I’m working on finishing my bachelors degree and was delighted to have my seemingly main stream ag professor mention Dr. James White. He said some of his fellow professors still aren’t on board and adhering to their textbooks from the 80s but you could see how absolutely excited this old PhD was. He pointed to his bookshelf behind his desk, and said not a single one of those textbooks mentions anything like this. It’s like it breathed new life into it for him.
Some of us farmers are getting just as excited! Things will really start to change in the universities only when the flow of $$$ changes. When regenerative farmers start to make enough money per acre that they start outbidding the big conventional farmers for land, the big conventional farmers will then realize they need to change, and then Syngenta, Nutrien, etc. will stop printing money and their influence on academia will wane.
@@tonywhinklethat’s a great point and it seems many Regen operations are already passing their neighbors like the 0 nitrogen input corn John mentions. Things look bright!
I’m 81 and wish I was 31. Our time now feels more hopeful than any time in the last 70 years. The political economy and environmental knowledge are coming to a critical ferment. Can you feel the excitement?
This is an amazing, significant conversation. Thank you. It's the way forward for greening the desert and protecting our forests and making agriculture sustainable.
Amazing. I had read his book: The Clavicipitalean Fungi and was absolutely blown away by it. It didn't even register he had written it until I saw it just now in the details below the video.
Omg...you guys just enlightened (scientifically?) my existing practice of using one of the JADAM methods of farming naturally. In summary and easiness, I used undisturbed, adapted, matured(10-20yrs old) trees' leaf molds from around my farm and multiply these thru a simple process within 24-36hrs to get a huge drum solution of Microbial Solution (MS), concentrated. I use these for seed,seedlings soaking prior to transplanting. And also use a diluted MS to irrigate my farm fortnightly. And the costs to make this MS is dirt cheap, practically negligible. 😂. You guys just make my day as I keep getting criticism on this way of farming without the science to support the JADAM ways. Tq❤
I use Jadam and KNF in my vegetable gardens and am moving into serradella pasture development in this winter season. Keep with it. You are the future. ❤
At about 45 minutes, Dr. White was talking about the necessity of endophytes producing superoxide, a familiar substance from previous talks. This time he got more into the production of the hormone ethylene, also a product of bacterial endophytes. I postulate that The soil eco-system must oscillate between aerobic and anaerobic on a regular (daily) basis for the rhizophagy cycle to function really well. That means the soil has to have efficient gas exchange. This requires management of compaction and micro-erosion.
Yes, healthy soil (and Ecosystem) Will have oscillations in the degree of oxidation reduction potential (oscillations between the soil, being more aerobic or more anaerobic). I would have to believe, though that those oscillations are the most healthy under natural rain patterns Of the plants origin. Since most of our agricultural cultivars tend to have an origin of region of regular rain, Then that oscillation of saturated soil to Unsaturated soil might have been once every few days or once a week. Certainly there are tropical places Where cultures have come from that get daily rain and have daily cycles Of oxidation reduction potential. But if you take a Cultivar like dragon fruit or pomegranate, I suspect that all of the microorganism relationships that have been coevolved with those plants, are optimized for much longer cycles like a month or a few months.
So is this comparable to how we are discovering the significance of gut microbes to our health as humans? The way that plants also have microbes inside and around them that make nutrients available for them that facilitates their health and growth?
Lactobacillus, Fermented plant juice, Oriental Herbal Nutrient, clean straw in a 5 gal. bucket with clean water & seeds will germinate & grow, gentleman 🙂 Thank you for your wonderful work 🙂
What is the mechanism that allows pathogenic fungi to extract nutrients from the endophytic bacteria? how are they extracting this energy, what is the mechanism? Are they using enzymes to break down the bacteria? And, what is the mechanism for the bacteria to accumulate in the fungi? Is there a certain concentration threshold that you are seeing where the fungi do or don’t prey on the plants?
