Next Gen AMD CPUs Are Wild - How Zen 6 Can Fix CPUs
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Next Gen AMD CPUs Are Wild - How Zen 6 Can Fix CPUs
AMD's Zen 5 Ryzen 9000 CPUs will be launching soon as well as Intel's Arrow Lake CPUs which are likely to bring substantial performance increases. Yet there is another. According to speculation and leaks the Zen 6 CPUs could be the largest improvement we have ever seen in the Zen microarchitecture.
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That’s why it’s so high energy. Snorting speed at the beginning of each vid.
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thats what i like his video.. he is uniq in his video when it start... better then logo ex....
Probably cause he just did before the camera turns on lol
Crazy that there is so much buzz around Zen 6 already when 5 isn't even out yet.
yeah, I was confused for a minute and then I thought it was a typo in the description.
@@Zimbob2424 If leaks and rumors are to be believed, zen6 is going to be like what zen 2 was to zen 1. If AMD gets it all working without being super expensive it probably will be a big deal but it's a ways away.
Zen 6 might not be even called Zen 6, it is mentioned that AMD is considering overhauling its name due to its radical design that changes everything bottom all the way to top
Who knows the new name could be AMD Chill.
that is likely because they are doubling the maximum number of cores and there is not expected to be much is any decline in frequency over zen 5 which is already deliverying a massive IPC increase, meaning you could finally have a single die 16 core, 32 thread processors without the latency problems that can hit current 16 core processors because of the interconnect bottleneck hitting them two different ways (one for the I/O die and one for the processor to processor interconnect), which makes the increase in IPC on zen 6 axiomatic on the 16 core and 12 (and presumably future 14 core) chips.
I'm already waiting for Zen 7
/puts on hipster glasses
Don't get caught up in the hype. The average user doesn't need the fastest and newest cpu.
I find my "new" Ryzen 5800X system great for gaming and everything else. I have an RTX 3070 and it always, always bottlenecks on the card.
We’re on 6th gen? Man I’m over here with a 3600 lol
Not RYZEN 6, but ZEN 6.
if im right 6th gen is ryzen 10.000 , ryzen 9000 is next
it probably still copes well at 1080p?
But i have it too
@@timibaer88ps42 This is true, we're on Ryzen 8000 rn. One thing to note is that every other generation is more of a refresh, usually for mobile APUs.
CPUs don't need a fix. GPUs do.
Actually no CPUs do need to fix and it's not whatever AMD is doing right now The fix is arm
@@Alphabet7 arm is just overhyped. Most people don't seem to have noticed, that the once 'so great' efficiency advantage has mostly vanished already with AMD's recent CPUs, with the AMDs of course being way more performant. And with performance on the ARM side growing, it will become even worse, because more performance always lower efficiency. Because of the later, the hype always was already bit silly, when ARM still was much slower than x86 and people yet compared efficiency. In the end ARM will be very close to x86 in performance as well as efficiency - but still with the disadvantage of not being compatible to decades of software.
One important fact to know is:
Each and every technology ever did and will lose efficiency the more you performance you forecefully try to get out, because this is simple physics. Once you leave the sweet spot you will gain way less performance than you need for additional power. It's the typical example of a 5GHz CPU needing twice as much power as a 4GHz CPU (of same arcitecture of course, becaue otherwise it wold be comparing apples to pears).
The other important fact to know is:
When comparing different architectures, be it different lines, like mobile and stationary CPUs, or different vendors with different aplpications, you will always see that these technologies are optimized to their respective niche. *Of course* ARM CPUs that only still exsist because of their popularity in mobile technologies* had a great efficiency as their focus for many years. Opposed to x86, where high performance was key for decades.
But: changing each architecture, by adapting it for different applications (like many vendors are doing right now with increasing the performance of ARM cores) *WILL* unpreventably have negative impact on their efficiency. Of course this does not mean, that the overall efficiency has to become worse - but these cores' efficiency won't be as good as the efficiency of ARM cores that stil lare optimized towards maximum efficiency, like all the years before.
Yes, there also are some architecture specific downsides and advantages but, as adr2t already said: Vendors are workigng at mitigating these.
