Pro Battleship Brawling Guide
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- Опубліковано 8 лис 2020
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Today I wanted to make a detailed positioning guide for brawling battleships. This is incredibly difficult in the current HE spam/CV meta, but it is still possible. I have played thousands of games in this style and this is the best way I have found to play these ships.
I'm Potato_Quality, a member of O7, and probably one of the best battleship players in this game. Hopefully, on this channel, I can teach you a bit about how battleships are played. Thanks for watching.
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How refreshing to see a unicum player actually analyzing MISTAKES and why they were bad decisions, rather than just concentrating on "I'm so awesome! See! It's my 97465th Kraken!"
I love how his name is "Potato Quality" where his content is pro quality
Potato-"I'm down for a brawl, let's go"
playing battleship in a current stage of the game is so frustrating and it makes it almost impossible specially for new players to learn hot to play it well. Wargaming hit the money with HE spam, coz it makes the game much more easier for players that buy a premium ship but dont know how to play properly. Ships like Massachusetts although amazing on tier 8 often get tier 10 games with CV's and HE spaming ships that have range 20+ KM and what the hell you suppose to do in that game. As you said @Potato Quality even the maps are now designed for crusiers that can stay behind them, lob their shells and you still cant even detect them. And soon submarines will come and game over. Playing this game is becoming a sad sad expirience...
Great video BTW :D :D :D
Battleships are the most forgiving class to play BY FAR, so your complaints here seem rather baseless to me...
@@Belzeh Wrong on so many levels. So your comment is totally baseless.
@@Belzeh HE spam is nothing forgiving to BB, trust me. If you get to a "farmable position", you go down before you can even turn and go dark. And as long as a Taskent in that video is a threat considered by such a quality player that PQ is a proof that it IS a considerable -> and there are far worse ships (even Des Moines can be hard to deal with, but ultimate overpennable Flamethrover like Smolensk; or ever Colbert and Harugumo is a death sentence if you cannot escape the receiving end of rainbow).
You can heal the most of HE damage back -> but you need a lot of time and enough heals for that, which is in a ship like GK quite ... hard to get.
@@siriusczech I don't know what game you are playing, cause I don't have any problem with HE spam unless I misposition - then I deserve to be punished, of course. Again, BBs are by far the most forgiving class to play. Unless you only want to punish other people's mistakes but don't want to get punished for yours, which is a total nonsense.
@@Belzeh I understand your position here. There is a bit of problem in hre as we are talking about game design - originally you shuold have had DDs in front, BBs do the follow push and cruisers behind BBs, covered from most of first line spanking and carrying the decisive blow.
Problem in current meta is that BBs like to stay behind and issuing sniping ships (23km+ range with good dispersion) doesn´t help. It is way too easy to misposition yourself.
Happens many times, when I say "horray, we are pushing the side finally" and follow our DD and 2 cruisers from few km range into/near cap zone to create potential crossfire and win the game. And then a red BB sail out, blap suddenly broadsiding cruiser and they all start to run, even when we outnumber them. And at this point you are done on many maps - DD can easily set you on fire multiple times (even with fireprevention and his IFHE it will not take long) and you still need to fight that battleships. And while your cruisers are dead/out of their range usually (or went dark cause better concealment), you are there alone, with 1 or 2 fires permamently, losing HP and there is no way out of this.
And yes, the biggest problem is that if you angle, you can shatter many A/P shells, but fire damage can simply eat your whole ship - there is no saturation of fire damage, which is nonsense for a BB to burn down like a cottage. And as long as a single fire cost you 18% of HP pool per minute, you have basically 2 minutes with 2 fires on you while fighting another ship to deal with them or you are down. 2 minutes are 4-5 salvos.
And even when I am aware of this and kind of able to withdraw in time many times, still losing 30-40% HP due to fires and HE damage (like from Cossack, Cleveland, Worchester, Smolensk and others) in 1 minute isn´t something easily recoverable.
the last chat made my day lol!!! PS: i would be pissed too!!! lol
Thanks for including your mistakes as well! It's good to actually see what not to do rather than someone just listening to someone tell you what not to do. Keep it up!
