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Dr. Temple Grandin - "Humane Animal Slaughter" - Part 1
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- Опубліковано 8 сер 2024
- Dr. Temple Grandin speaks on the subject of "Humane Animal Handling & Slaughter" at the Canadian Coalition for Farm Animals' conference on "Delivering Humane Food in Canada," on October 24th, 2006. Dr. Grandin is the world's foremost designer of humane slaughterhouse systems, and is also a high-functioning autistic person. Full 1 hour 20 minute video available at www.humanefood.ca
Although I am a vegetarian, I greatly admire Dr. Grandin and her work. I disagree with killing animals, of course, but that does not mean that everyone does. The 97 percent of the population that consumes meat should at least respect the animals they are using for food, and humane slaughter methods allow them to do just that.
Temple Grandin is a direct and clear teacher. Her ideas are brilliant. She has done some wonderful stuff for the humanity of slaughter.
Temple Grandin sees further, understands deeper and does more for animals than any of you
It's the autism 😄 we have super powers but the world isn't ready for that
Temple Grandin is an intelligent woman and a genius when it comes to animal welfare!
Slaughter can be human. We don't bite it til it dies, we don't claw it til it dies and we do not strangle the Animal.
No pain, horrors, suffering. Just a blitz and no pain.
I support her. I am very into humane Slaughter.
Much better than what i have seen they do in countries like Afghanistan and such places.
Chili+eyes=Pain. Though it results in the cow moving.
NOT humane!
We are a part of the food chain and I am glad that someone is trying to make the process of meat production more humane. I also want to point out the obvious position of our eyes...they are in the front of our head and not on the sides...we are predators. The boasted vegan acreage argument is compelling but, only possible due to the genetic manipulation of food plants and chemicals now used. Is THAT a great alternative? Clearly, we need to approach ALL food sources from a different angle.
what a really amazing person
I think it's more like she's capable of understanding how animals think. This is a very intelligent woman whose thought processes work in an unusual way. I know no disrespect is intended when people say she "thinks like an animal", quite the opposite really but that always sounded to me like her mind was more primitive than that of an average person. She's more like a veterinary psychologist, knowing what causes a cow to panic etc.
@SirLaurenWilson
What do you know about her work? What have you done to prevent the suffering faced by livestock anumals? You are clueless.
@cuteblanca we are not carnivores, we are not herbivores, we are OMNIVORES, meaning we are made to eat everything. And yes, all things in moderation. But this is not about WHAT we eat, but rather how we treat what we eat.
@SirLaurenWilson she does it because she cares about animals she sees that ppl will not stop eating animals so she found a way to make the end peaceful rather than scared and upset!
If they smell it, they don't seem to be bothered by it. My guess is they don't associate the smell with danger because of their sheltered lifestyle, or perhaps they feel more confident while grouped with other cows.
She was surprised by this, too. She's observed cows balking at a shiny stripe of floor in a blood puddle, whereas if the puddle of blood was intact, they would have ignored it.
Where do you think the milk that they are allergic to comes from???
I used to be vegan. I was obese before becoming vegan. I didn't lose any weight while I was vegan. There is plenty of vegan junk food out there. It irritates me when people promote vegetarianism/veganism as a way to lose weight and be healthy. You can have a crappy diet as a vegan. I did. You can also have a very healthy diet as an omnivore. My diet still isn't where it should be, but I probably eat more veggies now than when I was vegan.
@Majikbeemer Are you serious? The animals couldn't care less whether it's a "trick" or not. They don't have the brain capacity to think like that. All they care about is running away from things that scare them. They, among with all other living creatures, are programmed to do so. When you take away what scares them - they are no longer scared. Would you like to die scared or calm? ... I'm pretty sure the animals would like to die calm, too.
I have a question for Dr G.? Don't the animals smell the blood at the slaughter plants. When I was a kid, all the cows would get crazy, when one of the cows slaughtered. thanks. B
I bet you don't know who Dr Temple Grandin is. She's the best advocate for humane treatment of animals in slaughterhouse--EVER! Read her book, "Thinking With Pictures". My Professor recommends her.
@pjorden321 Good point if you are talking about grain fed meat,...but Many parts of our country (and the world) are too arid or rocky to realistically grow plants. Grazing animals who forage for their own food can be raised in these areas where crops requiring a regular input of lots of water cannot.
No, But I think I would rather they go peacefully than slowly beaten to death or slowly butchered alive..
