I love the idea of something high revving, but I wouldn't underestimate the wear at sustained high rpm due to the forces involved with the piston speed... depends on replacement budget. I don't think it being a cast iron block engine makes sense, so quite a few engines ruled out there. An alumium block LS makes the most logical sense, but please don't do it, too boring now 😅 Something small and turbo is just going to melt IMO. 458, and just prevantiatively maintain it and you'll have something incredible. Audi/lambo V10 can take some abuse, maybe that makes more sense really. 4 rotor would be a dream, but you'll have to turn into an enguine builder during your learning journey.
Thanks for this excellent information. I'm a bit concerned about the turbolag on a small displacement, because we need the low end torque to get the boat on plane. What do you think?
VIPER V10 enough TQ to send it to the moon and all the displacement to run it forever with little maintenance. There is also the when in doubt LS swap it with a procharger kit for specific marine applications.
I know they've done rotaries in light aircraft, which demand constant revs, and that The Twelve Rotor (currently owned by Rob Dahm,) was a custom unit meant as a marine engine. Figure a 20B or a 4-rotor could be built to make enough power reliably - heck, there's 13Bs making 500+hp. I also know people have also gotten a lot of power reliably out of Honda K-Series engines, which should be reasonably lightweight and can be built to get a lot of revs. Either will have to be turbo and modified to get 500+hp, other than maybe a 4-rotor...which will generally be a custom build anyway, as Mazda themselves only built those for racing.
@@jankortelandwatersport8483 Honda K-Series engines are very common, in everything from Civics to CR-Vs. It's a matter of finding the right one and figuring out which aftermarket parts to use - there's a huge knowledge base out there, and someone's used a highly hopped-up K-series in a Jet Boat. They need modification, but there's a lot of guys making high-three and even four-figure power numbers out of 2.0 and 2.4L K-series Hondas. The 3-rotor Mazda 20B engine is a good deal rarer, only sold, I believe, in Japan, but people build 20Bs and 4-rotors out of 2-rotor 13B parts and custom items. They're going to have eccentricities due to being rotaries, but should make a really interesting and exotic build.
@@jankortelandwatersport8483 Yeah, most guys making big power with a 2-3 rotor or a K-series are turbocharging them. It seems like you can maybe get mid-to-high 300 HP numbers on a K-series Honda Naturally Aspirated, but that's kind of it, stock they make around 200hp-220hp in the high-performance applications (Civic Si, Integra Type R). The guys making 500-1000+hp are turboing them. The 13B was an optional turbo from the factory, except for in the RX-8, and made around 200-270hp stock depending on the model, not exactly sure what's reliable max power nowadays since the engines are so quirky. The 20B was only sold in Japan in the Cosmo, and made around 270hp in stock form, but because rotaries are _kind of_ modular, people have built them using 13B parts and custom intakes/exhaust/cranks or stuff from 20Bs. Mazda themselves only used a 4-rotor engine in race cars, so people with them in street/track cars built them themselves. I'd advise looking into the aftermarket for both engines and especially connecting with enthusiasts of those cars/engines if you want to build either type. Same with something like a Lambo/Audi engine, to be honest.
Gyro stabilizers are now available in smaller sizes. Maybe one onboard could make the overall performance and handling better. Although the added weight.
I don't know how it was brought to this channel but I am really liking it makes me want to do some things with my little 16 foot Au Mirror Craft & as much as I love my lil 40hp Suzuki outboard that is so dang reliable this channel really makes me wanna do some modifications to it
2:09 If you want to keep with the Scandinavian theme have you considered a Volvo T6 strait 6 engine? It is possible to pull som hp out of this. Can not say I have heard of anyone that has tried this, and it keeps to the Scandinavian theme since that’s is where the Fjordling mostly are ?
Honda k series. Cheap. Reliable. Lightweight. Powerful. Lots of aftermarket support. Boost it to whatever power level you want. Run two if u need more.
HONDA K series Type R engines are light, high revving, capable of 500 bhp naturally aspirated and they spin clock wise. Stance works K swapped his Ferrari 308 GTBi with very encouraging results.
What about the BMW V10, s85. Quite powerful and the sound would be amazing. The Mercedes M 120 could be quite nice too. That’s basically the Pagani zonda engine. My last idea would be the BMW M73 engine. That’s the V12 out of the 750i
this might be long shot but Christian Von Koenigsegg did buy number of flat 12 boxer engines (subaru derivates or something like that) long time ago as potential engines for his cars i read that there were also variants for off shore racing of them company producing them was called Motori Moderni try looking into that
Jankees, for stability I will definitely go for the double zdrive option, but if you want something that no one has done yet in a Fjordling, then I will put a Rolls Royce m250 turboshaft in it, depending on which option you choose they are available from 420 to 720 hp, then you have one engine from the Bell 222 Airwolf in your Fjordling! (Fjordwolf)
OK that would be insanely cool and we won't need a heater on board. How does a turbine work with throttle demand? As we use the throttle to control the boats behavior
In a helicopter you control the power of the engine by turning the collective handle, (the amount of fuel that is injected by the fuel pump) how quickly the engine responds to the throttle is the question? in a piston engine there is a lot of resistance when you release the throttle which quickly lowers the rpm, I don't know if that also happens so quickly in a turbine engine, the guys from agent jay z, they have an insane amount of experience with turbine and jet engines and run race boats with these engines, they can tell you exactly how these engines respond, you can ask them, I am very curious how the project will turn out, good luck.