@@elmariachi5133 x86 is legacy. It's like using Internet explorer instead of edge or chrome. Gpus are already so powerful and I'm sure with the introduction of npus they'll get even better
@@elmariachi5133you know you make no sense right?
@@Alphabet7too much x86 code out there for arm to ever threaten x86
Interesting Zen 6 discussions are starting with Zen 5 not being out as of today May 23rd 2024. Leaving my two cents, there’s no way they’d launch a product with a 80% uplift in performance from the previous generation if we’re talking about instructions per clock anyway.
I believe we as the consumers would have to skip multiple generations to finally get to an 80% improvement. Maybe Zen 2 to Zen 6 would be 80%. There’s just no way they’d unleash that much in one shot because it would cause consumers to not have to need or want another cpu for a longer amount of time. Just like phones, they upgrade this and that, maybe 20-30% better every year.
AMD lacks ambition as a company. Zen 5 is miniscule upgrade to the current tech. If they truly had ambition they would have demanded that their board partners made 8-10 layers motherboards for DDR5 8000Mhz support like the Asus Gene. Most mb cant support more than they do today.. Once Intel figures their fabs out their done for once again, Intel was the first company to buy 2nm production gear. I just hope Pat can get the old colossus Intel to perform again. At current prices chiplets are an offence to the consumer. They reap the benefits of cost saving and the customer is stuck with a mediocre cpu. If intel wanted to they could just increase prices like nVidia and offer a 10-12core lightning fast cpu. Its their old mindset of TDP and current pricing holding them back.
You'd be right in most circumstances although AMD need to grab market share with a big release.
im sure zen 7 will be more wilder
Yeah I'm sure Zen 8 will be even crazier!
Zen 9 will be unparalleled.
Don't even get me started with Zen 10
Amateur, just wait for zen 11.
When Zen 12 comes out I’ll make sure to be there XD
Isn't the big.LITTLE architecture considered chiplet not monolithic?
I hope scheduler will get finally some upgrades, as x3d chip just for your game, and another whatever, normal or c version for OS and background sound like another 20% of free performance.
its just about scheduler.
if they get that right, 80% is possible. otherwise best to best will most likely give you about 60% more fps.
Microsoft f'me on the scheduler on my 12700k and 14900k, I wont buy a hybrid part again for this reason. Microsoft uses 2.5years to fix basic stuff.
We're living in 1920's with that ammount of crack you spray over us every month
my guy flip flops more than the the crack that he's sniffing
80% faster than Zen 4 means that Zen 5 is 34% faster than Zen 4 while Zen 6 is 34% faster than Zen 5.
I see that in select workloads, but I cannot imagine that being representative of daily performance.
They're probably talking about single-thread workloads at max clock speed. With realistic workloads, newer processors are faster but not massively so.
@@devilsoffspring5519 That would be even more incredible. Multi-thread performance can be easier to improve since the clocks at full load are so much lower than the single-thread boost
@@Austin1990 Depends on the chip I guess, my 5800X (Ryzen 7 8-core, 16-thread) runs at 4.85 GHz from 1 to 8 threads. It slows down to 4.75 GHz on all 16 threads. Not a huge difference but newer Ryzen chips run at ~5.6 GHz or so on lower thread counts, which will improve loading times and single-thread performance.
What are you talking about ? They don't have latency problems it's a different architecture that's like saying an v8 has size issues compared to an inline 4...
They are faster that's what matters, they don't try to hide any latencies with 3dcache that's like saying Intel is trying to hide their slower IPC with increasing the clocks lol
And infinity fabric has a bidirectional 400gb/s bandwidth (800gb total on both directions) not 45lol also and isn't trying to do what Intel does, Intel with foveros hopes that one day in the future will do what amd does now .
I agree. I have a 7900x and I don’t feel any type of latency. Nothing that says this is giving me a bad experience so let me go over to intel. I don’t know where guys are getting this information from.
@@nickpope5438 Have you even tried an oc Intel cpu? Amd says 63ns on their promo stuff and I have this very second 47ns. As long as the info fits in the little x3d buffer you dont notice the huge latency problem with that design, but once the info dont fit or the prediction guesses wrong the cpu need to read from that high latency ram connection. Then your fps will drop. To avoid this the software always have to be spot on to fill the little cache info with the essential information.
