Few things to consider when doing tests like these: when switching between different ammo, your first shot or two will almost always be a "flyer". When using a bi-pod it's better to not let it sit in the crack of the bench and instead free-recoil straight back. This allows the barrel to move consistently, rather than jumping around. Lastly, 5 shot groups or bust. Three just won't paint the picture. Good luck!
The lapua scenar 123gr bullets are Good bullets. They dont expand like proper hunting bullets. But they work well for hunting birds. I load the 100gr Lapua Scenar in the Grendel to get som more Speed. The 123 has less room for powder. When my groups get bigger than they should, the things on my checklist are: 1. Me 2. Parallax 3. Loose Scope/suppressor or brake 4. Loose stock screws 5. Is some debris interfering with the free floating of the barrel. 6. And last did anybody see me shoot that crappy group. 7. Switch to 1 shot groups. Always under 0.1 Moa.
Alexander Arms 123 grain Lapua Scenar is the best out of my CZ 527 6.5 Grendel along with Nosler ammo (which you probably can't purchase very easily right now). The Nosler 123 Grain Custom Competition and 120 Grain Ballistic Tip both are excellent.
I started out with barreled action from brownells, bedded in Boyd's prairie hunter. Rifle basix v trigger, sig 4x12 hellfire scope. 1 moa with hornady black, 90gr TNT hand loads are half inch groups.
I heard there is a barrel procedure needed for Howa barrels. Please read the different Howa forums. I wanna get the same rifle. Honey Badger has a similar problem with her Howa 6.5 Grendel.
No barrel break in with mine. Loaded up some Hornady 123 ELD ahead of XBR 8208. it grouped at 1/2" at 100m for 5 shots. Have you checked the free float on the barrel. Mine shot American Gunner 123gn HP's around 1,5 " for 5 shot groups at 100m also. check your tension on the action bolts, that can make a difference to your accuracy too.
i put mine in a boyd varmint hunter thumbhole, sub moa with the 123 hornady sst. they were making a 117 gr amax but stopped. that head sitting on top of 8208 shot .6 moa all day long, with the current shit show trying to get components i havent been able to try any of the barnes in mine, currently running mine suppressed, using for groundhogs in the summer and have taken 4 deer so far with it all 1 shot kills, all with the 123 sst. from 25 yards to 340 yards, its the perfect gun for a kid young lady or a newbie that may be a bit recoil shy. thanks for postin the video
Try taking the muzzle brake off. Anything touching or attached to the barrel will change the barrel harmonics. Use a dollar bill and see if it slide between the barrel and the forearm of the stock. It shouldn't make contact until it gets back to the recoil lug or bedding block.
That is absolutely my favorite bolt gun in my collection,,i have a swampfox 2x12 on her..hornady black preforms the best..the wolf was fun until cases started rupturing. Id like to load up sone 90 grain tnt or 95gr v-max for coyotes..
I try not to shoot on Windy days My 1st 6.5 grendle in 22" barrel with ppu 120 hp ammunition in the same hole and about an inch to inch and a half with the custom SS t's Have the shorter 20" barrel now shooting about 3/4 to an inch with the SS t's if I can do my part. Did a good job on the 2 does i got on far. One dropped and one 35 yards.
Also they are reasonably light barrels they start throwing groups after 3 or so shots . I dont think your leaving enough time for the bsrrel to cool down
Every shot taken heats up the barrel more so I’m guessing the more you shoot the worse the groups unless you are allowing a cooling period and editing it.
First thing you need to check and redo is the torque of the scope mounts and action screws. I have a ruger rimfire that says 20-40in/lbs on the action. At 40in/lbs you might get a 1in group at 50 yards, with 25in/lbs is less than 1/2in at 100 yards.
The Hornady Blacks shot terrible out of my AR Grendel. My hand load 123 gr SSTs did okay. About 1.5 inches. Hand load accubond LR 129 gr was horrible. My barrel shot the best groups with 95 gr Vmax. I’m going to try some other weights but even with hand loading options for the Grendel are not great.
I wouldn't just brush off the wolf ammo. I've shot that stuff through my AR BCA and my Ruger American gen 2 and it grouped very well about 1.5 MOA @ 100yd. It did group about 1 MOA higher than the S&B and IAAC 123-4 gr ammo. Shooting from a sled will remove a lot of variables from the equation,👍
Also make sure that the bipod isn't forcing the stock into the barrel when your behind the rifle. May want to try with just a heavy bag closer to the mag where the stock is more rigid. Best of luck!