@@jankortelandwatersport8483 yes you can simply fit a disc brake on the output shaft, i expect that it will only be about quick changes in rpm and power to control the boat, because the engine is a split shaft design, this way you are only braking the output turbine, while the turbine driving the compressor still has full momentum and at full throttle, so i expect a quick recovery of power also when you release the brake, in theory it seems to work to me, but will it work in practice? the only propeller turboshaft powered boats i know of are the unlimited hydroplane, and the big cat offshore boats, but are not really a good comparison to predict the outcome, interesting but risky.
suddenly i see the problem why it wont work, all turbine boat applications have one thing in common, all these engines are started in gear, its start and go, there is no way to engage the gears in the zdrives, these engines idle at almost the same rpm as at full throttle, only at idle there is no power available, so shifting at 6000 rpm at idle, will happen with a big bang and immediately stall the output turbine, it all becomes very complicated then, i have only one thing left to say Lamboling!
There was a guy in the Netherlands, I even think you know him, (on UA-cam as phantomlspower) who built a LS engine in a Phantom 21 with Bravo One, Black Hawk and later on a IMCO drive.They achieved 557 crankshaft hp and reached a topspeed of 95mph/6500rpm with a Mercruiser Black Hawk drive plus 29P props. Later on they mounted an IMCO drive. I don`t know what the endspeed was with that drive. That could also be a good engine choice. Success with the renovation/transformation,
It is indeed a great engine but has a massive gearcase and I heard a Fjordling runs the best with maximum 300hp single outboard because of the torque and COG. That's why we think of twin outboard, short racing engines or inboard. Or maybe a 500R with a custom torquemaster gearcase?
having seen the audi 2.5 5cyl getting more and more popular in the states and the tuning opportunities for them are endless. 6 or 700 hp with new turbos and a better air intake and to mention the weight and maintenance its probably one of the easiest ones with the parts being available. Maserati used to use the same engines as Ferrari so you could find them cheaper there
I'd not go with ilmor as valves are not solid they are fild with sodium I think and the 2 I worked with both drop valves and I think the parts are getting low now
I would highly recomend talking to the norwegian guys. Here in norway we have some crazy 80-90knots + fjordlings. And those guys really knows their stuff. And they really know fjordling 17ht and jan herman linge's designs and the understanding of it very well. Im from norway my self and drive a old nordkapp 17 with mercury 125. So nothing extreme. But yeah, talk with them, let them give u the headsup and improvments :) LOVE THE PROJECT!❤ Ps the mazda engine would be awesome power to weight potential! Just watch out for the seals and the constant load.
Im looking forward to see how this amazing project turn out :) Gonna be crazy 🎉🎉 My favorite build must be Sander's carbon fjordling. Fully carbon inforced and fully carbon roof with that mean dark nardo grey.. looks awesome!
I’m a gm guy but am biased towards the Nissan rb as a favorite! But my suggestion as a marine engineer would have to be the Aussie Barra engine! Check em out! They effortlessly make 600hp! And there’s not really much effort to double that! If you want more than that then all you got to do is ask! Everything is available for these! Compared with some of the engine options you listed you could have 2x 1000hp Barra engines running latest generation turbos and Haltech! Looking on UA-cam for Barra tuning there’s plenty! and one I’ve been watching a heap and think is pretty well put together is explicit racing! Check em out on here if you’re interested!
You can get a maserati f136 egnine, they occasionally pop up for sub 2500 dollars from totaled cars, high reving 400 plus horsepower Ferrari assembled. They supposedly run VW sensors on most of it so you could run a unlocked VW ECU. Buy a Ferrari intake manifold and no one will know the difference. It's actually the same base motor from a 458 italia with different internals I believe.
Audi R8 V8 had 420-438hp depending of Year model, and its weight 185kg as long block. Its drusump engine and rev 8700rpm. Really compact also. R8 v10 weight 220kg and also rev up to 8700rpm. Those are rotating clockwise But still outboard would be my choice for that 😎
It looks so much better with a big outboard, and espesially the mew Merc cowlings looks sick on it. If you could find a way to make it float with a 450/500r and give it a cool paintjob - that would be sick!
i applaud you and your balls of steel. Have you thought of twin Suzuki Hayabusa motorcycle engines. Light, powerful , high revving and a wealth of know how out there ?
There are a few mazda rotary powered jet sprint boats in New Zealand and Australia may be worth talking to. Also there are the nissan rb series and toyota 2jz engines to consider high power turbo 6 cylinder engines
I was just watching the webshop of yours and that u guys already put the boat for sale with the Ferrari f430 engine. Does that mean that you guys will just put that in?
@@vehiculemagazine så tilfeldigvis en fra Sverige som har fått ut over 1000hk/500nm @ 11000 rpm fra en 1,2 liter motorsykkelmotor. Det hadde vert sykt.
I’m a gm guy but am biased towards the Nissan rb as a favorite! But my suggestion as a marine engineer would have to be the Aussie Barra engine! Check em out! They effortlessly make 600hp! And there’s not really much effort to double that! If you want more than that then all you got to do is ask! Everything is available for these! Compared with some of the engine options you listed you could have 2x 1000hp Barra engines running latest generation turbos and Haltech! Looking on UA-cam for Barra tuning there’s plenty! and one I’ve been watching a heap and think is pretty well put together is explicit racing! Check em out! if you’re interested. Regardless of the engine and if the hull permits, a surface drive can’t be ignored! This may be one of the best reasons to ignore everything about an inboard and reason for an outboard!
Jan Cees, if you can still find 1 Mercury made years and then years back the BLACK HAWK drive with duoprop was the race version, That would be a really nice one should you be able to find 1 That would be special
Considering a boat really needs big end torque to pull the kind of prop a person needs to go fast, none of those options are feasible. Plenty of people spend a ton to reinvent the wheel. I'd start with what works. Chevy or Merc is king of big power over 5 grand all day long if you've got the fuel. What about a merc quad cam? The Euro. Junk will be melted down before a BBC is even loosened up good. A rotary is just a joke in a boat. Maybe talk jet turbine and I'll be on board.
