He just saw epic fight between Vegeta and Boosted Tamagami + Kraken. Goku eated medi bug is that's mean Goku used SSJ3 in Daima? You people are so delulu.
I must admit, I wasn't very thrilled about Daima when it was first announced, especially over not getting more Super, but it has done nothing but deliver bangers.
Honest question, what exactly do you think DAIMA "delivered" besides nostalgia + fan service? Not hating, but if we objectively criticized GT + Super for their shortcomings, which we should if we cared + wanted the series to keep improving, then we can't just give DAIMA free passes just coz Akira Sensei went toward the Serpent Road. For me this series so far is a lot like the StarWars ST, but could get better if they stick the landing.
@@LusheRenRen we can see Daima, GT and super as a 3 different timeline continuation. It won't give us the same hype as DB and Z but it is a nice effort to extend the DB multiverse (also the games, movies fan mangas and DBhero included) as a whole and provide fans further excitement in the genre.
@@LusheRenRen Daima has delivered a new world to explore, a plot that isn’t the same plot over and over again that is a strong guy with big number endangering the earth, actual creative choreography again, new lore, new fun characters, good character interactions, more weapon based combat and not only just punches and kicks, story setups with payoffs down the line, making transformations feel powerful again, good animation, and a story that actually revolves around the dragon balls again.
@@solidsolo9258 To each's own. Many SW fans made the same pitch for the SW ST after TFA. Incredible visuals + sound, but subpar writing + rehashed story beats. More coping + denial after TLJ. Then reality kicks in after TROS. Not asking you to dislike the series, but if we objectively critiqued GT + Super, we can't just turn a blind eye to DAIMA.
I commented on last week's episode video that the only way I wouldn't be pissed they did my boy dirty like that would be if he busts out either already in SSJ3, or proceeds to go SSJ3 afterwards. It feels good to be vindicated, lol.
I'm not sure why a lot if you thought the fight was done, when we never even saw him transform yet. We told you to chill and wait until the next episode. 😂
let it be known that Vegeta never used ssj god in the anime, but only in the movie and manga. I learned from this, like ssj 3, that just because vegeta never used the ssj god form, didn't mean he couldn't do it. This reasoning could perhaps be also said for the reason why Goku and Vegeta neglected to use the ssj 1 stage 3 muscle form (Ultra SSJ) like Future Trunks, even though Goku used it once in the manga/ anime , while Vegeta chose not to rely on the form's ability due to its potential weakness. Based on these examples, the series seems to indicate that saiyans who train alot and are powerful enough to raise their ki to higher power levels that surpass the limits of a particular ssj level of power are very capable of achieving higher ssj forms, such as ssj 3, if they want to.
@@scottylikeamelody can you people just not wait until the series is over? He may say in literally the next episode that he doesn’t like the form and would only use it to quickly overpower someone (which he couldn’t do against beerus)
@@scottylikeamelodyhe was already told by king Kai that Goku got one shot in his ssj3 form, what would be the point in using the form. Them even say a fusion would do nothing vs beerus and a fusion is stronger than ssj3
@@ishowspeedplug2845 People say this when that just means Vegeta shouldn't have fought at all during BoG if the logic is "he knew SS3 Goku lost." there is literally no logical reason why he wouldn't use his strongest form if he knew this was his last bet even if he expected to fail, He literally kneels before Beerus and gives up in both the anime and the movie while only using a form thats four times weaker than SS3.
Pay attention to Vegeta and bulma’s relationship. I love how she is his biggest supporter and there is enough transparency that she knew about his ssj3 transformation. Excellent character dynamics!
I just imagine Balma and Vegeta laying in bed and having a discussion about their days. Vegeta like one day I finally hit that form of super Saiyan that Kakrot did.
Unless it’s at the end of Damian, ssj3 has absolutely no value to goku and vegeta unless they can’t access god ki. All the god forms are just superior in every way, and ssj2 is the better fallback ssj form when they’re low on energy or stamina
Now that Vegeta knows SSJ3 ik for a fact we're gonna get an awesome battle with them both as SSJ3 fighting together and possibly a new fusion that also uses SSJ3 🔥
This episode was pure 🔥 I love how vegeta’s super saiyan 3 looks so different from goku’s and gotenks, jus wait till he’s added to sparking zero maaaaannnn that’s peak
@@ssppeeaarrwell I mean, seeing as how GT goku has a base power level equivalent to EoZ SSJ3 goku, yeah probably. Not easily though. If he went ssj1 then yeah it's a wrap.
Honestly, Daima is refreshing from the constant God of Destruction and Angel forms. I like that its taking it back to a simpler time of just Super Saiyan grades. No God forms in sight. Loving it
I cannot wait to see what a challenge Kuu and Duu represent when they fuse. Kuus brains and Duus brawn. They're like the exact opposite of a (hopefully SSJ3) Vegito fusion. Seeing that battle is gonna be peak, for sure.
To the people asking why Vegeta didn't go SS3 against Beerus... because Super was written BEFORE Daima and Toriyama still hadn't thought about giving Vegeta SS3.. is that so hard to understand?
They are asking why in the STORY.. obviously the amswer is because he hadn't made it yet. Just like how dragon ball z completely changed goku and piccolo's origins... Its just lame that they made plot holes
@@randybobandy9828 if there has to be a reason then it is likely that Vegeta feels like Ssj2 is better suited. We all know Ssj3 has a heavy stamina drain. I'd say Ssj2 is likely still the most balanced and refined form of Ssj. Ssj3 is likely a "hyperdrive" form. Goku likes to sacrifice his body for temporary power ups like in Kaioken. We haven't seen Vegeta take this approach in anyway until Ultra Ego where the physical tax has a direct more effective pay off (getting constant power boost through damage received). So Vegeta likely doesn't like the strategy of short sustainability. He prefers a long term sustainable form, unless the payoff balances the drawback. Goku has the strategy to be confident that he can get the job done before the drawback and can heal afterwards.
@SkyeRedd910 not only that but Beerus is not the type to just let people do what they want, unless he's interested. Vegeta would know perfectly well that Beerus would just blast him.
Did you notice… 1: the spikes on the one Vegeta fought resembles the spikes on omega shenron? 2: Majin Kuu looks like nova shenron 3: the whole plot arc is very similar to GT (dragon balls turning them into kids forcing Goku to travel to another world).
Vegeta gets a W with this episode with SSJ3. The coolest thing about this transformation is that unlike Goku and Gotenks who awakened Super Saiyan 3 and they lose they first fight... Vegeta defeated Tamagami in both Hand-to-hand and intellectual combat.
Still wasn’t the main villain. He only beat the side quest. Doesn’t compare, with all due respect. I’ll add that Goku grabbed Buu by the head and gave him paddle-ball punches.
Bruh Goku first fight as SS3 didn't lose, he only buy time for Trunks to get the radar, plus he cannot do it longer as the form take away his "living" time on earth during that point.
@@davidbowerman3089That makes no sense. It's still his own power. You're making excuses. Did you not watch the episode when Vegeta didn't let OoZaru take over his mind completely? He overcame it. Goku had help getting his tail but he still transformed on his own into SSJ4. If Vegeta didn't do it on his own then Goku didn't either. Stop being a Goku Fanboy.
@Carlos-J-Fajardo actually my favourite character, isn't goku. The difference you FAIL to realise is that vegeta is in an adult form with no tail.. I'm not disagreeing with you about the power inside him, but it's the key observational difference between them both Yes, goku got help pulling the tail out, which I never denied. But the tail was growing out of him before it got pulled Vegeta got hit with concentrated blutz waves from the machine which is more than what goku got from a fake moon (earth on planet tuffle/vegeta)
@@davidbowerman3089What an ignorant thing to say. You're still showing bias from one character over another. Goku being exposed to a real moon and having his tail already when he needed it pulled is all the same. The machine was a faster way more efficient way. It's called technology. It was a smart play. Saying he had less help is ridiculous because that isn't the point. They both still had help in their own way. Again, if Vegeta didn't do it on his own neither did Goku. That's the end of that story. My point was proven. I don't give a damn if you are a Goku fan or not. Stick to the facts.
After returning to an adult, Vegeta can say SS3 is more useful for their kid bodies (since theres more a need for a strength boost, and something like..youthful energy better resists the demands on the body), and not as good for adult bodies.
I may be imagining this, but wasn’t this an explanation in dragon ball GT? Or was it the opposite ? I feel like in GT Goku either had an easier time because of his small body, or a harder time.
You actually see the kraken again at the very end of the episode as they are leaving in the ship just floating and chilling on the water in the background
Didn’t see or hear this anywhere so here is an exclusive for the GEEKDOM Community. If you go back to Ep. 1 of Diama. Look at Goku and Vegeta’s fight. It ends with a classic Beam Battle, when it explodes Goku comes from the smoke and catches Vegeta off Guard and Goku PUNCHES him, winning the match Vegeta does this to the Tamagami. He shoots his Galic Gun - The Tamagami eventually deflects it but gets caught off guard for Vegeta to lay a solid PUNCH! Nice little nod there and how Vegeta also learns from Goku
@@ActuallyEllrod SS1-SS2 Goku also did that against the Tamagami after he deflected the Kamehameha which means it's definitely something Goku does when the opportunity calls for it.