@RicRagsLive No, people eat meat because it is concentrated protien and calories. We are programmed by nature to seek out richer food sources. I know I have the choice to go vegan, I choose not to because I see no logical reason, not because its what the group is doing.
Get over yourself.
@conyelp actually many people who work in these types of places do so because they don't have many employment options. A good friend of mine had a cousin who worked as as a psychiatrist near a slaughterhouse... he said about %90 of his patients worked at the slaughterhouse and are traumatized by their work.
@Ladywill508 Thank you for the link...it will be added to my favorites!
wow 11 people hate autism that or they missed the like button...
OK - I disagree but see your point. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
They will probably try to stop Grandin's designs from entering the wider market now that it has been revealed she is HFA. Too bad there are already a number of things society has to thank HFAs and others on the spectrum for, and cannot do without.
@ediblered I can imagine myself working at a slaughter house but I wouldn't feel like those people you describe. Remember when Temple was standing beside the cow with her hand on it's side? She said it was perfectly calm and had no idea what was going to happen to it. I could be part of Dr. Grandin's slaughter system to provide meat for us human's. Let's stop this exchange, you and I just see this differently.
honest and excellent summary :
Yes, you are absolutely right about the living conditions on factory farms--that's unacceptable. I was solely referring to the slaughter methods, here. I think that our next step needs to be to eradicate factory farms so that animals can have a good life AND a peaceful death. Of course, my preference would be that no one consumes animals at all, but realistically, that won't happen anytime soon. I did watch the documentary, and I agree--there's no way to justify those pigs' living conditions.
i like her, shes smart and so right. I hope that it becomes more humane for animals.
Bless Temple Grandin
I'm an omnivore, but I tend to eat more meat than veggies..
I respect this woman's work. Days of old how they killed a cow.. Sledgehammer to the head or just slit their throat..no stunning or nothing. As for the sledge? I'll assure you, it took more than just one swift shot..
I worked in food service for 11 years, the amount of meat products sold is outrageous.
Worked in two restaurants that had a "Wing night", and both places EVERY Tuesday they sold AT LEAST 14X's 40Lb. cases of chicken wings.
to beaelliott and the man upstairs also told us about the parable of the loaves and fishes so where does that fit into your logic
@SirLaurenWilson
I avoid meat as well. However, people are not going to suddenly stop eating meat anytime soon. In the meantime, if you read her books or studies you would see what a HUGE difference she has made to the animals who are killed. Which is worse? Being tortured then killed? Or being calm, then killed By ignoring her contributions you do nothing to help the billions of animals that are slaughtered each year for food. She has made a huge difference.
@DredWolfster your words "dehumanize the animals they slaughter" seem really funny to me because they aren't HUMAN! The companies don't have to do anything to dehumanize them, they were born dehumanized.
I love u Temple... God Bless
@antsea111 she actually adresses hala and losher slaughter on her website at :
grandin.com
I guess I agree with 'Reez578', who said: "If animals must be killed for meat, I would like to know it has been done in the most humane way possible, most painless and the least stressful." The key words there are "if" and "must", though, don't you think?
Yes but what about how their treated beforehand? Perhaps humane animal slaughter, in that split second of been killed and few minutes of been brought in, is justifiable but what about their lives beforehand? I'm mainly thinking of those animals on factory farms. Here's a documentary I found about a common factory farm, trying to glamorize themselves ---> watch?v=88gBI5NYANU But still how could one justify the space these pigs live in? Which is common for them? That's the real problem w/ it.
@vgman94
maybe
Wow, a buncha tree huggin' hippies around here! Man didn't claw his way (note the lovely political incorrectness!) to the top of the food chain to suvive off of salads!
@SirLaurenWilson - Sorry sirlauren.. I see in an earlier post that you are a vegan. my mistake.
halal even - I need a new keyboard !
@RicRagsLive I never claimed to be a nutrition expert, I only said its natural to seek out richer foods. Notice your friend didn't put the troops on a vegan diet... . I for myself found that when I tried going vegan, had no energy to get through my day. So after six months of trying, put some meat back in my diet and have never felt better. Also, I'm a horse trainer, with exposure to cows, so I know first hand that our teeth and GI tract are NOTHING like theirs.
According to Leviticus, the "big guy upstairs" loves slaughtered bull burnt to cinders on an altar, with lots of fat and blood.
"He shall kill the bull before the Lord ... Then the priests, Aaron's sons, shall lay the parts, the head, and the fat in order on the wood that is on the fire upon the altar; but he shall wash its entrails and its legs with water. And the priest shall burn all on the altar as a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, a sweet aroma to the Lord.