With the Merc QC4V we will hit the moon so there is a limit in power. I think 500-700hp and we would really need to figure out the propulsion torque like I said with two drives for example. It's a small and short boat so we would need torque, yes, but it also planes with a 60hp outboard. Torque would more be an issue with turbocharged engines maybe? All ideas welcome
bmw s52 turbo. (96-99 m3) very easy to run independently with stock electronics. easily makes 550hp, total cost would be under $15,000 with all high quality components
I have a 400Hp helicopter turbine with a mass of 120Kg sitting in my garage, that would be a great fit for a Fjordling! 6000 rpm on the splined output shaft at full power, so should work well with a Bravo2 😊
As I'm not very familiar with turbines I might have some questions. First: How do you slow it down when you need to back off the throttle fast? And second: What is de minimal output rpm? To shift it in and out of gear? Anyway: the weight, power and peak output rpm sound perfect!
@@jankortelandwatersport8483 That's a good question. Probably would have to talk to Judd directly. An option to possibly source a used one would be racers in the hill climb community. Then send it to Judd for a refresh. It would definitely be the best sounding boat ever! It certainly has never been done. There already is a big yellow go fast in Miami that has Lambo V10's.
@@jankortelandwatersport8483 I forgot that his boat was just a poser Lambo with gauges, steering wheel etc. Merc 1550's so it's no slouch, but definitely not a Lambo. ua-cam.com/video/tWphY4LgJw8/v-deo.htmlsi=Db95titA0w6c7xiy
What about a porsche engine? lightweight, low center of gravity and high hp. Some of their engines rev up to 9000 rpm. Since their engines have flat 6, which are perfectaly balanced.
There is a big difference between Automotive engines that are in a car than there is between an automotive engine that is in a boat usually like if you buy a Mercury 5.7 it is a GM 350 5.7 the only difference between those two Motors is that the ones that are built for mercury one they have a little bit better work done in the ceiling compartment and they usually usually have a little more torque in a little higher power than you would find in the exact same motor you would in a car because of the fact of where the power band is
otherwise there are more examples of car engines in boats in custom/modified options. We're not going to drive it to work everyday and we don't do serial productions. Car engine would make sense then?
Nothing sounds better than a V8. The example in this video with the Corvette engine is proof of that. RPM range 'normal' (outdrive won't be overly stressed) Merc drivelines designed for this type engine.
Yes, also for ratios and propellers we want to stick to Merc outdrives when we go inboard. Or there must be some other perfect drive around from which we don't know?
@@jankortelandwatersport8483 Konrad has a good reputation but don't have any personal knowledge. Of course you know the Volvo drives were very hard to beat in the early days...Merc had a long way to go to catch up. Ironically the Volvo drive was a Merc design (Charley Strang) that Carl Kiekhaefer wasn't interested in pursuing so he and Jim Wynne sold the rights to Volvo and the rest is history. So close..; ) Suspect no driveline you pick will be taxed to any great degree by the Fjordling, Great boat, have fun i'll be watching!
@jankortelandwatersport8483 Just google Mazda 13b engine and you would find a great wikipedia article. It is the same wankel engine that was inn the Mazda rx7
Honda K24 - naturally aspirated if 250 hp @8000 rpm is enough. Turbo and 500+ hp is easy and RELIABLE! You can even get exhaust manifolds etc for marine use ready made. Example: ua-cam.com/video/roPS82cseAQ/v-deo.html An older Honda B-series engine actually runs counterclockwise from the factory. Also very tunable but max displacement is about 2.1 liters. Hp with tubo 500+.
@@vehiculemagazine For some reason my links get deleted. Its the GM ZZ632 crate engine. It will probably be approx. 290kg. Its not very much heavier than a small block and 2,5 times the power. 1004 hp and almost 1200nm torque NA - there is no substitute for cubic inches… You could run a diesel gear ratio with a small propeller with "normal" pich.
@jankortelandwatersport8483 I know it would be lighter with single drive and a lot more of a handful. But he makes a very good point about having two props counter rotating if you have high horse power.
@@flurprl4007 We can balance it out when we can rotate the propeller in the opposite way as the rotation of the engine. If not we can move weight to balance or consider the dual drives
How about two motorcycle engines ? They can be over 200hp now as standard. Two Ducati V4's would be lovely. Light weight and such a great sound. And I'm certain no one has done such a fitting before. Also Kawasaki have a supercharged engine that could be considered. Love the work you're doing. Cheers
There already is a Fjordling with OM606. VR6 is vintage cool, I remember having seen a video of a boat with one. Can't find it anymore maybe you know the link?
@@jankortelandwatersport8483 probably the most known one is the red boat sporting a VR6, but it hasn't a turbo. I'd suggest the OM606 or the VR6 both with some serious boost. OM606 over VR6 because fuel efficiency and easier cheaper to realize i guess, with boost both engines 500+hp durable possible. Here's the red boat link you asked for : ua-cam.com/video/1znwnYY9d8w/v-deo.html&pp=ygUOdnI2IHR1cmJvIGJvYXQ%3D
Isuzu 3jj1 is what you need look up CB media drag cars and also river boats . Heaps of torque U need a nice small diesel check em out they have there drag cars running 1000hp . 600hp will be amazing in that boat
early stroked & bored small (iron) block chevy...427 ci..aluminum headed..!.(not an LS).light compact..parts avabile...EVERYWERE..reliable...plenty of poneys & tourk..!..easy to work on...fun,fun,fun,,,!,,winner hands down...!
@@jankortelandwatersport8483 ...i never saw or herd of an "old" mercruiser...."sbc" of 427ci...!..350,400(?)...& 454 "bbc"...far as i know...the stroked cranks werent avable "way" back than...?..?....ya know..2 get the most bang 4 your buck...u cant beat a sbc..!..hey ya wana spend 4 times as much 4 comparable hp & tork...be my guest..!..it may sound & look cool if thats what your after...?..he was talk'n about an outboard & cut'n the transum anyway...so...?..?..
I drive a 300 evinrude g1 in mine. But personly i always wanted to do a supra 2jz engine in a fjordling, twin turbo 600 hp ish. Original supra set up like one turbo spoll low and next hige up. Mayby something you would try?
