Will You Get Sued for Sampled Beats?
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- Опубліковано 31 тра 2024
- If you make beats with samples, will you get sued for not clearing them? Kenny Beats explains why new producers probably shouldn't worry about sample clearance and I add my stories of big rappers not clearing samples, labels avoiding sample clearance and why lying about sample-based beats can ruin your career.
#kennybeats #makingbeats #beatmaking #sampleclearance
00:00 - Intro
00:49 - Producers Hate Sampling?
01:53 - Sampling is Lazy
03:24 - Sampling IS Hip-Hop
04:41 - Kenny Beats Says Don't Clear Samples
06:12 - Big Rappers Don't Clear Samples
08:39 - Madlib Never Clears Samples?
09:53 - Producers, Calm TF Down
10:28 - Don't Lie About Samples
11:17 - Loopmakers Are a Problem
12:21 - Kenny Beats Clears Samples
13:20 - Sample Snitches
14:35 - Getting Caught for Sampling
Use my sample packs and you won't get sued: djpain1beats.com/sound-kits
That’s because they don’t know, love & respect HIP HOP they just like what comes with being associated with it.
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Nothing about hip hop is respectable. Post NWA/gangsta rap, hip hop went down the drain
@@ceelothatmane9421 nah I definitely don’t agree with that. It also depends on your perspective……..mine is HIP HOP is me I have been involved with it since I can remember and I will until I die even if it’s humming. I would never even if I could throw HIP HOP away.
@@pwho405 yeah. I guess we got a different view. This world was a better place without it and before it. But most people who didn’t have to grow up around the culture influenced by hip hop don’t really have qualms with it. They be outsiders. Meanwhile people like me who grew up in Chicago and Memphis see how detrimental it is.
It’s like crack. You as an individual may love it, but once it permeates through a culture, that community is finished.
It’s already redundant. More and more ppl just need to wake up
@@ceelothatmane9421 thing is my guy…my first real time making a beat in the studio is probably around 83 Dj’ing I go back further than that…..so ion know what you talking about and neither do you. When I see bad ass Kids I don’t want all the Kids to die or go away I just want them to do better and realize their potential……same with HIP HOP.
Sample snitches
Telling on your business
I needed to hear this as a late up and coming just getting started. I wrestled my whole life with sharing my passion and hobby with others or even having it monetized to help me come up cause of the legalities of sampling, and Im in the lower class of incomes. Not rare in 2023. You and Kenny are doing Gods work. Bless ya'll.🙏
I always thought it was supposed to be the artist and labels legal responsibility to clear a sample used in a record before it is released for sale. However I think it is the the beatmaker's responsibility to tell the artist that the beat contains an un-cleared sample and provide full disclosure of where it was sampled from and what song/record was used provided that the beatmaker knows. Being upfront and honest would go a very long way...
Before I made beats for myself, I used to ask producers, once I had bought the beat, “what sample is this so I can get it cleared?” And I was always ghosted. It made me think they didn’t want me knowing their secret samples 😂😂 like nah bro I just need to know what sample you flipped so I can have a chance of approaching it from a legal stand point further down the line. I assume they figured it wouldn’t matter since it would cost a lot for me to clear or some shit.
Nah just don't snitch
Over the last few years I moved into playing shit myself but I still refer to myself as a "sample based producer" and I won't ever NOT refer to myself as a "sample based producer." It's the foundation of what I do. It's the foundation of the entire artform. It's just that simple.
IT's interesting how the art of sampling has changed the landscape of music but yet still gets so little respect. I made a video where I tried to sample records for 30 days. It wasn't easy and most of my beats weren't good. I don't know why people think sampling is lazy. Even though they are probably using a DAW and use sampled sounds. Like bruh. You don't mic up your own piano. You use a sampled piano sound.
Because eurocentricity got into their brains
I needed to hear this I'm sitting on a bunch of dope stuff and been afraid to put out. Pain stay dropping gems🔥🔥
this is a banger Pain!!
When the pandemic started, i wandered into Kenny's stream and discord plenty of times and picked up mad game..... We definitely appreciate BOTH of y'all in this community.. y'all some real ones fr
Always Love!
Thank you
Don't be worrying about sample snitches now, just wait a year or two when the labels start weaponizing AI. Even YT's own auto ID has started recognising melodies buried inside other music and its only gonna get better at it.
This AI does already exist and it's from Google which recognized samples from all types of artists in different genres for over 25 years and found even just "One Note" used from samples. This videos about are on YT easy to find and you might be shocked how bad it is if major labels gonna use this type of AI. The AI i'm talking about is specialized in Time stretched, reversed and pitched sampling including chopping as well. It's also sample snitches who came forward using this to find samples in songs because they got a sorry ass life but want others to suffer for it.