They've been teasing how smart Kuu is the whole time. It was his idea to run off and buy Duu chocolate (both times), he's said various things that hint that his strength lies in brains as opposed to brawn. And, of course, he comes in with the clutch assist for the math problem and secures the victory. All while Dr Arinsu is just standing there dumbfounded, lol.
I’ve got a feeling that kuu is going to help goku and his folks. Seeing how he wasn’t recognized for his contribution in that scene when he brings it up. Just look at his expression
@dani-ks9cg which obviously had Pure Buu inside him. When absorbed, they're only inside and not fully fused. Pure Buu was weakened by absorbing the GS Kai. Therefore, Majin Duu could've been made with more Pure Buu than GS Kai. With the fact that Fat Buu isn't a fusion of Pure Buu and the GS Kai, it's actually more likely that Majin Duu is closer to Pure Buu than Fat Buu.
I thought when Vegeta raged out on Beerus someone said he had surpassed Goku SSJ3. Also when Trunks came back he faced Goku SSJ3. When he brought it to Vegeta when they fought. Vegeta never said he couldn’t do it. He was more like if you thought that was power then let me show you something else. Basically I always thought he could go SSJ3 but didn’t bc of the draw backs. It is nice to get it officially in the canon. Thanks for the gift Big Tori.
Vegeta not going ssj3 vs beerus is the same reason goku didnt use kaioken blue vs black and broly. The writers do NOT care. As long as the masses are getting a shiny sparkly form they make bank. No need for an intricate or interesting story.
Ehhh, I still think its a cope/retcon/inconsistently to say Vegeta wouldn't use SSJ3 against Beerus when EVERYTHING was potentially on the line, and Vegeta was more concerned and scared of Beerus then we've pretty much seen him of anyone besides maybe Frieza. Stamina wouldn't matter in that scenario when fighting an overwhelming opponent who you know could end you in seconds. Also, it's just nonsensical given the dialogue that everyone uses to say that Vegeta "surpassed Goku in that moment." Unless we're to believe that despite Vegeta having SSJ3, that Goku was significantly stronger than him anyways. Also, Vegetas notable shock when King Kai tells him Goku was defeated in just a few blows. I just don't think it makes much sense when you take Super into account. It's a light retcon or inconsistency, but it's still an inconsistency, regardless. Like the Potara/ KibitoKai problem between Daima and Super. (A much bigger inconsistency) That being said, by the time Vegeta is training with Whis, it's obvious Vegeta could have done SSJ3 if he felt like it. By that point, he has far surpassed the necessary power needed to do the form. This is more just an issue with Battle of Gods and early early Super.
That's facts. I'm loving Daima much more than DBs, but I can't just say Daima is retconing stuff and creating potholes. We all knew that DBs Vegeta couldn't go ssj3, this episode happened and now ppl are acting like Vegeta had it all along. It's just cope.
Also the whole thing about "Vegeta not using the lesser forms" is just false, he uses various forms of SSJ in the U6 vs 7 arc, Black Arc, ToP, Broly Movie, Moro Arc and the Granolah Arc, I don't see why people are trying so hard to justify the fact that the only reason Vegeta has it is because Toriyama wanted him to despite everything pointing to him not having it (especially prior to his God training)
Not that I have an issue with him getting ssj3, but the argument that it doesn't fit his fighting style & thats why he doesn't use it against beerus is just silly lol. He saw his wife get slapped. He would've gone too his absolute strongest form to finish him off, not to have a prolonged battle. Its just something the writers don't give you an awnser for & it doesn't make sense
@@CurtisDProductions Trunks fought at God levels at SS2 also. Even Goku skipped SS3 after using SS2 and went straight to God against Both Jiren and Caulifla + Kale
There is something that we have to acknowledge! Super Saiyan 3, it has never gotten a win no matter who used it. Goku could not beat Fat Buu, (he was thrashing about Fat Buu using Super Saiyan 3, but Goku was knocked out and did not see what happened in the fight between Fat Buu and Vegeta and even Majin Buu's regeneration, and even though he was a Spirit and could handle a little less energy drainage that a full mortal body, Majin Buu would likely outlast him with his stamina and regeneration if it came to that), Gotenks didn't beat Super Buu, and even got absorbed by Super Buu, and Super Saiyan 3 Goku did not beat Kid Buu, he was draining too much energy, and Kid Buu was going to outlast him, with his great stamina and regeneration, and even at the last scene with the Spirit Bomb Goku even acknowledges that the battle with Kid Buu was not a one on one fight, and Super Saiyan 3 Goku lost against Beerus. Vegeta is the only character who has gotten a win in Super Saiyan 3 in this fight against Tamagami 2!!
@hurricane7727 ok, yes to hirudigarn, he did not defeat janempa (fat janemba) he pushed back until it forced a transformation. And alternate timelines accepted..... movie goku in both those was way stronger than Canon timeline goku. But yes, absolutely true point you make.
in the movies and GT it did win and massively ok. lol. non canon but idc it got wins... dragonfist will always be the GOAT finisher for goku... hopefully toyo will bring it into canon. someday.
"Why didn't vegeta use ssj3 against beerus" Lets go through this, So ssj3 seems to take longer to transform than ssj2, So really theres your answer, He was extremely mad so just transformed into the easiest form to channel his rage
I came to this same conclusion. If we are to assume that SS3 would take him just as long as it did in DAIMA, then we can assume he can’t tap into it on instincts alone. Bulma being slapped INSTANTLY triggered him to SS2.
@@extremelegendsupreme4596 yeah and got immediately KOd vegeta knows who beerus was and he knows that every transformation was useless he only got up because of bulma vegeta surrendered at beginning not like goku that got KOd in 2 sec
Vegeta could have played Tamagami. His SSJ 3 was at its limit, but he kept his composure bluffed Tamagami and used his body language to signal his dominance.
I reckon the difference in SS3 would be less pronounced had they still been adults. Reason it gives off that Super Sonic vibe is because Classic Sonic was only like 3ft tall. The hair scaling with body size imo is actually really smart. I know Gotenks gets the droop but that's a fusion of two so you could theorize twice the hair? Fusions do some weird stuff with Gotenks with his purple patches as is in base form. I feel this redesign of 3 wouldn't suit Adult Vegeta too well. add more to the bottom and let it flair up i guess? Since naturally speaking Vegeta's hair is much higher standing than Goku's 3 tall spikes with lower hanging main spikes, Vegeta has one distinct spike up the rest of his hair follows on and they've represented that well with this SSJ3 form! I love it.
@ I did say gotenks is a whole other mess and could certainly just be a product of its time. Not an accurate representation of a child ssj3. Why does he have purple in his base form? Trunks didn’t have purple hair either. Goten didn’t either, neither of them can even go ssj2 by themselves so a lot of the visual design is down to the fusion technique and not their individual strengths. So I feel this ssj3 form of vegeta is actually paying attention to scale this time over style which is really the opposite of what they were going for when they designed gotenks. It was all style over form. No other reason for the purple in his base form or why he could just go ssj3 without ever achieving it or the lesser 2 form by themselves. There’s no logic besides they thought it looked cool. This time it seems they’ve paid close attention to how long hair would scale and sit on a child vegeta, there ain’t no way they paid attention with gotenks. He was basically a separate character in both power and design.
Great breakdown video Geekdom, when the moment happen I was like your sources were on FREAKING POINT! I never held the 2019 DBS come back thing against you. You explained yourself well and its understable plans can change. A lot of plans were changing in the world for everything going into 2020. Been watching your content since 2017 and even went back to a lot of your older vids before that year. You've been very accurate more times then not. It's why I often shout you out in my own DB content as one the most well researched/knowledgeable DB fans out there. That said this moment was a long time coming for Vegeta fans, over 3 decades of waiting! It was definitely one of my top favorite Vegeta moments of ALL TIME!
If we wan talk about a retcon, lets talk about how Piccolo told Neva he can't speak Namekian despite having a conversation in Namekian with Kami during the world martial arts tournament & also being merged with Nail who also spoke Namekian.
Vegeta's awareness of SS3's drawback was probably why he changed up his entire fighting style to resemble Vegito's. He was probably conserving his energy to maximize how much time he'd have in the form before the energy drain became too taxing.
I have a hunch, that Dr Arinsu will be absorbed by majin Kuu when they’re tired of taking commands or not getting the recognition he wants (just a hunch)
This is one of the few reasons that make Daima relevant: It answers unknown questions like did Vegeta ever use SSJ3? Now we know because of Daima. I can also appreciate the lore behind the shows episodes as well.
I mean this is kind of self-explanatory considering where they are now in power levels, but what had me laughing hard was when Vegeta told Goku he's grown from eating bugs.