Nice guide. Props for showing mistakes as well as recommended effective strats
lmao i watched the Tashkent guy rage on stream
imagine complaining about getting blindfired after pulling the most predictable maneuver possible
in such situations i never turn after going dark. I alwas slow down completely and then accelerate into a turn a few seconds later. Always works. it his own fault for assuming all enemy players are potatoes ;-) Still lucky to hit 2 blind shells though
@@bora773 There was a potato aiming at him, so he expected right was. He just forgot that is was a Quality Potato :D
Amazed by your content. And literally on of the few if not the only one encouraging secondary builds. Love my Shiki with 11.6 secondaries... bad to the bone. Keep up the great work. Appreciated by the community
Excellent guide! I love how thorough you are in general and with each topic, and that you're not afraid to show mistakes to make a point. The only thing I would add is a couple more music tracks to break the video up more. Thank you! :)
Its so great that there is a good player who likes the exact same things I do and is willing to share and help the community. I already do a lot of the things you talk about here, but I can see things that I can deffinetly do better. Great work and keep it up!
Thank you, PQ. Really enjoy your explanation and examples. Great content! Wish you enjoy Christmas and even when I won´t meet you in a battle (playing on EU), I will watch you as long as you will stream such "potato" quality content ;)
Glad to see someone actually explaining the game. Considering how much the playerbase whines about the lack of skill etc, and the sheer volume of highlight meme content that exists. They're funny but they don't give any insight at all. And the few people I have seen try to start a "How to" series on how to play, usually drop it after one video or two. Thanks for sharing this.
I'm really enjoying your videos... A lot. It's extremely helpful when you show when you do good, and explain why... Everything from mindset to positioning. I also really like how you show when you screw up, and explain why that happened. I'm tired of seeing videos where somebody just dominates in a specific ship. Those are boring and they don't help the average player. Please put out more videos just like this one. Thank you! And congrats on the clan battles win [07]!
Awesome video! Thank you for this content!!! your instruction really is helping me determine how to push and when to push based on situations & CVs I never thought about this and having some plan on how to go about brawling is fantastic - Thank you!!!
Very nice videos my dude, I’ve watched this and your aiming guide video and both are amazing videos. Keep it up 👍
nice insightful guide - thanks, your vids are always clear and calm, really helpful for new players to get into the right mindset, I will always be a casual player but I like to improve and get thanks from my teams
Ah battelships. The big juicy defenceless sausages of the seas. As a battelship main myself I love staying in the back and pressing click 2 times per minute. I especially enjoy getting focused by CVs and getting torpedo shanked by DDs that survive hits from my ap rounds. I also love the new subs, man they are so fun to play against.
My man even linking the music he used, what a lad. Pretty nice video, rare to see someone else nowadays who actually likes to push in a BB and have some brawling fun, especially so at T10. I've always been a BB main since I started playing, though it really has become quite tough over the years with everything spamming HE from 20km away, no one pushing anymore, DD's suiciding etc etc, so it's nice to see someone trying to explain to people how and when to push in a BB, you know, what they actually are in the game for, or should be at least.
Love your videos and your style of commentary!
Hey man, thx a lot for your vids. Just found you and watched your aiming vid and the Ohio and Slava vids. I've learned already so many things and understood many mistakes I do often. So thx man, keep up the great work!
your videos are so good to watch. I have learned a great deal. I find your lack of salt uplifting
Thank you for these useful infos. And also for showing us your mistakes ... I've learned a lot!
Thank you so much for your great vids. I am learning a lot.
Nice vids my dude. Helps us a lot. Things I learnt here will improve my Massachusetts gameplay by some amount and get an increment from unicum to super unicum lmao
thank you for sharing your insights and the errors. this was super helpful.
edit: it's nice to see some karmic justice when the tashkent talks trash about farming 07 people and then you're the one to kill him with a blind shot. glorious.
