The fact that it shoots one frame at a time makes me interested in buying one. I have been trying to get a quality transfer for years, and that's the key.
Awesome video. Was rummaging thru my parents drawers and cupboards last night and came across at least 30 8mm film reels. My dad always had a cine camera when we went on holiday. The reels are all packed in metal and plastic tins and date back to before I was born. In fact some go back to 1953. There are also hundreds of negatives on film and glass to go thru. He was the founder of the Malta Cine Circle here in Malta , Europe. Looks like I got myself a new hobby. 🙂
I was just tasked with converting a bunch of old film reels we found at my grandparents that we've never seen. Just ordered the machine to do the conversion to digital and I can't wait to bring these old family memories back.
It's a little bit jerky, which you would expect, of course, but I bet you could take that resulting video file and run it through an image stabilizer software that would output a perfect smooth, centered finished product. I know that software exits out there and you can probably even get that done now with off-the-shelf video editing software on your PC.
That's a great tip, Richard. I realized that it was in reverse while watching the digital video. The good thing is that it's simple to reverse the video once it's digital.
@@petervonpanda Glad you realised. But it does mean you also lost the last few seconds of the film (and put fingerprints on it!). Only ever handle film by the edges!
Thanks for this, Peter! I learned lots from you in this video. Perhaps you'll allow me to return the favour by offering up some old-timer experience. You said you don't know the difference between 8 mm (often called "Regular 8") and Super 8 mm film. There are several differences, but the most significant is the sprocket size. Both films are 8 mm wide, but Super 8 has smaller sprockets, which leaves more room for a larger image. When you say: > "receiving wheel", you mean take-up reel or take-up spool. (The reel with the film is the supply reel.) > "reel hole", you mean spindle hole. (Regular 8 and Super 8 use different spindle sizes.) > "On physical film, there isn't that much video", you mean there isn't much run-time. Oh physical film there is no video at all. Film and video are distinct media, not interchangeable. I always chuckle when someone says they "filmed" something on their phone. The expression, "film at 11" refers to the time needed to develop film, so footage for breaking news was often not ready until the evening newscast at 11pm. A foreign concept to everyone who has grown up with video only. Nobody sends away their phone for developing. As for run-time, at 18 fps, a standard 50-foot film spool would run about 3.5 minutes; at 24 frames, about 2.6 minutes. In the mid-1980s, as video cameras were shifting from VHS to 8mm tape, a blank 60-minute tape would cost about $10. 8mm film was on the way out, costing about $20 per (silent) 50-foot reel, including developing (typically about a week). > "20 or 30 frames per second", you mean 18 or 24 frames per second. Most 8mm film cameras shot 18 fps. Some higher-end Super 8 cameras could also shoot 24 frames, especially those that had sound capability. Some cameras could shoot 48 fps to create slow motion, but they tended to be more about the special effects and less about quality (of the lens, for example). Standard NTSC video runs at 30 fps. If it's interlaced, each frame comprises two fields (an odd and even). Because film and video use different frame speeds, trying to videotape a film that's projected on a screen always creates a line across the image. > "cell-by-cell", you mean frame-by-frame. > "really thick film", you mean film leader. Keep up the great work; I'll be searching out more of it.
Love Wolverine Couple of problems some film too thick , pressure plate does not allow frame to advance. Place a piece of business card as spacer and runs well. Sometimes supply spool too loose : place a card dragging on top of reel to prevent excess supply Overall excellent, have scanned aroun 5000 feet so far both 8 and Super 8 Wish there were some way to scan well Sound Super 8 , cannot use Wolverine sound strips too thick and pressure plate wears off sound track
I really like your demo, just an FYI your film was in wrong, the white strip is the leader and what you are supposed to wrap in the take up reel so you don't damage the film and so you get every frame.
Yes, that would explain it: it must have been on the reel backwards, with the leader at the end. That would explain why the lettering on the boats was reversed. (Though I'd have expected the video to be running backwards too!)
Hi, I'm not sure if anyone here can help me. I've been using one of these to convert some old films, and some convert lovely while some constantly jam up and get stuck? I've tried to unwind and rewind the tapes incase they're too tightly wound I've also tried to go into an empty box instead of onto an empty reel. Any ideas I'd be very grateful 🙏
Thanx for the video. I nearly bought one of these a couple of years ago but didn't because it didn't take 7" reals only 5" max. Got them do professionally instead.
Hello Peter, what was that white bar in the middle right of the film? Is this something that happens with the wolverine system or perhaps you made a mistake?
why does the film always start out rough… it jumps and makes a double click noice instead of the well running single click… you can see it is clicking when the picture is only half in the frame. after a minute or 2 it runs normally.
What happens s on the SD Card? Are the individual frames re orded? Qnd then need assembling into the video clip? Or does Wolverine combine all the photographed frames into the video clip automatically?
The Wolverine - and others similar - _only_ creates a video file. (With the wrong speed, though that's easily fixed.) Unfortunately with too high a compression setting for some people. The most-requested feature would be to store the individual frames, or at least the option to use no compression, but the makers seem to be turning a deaf ear to that one.
