Firewire Seaside VS Lost RNF Retro
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- Опубліковано 7 жов 2024
- Comparison of the Firewire Seaside to the Lost RNF Retro. Fishy shootout :-)
Seaside 5'11" 22 3/4 41.1 Litres
RNF Retro 6'2" 22.25" 43.5 Litres
Worth noting you can get the RNF in C4 epoxy if you want a comparable board That's a similar size for it's float.
A couple of things I would like to add to your review:
1) Seaside is a lot wider than the RNF Retro but the tail a lot thinned out
2) RNF IMO has better sizing dimensions while the Seaside jumps in sizes and liters making it easier to dial in your dimensions you feel comfortable with.
3) RNF has more drawn out turns like a classic fish while the Seaside is a bit more HP because the tail is so thinned out.
4) RNF is a better paddler. I tested the 5’4 RNF with less volume comparison to my 5’6 Seaside and it paddles as good as more volume to the SS. I think the reason is because the volume is evenly distributed across the board while the Seaside has most of the volume up front.
5) lastly HE tech is lighter and lasts longer than tradition PU.
Great comments mate.. Couldn't agree more.. Think i called the seaside width wrong at one point.. I dont do a plan or scripts or many retakes once i'm going so it's not always perfect :-) Cool that the difference in thickness distribution still sticks out at those smaller sizes and yeah totally agree that the RNF draws a little more carvy retro lines than the Seaside.. Cool that you tried them the other way round in sizes and still found the same in the design. Appreciate your input and support comments are spot on
Was the sound any better? Think I can get a bit more volume on the mic if i make some adjustments .. cheers.
GO SURF sounds clear to me. You could turn the volume up just a bit.
GO SURF I was lucky enough to ride Nate’s exact boards seen in Surf N Show. My Seaside was posted in IG with the Sea Shepherd fins.
wef 0909 far out that's cool you got to rode Nates board. I'm guessing your a really good surfer too if your riding them that small. Do you get to ride Trestles?
Great comments from Wef below.. Worth reading .. especially if you are looking at the smaller sizes as he's tried both boards too.
Great feedback havent made the final decision yet so ill let you know Also bought a 9'6 special T today cant wait to try it out. Went for the T over the gem because I wanted a real glider for small waves.😎
Nice work mate.. I had the 9' wingnut and loved it then got the 9' Special T and that was like the wingnut but more high performance to turn then I got the Gem and loved that and sold the special T but then still wanted a single fin and something with more volume so got another Wingnut for the really small stuff.. All great boards in their own right really all have slightly stronger suits.. Pretty sure you will love the Special T..
Yeah I reckon whatever you loose in weight as a percentage take about half to 3 quarters of that same percentage at the most away from a volume your already pretty comfy with and you will get the benefit of boards being easier as well as being down a size in a few rather than just making it hard again but your riding a smaller board.. Here the waves are pretty weak a lot of the time so to little volume just doesn't get going even at 10 kg lighter.. Saying that if I lived somewhere more powerful I would probably be fine down at 40maybe 38.. I have had a back opp though so still need stability in a board
@robwallace360 what decision did you end up making?
Shoowee looking trim and athletic. Another great review the new mike works well. I think I might go down to a 5'9 based on your comments my end weight is going to be 82kgs in a few months so I'm going to size for that. What do reckon?