Vegeta's SS3 form shown in Daima is correct for the Future telling of Ultra Ego Vegeta as he is utilizing a combination of SS3 mixed with Ultra Ego and God State making that Ultra Ego God or Destruction State and its always made sense for him to use SS3 mixed with Ultra Ego as it helps the Ego state also his hair is very similar then too... Eventually i think Vegeta will continue to keep utilizing the form and even perfecting a deeper form for SS3 and Ultra Ego in the future!
I think we’re good on ultra ego or anything related to DBS. For that matter. Let’s just call this a fresh start. Would be a shame for this series to lead into the disrespectful mess we call DBS.
@@courve lol/ i feel the pain but why would toriyama create a non canon not related to DBS series?? he did contribute heavily to dbs to anime and manga. then did his own movies for dbs. this kind of explains the enraged ss2 being so powerful vs beerus now too. if vege already had his ss3. and even those kakarott dbz game and its dlcs i think. which even has a post buu saga goku vs vegeta match. where now unsurprisingly ss2 vegeta can keep up with ss3 goku. it all kinda makes sense... lol dont have to like it but it is what it is. vegeta is somewhat goku true equal now. goku is number one hype is sadly only in dbz... hopefully we see more of ss3 in the lore now for future dragonball content. even tho higher forms exist. its always a nice throwback. to when saiyan power was hype of dragonball. at least broly is canon now tho and can carry on that legacy.
@@ssppeeaarr not sure I can agree. Daima has already contradicted DBS in a fundamental way just in the first episode. In Daima, Shin explains to Goku that the magic inside Buu’s body is the reason why fusion was undone. In the DBS anime, neither Shin nor Goku knew it was possible to de-fuse, and it was Gowasu that first explained it was even possible at all despite taking place after the time period of Daima. Further, in the DBS, manga, Shin and Kibito are restored by using the Namek dragon balls to de-fuse.
Idk about other people but I'm loving Daima so far and this episode was spectacular honestly. The way they paid homage to the OG ssj3 concept look and made Vegeta move like Vegito lol... This shit was FIRE BRO!!! It's also a breathe of fresh air to bring it back to the days where ssj was exciting to see, and then of course ssj3 just breaks the scene when we see it. But don't sleep on Majin Duu, my boi straight BLASTED that tamagami 🤣 and he really shows a lot of potential to absorb kuu and become a force to be reckoned with...
I thought that Vegeta being eaten by the Kraken and being shown the teeth and all of that was a reference to Dragon Ball GT when Goku was in the mouth of that giant who had the Dragon Ball imbedded into his tooth.
I'm sure they will get their wish soon, but because of transformations they probably made them a kid again so they didn't have to introduce a new one in between buu and super. It's looking like they are going to get wished back soon and will have to fight either gomah or the majins
For any of us who still have a problem with Prince’s SS3 transformation not being displayed in DBS: 1. The SS3 mutation is ONLY beneficial when you need a powerful boost to finish your opp. quickly. The fight with T2 in Daima demonstrates just how judicial Vegeta is at using this form. He normally has no qualms about using trusted transformations for more power when he feels threatened whereas Son prefers to paint himself into a corner before upping the ante. The fact that Prince chose to wade the fight out as long as possible using SS & SS2 before bringing the fight to its conclusion (SS3), speaks volumes. Some alternatives that apply outside of this rule of thumb using SS3 are fusion and fighting in “other world,” halo style 😇. 2. Prince was informed by King Kai that Beerus gave Son a mean L while he was in SS3. We know he carries disdain for any forms that have major drawbacks in high level combat (ex.Cell Saga intentionally didn’t use Grade 3) so why would he use SS3 to probe a fight with a God that already KO’d Kakarot with a 2 piece? It’s just not smart. 3. Speculation Time: I don’t think Prince trusts the SS3 form the way Son does. In DBS, I’m not sure he even likes using SS2 because much of the time, its a bit difficult to discern, but I think if he’s not using Blue he’s trying to push his SS form beyond its limits. I think Vegeta believes that the SS form is still best for combat and holds a more powerful transformation outside of the mutations when he’s not dripped out in God Ki. 4. Which brings me to the Rage boosts. Both Trunks and Vegeta experience mysterious and very potent augmentations from the SS state when they tap into an extreme rage. The transformations they undergo bypass the SS mutations completely. It’s almost as if their SS state instinctively evolves to be able to at least give them a true fighting chance. Prince goes from being no match for Beerus in his chill state to throwing hands and sparring with the destroyer god. This is especially more true of Trunks as he couldn’t even tap into the SS3 mutation. However, he goes from getting rag dolled by Black and Zamasu in his SS2 state and now we see his SS state cloaking itself in divine ki: almost like it INSTINCTIVELY EVOLVED b/c he was exposed to his dads blue state.
Don’t get why there was sooooo much whining about spoilers on the last video. Bruh… every channel had Vegeta SSJ3 thumbnails and or in the title of the video. The thumbnail is what made me go back and watch Daima after pausing. Good grief.
Lol, I agree...people acting like this is a new thing, even with Geekdom. Going online or to social media when you're not wanting to be spoiled is a bad idea, dontchano
Definitely right but those videos weren't uploaded one minute after the actual episode dropped so at least people had the chance to view the episode...what geekdom101 did was outright insensitive
Dude so he dont turn ssj3 vs Berus cuz its drain energy but he do it for tamagami 😅😅 fe fight Berus not even a minute after that rage, thats a plot hole and you cant defend that one
That’s not a plot hole. A plot hole goes against the logic of the story and presents an inconsistency. Vegeta not turning ssj3 against beerus doesn’t go against the logic of the story at all because it relied on the choice of the character. Vegeta was in a fit of rage and simply powered up.
Remember in GT how kid Vegeta had a badass fight and went SSJ3 to get a clean, decisive win? And remember all the deep new lore that answered so many questions and left us wanting more?
So what happens if one is strong enough to beat the tamagami but can't solve the puzzle... If they are strong enough, what's the stop someone from just taking the ball by force and forsaking the second part of testing?
@@Masterbehaterit would depend on whether it’s stated in the manga or the anime. The two are different enough to be 2 separate continuities and Daima is likely made in line with the super manga since it’s the one that’s currently ahead and continuing the story.
Absolutely. Vegeta's SS3 was fire. At first I didn't realize he had gone SS2 when he came out of the squid creature but he pulled it off. And I also like the mental challenges in Daima. It was a different twist to DBZ.
Ssj 3 is power focused and energy drainer. Vegeta knew Bill's was out classing him in every other Stat too. It was not going to give him the upper hand (of course I know this is a retconned explanation, but it doesn't break Canon, it's just characterization) . Remember how Vegeta felt towards Bills. And the power of his ssj3 could have been felt through the punch he gave bills while enraged. It literally can be explained in many ways, and remain canon
it may be less draining in the smaller body considering how calm he was while fighting in ss3. also he probably never went back to it because his fully mastered super saiyan form was stronger and more efficient in super.
Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta just destroyed the cannon DBS timeline. Vegeta didn't use SS3 against Beerus. I wonder how this new timeline of Dragon Ball Daima will affect DBS.
There is no canon destroyed. It would be destroyed if they said he COULDN'T use it against Beerus. It doesn't matter that he didn't. They never said he couldn't do it. So ultimately, him not using it doesn't matter. You can feel that it doesn't make sense in your opinion, but no, it is not canon breaking. Stop over thinking it. It's not that deep. Dragon Ball fans are always doing this lol
Ok so Daima has been awesome. And I've loved every second of it... until this Vegeta SSJ3 bullshit. This was clearly fan service and just to say they got to use the original SSJ3 design. This breaks cannon in Super when Vegeta had his "MY BULMA" moment against Beerus. Why didn't he turn SSJ3 then? Right, because he couldn't, and he was never suppossed to. Such a lame decision to bring this in now. Wtf
What I'm getting from this is that you're upset because this confirms that Daima doesn't connect to Super and exists in a different timeline, just like all the other series-GT, Super, and the original manga. Let's be clear: Super was nothing but a disappointing fan service show.
@@AdrianD_52 I can agree to that. The SSJ transformations were a joke in Super after SSJG and SSJB got introduced. Still, in my opinion, it feels so inconsistent to have all these made up "timelines" just to keep juicing the DB franchise, because it keeps inserting more and more cannon breaks and inconsistencies. Order matters, at least to me. And this just invalidates previous products we got before and thought were the most legitimate. The more stuff like this keeps coming, although awesome, it keeps breaking things just for fan service and looses legitimacy in my eyes. Everything was going well until Ep.12, lets see what happens next.
It doesn't break canon at all. SSJ3 is a flawed form. It gives a sudden power boost at base, but quickly deteriorates. More importantly, it takes time and focus to get into. The "My Bulma" scene tapped into something we've seen time and time again. SSJ 2 + rage is MUCH more powerful base SSJ 2, and even has had feats that surpass base SSJ 3. We seen this with teen Gohan when from peak strength and toying with Cell, to being more "rational" and losing some of the strength. Cell even called it out and intentionally was trying to piss him off to make him peak again. We seen it again during Battle of the Gods when SSJ 3 Goku (no rage) was literally flicked away effortlessly, and a rage-boosted SSJ 2 Vegeta landed multiple blows.
