Tbf with the resources kinda expensive in zzz…harumasa has the lowest appearance rate only because 82% miyabi user build her first instead of him plus they both are on the same banner…
Thats what a lot of folks don't get when it comes to characters. Building characters in ZZZ costs time and resources, so if Hoyo want to introduce a male character they have to make him hella op and not just a decent dps because no one would build him lol.
@ yup couldnt agree more….well its unfortunate for him being released in the same banner with miyabi who is a void hunter but that doesnt mean he is a bad dps overall (plus he is free😅)…people who dont pull for miyabi are still exist (yup thats me😌)
@@nkoonkukoofor real though. The only reason he's free though is because his dmg/char is so mid. His kit is alright, he might as well have been a 4 star with his design.
@@Kspice9000Wrong, the only reason his damage is mid is because he's free. Not the other way around lmao. If he wasn't free, what's stopping them from giving him almost 5000% multiplier and a more effecient combat style? 🙄 You make no sense.
Idk what y'all are on about I built my Miyabi an Harumasa at the same time an they gave you materials to get Harumasa to lvl 50. In comparison to building in the other Hoyo games Zenless is the easiest an it doesn't take over a week like Genshin or several days like HSR. I finished my Miyabi with in 3-4 days while also leveling my Harumasa
Also... There are two bosses with ice weakness, but none with lighting weakness. The Marionette has a mechanic that increases lighting damage taken if certain conditions are met, but Miyabi, Ellen Joe, and Zhu Yuan seem to be better picks, so... You know. (And probably Yanagi too, although she might be busy on another floor.)
@@endoleon2765 Why would anyone need to cope in favor of a character they've not played yet? He's right; people haven't built Harumasa yet when they got him for free; they build the characters they were vying for first. All materials went into Miyabi; Harumasa will be built by more people soon, and used more.
Crazy how its possible to get 20k points on Marionette with SOLO M6 BILLY & SOUKAKU, its not that DPSs like zhu yuan and ellen are bad, you just need to cheese the stage mechanics to score points instead of pure damage. For the 1st two stages you just need to apply as mqny attribute anomalies as possible (why a 20k clear with just lucy piper, no 3rd is doable on pompey) and marionette needs its clones killed as fast as possible. This event is so biased towards anomalies that it makes the ATK agents look terrible at M0, the points calculation needs to factor in how many perfect assist/dodges and remaining hp% since atk agents struggle to get points without anomalies
@@judgeude even i struggled with a 21k point clear with m0 s11, m0w1 lighter,& m5 lucy. You might want to try replacing s11 with piper in that team to farm anomalies faster
@@judgeude yup i had two anomaly teams and an attk Zhuyuan team for the third boss. Took forever for Qingyi to stun the Marrionettes. I had to switch my play style up. M1 Zhu, M0 Qingyi and M6 Nicole.
Harumasa dps has more or less the same power level as other S rank attackers, but his gameplay is super tourist unfriendly, i dont think bro will ever make it to the top cuz most people could never bother to play him correctly
Even getting used to his 12 dash attack combos plays too differently from all the rest of the attackers, needing to stop your stun units from getting the heavy attack just so you can trigger it with Harumasa
Yeah. It's kind of the "Easy to play meh hero is better than Hard to play decent damage hero" situation. Constantly shoking enemies while keeping up with your rotation is hard ngl.
I understand that a lot of this is a knock on effect from phone players, but it's been fascinating to me to see characters rated poorly for actually having mechanics you have to learn and requiring a degree of execution to pilot. I mean, isn't that why we're playing an action game?
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Not only is he hard to play but also none of the bosses are electric weak. Also I feel like a lot of players were waiting for the event wengine to use him but it came out wat after deadass started
Yeah Ellen is a pain to use for the average player and with the release of Miyabi not only being stronger but easier to use… yeah most people aren’t going to use Ellen or even do well with her despite being actually more than good enough for this event
Nah even without a disorder buff my miayabi/burnice/yanagi nets over 2 million in one cycle. 6 stack charge atk + frostburn+burnice ex special dump burn (1st disorder)+yanagi parry swap/1 b atk combo/ex special dump (2 disorders, 1 from shock override burn+1 from polarity). Most things don't make it to the 2nd charge atk.
I mean... this data is based of players just playing the game. Not tryhard whales doing the mathematically best build of every character. Videos of Soukaku solo clearing marionette is all the evidence i need to know the characters are fine and its the players who are scoring low.
The reason Harumasa is so low here is that because he released for free alongside Miyabi, most people are taking their time building him. If anyone else is like me; they only had enough resources to build Miyabi or one of the previous S ranks, which is why Yanagi and Burnice are so high. I think Harumasa will zoom up the ranks in the next bit of time as people finally build him and try him out.
basically when burnice is there the team is 95% of the time either yanagi, miyabi or jane doe cause nobody using her alone so its a guaranteed high scorer since those are very good teams, meanwhile for other units the team could be slop.
Well well, why am i not surprise seeing burnice outperform everyone. Cuz burnice BRAINROT infection has spread so far and wide. Everywhere i go i see her face and every music i hear i heard her song. Even vergil daughter can't cut burnice BRAINROT. U can call it BURNICE APOCALYPSE
B1 need disorder for point, B2 need anomaly apply for point, B3 need kill mob for point I use Miyabi at B3 too Haru just came out at hot time nobody have mat for build Lucy just broken with any fire team Ellen burst gameplay not good at B3 Jane have dmg but anomaly apply not better piper so B2 piper can spam anomaly for point with burnice Yanagi free point printer at B1
What do you mean ellen burst gameplay? She's not a burst dps, Zhu yuan is and she's doing fine. Marionette is best boss for Ellen but she really relies on Caeser to not get knocked back during her Basic attacks.
One thing about Miyabi in DeadAss is you need good rotations with her. If you're not managing your frost stacks properly, you fall off hard, especially in lower mindscape levels.
I 3 3-star cleared bringer with Miyabi and Soukaku level 40, you are fight the rrotationsare key but I would focus on the defensive assists, as that helps boost both of their decibels and energy (also select the buff in the middle)
I genuinely believe it's because everyone and their entire family is running miyabi with 80% crit rate Cr slot 4 and non existent crit dmg because everyone either thinks that a) she's anomaly so she must scale off ap or b) she needs at least 80% crit rate despite running 4pc blade. When will people learn to read the drive disc bonus
You're assuming everyone is running her on set...there's a ton of poorly built Miyabi's. Legit saw a video from a guy talking about his Miyabi/Piper/Lucy team and the dude was hitting a max if 24k per tick of his charged attack, meanwhile my M0S1 is hitting around 50k~ per. That's not even including the Frostburn and the disorder procs from Yanagi. Either way, I'm not surprised. Anyone who has Burnice/Yanagi is probably running a really well invested Burnice/Yanagi similar to mine.