She so cute bless you temple
Maybe its possible to think a step ahead and make it so that animals would simply love to get slaughtered. Get them hooked on to going down slides, and then whee.. slaughtered !
We don't "need" to do a lot of things that we do. Whether or not something is necessary doesn't automatically make it moral or immoral.
Using a computer, despite its destruction to the ecosystem, could be considered an immoral practice but doesn't NECESSITATE it as such.
@profearoum Yeah. And to answer your second comment's question: They must just fear someone who's different. These are the same kind of people who pretend animals don't feel pain. That's my theory anyway.
Well, if it's increasing the efficiency of slaughter, then it seems...I don't know, I don't want to say "counterproductive" because I guess it's a "good" thing to reduce suffering, but I just get a sense that she's devoting her time to something that doesn't address the core issue.
I haven't eaten flesh for 5 years - nor eggs/dairy-I eat a wide variety of nuts, fruits, vegetables and grains-My blood pressure, cholesterol and weight are right on the mark. Also haven't been sick for eons....
Please, B12 might be the only vitamin a vegan or vegetarian is "challenged" to replace - Pitiful excuse to slaughter 10 billion animals a year for.
And yep, you're right - my moral view is that killing for the mere satisfaction of "tastebuds" is barbaric.
@SirLaurenWilson -You a vegan?
I've never understood the position of being a vegan on the basis of not harming living beings. Flora are living beings also, and if certain resarch on their ability to percieve the world around them is at all credible, then they suffer as much as fauna do when being harvested. I'm not trying to be a jerk here- I actually prefer to kill wheat 'cause I like the taste of cereal for more than any kind of meat out there- I'm just curious as to your thoughts on this matter. thanks
Aren't these just methods for increasing the efficiency of the slaughter?
@jmdnarri That's fair. At the same time My original comment had nothing to do with nutrition. I was saying killing is killing. It's not humane to do it. And since I have never felt better being vegan I can't relate to your story.I think it's a good way to avoid having any part in the cattle industry. Since it causes a huge amount of pollution. and is inefficient since it takes 10 times more food in VS out. Oh and heart disease which is the number one killer is caused by a high meat diet.
der...yea you saw what I meant. I don't speak on this topic often and I was just mad and forgot. Of course HERB=VEGI and OMNI=ALL
I agree, Murder is Murder by any name!
Most people eat meat and will carry on doing so. Some feel guilty and some don't give a dam. Although vegetarianism and veganism is growing it will be a long time, if ever before everyone follows suite. I've shown Meet your Meat and distributed Why Vegan brouchures downtown. I also help the CCFA. Last year I gave out post cards to try and improve standards for transporting animals. Some told me they could never stop eating meat but thought animals should be treated better.
@googlebear6 well she just doesnt seem like it
@cuteblanca
its happen
I'm vegan and never turning back.
@conyelp - This women is advocating a "proper way" of killing. Well consider this, when you come across a serial killer or murderer, please tell him that the next person he plans to kill, that he makes sure he does so in a "HUMANE WAY", then the person will not suffer and the world will be a better place.
Look animals are going to be slaughtered, that's just the way things are - isn't it better for people to work to improve the process rather than sit back and go "well it shouldn't be happening at all so I don't care about making it better."
Not all skin clothes are made by skinned-alive Animals.
The True spirit of he Lent season fasting....un-pained food is zero Karma. If we discover a way where animals are rendered painless before eating them, we become Hu-mane. For instance, in the natural world male-Lions (who 99% of their life) do not kill to eat (it is the lionesses that mostly go hunting), have grown a kingly-Mane(sounds similar to HuMane?)...besides,unlike other predators lions do not start eating the animal till it is totally dead(atleast 9 in 10 hunts)...As Humane-humans, we ought to follow Dr.Temple-Grandin who is advocating painless-methods of handling animals.
and the milk comes from? Cows....
OK that made no sense so I'm going to stop this thread.
@ThumperBunny43
Just be glad they are killed for food and not for fun. Killing for fun, now I find that disgusting. Also, we are omnivores, we need meat. Besides, predators kill for food. Is that cruel and unnecessary.
@ediblered I can't imagine not being able to find any other work and staying with a slaughter house when it traumatizes you. Looks like that phychiatrist fellow would encourage them to find other work but then he would loose the fee they pay to see him too.
Even I can appreciate de Grandin’s ideas, still the concept of humane slaughter of an animal individual that doesn’t want to die does exist!!!
