Yes! Never thought about it before but now that you say this , it makes sense. For some it’s rubbish, or belongings, food, animals, maybe it’s children.
I think that's a lot of it but some of it is uh culture war stuff. Soldiers for the lord/quiverful/catholicism making birth control illegal in some sects for some reason
Collecting children is sometimes a part of a religion's tenets: polygamy, fundamental religions. The children are to achieve a certain level in the religion-polygamy. And in polygamy you need at minimum 3 wives. In other religions you have many children to populate the world with more followers of your specific religion. Or your religion does not condone birth control so you do not control how many kids you have because you will not use any kind of birth control.
As a former foster parent, I have to add that is sadly common for mothers or parents who lose their child due to their own negligence to then become pregnant again because they still grieve the loss and attempt to fill the void with another child. They often do not see themselves as responsible for their circumstances and have no insight into how the displaced child feels when they simply move on with another child. It's heart-breaking and infuriating.
I know of a few woman like this, most of them are slightly mentally unable shall we say. They're honestly some of the worst people, creating child after child for foster care.
@@TheFakeyCakeMaker I knew someone who thought her sister was addicted to being pregnant. The sister was 23 years old and had 5 children under the age of 5 by 5 different men. She lost interest in each baby soon after birth and immediately started trying to get pregnant again. It was a sickness.
It sounds like a joke but i grew up in a fundamentalist christian circle and knew both young girls and middle-aged women who didn't know the basics of sex (or even their own anatomy). Many of them adopted children to get around having sex because they thought it was 'evil' but then lamented that they 'couldn't have children'... when the issue was simply that they didn't know how it worked. People like that make TERRIBLE parents--they end up being abusive over things like a girl having her period or even having discharge (as though it's her fault and a proof of sin), shaming people for having sex even AFTER marriage... it's terrifying to know that these people live in the 21st century alongside us, but when you see families like that, be kind to those kids--their lives are miserable.
They are too often one in the same. Evangelicals scare me- and the ones (too many) who see a lying criminal bent on dividing the country the second coming... Jesus help us.
A whole LOT of people become so convinced, by their churches or their pastors or other parishioners, of their religious "righteousness" that they truly believe their behaviors are inconsequential.
@@pricklypear7516 Yea, just "religious" believe their behaviors are inconsequential; you every watch the news?!?! Lots of people who don't believe in nothing cause all sorts of trouble.
And very likely no actual personal reading or studying the bible for themselves under a man who DOES know how to "rightly divide the word of truth," 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV. People do need to understand that NOT everything in that book is addressed TO you and that actual reading and studying the entire book verse by verse over time is needed, see 2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." Just sounds like another screwball group to me. Sad. People are getting dumber and dumber by the day, including more and more so-called "Christians."
A couple in my church were going through drug relapse and posted a bulletin asking for a family to watch over their kids while they were in treatment for 3 months. Another family came forward to take care of the children. Upon the parents leaving treatment, the other family refused to give the children back and used the parents drug history against them. The children really struggled with the new family during the 90 days and were heartbroken not being able to be reunited with their parents. Some people can be the worst self centered individuals w/ no care for anyone else.
@@itchysheets1222 New family couldn’t have kids. Pastor sat down with everyone ahead of time to agree the situation was temporary. New family disciplined kids for not being grateful. Tore the church in half.
When you have that many children you end up turning the older siblings into nannies and they lose out on their childhood to help raise their younger siblings. It's very selfish.
And I am sure there is plenty of well deserved resentment amongst the kids. This is really sad, you can't just spit out children for "religious" reasons, without the proper resources and care. Children are a gift, they shouldn't be treated like pawns in a bad chess game.
I’m one of 10. I loved growing up in a big family and helping take care of my brothers and sisters. It taught me responsibility and respect. We didn’t miss out on anything. Our parents weren’t perfect but they loved us.
The older children in these families often morph into less of a sibling and more of a babysitter type role. I feel sorry for the older siblings left to run the household as inevitably happens in situations like this.....been there.
Been there too. I had three young charges by the time I was 12. Now I'm seen as a throw away extra parent. Kids don't need me, parents don't need me. It's very cruel
Them wanting to adopt is INSANE. You cannot give 9 children enough attention. This is not hate on people with big families. I come from one. The reality is that in today’s world, two people cannot work, send their children to school AND find time to spend with 9 children individually. The impacts of parentified children are devastating. To think they wanted to take in 5 kids, who would need EXTRA attention due to the impacts of the foster system etc. are you kidding me? That to me shows me they don’t actually care at all about the children.
Their desire to adopt a fleet of new kids certainly does show very questionable judgment. Having that many of your own kids would be a real stretch no matter what, but to think you could successfully integrate a number of new foster kids who were just separated from their parents and one sibling all at once is totally delusional. No couple could do a competent job of that while also caring for their biological kids. Their irrational thinking about that was insane as was their their total disregard when stuffing all those kids into an RV while traveling all those miles (is it even legal to ride in the back portion of an RV while it is being driven? Certainly it is risky if there is an accident.). I am so sorry for all those kids and what they must have gone and are going through.
@@TheBOG3 They probably enjoy the baby to toddler phase much more than the older child phase. It's like how people get puppies or kittens but then once the animals have reached adult age, size and behavior, they want to give away the adult animals.
Who's paying for the kids now? Bio-dad is in prison. mom sounds like a stay-at-home, home-school type of person, and the couple who gave their children away do not appear to have regained custody after a legal adoption, and are not contributing money. Are we talking welfare? Grandparents?
@@cindyb8775 Yeah. I certainly hope so, too. And I bet that they'll either have 10+ kids themselves or they will go no-contact and become atheists. Lol.
I am the fifth of eleven children. I don't think any parent can properly provide all the needs of each child individually; I have stories. My dad, the finest gentleman I have ever known, was/is still the replenisher of his children and my mom was simply the multiplier. She was a narcissist; I have stories.
My father was the baby of 11 children in a 3 room house… not 3 bedrooms but 3 rooms in total. Now most of them moved out as early as possible and my father quit school after 8th grade. But he was a musician and played several instruments by ear. So I’m sure you have a lot of interesting stories. You should write about them…I’d gladly read 😊
When one has 2-3 children it’s hard to provide for all their needs. Even if you had less siblings, doesn’t necessarily mean that your childhood would have been “better” I was an only child and had soooo many needs unattended. I hope you have made peace with the family you were raised in. I have made peace with mine. It made me who I am today, I’m grateful.
@@BelovelyavaAgreed, I think it all depends. My husband and I have been married for 24 years and have 3 kids, ages 21, 22 and 16 and while we invested all we could into them (still do) I wonder if it’s enough. I can’t even imagine having more than 3. Like you, I was raised an only child but also by a single mother (my parents divorced when I was like 1, I don’t remember them being married) and I had a good dad, he was always there for me financially, and on his custodial visits, emotionally and beyond but I still don’t think all my needs were met. I 100% agree, you just have to make peace with the family you were raised in.
@@joandeigan7826 Yes, I'm thinking they got incentives to foster "older" children on the path to adoption ; an older foster child (over three or four) is more difficult to place, especially when 2,3,4 need to be placed together instead of separated to different homes. They're supposed to do a family/home review for a period of time before placement of a child but I guess every state has different requirements
Thats usually how these fundamental religious families are. The wife and kids are just objects to then. Read book of Job and how his wife and kids died a horrible death just because yahweh and satan made a bet and then yahweh "gifts" Job with a brand new wife and kids and Job is all happy about it lol Religion is psychotic.