80% crit rate is still good. A majority of Miyabi's damage is crit damage, and as long as you don't overcap crit crate, having more crit rate is still gonna increase your dps. It only becomes a problem once you start losing out on crit damage because of it, but even then, having 80 CR is really nice, because Miyabi doesn't build up anomalies that fast.
@@cerulean5032 it becomes a problem when you solely focus on getting 80% Cr while completely ignoring crit dmg,which is smth the majority of ppl do. You realistically only need 68% crit rate on her to get the full benefit of her application rate buff. Her drive set gives her 12% crit rate after each anomaly trigger. And while yes crit rate over 80% does increase her dps,it's a waste if your crit ratio sucks or if you have no atk/ice dmg
I mean, Harumasa came out right next to Miyabi and everyone who got Miyabi would prioritize building her so not that much resources left for Harumasa. It's natural older units would outperform him.
The only way Ellen can get buffed is if there's a boss that's weak to Ice but immune to Anomaly or there's a dedicated Ellen support that doesn't work with Miyabi somehow.
Lighter DPR isn't that bad with Qingyi, but people have to consider how many people skipped her (myself included), and how many people came back to the game AFTER she was released. If you take that into consideration, almost all the people running Harumasa are probably running his most budget teams.
@@shadowbreadd9505yes, and harumasa is going to go up every patch. As played finally get to building and learning him his stonks will grow, and when we get electric endgame content rotation
I do think we should take into consideration that its only m0 units being calcd, and I feel like most miyabi players who do endgame like this would try for m1+ (im ftp and got m2 with weap) so despite not even having two fully built teams if I cleared this my data would be ignored lol just my thoughts
That’s the whole point lmao, it’s to see performance at m0. If you were to make an argument it would be against who has signature or not, as well as skill level of players. So many attributes that you can’t take into account but at m0 burnice is probably the most flexible 5 star rn, which is why her average is higher
@ oh no for sure I agree, I just think a lot of miyabi players (while shes fine at m0) wouldve had her invested more which would skew with the results somewhat, since a lot of people seemed to be confused on how low she was
I went from 12-20k points with my miyabi yanagi team by swapping my crit dmg drive disc with a crit rate one and getting her signature lc. Give it a month for people to fix their miyabi builds. And this game mode was centred around anomalies so i kinda understand the results. (but piper outperforming Jane is wild)
I mean I am not surprised most people who pulled miyabi probably also skip yanagi so they use burnice, not only that burnice is insanely good with pompeii very easy clear esp with the piper lucy/jane doe, Im surprised with Ellen so many people are sleeping on her I saw insane run with her on yt but yeah tons of people are only doing the 6 * run and bail which probably effected the score so much, honestly they need bigger data sample and probably restrict it to the 20k clear (I know its kinda contradictory), but eh.
This might be why people don't understand how strong Yanagi is. Honestly, my Yanagi is right up there with my Miyabi in terms output. She does absolutely massive damage.
@@Osprey1994 I mean she is still the second best dps in the game, problem is that her banner is so close to Miyabi that I bet the majority of people kinda have to skip her or new player/returner that come back in miyabi banner.
@@yuugael4010not so much close, Cause right between Yanagi and Miyabi there was Lighter's banner. And so, ideally, he should have opened variations of the pack with Burnice, but alas, this is not possible, Cause cockblock
Piper has a team with Miyabi which is likely part of why she is located where she is. As for Yanagi, I feel bad for people who didn't pull her...her damage is fucking diabolical. Harumasa isn't really in the same spot as Ratio was though, we had teams to play him with. Harumasa is just kinda in a bad spot in terms of teams. Even looking at early Evelyn numbers it looks like unless you have Lighter, it won't be worth pulling. If anything, I feel like this could become a pretty fatal flaw for attackers.
I mean, In his release we didnt really have that many team comps, I would say that the only real teamate he had was topaz... And pela doesnt count bcz she's pela she works with anything
It is a fatal flaw for attackers. Evelyn's kit leaked and she badly needs Lighter more than she needs Astra. Attackers depending on stunners in a game that will naturally introduce more and better DPS units does not bode well for them.
YEP I can confirm the Burnice experience. I tried to 9 star with S11, Piper/Koleda, Caesar on Pompey and I barely got 14k points. I replaced Piper/Koleda with Burnice and I got 28k. Burnice single handedly DOUBLED my points. Similarly, I usually run her with Miyabi and got 29k on Bringer. After taking Burnice away, I lost 9k points and barely got 20k. Didn't even know Burnice was this insane all M0W0 btw
Ok i have to be the party pooper because i think Mr.Pokke is either trolling or either clueless (on purpose?). Q: Why is Burnice higher then Miyabi? A: Easy she JUST CAME OUT and everybody and their mother is still building her and have probably dogshit drives on her. The fact that she made a score this high for a unit that just came out should be proof how much of a power house she is then even a shit build Miyabi can clear endgame content. Q: Why is Harumasa that low? A: Because Miyabi is everyones priority. Simple as that. Q: Why is Piper that high? A: Because Anomaly is HEAVILY favored in ZZZ RN and she is a really good for Disorder especially for F2P players. Q: Why is Ellen so low? A: That i don't know tbh. I would just assume skill issue because Ellen is the worst "feeling" DPS character at M0. But i still cleared the Marionette boss with Ellen and got 21'000 to 22'000ish points.
I can get around 30k-40k pts on B1 and B2 easily, but I'm currently still struggling to clear B3 with Caesar Soukaku Ellen. My Burnice Lucy Piper team despite being less premium than Miyabi Yanagi Rina got a significant higher score, even surpising is my only sig is Miyabi's. Since I have a decent build on Miyabi already, I suppose that it's due to the weakness of the enemies. Pompei is both weak to Fire and Physical, while the new boss is only weak to Ice and not Lightning. So I guess it boils down to either elements or just how cracked Lucy and Piper are as 4* units. As for B3 at least if I can't clear it with Ellen even if I farmed a bit then I might have a reason now to build Corin now.
Burnice at this point is the only off field anomaly. Makes 100% sense. She is goated with every anomaly agent and can just go straight crit build too. We are all too busy building our Myabis to play Haru Edit just did it and can say for sure whichever boss Bur nice was against it made it that much easier.
Burnice is always doing damage as long as she has Heat stacks, so it makes sense that her raw damage numbers are so high? You essentially have 1.5 DPS whenever Burnice is off-field. As for Ellen, I think that the more aggressive bosses and enemies since v1.2 have made it hard for her to keep her Flash Freeze charges up. Charged Scissor Strikes take too long to proc; you really want to Quick Assist into Roaming State to speed that up, but then that doesn't work against the Marionette clones, because you don't have enough time or warning to do that when they're being spammed out.