@ was considering S85 in mine but chose B58 m140i engine but because of difficulty to run the engine outside the car i landed on M57 diesel. Very simple engine for swapping
@@jankortelandwatersport8483yup, bought a B58 from sweden but after along time trying to get it to work outside the car i sold it and got my hands on a M57n2 with only 70k km on it. Going compound turbo and aiming for 600 diesel hp Running bravo one x with custom made lower unit by myself
Rob Dahm's 12 rotor...lol I mean It was originally meant to go in a boat..
Well he finally got it running lol should ask him
This is an epic suggestion!
To heavy for this boat 😞
@Goat-vy2bi c'mon at least fantasize about it bro.. Nobody likes a dismissal. Let the Captain make the dismissal
Any more info on this engine?
I love the idea of something high revving, but I wouldn't underestimate the wear at sustained high rpm due to the forces involved with the piston speed... depends on replacement budget. I don't think it being a cast iron block engine makes sense, so quite a few engines ruled out there. An alumium block LS makes the most logical sense, but please don't do it, too boring now 😅 Something small and turbo is just going to melt IMO. 458, and just prevantiatively maintain it and you'll have something incredible. Audi/lambo V10 can take some abuse, maybe that makes more sense really. 4 rotor would be a dream, but you'll have to turn into an enguine builder during your learning journey.
Thanks for this excellent information. I'm a bit concerned about the turbolag on a small displacement, because we need the low end torque to get the boat on plane. What do you think?
VIPER V10 enough TQ to send it to the moon and all the displacement to run it forever with little maintenance. There is also the when in doubt LS swap it with a procharger kit for specific marine applications.
YES! GOOD IDEA. any links to someone using that engine for a boat?
So basically the Ilmor setup?
I know they've done rotaries in light aircraft, which demand constant revs, and that The Twelve Rotor (currently owned by Rob Dahm,) was a custom unit meant as a marine engine. Figure a 20B or a 4-rotor could be built to make enough power reliably - heck, there's 13Bs making 500+hp. I also know people have also gotten a lot of power reliably out of Honda K-Series engines, which should be reasonably lightweight and can be built to get a lot of revs. Either will have to be turbo and modified to get 500+hp, other than maybe a 4-rotor...which will generally be a custom build anyway, as Mazda themselves only built those for racing.
Now we're talking. Are those engines around? And what about spare parts?
@@jankortelandwatersport8483 Honda K-Series engines are very common, in everything from Civics to CR-Vs. It's a matter of finding the right one and figuring out which aftermarket parts to use - there's a huge knowledge base out there, and someone's used a highly hopped-up K-series in a Jet Boat. They need modification, but there's a lot of guys making high-three and even four-figure power numbers out of 2.0 and 2.4L K-series Hondas.
The 3-rotor Mazda 20B engine is a good deal rarer, only sold, I believe, in Japan, but people build 20Bs and 4-rotors out of 2-rotor 13B parts and custom items. They're going to have eccentricities due to being rotaries, but should make a really interesting and exotic build.
@@jamesmchenry4708 Thanks. All turbocharged I guess?
@@jankortelandwatersport8483 Yeah, most guys making big power with a 2-3 rotor or a K-series are turbocharging them. It seems like you can maybe get mid-to-high 300 HP numbers on a K-series Honda Naturally Aspirated, but that's kind of it, stock they make around 200hp-220hp in the high-performance applications (Civic Si, Integra Type R). The guys making 500-1000+hp are turboing them.
The 13B was an optional turbo from the factory, except for in the RX-8, and made around 200-270hp stock depending on the model, not exactly sure what's reliable max power nowadays since the engines are so quirky. The 20B was only sold in Japan in the Cosmo, and made around 270hp in stock form, but because rotaries are _kind of_ modular, people have built them using 13B parts and custom intakes/exhaust/cranks or stuff from 20Bs. Mazda themselves only used a 4-rotor engine in race cars, so people with them in street/track cars built them themselves.
I'd advise looking into the aftermarket for both engines and especially connecting with enthusiasts of those cars/engines if you want to build either type. Same with something like a Lambo/Audi engine, to be honest.
I have a Mercedes om606 diesel in my fjordling. Need to fix the transom and lift the drive. To much drive in the water now
Saw a video of that. Really cool! Any tips you want to share?
lets see!
Still working on my M57 Fjordling, hope to be functional to the next Fjordling meet
@@VetleJntvedt You have the Diemmax version or making your own?
I marinised a 13B to a Volvo 290 drive back in the 1980's. Worked quite well, but low in torque. Needed trim tabs to get out of the hole quickly.
Gyro stabilizers are now available in smaller sizes. Maybe one onboard could make the overall performance and handling better. Although the added weight.
Do you think a gyro works at high speeds? Our steering corrections/reflections has to be outstandingly fast in boat racing not to crash
I don't know how it was brought to this channel but I am really liking it makes me want to do some things with my little 16 foot Au Mirror Craft & as much as I love my lil 40hp Suzuki outboard that is so dang reliable this channel really makes me wanna do some modifications to it
You should start!
2:09 If you want to keep with the Scandinavian theme have you considered a Volvo T6 strait 6 engine? It is possible to pull som hp out of this. Can not say I have heard of anyone that has tried this, and it keeps to the Scandinavian theme since that’s is where the Fjordling mostly are ?
That's a cool one. Any numbers of a tuned one?
Know that Brunberg Drifting is running 1000hp in his drift set up in Sweden. And that should be more than sufficient
@@bjrnarlauve650 Think 1000 would be a bit overkill but could be interesting. Thanks
But you don’t need to go full out, if you’re use a smaller turbo or a compound setup to get more power down low.
Honda k series.
Cheap. Reliable. Lightweight. Powerful. Lots of aftermarket support. Boost it to whatever power level you want. Run two if u need more.