Thanks for another quality guide! o7
Can you start posting your captain build for each of these? Lots of options for some of these builds and as a newer player I’m not sure where to best concentrate my efforts.
Love the content though! Especially these educational types.
Yeah as soon as i start doing specific ships i'll put the build at the end of the video.
As a new WoW player learning so much ... finally someone who shows mistakes. You recognize yourself easier :-) . You learn more from this then flawless fights . Thx
Keep this amazing videos
They are very hetpfull
Thank you for your insights into the gameplay
And this is so much more useful than most streams/videos for someone like me who is kind of pushed away from even attempting pvp because of so many people complaining about idiotic mistakes of random teammates.
Hopefully I'll be not too bad, once I get my bum into pvp.
great video!
Great video!...
Thanks
very nice...very informative o7
Love the chat at the end. Wonder if Tash ever found your video?
Thanks. I play legends and we don't have this quality of guides. I mean no offense to our content creators, but this actually taught me how to use islands, which seems like a basic thing.
That blind shot was personal
Love the chat the guy doing one word per line, settle down baby boy hahaha classic
The lost art of brawling.
I appreciate a fellow brawling enthusiast.
nice videos keep going
the Jutland at the end tho.... "Settle down baby boy"
Nice video. Just found you. Even though I'm a DD main I love playing brawling BBs and I learn new things thanks to you. Btw, what team panel mod are you using?
This was the same with maleseknight, and others, they had a o7 mod.
I know this video was about brawling/secondary battleships, but I was wondering how you build them. Secondary skills usually conflict directly with survivability skills: BFT, IFHE, Manual, or AFT vs BoS, FP, and CE. Do you go full secondaries or do you like to go a hybrid approach? And do you find that the secondaries module' extra range helps more than the turret rotation module?
Also, how do you feel about French battleships and their crazy secondary range?
fabulous
do you think you could make a vid about using islands in DM, i would really appreciate it and love it hear what you have to say about it :)
This game need more unicums sharing their knowledge so newbie and potato can be better
Hi! I was wondering how did you managed to move the navigator interface away from the center beneath the crosshair. Thanks
I love how you show your mistakes as well. Still makes me feel like a potato when your bad games like 150k :( I feel like I just die when I mess up. At 10:38 I would have just turned in and died.
I would turn or maybe try "soft landing" to hit the island as an instant brake and try to reverse while gunning down the enemy with both secondaries and main battery - probably farmed particulaly from Bravo and torped to death by Shima from that smoke slightly afterwards without any chance of survival :D
that Taskent was mad pissed, but it happens i guess
Wait, 37:28, so you're telling me Ocean isn't a good brawling map ?!? NANI?!?
But unsure how I just stumbled upon this YT channel today, but it's quality..and not potato quality, even though it is I guess.
33:55 "I love farming O7 guys". 38:35 "I got rekt so its QQ time 🤬"
Sir? :3 May i ask you which Mods you are using? Nice Video.
Sorry, quite new to your channel, but what is your US Premium BB line captain? I've given up on CE in favour of SI but i see you have a full concealment build on your Ohio/Georgia so i'd like to know what build you run, if you have a video on them with that in it please link me :)
I love doing this with Richelieu. I really, really want a JB for T9.
Hey Potato Quality you should try brawling in a secondary build Oklahoma, its alot of fun, but... it is very hard to learn.
I like these style vids - revisiting this to try and help me get better! Thanks
How come your graphics are that great? The water looks amazing. Do you use any Mods for that, too?
Well played ...
07:37 thats what i call a "Vermont situation!" when u r surrounded from all sides and they gun u down! lmao i get myself into that all the time and i have no idea how i end up doing that lol
How do you get the team ships and stats to show like that on the screen?
Angry Tashkent at the end XD
This is great, but the thing I felt it was missing was how to do drivebys. I feel like I have a reasonable handle on the basics - pre-turn turrets, wait until you can hit the citadel and angle in if possible. But sometimes I just get out manuvered and end up giving too much broadside, sometimes because I'm trying to not get rammed. Is there any strategy to that kind of play?