Why you down playing Bernice? Besides Miyabi she’s my most used character. The off field damage is quite good. With her I can build up both frost anomaly and fire at the same time. And that her ult is one of the best in the game doesn’t hurt either. I’d even say she’s better than yanagi.just gonna pass over that the Miyabi Bernice Lucy team did more damage then the number one used team?
Tbf, no one really has good builds yet for a lot of these characters. And also no one yet knows how to use characters optimally.😐 That’s why you’ll see one of the odd non-meta teams stick out with a high score since they probably theory crafted the perfect ben rotation that no one else has found. Also why Harumasa is so low since people are still using 8 slash rotations when others have found 18+ slash rotations already.😅
There is a possibility that the data is skewed since burnice is more commonly used in premium teams w more limited characters and miyabi is prolly being used in a decent portion of f2p teams which would perform worse and bring miyabis score down.
Damn, Ellen is sooo far, even outside her element in bosses that favor ice 💀 Edit: with a high usage and lower score, I think some players bring Miyabi slightly lower due to massive skill issues(no reading/no guides). I watched a guy play miyabi and never using the charge at max stacks, keeping her on field really long too not utilising the entire team
I scored higher with Yanagi team. Because i have to separate her with Miyabi due to limited anomaly agents to clear 3 stages. Tried using stun+attacker team and it doesn’t end well
It's so expensive to upgrade just one character, everyone probably spent all their resources on Miyabi and left Harumasa at Lv.40. 😅 I'm playing this game everyday since launch and i didn't have enough for both. 😮
Ellen being so low could be a lot of early / day 1 players that stopped playing have come back, and dont have great teams but have Ellen. I am that player and i can say from my part im brining the average down as i dont have the resources to level multiple teams to 60 but brute forcing DA
Coz the Deadly Assault is about makig disorders to earn high scores quickly, the hyper carrys doesnt work as well the anomaly does, the first boss with Miyabi and Soukaku is ez, but the secod boss with Burnice, Piper (or Jane) and Lucy is a walk in the park, the hyper carrys works on Shiyu.........
I wanted to clear using both Miyabi and Ellen, jsut to prove a point, that you can uae them both on different sides and it's not a problem. Miyabi/Haru/Quingui Piper/Lycy/Burnice Ellen/Lighter/Sokaku Easy clear. And I'm really surprised with that forst abomination of a team, it works surprisingly well (though you really want S6 Banboo for it)
In League terms as to my understanding as to why Burnice might be higher than Miyabi is if Miyabi is the Viego and the Jungler, Burnice is the Amumu. The tank/support that lets the others shines but suddenly finishes the game with 3/0/25 while Miyabi/Viego goes 16/4/2 not realizing her team is all 0/8/3
Burnice is literally a cheat code... She continuously deals damage even when she appears onfield like once every 10 seconds. Pair her up with strong anomaly like yanagi/miyabi will make her damage even crazier..
Shoot use all 3 together and miyabi doesn't stop using 6 stack charge atk. I have all 3 at m1w1. They feed each other so stupid well and after I get m2 miyabi (70 pulls away, on guarantee) it'll be completely seemless.
I actually had to separate Miyabi and yanagi because either bringer or Pompey is unplayable. Personally I killed bringer with mono electro yanagi and brute forced Pompey with Miyabi
i don't have MIyabi yet so i tried and 20k the stupid new boss with Ellen Lighter Shoukakou but it was a pain. meanwhile Miyabi eat Bringer like squeezed Oreo. when i run ELlen Caesar and Light i could get the 20k+ scores so i have to replaced Caesar with Shoukakou and try to make buff debuff rotation between Lighter and Shoukakou which is quite nuisance.
Caesar and Miyabi carried me really hard in Deadly Assault xD Miyabi solo'd one of the bosses for me, and Caesar basically solo'd another one for me, I used fully built Caesar with level 30 Billy and she got me to 25k with him xD Then I used my actual built characters on the third boss Also idk to me Sacrifice Bringer was by far the easiest boss of the three >.> Marionettes were the hardest
They should throw one extra data with the S Mindscapes they decided to discard. Lots of F2P players get M1 by accident for example, specially for standard characters. Ignoring that data completely is actually making the data worse imo. You already know A rank Mindscapes matters a LOT, and they count those, but, they will also collect data from M0 A ranks and that's gonna drastically lower their overall score.
Burnice allows people with Piper Jane etc to get high scores. Those characters then have worse scores for people who don’t have her which lowers their average and not Burnice’s
Miyabi "under-performing" could be the way Disorder damage is being calculated/credited. At Miyabi M0, after triggering frostburn break, Burnice/Yanagi triggers a huge Disorder and that damage is considered to be done by Burnice/Yanagi, not Miyabi I notice that my Yanagi is consistently scoring higher than Miyabi when my Miyabi was still M0. Edit: Perhaps same for Piper.
This is not showing units individual damage output, only their average team score, otherwise you wouldn't see supports like Lucy so high up in the ranking.
I don't know, my m0w1 Ellen hit 22k in sacrifice bringer and 32k in notorious marionette. She got power crept butnI really don't think she's that bad 😂
Lol... I got only 2 stars on the first Boss while running Ellen or Miyabi/Lighter or Qingyi/Soukaku .... Then I tried first Buff... Miyabi+Piper+Lucy and got 3 star first try... despite the boss being resistant to physical... and my Piper and Lucy are only level 50 (I don't have Yanagi because I had to take break during that period... but I'll get her the second she will get rerun).
Looking at this, it's 100% clear that off field DPS is carrying. If you're not using Burnice, Rena, Yanagi, or Lucy then you're using units that lower your performance, period.
Burnice is indeed a very strong unit but being rank #1 on every side is crazy. Definitely got to take this data with a grain of salt. Miyabi can be explained by her being on banner right now. Most people will have mid builds on her, and *a lot* of people came back to the game or just started because of her. It's not that surprising that she's lagging behind, especially since many of her most common teams are pretty cope (Piper support for example). What is surprising is how close the Yanagi and Burnice variants are for Miyabi teams. If you have either of those two you are definitely not a brand new player so I think you can compare them reasonably well. Jane Doe lagging a bit behind strikes me as weird but there are quite a few players who forced her on to side 1 and 3 where she doesn't belong. Then again it's the same with Burnice who still tops the charts everywhere. Ellen and Zhu Yuan are both kinda showing their age but Zhu Yuan is holding up better on average. I guess it comes down to Ellen being clunky and requiring quite a bit more skill to work properly.