Which cars are the K-series used?
yeah kinda boring or?
Isn't Boosted Boyz in Muricah building a jetboat with a K engine?
two-rotor fjordling! man... there has been made a ome606 conversion lately and im really hoping he does more videos if he gets that project going
HONDA K series Type R engines are light, high revving, capable of 500 bhp naturally aspirated and they spin clock wise. Stance works K swapped his Ferrari 308 GTBi with very encouraging results.
If you swap your Ferrari engine for a Honda one it must be a good one
That Fjiordling cleaned up really nice from her slumber.
Im surprised there arent more contra rotating I/O drive units
Yeah me too
Thanks. Didn't do anything more than strip and a wash. You like the inboard over the outboard?
@@vehiculemagazineso funny to hear you say Fjording😊 thanks from Norway 🇳🇴
@@josteincarlsen2905 I should start learning Norwegian then? 😁
What about the BMW V10, s85.
Quite powerful and the sound would be amazing.
The Mercedes M 120 could be quite nice too. That’s basically the Pagani zonda engine.
My last idea would be the BMW M73 engine. That’s the V12 out of the 750i
I know some examples of the Mercedes and BMW V12 but the V10 would be sick. Is that engine around a lot? Or maybe the 4.0 V8 from the M3?
@@jankortelandwatersport8483
That v10 is a bit rare.
Those mercedes and bmw engines were also what i was going to suggest together with mercedes V8's.
this might be long shot but Christian Von Koenigsegg did buy number of flat 12 boxer engines (subaru derivates or something like that) long time ago as potential engines for his cars i read that there were also variants for off shore racing of them company producing them was called Motori Moderni try looking into that
If you want a Ferrari V8, you can always use the engine from the California. I believe it’s the same in the Maserati as well
good idea
good a few other tips from the Maserati as well. Like the 4200? Or maybe the Alfa V6 which also came from Ferrari I guess?
Check out ppre from nz. They will build you a4 rotor that does 12000 rpm. Sits very low in the boat, no big engine cover taking space.
Jankees, for stability I will definitely go for the double zdrive option, but if you want something that no one has done yet in a Fjordling, then I will put a Rolls Royce m250 turboshaft in it, depending on which option you choose they are available from 420 to 720 hp, then you have one engine from the Bell 222 Airwolf in your Fjordling! (Fjordwolf)
OK that would be insanely cool and we won't need a heater on board. How does a turbine work with throttle demand? As we use the throttle to control the boats behavior
In a helicopter you control the power of the engine by turning the collective handle, (the amount of fuel that is injected by the fuel pump) how quickly the engine responds to the throttle is the question? in a piston engine there is a lot of resistance when you release the throttle which quickly lowers the rpm, I don't know if that also happens so quickly in a turbine engine, the guys from agent jay z, they have an insane amount of experience with turbine and jet engines and run race boats with these engines, they can tell you exactly how these engines respond, you can ask them, I am very curious how the project will turn out, good luck.
@@TheLM1961 Yes, that's the info we need. Can remember I ever heard that there was some sort of brake used to slow the engine down
@@jankortelandwatersport8483 yes you can simply fit a disc brake on the output shaft, i expect that it will only be about quick changes in rpm and power to control the boat, because the engine is a split shaft design, this way you are only braking the output turbine, while the turbine driving the compressor still has full momentum and at full throttle, so i expect a quick recovery of power also when you release the brake, in theory it seems to work to me, but will it work in practice? the only propeller turboshaft powered boats i know of are the unlimited hydroplane, and the big cat offshore boats, but are not really a good comparison to predict the outcome, interesting but risky.
suddenly i see the problem why it wont work, all turbine boat applications have one thing in common, all these engines are started in gear, its start and go, there is no way to engage the gears in the zdrives, these engines idle at almost the same rpm as at full throttle, only at idle there is no power available, so shifting at 6000 rpm at idle, will happen with a big bang and immediately stall the output turbine, it all becomes very complicated then, i have only one thing left to say Lamboling!
There was a guy in the Netherlands, I even think you know him, (on UA-cam as phantomlspower) who built a LS engine in a Phantom 21 with Bravo One, Black Hawk and later on a IMCO drive.They achieved 557 crankshaft hp and reached a topspeed of 95mph/6500rpm with a Mercruiser Black Hawk drive plus 29P props. Later on they mounted an IMCO drive. I don`t know what the endspeed was with that drive. That could also be a good engine choice. Success with the renovation/transformation,
Don't know him sadly. Can you tell me where to find him?
Found him, thanks!
It would be great with two sea doo gtx 300 engines with also the jet pump
Subbed, i need to see where this is going.
same
The new Mercury v8 supercharged 500R with a Port Jack would be my choice, can't think of a faster setup.
probably makes the most sense?
@@vehiculemagazinesense? Those US waterski boats have extreme engine setups, would be great to slap a big twinturbo’d LS in
It is indeed a great engine but has a massive gearcase and I heard a Fjordling runs the best with maximum 300hp single outboard because of the torque and COG. That's why we think of twin outboard, short racing engines or inboard. Or maybe a 500R with a custom torquemaster gearcase?
Yamaha 250 Sho on a jack plate. Nizpro tune. 332 HP. 250 kg.
@@stevemagnuson7051 You can even tune it to 575hp with a supercharger nowadays
Multi Rotor would be so amazing
having seen the audi 2.5 5cyl getting more and more popular in the states and the tuning opportunities for them are endless. 6 or 700 hp with new turbos and a better air intake and to mention the weight and maintenance its probably one of the easiest ones with the parts being available. Maserati used to use the same engines as Ferrari so you could find them cheaper there
Banks twin turbo supercharged duramax marine grade would be crazy.
Chevy LS family engine with a procharger. Light full aluminium engine
and up to 1000hp-.
do you recommend a specific one?
6.0 liter. Simple, relatively light and with a simple Whipple will make all the power you need.