@@impuls60 umm I started out using intel. My first intel cpu was a 6700k all the way up to a 10900k. I started to buy the 13900k but I decided to give AMD a try. Not a bad decision like how some people say. And you can throw all the information you want. All I know is when I game I don’t feel latency. It’s really smooth when I play. But I mean take it for what it is worth dude
@@impuls60 dude besides me having 47 ns since zen 3 lol (you can overclock amd chips too you know ) it's totally irrelevant latency is not an issue if you are faster anyway (e.g in rendering, gaming etc ) and a 7950x non x3d is faster than most CPUs out there the x3d is even faster so what's your point ?
I wonder if AMD will move to a hybrid architecture like Intel does at some point.
My only concern is that the latency might be too high for the communication between the P and E cores.
Zen 6 design is still not even finished... we cant know how fast it will be... I guess we might have an idea about the IPC leaking like in early 2025 or mid 2025 but before that is 110% speculation.
7800x3d will work for me till Zen 10
The way he inhales and turns as quick as possible to the camera after hitting record.
Kudos for describing and linking sources. I don't care so much about the happy path performance as much as greatly narrowing the gap between 1% lows Vs the average.
Still rocking the 5950x here. I think it's time to upgrade given the massive performance increases gen to gen.
5800X3D and 7800X3D are the best :)
My 7950X begs to differ.
@@francoisleveille409 For gaming the 7800X3D is the best gaming CPU and for the price its not even close . Of course if you look outside of just gaming that CPU is better .
@@francoisleveille409 price to performance wise that's strange to compare.
I got 7800X3D for 290 on sale, but can't get 7950 below 480.
Epyc 4484PX is my eden get away thoses from me that oddly gave me hopes I WILL BREAK EVERYTHING !!
@@francoisleveille409 he was thinking for games and less cash 💸
this was said about Zen 5 a year ago, and in reality it's slower than the X3D variants despite it being a generational upgrade. Just get the 7800X3D, they're dirt cheap now.
The infinity frabric bandwidth is dependent on the RAM speed so no apart from you not being able to run the infinity fabric fast enough for the RAM the IF doesn't effect memory speed, I does however effect memory latency.
My man been looking THICC with two c's and two curls. Good Job.
My humble 5700G has surprising performance in certain tasks despite it having only half the cache most likely due to it's monolithic die.
And here I am still trying to get used to the superior performance of my "new" 5800X system! :)
There essentially 2 "lanes" per ccd for memory but Ryzen only uses 1 of them. Epyc uses both of them and it could seriously help the memory.
Zen 5 is the complete overhauled architecture, everything is widened out, so there is really more performance comming!
Zen 6 is a "just" minor optimization of the CPU cores of the Zen 5 CPUs, but it's priority lies in the IO DIE, the stacking/packaging technology etc, therefore I suspect the idle power sonsumption is finaly going down, sincwe the chiplet design consumes way more power in idle than every other CPU (Intel and AMDs own monolithic APUs).
Also, when there is this LCAMM / whatever debate: ok, more bandwith. GPUs need bandwidth, not CPUs. CPUs need fast memory access, therefore low latency and the latency (in nanoseconds) hasn't really gotten better over the years. Even DDR2-800MHz CL4-4-4-12 was very good back in the day and now look at the timings and subtimings of the "standard" RAMs in the systems, especially in OEM systems. And then also on laptops RAM (SO-DIMMs). The CL-values rise more than the MT, therefore higher latency (in nanoseconds).
CPU need low latency or better, less memory access in total, because that takes time! Therefore: more and faster L3 cache helps!
GPUs need bandwidth! Access times / latency is far less critical. Hughes amounts of textures have to me moved.
Also, VRAM, GDDR is based in DDR, just optimized for GPUs --> way more bandwidth but higher latency, because it doesn't matter.
For APUs... well, a compromise must be found obviously.
Arm is the future
lol. For what market segment? Certainly not gaming and digital content creation applications.
i mean Arm is just a monolithic CPU with a very tight packageing. like cpu, gpu, npu, and using Ram like a L3 cache or something. everything under one hut.