The most respect we can have for animals is to let them be in stead of killing 74 billion each year, it’s crazy and absolutely immoral to do because we can live and thrive easy live a life on vegan 🌱 lifestyle!!!
But that’s my opinion!!!
In response to aspie182: There is no stopping Grandin's designs because they are already being used on a large scale. It has long been known that she is autistic, anyone who attempts to use that against her at this point only hurt themselves.
@sixtiescatfight lol she wouldn't want to be SLAWTERED! lol!
@magnolia0919w Of course you don't like the group think thing. Except you eat meat because you learned it from the traditions of the group. you also live in a country governed by an set of laws agreed upon by the group.
Strange that you are not living alone in the mountains??
I am a human being living in an industrialized society. I am expected to devote 10 hours of my waking life to working my job (including preparation and travel). I find it VERY difficult to find adequate sources of protein to pursue an active, physically fit lifestyle, without animal protein.
Give me a reliable source of all essential amino acids and nutrients to build muscle (yes, some us actually want to have MUSCLES on our bodies, not just be flabby, skinny reggaetons) and I will be the first to wholeheartedly adopt it.
I do not like mass animal husbandry, nor do I like monocultured crops artificially fertilized.
AFAIC we can change our society to one where machines do the production of consumer goods in factories and the people spend their lives growing, preparing and processing foodstuffs in an ecologically responsible way - by HAND.
It is going to take time to get there and idiot vegans lecturing about how bestialish it is to eat meat are just that - idiot vegans. Offer some suitable alternatives or SFTU
+Tom Nicholson Hey Tom :) Sorry to hear you've found it difficult to find good sauces so far. Have you already found your favourites? I just thought I would leave some suggestions, just in case. I eat a high protein vegan diet and i include the following elements as the basis of my daily which make getting enough protein super easy. Breakfast: including oats pumpkin seeds nuts soy milk and flax (I have a big tub of cereals all mixed up in the cupboard). Alternatively, Tufu scramble (not unlike scrambled eggs but higher in protein and other nutrients and less saturated fat and cholesterol. smoothie with oats mid morning. Lunch including 1-2 cans kidney beans or similar with a grain (I bulk make lunches for the week, either cold or frozen). Dinner including one of the following: lentils, pulses, minced soy beans, tofu tempeh, seitan or TVP chunks with a grain. Snacks are often based on beans, mushy peas (17g protein for a little can) or hummus and I like to makes healthy sweet snacks/bars out of nuts, seeds and blended beans or oats and dried fruit too, there are lots of these recipes online and again easily made in bulk. These are also comercially available (nakd bars, etc) I also eat a very high volume of green vegetables. The actual volume you eat will be CONSIDERABLY more ie you;re going to use a mixing bowl to eat out of and your calorie intake will likely be higher, but you wont get flabby and you will be getting much more nutrients into your body, whatever people say, the quality of calories DOES matter! Also these foods are usually LOADS cheaper in bulk at 'ethnic supermarkets' don't waste your money on tofu and lentils and nuts at the supermarket they're robbing you blind! Hope that helps alll the best. :)
eat beans for protien
bacon tastes good.
@conyelp Yes, killing animals is so "kind"...
Alright I haven't seen the full thing but it seems to me that she is interested in increasing efficiency of these slaughterhouses, and it being more humane is more of a side effect. Though she is doing good, I am still strongly against any and all factory farming as efficiency always take precedence over being humane.
if u take away all the meat u wouldnt need the land to raise the animals which would then be used for crops. using the land for crops would produce much more food at a lower cost than if it would have been used for animals. i understand its a freedom of choice and its my choice to not eat any animal products
@SirLaurenWilson Read your Bible, we are superior to the animals, Christ ate meat. If animals are killed with some respect and dignity shown what's wrong with that? Which means they shouldn't be tortured to death. That's what Temple Grandin did, she came up with a way to kill them so they don't suffer fear or trauma. If people choose not to eat animals, their decision but why should the ones of who do be made to feel like outcasts?
she affects me.. =)
@kilroywashere123 I don't eat animals :) lol I know she is brilliant in the mind but her supporting animal slaughter isn't right.
Well I'd disagree. I think in-vitro meat, which is a lab grown form of meat (but essentially the same thing) involves no animal suffering and I believe that this could replace the conventional meat industry which involves animal exploitation. But I do agree that factory farming should be banned in the mean time and free-range farms should exist until in-vitro meat can replace it. I think in-vitro meat could replace the conventional meat industry& really has to, by around 2050 to save our ecology
deanmullen10 Don't quite understand....