I avoid drivebys if i can help it. Everyone goes for the ram, and a 1 for 1 trade is usually really good for the enemy and very bad for me. I could talk about it in another video but if the other guy wants to ram it almost doesn't matter what you do. He will ram you. I don't like this mechanic at all, I feel like it removes all the skill from close quarters engagements.
Nice music as well, whats the name?
Just found your vid, I started playing this a month or so ago. Great vid.
I’ve noticed sometimes you can’t hardly even move you have to just back up if you are in a big ship. I’ve moved forward and gone maybe 10Km and I’m spotted and on my way to be dead. Is that common?
Generaly it is :D
There is so much to learn about capital ships (BBs). And the higher you get, the harder it can be. In lower tier all you need to learn is angling and where to shoot. Afterwards (hundreds of battles) you start to know WHERE to shoot on ships and how to aim to hit there more often.
Great for training are IJN BBs with their big guns, so you punish for more and as you usually spec them for accuracy, they don´t miss too often or too much. And ships like Kongo (T5), Fuso (T6) and Nagato (T7) are beasts with AP shells in right hands and those are tiers that you should learn to play and clap enemies -> in Fuso and Nagato you can play scenarios for credits+xp and lots of (not-so-dumb-as-coop-bots) target and armour practice.
If you want to try penetration and damage on each ship as a static model, just pres "Training" as a battle type, put a map "Ocean", mode "armour test" (or how it is called) and put as much BBs as you want to in that battle, I recommend 2 of each kind of your tier for a start and next time higher tiers (all you can encounter). They will stand there angled slightly and you can play for and hour or so with your guns and see where it will do most damage, which ship you can citadel easily and which not, ... etc. Really valuable lesson tbh. This way you will also get to know weaknesses of your ship type and will know WHAT to protect.
Knowing the above about BBs you will learn exactly what to shoot/protect. Then comes this video from above about positioning, as long as having a 5 ships shooting you at the same time is a generally bad situation and you will always try to put some islands/distance between you and most of the enemy ships, so you can fight less enemies possible (1 is the preferable number).
Brawling or Sniping (or Mid-range) is then dependent on the ship´s accuracy, armour, etc.
bro, i dont wanna offend you but I'm having your voice as a background whitenoise right now and it just gives such a peaceful vibe to me. I'm having tears in my eyes writing this. I'm having a tinnitus. Thank you for your service, sir
Your thoughts on Tier X games could not ring more true. So many passive players
The call of secondaries tempts me to broadside all the time.
Does Pommern actually need IFHE to pen 32mm of armor with her secondaries? I thought the gimmick of german BBs was, that their secondaries already did that without IFHE.
That khaba at 16:37 is from our clan any suggestions?
What crosshair do you use? Cant find it
PQ, who do you know that does DD videos, like your education BB videos? Thanks for the content!
Also this video was amazing. You should force everyone to watch it..haha
What Japan ship do you recommend using
Me: Sticks to same side as spawn.
Team: Bye have a wonderful time!
Everytime, it's like lemming train is the way to go. These aren't ship of the line, that strategy has little use in WoWs
@@cjmars822 the joys of me being a potato hahaha
I thought it was just me but damn. Like, I make sure we have a decent little group. I'm usually a BB so if we got a cruiser and DD or two cruisers, we can get busy. They seemingly always disagree and peace out. I'm playing around Tier VI right now, switching between the konig and bayern and everyone seems terrified to push into objectives.
An d now id like to know how you do it with a ship that doesnt have a 500+ mm main battery that can deal with everything :D
What mods are you using ? i like the angle icon
modstation - navigator
I might get back into it but it does suck when it really counts for you and the team down to the wire when someone gives you a broadside and you get dogshit. it`s back to the thrift store for more keyboards.
what's your ribbon texture mod
how can i get that hit icon mod?