@@randyclark1526 Some 8mm did have audio - usually run at 24 FPS, and on a magnetic stripe on the film (which another poster here says the Wolverine guide scratches off).
Fantastic video, great job explaining and teaching! I would love to get one, but it's a little too expensive for my meager social security income. ; ) I think I'll be looking for one I can afford. Still loved it though, thank you for sharing it!
I have like a dozen super 8 mm medium sized reels. Uhh..less than 12 transfers of reels and I won't even need it again and spent over 300 for that editing machine
@@ginagallo5992 No it doesn't. It's a frame by frame scanner. 2fps I understand. I've seen a guy on YT using a scanner to scan frame by frame sound Super8 . He captured the audio separately from a projector, creating a digital audio file from the headphone/ audio out . He synced the audio and the scanned film/digitised video . However it's tricky to synch, and you need the right software.
IT IS A GREAT TOOL. HOWEVER AS YOU SAID YOU WERE UNFAMILIAR WITH OLD TIME MOVIE MAKING. ON YOUR SCREEN THERE WAS A WHITE SPOT ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN. ITS BECAUSE YOU PUT WRONG SETTING - 8 MM FILM FRAME HAS SMALLER AREA WITH REGULAR PERFORATIONS (PUNCHES) AND 8 MM SUPER FILM FRAME HAS LARGER AREA WITH SMALLER PERFORATIONS. PUT CORRECT SETTING AND YOU WILL HAVE FULL SCREEN FRAMES.
And also your film was on backwards. The leader (white) should have been in the beginning. You lost a lot of frames. Whoever wound that film did it backwards.
In theory: you could get a stop action film projector to shoot one frame at a time and aim it at an image made by your digital 'projection' and then you would have on film all the frames you would need. (maybe shoot 24 frames for each second of your final film)
@@petervonpanda Which software did you use? Does this unit record at 30fps and need the speed reducing through software to 16fps, like others I have seen?
Kodak made the Ektasound line of Super8 sound cameras and sound projectors in the 1970's for the consumer market. I'm not aware of any others who did so, although there may have been others. What I am sure of is that not that many people owned them. For that reason, I would say that most of the home movies shot with 8mm or Super8 film that you come across today would be silent.
I’d a say lot computers/laptops don’t have SD card slots these days so your best to buy USB-A to SD-Card Dongle/Adapter. Then follow Chuzzle instructions 🙂👍🏼
Nice Peter. There used to be concerns that extremely old film should converted - not joking - wearing a mask. In fact decades ago, there were even claims breathing old film stock was "incredibly dangerous," LOL. I don't believe it is.
That's _very_ old film (1920s and before, I think) - on a nitrate base. More of concern was that it was extremely flammable! "Safety film" was pretty universal well before the 8mm formats came along, though. Allegedly, the nitrate base gave a lovely lustre though ...
The fact that it shoots one frame at a time makes me interested in buying one. I have been trying to get a quality transfer for years, and that's the key.
Awesome video. Was rummaging thru my parents drawers and cupboards last night and came across at least 30 8mm film reels. My dad always had a cine camera when we went on holiday. The reels are all packed in metal and plastic tins and date back to before I was born. In fact some go back to 1953. There are also hundreds of negatives on film and glass to go thru. He was the founder of the Malta Cine Circle here in Malta , Europe. Looks like I got myself a new hobby. 🙂
I was just tasked with converting a bunch of old film reels we found at my grandparents that we've never seen. Just ordered the machine to do the conversion to digital and I can't wait to bring these old family memories back.
How’d it go??
It's a little bit jerky, which you would expect, of course, but I bet you could take that resulting video file and run it through an image stabilizer software that would output a perfect smooth, centered finished product. I know that software exits out there and you can probably even get that done now with off-the-shelf video editing software on your PC.
Just saw this video on a facebook group...over 20,000 views on that cinefile group...love it!
Really? That's so cool, Nunzio!
The reel that you demonstrated needed to be rewound before you started. The white leader is at the start of a reel.
That's a great tip, Richard. I realized that it was in reverse while watching the digital video. The good thing is that it's simple to reverse the video once it's digital.
@@petervonpanda Glad you realised. But it does mean you also lost the last few seconds of the film (and put fingerprints on it!). Only ever handle film by the edges!
true, but you missed a bunch of frames in the beginning.good job though
@@petervonpanda
Im new to converting film and this helped a ton! No other video mentions the little white strips the film needs to be pinched under
And do it on the leader or wear gloves - otherwise you're putting great fingerprints on the film!
Thanks for this, Peter! I learned lots from you in this video. Perhaps you'll allow me to return the favour by offering up some old-timer experience.
You said you don't know the difference between 8 mm (often called "Regular 8") and Super 8 mm film. There are several differences, but the most significant is the sprocket size. Both films are 8 mm wide, but Super 8 has smaller sprockets, which leaves more room for a larger image.
When you say:
> "receiving wheel", you mean take-up reel or take-up spool. (The reel with the film is the supply reel.)