1986 Back in the days I use to make pause mix beats on a double tape deck stereo system . Couldn't afford a sampler ,but I still made it happen and let me tell you it's not easy but I mastered it. Sampling is not lazy , it's Hip-Hop .
Yeah this old ULTIMATE BREATS AND BREAKS compilations had a lot of beat makers in their feelings back in the day 😂
I hear you on this. I"m sitting on a lot of beats that have samples and I didn't want to put em out there because of clearance issues. When in reality, I'm no where even that big to get noticed. I mostly sample off of tracklib, splice, and certain loop kits if I actually want to sell the beats. The popular stuff or the vinyl from defunct labels I just do those for fun and put them on Tik Tok with no intention of selling them.
Put them out, what’s gonna happen?? They are not suing unless there’s money to be gained
most ppl don't get called out for samples on the small indie underground level just not big enough to even be noticed
EVERYONE PLEASE KEEP SAMPLING!! youre not gonna get caught unless your high up in the industry... dont limit ur creativity in fear of getting "caught" sampling, it's really just not realistic or worth thinking about unless your sampling extremely popular songs... keep digging....
Great video thanks for making this point. Music has become fun again by not stressing over samples
Well said man, you stay dropping gems. ✊🏼
Thank you for watching
Saw this go really badly for a person on the same label long ago. Their underground beat gets the attention of a car company, who wants to use it in their ad. Car company contacts label and publisher, who of course say yes to the sync immediately, and then give the artist the good news. He stays quiet about the samples, having already signed a deal that promised work would not contain sampes (the label knew very well there were samples, but you know the kind of CYA clause labels use). The undeclared samples come to light, and he loses the entire fee to the ensuing legal case.
Yep, and his reputation took a hit
appr this, got some good info i been needing
Thank you for watching
I agree with most of what was said in this video... But As a sample based producer myself, I can admit that at times I feel some aspects of sampling can be seen as "lazy".. for example, taking a whole loop and just throwing some drums over it and that's it .. I know there will be those who argue that that in itself is still a form of creativeness... But I prefer the sample base producers who are masters of their craft with sample manipulation, chopping, micro chopping, altering ,etc .. or even sampling with composing layered over it...
What did I say in the video that you are disagreeing with?
Loop it, chop it, reverse it, no one cares just create 🤷🏾♂️
Exactly right Bro! I produced "Diamenz" for Do Or Die and the hooke was from the old school classic "Diamond In The Back". I been producing since 1991 and I can play but I also sample to be versatile. Good video Pain!
I learned a lot from this, thank you
Glad it was helpful!
Not only does digging for samples take time but the creativity to make it yours. You learn more about the music of others then picking up a synth and tapping out some notes. When used in good taste sampling is way more labor intensive.
Everyone should be able to get inspired.
Thank you, Pain.
Mr Chow saying that sampling is lazy and stealing just demonstrates how much of a not serious person they are. Sampling has been a part of music basically from the start. The only thing that has changed is how we do the sampling.
Many of the best music, many of the most commonly listened to songs, have samples
Ever heard of Tipper, genius… most top notch electronic music is constructed with original ideas.
This stuff isn’t science rockets.
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(1) Okay? Nothing you said is actually relevant to what I said.
(2) Which is why the Amen break is so frequently used in electronic music? The Amen break is one of the most used samples ever. The Amen break being at the top of that list is substantially due to electronic music. If you remove all the electronic music that samples that break the Amen break goes from being one of the most sampled audio ever to just another sample.
So stop lying
You’re slow.
“Many of the best music, many of the most commonly listened to songs, have samples.”
Bullshit. The best music is composed from scratch. Sample based music is and has always been second tier.
I know EXACTLY that vinyl series. I bought 1 & then heard Premier say that and 🤯. It never crossed my mind(I was young, forgive me), and I was like, fuuuuuh, & I just supported That!!??? Never again!
We're old
As a music lover and producer, I can see why when someone finds out what sample they used and how they flipped it that they want to tell people” like do you guys know they used this “ - not to get them in trouble I’m assuming but more of a Ahhhhhh moment, although from a business perspective sample snitching becomes a hindrance
Love these sample related vids, honesty is extremely important to not burn bridges! I'm guessing replaying a sample for an interpolation is easier to obtain clearance? That would be a cool video on its own unless you already have one! :)
It’s easy in the sense that you only have to clear one not two copyrights
@@DJPain1Makes sense! Would be cool to see/hear how you remade that ginuwine joint and the story behind the placement. Unless you already have that video too.