I'd not go with ilmor as valves are not solid they are fild with sodium I think and the 2 I worked with both drop valves and I think the parts are getting low now
I thought the V10 was quite a robust machine. Maybe use it with other valves? What's your idea?
I would highly recomend talking to the norwegian guys. Here in norway we have some crazy 80-90knots + fjordlings. And those guys really knows their stuff. And they really know fjordling 17ht and jan herman linge's designs and the understanding of it very well.
Im from norway my self and drive a old nordkapp 17 with mercury 125. So nothing extreme.
But yeah, talk with them, let them give u the headsup and improvments :)
LOVE THE PROJECT!❤
Ps the mazda engine would be awesome power to weight potential! Just watch out for the seals and the constant load.
thanks for the tips. will connect
That's why we ask the community for help
Im looking forward to see how this amazing project turn out :)
Gonna be crazy 🎉🎉
My favorite build must be Sander's carbon fjordling. Fully carbon inforced and fully carbon roof with that mean dark nardo grey.. looks awesome!
@@SlowBurn1995 we will have updates on colors soon, so stay tuned
@@jankortelandwatersport8483 looking forward to it bro 🔥🔥
I’m a gm guy but am biased towards the Nissan rb as a favorite! But my suggestion as a marine engineer would have to be the Aussie Barra engine! Check em out! They effortlessly make 600hp! And there’s not really much effort to double that! If you want more than that then all you got to do is ask! Everything is available for these! Compared with some of the engine options you listed you could have 2x 1000hp Barra engines running latest generation turbos and Haltech! Looking on UA-cam for Barra tuning there’s plenty! and one I’ve been watching a heap and think is pretty well put together is explicit racing! Check em out on here if you’re interested!
Thanks. You're not the first mentioning the Barra. Would you go for the L6 or the V8?
That jacket, where you bought it? Or made it yourself? More pics anywhere? Greetings from 🇫🇮
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love the rarriling
You can get a maserati f136 egnine, they occasionally pop up for sub 2500 dollars from totaled cars, high reving 400 plus horsepower Ferrari assembled. They supposedly run VW sensors on most of it so you could run a unlocked VW ECU. Buy a Ferrari intake manifold and no one will know the difference. It's actually the same base motor from a 458 italia with different internals I believe.
Audi R8 V8 had 420-438hp depending of Year model, and its weight 185kg as long block. Its drusump engine and rev 8700rpm. Really compact also.
R8 v10 weight 220kg and also rev up to 8700rpm. Those are rotating clockwise
But still outboard would be my choice for that 😎
If you've got the budget, SCS dropbox arneson with a big block chevy (800 plus HP, practical). Otherwises a big block chevy with a Bravo XR
Think surface drives don't add the bow lift we need?
It looks so much better with a big outboard, and espesially the mew Merc cowlings looks sick on it. If you could find a way to make it float with a 450/500r and give it a cool paintjob - that would be sick!
🔥
short shaft V8 would be sick
i applaud you and your balls of steel. Have you thought of twin Suzuki Hayabusa motorcycle engines. Light, powerful , high revving and a wealth of know how out there ?
Thanks. The balls means we don't need extra ballast. Are those Busa engines available as crate engines? And reliable?
Mezger twin turbo engine (bigger turbos) would be great! Lots of parts available but still a trick, special engine
That would be cool!
What about turbo lag?
There are a few mazda rotary powered jet sprint boats in New Zealand and Australia may be worth talking to. Also there are the nissan rb series and toyota 2jz engines to consider high power turbo 6 cylinder engines
Any contacts?
@jankortelandwatersport8483 unfortunately not but there's plenty of videos on here might be able to fine a race team through their videos
I was just watching the webshop of yours and that u guys already put the boat for sale with the Ferrari f430 engine. Does that mean that you guys will just put that in?
458 is a custom order for a client
@ ahhh, now I understand it, thanks!
Just put an outboard on it a supercharged 250 sho is lightweight and makes 633 horsepower 👍
That last naming magic sounds so cool Fjordrarri or Fjerrari ?
Fjorrari
love both, you?
Mazda rotary engine with a alpha drive would be a nice light setup 👌
Great setup the one day out of 5 it runs right
agree
Boats need torque, lots of it.
@@johnmontag this is true, but would make for a very unique build
@@vehiculemagazine just out of interest what is the dry weight of this boat
How much does a marine Lamborghini v12? And are they too heavy?
too heavy
V12 Ferrari will be nice.but that's a bit heavy.
The w 12 Bentley engine is cool
too heavy
Mercury Racing SB4 7.0 if you can find one
What about two Honda k 20 or k 24 low weight high power and easy power
There also the seven marine engines!
lol
@@vehiculemagazine så tilfeldigvis en fra Sverige som har fått ut over 1000hk/500nm @ 11000 rpm fra en 1,2 liter motorsykkelmotor.
Det hadde vert sykt.
A ls7 would be really good 505hp 454ibs 7000rpm
Dual rotary motors would be equally unique and badass!
As we go for light and high torque, which one would you pick?
I’m a gm guy but am biased towards the Nissan rb as a favorite! But my suggestion as a marine engineer would have to be the Aussie Barra engine! Check em out! They effortlessly make 600hp! And there’s not really much effort to double that! If you want more than that then all you got to do is ask! Everything is available for these! Compared with some of the engine options you listed you could have 2x 1000hp Barra engines running latest generation turbos and Haltech! Looking on UA-cam for Barra tuning there’s plenty! and one I’ve been watching a heap and think is pretty well put together is explicit racing! Check em out! if you’re interested. Regardless of the engine and if the hull permits, a surface drive can’t be ignored! This may be one of the best reasons to ignore everything about an inboard and reason for an outboard!