@AdamVest Weird thing to say seeing as how the men involved in this case also treated the children like objects and so does every abusive man(and woman). That kind of attitude isn't gender specific.
I don't know whether this is an urban legend, but my friend told me about a couple who were trying for a baby. Their doctor finally figured out that they didn't know. He had to use dolls to demonstrate how to do the deed. 🤭🤭😆 This was well before the age of the internet.
Who meets total strangers at some random RV park while on vacation and end up convincing some completely unknown ppl that they should let you take their kids.?
I was born in 89 and grew up in Quiverfull. The idea is that you need a full quiver of arrows and children are these arrows. I'm surprised to see people born in the 1980s participating in Quiverfull. But the people this attracts often are not Quiverfull children as it often doesn't make it past a generation. Often, Quiverfull parents are people with low self esteem who did not grow up in an extreme evangelical setting and choose religion as the way to be better than people with number of children demonstrating greater adherence. This actually started as a movement to increase the number of white people in the baby race wars that go on. It's interesting to see someone with a Latin last name participating. As far as the other couple continuing to have more kids, this is fairly common. The best way to get around legal issues with having kids taken away is just to make more. It's not about quality of life. They need a higher quantity of kids to show that they are committing to the Quiverfull movement. You would even see some competitiveness by who had the most kids with the idea that they were more righteous. The whole idea of head of the household is common. Again, this is an area where it's mainly people who joined extremism as adults and found what they needed as far as a way to be "better" than other people, ie more holy and more prolific. They typically will raise the girls in this same mindset of needing to submit to their husbands and of needing to have a lot of kids. This doesn't usually happen as the girls will be exposed to secular culture more as adults and typically realize things like the importance of having only as many kids as you can support. These movements are often paired with a lot of child abuse as the children are seen as possessions and the parents work on breaking the will of the child to get total obedience without critical thinking or questioning.
Sick bunch of people but then I was raised n the morman religion and on mothers day the would give the mother with the most children the biggest bouquet of flowers but did in a way that made it obviously a competition and it got pretty petty with people arguing about blended families being eligible and only counting the kids she gave birth to!! It was crazy!
I agree completely with all of this. While I’m luckily not a quiverfull movement child, this movement came through my church like a wave when I was a teen/young adult. I remember all of these aspects from church families I was close to- the competition aspect of it, the perception that more kids=more holiness, the older kids taking care of the younger ones while the mom was more of an administrator of the whole thing and the dad was a bit hands off in a weird way. I found the whole thing very strange… but it’s definitely still a thing people do, even though I don’t hear specifically about a lot of the marketing of these things anymore like The Quiverfull Movement, Promise Keepers, or True Love Waits- a big abstinence movement that I fought hard against and absolutely refused to participate in as a 13 and 14 year old girl. I got really shunned due to that stance, but I took a lot of personal pride in sitting in the back of the sanctuary with a few friends while everyone went onstage, signed the virginity until marriage pledge, and got a “promise ring” from their dad. Nope, that was surely not for me. Fun times.
@@Graycy808 yeah, actually they did this on Mother's Day just in Southern Baptist churches. My mom won. That was when we were going to evangelical churches that my parents felt were still too secular and we moved on to a new church that was an extremist cult that literally met underground.
The insurance claim is hilarious (and sad that people still support that ridiculous place). But is it really tax-exempt? I know that they got a tax abatement (I think for property taxes) for several years. But they don't have to pay any income taxes or property taxes?
You had me laughing hilariously with your “moo-ving” comment. Your dry humor is fantastic. On a serious note, that many children only traumatized the elderly children who ended up become a “parent” when they should be enjoying proms, homecoming games, sports and school clubs, friends and youth events.
There are quite a few family’s on UA-cam in the USA and the do well. One of the families just went to Kenya as party of 14 . Building a huge house and drive big cars plus a motor home . Both are minister in the church plus the husband is in finance . Of course her UA-cam channel as a good fallowing . I guess UA-cam has been good to them . No i just had 2 children and quite happy . Live is getting so expensive that now I have to help support my children with their children. . There is school activities ,school outings ,pizza days and so many things where extra money is needed. At back to school I do help with school clothes. We cut out going to birthday parties off school friends because it never ends. Birthday parties are only for families now. You just got to stop somewhere.
they turned their children over to total strangers??? WTH? I had a child and wasnt married, my relatives tried again and again to take her, but I fought to keep her and I raised her successfully. I wouldnt even let family take myn child I cant even imagine giving her over to strangers. unreal.
Best post yet, Dr Grande. Your humour was spot on. Evangelical "Christianity" has a lot to answer for. Mind you, coming from Ireland, I can't really point the finger. At one time a family of less than four or five children was considered to be small, because of the Catholic Church's prohibition on contraception, and successive Irish governments making them illegal. That time is long gone, thankfully.
The religion is only to blame to an extent. People still make their own decisions. Just because contraception was illegal (there was a black market) its still a CHOICE to keep making babies. The pull out method or using your wife alone for a few months to recover from childbirth were viable options.
THE QUIPS THOUGHHHHH *1)Norman was like ‘man I dodged a bullet there’* *2)an affinity for…rabbits* I would give a whole paycheck to see a stand-up act from Dr. Grande, anyone else!? 😩😩😭😭🤣🤣🤣😂😂
3) 6:55 - 7:21 Christopher wanted to get some cattle. "As it turns out, this craving to collect cattle would not resolve Christopher's concerns in this contentious custody clash. No quantity of cows could _mooove_ him toward compassion. His inability to _steer_ clear from a _bullheaded_ path was _udderly_ [utterly] ridiculous." Cow humor and lots of alliteration. 😂 👍🏻
“This craving to collect cattle would not resolve Christopher’s concerns in this contentious custody clash. No quantity of cows could MOOve him to compassion. His inability to STEER clear from a BULLheaded path was UTTERly ridiculous.” I love Dr. Todd Grande 😂
God says children are a blessing, but he never said to be greedy! Anyone who decides to have 6+ kids when doctors advise against it and you don't have enough money or room is crazy. Plus, you can't give each child the attention they need.
I have friends with 7 kids. They have a good income and a large deposit, but the bank refused a mortgage because they have too many dependents. They are now trying to save to buy outright whilst also paying rent.
@@cathymadsen2930 Today 7 children costs money. Even pre-college, it's takes serious income to provide. At least 2 full income jobs & probably side jobs. Every restaurant or fast food places have pick up to deliver to a person's home. I ask an older fellow about his job delivering. He was retired but he liked having a side job for extra income & enjoyed interacting with customers.
Listening to Dr Grande is therapeutic. He takes terrible real life stories and gives a systematic overview of the facts and details while never losing a sense of humor.