Yep I made that video a few weeks ago @@grantasticbeats
Just watched! Super well explained as always man. Makes sense more recent decade artists are more privy to sampling and clearing@@DJPain1
I'm an Ant in the production world but sampling scares me. I wouldnt be cool with creating a song and then getting a copyright strike or taken to court. Sampling can be a massive skill, yes it's somebody elses songs but knowing where to chop and change is a skill. Even if you write your own music the chances are its already been done. Even with splice i stopped using it after the Justin Bieber incident. I agree new producers over thinking I am an examples of that I get no views but worry about getting sued 😅 anyway thank you for the videos Pain you keep my anxieties down.
You’re not going to court over it I promise 😅
@@DJPain1 😂😂
Some companies sign a artist/producers and they have access to a catalog of samples they can use because they have licences to a bulk of certain records. Stones throw records is a example. getting a deal with universal for example leaves certain things open for people to capitalize on. Smaller artists aren't so lucky. Places like Tracklib make the process easier but it's all based on the situation of the record. If I have 200 streams I'm not getting sued 😆
I remember that Vinyl Sample compilation, I even bought one of them, just to try out if I can make a Beat out of it, just like Preemo
You must be old too.
@@DJPain1 yeah I'm old...I grew up in the pre-internet era
They call it lazy because they have never spent time DIGGIN
Digging is fun af
Honestly, I'm more stressed about AI sample detection improving, and the TOS of almost every distributor having a clear policy against infringement. Lawsuits are improbable, but improved AI detection is almost inevitable. I love sampling, and have a collection of about 300 beats that I made from uncleared vinyl. But the 300 or so that have made it onto my Spotify are all cleared (a combo of royalty free, master clearance guaranteed, and making stuff in house). Very glad I have decided to future proof my collection as more and more of my income is starting to come from streaming.
AI is pretty terrifying
RESPECT for speaking on sampling. I agree - Anyone who profits off of HipHop and disrespects the art of sampling, just show yourself the door. You are disrespecting the creators and the culture, and apparently you don't even understand it.
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Usually when someone today says sample base, they’re referring to people who use loop packs and rely largely on anything the can find on Splice. How do y’all not know that that’s what people are inferring when they make these statements?
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I make the majority almost all my Beats are samples that I make recently I've been sampling my own projects from older songs that I have and then doing remixes older songs to new Beats
That content ID part of the video is dead on the money I've dealt with this in the past a few times it sucks
Bro... I dig that topic "how can you be a hip hop producer and knock sampling" 😂😂😂😂❤❤❤ ....just started the vid. I would say those people 99.999999% are not HIP HOP producers but as Bald Head Slick aka Guru put it "...something else."
On that note... I am NOT into the current trend of this trap sound and DO NOT consider it hip hop ((NO OFFENSE)) ...it lacks certain essentials, especially in 2023. *BUT* there are fairly rare cases where artist make beats I consider DOPE (not hip hop but still dope) and how you flipped (or technically "reinterpolated" I guess?) the "that pony" beat was DOPE to me. The synth work and sound design on how the main synth was done as well as the bass work? Top notch... I am into many styles and don't think a song is always better or worse because it is or is not hip hop... just because trap stuff is NOT HIP HOP for my standards, doesn't mean it can't still be good music. It's funny. I started following you unaware of that track. I heard this dj celebrating a milestone birthday of hip hop on a local radio station the other day which is WAY CRAZY... because I listen to the radio probably once every 5 years for enjoyment... and happened to tune into that... he would periodically break into modren (what I would call pop or commercial rap NOT HIP HOP) and he played that track with your beat in the mix!!!! I LOVED IT!!! I generally loathe stuff that would go in that kind of mix (ie I do listen to the radio MAYBE once every 5 years for enjoyment)... I actually was real into the track and said out loud: "I hate this trap sh-- almost always... but whoever did this beat is dope af!!! They know how to get down"
Then come to find out I was unwittingly subbed to the man behind that very rare exception beat.
Sample snitches
Take em to court, they'll be their own star witness
'Do you hear the interpolation?'
'Yeah its right here'
Stepping into a career, you should really do your history. There would be no hip-hop if there was no sampling. 💎💎💎lmfo
I thought everybody knew that though 🤷🏽
Great video, sir
"Making a case for their client" is why I'd push back on the anti-sample-snitching argument in the past but given how frustrated Kenny was over it imma chill.