@@AdrianD_52I haven’t even watched this but this is in a different timeline again? Seriously they just throw whatever to please you guys at this point 😂
I gotta ask you question.Why are you making promotion super saiyan 3 kid vegeta selling t-shirt on shop online 0:37? Like bro. You don't own all this dragon ball selling t-shirt on shop online! That's complete unnecessary. Nobody care about super saiyan 3 kid vegeta! Please taking these website T-shirt shop online down about super saiyan 3 kid vegeta due toei company and shueisha they're going to after you right now. Thank you so much loser❤!
@@HenryBrown-ro7lk what is wrong with you leave him alone and do something constructive with your time maybe not insult people for their merch and considering his success he’s not a loser at all I sense a lot of jealousy and pettiness oozing out of your post do better
@Jonathon_woods and I'm don't care. He is selling on merchandise that is unnecessary for leaked super saiyan three kid vegeta shirts on shop online. He doesn't own a dragon ball type shirt stuff. Belong to shueisha and toei. You can get mad at me all you want. But I don't care!
@@ottomontero1798 @ 1: he’s not doing anything new and he has never gotten In trouble like that. 2: the fact you insult by calling him a loser shows you don’t like him and hope he gets in trouble. 3: only a real loser wishes for the downfall of others treat people better don’t be a actual loser by insulting others.
11:40 Bro nobody cared about getting the chocolate lol, his "assist" referring to helping with the math numbers. She didnt recognize he gave answer to Duu
Now we know why vegito fights with no hand, is a vegeta thing
Vegeta always kick boxing
Known that for years but ok...
I mean…
Canon as fuck
@@JoseMunoz-pu5ef now you know . Some of us knew already
Goku offered a medi bug because he knows the drawbacks of ssj3
He just saw epic fight between Vegeta and Boosted Tamagami + Kraken. Goku eated medi bug is that's mean Goku used SSJ3 in Daima? You people are so delulu.
Good job kiddo
ssj3 has no draw backs
@@zetset57 what he means is the same thing , he offered a medi bug bcoz he knows ssj3 massively drains energy
@@zetset57bro crashing out for no reason no one is saying goku used ss3 in Daima 😭🙏
I must admit, I wasn't very thrilled about Daima when it was first announced, especially over not getting more Super, but it has done nothing but deliver bangers.
told you!!
Honest question, what exactly do you think DAIMA "delivered" besides nostalgia + fan service?
Not hating, but if we objectively criticized GT + Super for their shortcomings, which we should if we cared + wanted the series to keep improving, then we can't just give DAIMA free passes just coz Akira Sensei went toward the Serpent Road.
For me this series so far is a lot like the StarWars ST, but could get better if they stick the landing.
@@LusheRenRen we can see Daima, GT and super as a 3 different timeline continuation. It won't give us the same hype as DB and Z but it is a nice effort to extend the DB multiverse (also the games, movies fan mangas and DBhero included) as a whole and provide fans further excitement in the genre.
@@LusheRenRen Daima has delivered a new world to explore, a plot that isn’t the same plot over and over again that is a strong guy with big number endangering the earth, actual creative choreography again, new lore, new fun characters, good character interactions, more weapon based combat and not only just punches and kicks, story setups with payoffs down the line, making transformations feel powerful again, good animation, and a story that actually revolves around the dragon balls again.
@@solidsolo9258 To each's own. Many SW fans made the same pitch for the SW ST after TFA. Incredible visuals + sound, but subpar writing + rehashed story beats.
More coping + denial after TLJ. Then reality kicks in after TROS.
Not asking you to dislike the series,
but if we objectively critiqued GT + Super,
we can't just turn a blind eye to DAIMA.
when he got eaten i was like bruh they hoed him again… then next episode boom…. thanks toriyama
I commented on last week's episode video that the only way I wouldn't be pissed they did my boy dirty like that would be if he busts out either already in SSJ3, or proceeds to go SSJ3 afterwards. It feels good to be vindicated, lol.
Bruh I was so pissed lmfao
I'm not sure why a lot if you thought the fight was done, when we never even saw him transform yet. We told you to chill and wait until the next episode. 😂
What is a bruh?
@porsche9302 its what you like right? Bruh=bro=man=dude sooo yeah you like dudes
let it be known that Vegeta never used ssj god in the anime, but only in the movie and manga. I learned from this, like ssj 3, that just because vegeta never used the ssj god form, didn't mean he couldn't do it.
This reasoning could perhaps be also said for the reason why Goku and Vegeta neglected to use the ssj 1 stage 3 muscle form (Ultra SSJ) like Future Trunks, even though Goku used it once in the manga/ anime , while Vegeta chose not to rely on the form's ability due to its potential weakness.
Based on these examples, the series seems to indicate that saiyans who train alot and are powerful enough to raise their ki to higher power levels that surpass the limits of a particular ssj level of power are very capable of achieving higher ssj forms, such as ssj 3, if they want to.
Yes because he had stronger transformations it doesn’t make sense that he wouldn’t use it against beerus
@@scottylikeamelody can you people just not wait until the series is over? He may say in literally the next episode that he doesn’t like the form and would only use it to quickly overpower someone (which he couldn’t do against beerus)
@@scottylikeamelodyhe was already told by king Kai that Goku got one shot in his ssj3 form, what would be the point in using the form. Them even say a fusion would do nothing vs beerus and a fusion is stronger than ssj3
@@ishowspeedplug2845ah yes so let’s use an inferior form in even shorter time span to cope with
@@ishowspeedplug2845 People say this when that just means Vegeta shouldn't have fought at all during BoG if the logic is "he knew SS3 Goku lost." there is literally no logical reason why he wouldn't use his strongest form if he knew this was his last bet even if he expected to fail, He literally kneels before Beerus and gives up in both the anime and the movie while only using a form thats four times weaker than SS3.
Pay attention to Vegeta and bulma’s relationship. I love how she is his biggest supporter and there is enough transparency that she knew about his ssj3 transformation. Excellent character dynamics!
I just imagine Balma and Vegeta laying in bed and having a discussion about their days. Vegeta like one day I finally hit that form of super Saiyan that Kakrot did.
I like how he tosses the dragon ball straight to her
W couple
He even gave the DragonBall to her after he won it
Wish chichi was like that with goku but we all know that relationship is one sided
Can definetly feel toriyama in this episode.
In every episode of Daima
@@pensandoemalgo.5722 ESPECIALLY THE COMEDY
Yawn WRONG
yeah, not based on fanbase whining ridiculous transformations and fusions fanart
@@BagzAndPresidentcool story bro
Now let’s just see him SSJ3 in his Adult form.
End of the world 🔥🔥🔥💥💥
Before gta 6 hopefully
I bet it's going to look much better in his adult form but honestly I'm happy he's got it
@@TheJK89 never
Unless it’s at the end of Damian, ssj3 has absolutely no value to goku and vegeta unless they can’t access god ki. All the god forms are just superior in every way, and ssj2 is the better fallback ssj form when they’re low on energy or stamina
Now that Vegeta knows SSJ3 ik for a fact we're gonna get an awesome battle with them both as SSJ3 fighting together and possibly a new fusion that also uses SSJ3 🔥
Some form of vegeto ssj3. And we will probably learn the senzu and potara are refined versions of these bugs lol
Ssj3 gogeta world go crazy
@@mikegregory4386 Korin does have pointy ears, so he could also be from the Demon World.
This episode was pure 🔥 I love how vegeta’s super saiyan 3 looks so different from goku’s and gotenks, jus wait till he’s added to sparking zero maaaaannnn that’s peak
gt kid goku base solos...
lol but ya its hype.
@@ssppeeaarrwell I mean, seeing as how GT goku has a base power level equivalent to EoZ SSJ3 goku, yeah probably. Not easily though. If he went ssj1 then yeah it's a wrap.
Its because he's a kid bro. That's all 😂
@ I know bro 🤣 but you gotta admit that it’s a unique look to it if it’s only how his SSJ3 looks
Honestly, Daima is refreshing from the constant God of Destruction and Angel forms. I like that its taking it back to a simpler time of just Super Saiyan grades. No God forms in sight. Loving it
Como si tuviera alternativa morro meco
ikr, pure Saiyan forms and classic styles
Lol agree we need a break from all these forms not that I’m against it but seeing stories like this is so refreshing
yep and the color script works better with the simpler form
22:43 Vegeta is Cobra Kai, Goku is Miyagi-do
YES!
I'm so proud of Vegeta
I know it is probably nothing, but does anybody else notice that the Krakens look like the Galactic King from Super?
That's not his hand youre shaking
Soon we're gonna find out the Galactic King race was originated from the demon world
Wait until Sunday to do the leaked thumb nail
Was just about to comment the same thing.