Cheers Rob.. Can't remember what else you said your used to but you were saying your pretty tall and 90 currently aye? Have you been riding some boards down at 37 Litres before? If you confident go for it if your unsure and used to 40 Litres maybe stick with the 5'10" I was panic rethinking volume after loosing some weight but if you calculate your weight loss as a percentage and remove that same percentage from your volume it not necessarily that bad and if your already used to bigger boards it makes the same ones easier.. Does mean it's slightly harder to get a rail in though... So what i'm saying is (and hope my maths is right) if you were 90 and you get to 80 that 11% difference so if you said 10% for making it easy and you found say 40 litres a nice paddle volume then .9 x 40 litres is still 36 and I would still go on the safe side of that so Yeah the 37 could be ok in a seaside if your already used to something that's say 40 or 38 buy if your used to say 42 in an epoxy 37 is a fair difference.. Hope that makes sense .. If your already a good surfer and have ridden 38 Litres before in something else the say 37Litre seaside i suspect will still paddle like it's 38.. You do loose a lot of trim speed as boards get shorter too though.. That's why i dont do 5'8" 5'9" anymore they can sometimes float good but not move forward so good.... Anyway bit of an essay but yeah just rack your brains and think about what you have already ridden and if you know your not struggling too much on a 38-9 litre board at your current weight then yeah you might want to take a chance on the smaller one .. Cheers.
how about the rnf in 5.10 vs the puddle fish in 5.10.
I can't decide...
The Round nose fish Retro VS Puddle fish? or the new round nose fish 96 lol too many options. Between the Puddle Fish and the RNF Retro I personally like the RNF Retro better myself but depends on what your after. If you want a grovel board RNF Retro if you want something with a little more performance a little less retro and closer to a puddle jumper you might like the Puddle Fish. Cheers.
hi. which board would you consider for an intermediate surfer? i ride a 7 ft fun board. i'm 5'9" 182 lbs
Hi mate. I kept both for a long time but just hd a second spine surgery so sold both just before that. There both excellent boards. You can’t go too wrong with either. Probably let your preference for epoxy or PU or if you like your boards a bit heavier and more planted drive your decisions or even if something pops up second hand at a good price. The two I had were different lengths and volumes too so even my experience and outlook probably a little swayed. The retro rides a touch more retro and a little less slippery really depends on your style. If you like longer turns with good speed carry the retro is a little more of that and the seaside will perform a little more bit again all relative to what size you get. Both are excellent boards. Hope that helps
Hi! Well, I have the chance to buy a RFN Retro 6.0 (40L), a Christenson Fish 5.8 (35L) and Seaside 5.8. I live in the Netherlands, basically crappy small and weak windy waves. I already have midlength for catching waves but I feel it as a boat. Regarding a fish, Should I go for volume or for something short that "fits" in the waves? is it 6.0 maybe too big? Cheers
Hi Mariano. What is your weight and ability and what volume do you usually ride say in a hybrid or shorter board or have you just been on the midlength. 40L 6'0" RNF would be great all round if your in weaker waves, average ability and dont get waves all the time and say over 80KG Christenson and seaside also be great boards but will need a little more of a wave and also a little more rider ability. I would say if your over 80KG and average and used to a midlength these boards will need probably 2-3 ft for you to really get them going at the lower volumes but I ride pretty over volumed boards as we also have very weak slow waves so most shops would probably recommend the smaller ones..Also fin set up is the Christenson a twin and the rest quad or 5 plugs? Might affect your choice.. I know people that are very happy with all of those boards from a design point of view so there isn't really a a bad board in there just a question of the right board for you and your waves at the right size for you to get what you want out of it.
@@lawson45uk Hi! Thanks for you nice reply. Much appreciated. I am a 6.0 guy and 83Kg. My surfing skills are intermediate when I travel and surf in ocean with some power, so I easily catch waves, go rail to rail and I am doing my first turns (not a problem, I have been surfing 30 years with bodyboard). When I surf in The Netherlands I have problem to catch waves. My regular shortboard that I am used to is a 6.2 39L but didn't work here... Then and I bought a midlength to catch more, since I saw everybody in the with longboards... But I don't like the feeling of a 7.0 in small waves, much better in bigger waves. So muy other option is going with small fishes and grovelers that I see around here in Netherlands (Puddle jumpers, potatoes, chumlees, retro fishes...). We have very fast beach breaks with hollow small faces, you only have a quick chance to surf these waves. So the 40L of a RNF would help me for paddeling but, wouldn't be too big for those waves? Thanks!