Burnice is number 1 in combined data because Yanagi and Miyabi's most popular or 2nd most popular team has Burnice in it. It's the entire reason why sub dps is a very strong role. Basically, it's the Xiangling problem. Hell, you can even pair her with Jane Doe, Soldier 11 and Piper. With Astra Yao and Evelyn coming, she can benefit once again from both since she can be slotted with them.
@@omnipotiscience7251 If she's the second pick the numbers should reflect that tho. She's scoring above both of them. Unless you're saying that Burnice is never paired with "bad" teammates, whereas Miyabi and Yanagi both are. Maybe that could explain it. I did finally get around to doing this on my account today and she was definitely the glue that kept my teams together. With her Miyabi got over 40k points on the first side, without her I had to reset a few times to even creep above 20k. Jane on the second side same story 12k without her and 28k with her. To be fair it was Burnice+Lucy vs. Seth+Rina(M1), since I don't have Yanagi. God I wish I had 2 Burnices now... and two Lucys lol.
@@bjornnilsson2941 I'm pretty sure its also because since Miyabi and Yanagi can use her, it means she gets points whenever she gets slotted with either of them so 1 player may use Miyabi + Burnice while the other may use Yanagi + Burnice which would mean she gets points while the main dps gets a hit especially when she can do damage off field unlike Miyabi + Yanagi. Come to think of it, Miyabi, Yanagi and Burnice all pair nicely with one another.
@@omnipotiscience7251 That only explains appearance rate tho. It doesn't matter how often a character is used, only what their average score is. In most cases high appearance rate negatively affects a characters score because it means many casuals use them.
This data is mind boggling. I know this game is somewhat skill based outside of the gacha but still. They gave everyone miyabi so the average miyabi player is average.
Burnice being burnice, But TBH, Harumasa is really good with F2P team(Anby and Nicole) I got 20k+ score for the 3rd stage with them. It's not that bad he's really strong if you know how to use him. Then again Burnice is Burnice ✨💜
8:16 some people yes xD, I've seen some showcases of her and she is actually pretty good, and at leat I feel like her gameplay as a dps is more fun than as a support since her animations feels very slow
Tbf most people havent build Haru yet, plus he's to hard to play for zzz newcomers. Vice versa for Miyabi, one of the easiest to play agents even outside of disorder. Since this tierlist doesnt include M1+ many ZY and Ellen "Mains" arent included either. I could clear all three bosses with 25-30k+ without breaking a sweat with Ellen M1W1 If you consider most of these in the Data are probably Starlight engine users the Score is understandable. Anomaly Units are busted
@ data sample extremely small and biased towards lower performing players. I would need to double check but I believe some of the agents did not have some of their best teams listed. Also how those characters were geared is a big one too. dps Ben vs tank Ben would perform dramatically differently.
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Tbf with the resources kinda expensive in zzz…harumasa has the lowest appearance rate only because 82% miyabi user build her first instead of him plus they both are on the same banner…
Thats what a lot of folks don't get when it comes to characters. Building characters in ZZZ costs time and resources, so if Hoyo want to introduce a male character they have to make him hella op and not just a decent dps because no one would build him lol.
@ yup couldnt agree more….well its unfortunate for him being released in the same banner with miyabi who is a void hunter but that doesnt mean he is a bad dps overall (plus he is free😅)…people who dont pull for miyabi are still exist (yup thats me😌)
@@nkoonkukoofor real though.
The only reason he's free though is because his dmg/char is so mid.
His kit is alright, he might as well have been a 4 star with his design.
@@Kspice9000Wrong, the only reason his damage is mid is because he's free. Not the other way around lmao. If he wasn't free, what's stopping them from giving him almost 5000% multiplier and a more effecient combat style? 🙄 You make no sense.
Idk what y'all are on about I built my Miyabi an Harumasa at the same time an they gave you materials to get Harumasa to lvl 50.
In comparison to building in the other Hoyo games Zenless is the easiest an it doesn't take over a week like Genshin or several days like HSR. I finished my Miyabi with in 3-4 days while also leveling my Harumasa
People haven't finished building yet so it's kinda fair
Also... There are two bosses with ice weakness, but none with lighting weakness.
The Marionette has a mechanic that increases lighting damage taken if certain conditions are met, but Miyabi, Ellen Joe, and Zhu Yuan seem to be better picks, so... You know. (And probably Yanagi too, although she might be busy on another floor.)
Chat didnt even think about that lmao
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@@endoleon2765 Why would anyone need to cope in favor of a character they've not played yet? He's right; people haven't built Harumasa yet when they got him for free; they build the characters they were vying for first. All materials went into Miyabi; Harumasa will be built by more people soon, and used more.
Crazy how its possible to get 20k points on Marionette with SOLO M6 BILLY & SOUKAKU, its not that DPSs like zhu yuan and ellen are bad, you just need to cheese the stage mechanics to score points instead of pure damage. For the 1st two stages you just need to apply as mqny attribute anomalies as possible (why a 20k clear with just lucy piper, no 3rd is doable on pompey) and marionette needs its clones killed as fast as possible.
This event is so biased towards anomalies that it makes the ATK agents look terrible at M0, the points calculation needs to factor in how many perfect assist/dodges and remaining hp% since atk agents struggle to get points without anomalies
ahh, interesting. i was wondering why my full built s11, ceasar, lucy team was flailing
@@judgeude even i struggled with a 21k point clear with m0 s11, m0w1 lighter,& m5 lucy. You might want to try replacing s11 with piper in that team to farm anomalies faster
Couldn’t agree more, current meta is very biased to anomaly team. Tried using Lycaon & Zhu Yuan can only score to A. It took so long to stun the enemy
@ i got to like 22k, just felt like it should have been more considering how s11 is prob my favorite team to play
@@judgeude yup i had two anomaly teams and an attk Zhuyuan team for the third boss. Took forever for Qingyi to stun the Marrionettes. I had to switch my play style up. M1 Zhu, M0 Qingyi and M6 Nicole.
Harumasa dps has more or less the same power level as other S rank attackers, but his gameplay is super tourist unfriendly, i dont think bro will ever make it to the top cuz most people could never bother to play him correctly
Even getting used to his 12 dash attack combos plays too differently from all the rest of the attackers, needing to stop your stun units from getting the heavy attack just so you can trigger it with Harumasa
Yeah. It's kind of the "Easy to play meh hero is better than Hard to play decent damage hero" situation.
Constantly shoking enemies while keeping up with your rotation is hard ngl.
I understand that a lot of this is a knock on effect from phone players, but it's been fascinating to me to see characters rated poorly for actually having mechanics you have to learn and requiring a degree of execution to pilot. I mean, isn't that why we're playing an action game?