For the corn varieties grown with pesticides and fertilizers, french farmers and scientists have testified that many of them don't (or can't) form mycorhizae. So now they're asking their seed providers for varieties that do form mycorhizae.
Those landrace corn MO slurries could be of real interest in general crop cultivation, but especially in poaceae. Having this as the main base of all the western diets makes this really exciting.
The plant exposome drives epigenetic changes in plants, I have found the memory of the plant remains in the undisturbed regenerative soil aggregates in soils containing perennial plant diversity, seeds of tropical fruit trees grown naturally do not seem to instill the biology into disturbed Edaphic soils without feeding soil microbiology prebiotics and probiotics in combination with permanent undisturbed perennial plant diversity🐸 Been awhile since I watched any of your videos but I saw Dr. White who I admire, thank you
On the seed saving concept, the thought comes to mind to remain in a higher moisture content and possibly pair with the food source or compost like was talked about, but maybe freeze or even take to just a cool temperature for where fungi, molds and biology we don't want would not propagate. This aligned with the concept of mimic nature with the corn. Cob sits on the ground, frozen over the winter, and then it is spring, the environment changes. Just my two cents
The CMC company makes a grain storage based on research done at Iowa State in the early 70's. Early commercialization called the technique "chill curing". Hi static air pressure was maintained in a maximum grain depth of 13.3'. The temperature and dormancy produced dormancy at higher grain moisture. The quality of the grain was exceptional and obvious to the eye. It mimmicks crib cured ear corn. I think both have the ability to preserve the viability of the endophyte community to advance the health of the proginy. Seed corn is still being cured on the cob to this day. Then we ruin it by applying a fungicide to the seed.
@@jimmartindale Awesome! Thanks for sharing that! (also cleaned up my train wreck sentence structure from speech to text). Going to share this with @growthefarmup and others!
When you speak of stimulating bacterial growth and seeing a fungal increase a few weeks later, are you aware the there are some endophitic fungi that survive the cooking process in molassis? Can't recall if this was as spores or as propagules. (I presumed the carbohydrate you used was molassis) Maybe that is the reason for the increase you see.
First off apologies for this awkward comment/interruption of mine. Some know what hydroponics is: some have close to a foundational understanding: others (like myself) have a brief overview. So specifically, is hydroponics, in the unbiased opinion of our customers or target audience, good or bad? Then what’s is your honest but unbiased opinion, on the subject? My take is idk you can do a lot weird stuff to it, and most would never know how it may negatively or possibly, or maybe possibly somehow in a to be determined way positively impact them? Does it even provide or can it adequately provide nutrient content?
I often hear humid and fulvic acid described as fungal food. Can someone explain how if I’m understanding that correctly? Do that break it down for nutrition or is it a stimulant of sorts?
Sort of, it is organically chelating the food that is there(minerals) so that it can be more easily absorbed by the fungi, so in effect they start eating faster. Fulvic and humic acid work the same, the only difference is that humic acid works within a more narrow range of pH. They also accelerate rhizophagey for the same reasons. 🦬👍👍
At 45:48 John says that's why a tomato grown hydroponically tastes better than a tomato grown in an organic garden. Isn't this the wrong way round? Doesn't an organic garden equate to plants growing in an oxidative, biological soil that James says results in the plant having a more healthy range of phenolics and aromatic compounds?
Fukuoka Masanobu meticulously detailed the yields are comparable with "chemical free" cultivation 🙂 Fukuoka is still the LOWEST COGS & "cleanest" 🙂 The one straw revolution 🙂
Why would anyone allow some entity tell them how what when or where they plant anything on the land they care for is WAY beyond my limited ability to comprehend.🤔 Illegal to use or share our own seed? How incredulously unimaginable that anyone would ever submit to evil cloaked as a "law."
Seed genetics have become so controlled that folks are scared to plant a variety back, for fear the open pollinated seeds will have picked up GMO traits and they could be set to lose their crops. As evil as monsanto and the like are, they are very effective at what they do.