This was a great one!! I’ve never liked puns much until I found your channel quite a few years ago, now. “Moooove.” 🐄😂😂 Thanks, much, Dr. Grande and I hope you have an enjoyable weekend. 🙂
Hawkins, Texas is only a few miles from the International Alert Academy, where the Duggars go sometimes. I nearly choked on my drink when you mentioned the town, it's very close to my home. 😮
😢 The saddest part about this whole story is how the actions dysfunctional and toxic adults are negative impacting, and hurting, the lives of innocent children. As for the Pences - it's clear there was an agenda in adopting the Codero children. Michelle has issues from childhood, she was 1 of 6 half-siblings taken from an unsafe home and split up when placed in foster care. Also - religious beliefs seem to be a big influence on the Pence family. I think it would be relevant to also examine cases and stories of other strict religious parents who have large families, homeschool children to promote their beliefs, and build their lives around strict religious rules. A news report details Christmas at the Pence home. The news said it used Michelle's blog as a source. There was a game played on Christmas called "Labor and Wages". The point was to teach the children "the wages of sin is death". The children were instructed to disclose their "sin" in detail and then fined $10,000 for their actions. Any child who could not pay would lose their Christmas presents. Christopher Pence played the role of Jesus and paid the debt for each child (and lost all of his presents). This is extreme. It's especially not appropriate for vulnerable children, the Coderos, who experienced recent trauma and loss, and need most safety and nurturing. Also concerning - the bond being formed between parent/child when one parent is comparing himself to Jesus and stating he can pay the debts for the "sin" they committed. How confusing! Imagine how the children feel now that "dad" in jail. By the way - Christopher Pence complete 🐃 💩 If you feel a child is unsafe, call authorities. You don't plot to kill their parents and then ask that a child be used as a witness to give you an alibi. That is NOT WWJD!!!! Michelle Pence is now a single mom to 16 children. How she is going to be able to afford the mortgage and meet the family's various needs on her own, is going to be a challenge. The Codero children are caught between the conflicts of both parents. And likely will be raised in an environment hostile to their birth family. The Pence family is sympathetic to Christopher. I can't wrap my head around a child growing up in an environment where the message is sent that their parents are bad and deserve to be killed. Further - the Codero children will have no exposure or contact to their birth family's culture, history and no contact with extended family members. This is a huge loss. Abruptly, and without warning, the lives of the Codero children changed overnight... they lost everything that was familiar to them and have to acclimate in a completely new environment and meet new expectations. It doesn't sound like the Pence family was sympathetic either. It is understandable that the Codero children would struggle with grief, loss, confusions and emotional/behavioral issues in this situation. The Codero parents, also concerning. They basically gave 5 of their children away to strangers. The husband has been accused of looking at child p-- online and showing it to his children (investigated by DCF but nothing came of it). The family will probably be living in fear for the rest of their lives. It's going to be difficult for the 5 Codero children (if they chose) to maintain contact or a relationship with birth family...clearly therapy is needed.
How was Chris able to buy a house and a RV; while also financially supporting his wife, sixteen children and an in-law? I have a good paying government job, and I can’t even afford a house.
He was in tech, tech pays a lot better than government, especially when you're a business owner in it not just an employee. But probably also some neglect.
@@Kittykat5kitsbesides, the older kids can give the younger kids their clothes as they outgrow them, and those same kids can go get jobs and buy their own new clothes.
Hi Dr. Grande. Great work as usual. I was wondering if you'd be interested in covering "Bishop" Dwight Reed, who married a 19 year old girl when he was 63. It's a case out of Iowa. It's disturbing to me, but apparently, some people are fine with it.😮
@tbellew100 Honey, because he is old enough to be your brother, NOT your grandfather! The power dynamic in such a relationship lends itself to abuses both financial and emotional as well as measures of coercive control! Plus, TRUST me there's a lot of physical differences between a guy of 30 and one of 63, and those 33 years change a LOT of things, endurance being just one!
@@michellesartori6695 But still there is such thing as consenting adult. I dont approve of Robert DeNiro having a baby with a twenty something while he's in his 80s as well but nobody's saying anything about it.
@@tbellew100 Agreed but how wise do you REALLY think that a 19 year old is? I have always felt old and although I was a mother of an 18 month old son at age 19 I was the exception not the rule! I would worry terribly for that 19 year old if she was my daughter and wanted to marry a 63 year old who in our case would be older than both her mother and father. I have heard so many domestic violence tragedies that while they can't always be blamed on an age disparity of a generation or more, it does heighten the risk for coercive control and other abuses. My grandson is 19 and I can say with conviction that we don't have enough jn common to have an enduring long term relationship as anything other than grandson and Grandma! While I agree that consent is given by both parties I cannot see it frequently leading to long term happiness either! But lots of money might help the longevity of said relationship!
Children are living souls. They are not here for us we are here for them. They are a blessing. Not everyone deserves children. We all will be responsible for the children we have. We will all give an account.
If WE are here for THEM, maybe WE’RE blessings. If THEY’RE the blessings, maybe they are here for us. I hear all the time about elderly parents expecting their adult children to take care of them now that the shoe is on the other foot. It’s an interesting take that what can often be a very expensive, time-consuming and stress-inducing responsibility is considered a blessing. Not everyone will be able to relate to that sentiment.
Hahah, my husband is an economist… after having our first and seeing the costs he’s like ok nope one and done. I want another but I trust that hes an expert in that field, if he says we cannot afford it we cannot afford it.
I don’t understand this, having more than four kids is not that much more than one or two. Unless you’re bathing them in gold, it’s pretty easy to budget. If you can afford one, you can afford more than one.
@@KiKi-tf8rv huge difference between 4 children and 10+. And all the research shows that children end up parentified, and parentification has lasting negative impacts on children.
@@sadiefalco4673 But the OP said four kids and you said one kid. I was responding to the two of you, not a comment about ten kids. The only way two kids would be a *lot* more money, is if you’re both working and need full time daycare, and you want to have all eighteen years worth of expenses plus college tuition in the bank before the child is born. We don’t budget that way, so four kids is not a lot different than one. That may be how your husband is budgeting, though, and that would make sense.
@@sadiefalco4673- Apparently, Kiki isn't thinking about higher education, either. Very few Americans can pay for the college education of 10+ kids. I'm from a family of 6 kids, and my dad had the nerve to say that raising 6 kids isn't that much harder than raising 2 or 3. My mother did almost all of the daily child care, in addition to working a full-time job most years. She also did virtually all of the cooking, the laundry, the grocery shopping, etc. And my siblings and I didn't most of the cleaning and yard work. My older sister and I babysat the younger 4 while our parents were at work. And my dad didn't pay for things like yearbooks, team pictures, haircuts, deodorant, or school clothes if they weren't bought before school started (which was often the case for me because I had football camp before school started and I couldn't make purchases without one of my parents present). We lived in an affluent neighborhood, but my siblings and I were often hungry (especially as preteens and teenagers) because our parents limited our portions so much to save money.
That's way too many to have in a family, motives definitely in question such as where do they get all that money? Very sad again. Great points again. Thanks Dr G😊💛💛
Dr. Todd, I love your videos. They have changed my life. Your voice is so placid and monotonous, I cannot help but fall asleep as I listen. You are the cure for insomnia. Thank you for all you have done and keep up the great work!
Is it only me who wonders how someone can afford to live and have all of these children? I can understand if they lived in one place their entire life, but they have literally moved across the country multiple times and bought homes with huge mortgages.......
I love how when talking about cows and telling the story you said moooved and utterly. You are very humerous. I wonder how many other people see your sense of humer? Sometimes it may be hard given your serious persona. Just want to let you know I appreciate it and your channel.
Yeah, and they whine and complain about us Catholics.I had a great uncle who lived in California and manufactured bicycles.He was married twice and had 18 total kids , 9 from each wife.His first wife passed away, and then he remarried.Difference is, he had money for the family and this was in the 1880s, 1900s.