Look, lets all get this straight. I dont care what rifle it is or who makes the damn thing, no rifle will shoot good straight from the box regardless of what the manufacturer says. ALL rifles need to be carefully shot in and then fettled to a good stock, properly bedded with quality reloads and yes this all takes time and is expensive. Of course there are exceptions to the rule and you will jag a good shooter from the box but this could be considered in the rare. I have a howa in 25/06 that could not hit the side of a barn until i really worked at it with a good walnut stock and loads, it will now pick the center out of anything i point it at, my second howa is a 7.62x39 mini action that will shoot 3/4 moa with 123 grain hornadys. Guess what, they both had Hogue stocks. To quote the late great Joyce Hornady " accuracy dosent just happen, you have to make it happen". Also stop searching for railgun accuracy from a hunting setup.
With all due respect, your information is inaccurate. I have two personal examples: Savage 110 tactical in 6.5cm that shot it's literal first 5 bullets into one ragged hole(0.3"). Factory 140eldm. Never cleaned the barrel, didn't add anything to it, or read it bed time stories the night before. I literally took it out of the box and shot it. I also have a Ruger American Ranch which printed 1/2 moa out of the box with factory ammo (123eldm) and again, didn't clean. I will say that most barrels will speed up and become more accurate after about 50-200 rounds depending on the quality of the barrel. The better the barrel the shorter the break in time. Really what you are doing is adding copper to all the imperfections, essentially smoothing the bore.
More bench time Less push on the trigger Take off front scope cap Seems to be touching the barrel Take that Break off No need for the Grendel Shot the exact same groups Keep at
@@Spidermonkey2a you are welcome Wasn’t trying to beat you up but if you will start shooting at 50 yards your groups will be better and you can calculate the scope adjustment for longer yardage (dope) and your confidence will increase So if you need any pointers Let me know In always will to help young shooters and old ones to
I had a 1500 in 223 caliber and it was a dog. I sent it back for a refund because that 10 round magazine does not feed ammo properly, usually throwing the cartridge out of the mag or causing a dangerous jam. Howa knows this and has done nothing to correct it by using a stronger spring in the mag. I trashed the Nikko scope for a Vortex 4 x 12 and shot similar groups as you show at 75 yards. The barrel heats up very quickly even waiting 1 or 2 minutes between 3 shot groups. Japanese junk.. Winchester still rules.
Bro. Your traveling the wrong road. Your are loading up a stalking mountain light weight rifle with stuff it should not have...and trying to make it a target rifle...strip it down for a carry rifle.,. That's what it is,. A wonderful stalking rifle and add a compact light weight low power wide angle scope since it has no metallic sights.
Few things to consider when doing tests like these: when switching between different ammo, your first shot or two will almost always be a "flyer". When using a bi-pod it's better to not let it sit in the crack of the bench and instead free-recoil straight back. This allows the barrel to move consistently, rather than jumping around. Lastly, 5 shot groups or bust. Three just won't paint the picture. Good luck!
With all due respect, what’s the best group you’ve ever shot with any rifle? I’m thinking the rifle shoots fine and you may need more practice.
Could Always use more practice
The lapua scenar 123gr bullets are Good bullets. They dont expand like proper hunting bullets. But they work well for hunting birds.
I load the 100gr Lapua Scenar in the Grendel to get som more Speed.
The 123 has less room for powder.
When my groups get bigger than they should, the things on my checklist are:
1. Me
2. Parallax
3. Loose Scope/suppressor or brake
4. Loose stock screws
5. Is some debris interfering with the free floating of the barrel.
6. And last did anybody see me shoot that crappy group.
7. Switch to 1 shot groups.
Always under 0.1 Moa.
I too have same issue with my Howa 1500 in 7mm08, typically get 2” groups rarely under 1”
Alexander Arms 123 grain Lapua Scenar is the best out of my CZ 527 6.5 Grendel along with Nosler ammo (which you probably can't purchase very easily right now). The Nosler 123 Grain Custom Competition and 120 Grain Ballistic Tip both are excellent.
I have the excel lite chassis version with a 20" barrel. It shoots the Barnes factory 115gr ammo into 3/4" groups.