I HATE MOST HUMANS! I HOPE AFTER THEY DIE THEY COME BACK AS A PIG, COW, CHICKENS ON THEIR NEXT LIFE!
@roxie2120 well I think everybody hates autism, just not people with autism.
I find that a lot of food companies will dehumanize the animals they slaughter to make them seem okay to eat. So a fast food restaurant that serves chicken may make the animal look stupid and goofy. But if they were to potray the animal to look beautiful, intelligent or godlike then that would probably make it harder to stomach.
@RicRagsLive Idon't care about social groups or activism. Just logic and pro's VS cons.
Raising cattle causes the most pollution, it is torture of animals, a waste of food and water since it requires 10 times the food in then what you get out. And animal fat causes heart disease which is the leading cause of death in humans. You follow long standing traditions weather they are good or bad. it makes you a follower of the crowd, Everyone says they are an individual but we all live together.
@magnolia0919w Excuse me but the is no reason to pigeon hole one whole group i.e. "American Leftist" you are just as guilty by labeling a whole group of people who may not agree with you also. No reason to call out some one as left or right beause they do not concur with your position.
oh go figure the crazy rambling bum turns to violence now.
If someone humanely killed you or someone you know would you be okay with that?
Very much so. We been voted for assisted suicide in Colorado.
Yep!
A baby lettuce doesn't have to. My mother bought a kind of lettuce the other day that's packaged in a plastic container that keeps its roots intact so that it stays alive while you store in the fridge. Today I made a turkey sandwich and used a leaf of that head of lettuce. But before I tore off that leaf I kind of had to work up the nerve because the thing was still alive and the feeling was the same as if I had been looking a the turkey that provided the slices of meat for my sandwich.
ARE YOU A COWBOY
Last week the AWI and FSIS released a 5 year study titled "Crimes without Consequences". It documents slaughterhouses frequently have violations to the "humane slaughter act". Many animals are dis-assembled while fully concious.The FDA shows little concern to correct these problems. There's a 15% chance that what's on your plate was tortured before death.
"Humane Slaughter" is a contradiction in terms.10billion times a year! Go Vegan!
This report is on the AWI website see for yourself....
Your argument is irrelevant. Most animals are tortured before anything be it animal human, eats it.
@jmdnarri That's odd since the human digestive system is exactly the same as every other vegetarian, not to mention the dental structure. You eat meat because you were raised that way nutrition has nothing to do with it.
I think more people should not get jobs in factory farms because why would somebody want to hurt so many animals?
Anyone who thinks slaughter can be humane is an insane & violent person - exactly what Temple Grandin is. She and any animal "advocate" who supports her should be ashamed of himself.
@sixtiescatfight So killing an animal when it doesn't have to die is empathetic AND humane? Perhaps we should reconsider these words. Humane means to treat with compassion, sympathy, and tenderness (and mercy when it's required). "Humane slaughter" is an oxymoron in a world where it is not necessary for human survival, health, or prosperity. "Realistic"ly, by eating like this, we WASTE enough food to feed hundreds of millions more people than we do. This is not humane.
@jmdnarri I don't pretend to be an expert on the subject of nutrition. What I do know is how it works for me.
Being vegas has made me feel good. A friend of mine trains the army special forces and puts them on a strict low meat diet as he finds it slows them down.
Not too mention the china study which was the largest scientific study done on diet and nutrition and how it realated to disease. Bottom line less meat less cancer, more meat more cancer. That science not propaganda.
Pfff the things people will say or do to continue stuffing their faces with meat at every meal, while shutting their eyes at the sight of these animals' living conditions. The most disgusting has got to be the phony argumentation. As if there was something 'natural' about Big Meat. Some talk about predators but this is a factory, something totally different we're talking about. Most people would be too queasy to kill and prepare their own meat anyway. But they talk tough online...
+alleygh0st People like you and your militant ideas don't help animals!!!...Like it or lump it people eat meat and will continue to until it becomes extinct....Therefore at least make their handling and killing more humane..They need help NOW
Janica j
I don't really have a problem with people eating meat. Let them handle the killing themselves for a change is what I'm saying. At least once in a while.
Also it is not environmentally friendly
@conyelp I don't think its humane to eat animals. Its gross and really unfair! I think that this woman used her talent in a Wrroooong way! You see these animals Disserve Respect LOL
200 years ago she would have been talking about how to "humanely" own slaves...
I totally agree - there are very few things on this planet as vile and cruel as halal and kosher animal slaughter. Truly there's no evil quite like religiously motivated evil.
This lady is pure evil.
Cry
Gonna cry?