Great point! I couldn’t figure why it looked familiar
Supa Saiya-jin shree Bejita
She gave Duu the credit for solving the math problem not even she could solve. That is the assist Cuu was referring to
I cannot wait to see what a challenge Kuu and Duu represent when they fuse. Kuus brains and Duus brawn. They're like the exact opposite of a (hopefully SSJ3) Vegito fusion. Seeing that battle is gonna be peak, for sure.
Did I get mixed up?
@@gabrielleandreas7598 Both that and bringing the chocolate
To the people asking why Vegeta didn't go SS3 against Beerus... because Super was written BEFORE Daima and Toriyama still hadn't thought about giving Vegeta SS3.. is that so hard to understand?
They are asking why in the STORY.. obviously the amswer is because he hadn't made it yet. Just like how dragon ball z completely changed goku and piccolo's origins... Its just lame that they made plot holes
@randybobandy9828 Same answer
@_bruno.pereira literally. People over thinking it
@@randybobandy9828 if there has to be a reason then it is likely that Vegeta feels like Ssj2 is better suited. We all know Ssj3 has a heavy stamina drain. I'd say Ssj2 is likely still the most balanced and refined form of Ssj. Ssj3 is likely a "hyperdrive" form. Goku likes to sacrifice his body for temporary power ups like in Kaioken. We haven't seen Vegeta take this approach in anyway until Ultra Ego where the physical tax has a direct more effective pay off (getting constant power boost through damage received). So Vegeta likely doesn't like the strategy of short sustainability. He prefers a long term sustainable form, unless the payoff balances the drawback. Goku has the strategy to be confident that he can get the job done before the drawback and can heal afterwards.
@SkyeRedd910 not only that but Beerus is not the type to just let people do what they want, unless he's interested. Vegeta would know perfectly well that Beerus would just blast him.
Did you notice…
1: the spikes on the one Vegeta fought resembles the spikes on omega shenron?
2: Majin Kuu looks like nova shenron
3: the whole plot arc is very similar to GT (dragon balls turning them into kids forcing Goku to travel to another world).
solid observation this is definitely a reference to GT
Vegeta gets a W with this episode with SSJ3. The coolest thing about this transformation is that unlike Goku and Gotenks who awakened Super Saiyan 3 and they lose they first fight... Vegeta defeated Tamagami in both Hand-to-hand and intellectual combat.
Still wasn’t the main villain. He only beat the side quest. Doesn’t compare, with all due respect.
I’ll add that Goku grabbed Buu by the head and gave him paddle-ball punches.
He didn't really win intellectually. He made a guess at the last second
Uhhhhh I don't think Goku lost really lmao he was buying time
@@ThatDaftFellowwasn’t really a guess, he answered with reasoning.
Bruh Goku first fight as SS3 didn't lose, he only buy time for Trunks to get the radar, plus he cannot do it longer as the form take away his "living" time on earth during that point.
Goku got some serious plot armor since he never had to solve anything related to brain power
He did though. 😂
A machine NEVER turned Vegeta Ssj4, it turned him OOZARU. Vegeta transformed to Ssj4 ON HIS OWN.
Technically, no, he had no tail and going from how goku goes ssj4 a tail is the crucial element
I think it just required being rational while being a SSJ Oozaru in order to get SSJ4.
@@davidbowerman3089That makes no sense. It's still his own power. You're making excuses. Did you not watch the episode when Vegeta didn't let OoZaru take over his mind completely? He overcame it. Goku had help getting his tail but he still transformed on his own into SSJ4. If Vegeta didn't do it on his own then Goku didn't either. Stop being a Goku Fanboy.
@Carlos-J-Fajardo actually my favourite character, isn't goku.
The difference you FAIL to realise is that vegeta is in an adult form with no tail.. I'm not disagreeing with you about the power inside him, but it's the key observational difference between them both
Yes, goku got help pulling the tail out, which I never denied. But the tail was growing out of him before it got pulled
Vegeta got hit with concentrated blutz waves from the machine which is more than what goku got from a fake moon (earth on planet tuffle/vegeta)
@@davidbowerman3089What an ignorant thing to say. You're still showing bias from one character over another. Goku being exposed to a real moon and having his tail already when he needed it pulled is all the same. The machine was a faster way more efficient way. It's called technology. It was a smart play. Saying he had less help is ridiculous because that isn't the point. They both still had help in their own way. Again, if Vegeta didn't do it on his own neither did Goku. That's the end of that story. My point was proven. I don't give a damn if you are a Goku fan or not. Stick to the facts.
BEST EPISODE OF DAIMA YET!!!
LFG!!! SSJ3 VEGETA!!!
NAMASTE 🙏🏽 FROM BROOKLYN.
I agree, I was literally on my feet. Felt good.
Where Brooklyn at?! Where Brooklyn at?! New York stand up!
After returning to an adult, Vegeta can say SS3 is more useful for their kid bodies (since theres more a need for a strength boost, and something like..youthful energy better resists the demands on the body), and not as good for adult bodies.
I may be imagining this, but wasn’t this an explanation in dragon ball GT? Or was it the opposite ? I feel like in GT Goku either had an easier time because of his small body, or a harder time.
thats fair
@@Geekdom101what hahah that’s bullshit
@@chaoshonako9780 GT Goku SSJ3 was weakened because he had no tail. And because he was a kid.
Condering that they are nerfed in their kid state, I'm not sure that makes sense.
My thought exactly when I saw the bug scene again today. I prognosticate that we will get a SSJ3 Vegeto fusion.
🤝🏾📠📠📠📠📠
OK!
You actually see the kraken again at the very end of the episode as they are leaving in the ship just floating and chilling on the water in the background
After that either the Kraken knew not to mess with them or that explosion made him full😂😂
dat kraken at least ss4 level...it seems.
I MISSED THAT! THANK YOU!
Yeah it was cute how they added the Kraken at the end "chilling"
@@marvinjimenez4125 Kraken was nerved he just paddeled away like thadeus the Art style from toryjama is just fun
Didn’t see or hear this anywhere so here is an exclusive for the GEEKDOM Community.
If you go back to Ep. 1 of Diama. Look at Goku and Vegeta’s fight. It ends with a classic Beam Battle, when it explodes Goku comes from the smoke and catches Vegeta off Guard and Goku PUNCHES him, winning the match
Vegeta does this to the Tamagami.
He shoots his Galic Gun - The Tamagami eventually deflects it but gets caught off guard for Vegeta to lay a solid PUNCH!
Nice little nod there and how Vegeta also learns from Goku
I'll trust you on that, good catch
@@ActuallyEllrod SS1-SS2 Goku also did that against the Tamagami after he deflected the Kamehameha which means it's definitely something Goku does when the opportunity calls for it.
@@AMysticLegendyeah it's a non-fatal way to use the technique I wish they would have just destroyed the tamagamis
Damn, we got super Saiyan 3 Vegeta before GTA 6
Why I keep seeing this comment
@@jameshollister8294because you're on the internet
I knew kuu was gonna solve the problem 💯 they're definitely gonna fuse
Majin Count Duukuu!
They've been teasing how smart Kuu is the whole time. It was his idea to run off and buy Duu chocolate (both times), he's said various things that hint that his strength lies in brains as opposed to brawn. And, of course, he comes in with the clutch assist for the math problem and secures the victory. All while Dr Arinsu is just standing there dumbfounded, lol.
I’ve got a feeling that kuu is going to help goku and his folks. Seeing how he wasn’t recognized for his contribution in that scene when he brings it up. Just look at his expression
Actually, Kuu is not even evil. Pretty noble character (although has a very goofy appearance)
Duu has to be strong as hell considering he never seemed to take the fight serious with Tamagami 1
thats why i said last week hes STRONGER THAN YOU THINK!
@@Geekdom101 But having only some of Majin Buu's essence must make him weaker than Fat Buu no?
@@dani-ks9cgnot necessarily, fat buu is one of the weakest forms of buu
@@Mr1991bbk Majin Duu was made from the essence of the fat Buu
@dani-ks9cg which obviously had Pure Buu inside him. When absorbed, they're only inside and not fully fused. Pure Buu was weakened by absorbing the GS Kai. Therefore, Majin Duu could've been made with more Pure Buu than GS Kai. With the fact that Fat Buu isn't a fusion of Pure Buu and the GS Kai, it's actually more likely that Majin Duu is closer to Pure Buu than Fat Buu.
It seems to me like the Kraken is set up there to give the challenger of the DragonBall a disadvantage, which is kinda smart actually
Was thinking the same too bro when I watched once you peep the trident too
I thought when Vegeta raged out on Beerus someone said he had surpassed Goku SSJ3. Also when Trunks came back he faced Goku SSJ3. When he brought it to Vegeta when they fought. Vegeta never said he couldn’t do it. He was more like if you thought that was power then let me show you something else. Basically I always thought he could go SSJ3 but didn’t bc of the draw backs. It is nice to get it officially in the canon. Thanks for the gift Big Tori.