I started out with barreled action from brownells, bedded in Boyd's prairie hunter. Rifle basix v trigger, sig 4x12 hellfire scope. 1 moa with hornady black, 90gr TNT hand loads are half inch groups.
I heard there is a barrel procedure needed for Howa barrels. Please read the different Howa forums. I wanna get the same rifle. Honey Badger has a similar problem with her Howa 6.5 Grendel.
I will definitely have to look into it. Thanks
No barrel break in with mine. Loaded up some Hornady 123 ELD ahead of XBR 8208. it grouped at 1/2" at 100m for 5 shots. Have you checked the free float on the barrel. Mine shot American Gunner 123gn HP's around 1,5 " for 5 shot groups at 100m also. check your tension on the action bolts, that can make a difference to your accuracy too.
Yes I did check that. I'll give it another look though. Thanks :)
i put mine in a boyd varmint hunter thumbhole, sub moa with the 123 hornady sst. they were making a 117 gr amax but stopped. that head sitting on top of 8208 shot .6 moa all day long, with the current shit show trying to get components i havent been able to try any of the barnes in mine, currently running mine suppressed, using for groundhogs in the summer and have taken 4 deer so far with it all 1 shot kills, all with the 123 sst. from 25 yards to 340 yards, its the perfect gun for a kid young lady or a newbie that may be a bit recoil shy. thanks for postin the video
Awesome. I like it but a little shocked at the groups. But then again I think I need more practice 🤔 lol. Thanks for watching
I use Wolf 6.5 Grendel in a CZ 527 and a BCA AR15 and both shoot darn near MOA @ 100 yards. Check your scope.
Thanks for watching
Try taking the muzzle brake off. Anything touching or attached to the barrel will change the barrel harmonics. Use a dollar bill and see if it slide between the barrel and the forearm of the stock. It shouldn't make contact until it gets back to the recoil lug or bedding block.
Will do. Much appreciated
You just got a new subscriber!
Much appreciated! Glad to have you along
That is absolutely my favorite bolt gun in my collection,,i have a swampfox 2x12 on her..hornady black preforms the best..the wolf was fun until cases started rupturing. Id like to load up sone 90 grain tnt or 95gr v-max for coyotes..
What's the reason for the break on a 6.5 Grendel about
Muzzle rise mostly.
I try not to shoot on Windy days My 1st 6.5 grendle in 22" barrel with ppu 120 hp ammunition in the same hole and about an inch to inch and a half with the custom SS t's Have the shorter 20" barrel now shooting about 3/4 to an inch with the SS t's if I can do my part. Did a good job on the 2 does i got on far. One dropped and one 35 yards.
Also they are reasonably light barrels they start throwing groups after 3 or so shots . I dont think your leaving enough time for the bsrrel to cool down
Every shot taken heats up the barrel more so I’m guessing the more you shoot the worse the groups unless you are allowing a cooling period and editing it.
Seems to be a fine line no matter what. Definitely a possibility though
Hope you get some better luck!
I'll keep practicing
Where did you get that stock? It looks awesome
Thats how I bought it
First thing you need to check and redo is the torque of the scope mounts and action screws.
I have a ruger rimfire that says 20-40in/lbs on the action.
At 40in/lbs you might get a 1in group at 50 yards, with 25in/lbs is less than 1/2in at 100 yards.
The Hornady Blacks shot terrible out of my AR Grendel. My hand load 123 gr SSTs did okay. About 1.5 inches. Hand load accubond LR 129 gr was horrible. My barrel shot the best groups with 95 gr Vmax. I’m going to try some other weights but even with hand loading options for the Grendel are not great.
What brand of upper are ya using?
What’s your barrel length? I’m looking for what shoots good outta grendal pistol
Is an AR15parts upper. 20 inch. My best group was 95 gr Vmax at about .7 MOA. 123 gr SSt shoot about 1.25 MOA for me.
SST’s perform excellent out of my 18” barreled AR 6.5
Lose action screws can cause shifty groups.
I wouldn't just brush off the wolf ammo. I've shot that stuff through my AR BCA and my Ruger American gen 2 and it grouped very well about 1.5 MOA @ 100yd. It did group about 1 MOA higher than the S&B and IAAC 123-4 gr ammo.