@@raydaug4633 Ibgurss it's the reasoning that he's worse that the much easier to play Attackers, even though admittedly he can be better
Yes. On keyboard and mouse. He's better with controller
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@@LeenieBoog6969 what does it mean i just got back to the game cuz of miyabi
Not only is he hard to play but also none of the bosses are electric weak. Also I feel like a lot of players were waiting for the event wengine to use him but it came out wat after deadass started
Ellen being outscored by Zhu Yuan, Harumasa, all the Limited Anomalies, even Piper joined in.
Charging her ice attack is a pain, it's so slow and she's vulnerable the whole time
Yeah Ellen is a pain to use for the average player and with the release of Miyabi not only being stronger but easier to use… yeah most people aren’t going to use Ellen or even do well with her despite being actually more than good enough for this event
@le_ghost26plus she's insufferable without caesar
I mean you get more points with Anomaly teams compared to normal DPS hence why they are high up there
@@yuansansano6554 yeah there’s that too, I think things will change when the eventual limited S rank ice support comes out but we’ll see
Most likely the anomaly units performed well because of the Disorder buff. The other buffs are alright, but the uptime is really low.
Nah even without a disorder buff my miayabi/burnice/yanagi nets over 2 million in one cycle.
6 stack charge atk + frostburn+burnice ex special dump burn (1st disorder)+yanagi parry swap/1 b atk combo/ex special dump (2 disorders, 1 from shock override burn+1 from polarity).
Most things don't make it to the 2nd charge atk.
i have been saying since 1.0 that piper is absolutely underrated, and there we have it. 5th best dps performance babyyyy
I still think Lucy and Piper are the best A ranks in the game. Especially if you pulled Burnice and Caesar, then their value goes through the roof.
facts, piper lucy ben obliterated pompei
@@ramsical Lucy and Piper are trully the best A ranks, they should be AAA ranks cause the other A ranks aren't even close
Piper Lucy Burnice is insanely strong for a low cost team
I two star overlord and my piper is like lvl 40 and undergeared.
@Kuddochan it legit hits like a triple S team. And if you want a stronger version, Jane doe reprint is coming up.
I mean... this data is based of players just playing the game. Not tryhard whales doing the mathematically best build of every character. Videos of Soukaku solo clearing marionette is all the evidence i need to know the characters are fine and its the players who are scoring low.
The reason Harumasa is so low here is that because he released for free alongside Miyabi, most people are taking their time building him.
If anyone else is like me; they only had enough resources to build Miyabi or one of the previous S ranks, which is why Yanagi and Burnice are so high.
I think Harumasa will zoom up the ranks in the next bit of time as people finally build him and try him out.
basically when burnice is there the team is 95% of the time either yanagi, miyabi or jane doe cause nobody using her alone so its a guaranteed high scorer since those are very good teams, meanwhile for other units the team could be slop.
Or Piper. Burnice is very versatile, brings a lot to the table and low-key is good in every meta team currently
Well Im using her with Miyabi
Well well, why am i not surprise seeing burnice outperform everyone. Cuz burnice BRAINROT infection has spread so far and wide. Everywhere i go i see her face and every music i hear i heard her song. Even vergil daughter can't cut burnice BRAINROT. U can call it BURNICE APOCALYPSE
Burnice brainrot ost
She lit you can't deny 💃
B1 need disorder for point, B2 need anomaly apply for point, B3 need kill mob for point
I use Miyabi at B3 too
Haru just came out at hot time nobody have mat for build
Lucy just broken with any fire team
Ellen burst gameplay not good at B3
Jane have dmg but anomaly apply not better piper so B2 piper can spam anomaly for point with burnice
Yanagi free point printer at B1
Yup i'm use miyabi at B3 too xD
Crit dps just need time to shine lol
Spam anomaly at boss 2 kinda lit
Still kinda sad, my shark girl 😢
What do you mean ellen burst gameplay? She's not a burst dps, Zhu yuan is and she's doing fine. Marionette is best boss for Ellen but she really relies on Caeser to not get knocked back during her Basic attacks.
One thing about Miyabi in DeadAss is you need good rotations with her. If you're not managing your frost stacks properly, you fall off hard, especially in lower mindscape levels.
I 3 3-star cleared bringer with Miyabi and Soukaku level 40, you are fight the rrotationsare key but I would focus on the defensive assists, as that helps boost both of their decibels and energy (also select the buff in the middle)
Pokke hated the playstyle of soukaku a lot and yet theres someone able to solo with Soukaku 20k points on 3rd boss lol
I genuinely believe it's because everyone and their entire family is running miyabi with 80% crit rate Cr slot 4 and non existent crit dmg because everyone either thinks that a) she's anomaly so she must scale off ap or b) she needs at least 80% crit rate despite running 4pc blade. When will people learn to read the drive disc bonus
You're assuming everyone is running her on set...there's a ton of poorly built Miyabi's. Legit saw a video from a guy talking about his Miyabi/Piper/Lucy team and the dude was hitting a max if 24k per tick of his charged attack, meanwhile my M0S1 is hitting around 50k~ per. That's not even including the Frostburn and the disorder procs from Yanagi.
Either way, I'm not surprised. Anyone who has Burnice/Yanagi is probably running a really well invested Burnice/Yanagi similar to mine.
Ah shit, that's me with my e0s1 running crit rate and 88 percent crit rate
80% crit rate is still good. A majority of Miyabi's damage is crit damage, and as long as you don't overcap crit crate, having more crit rate is still gonna increase your dps. It only becomes a problem once you start losing out on crit damage because of it, but even then, having 80 CR is really nice, because Miyabi doesn't build up anomalies that fast.
@@cerulean5032 it becomes a problem when you solely focus on getting 80% Cr while completely ignoring crit dmg,which is smth the majority of ppl do. You realistically only need 68% crit rate on her to get the full benefit of her application rate buff. Her drive set gives her 12% crit rate after each anomaly trigger. And while yes crit rate over 80% does increase her dps,it's a waste if your crit ratio sucks or if you have no atk/ice dmg
Funnily enough a lot of ppl also assume that you need cdmg when in reality attack is more valuable that cdmg on her but we aren't ready for that convo
I mean, Harumasa came out right next to Miyabi and everyone who got Miyabi would prioritize building her so not that much resources left for Harumasa. It's natural older units would outperform him.
make sense, tbh, The fact that Burnice can deal damage offfield make her damage insane; her on-field damage is on the high-end of S-rank
The only way Ellen can get buffed is if there's a boss that's weak to Ice but immune to Anomaly or there's a dedicated Ellen support that doesn't work with Miyabi somehow.
Dr.Ratio could never be this bad. Bro is still in T0.5 after 1 year!