He went blue against trunks after trunks said are you going to do ssj3. Showing off a higher form that trunks couldn’t fathom
Vegeta not going ssj3 vs beerus is the same reason goku didnt use kaioken blue vs black and broly. The writers do NOT care. As long as the masses are getting a shiny sparkly form they make bank. No need for an intricate or interesting story.
Vegeta getting in Tamagami’s face was the best thing ever
Ehhh, I still think its a cope/retcon/inconsistently to say Vegeta wouldn't use SSJ3 against Beerus when EVERYTHING was potentially on the line, and Vegeta was more concerned and scared of Beerus then we've pretty much seen him of anyone besides maybe Frieza. Stamina wouldn't matter in that scenario when fighting an overwhelming opponent who you know could end you in seconds. Also, it's just nonsensical given the dialogue that everyone uses to say that Vegeta "surpassed Goku in that moment." Unless we're to believe that despite Vegeta having SSJ3, that Goku was significantly stronger than him anyways. Also, Vegetas notable shock when King Kai tells him Goku was defeated in just a few blows. I just don't think it makes much sense when you take Super into account. It's a light retcon or inconsistency, but it's still an inconsistency, regardless. Like the Potara/ KibitoKai problem between Daima and Super. (A much bigger inconsistency) That being said, by the time Vegeta is training with Whis, it's obvious Vegeta could have done SSJ3 if he felt like it. By that point, he has far surpassed the necessary power needed to do the form. This is more just an issue with Battle of Gods and early early Super.
That's facts. I'm loving Daima much more than DBs, but I can't just say Daima is retconing stuff and creating potholes.
We all knew that DBs Vegeta couldn't go ssj3, this episode happened and now ppl are acting like Vegeta had it all along. It's just cope.
@@illyricus.As long base form stronger than previous power up no need for transformation.
You clearly didn't understand what he explanation LMFAO
Also the whole thing about "Vegeta not using the lesser forms" is just false, he uses various forms of SSJ in the U6 vs 7 arc, Black Arc, ToP, Broly Movie, Moro Arc and the Granolah Arc, I don't see why people are trying so hard to justify the fact that the only reason Vegeta has it is because Toriyama wanted him to despite everything pointing to him not having it (especially prior to his God training)
@thatoneguy8604 respect the writer.
So no one is going to bring up the fact he was fighting with his feet lol
"And the Kraken just leaves, and we never see it again."
Uhhh yeah you do. lmao. homie is floating along while main cast gets back into ship. lolol
I find it funny and amusing that people never really considered Vegeta transforming into SSJ3 as a way to show off to Kakarot
The fact is that the lore of the Dragonball franchise is so convoluted and people to this day are still trying to make sense of it 😅
Not that I have an issue with him getting ssj3, but the argument that it doesn't fit his fighting style & thats why he doesn't use it against beerus is just silly lol. He saw his wife get slapped. He would've gone too his absolute strongest form to finish him off, not to have a prolonged battle. Its just something the writers don't give you an awnser for & it doesn't make sense
The answer is that nobody thought about Daima at that point in time. It just didn't exist.
My headcannon is that Vegeta just went beserk and didn’t really think about it in the moment
The reason is simple - they created a plot hole to satisfy Vegeta's fans
@@lolofashotho yeah but wouldn't it make more sense, especially if he's berserk, that he would go ssj3?
@@TheoOJamaloO1 thats my point, I don't think its the end of the world that the writers did this, but the defending of it is just silly lol
Lord Beerus said Vegeta surpassed SS3 Goku . While he was in his SS2 form. Technically Vegeta never needed it!!
@@CurtisDProductions Trunks fought at God levels at SS2 also. Even Goku skipped SS3 after using SS2 and went straight to God against Both Jiren and Caulifla + Kale
If the fight went longer,he would have gone ssj3
Thanks for not using the j. Why does everyone do that?
@@supers0nic77 SSJ is the Japanese version.
Super Saiyajin is what it's called in Sub
And Super Saiyan is what it's called in Dub
@AMysticLegend yeah i know but if you're not speaking Japanese you don't need the j
There is something that we have to acknowledge! Super Saiyan 3, it has never gotten a win no matter who used it. Goku could not beat Fat Buu, (he was thrashing about Fat Buu using Super Saiyan 3, but Goku was knocked out and did not see what happened in the fight between Fat Buu and Vegeta and even Majin Buu's regeneration, and even though he was a Spirit and could handle a little less energy drainage that a full mortal body, Majin Buu would likely outlast him with his stamina and regeneration if it came to that), Gotenks didn't beat Super Buu, and even got absorbed by Super Buu, and Super Saiyan 3 Goku did not beat Kid Buu, he was draining too much energy, and Kid Buu was going to outlast him, with his great stamina and regeneration, and even at the last scene with the Spirit Bomb Goku even acknowledges that the battle with Kid Buu was not a one on one fight, and Super Saiyan 3 Goku lost against Beerus. Vegeta is the only character who has gotten a win in Super Saiyan 3 in this fight against Tamagami 2!!
It beat Hirudegarn and Fat Janembaif we are counting alt Timelines
@hurricane7727 ok, yes to hirudigarn, he did not defeat janempa (fat janemba) he pushed back until it forced a transformation. And alternate timelines accepted..... movie goku in both those was way stronger than Canon timeline goku. But yes, absolutely true point you make.
@@hurricane7727non canon !😜
in the movies and GT it did win and massively ok. lol. non canon but idc it got wins...
dragonfist will always be the GOAT finisher for goku...
hopefully toyo will bring it into canon. someday.
@@davontawilliams3958 It is Canon. Toriyama himself never said the Movies didnt happen. He said they happened in a Different Timeline
Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta was EPIC! definitely the highlight 🔥🔥🔥🔥
28:40 probably Goku and Vegeta shared some memories due to their fusion.
Getting into AoT territory now lol
"Why didn't vegeta use ssj3 against beerus"
Lets go through this, So ssj3 seems to take longer to transform than ssj2, So really theres your answer, He was extremely mad so just transformed into the easiest form to channel his rage
I came to this same conclusion. If we are to assume that SS3 would take him just as long as it did in DAIMA, then we can assume he can’t tap into it on instincts alone. Bulma being slapped INSTANTLY triggered him to SS2.
Also what confuses me, is why master Roshi stated that Vegeta was event stronger than Goku ? It feels out of place after this reveal.
Goku went ssj3 immediately against kid buu and buutenks so that isn’t an excuse lmfao
@@extremelegendsupreme4596 they try save Toriyama so hard when he put all his in put in this show but it’s so many recons let it be GT LOL
@@extremelegendsupreme4596 yeah and got immediately KOd vegeta knows who beerus was and he knows that every transformation was useless he only got up because of bulma vegeta surrendered at beginning not like goku that got KOd in 2 sec
SS3 Vegeta fighting like Gogeta was pretty dope
@@coops074 vegito*
Vegito you mean!
Vegeta could have played Tamagami. His SSJ 3 was at its limit, but he kept his composure bluffed Tamagami and used his body language to signal his dominance.
I reckon the difference in SS3 would be less pronounced had they still been adults. Reason it gives off that Super Sonic vibe is because Classic Sonic was only like 3ft tall. The hair scaling with body size imo is actually really smart. I know Gotenks gets the droop but that's a fusion of two so you could theorize twice the hair? Fusions do some weird stuff with Gotenks with his purple patches as is in base form. I feel this redesign of 3 wouldn't suit Adult Vegeta too well. add more to the bottom and let it flair up i guess? Since naturally speaking Vegeta's hair is much higher standing than Goku's 3 tall spikes with lower hanging main spikes, Vegeta has one distinct spike up the rest of his hair follows on and they've represented that well with this SSJ3 form! I love it.
Except ssj3 gotenks has the fukl hair like goku.
@ I did say gotenks is a whole other mess and could certainly just be a product of its time. Not an accurate representation of a child ssj3. Why does he have purple in his base form? Trunks didn’t have purple hair either. Goten didn’t either, neither of them can even go ssj2 by themselves so a lot of the visual design is down to the fusion technique and not their individual strengths.
So I feel this ssj3 form of vegeta is actually paying attention to scale this time over style which is really the opposite of what they were going for when they designed gotenks. It was all style over form. No other reason for the purple in his base form or why he could just go ssj3 without ever achieving it or the lesser 2 form by themselves. There’s no logic besides they thought it looked cool. This time it seems they’ve paid close attention to how long hair would scale and sit on a child vegeta, there ain’t no way they paid attention with gotenks. He was basically a separate character in both power and design.
Great breakdown video Geekdom, when the moment happen I was like your sources were on FREAKING POINT! I never held the 2019 DBS come back thing against you. You explained yourself well and its understable plans can change. A lot of plans were changing in the world for everything going into 2020. Been watching your content since 2017 and even went back to a lot of your older vids before that year. You've been very accurate more times then not. It's why I often shout you out in my own DB content as one the most well researched/knowledgeable DB fans out there.