I am one of 10 children. We were not rich, but our parents loved us and we felt special! Looking after a sibling is not necessary bad. It taught us kindness, responsibility and cooking, sewing, crochet, knitting, embroidery ect. In the school holidays we helped with the house work and none of us thought this was strange. I went to visit a school friend and I could not stay long because she had to cook for the family as the mum was working. My mum was at home and did this and we had to peel the potatoes ect. I could never say I regret being part of a big fam.
I am 1 of 8 kids, and i hate my mother for breeding senselessly yet making it my problem. Your vagina, YOUR problem, not mine. I dont need to raise someone elses kids to learn responsibility. It made me hate kids and not want any of my own. Breeding so many kids while poor is EVEN WORSE. STOP ADDING MOUTHS TO FEED YOU TWIT.
Can't you see that you were fortunate in that your stay-at-home mother did NOT have to make a child-parent of you, but just had you help out as is done in even small families? You say you would never say you regret being one of 10, but it's weird that you don't acknowledge that being one of 10 if your mother had been out working would have been a very different experience, as you saw it was with your friend. You sort of slide over that point. Frankly, unless you were mostly girls who could divide the housework into small shares, I don't see how you only helped with the housework in the holidays! Your mother did everything herself for all of you during the school term?
I’m convinced some hoarders hoard children.
Interesting!
They do. That guy was probably a narcissist and the women probably had hoarding issues
Yes! Never thought about it before but now that you say this , it makes sense. For some it’s rubbish, or belongings, food, animals, maybe it’s children.
I think that's a lot of it but some of it is uh culture war stuff. Soldiers for the lord/quiverful/catholicism making birth control illegal in some sects for some reason
Can someone elaborate on this, or link to anywhere that has?
Extremely intriguing.
What court official thought it was a good idea to let a family with ten kids adopt six more?
Point on!!!!
one in texas
Very strange. And the biological family didn't want adoption so how did it happen.
Probably because they were already caretakers and this was a way to avoid them being split up and put into "the system"
The system has to pay for children in the system which means less money to go in the pockets of those running said system. That simple
I am always extremely concerned when people decide to have so many children and try to isolate themselves from others. Screams cult.
Screams mind your own business to me.
@@tedmoss Mind your own business doesn't apply to child abuse.
Collecting children is sometimes a part of a religion's tenets: polygamy, fundamental religions. The children are to achieve a certain level in the religion-polygamy. And in polygamy you need at minimum 3 wives.
In other religions you have many children to populate the world with more followers of your specific religion. Or your religion does not condone birth control so you do not control how many kids you have because you will not use any kind of birth control.
Yes, so many Christian groups turn out to be cults.
@@tedmosswhy are you in a cult
15 kids and 2 adults in a motor home? Packed like a can of sardines.
Probably smelled like it as well!
Sounds like a crime.
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And a can of mixed nuts.
I remember Andrea Yates, she had 5 inside a mobile house. She killed all of her children.
As a former foster parent, I have to add that is sadly common for mothers or parents who lose their child due to their own negligence to then become pregnant again because they still grieve the loss and attempt to fill the void with another child. They often do not see themselves as responsible for their circumstances and have no insight into how the displaced child feels when they simply move on with another child. It's heart-breaking and infuriating.
That is horrible. How sad for those kids.
I know of a few woman like this, most of them are slightly mentally unable shall we say.
They're honestly some of the worst people, creating child after child for foster care.
Maybe some day there will be court-ordered IUDs for women who habitually lose custody and just have more.
Such interesting insight. Also some women like having babies. Not children, babies. My mother was such a woman.
@@TheFakeyCakeMaker I knew someone who thought her sister was addicted to being pregnant. The sister was 23 years old and had 5 children under the age of 5 by 5 different men. She lost interest in each baby soon after birth and immediately started trying to get pregnant again. It was a sickness.
Dr Grande is the master of the subtle drag.
Item #5 “maybe they were unable to figure out what was causing the pregnancies”
He’d be an amazing drag king persona for the right lesbian ❤
This guy is awesomr..
Hi delivery is calm, even boring, but his topics and his content are never boring.
Well said
"maybe they were unable to figure out what caused the pregnancies" I'm dying
Dr. Grande, is the King of shade.😅
I bet they drank out of the same cup.😅
@@cplmpcocptcl6306 uuhh yeah, that was it. 😂🤪
I actually knew a woman like this, she had 10 kids because she said that's when she worked out how she was getting pregnant so she stopped.
It sounds like a joke but i grew up in a fundamentalist christian circle and knew both young girls and middle-aged women who didn't know the basics of sex (or even their own anatomy). Many of them adopted children to get around having sex because they thought it was 'evil' but then lamented that they 'couldn't have children'... when the issue was simply that they didn't know how it worked.
People like that make TERRIBLE parents--they end up being abusive over things like a girl having her period or even having discharge (as though it's her fault and a proof of sin), shaming people for having sex even AFTER marriage... it's terrifying to know that these people live in the 21st century alongside us, but when you see families like that, be kind to those kids--their lives are miserable.
With some people there is a fine line between religious conviction and cultish obsession.
They are too often one in the same. Evangelicals scare me- and the ones (too many) who see a lying criminal bent on dividing the country the second coming... Jesus help us.
A whole LOT of people become so convinced, by their churches or their pastors or other parishioners, of their religious "righteousness" that they truly believe their behaviors are inconsequential.
@@pricklypear7516 Yea, just "religious" believe their behaviors are inconsequential; you every watch the news?!?! Lots of people who don't believe in nothing cause all sorts of trouble.
I would say this couple fall into that category.
And very likely no actual personal reading or studying the bible for themselves under a man who DOES know how to "rightly divide the word of truth," 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV. People do need to understand that NOT everything in that book is addressed TO you and that actual reading and studying the entire book verse by verse over time is needed, see 2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." Just sounds like another screwball group to me. Sad. People are getting dumber and dumber by the day, including more and more so-called "Christians."
A couple in my church were going through drug relapse and posted a bulletin asking for a family to watch over their kids while they were in treatment for 3 months. Another family came forward to take care of the children. Upon the parents leaving treatment, the other family refused to give the children back and used the parents drug history against them. The children really struggled with the new family during the 90 days and were heartbroken not being able to be reunited with their parents. Some people can be the worst self centered individuals w/ no care for anyone else.
There’s more to that story for sure.
@@itchysheets1222 Guarantee you the kids were better off with the new family.
@@itchysheets1222 New family couldn’t have kids. Pastor sat down with everyone ahead of time to agree the situation was temporary. New family disciplined kids for not being grateful. Tore the church in half.
@@itchysheets1222 so glad you haven't seen the worst the world has to offer, good for you, ignorance is bliss 👍🏻
@@jasonbender2459 thats because youre slow 😂 take that assumption and f.k. yourself with it Jason 😊
When you have that many children you end up turning the older siblings into nannies and they lose out on their childhood to help raise their younger siblings. It's very selfish.
The british ones Radford family seems to manage. The kids loves it. Even the grown ones do not want to move
Like the crazy Duggar family
@@lindalund9621they probably aren't equipped to handle the real world because of how enmeshed they are with their family.
And I am sure there is plenty of well deserved resentment amongst the kids. This is really sad, you can't just spit out children for "religious" reasons, without the proper resources and care. Children are a gift, they shouldn't be treated like pawns in a bad chess game.