For lightweight laptops, arm is the future as long as it runs cool and has great battery life
Arm काय असते
If mobile phone apu is future, I wan't to get off this world
I think AMD also aims to replace GPUs and move them onto the CPU dye set. With the Ryzen 8000, they eliminate the need for a dedicated GPU for esports players. Wonder if they will climb into low/mid-tear GPU performance in a few years with integrated graphics.
The Infinity bandwidth is bidirectional so you can't compare it with memory bandwidth.
zen6 ; amd remove SMT for little cores act as extra thread per big cores, amd solved all cpu waiting problem with OS schedular that SMT been problem since its birth when 2 threads are thrashing on its owned due to issue with registers not designed to do 2 threads simultaneous caching...seems to me, intel is lightyears ahead in that dept when AMD starting to realize SMT should been discontinue sooner and replace with extra cores...intel is doing fine in core to core bandwidth and only one gonna beyond 2 tb/s bandwidth
Threading helps more than you think, and not all programming uses true threading either. So you are a bit wrong in most cases. Intel is doing it because they want to remove complexity and cost, not because of performance reasons. I wonder if you know why applications use threading at all really lol? "2 threads are thrashing" like lol??????
u think zen 6 be on am5 or ddr6 i here ddr7 is out and fast on am7
zen 6 is probably AM5 ddr5. Zen 7 is gonna be AM6 ddr6. The time taken from DDR generation specifications being completed to wide consumer release is a few years.
A constructive criticism:
This is the first video I am watching from you.
Maybe this is due to the editing: I can not hear any gap between your sentences. The gap is the same as between any other 2 subsequent words.
This makes everything less understandable.
The entire video sounds like one fast sentence.
I would slow down, at least at the end of the sentences. Faster is not always better.
I can’t wait to pop that 9800x3d in my system :)
Here I am with my ryzen 5 5500u notebook laptop 🫠🫠🫠
Oh Zen 6 80% faster than Zen 4, well in that case, assuming we are talking about multi threaded performance there is supposed to be a 50% increase in core count, so yeh that sounds completely reasonable, 80% faster in ST na I don't believe you.
THAT CHIP WILL BE A YEAR LATE
7950x3d scheduled for cache
So they're basically moving the chiplets closer, because the old design has too much latency in design without X3D? And Infinity fabric is holding back things? I'm not buying that. Your being a performance snob. The 7600X matches the 5800X3D in many games.
It does for now however AMD can't afford to stand still and ignore this to be potentially overtaken by Intel. Keep in mind that that there are ever diminishing returns from the shrinking of the lithography and it's the optimisations in the CPU designs that are what's required to make the real worthwhile differences these days. It suspect that it also gives other advantages such as being able to fit more chiplets on a single substrate? I am open to input on my points.
We don't want any more x86 chips anymore. they must switch to arm chip
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Next cpu look wilder then ever😂
After Zen 6 fixes CPUs, Zen 7 is going to fix you!
Anyone know if Zen5 (Ryzen 9000) is getting a new chipset to go with it?
Yes new chipset is X770E & B750 for Ryzen 9000.
For Ryzen 7000 it was X670E and B650.
But X670E and B650 will support Ryzen 9000 w update.
When Zen 6 comes out AM5 is dead, Zen 6 will be on AM6.
Chipset Zen 4 (AMD 600), Zen 5 (AMD 700), Zen 6 (AMD800).
Yes but no new socket. Ddr6 wont come until Ryzen 7 maybe.
@@winnb4968doubtful since amd themselves have said am5 will last at least 3 generations which would by Ryzen 7000 9000 and 10000 am6 will be after Ryzen 6
AM5 will be supported until at least 2027. And who knows how long it will actually be supported, considering that AM4 is long past its original date of support and it's getting two new CPUs later this year...
I want to see a high performance ARM + AMD Radeon SoC for Windows on ARM
You will soon. It will be multiple ARM procs on a mobo. Win 12 is already made to use them natively.
Nice, but I want to see Mediatek+Nvidia SoC next year.
I got a secred info no one has reported yet!??
Zen7 will be even better!
Fucking joke, we do not have 5 yet and and start allready hyping Zen6.