Harumasa stats got nerfed because everyone have him + he's a skill issue character
bro is going down 2 tiers next patch
Lighter DPR isn't that bad with Qingyi, but people have to consider how many people skipped her (myself included), and how many people came back to the game AFTER she was released. If you take that into consideration, almost all the people running Harumasa are probably running his most budget teams.
@@shadowbreadd9505yes, and harumasa is going to go up every patch. As played finally get to building and learning him his stonks will grow, and when we get electric endgame content rotation
The cope is strong.
I do think we should take into consideration that its only m0 units being calcd, and I feel like most miyabi players who do endgame like this would try for m1+ (im ftp and got m2 with weap) so despite not even having two fully built teams if I cleared this my data would be ignored lol
just my thoughts
That’s the whole point lmao, it’s to see performance at m0. If you were to make an argument it would be against who has signature or not, as well as skill level of players. So many attributes that you can’t take into account but at m0 burnice is probably the most flexible 5 star rn, which is why her average is higher
@ oh no for sure I agree, I just think a lot of miyabi players (while shes fine at m0) wouldve had her invested more which would skew with the results somewhat, since a lot of people seemed to be confused on how low she was
@@dragonkyuu me who spent all my rolls just to get her at 170 pity 😭😭😭
I went from 12-20k points with my miyabi yanagi team by swapping my crit dmg drive disc with a crit rate one and getting her signature lc. Give it a month for people to fix their miyabi builds. And this game mode was centred around anomalies so i kinda understand the results. (but piper outperforming Jane is wild)
I mean I am not surprised most people who pulled miyabi probably also skip yanagi so they use burnice, not only that burnice is insanely good with pompeii very easy clear esp with the piper lucy/jane doe, Im surprised with Ellen so many people are sleeping on her I saw insane run with her on yt but yeah tons of people are only doing the 6 * run and bail which probably effected the score so much, honestly they need bigger data sample and probably restrict it to the 20k clear (I know its kinda contradictory), but eh.
This might be why people don't understand how strong Yanagi is.
Honestly, my Yanagi is right up there with my Miyabi in terms output. She does absolutely massive damage.
@@Osprey1994 I mean she is still the second best dps in the game, problem is that her banner is so close to Miyabi that I bet the majority of people kinda have to skip her or new player/returner that come back in miyabi banner.
@@yuugael4010not so much close, Cause right between Yanagi and Miyabi there was Lighter's banner. And so, ideally, he should have opened variations of the pack with Burnice, but alas, this is not possible, Cause cockblock
Yeah real, i had to skip yanagi to get M2 miyabi@@yuugael4010
23:57 literally one person used billy
Piper has a team with Miyabi which is likely part of why she is located where she is. As for Yanagi, I feel bad for people who didn't pull her...her damage is fucking diabolical.
Harumasa isn't really in the same spot as Ratio was though, we had teams to play him with. Harumasa is just kinda in a bad spot in terms of teams. Even looking at early Evelyn numbers it looks like unless you have Lighter, it won't be worth pulling. If anything, I feel like this could become a pretty fatal flaw for attackers.
Don't forget Piper has Burnice team.
I mean, In his release we didnt really have that many team comps, I would say that the only real teamate he had was topaz... And pela doesnt count bcz she's pela she works with anything
It is a fatal flaw for attackers. Evelyn's kit leaked and she badly needs Lighter more than she needs Astra. Attackers depending on stunners in a game that will naturally introduce more and better DPS units does not bode well for them.
YEP I can confirm the Burnice experience.
I tried to 9 star with S11, Piper/Koleda, Caesar on Pompey and I barely got 14k points. I replaced Piper/Koleda with Burnice and I got 28k.
Burnice single handedly DOUBLED my points.
Similarly, I usually run her with Miyabi and got 29k on Bringer. After taking Burnice away, I lost 9k points and barely got 20k.
Didn't even know Burnice was this insane
all M0W0 btw
Ok i have to be the party pooper because i think Mr.Pokke is either trolling or either clueless (on purpose?).
Q: Why is Burnice higher then Miyabi? A: Easy she JUST CAME OUT and everybody and their mother is still building her and have probably dogshit drives on her. The fact that she made a score this high for a unit that just came out should be proof how much of a power house she is then even a shit build Miyabi can clear endgame content.
Q: Why is Harumasa that low? A: Because Miyabi is everyones priority. Simple as that.
Q: Why is Piper that high? A: Because Anomaly is HEAVILY favored in ZZZ RN and she is a really good for Disorder especially for F2P players.
Q: Why is Ellen so low? A: That i don't know tbh. I would just assume skill issue because Ellen is the worst "feeling" DPS character at M0. But i still cleared the Marionette boss with Ellen and got 21'000 to 22'000ish points.
I can get around 30k-40k pts on B1 and B2 easily, but I'm currently still struggling to clear B3 with Caesar Soukaku Ellen. My Burnice Lucy Piper team despite being less premium than Miyabi Yanagi Rina got a significant higher score, even surpising is my only sig is Miyabi's. Since I have a decent build on Miyabi already, I suppose that it's due to the weakness of the enemies. Pompei is both weak to Fire and Physical, while the new boss is only weak to Ice and not Lightning. So I guess it boils down to either elements or just how cracked Lucy and Piper are as 4* units.
As for B3 at least if I can't clear it with Ellen even if I farmed a bit then I might have a reason now to build Corin now.
Without Caesar lighter, ellen feels pretty bad and most players just use lycaon slowkaku bc they skipped lighter, and bc they have him built already
I cleared with Yanagi boss 1. Jane Doe boss 2. Miyabi boss 3. 20k points on each/9 stars.
Burnice at this point is the only off field anomaly. Makes 100% sense. She is goated with every anomaly agent and can just go straight crit build too. We are all too busy building our Myabis to play Haru
Edit just did it and can say for sure whichever boss Bur nice was against it made it that much easier.
Haruwho?
Burnice is always doing damage as long as she has Heat stacks, so it makes sense that her raw damage numbers are so high? You essentially have 1.5 DPS whenever Burnice is off-field. As for Ellen, I think that the more aggressive bosses and enemies since v1.2 have made it hard for her to keep her Flash Freeze charges up. Charged Scissor Strikes take too long to proc; you really want to Quick Assist into Roaming State to speed that up, but then that doesn't work against the Marionette clones, because you don't have enough time or warning to do that when they're being spammed out.
Why you down playing Bernice? Besides Miyabi she’s my most used character. The off field damage is quite good. With her I can build up both frost anomaly and fire at the same time. And that her ult is one of the best in the game doesn’t hurt either. I’d even say she’s better than yanagi.just gonna pass over that the Miyabi Bernice Lucy team did more damage then the number one used team?