I’m one of 10. I loved growing up in a big family and helping take care of my brothers and sisters. It taught me responsibility and respect. We didn’t miss out on anything. Our parents weren’t perfect but they loved us.
The older children in these families often morph into less of a sibling and more of a babysitter type role. I feel sorry for the older siblings left to run the household as inevitably happens in situations like this.....been there.
Me too and there were only 5 of us
Been there too. I had three young charges by the time I was 12. Now I'm seen as a throw away extra parent. Kids don't need me, parents don't need me. It's very cruel
@@Thomas.3698 that sucks dude, Im sorry
Them wanting to adopt is INSANE. You cannot give 9 children enough attention. This is not hate on people with big families. I come from one. The reality is that in today’s world, two people cannot work, send their children to school AND find time to spend with 9 children individually. The impacts of parentified children are devastating. To think they wanted to take in 5 kids, who would need EXTRA attention due to the impacts of the foster system etc. are you kidding me? That to me shows me they don’t actually care at all about the children.
Good comment 😊
It happens more often than you'd believe
That's just hoarding, they were hoarding animals as well
💯 absolutely agree
Their desire to adopt a fleet of new kids certainly does show very questionable judgment. Having that many of your own kids would be a real stretch no matter what, but to think you could successfully integrate a number of new foster kids who were just separated from their parents and one sibling all at once is totally delusional. No couple could do a competent job of that while also caring for their biological kids. Their irrational thinking about that was insane as was their their total disregard when stuffing all those kids into an RV while traveling all those miles (is it even legal to ride in the back portion of an RV while it is being driven? Certainly it is risky if there is an accident.). I am so sorry for all those kids and what they must have gone and are going through.
They did not take the disabled child. That says a lot about them. Terrible child stealers.
The biological parents wanted to keep that child, and then had the nerve to have two more kids after they gave their five other kids up for adoption.
@@TheBOG3 They probably enjoy the baby to toddler phase much more than the older child phase. It's like how people get puppies or kittens but then once the animals have reached adult age, size and behavior, they want to give away the adult animals.
Yep. The attention is the driving force, like munchausen by proxy. Insanity! @@SY-ok2dq
“He wanted a discount because both his targets lived at the same address” lol
Who's paying for the kids now? Bio-dad is in prison. mom sounds like a stay-at-home, home-school type of person, and the couple who gave their children away do not appear to have regained custody after a legal adoption, and are not contributing money. Are we talking welfare? Grandparents?
you and me and millions of others taxpayers are raising the children now . I just hope they can come out of this and lead a prosperous life
@@cindyb8775 Yeah. I certainly hope so, too. And I bet that they'll either have 10+ kids themselves or they will go no-contact and become atheists. Lol.
The children of parents in prison receive money each month plus I'm sure they get welfare on top of that.
The story I read in New York magazine said the community was supporting them with donations and charity.
@@GenRN That's probably a drop in the bucket compared to the gov aid that's coming in lol
How much was donated?
I am the fifth of eleven children. I don't think any parent can properly provide all the needs of each child individually; I have stories. My dad, the finest gentleman I have ever known, was/is still the replenisher of his children and my mom was simply the multiplier. She was a narcissist; I have stories.
My father was the baby of 11 children in a 3 room house… not 3 bedrooms but 3 rooms in total. Now most of them moved out as early as possible and my father quit school after 8th grade. But he was a musician and played several instruments by ear. So I’m sure you have a lot of interesting stories. You should write about them…I’d gladly read 😊
Hi !
When one has 2-3 children it’s hard to provide for all their needs. Even if you had less siblings, doesn’t necessarily mean that your childhood would have been “better” I was an only child and had soooo many needs unattended. I hope you have made peace with the family you were raised in. I have made peace with mine. It made me who I am today, I’m grateful.
@@BelovelyavaAgreed, I think it all depends. My husband and I have been married for 24 years and have 3 kids, ages 21, 22 and 16 and while we invested all we could into them (still do) I wonder if it’s enough. I can’t even imagine having more than 3. Like you, I was raised an only child but also by a single mother (my parents divorced when I was like 1, I don’t remember them being married) and I had a good dad, he was always there for me financially, and on his custodial visits, emotionally and beyond but I still don’t think all my needs were met. I 100% agree, you just have to make peace with the family you were raised in.
@@Florida_AliNot always possible but, I agree with you.
Good grief, I have two kids and they cost a fortune to feed. What on earth are they feeding 16 of them, gruel?
My thoughts exactly.
They probably get food stamps.
@@joandeigan7826 Yes, I'm thinking they got incentives to foster "older" children on the path to adoption ; an older foster child (over three or four) is more difficult to place, especially when 2,3,4 need to be placed together instead of separated to different homes. They're supposed to do a family/home review for a period of time before placement of a child but I guess every state has different requirements
That would make the most sense. @@gigi9301
I would assume a lot of cheap cereal.
Everyone involved treats kids like objects.
My economics professor used to say the government doesn’t care about children or animals because children and animals don’t pay taxes
Married couples be like
Thats usually how these fundamental religious families are. The wife and kids are just objects to then. Read book of Job and how his wife and kids died a horrible death just because yahweh and satan made a bet and then yahweh "gifts" Job with a brand new wife and kids and Job is all happy about it lol
Religion is psychotic.
That's pretty much every female involved in a child custody trial. Those children are her personal possessions and guaranteed 18 year annuity.
@AdamVest Weird thing to say seeing as how the men involved in this case also treated the children like objects and so does every abusive man(and woman). That kind of attitude isn't gender specific.
“Maybe they just couldn’t figure out what kept causing the pregnancies.” 😂😂 Dr. G you’re a savage
I don't know whether this is an urban legend, but my friend told me about a couple who were trying for a baby. Their doctor finally figured out that they didn't know. He had to use dolls to demonstrate how to do the deed. 🤭🤭😆 This was well before the age of the internet.
I feel very sorry for the Cordero children.
I feel sorry for all the children
Yes indeed, sorry for them with either family.
@@cheekymonkey5621Yes.😔
The children are all still in the custody of the mother?! That's absolutely bloody nuts!
Agreed. Probably living off the grandparents' pensions & welfare.
As I watched, I just knew Utah would come up eventually.
haha yes
This is the most fascinating comedy channel on UA-cam.
His delivery is brilliant.
Who meets total strangers at some random RV park while on vacation and end up convincing some completely unknown ppl that they should let you take their kids.?
pedophiles do that
No quantity of cows could “moooove” him to compassion. (7:13)
I scrolled up on your comment right as he said it 😂
hehe
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I was born in 89 and grew up in Quiverfull. The idea is that you need a full quiver of arrows and children are these arrows. I'm surprised to see people born in the 1980s participating in Quiverfull. But the people this attracts often are not Quiverfull children as it often doesn't make it past a generation.
Often, Quiverfull parents are people with low self esteem who did not grow up in an extreme evangelical setting and choose religion as the way to be better than people with number of children demonstrating greater adherence.
This actually started as a movement to increase the number of white people in the baby race wars that go on. It's interesting to see someone with a Latin last name participating.
As far as the other couple continuing to have more kids, this is fairly common. The best way to get around legal issues with having kids taken away is just to make more. It's not about quality of life. They need a higher quantity of kids to show that they are committing to the Quiverfull movement. You would even see some competitiveness by who had the most kids with the idea that they were more righteous.