I replied on your other comment. Thanks anyway
Jan Cees, if you can still find 1 Mercury made years and then years back the BLACK HAWK drive with duoprop was the race version, That would be a really nice one should you be able to find 1 That would be special
I know that drive but I'm a bit concerned about (after finding the drive) finding the right props. Do you know which props are used
Considering a boat really needs big end torque to pull the kind of prop a person needs to go fast, none of those options are feasible. Plenty of people spend a ton to reinvent the wheel. I'd start with what works. Chevy or Merc is king of big power over 5 grand all day long if you've got the fuel. What about a merc quad cam? The Euro. Junk will be melted down before a BBC is even loosened up good. A rotary is just a joke in a boat. Maybe talk jet turbine and I'll be on board.
With the Merc QC4V we will hit the moon so there is a limit in power. I think 500-700hp and we would really need to figure out the propulsion torque like I said with two drives for example. It's a small and short boat so we would need torque, yes, but it also planes with a 60hp outboard. Torque would more be an issue with turbocharged engines maybe? All ideas welcome
bmw s52 turbo. (96-99 m3) very easy to run independently with stock electronics. easily makes 550hp, total cost would be under $15,000 with all high quality components
Sounds interesting. Any links to that tune you mention?
I have a 400Hp helicopter turbine with a mass of 120Kg sitting in my garage, that would be a great fit for a Fjordling! 6000 rpm on the splined output shaft at full power, so should work well with a Bravo2 😊
As I'm not very familiar with turbines I might have some questions. First: How do you slow it down when you need to back off the throttle fast? And second: What is de minimal output rpm? To shift it in and out of gear? Anyway: the weight, power and peak output rpm sound perfect!
How about a Tesla Plaid setup, system power over 1000hp. Would be a first I guess.
Judd V10? Prob too spendy? They sound great though.
what price?
@@jankortelandwatersport8483
That's a good question. Probably would have to talk to Judd directly.
An option to possibly source a used one would be racers in the hill climb community. Then send it to Judd for a refresh.
It would definitely be the best sounding boat ever! It certainly has never been done.
There already is a big yellow go fast in Miami that has Lambo V10's.
@@lutherbonow5047 would be great to have some more info on that twin lamb go fast
@@jankortelandwatersport8483 I forgot that his boat was just a poser Lambo with gauges, steering wheel etc. Merc 1550's so it's no slouch, but definitely not a Lambo.
ua-cam.com/video/tWphY4LgJw8/v-deo.htmlsi=Db95titA0w6c7xiy
@@lutherbonow5047 twin 1550's ain't bad. Thanks anyway
What about a porsche engine? lightweight, low center of gravity and high hp. Some of their engines rev up to 9000 rpm. Since their engines have flat 6, which are perfectaly balanced.
A Toyota 2JZ or Nissan RB26 would also be an awesome high revving engine.
you're not the first telling us so this might be a serious option. Any links to those engines in boats?
What do you think about a jet drive ?
Nope. We need traction in the waves
M139 Maserati engine. 430bhp, cross plane crank, cheap as chips to buy…
You know Rob Dahm has the perfect engine 4 u;)
no
hmm such tough choices! rarri?
Rarri is by far the coolest but we need the community to help us finding the right rig. Any experience?
There is a big difference between Automotive engines that are in a car than there is between an automotive engine that is in a boat usually like if you buy a Mercury 5.7 it is a GM 350 5.7 the only difference between those two Motors is that the ones that are built for mercury one they have a little bit better work done in the ceiling compartment and they usually usually have a little more torque in a little higher power than you would find in the exact same motor you would in a car because of the fact of where the power band is
otherwise there are more examples of car engines in boats in custom/modified options. We're not going to drive it to work everyday and we don't do serial productions. Car engine would make sense then?
U need shift 2 or 3 gear
Love to see porsche flat 6 engine
BMW 6cyl turbodiesels can be pushed for huuge hp:s and you can fit 2 easily.
Those BMW's are quite common in boats. Which one would you recommend?
Nothing sounds better than a V8. The example in this video with the Corvette engine is proof of that. RPM range 'normal' (outdrive won't be overly stressed) Merc drivelines designed for this type engine.
Yes, also for ratios and propellers we want to stick to Merc outdrives when we go inboard. Or there must be some other perfect drive around from which we don't know?
@@jankortelandwatersport8483 Konrad has a good reputation but don't have any personal knowledge. Of course you know the Volvo drives were very hard to beat in the early days...Merc had a long way to go to catch up. Ironically the Volvo drive was a Merc design (Charley Strang) that Carl Kiekhaefer wasn't interested in pursuing so he and Jim Wynne sold the rights to Volvo and the rest is history. So close..; ) Suspect no driveline you pick will be taxed to any great degree by the Fjordling, Great boat, have fun i'll be watching!
Mazda 13b would be awesome
any specs on this engine?
@jankortelandwatersport8483 Just google Mazda 13b engine and you would find a great wikipedia article. It is the same wankel engine that was inn the Mazda rx7
@@TheJensss Thank you
Honda K24 - naturally aspirated if 250 hp @8000 rpm is enough. Turbo and 500+ hp is easy and RELIABLE! You can even get exhaust manifolds etc for marine use ready made. Example:
ua-cam.com/video/roPS82cseAQ/v-deo.html
An older Honda B-series engine actually runs counterclockwise from the factory. Also very tunable but max displacement is about 2.1 liters. Hp with tubo 500+.
dope
any examples of that in a boat?
There's a hyabusa based V8 that reeves to around 10-12000 rpms
OMG
That's sick. Any links to that running?
@jankortelandwatersport8483 JFC racing, I believe they have a video of it running
What about a blown V8 like in the australien Burnout Cars at Summernats ?
Will be too heavy maybe?
@@jankortelandwatersport8483 but power to weight ratio will be good. they run that kind of engines on flat bottom boats to.
What about a jet drive or turbine drive?
Jetpump is not suitable if we want traction in the waves and we concern about the throttle response of a turbine. But all ideas welcome!