@@marianogalan9332 Yeah that's sill a tough one sounds like ideally you need a longboard and a fish.. I think if you have a 39 Litre shortboard the RNF would still be a good choice give you a better chance of getting to your feet stably and in early but if you surf fast beach breaks I can see how you might like a smaller board to fit in that tight pocket.. I still think RNF is a good choice, it's a board that's really nit that hindered by a little extra volume and with the side cuts and the speed and dive it produces with the wide tail and quads. Or you could look at a seaside at maybe 5'9" or 5'10" I think if your comfy with your shortboard volume at 39 the RNF at 40 is a nice choice. It's really easy to surd and has excellent flow and maintains speed all the way through the turn from one to the next. I t generates speed and alows you to to harness that speed in your turns.. One you get down to 5'8" etc the boards don't have such great forward momentum for paddling and gliding the voulume might float you but it won't propel you forwards as good but again I would lean towards the more volume than less as my personal preference.. RNF retro for me has really flown under the radar it should be right up there in conversations with the Seaside in my opinion.. Especially for being a more balanced easy to surf board with more glide. The seaside maybe a youch more performance and handle a slightly bigger wave in the right size but 2-4ft waist to just overhead waves I like the RNF.. Have you seen the surf and show and real watersports reaviews too Worth a watch.
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@@lawson45uk Thank you veeery much for such a detailed explanation. Keep going with your reviews!
Hi!!!! I’m trying to make my mind between this 2 boards (helium and c4 construction). I’m a beginner but I get kind of bored using my 8’7 submoon. Also I’m a very light (155lb. 5’10) but very weak paddler. Which one would you choose as the best paddler easy to use? Sizing?
Thanks!!!!!
Hi Marting.. Thanks for getting in touch. Both great boards and would work for an improvers early short board so either would be ok. For you I personally would give the edge to the RNF as I think it will take to being ridden in a higher voulme for your rider weight better than the Seaside and also be a little less slippery. It generates it's own speed really well and is very user friendly to ride. I think it's also a little longer for the given volume which will probably be good to keep it stable. The C4 looks and feels great and there really well finished the ones that I have seen.Volume wise probably good to check in with the shops too as I dont have much experience with people your weight but as a beginner or improver i think the goal would be to have all the volume you can carry without it feeling boaty and corky and still being low enough on volume for you to learn how to duck dive (if you can't already) Looking at the volume guides and sizing i'm thinking maybe a 5'10" RNF at 37 Litres possibly you could go one either side. If you go Seaside 5'9" should probably be the biggest one you consider. Run it by some experienced shop guys too and they probably wont these days but dont let anyone put you into a sub 30 litre board or anything crazy like some people would have 10 years ago. Firewires volume calc at that beginner / intermediate stage runs you about that same 37 litres .. for total beginners it has you at the same or more volume than I ride The most I would throw at an RNF for you would be 40 i think and seaside 5'9" is pobably the biggest for you. I think overall I would say go for an RNF 5'10" .. 5'11" if you really want to max that volume for you. Hope that helps thanks
Great that your so light too your lucky you can get a board your hight or less that will float you :-)
@@lawson45uk what decision did you end up making? are you happy with it?
What would you recommend for a beginner/intermediate for the Seaside? I’m 5’11 200 lbs, between the 6’0 and 6’1, will the extra volume make a huge difference? Duck dives etc.
Yeah I probably wouldn't go any bigger than the 6'0" i'm a bit lighter but boards start to loose their sensitivity once I get to 45 litres for me. Depends on what your wanting and what your used to though.. I say the seaside paddles like around a litre more than you would expect so if your good on a 45 litre hybrid or a puddle jumper or similar this is going to paddle better for the same volume I would say. A lot of the volume is in the nose too.. I think on this board the extra 1.5 litres is maybe more likely to get in the way than help so if you think your gonna be ok at 45 or even 46 litres i would still get the smaller of the two.. Hope that helps.
what did you end up getting?