The whole idea of head of the household is common. Again, this is an area where it's mainly people who joined extremism as adults and found what they needed as far as a way to be "better" than other people, ie more holy and more prolific.
They typically will raise the girls in this same mindset of needing to submit to their husbands and of needing to have a lot of kids. This doesn't usually happen as the girls will be exposed to secular culture more as adults and typically realize things like the importance of having only as many kids as you can support.
These movements are often paired with a lot of child abuse as the children are seen as possessions and the parents work on breaking the will of the child to get total obedience without critical thinking or questioning.
Thanks for the detailed information. I have heard of this movement, but thanks for filling in the blanks.
Sick bunch of people but then I was raised n the morman religion and on mothers day the would give the mother with the most children the biggest bouquet of flowers but did in a way that made it obviously a competition and it got pretty petty with people arguing about blended families being eligible and only counting the kids she gave birth to!! It was crazy!
Thank you for explaining ❤
I agree completely with all of this. While I’m luckily not a quiverfull movement child, this movement came through my church like a wave when I was a teen/young adult. I remember all of these aspects from church families I was close to- the competition aspect of it, the perception that more kids=more holiness, the older kids taking care of the younger ones while the mom was more of an administrator of the whole thing and the dad was a bit hands off in a weird way. I found the whole thing very strange… but it’s definitely still a thing people do, even though I don’t hear specifically about a lot of the marketing of these things anymore like The Quiverfull Movement, Promise Keepers, or True Love Waits- a big abstinence movement that I fought hard against and absolutely refused to participate in as a 13 and 14 year old girl. I got really shunned due to that stance, but I took a lot of personal pride in sitting in the back of the sanctuary with a few friends while everyone went onstage, signed the virginity until marriage pledge, and got a “promise ring” from their dad. Nope, that was surely not for me. Fun times.
@@Graycy808 yeah, actually they did this on Mother's Day just in Southern Baptist churches. My mom won. That was when we were going to evangelical churches that my parents felt were still too secular and we moved on to a new church that was an extremist cult that literally met underground.
What an absolute loser. He had the mentality of someone who wants to run a cult. How sad for all of the kids involved. They were not loved.
I have met hoarders who also collect people and won't give them up. Is it possible these people were like that? These children are belongings.
Rabbits 😂. Good one Dr Grande.
Yeah I got that too!😂
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So sly!😏😆
Ha! Our family had 11 kids, in a small Dutch townhouse. At no time did my parents think they should adopt 5 more!!
Fun fact: the tax exempt Ark Encounter sued their insurance company for water damage after a storm.
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And?
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You mean they made an insurance claim?
The insurance claim is hilarious (and sad that people still support that ridiculous place). But is it really tax-exempt? I know that they got a tax abatement (I think for property taxes) for several years. But they don't have to pay any income taxes or property taxes?
You had me laughing hilariously with your “moo-ving” comment. Your dry humor is fantastic.
On a serious note, that many children only traumatized the elderly children who ended up become a “parent” when they should be enjoying proms, homecoming games, sports and school clubs, friends and youth events.
How did they afford all those children, houses land and moving ?
By being a high school coach & a best-selling writer.
We paid for their kids as taxpayers
Did y'all not listen? The father (prior to being imprisoned) maintained very well paid employment.
@@michelleobrien6996, he also leached off his parents, who lived with the son & his family.
There are quite a few family’s on UA-cam in the USA and the do well. One of the families just went to Kenya as party of 14 . Building a huge house and drive big cars plus a motor home . Both are minister in the church plus the husband is in finance . Of course her UA-cam channel as a good fallowing . I guess UA-cam has been good to them .
No i just had 2 children and quite happy . Live is getting so expensive that now I have to help support my children with their children. .
There is school activities ,school outings ,pizza days and so many things where extra money is needed.
At back to school I do help with school clothes. We cut out going to birthday parties off school friends because it never ends.
Birthday parties are only for families now. You just got to stop somewhere.
I speculate that Norman is the most normal character in this story 🐄
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Anyone else here for the subliminal jokes? 😂😂😂😂😂 “moooooove him”
Mooooo! I am!
Don't encourage him, he might take it too far like he may have with the whole "mostly because of the murder part".
@@jtzoltan I udderly agree.
Oh yes I am!
Mooot point, but I came here specifically for this! 😂
Those poor kids, omg I hope they all grow up and never talk to those selfish assholes ever again
How in the hell does that lady get to keep those kids after her husband tried to kill their biological parents THAT WANT THEM BACK?!
Probably because the adoption had already gone through, plus the Cordero mom might have been even worse.
@@briskettacos Feel sorry for the kids from both these parents....
they turned their children over to total strangers??? WTH? I had a child and wasnt married, my relatives tried again and again to take her, but I fought to keep her and I raised her successfully. I wouldnt even let family take myn child I cant even imagine giving her over to strangers. unreal.
Best post yet, Dr Grande. Your humour was spot on. Evangelical "Christianity" has a lot to answer for. Mind you, coming from Ireland, I can't really point the finger. At one time a family of less than four or five children was considered to be small, because of the Catholic Church's prohibition on contraception, and successive Irish governments making them illegal. That time is long gone, thankfully.
The religion is only to blame to an extent.
People still make their own decisions.
Just because contraception was illegal (there was a black market) its still a CHOICE to keep making babies.
The pull out method or using your wife alone for a few months to recover from childbirth were viable options.
I would venture to say **extreme** evangelical Christianity--we're not all crazy nutcases like these guys. Seriously.
That cow segment was gold silver bronze platinum everything!!! Well done Dr Grande
Norman the cow is probably a reference to City Slickers.
I came here and typed that almost verbatim... maybe I'll delete my comment :)
@@LucTaylor I love the name Norman. It was my father's name.
“He wasn’t entirely set on just adding people to the world. He was quite willing to subtract a couple” 😂😂😂 That took me out.
Wow! Some Christians! They took "Be fruitful and become many" to the ultimate extreme while forgetting all about "Love your neighbor as yourself."
Or perhaps the Comandments
Those crazy Christian fanatics.
@@pcastromedinawhat would you say if it were an atheist who did this? “Those crazy atheist fanatics”?
@@n.g.l. Why not?
you'd be surprised at how many Christians are exactly like this.
THE QUIPS THOUGHHHHH
*1)Norman was like ‘man I dodged a bullet there’*
*2)an affinity for…rabbits*
I would give a whole paycheck to see a stand-up act from Dr. Grande, anyone else!?
😩😩😭😭🤣🤣🤣😂😂
3) 6:55 - 7:21 Christopher wanted to get some cattle. "As it turns out, this craving to collect cattle would not resolve Christopher's concerns in this contentious custody clash. No quantity of cows could _mooove_ him toward compassion. His inability to _steer_ clear from a _bullheaded_ path was _udderly_ [utterly] ridiculous."
Cow humor and lots of alliteration. 😂 👍🏻
15 kids + 2 adults in a mobile home driving from Vermont to Washington state. These people are cra cra
Taking a two hour trip with my kids is exhausting…I can’t imagine this 😂
I don’t know how it’s even legal
“This craving to collect cattle would not resolve Christopher’s concerns in this contentious custody clash. No quantity of cows could MOOve him to compassion. His inability to STEER clear from a BULLheaded path was UTTERly ridiculous.”
I love Dr. Todd Grande 😂
Those poor children, what horrible examples are being set for them! Thank you Dr. Grande for this video of a weird situation!