If a fire deep-cut that's been lost in time stands out on a mediocre track or some filler, the excitement of getting the hunch and identifying often competes with or 'beats' the excitement of the new song itself. Plus the producer often gets further props
How bad would it be if i took the drums from a metallica song and recorded a song on top of it?
Are you going sell millions of dollars of song and get credited as Co writer ? If not don't worry
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@legendsflashback Shia LaBeouf just do it! Meme?
@@Durkhead yup just do it , honestly Metallica playing with their grandkids and might be honored you used drums before they die bro, even thier lawyer is too old to care, this isn't 2000 Napster era
I sample a lot with sample paxks but i try not to sample from songs anymore because i dont know how to get sample clearance
id love to buy a 100 random vinyl off ebay and crate dig but id want to make sure itd be cleared
Right now i rather hit you up and get samples from you and not give reason to get bad mouthed
i tried doing unclearung before with a sample and got a copyright strike
@pain mostly agree with your possitions...But, your experiences and of this Dj grounded on how the Labels used to do it in the last decades. Now comes new technology EASY on their fingertips. every millisecond of your music will get showed and uncovered with services for a few dollars. this is to easy money for publishers to let it lay on the table. so is it worth to work on music for years, and later find out some rightsholder will want his share of your track? i think no, and so i found a better method with using expressive sample base VSTs and compose my own Stuff. its more work, but also often with better sound quality and degrade the track with filters to get to the sound i wanted.
i loved sampling, my records, cassets or tv, but its over for me since years. because this technology anticipated their long shadows for some time. one more argument: in some future years a sinc publisher wants to use my track in the next add or movie. it would be embarrassing to say "yes you can use my song, but..." i would punch my self 10 times
My advice is from literally right now. I’m uploading beats daily. I uploaded two this morning.
is there a website one can submit a sound recording of a beat, to identify the owner?
No
S/o Nicholas Craven, he only does sample based loops and it's crazy good. I'm not sure about how he's dealing with the clearing process, but he's still producing some of my favorite beats using almost exclusively vinyl samples.
He doesn’t have to deal with clearing samples if the project is coming out through a label
Deadmau5 came in a twitch live talking sh!t about producer's sampling!😂
Then he’s a weirdo
He samples too though
Genu- WIIINE lmfao...
Some house songs have heavy sample in them.
That’s my point. It came from sampling
If you're not using a sound that you didn't create, it can be argued that you're technically sampling. So most people who shit on sampling are delusional
Comments from folks about people being lazy because they utilized sampling to create music is incredibly misguided and devastating to the culture of not just hip-hop but music overall.
I'm not sure how people can still hold this idea because a lot of music, mainstream or otherwise, contains samples, interpolations, etc. People should really go and study music history before making comments like that.
people be greedy
What's sync or sinc
He refers to sync licensing, which is when your music is used in media like videos, movies, and TV etc.
@@itzdm0r3 preciate it, didn't know that was a name for it
There are no hip hop albums that don’t contain samples…name one,….I’ll wait
Let me tell you why they had samples in them bruh because the labels will make you sample some shit to kick back money to who owns the masters which is usually the bigger label that they're under. For example one time I made this fire beat that had no samples the song was a song I did for the artist baby soulja. He liked it I liked it then the exec says Dirty Red you should add this sample to it No Woman No Cry and I'm like why so I can pay outta my portion of the pennies I get even more. Eff using No Woman No Cry I ain't make that shit Bob Marley did. Artist agreed and we ain't put that ish in. 🤷🏽♂️
My step dad cut the tip of his thumb off years ago (got a $19k check from insurance) and told me to always cut away from your hand,fingers Always. The thumb out of all the fingers is the most expensive covered appendage from insurance.
Interesting info 🫡
I see why 😢
Make a killer record people want to hear, print up 5 or 10k records, move onto the next....tour, promote with college radio....fuck SoundCloud, UA-cam and streams....streams of piss is what you get from corporations in the underground music world.
Great advice for 1993
@@DJPain1 My point was for people, like me, who don’t want any hassles from sampling. It’s like the Thoreau mentality towards the music business, off the grid, no need for shiny things.
Sampling is Hip-Hop Cultures main Instrument. It's a statement from a culture that rejects the upper class elitist culture of 'traditional' instruments like pianos ,trombones, opera etc etc. It's supposed to be honest home-grown anti-pop made with the ingredients and resources available to hand because making music should not just be a privilege for those that could afford classical education.