Pure evil. Dr. White sits in the crosshairs of the demon possessed global elites which are striving in every way imaginable to terminate 90% of us as quickly and thoroughly as possible.
Monsanto has NOT been in existence for almost 7 years and all that left of them is an empty filing cabinet!!! No ONE tells the farmer what seed to plant!!! It has been illegal to save patented seed for 54 years now and we have had patented seed for 54 years!!!! You are really clueless about this subject. @@josmith1005
I’m working on finishing my bachelors degree and was delighted to have my seemingly main stream ag professor mention Dr. James White. He said some of his fellow professors still aren’t on board and adhering to their textbooks from the 80s but you could see how absolutely excited this old PhD was. He pointed to his bookshelf behind his desk, and said not a single one of those textbooks mentions anything like this. It’s like it breathed new life into it for him.
Scientific dogma is the most dangerous dogma. The most important skill in our field is the ability to unlearn. Welcome to 21st century ag.
Some of us farmers are getting just as excited! Things will really start to change in the universities only when the flow of $$$ changes. When regenerative farmers start to make enough money per acre that they start outbidding the big conventional farmers for land, the big conventional farmers will then realize they need to change, and then Syngenta, Nutrien, etc. will stop printing money and their influence on academia will wane.
@@tonywhinklethat’s a great point and it seems many Regen operations are already passing their neighbors like the 0 nitrogen input corn John mentions. Things look bright!
57 and reignighted to life feeling as excited and wonderstruck as i was at 17... beautiful insights into the profundity of nature.
When two geniuses chat…… great work as always John!
I’m 81 and wish I was 31. Our time now feels more hopeful than any time in the last 70 years. The political economy and environmental knowledge are coming to a critical ferment.
Can you feel the excitement?
I'm 31, exciting times to be alive and youthful 😊
I’m about to be 50 and hope to make it to 80. I’ll be using whatever time left making soil better and helping people understand it and do the same.
This is an amazing, significant conversation. Thank you. It's the way forward for greening the desert and protecting our forests and making agriculture sustainable.
Amazing. I had read his book: The Clavicipitalean Fungi and was absolutely blown away by it. It didn't even register he had written it until I saw it just now in the details below the video.
Omg...you guys just enlightened (scientifically?) my existing practice of using one of the JADAM methods of farming naturally. In summary and easiness, I used undisturbed, adapted, matured(10-20yrs old) trees' leaf molds from around my farm and multiply these thru a simple process within 24-36hrs to get a huge drum solution of Microbial Solution (MS), concentrated. I use these for seed,seedlings soaking prior to transplanting. And also use a diluted MS to irrigate my farm fortnightly. And the costs to make this MS is dirt cheap, practically negligible. 😂. You guys just make my day as I keep getting criticism on this way of farming without the science to support the JADAM ways. Tq❤
I use Jadam and KNF in my vegetable gardens and am moving into serradella pasture development in this winter season.
Keep with it. You are the future. ❤
Absolutely fascinating conversation. One of your best! Thank you for putting this knowledge out for anyone curious enough to find it to have access.
Graeme Sait wrote an interesting article some five or ten years ago on first feeding the bacteria and then supplying fungal food.
I’m still praying for the day there’s a podcast with him and John.
Can you link it? Funny his saying “put the microbes behind the minerals” “send them off to work with a lunch box”. Lol
So incredible.We think we know more but it seems at list we have just triggered the understanding.
All this information is gold, thank you
At about 45 minutes, Dr. White was talking about the necessity of endophytes producing superoxide, a familiar substance from previous talks. This time he got more into the production of the hormone ethylene, also a product of bacterial endophytes. I postulate that The soil eco-system must oscillate between aerobic and anaerobic on a regular (daily) basis for the rhizophagy cycle to function really well. That means the soil has to have efficient gas exchange. This requires management of compaction and micro-erosion.