Just be done with it and install the zz632 crate engine. Best way to keep it simple and have enough HP.
link?
Too heavy.
@@vehiculemagazine
For some reason my links get deleted.
Its the GM ZZ632 crate engine.
It will probably be approx. 290kg. Its not very much heavier than a small block and 2,5 times the power.
1004 hp and almost 1200nm torque NA - there is no substitute for cubic inches…
You could run a diesel gear ratio with a small propeller with "normal" pich.
never heard of it, thanks. Did they use it in boats yet?
I don’t know. The smaller ZZ572 has certainly been used.
Cosworth GMA ❤
Are those still around?
The Audi 5 cylinder would sound insane on a boat hauling butt, make it dual drive as well.
was such a great engine in a not so great car.(rs3) wonder how it is in the new ktm car?
with the 5 cylinder it would perform better with one drive I think? To save weight and drag?
@jankortelandwatersport8483 I know it would be lighter with single drive and a lot more of a handful. But he makes a very good point about having two props counter rotating if you have high horse power.
@@flurprl4007 We can balance it out when we can rotate the propeller in the opposite way as the rotation of the engine. If not we can move weight to balance or consider the dual drives
How about two motorcycle engines ?
They can be over 200hp now as standard.
Two Ducati V4's would be lovely.
Light weight and such a great sound.
And I'm certain no one has done such a fitting before.
Also Kawasaki have a supercharged engine that could be considered.
Love the work you're doing.
Cheers
Mercedes Om606 turbo diesel! Please 🙏 or a Vw vr6
There already is a Fjordling with OM606. VR6 is vintage cool, I remember having seen a video of a boat with one. Can't find it anymore maybe you know the link?
@@jankortelandwatersport8483 probably the most known one is the red boat sporting a VR6, but it hasn't a turbo. I'd suggest the OM606 or the VR6 both with some serious boost. OM606 over VR6 because fuel efficiency and easier cheaper to realize i guess, with boost both engines 500+hp durable possible. Here's the red boat link you asked for : ua-cam.com/video/1znwnYY9d8w/v-deo.html&pp=ygUOdnI2IHR1cmJvIGJvYXQ%3D
for what its worth if the boat is a rare inboard boat keep it a inboard.
The different design of the hull is rare. We want the coolest looks and best performing. Would you go inboard or outboard then?
Lexus lfa engine or the bmw v10 from m5
What about 2 - 3 mc engines?
what's a 3 mc?
@jankortelandwatersport8483 motorcycle
@@btlarsen So, if I understand you correctly you suggest two 3-cylinder motorcycle engines?
@@jankortelandwatersport8483 2 or 3 engines
Isuzu 3jj1 is what you need look up CB media drag cars and also river boats .
Heaps of torque U need a nice small diesel check em out they have there drag cars running 1000hp .
600hp will be amazing in that boat
but very important: does it sound cool?
Very cool can compound turbocharger them they sound amazing in a cloud of black smoke
Hydrofoil boat without jydrofoil wings?
that will be the future one day
No honda k series?
You're not the first to mention. Any examples of those in a fast boat?
how about a turbine engine. you will get a very low center of gravity, a lot of hp. easy to maintain. and very low weight
How do they handle throttle response? we need that to handle the boats behavior
Aussie Barra 6
any examples of those in a boat?
early stroked & bored small (iron) block chevy...427 ci..aluminum headed..!.(not an LS).light compact..parts avabile...EVERYWERE..reliable...plenty of poneys & tourk..!..easy to work on...fun,fun,fun,,,!,,winner hands down...!
So basically every (old) Mercruiser?
@@jankortelandwatersport8483 ...i never saw or herd of an "old" mercruiser...."sbc" of 427ci...!..350,400(?)...& 454 "bbc"...far as i know...the stroked cranks werent avable "way" back than...?..?....ya know..2 get the most bang 4 your buck...u cant beat a sbc..!..hey ya wana spend 4 times as much 4 comparable hp & tork...be my guest..!..it may sound & look cool if thats what your after...?..he was talk'n about an outboard & cut'n the transum anyway...so...?..?..
Use a Arneson surface drive
4 Rotor 🤟😎
For sale somewhere?
You want to be Different , How about a 4 Rotor Rotary and Jet drive Not a mercruiser leg ?
No jet. we need traction in rough waters
Also do u have a stand alone ecu for a Ferrari to run on water
This is interesting information to investigate. Any idea how it's done with other boats running Ferrari engines?
426 Hemi :-)
heavy
I think Fjordling is more NASCAR than software engineer.
lol facts
maybe cool to add something modern to a vintage boat?
What about a Cummins Diesel ?
Too heavy I guess?
rather do a ev version
too old
I drive a 300 evinrude g1 in mine.
But personly i always wanted to do a supra 2jz engine in a fjordling, twin turbo 600 hp ish.
Original supra set up like one turbo spoll low and next hige up.
Mayby something you would try?
supra OMG
I'm a bit concerned about the turbo lag with such engines. We need torque in low rpm to get the boat on plane. Or 2-stage turbo's?
Rotary please 14K rpm in the 1980’s makes me wonder what you can do now 🤔
14k!
use a Mercedes 606 twin scroll turbo.
Been done already
what about a toyota 2jz engine
link?
BMW S85 V10
nice one
@ was considering S85 in mine but chose B58 m140i engine but because of difficulty to run the engine outside the car i landed on M57 diesel. Very simple engine for swapping
@@VetleJntvedt So you started with the S85 in mind, went over to the B58 and eventually ended up with the M57?
@@jankortelandwatersport8483yup, bought a B58 from sweden but after along time trying to get it to work outside the car i sold it and got my hands on a M57n2 with only 70k km on it. Going compound turbo and aiming for 600 diesel hp
Running bravo one x with custom made lower unit by myself
electric outboard wit retractable hydrofoils and DC generator + small lifepo4 bank.
the future