Just about to say the same thing 👌
I wouldn't say this. It's almost disrespectful. Blacks started every form of mainstream music. Rock, blues, rap, hip hop. To say it's our MAIN instrument... No. INSTRUMENTS ARE our main instruments
@@adyelnoyhadryel7930 right and Hiphop built off of that. Sampling is an extension of the intergenerational dialogue within black music/art. Sampling = black ingenuity. I don’t even know what you’re disagreeing with
@@DJPain1 I was on a tangent. A lot of times when I comment I'm thinking out loud. I'm saying I hate how black people depend on sampling to the point where people think it's our main thing when it's not. I hate black culture and love it at the same time. It's a culture of genius yet so unoriginal and copy and paste at the same time.
I'm not concerned. Talent and ingenuity always overcomes the bureaucracy with these record labels. They are just mad that the j-dilla's of the world were able to circumvent the system and create works of art without their hands in the cookie jar. As always great content
Dilla cleared a lot of samples though
@@DJPain1 yep after Bizmarkie situation dudes had to come correct lol. Clearing may be a hassle but in the long run less headaches
I feel like I’d welcome a lawsuit cause that would mean my shit blew up 😭 but if your established it’s bad
If you’re established, clear it
Okay
Hop Hop 101
Can't you just content i.d. your own beat, then white-list anyone who leases it from you?
And bruh, I was cracking up at the pronunciation. You halfway there. It's GIN at the beginning like the liquor.
Thanks for everything bruh
Who cares if you get sued if it’s fire just drop that shit
Getting sued is fun af factz
Sampled beats are the best. How else you gonna get Jimi Hendrix on your beat?
I definitely thought you said people like Kenny are vegans in the producer community 🤔🤣
I respect vegans too 🤷🏽
sampling the essence of hiphop. anyone who try to catch me a case for a 5 second synth is money hungry, deadass. tryna claim its “stealing” is stupid too. thats like saying someone “stole” your recipe just cause they used the same ingredients you did, to make something new? and even if you DO get taken to court (which wont happen) ya pretty much made it at that point cause you big enough to be on someone radar 🤣
Sample cases get settled usually
my spotify releases barely get over 50 listeners a month, so I should be good for now
lol Wayne and Flo Milli both just dropped with obvious samples lol. People gotta chill.
They must hate it
40th
I put "Blacks for Trump" and producers that hate other producers because they sample, in the exact same category. If you got less than a million listeners and your worried about clearing samples, its like worrying about your Nike logo getting on film playing street ball in your hood.
We have actual white supremacist rappers and they let that slide too so I agree
That 1st sentence makes absolutely no sense.😂😂😂
@@coldskoolbeatz Grade 4 version. They are both hating themselves.
@@touch182 I understood what you were trying to say from the beginning, and it still makes no sense. So are you implying so-called black people should support Biden? A career politician whose policies and friendships are, if not more, "racist" as Trump's, so you say??
And if they do so, that isn't "self-hating"??
@@coldskoolbeatz agreed about Biden, but I think he was just giving one example.
You know what’s crazy. I watched a guy come on Dame Tailor’s channel and say you told him everything opposite of what you’re saying now. I knew he was full of BS. I’ve been following you for years and I’d like to think I know where you stand on a lot of topics. So it’s not hard to defend you in an asinine scenario. People make you out to be this polarizing figure and I have found that’s simply not true. Misinformation from irrational people are having good influencers like Dame Tailor question your integrity…I’m just a lil frustrated by it all.
People have the right to lie. All my content is as has always been public and free though. The truth is out there 😂
Bruh, to say there'd be no hip hop without samples is hella disrespectful. If you truly think rap wouldn't have been a thing because some niggas didn't sample a song, you're disrespecting TMH. We don't neeeeed other races for music when we started dam near everything! Please stop
Uhh you do know HipHop was created by extending the breaks from funk, soul & disco records right??
@@chosenonebeats you're not understanding my point. Idc how It came to be. I'm saying that to say WITHOUT sampling it'd be no rap or hip-hop is retarded. What are y'all not getting about this
Man can y'all play instruments yes or no? Then yall ain't really producing your OWN MUSIC the end.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
The Beatles was sampling in the 60’s I guess they didn’t produce their music🤣🤣🤣
Which is literally the point. The foundation of Hip-Hop as an art is literally OTHER PEOPLE'S RECORDS. DJs in the Bronx played the "breaks" on other people's records, extending then using two turntables and a mixer. People danced to those breaks. Eventually people started rapping over those breaks while the other people dance. That was the birth of Hip-Hop. Eventually sampling technology was harnessed to sample the breaks instead of a DJ manipulating them by hand. After that, someone (often credited to Marley Marl) figured out you could chop up breaks into individual sounds and reprogram them. Thus, the modern era of sampling was born and the GOLDEN AGE of Rap music ensued. That's Hip-Hop. Period.