That said this moment was a long time coming for Vegeta fans, over 3 decades of waiting! It was definitely one of my top favorite Vegeta moments of ALL TIME!
Yes indeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed!
If we wan talk about a retcon, lets talk about how Piccolo told Neva he can't speak Namekian despite having a conversation in Namekian with Kami during the world martial arts tournament & also being merged with Nail who also spoke Namekian.
@@Juyen_3 Piccolo could be lying in an effort to keep Neva close.
@Rexiselan hmmm i hope that's the case since Piccolo noticed Neva likes to play "mind games" If not, I'd be highly upset if he can't speak Namekian.
Vegeta's awareness of SS3's drawback was probably why he changed up his entire fighting style to resemble Vegito's. He was probably conserving his energy to maximize how much time he'd have in the form before the energy drain became too taxing.
I have a hunch, that Dr Arinsu will be absorbed by majin Kuu when they’re tired of taking commands or not getting the recognition he wants (just a hunch)
@@Moofydakidd glorio is the third majin they will create a Mira
This is one of the few reasons that make Daima relevant: It answers unknown questions like did Vegeta ever use SSJ3? Now we know because of Daima. I can also appreciate the lore behind the shows episodes as well.
Vegeta spiked up Super Saiyan 3 looks like Sonic. And if Vegeta's Super Saiyan 3 looks like this, then what would Raditz Super Saiyan 3 look like?
@@buildaggedonarmanaziie4462 rapunzel 😂
Apparently the first concept of ssj 3 look like that but then changed
Bald, with a....MOUSTACHE!
I wish we got a dbs arc where raditz. Comes back. Idk i think it could be cool.
You missed the funniest scene in that episode, Vegeta going super saiyan while listening to the math problem
22:30 isn’t this similar to how Vegito fought in the BUU saga
Yep
Every time I hear Majin "Duu" I think of Bon Clay from One Piece prancing around saying, "Un, deux!" Lol
He mostly had to unlock ssj3 1.5 years, then learn how to maintain it after. 5 years in time chamber
It looked like Vegeta was popping in and out of SSJ2 whenever he attacked to conserve energy. Classic Vegeta.
Vegetad hand on Tamagami 2s shoulder is my favorite frame
I mean this is kind of self-explanatory considering where they are now in power levels, but what had me laughing hard was when Vegeta told Goku he's grown from eating bugs.
We see the Kraken just chilling at the end of the battle
Daima really has been droping banger after banger. And vegeta truly was showing off to Goku. And it was EPIC
Vegeta's SS3 form shown in Daima is correct for the Future telling of Ultra Ego Vegeta as he is utilizing a combination of SS3 mixed with Ultra Ego and God State making that Ultra Ego God or Destruction State and its always made sense for him to use SS3 mixed with Ultra Ego as it helps the Ego state also his hair is very similar then too... Eventually i think Vegeta will continue to keep utilizing the form and even perfecting a deeper form for SS3 and Ultra Ego in the future!
I think we’re good on ultra ego or anything related to DBS. For that matter. Let’s just call this a fresh start. Would be a shame for this series to lead into the disrespectful mess we call DBS.
Yes bro I'm very excited for the ue vegeta
@@courve lol/ i feel the pain but why would toriyama create a non canon not related to DBS series?? he did contribute heavily to dbs to anime and manga. then did his own movies for dbs. this kind of explains the enraged ss2 being so powerful vs beerus now too. if vege already had his ss3. and even those kakarott dbz game and its dlcs i think. which even has a post buu saga goku vs vegeta match. where now unsurprisingly ss2 vegeta can keep up with ss3 goku. it all kinda makes sense...
lol dont have to like it but it is what it is. vegeta is somewhat goku true equal now.
goku is number one hype is sadly only in dbz...
hopefully we see more of ss3 in the lore now for future dragonball content. even tho higher forms exist.
its always a nice throwback. to when saiyan power was hype of dragonball.
at least broly is canon now tho and can carry on that legacy.
@@ssppeeaarrbecause dbs is toei/toyataro now…. Daima is a continuation of the original DB manga
@@ssppeeaarr not sure I can agree. Daima has already contradicted DBS in a fundamental way just in the first episode. In Daima, Shin explains to Goku that the magic inside Buu’s body is the reason why fusion was undone. In the DBS anime, neither Shin nor Goku knew it was possible to de-fuse, and it was Gowasu that first explained it was even possible at all despite taking place after the time period of Daima. Further, in the DBS, manga, Shin and Kibito are restored by using the Namek dragon balls to de-fuse.
Idk about other people but I'm loving Daima so far and this episode was spectacular honestly. The way they paid homage to the OG ssj3 concept look and made Vegeta move like Vegito lol... This shit was FIRE BRO!!! It's also a breathe of fresh air to bring it back to the days where ssj was exciting to see, and then of course ssj3 just breaks the scene when we see it.
But don't sleep on Majin Duu, my boi straight BLASTED that tamagami 🤣 and he really shows a lot of potential to absorb kuu and become a force to be reckoned with...
I thought that Vegeta being eaten by the Kraken and being shown the teeth and all of that was a reference to Dragon Ball GT when Goku was in the mouth of that giant who had the Dragon Ball imbedded into his tooth.
Daima is what GT should have been.
@@Spectator247 gt needed to exist in order for them (Akira/ toei) to know what not to do. Glad to see they aren't making the same mistakes.
@@viciousbattousai4109 Very good point!
Crazy how Vegeta took this long! Raditz had this form from the very beginning lol!
His space pod in the background full of empty cans of black hair dye, lol.
My guy another great video I never thought I'd watch a play by play of some shit I watched but I love it keep em coming bro👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🤜🏿💪🏿
i have fun with the play by plays - kinda like sports
I just wish Vegeta was an adult…
I'm sure they will get their wish soon, but because of transformations they probably made them a kid again so they didn't have to introduce a new one in between buu and super. It's looking like they are going to get wished back soon and will have to fight either gomah or the majins
Go watch dragon ball super
I bet he can't even do it as an adult.
Unlikely he uses it as it's extremely taxing esp on the adult body. In super he cast it aside so I see no reason for him to use it again
@@trshaffa744i can’t say I wish he was an adult 🙄
Thanks!
This episode was friggin nerd!! 36 year old me grinning ear to ear!
@@killabstorm9361 me as well bother it was awesome!!!
Same here mate and I'm 35
@@killabstorm9361 I’m 36 so I’m guessing you guys came home after school in the 90s and were anxious to hear…. “Last Time on DRAGON BALL Z!” 😱😱😱
@@DexterzLaab absolutely!
For any of us who still have a problem with Prince’s SS3 transformation not being displayed in DBS:
1. The SS3 mutation is ONLY beneficial when you need a powerful boost to finish your opp. quickly. The fight with T2 in Daima demonstrates just how judicial Vegeta is at using this form. He normally has no qualms about using trusted transformations for more power when he feels threatened whereas Son prefers to paint himself into a corner before upping the ante. The fact that Prince chose to wade the fight out as long as possible using SS & SS2 before bringing the fight to its conclusion (SS3), speaks volumes.
Some alternatives that apply outside of this rule of thumb using SS3 are fusion and fighting in “other world,” halo style 😇.
2. Prince was informed by King Kai that Beerus gave Son a mean L while he was in SS3. We know he carries disdain for any forms that have major drawbacks in high level combat (ex.Cell Saga intentionally didn’t use Grade 3) so why would he use SS3 to probe a fight with a God that already KO’d Kakarot with a 2 piece? It’s just not smart.
3. Speculation Time: I don’t think Prince trusts the SS3 form the way Son does. In DBS, I’m not sure he even likes using SS2 because much of the time, its a bit difficult to discern, but I think if he’s not using Blue he’s trying to push his SS form beyond its limits. I think Vegeta believes that the SS form is still best for combat and holds a more powerful transformation outside of the mutations when he’s not dripped out in God Ki.
4. Which brings me to the Rage boosts. Both Trunks and Vegeta experience mysterious and very potent augmentations from the SS state when they tap into an extreme rage. The transformations they undergo bypass the SS mutations completely. It’s almost as if their SS state instinctively evolves to be able to at least give them a true fighting chance.
Prince goes from being no match for Beerus in his chill state to throwing hands and sparring with the destroyer god. This is especially more true of Trunks as he couldn’t even tap into the SS3 mutation. However, he goes from getting rag dolled by Black and Zamasu in his SS2 state and now we see his SS state cloaking itself in divine ki: almost like it INSTINCTIVELY EVOLVED b/c he was exposed to his dads blue state.
Small mistake at the end of the video saying july 3rd instead of january 3rd
Thank you for breaking this all down Geekdom very insightful information. I enjoyed this episode of Daima definitely one of the bests so far.
July 3rd? 29:54
I'm sure Geekdom will have some excuse that this flub wasn't his fault.
Just because a lot of people never seen Vegeta use instant transmission doesn’t mean he can’t which he has in the manga!