God says children are a blessing, but he never said to be greedy! Anyone who decides to have 6+ kids when doctors advise against it and you don't have enough money or room is crazy. Plus, you can't give each child the attention they need.
God also doesn’t like people ruining the planet by contributing to overpopulation
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God never said that, the man who wrote that part in the Bible may have thought that very thought. But it was objectively not "God" or any god at all.
God also doesn’t like it when people contribute to overpopulation by having millions of kids and destroying the planet. God can’t stand that
God. Also doesn’t like it when people contribute to overpopulation and the destruction of the planet. God can’t stand that
They should be investigated for welfare fraud too. You have 11 gotdamn children but you can still qualify for a $500,000+ mortgage?
a systems engineer for microsoft is probably not getting any welfare benefits especially in red states like texas or utah
He was in technology. Sounded like he made good money.
Is there any indication they received welfare?
I have friends with 7 kids. They have a good income and a large deposit, but the bank refused a mortgage because they have too many dependents. They are now trying to save to buy outright whilst also paying rent.
@@cathymadsen2930 Today 7 children costs money. Even pre-college, it's takes serious income to provide. At least 2 full income jobs & probably side jobs. Every restaurant or fast food places have pick up to deliver to a person's home. I ask an older fellow about his job delivering. He was retired but he liked having a side job for extra income & enjoyed interacting with customers.
I'm glad you make me laugh during macabre stories.
Literally every time there’s a family this big the man is a religious nut job.
And woman
well, Amish have good excuse
more kids = more free labor
Elon Musk has like 10. He worships nobody, but himself..
@@NauerBauer but he can afford child support.
@@markmike7933 they can do whatever they want..in their own countries.
God bless those children. I hope they are safe, happy and well adjusted.🙏🙏❤️
All of this is so insane. Also, how does a family with that many kids and only one working family have $16,000 to hire someone.
Maybe their church and the government were pitching in to help
The same way they can buy a $600,000 home.
@@beverlybalius9303 A loan for a hit job?
Didn't it say he was working for Google or something? Systems engineers make $$$$$.
@@elaexplorer Not that much! $145,000-$200,000 is pretty typical. That is not much money when you have a $600,000 house and that many kids.
Listening to Dr Grande is therapeutic. He takes terrible real life stories and gives a systematic overview of the facts and details while never losing a sense of humor.
Your clever way with words did not go unnoticed. Thank you for the entertaining explanation of this case. 🐂
I hope those poor kids can go back to their parents. So sad!
The cow being named Norman is probably a reference to City Slickers.
I was wondering if someone was going to point that out.
He only got seven years for plotting to kill two people?
This was a great one!! I’ve never liked puns much until I found your channel quite a few years ago, now.
“Moooove.” 🐄😂😂
Thanks, much, Dr. Grande and I hope you have an enjoyable weekend. 🙂
"He was not entirely set on adding people to the world. He was also quite willing to subtract a couple." Spit my coffee! xD
Hawkins, Texas is only a few miles from the International Alert Academy, where the Duggars go sometimes. I nearly choked on my drink when you mentioned the town, it's very close to my home. 😮
😢 The saddest part about this whole story is how the actions dysfunctional and toxic adults are negative impacting, and hurting, the lives of innocent children.
As for the Pences - it's clear there was an agenda in adopting the Codero children. Michelle has issues from childhood, she was 1 of 6 half-siblings taken from an unsafe home and split up when placed in foster care. Also - religious beliefs seem to be a big influence on the Pence family. I think it would be relevant to also examine cases and stories of other strict religious parents who have large families, homeschool children to promote their beliefs, and build their lives around strict religious rules.
A news report details Christmas at the Pence home. The news said it used Michelle's blog as a source. There was a game played on Christmas called "Labor and Wages". The point was to teach the children "the wages of sin is death". The children were instructed to disclose their "sin" in detail and then fined $10,000 for their actions. Any child who could not pay would lose their Christmas presents. Christopher Pence played the role of Jesus and paid the debt for each child (and lost all of his presents). This is extreme. It's especially not appropriate for vulnerable children, the Coderos, who experienced recent trauma and loss, and need most safety and nurturing. Also concerning - the bond being formed between parent/child when one parent is comparing himself to Jesus and stating he can pay the debts for the "sin" they committed. How confusing! Imagine how the children feel now that "dad" in jail.
By the way - Christopher Pence complete 🐃 💩 If you feel a child is unsafe, call authorities. You don't plot to kill their parents and then ask that a child be used as a witness to give you an alibi. That is NOT WWJD!!!!
Michelle Pence is now a single mom to 16 children. How she is going to be able to afford the mortgage and meet the family's various needs on her own, is going to be a challenge.
The Codero children are caught between the conflicts of both parents. And likely will be raised in an environment hostile to their birth family. The Pence family is sympathetic to Christopher. I can't wrap my head around a child growing up in an environment where the message is sent that their parents are bad and deserve to be killed.
Further - the Codero children will have no exposure or contact to their birth family's culture, history and no contact with extended family members. This is a huge loss. Abruptly, and without warning, the lives of the Codero children changed overnight... they lost everything that was familiar to them and have to acclimate in a completely new environment and meet new expectations. It doesn't sound like the Pence family was sympathetic either. It is understandable that the Codero children would struggle with grief, loss, confusions and emotional/behavioral issues in this situation.
The Codero parents, also concerning. They basically gave 5 of their children away to strangers. The husband has been accused of looking at child p-- online and showing it to his children (investigated by DCF but nothing came of it). The family will probably be living in fear for the rest of their lives. It's going to be difficult for the 5 Codero children (if they chose) to maintain contact or a relationship with birth family...clearly therapy is needed.
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Both sets of parents are crap
Omg! WHErE does Dr Grande find these crazy situations???!😅
All the children in this case are in serious need of counseling.
How was Chris able to buy a house and a RV; while also financially supporting his wife, sixteen children and an in-law? I have a good paying government job, and I can’t even afford a house.
He was in tech, tech pays a lot better than government, especially when you're a business owner in it not just an employee. But probably also some neglect.
Welfare. Even if he worked full time in tech, with 15/16 dependents, the whole family would've qualified for Medicaid, food stamps, etc.
@@gavinjenkins899 Chris wasn’t a business owner. He worked for Microsoft.
Welfare and a certain level of neglect. There are a lot of places like churches that will hand out lots of free food and donated clothes
@@Kittykat5kitsbesides, the older kids can give the younger kids their clothes as they outgrow them, and those same kids can go get jobs and buy their own new clothes.
I adore you smooth serious delivery of dad jokes mid professional narration.
Hi Dr. Grande. Great work as usual. I was wondering if you'd be interested in covering "Bishop" Dwight Reed, who married a 19 year old girl when he was 63. It's a case out of Iowa. It's disturbing to me, but apparently, some people are fine with it.😮
I married a 30-year-old at 19 and was always attracted to older men. What's wrong with it?
@tbellew100 Honey, because he is old enough to be your brother, NOT your grandfather! The power dynamic in such a relationship lends itself to abuses both financial and emotional as well as measures of coercive control! Plus, TRUST me there's a lot of physical differences between a guy of 30 and one of 63, and those 33 years change a LOT of things, endurance being just one!
@@michellesartori6695 But still there is such thing as consenting adult. I dont approve of Robert DeNiro having a baby with a twenty something while he's in his 80s as well but nobody's saying anything about it.