Shooting from a sled will remove a lot of variables from the equation,👍
My Ruger American predator will stack Hornady 123 grain SST customs. Different strokes I guess lol
They haven't performed well in my rugers but that didn't stop me from taking deer with them lol
@@Spidermonkey2a I wonder if it’s a difference barrel specs in a series of rifles sold
Definitely a possibility. Or I could be a lousy shot lol
I’ve had 5 howa rifles now and they all shoot at least .5 moa. So the problem is most likely not the rifle.
That gun should be a tack driver. Get rid of the muzzle brake, and get a better scope. Make sure the action screws are tight.
Been working with it lately and it's gotten better
Also make sure that the bipod isn't forcing the stock into the barrel when your behind the rifle. May want to try with just a heavy bag closer to the mag where the stock is more rigid. Best of luck!
Mine likes the Fusion 120 gr.
I’d be betting it’s the brake you got on it
Good possibility
Very inconsistent head position/cheek weld behind scope
Something I'm working on. Thanks for watching
Look, lets all get this straight. I dont care what rifle it is or who makes the damn thing, no rifle will shoot good straight from the box regardless of what the manufacturer says. ALL rifles need to be carefully shot in and then fettled to a good stock, properly bedded with quality reloads and yes this all takes time and is expensive. Of course there are exceptions to the rule and you will jag a good shooter from the box but this could be considered in the rare. I have a howa in 25/06 that could not hit the side of a barn until i really worked at it with a good walnut stock and loads, it will now pick the center out of anything i point it at, my second howa is a 7.62x39 mini action that will shoot 3/4 moa with 123 grain hornadys. Guess what, they both had Hogue stocks. To quote the late great Joyce Hornady " accuracy dosent just happen, you have to make it happen". Also stop searching for railgun accuracy from a hunting setup.
With all due respect, your information is inaccurate. I have two personal examples: Savage 110 tactical in 6.5cm that shot it's literal first 5 bullets into one ragged hole(0.3"). Factory 140eldm. Never cleaned the barrel, didn't add anything to it, or read it bed time stories the night before. I literally took it out of the box and shot it. I also have a Ruger American Ranch which printed 1/2 moa out of the box with factory ammo (123eldm) and again, didn't clean.
I will say that most barrels will speed up and become more accurate after about 50-200 rounds depending on the quality of the barrel. The better the barrel the shorter the break in time. Really what you are doing is adding copper to all the imperfections, essentially smoothing the bore.
There is a break in period most guns don’t shoot same hole out of the box
More bench time
Less push on the trigger
Take off front scope cap
Seems to be touching the barrel
Take that Break off
No need for the Grendel
Shot the exact same groups
Keep at
Thanks for watching
@@Spidermonkey2a you are welcome
Wasn’t trying to beat you up but if you will start shooting at 50 yards your groups will be better and you can calculate the scope adjustment for longer yardage (dope) and your confidence will increase
So if you need any pointers
Let me know
In always will to help young shooters and old ones to
No worries. I'm definitely no marksman so any pointers are appreciated.
Pretty cool gun…definitely run different ammunition.
It could have been a combo of me as well. Lol
@@Spidermonkey2a in my case it’s always me
I hear ya there lol
I had a 1500 in 223 caliber and it was a dog. I sent it back for a refund because that 10 round magazine does not feed ammo properly, usually throwing the cartridge out of the mag or causing a dangerous jam. Howa knows this and has done nothing to correct it by using a stronger spring in the mag. I trashed the Nikko scope for a Vortex 4 x 12 and shot similar groups as you show at 75 yards. The barrel heats up very quickly even waiting 1 or 2 minutes between 3 shot groups. Japanese junk.. Winchester still rules.
Ironically, several Winchester firearms are made in Japan.
Bro. Your traveling the wrong road. Your are loading up a stalking mountain light weight rifle with stuff it should not have...and trying to make it a target rifle...strip it down for a carry rifle.,. That's what it is,. A wonderful stalking rifle and add a compact light weight low power wide angle scope since it has no metallic sights.
Break in procedure is a must. Too late now. JB’s is the ticket.
I blame Russia.
Seriously, the scope is shit.
You're shooting downhill. That immediately affects your poi. Gravity is real. Numbers are calculated for long distance shots for just this.
oldschooldude,
"...today we'll be shooting 100 yard target groups..."
Anything less than 30° / less than 100 yards does not need to be factored in.
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@@fjb4932 I wouldn't venture so far to assume that. Some calibers are zeroed at 200, 300 yds.