and fill the government with ideological loyalists instead of civil servants. He openly told a crowd on the campaign trail that if they vote for him once, they won't ever have to vote anymore. He openly praises authoritarians like Xi, Putin, Kim, Orban, and even A.H. Putin brought large wars to conquest back to Europe for the first time since WWII and Trump said Putin should do whatever the hell he wants.
Someone like that was the President and is trying to be President again. How in the world is being concerned with that "Deranged" or irrational?
What is so deranged about his criticism of trump?
@@Crannogman4686 did you watch his Triggernometry interview?
if you care so much about israel move there and be a good citizen there,we are discouraged from flying any other flag but when it comes to israel i am forced to fly its flag.
No one's "forcing" you to fly the Israeli flag. Wtf are you talking about?
I think some of the Jew hatred comes from the book of Revelation; I also think the book of Revelation is problematic. What I mean by that, is that the Old Testament and the New Testament go together like a hand in a glove, the book of Revelation on the “other hand”, not so much….
Equally concerning, although possibly just coincidental, it is book number 66 of the New Testament!
I could campaign for Liz Cheney, too. Heck, I'm listening to this wearing an Our Great Task T-shirt.
Yeesh
Dude, sam harris and donald trump debate. That would be amazing. Dont think sam could keep his cool though, dude haaaattteesss trump. Irrationally so.
What would the point of that be? Trump can't convey a lucid thought.
Kamala Harris destroyed Trump in a debate. I don't think Sam Harris would have much difficulty doing the same.
If Trump is speaking, it’s total bs. Moronic!
I would too!! At least Mormons know how to run stuff. 😂
Yeesh
3:10 Superb analogy, I suffer from the same, that killed Harold Ramis of Hollywood fame. The guilt of decades and centuries past, had been laid down so thick, it's now like a cancer. I really respect Sam, and I think he's met an intellectual match.
How on Earth can you claim that someone who never has his ideas challenged by others and refuses to debate anyone who disagrees with him is an intellectual? And especially someone who makes broad, sweeping generalizations about hundreds of thousands of people?
Maybe it's proof that spiritual forces are indeed real. If so... never mind.