The list makes more sense if u think about it in this context: what does having this unit say about your account in terms of how much money u spend?
True, but tbf this is a m0 data sheet, but I would still expect some to have signatures while others don’t.
Tbf, no one really has good builds yet for a lot of these characters. And also no one yet knows how to use characters optimally.😐 That’s why you’ll see one of the odd non-meta teams stick out with a high score since they probably theory crafted the perfect ben rotation that no one else has found. Also why Harumasa is so low since people are still using 8 slash rotations when others have found 18+ slash rotations already.😅
There is a possibility that the data is skewed since burnice is more commonly used in premium teams w more limited characters and miyabi is prolly being used in a decent portion of f2p teams which would perform worse and bring miyabis score down.
I apologize for bringing down Miyabi with Bringer using Anby and Nicole, I had no other characters built left after S-ranking the other two bosses.
People just understimates the subdps burnice does. She is crazy. Requires 3 secs of field time for over 200k dmg. without counting dissorders.
Damn, Ellen is sooo far, even outside her element in bosses that favor ice 💀
Edit: with a high usage and lower score, I think some players bring Miyabi slightly lower due to massive skill issues(no reading/no guides). I watched a guy play miyabi and never using the charge at max stacks, keeping her on field really long too not utilising the entire team
"I'm lit you can't deny." 🔥
I'm a hsr player & don't know much about zzz but is the game going the same powercreep route as hsr ?
burnice being the xiangling of zzz is crazy
Did boss 3 with Ellen, Lycaon(M1), Sokaku for like 10 tries and couldn't break 17k, swaped out Lycaon for Lighter and got 23k on first try.
I scored higher with Yanagi team. Because i have to separate her with Miyabi due to limited anomaly agents to clear 3 stages. Tried using stun+attacker team and it doesn’t end well
ALL HAIL BURNICE 😹🫵
It has something to do with how Burnice is the ONLY off-field character. You can use her with literally anyone next to her on these lists.
I think people r just confused on what passive to choose. Changing the passives to suit ur team helped add around 10k for each team of mine lmao
i think a sample size of 4,000 (less than 1% of the reported active player base) should be highly taken with a grain of salt
It's so expensive to upgrade just one character, everyone probably spent all their resources on Miyabi and left Harumasa at Lv.40. 😅
I'm playing this game everyday since launch and i didn't have enough for both. 😮
Ellen being so low could be a lot of early / day 1 players that stopped playing have come back, and dont have great teams but have Ellen. I am that player and i can say from my part im brining the average down as i dont have the resources to level multiple teams to 60 but brute forcing DA
Coz the Deadly Assault is about makig disorders to earn high scores quickly, the hyper carrys doesnt work as well the anomaly does, the first boss with Miyabi and Soukaku is ez, but the secod boss with Burnice, Piper (or Jane) and Lucy is a walk in the park, the hyper carrys works on Shiyu.........
Yeah you are right, the first boss with Miyabi and a level 40 Soukaku is easy. I got 2 stars on Pomepy with a level 50 team of Lucy/Piper/ Koleda.
I did manage to clear with my Ellen, soukaku, lighter team.... But that shit was VERY difficult to do on bringer.
I feel like using any non-disorder team on bringer is hard
I wanted to clear using both Miyabi and Ellen, jsut to prove a point, that you can uae them both on different sides and it's not a problem.
Miyabi/Haru/Quingui
Piper/Lycy/Burnice
Ellen/Lighter/Sokaku
Easy clear. And I'm really surprised with that forst abomination of a team, it works surprisingly well (though you really want S6 Banboo for it)
Same and I used soldier 11 for second team to prove another point. Miyabi/Soldier11/Ellen
@@IshyMimic it seams that proving the pint is now true zzz endgame. I'm now climbing the tower with solo Neko, 46 floor, I`m going insane...
The problem is having Ellen and Lighter
In League terms as to my understanding as to why Burnice might be higher than Miyabi is if Miyabi is the Viego and the Jungler, Burnice is the Amumu. The tank/support that lets the others shines but suddenly finishes the game with 3/0/25 while Miyabi/Viego goes 16/4/2 not realizing her team is all 0/8/3
I used Jane against the Marionettes, her second dodge make the fight so much easier
Harumasa 'bout to go ethereal form because of this tier list
Burnice is literally a cheat code... She continuously deals damage even when she appears onfield like once every 10 seconds. Pair her up with strong anomaly like yanagi/miyabi will make her damage even crazier..
Shoot use all 3 together and miyabi doesn't stop using 6 stack charge atk.
I have all 3 at m1w1. They feed each other so stupid well and after I get m2 miyabi (70 pulls away, on guarantee) it'll be completely seemless.
I actually had to separate Miyabi and yanagi because either bringer or Pompey is unplayable. Personally I killed bringer with mono electro yanagi and brute forced Pompey with Miyabi
I don’t think team comps were taken into account. They should do team comp scores, unless these scores are calculated from solo runs in DA.
The bosses don't have a lightning weakness that's why Masamasa is so low
i don't have MIyabi yet so i tried and 20k the stupid new boss with Ellen Lighter Shoukakou but it was a pain. meanwhile Miyabi eat Bringer like squeezed Oreo. when i run ELlen Caesar and Light i could get the 20k+ scores so i have to replaced Caesar with Shoukakou and try to make buff debuff rotation between Lighter and Shoukakou which is quite nuisance.
i think the "random UID" takes a big role. I mean, maybe the majority of the UID's scanned as a data have Burnice (?)
The way scoring is done in deadly assault heavily favors you applying anomaly and disorder and not so much raw DPS.
mocktails mixers ice, snacks are real nice, soda sourmix dry, i’m lit you can’t deny, bouncing
Pairing burnice and miyabi on any boss i got like 50k+ point lmao
The Elite 4 Anomaly owning another gamemode waowww 🤯
Surprise suprise
I think everyone just spent all their resources on Miyabi and haven't built Harumasa yet. I'm builiding him now but it's gonna take some time.
I use Burnice, Miyabi, Harumasa team so I can use disorders and a Miyabi, Qingyi, Harumasa team so I can easily stun more enemies
Caesar and Miyabi carried me really hard in Deadly Assault xD
Miyabi solo'd one of the bosses for me, and Caesar basically solo'd another one for me, I used fully built Caesar with level 30 Billy and she got me to 25k with him xD
Then I used my actual built characters on the third boss
Also idk to me Sacrifice Bringer was by far the easiest boss of the three >.>
Marionettes were the hardest
unless ellen gets jing yuan treatment, its ellen joever
They should throw one extra data with the S Mindscapes they decided to discard. Lots of F2P players get M1 by accident for example, specially for standard characters. Ignoring that data completely is actually making the data worse imo. You already know A rank Mindscapes matters a LOT, and they count those, but, they will also collect data from M0 A ranks and that's gonna drastically lower their overall score.