Yes, healthy soil (and Ecosystem) Will have oscillations in the degree of oxidation reduction potential (oscillations between the soil, being more aerobic or more anaerobic). I would have to believe, though that those oscillations are the most healthy under natural rain patterns Of the plants origin. Since most of our agricultural cultivars tend to have an origin of region of regular rain, Then that oscillation of saturated soil to Unsaturated soil might have been once every few days or once a week. Certainly there are tropical places Where cultures have come from that get daily rain and have daily cycles Of oxidation reduction potential. But if you take a Cultivar like dragon fruit or pomegranate, I suspect that all of the microorganism relationships that have been coevolved with those plants, are optimized for much longer cycles like a month or a few months.
To be clear. The primary oscillation of a soil going from a degree of aerobic to anaerobic is driven by soil saturation.
So is this comparable to how we are discovering the significance of gut microbes to our health as humans? The way that plants also have microbes inside and around them that make nutrients available for them that facilitates their health and growth?
It's related. The food we ingest has the microbiome and it changes our microbiome.
Lactobacillus, Fermented plant juice, Oriental Herbal Nutrient, clean straw in a 5 gal. bucket with clean water & seeds will germinate & grow, gentleman 🙂 Thank you for your wonderful work 🙂
So stoked to hear this one! I had to make myself go to bed, not listen to it last night. 😁
kkkk you and me both
wanderful! thanks a lot
Great talk!
I think we ought to call it indigenous science. Wisdom is about how to organize society. Science comes from trials and observations.
Yessssss thanks for the upload!!
What is the mechanism that allows pathogenic fungi to extract nutrients from the endophytic bacteria? how are they extracting this energy, what is the mechanism? Are they using enzymes to break down the bacteria? And, what is the mechanism for the bacteria to accumulate in the fungi? Is there a certain concentration threshold that you are seeing where the fungi do or don’t prey on the plants?
For the corn varieties grown with pesticides and fertilizers, french farmers and scientists have testified that many of them don't (or can't) form mycorhizae. So now they're asking their seed providers for varieties that do form mycorhizae.
Those landrace corn MO slurries could be of real interest in general crop cultivation, but especially in poaceae. Having this as the main base of all the western diets makes this really exciting.
The plant exposome drives epigenetic changes in plants, I have found the memory of the plant remains in the undisturbed regenerative soil aggregates in soils containing perennial plant diversity, seeds of tropical fruit trees grown naturally do not seem to instill the biology into disturbed Edaphic soils without feeding soil microbiology prebiotics and probiotics in combination with permanent undisturbed perennial plant diversity🐸
Been awhile since I watched any of your videos but I saw Dr. White who I admire, thank you
Where in Florida are you located?
@@garywinrow6763 Vero beach🐸
Vero Beach@@garywinrow6763
This gets released at 3 am local time:
Me not going to get sleep tonight:
Hahahahaha you know the deal
On the seed saving concept, the thought comes to mind to remain in a higher moisture content and possibly pair with the food source or compost like was talked about, but maybe freeze or even take to just a cool temperature for where fungi, molds and biology we don't want would not propagate. This aligned with the concept of mimic nature with the corn. Cob sits on the ground, frozen over the winter, and then it is spring, the environment changes. Just my two cents
The CMC company makes a grain storage based on research done at Iowa State in the early 70's. Early commercialization called the technique "chill curing". Hi static air pressure was maintained in a maximum grain depth of 13.3'. The temperature and dormancy produced dormancy at higher grain moisture. The quality of the grain was exceptional and obvious to the eye. It mimmicks crib cured ear corn. I think both have the ability to preserve the viability of the endophyte community to advance the health of the proginy. Seed corn is still being cured on the cob to this day. Then we ruin it by applying a fungicide to the seed.
@@jimmartindale Awesome! Thanks for sharing that! (also cleaned up my train wreck sentence structure from speech to text). Going to share this with @growthefarmup and others!