@@tbellew100 Agreed but how wise do you REALLY think that a 19 year old is? I have always felt old and although I was a mother of an 18 month old son at age 19 I was the exception not the rule! I would worry terribly for that 19 year old if she was my daughter and wanted to marry a 63 year old who in our case would be older than both her mother and father. I have heard so many domestic violence tragedies that while they can't always be blamed on an age disparity of a generation or more, it does heighten the risk for coercive control and other abuses. My grandson is 19 and I can say with conviction that we don't have enough jn common to have an enduring long term relationship as anything other than grandson and Grandma! While I agree that consent is given by both parties I cannot see it frequently leading to long term happiness either! But lots of money might help the longevity of said relationship!
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In addition to an excellent analysis, the wit is much appreciated.
It is the different types of humor/wit/alliteration, that keep me coming back! TY, Dr. G:)
Todd takes deadpan to a whole new level.
That bovine line was fantasteak! How did you say it with a straight face? 😂
One of your most clever tellings yet!
The father seems to have a touch of narcissism.
where did they get all that money to travel, adopt, move, purchase homes, etc...
Systems engineers make the big bucks. Some make millions a year.
"rabbits" That's why we love ya , Dr Grande
The delivery and puns are awesome!
Children are living souls. They are not here for us we are here for them. They are a blessing. Not everyone deserves children. We all will be responsible for the children we have. We will all give an account.
If WE are here for THEM, maybe WE’RE blessings. If THEY’RE the blessings, maybe they are here for us. I hear all the time about elderly parents expecting their adult children to take care of them now that the shoe is on the other foot.
It’s an interesting take that what can often be a very expensive, time-consuming and stress-inducing responsibility is considered a blessing. Not everyone will be able to relate to that sentiment.
Leaving your business' finance to a guy who had more than 4 kids is wild.
Either he can't estimate cost, or he's really good at budgeting.
Hahah, my husband is an economist… after having our first and seeing the costs he’s like ok nope one and done. I want another but I trust that hes an expert in that field, if he says we cannot afford it we cannot afford it.
I don’t understand this, having more than four kids is not that much more than one or two. Unless you’re bathing them in gold, it’s pretty easy to budget. If you can afford one, you can afford more than one.
@@KiKi-tf8rv huge difference between 4 children and 10+. And all the research shows that children end up parentified, and parentification has lasting negative impacts on children.
@@sadiefalco4673 But the OP said four kids and you said one kid. I was responding to the two of you, not a comment about ten kids. The only way two kids would be a *lot* more money, is if you’re both working and need full time daycare, and you want to have all eighteen years worth of expenses plus college tuition in the bank before the child is born. We don’t budget that way, so four kids is not a lot different than one. That may be how your husband is budgeting, though, and that would make sense.
@@sadiefalco4673- Apparently, Kiki isn't thinking about higher education, either. Very few Americans can pay for the college education of 10+ kids.
I'm from a family of 6 kids, and my dad had the nerve to say that raising 6 kids isn't that much harder than raising 2 or 3. My mother did almost all of the daily child care, in addition to working a full-time job most years. She also did virtually all of the cooking, the laundry, the grocery shopping, etc. And my siblings and I didn't most of the cleaning and yard work. My older sister and I babysat the younger 4 while our parents were at work. And my dad didn't pay for things like yearbooks, team pictures, haircuts, deodorant, or school clothes if they weren't bought before school started (which was often the case for me because I had football camp before school started and I couldn't make purchases without one of my parents present). We lived in an affluent neighborhood, but my siblings and I were often hungry (especially as preteens and teenagers) because our parents limited our portions so much to save money.
Sinaloa cartel marketplace sounds legitimate to me LOL
That's way too many to have in a family, motives definitely in question such as where do they get all that money? Very sad again. Great points again. Thanks Dr G😊💛💛
Dr. Todd,
I love your videos. They have changed my life. Your voice is so placid and monotonous, I cannot help but fall asleep as I listen. You are the cure for insomnia. Thank you for all you have done and keep up the great work!
Is it only me who wonders how someone can afford to live and have all of these children? I can understand if they lived in one place their entire life, but they have literally moved across the country multiple times and bought homes with huge mortgages.......
It’s crazy
He was a Microsoft engineer
They probably let their kids wear hand me downs and scam the government for benefits.
I wonder how the mother is able to care for all of those children now that her husband (the breadwinner) is in prison.
@@aheimdahl5201 The Govmnt in other words you & i!
Your depth & clarity of analysis is stunning! Your poetic delivery sublime. Your "hidden-in-plain-sight" humor . . . REFRESHING!
The price the family paid for their Texas home is what I paid for a modular home in Canada. Just the home, not the land.
Same.
Canadas home prices are WAY too high.
Don't forget the high exchange rate, that 30% makes a big difference in the sticker price.
@@sansnom508nah, salaries are lower in Canada and the taxes are way higher.
Seriously? I never realized home prices in Canada were so expensive.
Your deadpan delivery is so enjoyable.
Norman the cow felt normal 😂😂😂 Oh, Dr. Grande your humor is amazing! 😊❤
I love how when talking about cows and telling the story you said moooved and utterly. You are very humerous. I wonder how many other people see your sense of humer? Sometimes it may be hard given your serious persona. Just want to let you know I appreciate it and your channel.
Evangelical Christians….. that pretty much sums up all you need to know about these people.
Yeah, and they whine and complain about us Catholics.I had a great uncle who lived in California and manufactured bicycles.He was married twice and had 18 total kids , 9 from each wife.His first wife passed away, and then he remarried.Difference is, he had money for the family and this was in the 1880s, 1900s.
Thanks!
Oh, a new one. Thanks for being so consistent.❤
What a mess.
Only in America
I am one of 10 children. We were not rich, but our parents loved us and we felt special! Looking after a sibling is not necessary bad. It taught us kindness, responsibility and cooking, sewing, crochet, knitting, embroidery ect. In the school holidays we helped with the house work and none of us thought this was strange. I went to visit a school friend and I could not stay long because she had to cook for the family as the mum was working. My mum was at home and did this and we had to peel the potatoes ect. I could never say I regret being part of a big fam.
Glad you spoke out ❤!
I am 1 of 8 kids, and i hate my mother for breeding senselessly yet making it my problem. Your vagina, YOUR problem, not mine. I dont need to raise someone elses kids to learn responsibility. It made me hate kids and not want any of my own. Breeding so many kids while poor is EVEN WORSE. STOP ADDING MOUTHS TO FEED YOU TWIT.
Can't you see that you were fortunate in that your stay-at-home mother did NOT have to make a child-parent of you, but just had you help out as is done in even small families? You say you would never say you regret being one of 10, but it's weird that you don't acknowledge that being one of 10 if your mother had been out working would have been a very different experience, as you saw it was with your friend. You sort of slide over that point.
Frankly, unless you were mostly girls who could divide the housework into small shares, I don't see how you only helped with the housework in the holidays! Your mother did everything herself for all of you during the school term?
Yikes! I am in Cedar City and somehow I totally missed this story.
How did the they not get their 5 kids back! Crazy
10:53 Act now, bundle and save?!? 💀
Another subtle yet-flawless delivery. 👏🏽😂
Brilliant writing.
“Head” in quotes is making me chuckle. The shade
Always interesting
Thank you❤
I love your sense of humor
I absolutely looove your deadpan delivery of jokes and puns.