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Burnice allows people with Piper Jane etc to get high scores.
Those characters then have worse scores for people who don’t have her which lowers their average and not Burnice’s
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Miyabi is the best dps but she's not a MUST have, I skipped her a@# and I'm doing good
also, the list only considers M0 5* agents. most of us who saved probably got M1 Miyabi at least, so we're not at the rankings.
M1 barely changes anything its like a 10% damage increase
Miyabi "under-performing" could be the way Disorder damage is being calculated/credited. At Miyabi M0, after triggering frostburn break, Burnice/Yanagi triggers a huge Disorder and that damage is considered to be done by Burnice/Yanagi, not Miyabi I notice that my Yanagi is consistently scoring higher than Miyabi when my Miyabi was still M0.
Edit: Perhaps same for Piper.
This is not showing units individual damage output, only their average team score, otherwise you wouldn't see supports like Lucy so high up in the ranking.
this isnt in the score this time, and also Yanagi does her own big dmg not rlly that less than Miyabi.
Ain't nobody building Harumasa except newbies who don't have enough DPS lol
And newbies ain't even clearing this mode 😂😂😂
I am nobody then
Imagine not pulling for Burnice, "She so lit you can't deny!".
I don't know, my m0w1 Ellen hit 22k in sacrifice bringer and 32k in notorious marionette. She got power crept butnI really don't think she's that bad 😂
Lol... I got only 2 stars on the first Boss while running Ellen or Miyabi/Lighter or Qingyi/Soukaku .... Then I tried first Buff... Miyabi+Piper+Lucy and got 3 star first try... despite the boss being resistant to physical... and my Piper and Lucy are only level 50 (I don't have Yanagi because I had to take break during that period... but I'll get her the second she will get rerun).
Looking at this, it's 100% clear that off field DPS is carrying. If you're not using Burnice, Rena, Yanagi, or Lucy then you're using units that lower your performance, period.
Burnice is indeed a very strong unit but being rank #1 on every side is crazy. Definitely got to take this data with a grain of salt. Miyabi can be explained by her being on banner right now. Most people will have mid builds on her, and *a lot* of people came back to the game or just started because of her. It's not that surprising that she's lagging behind, especially since many of her most common teams are pretty cope (Piper support for example). What is surprising is how close the Yanagi and Burnice variants are for Miyabi teams. If you have either of those two you are definitely not a brand new player so I think you can compare them reasonably well.
Jane Doe lagging a bit behind strikes me as weird but there are quite a few players who forced her on to side 1 and 3 where she doesn't belong. Then again it's the same with Burnice who still tops the charts everywhere. Ellen and Zhu Yuan are both kinda showing their age but Zhu Yuan is holding up better on average. I guess it comes down to Ellen being clunky and requiring quite a bit more skill to work properly.
Burnice is number 1 in combined data because Yanagi and Miyabi's most popular or 2nd most popular team has Burnice in it. It's the entire reason why sub dps is a very strong role. Basically, it's the Xiangling problem. Hell, you can even pair her with Jane Doe, Soldier 11 and Piper. With Astra Yao and Evelyn coming, she can benefit once again from both since she can be slotted with them.
She is number one due to anomaly/disorder buff that this mode provides - simple as that
@@omnipotiscience7251 If she's the second pick the numbers should reflect that tho. She's scoring above both of them. Unless you're saying that Burnice is never paired with "bad" teammates, whereas Miyabi and Yanagi both are. Maybe that could explain it.
I did finally get around to doing this on my account today and she was definitely the glue that kept my teams together. With her Miyabi got over 40k points on the first side, without her I had to reset a few times to even creep above 20k. Jane on the second side same story 12k without her and 28k with her. To be fair it was Burnice+Lucy vs. Seth+Rina(M1), since I don't have Yanagi. God I wish I had 2 Burnices now... and two Lucys lol.
@@bjornnilsson2941 I'm pretty sure its also because since Miyabi and Yanagi can use her, it means she gets points whenever she gets slotted with either of them so 1 player may use Miyabi + Burnice while the other may use Yanagi + Burnice which would mean she gets points while the main dps gets a hit especially when she can do damage off field unlike Miyabi + Yanagi.
Come to think of it, Miyabi, Yanagi and Burnice all pair nicely with one another.
@@omnipotiscience7251 That only explains appearance rate tho. It doesn't matter how often a character is used, only what their average score is. In most cases high appearance rate negatively affects a characters score because it means many casuals use them.
This data is mind boggling. I know this game is somewhat skill based outside of the gacha but still. They gave everyone miyabi so the average miyabi player is average.
Burnice being burnice, But TBH, Harumasa is really good with F2P team(Anby and Nicole) I got 20k+ score for the 3rd stage with them. It's not that bad he's really strong if you know how to use him. Then again Burnice is Burnice ✨💜
This is the end of Miyabi, literally unplayable now. THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING
They kinda screwed Harumasa over with no lightning weak on his debut in Shiyu Def 6-7 or Deadly Assault.
Burnice is so high because most people keep her at M0, period.
8:16 some people yes xD, I've seen some showcases of her and she is actually pretty good, and at leat I feel like her gameplay as a dps is more fun than as a support since her animations feels very slow
Meanwhile Jane is my crutch 🤣 and I have Miyabi, Yanagi, and Burnice. But Jane just so much better to play for me.
i want to use Nekomata, but her dps is so bad...that or i'm too used to disorder teams just removing chunks of HP on the regular
Tbf most people havent build Haru yet, plus he's to hard to play for zzz newcomers. Vice versa for Miyabi, one of the easiest to play agents even outside of disorder.
Since this tierlist doesnt include M1+ many ZY and Ellen "Mains" arent included either. I could clear all three bosses with 25-30k+ without breaking a sweat with Ellen M1W1
If you consider most of these in the Data are probably Starlight engine users the Score is understandable. Anomaly Units are busted
They need to put a limit or something so we don't count the one with less then 10k
so much effort for data that means nothing.
Why do you think so?
@ data sample extremely small and biased towards lower performing players. I would need to double check but I believe some of the agents did not have some of their best teams listed. Also how those characters were geared is a big one too. dps Ben vs tank Ben would perform dramatically differently.
@ and just to the that guy. tier lists and power rankings don’t matter when dps Ben teams can Clear everything in the game.
Btw isn't it kind of scummy for Prydwen to randomly scan 4000 accounts? This type of information is useless with only 1000 user submits
What really hurts is I spent money to get copies of Ellen and she is outperformed by almost every other dps/anomaly carry.