Don’t get why there was sooooo much whining about spoilers on the last video. Bruh… every channel had Vegeta SSJ3 thumbnails and or in the title of the video. The thumbnail is what made me go back and watch Daima after pausing. Good grief.
Thank you someone had to say it
Edit; not tryna glaze but I feel like it’s cuz geekdoms channel holds more weight ngl
Lol, I agree...people acting like this is a new thing, even with Geekdom. Going online or to social media when you're not wanting to be spoiled is a bad idea, dontchano
Definitely right but those videos weren't uploaded one minute after the actual episode dropped so at least people had the chance to view the episode...what geekdom101 did was outright insensitive
Because fans want to attack those they feel they can attack.
@@amitsg1004 the thumbnail to the episode on Hulu was also ssj3 Vegeta to be fair so even they spoiled it without having to watch it
I think what really made this episode special was finally seeing vegeta be dominant, fans have waited our whole dbz lives for this
Dude so he dont turn ssj3 vs Berus cuz its drain energy but he do it for tamagami 😅😅 fe fight Berus not even a minute after that rage, thats a plot hole and you cant defend that one
Also Son Goku was in ssj3 for few eps, there was no ssj3 Vegeta before thats all
@@Szatan_Wątróbkacorrect. Toriyama simply decided to give vegeta ssj3 in daima and that’s it.
Guess what ? he got it now and it's cannon
@@michaelmclean5803 i didnt say he dont have it
That’s not a plot hole. A plot hole goes against the logic of the story and presents an inconsistency. Vegeta not turning ssj3 against beerus doesn’t go against the logic of the story at all because it relied on the choice of the character. Vegeta was in a fit of rage and simply powered up.
Remember in GT how kid Vegeta had a badass fight and went SSJ3 to get a clean, decisive win? And remember all the deep new lore that answered so many questions and left us wanting more?
What ? GT kid vegeta ? Da fuck u talking about dawg
What ?
Very very very dumb question ik but how exactly does vegeta have ss3 when in super it seemed as if he couldn’t and super takes place years later
Watch the video.
@@AarturoScI commented before lol
W video @geekdom101 👍🏾 I’m glad you explained and break everything down I didn’t seen other sensai work but he’s more like a comedy writer
Am I crazy or is the supreme kai skin color different i thought it was purple but it looks pink in this maybe its the lighting
So what happens if one is strong enough to beat the tamagami but can't solve the puzzle... If they are strong enough, what's the stop someone from just taking the ball by force and forsaking the second part of testing?
Why do you reiterate your self for credibility. makes you look desperate
Always a great time when You upload GEEKDOM! Thanks ❤❤❤❤
No one talks about the biggest plothole is that Vegeta went SSJ3 and Goku was alive and didnt sense it.
Explain that 😂
He might have been in the time chamber
@@ThatBoyBentbut it's stated in DBS he doesn't know how to use the form??
@@Masterbehaterno it wasn't ever stated.
@viciousbattousai4109 it was a few times...
@@Masterbehaterit would depend on whether it’s stated in the manga or the anime. The two are different enough to be 2 separate continuities and Daima is likely made in line with the super manga since it’s the one that’s currently ahead and continuing the story.
Absolutely. Vegeta's SS3 was fire. At first I didn't realize he had gone SS2 when he came out of the squid creature but he pulled it off. And I also like the mental challenges in Daima. It was a different twist to DBZ.
Dragon Ball fans overthink things. Most of super wasn't even written by Toriyama and he likely did not even remember or care about the events of BoG.
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Why didn't vegita turn ssj3 while fighting beerus if daima is cannon🤷♂️
Ssj 3 is power focused and energy drainer. Vegeta knew Bill's was out classing him in every other Stat too. It was not going to give him the upper hand (of course I know this is a retconned explanation, but it doesn't break Canon, it's just characterization) . Remember how Vegeta felt towards Bills. And the power of his ssj3 could have been felt through the punch he gave bills while enraged. It literally can be explained in many ways, and remain canon
The writing sucks. Plain and simple.
When will everyone stop asking this stupid question? Jesus it doesn't matter lol
@@winsbeyond8295It has since super started. Nothing new here
@@derekosgood3230is it safe to say both Daima and super are written badly
it may be less draining in the smaller body considering how calm he was while fighting in ss3. also he probably never went back to it because his fully mastered super saiyan form was stronger and more efficient in super.
Super Saiyan 3 Vegeta just destroyed the cannon DBS timeline. Vegeta didn't use SS3 against Beerus. I wonder how this new timeline of Dragon Ball Daima will affect DBS.
Good point. Really disappointed they keep ruining canon with all of these new things. Oh well.
Watch the video
I think what they are going to allude to is that Vegeta decides to perfect the SS2 form to the point where it matches SS3.
Agreed mate, a lot of people are overlooking this.. such a plot hole.
There is no canon destroyed. It would be destroyed if they said he COULDN'T use it against Beerus. It doesn't matter that he didn't. They never said he couldn't do it. So ultimately, him not using it doesn't matter. You can feel that it doesn't make sense in your opinion, but no, it is not canon breaking. Stop over thinking it. It's not that deep. Dragon Ball fans are always doing this lol
love the videos man!
Ok so Daima has been awesome. And I've loved every second of it... until this Vegeta SSJ3 bullshit. This was clearly fan service and just to say they got to use the original SSJ3 design. This breaks cannon in Super when Vegeta had his "MY BULMA" moment against Beerus. Why didn't he turn SSJ3 then? Right, because he couldn't, and he was never suppossed to. Such a lame decision to bring this in now. Wtf
What I'm getting from this is that you're upset because this confirms that Daima doesn't connect to Super and exists in a different timeline, just like all the other series-GT, Super, and the original manga. Let's be clear: Super was nothing but a disappointing fan service show.
@@AdrianD_52 I can agree to that. The SSJ transformations were a joke in Super after SSJG and SSJB got introduced. Still, in my opinion, it feels so inconsistent to have all these made up "timelines" just to keep juicing the DB franchise, because it keeps inserting more and more cannon breaks and inconsistencies. Order matters, at least to me. And this just invalidates previous products we got before and thought were the most legitimate. The more stuff like this keeps coming, although awesome, it keeps breaking things just for fan service and looses legitimacy in my eyes. Everything was going well until Ep.12, lets see what happens next.
Exactly, and they didn't even create a normal ssj3 but a weird one with the hair upwards
It doesn't break canon at all.
SSJ3 is a flawed form. It gives a sudden power boost at base, but quickly deteriorates. More importantly, it takes time and focus to get into.
The "My Bulma" scene tapped into something we've seen time and time again. SSJ 2 + rage is MUCH more powerful base SSJ 2, and even has had feats that surpass base SSJ 3. We seen this with teen Gohan when from peak strength and toying with Cell, to being more "rational" and losing some of the strength. Cell even called it out and intentionally was trying to piss him off to make him peak again. We seen it again during Battle of the Gods when SSJ 3 Goku (no rage) was literally flicked away effortlessly, and a rage-boosted SSJ 2 Vegeta landed multiple blows.
@@AdrianD_52I haven’t even watched this but this is in a different timeline again? Seriously they just throw whatever to please you guys at this point 😂
In the goku black saga when future trunks was comparing power levels. Trunks ask vegeta to turn ssj3 like goku vegeta said he can’t.
I gotta ask you question.Why are you making promotion super saiyan 3 kid vegeta selling t-shirt on shop online 0:37? Like bro. You don't own all this dragon ball selling t-shirt on shop online! That's complete unnecessary. Nobody care about super saiyan 3 kid vegeta! Please taking these website T-shirt shop online down about super saiyan 3 kid vegeta due toei company and shueisha they're going to after you right now. Thank you so much loser❤!
@@HenryBrown-ro7lk what is wrong with you leave him alone and do something constructive with your time maybe not insult people for their merch and considering his success he’s not a loser at all I sense a lot of jealousy and pettiness oozing out of your post do better
@Jonathon_woods and I'm don't care. He is selling on merchandise that is unnecessary for leaked super saiyan three kid vegeta shirts on shop online. He doesn't own a dragon ball type shirt stuff. Belong to shueisha and toei. You can get mad at me all you want. But I don't care!
@@Jonathon_woodsever here of infringing on someones ip? He doesn’t own dragon ball to be doing this and he’s not licensed by them.
@@ottomontero1798 exactly.
@@ottomontero1798 @ 1: he’s not doing anything new and he has never gotten In trouble like that. 2: the fact you insult by calling him a loser shows you don’t like him and hope he gets in trouble. 3: only a real loser wishes for the downfall of others treat people better don’t be a actual loser by insulting others.
Perfect analysis! 👍🏻 Great video! 👍🏻 I love this episode. ❤
11:40 Bro nobody cared about getting the chocolate lol, his "assist" referring to helping with the math numbers. She didnt recognize he gave answer to Duu
No one mentioning how Vegeta catching Tama was like how he caught Semi-Perfect Cell when he fought as Super Vegeta
Also, if you are filled with rage, you are not thinking, you don't pause and say "I should use this form for this fight"