So now, guide on how to brawl in Slava because i still want to be useful for my team and improve, pretty please? =D
This is the reason for an increase in lemming-trains :( Wouldn't it be better if the Yamato and Conq went with you to A to secure the crossfire and flank?
Video idea, what do you do when 1/3 or more if the team dies in 2-3 min. How do you claw back that?
alt + f4
A guy can’t get a lucky break. That sov guy should appreciate a good shot like that. I would. +1 to you!
,,some maps sucks from islands" what about Ocean map , pls make a video how to deal with this map pls
What annoys me is just how quick the younger generation can type and play simultaneously. If only I could communicate as fast it would improve my gameplay. Loved that exchange at the end, the guy was pissed, lol.
Actually as a battleship player I first observe if there are any other big ships at the side I spawned at and whether there are any islands aghead to hide behind. THEN I decide whether to go there or switch sides.
Yes, your teammates may not be happy with you leaving your post but fuck them, they don't fucking pay maintenance of your ship after the battle. So you as a battleship should think primarily about your own survival. Because make no mistake, all those destroyers and light cruisers will happily ditch you and let you die when fired upon by a group of enemies.
This is even more important than normal if you play big but slow battleships like me with powerful guns (Vermont line). Because this means you cannot get the hell outta there like Iowas can.
*Potato Quality* Love it !!
It’s better to focus two caps than to split your forces to try all three.
In that part with too soon push with GK he literally showed ME sometimes doing the same (when see we are loosing and then just charge like moron).
I was in a match before with potato, i was in thunderer, he was in ohio, and we had the puerto rico 7th directive mad lad, fragmentation in an audacious, on 2 brothers.We were in the same team. We won easily, potato just rushed mid and basically got away.
What BB line is best for brawling?
German - they have shitty main gun dispersion, but long secondaries, but you need to spec manual for good result (otherwise it just rain all around). But with captain rework soon ... we will see.
And there are few more ships that can be specced as secondary and makes sense here and there - Georgia and Massachusets (USN), Shikishima (IJN), Jean Bart (FR) - all of them premium ships. Some even say a Republique (FR T10), but haven´t encountered that yet, so...
I've noticed a trend where "most" veteran players use mainly HE at the beginning to start fires for easy XP. Since there's an unlikely slim chance of you killing another BB/Cruiser from AP salvos from 12km+.
Each main gun has it's own RNG for dispersion, you can expect for every 3-4 salvos, 1-2 will be near to complete misses. So it's best to vary the placement of your reticle for every shot, I am working on IJN T7 w/ 50% salvo accuracy.
I'm learning to not use AP when my rounds are deflected against multiple BBs & cruisers repeatedly. I have a tendency of continuing using AP in "hopes" of getting massive dmg. This is a bad mentality; it's like gambling in lottery. I've learned to tank against 5 ships shooting at me from two flanks.
I could've dealt at least 50% more dmg to at least two ships of the five if I switched to HE. Instead of tanking shots for three minutes from 5 ships.
Bro how is your kurfürst so precise xD
That's all and good in tier 10, but how about lower tier brawling guides?!?
You go to the side that you spawned at unless you’re facing the main enemy fleet and everyone on your fleet ran the other way and left you flapping in the wind.
29:45 that’s why WG should improve dispersion when BRAWLING and not when SNIPING. That way they could improve the game in many aspects
Deadeye? Thats gone too
@@MICROKNIGHT3000 No dead eye was so cancerous. Improving dispersion when brawling and not when you are 20 km away
I'm just here to learn what a "secondary battleship" is an how to identify them in the tech tree
Theres always ultimate admiral dreadnoughts for those that want to try others
What's that "talent activation" mod ?
Gunther Lutjens talent - have him on GK, too, secondary specced and when able to enter a brawl, he is super fun - better turrets turn, faster reload of secondaries after 100 hits (same for main battery, but you never achieve something like that in normal game in GK :D) and after each 3 "spotted" ribbons you get n-second heal immediately, where n is your ship´s tier.