Not this bullshit again 😒
Do this again Conner I will throw u before the board. All know what ever asymmetrical AMD 3D u chose for games and simulations unless u have compiled for 2P means u isolate 3D processing to that ccd. mb
They can fix zen5 by going to a new socket that has 32 to 48 pcie gen5 lanes. That is if AMD actually wants to beat Intel one day!
This is such an exagerate dumb rumor. Performance improvements do not stack like this. If AMD reduces latency, the cache performance boost is reduced.
He is totally tripping.
I am turned off of Intel from 10th Gen and onward. Intel moved the BIOS chip off the CPU and onto the motherboard, like it was decades ago. It causes noticeable lag in the desktop similarly to Zen 1. What a step backwards!
Then, beginning with Coffee Lake, Intel changed its Turbo specs where not all of the chips would perform the same even at stock settings due to variances in silicon. You would have OEM systems with an i7 8700k performing from +15% faster than AMD's R5 2600X to a tad slower. In the past, the silicon lottery was for OC'ers only!
The Ryzen 7000X chips burning up was a bad move by AMD. But, Intel has made systemic poor design changes. I can just get a non-X or X3D chips by AMD.
Interesting
How can you know about Zen 6 if Zen 5 isn't even out yet? Clickbait and bullshit.
this remind me when athlonxp came out winning so much they forgot about latency issues that first i7 and i5 show how its done back then, i am very surprise intel survive this longer since pentium 4 to core i7 success ...it took them 3 years for research that really paid off while AMD was close to bankruptcy after releasing phenom to bulldozer debacle...not sure how amd be this close to lose it all from success of amd k6, athlon, amd64, phenom 2?? its like story with tortoise and hare ...in the end the tortoise wins due to experience and future planning while amd rushes to defeat that seems winnable to it, but froget that it can't learned from its mistakes
so even zen 6 wont be arm ...they are so late in the market i wish in the next years will have arm and for gaming
Arm sucks and won't be good for gaming.
The more I hear from Zen 6 the less faith I have that it will be also on AM5 !😒
Hey, windows OEM keys are bad. And you need to go understand the difference between oem and retail keys. - if your pushing ppl for oem keys im unlikely to trust you for anything due to a lack of competence or intelligence.
What’s the difference between the two? Thanks in advance.
man i feel bad for intel they should cry lol I like that amd kept bullying intel lol I bought amd cpu and gpu I think amd cpu Is great but amd gpu has issue driver is not stay able game crash too much raytress sucks fsr make poor quality image and mostly runs to fking hot and eats a lot of electricity
The intros are so annoying
Looks like he’s doing coke 😂
I’m just here for the intros
A LOT of TALK… I miss Out….
Everything is going to change to ARM processors in windows 12, it's already made to use them. They're faster than intel and amd, they run cooler by 50%. Now think multiple ARM chips on a mobo.
That's not what recent benchmarks says though
Literally nothing you said was true lmao
@@diamondlion47 What is Qualcomm x elite?
The new X Elite can deliver the highest NPU performance per watt for laptops, up to 2.6X better compared to the Apple M3 silicon and up to 5.4X than Intel's Core Ultra 7 155h series. -- PCs with Snapdragon X Elite can generate photorealistic synthetic images in less than a second on gen AI-powered photo generator apps. Win 12 is being made to run those natively. I guess you're too stupid to understand.
@@sergiofonseca2285 What is Qualcomm x elite?
The new X Elite can deliver the highest NPU performance per watt for laptops, up to 2.6X better compared to the Apple M3 silicon and up to 5.4X than Intel's Core Ultra 7 155h series. -- PCs with Snapdragon X Elite can generate photorealistic synthetic images in less than a second on gen AI-powered photo generator apps. They can put multiples on a mobo without heat issues. Win 12 is made to run Arm natively. I guess you're a meat in bread person from Walmart.
@@sergiofonseca2285 Yes, Windows 12 is expected to support ARM chipsets and treat ARM ISA as a first-class citizen in the OS. This is because many companies, including NVIDIA and AMD, are planning to use an ARM instruction set for their next-generation PC chips.
Apple has had 1tb/s ultra fusion years ago. AMD sucks
Apple didn't care about the implementation costs coz their fanboys will pay anything to write their novel on.