My attempt to reply doesn't work.
EXCELLENT.
The microbes are the workers that grow everything: us and our plants 🙂 Have sufficient workers & we & our plants grow very well 🙂
Big AG has learned a ton from the cannabis community
I've been working in Oregon's cannabis industry for a month or so. Haven't seen a single organic grow yet. Most cannabis isn't grown outdoors.
Very good
Mind blown within first five minutes of this video
Very interesting!
When you speak of stimulating bacterial growth and seeing a fungal increase a few weeks later, are you aware the there are some endophitic fungi that survive the cooking process in molassis? Can't recall if this was as spores or as propagules. (I presumed the carbohydrate you used was molassis) Maybe that is the reason for the increase you see.
First off apologies for this awkward comment/interruption of mine. Some know what hydroponics is: some have close to a foundational understanding: others (like myself) have a brief overview. So specifically, is hydroponics, in the unbiased opinion of our customers or target audience, good or bad? Then what’s is your honest but unbiased opinion, on the subject? My take is idk you can do a lot weird stuff to it, and most would never know how it may negatively or possibly, or maybe possibly somehow in a to be determined way positively impact them? Does it even provide or can it adequately provide nutrient content?
Dr. James White is putting in the good work. The world needs 1000x more of him- thank you John for spreading the good word. 🦬🪱🙏
"There is no set species of bacteria" Lynn Margulis
I often hear humid and fulvic acid described as fungal food. Can someone explain how if I’m understanding that correctly? Do that break it down for nutrition or is it a stimulant of sorts?
I posted a link but it isn't showing up. Look up the webinar John Kempf did on humic substances, it will answer your questions.
Sort of, it is organically chelating the food that is there(minerals) so that it can be more easily absorbed by the fungi, so in effect they start eating faster. Fulvic and humic acid work the same, the only difference is that humic acid works within a more narrow range of pH. They also accelerate rhizophagey for the same reasons. 🦬👍👍
@@michaelwalsh9920 sweet thank you
how i can find Chariot Meller ?
My post didn't show up. I had a link to her talk with John Kempf, on his podcast, but her name is actually Harriet Mella.
At 45:48 John says that's why a tomato grown hydroponically tastes better than a tomato grown in an organic garden.
Isn't this the wrong way round? Doesn't an organic garden equate to plants growing in an oxidative, biological soil that James says results in the plant having a more healthy range of phenolics and aromatic compounds?
I noticed that, too. I believe he meant it the other way around.
Yea confused me as well. I’m surprised John or James didn’t catch that and correct it. (Assuming it was actually a mistake)
Clearly he misspoke
Human error! Dr. White meant the other way around
I'm not here to listen to proselytizing, but simply focused on understanding
Fukuoka Masanobu meticulously detailed the yields are comparable with "chemical free" cultivation 🙂 Fukuoka is still the LOWEST COGS & "cleanest" 🙂 The one straw revolution 🙂
Why would anyone allow some entity tell them how what when or where they plant anything on the land they care for is WAY beyond my limited ability to comprehend.🤔
Illegal to use or share our own seed? How incredulously unimaginable that anyone would ever submit to evil cloaked as a "law."
Seed genetics have become so controlled that folks are scared to plant a variety back, for fear the open pollinated seeds will have picked up GMO traits and they could be set to lose their crops. As evil as monsanto and the like are, they are very effective at what they do.
Pure evil. Dr. White sits in the crosshairs of the demon possessed global elites which are striving in every way imaginable to terminate 90% of us as quickly and thoroughly as possible.
Monsanto has NOT been in existence for almost 7 years and all that left of them is an empty filing cabinet!!! No ONE tells the farmer what seed to plant!!! It has been illegal to save patented seed for 54 years now and we have had patented seed for 54 years!!!! You are really clueless about this subject. @@josmith1005
Dr James white is the only one I listen to about microbes 🦠
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