> "reel hole", you mean spindle hole. (Regular 8 and Super 8 use different spindle sizes.)
> "On physical film, there isn't that much video", you mean there isn't much run-time. Oh physical film there is no video at all. Film and video are distinct media, not interchangeable. I always chuckle when someone says they "filmed" something on their phone. The expression, "film at 11" refers to the time needed to develop film, so footage for breaking news was often not ready until the evening newscast at 11pm. A foreign concept to everyone who has grown up with video only. Nobody sends away their phone for developing. As for run-time, at 18 fps, a standard 50-foot film spool would run about 3.5 minutes; at 24 frames, about 2.6 minutes. In the mid-1980s, as video cameras were shifting from VHS to 8mm tape, a blank 60-minute tape would cost about $10. 8mm film was on the way out, costing about $20 per (silent) 50-foot reel, including developing (typically about a week).
> "20 or 30 frames per second", you mean 18 or 24 frames per second. Most 8mm film cameras shot 18 fps. Some higher-end Super 8 cameras could also shoot 24 frames, especially those that had sound capability. Some cameras could shoot 48 fps to create slow motion, but they tended to be more about the special effects and less about quality (of the lens, for example). Standard NTSC video runs at 30 fps. If it's interlaced, each frame comprises two fields (an odd and even). Because film and video use different frame speeds, trying to videotape a film that's projected on a screen always creates a line across the image.
> "cell-by-cell", you mean frame-by-frame.
> "really thick film", you mean film leader.
Keep up the great work; I'll be searching out more of it.
Standard 8 (I think US calls it "regular 8") 16 frames per second; super 8 18, or 24 if sound film.
Great demonstration. I have a mix of 30 8mm family film reels and this product looks like it would be great to have to convert the film at home!
What about the opposite ? Is it possible to go from digital to film instead ?
can you convert to a analog videocassette tape format?
I don’t have sound, how do I get the sound to work?
Love Wolverine Couple of problems some film too thick , pressure plate does not allow frame to advance. Place a piece of business card as spacer and runs well.
Sometimes supply spool too loose : place a card dragging on top of reel to prevent excess supply
Overall excellent, have scanned aroun 5000 feet so far both 8 and Super 8
Wish there were some way to scan well Sound Super 8 , cannot use Wolverine sound strips too thick and pressure plate wears off sound track
How do I get from the HD disc to a file on my computer (PC)?
I really like your demo, just an FYI your film was in wrong, the white strip is the leader and what you are supposed to wrap in the take up reel so you don't damage the film and so you get every frame.
Yes, that would explain it: it must have been on the reel backwards, with the leader at the end. That would explain why the lettering on the boats was reversed. (Though I'd have expected the video to be running backwards too!)
Hi, I'm not sure if anyone here can help me. I've been using one of these to convert some old films, and some convert lovely while some constantly jam up and get stuck? I've tried to unwind and rewind the tapes incase they're too tightly wound I've also tried to go into an empty box instead of onto an empty reel. Any ideas I'd be very grateful 🙏
Thanx for the video. I nearly bought one of these a couple of years ago but didn't because it didn't take 7" reals only 5" max. Got them do professionally instead.
What is the white mark on the right of the screen ☹️
Digital datas, scanned frame by frame, need any special software? Post process after scanning is required? Or just window media player is ok?
I have not done any post processing, although I have some software to upscale video, which I'm planning on reviewing soon!
Hello Peter, what was that white bar in the middle right of the film? Is this something that happens with the wolverine system or perhaps you made a mistake?
I have super 8 sound movie film ..any audio ??
why does the film always start out rough… it jumps and makes a double click noice instead of the well running single click… you can see it is clicking when the picture is only half in the frame. after a minute or 2 it runs normally.
You have to slide the film under the lid that reads "open" with the arrow
Hey im wondering if you can do the reverse of this?
Interesting... Thanks... It looks like the resolution pixels are quite compressed...?
Liked!
helo how are you? and the sound? if I have film with sound track?
What about Super8 movies that have sound ?
That machine doesn’t do sound at all.
Someone could informa the specs of power suply? I losted my. Thank you.
What happens s on the SD Card?
Are the individual frames re orded?
Qnd then need assembling into the video clip?
Or
does Wolverine combine all the photographed frames into the video clip automatically?
The Wolverine - and others similar - _only_ creates a video file. (With the wrong speed, though that's easily fixed.) Unfortunately with too high a compression setting for some people. The most-requested feature would be to store the individual frames, or at least the option to use no compression, but the makers seem to be turning a deaf ear to that one.
Thanks for the review. Do you know if there are any 8mm/Super8 digital converters that also records AUDIO? I can't seem to find any. thanks
The original film did not record audio, so it's unnecessary.
@@randyclark1526 Some 8mm did have audio - usually run at 24 FPS, and on a magnetic stripe on the film (which another poster here says the Wolverine guide scratches off).
Does it also convert the sound, if there’s any?
That machine doesn’t do sound at all.
Was is the difference between the Wolverine 8 and the Wolverine PRO? Thanks
There are two enhancements - not sure if the pro has both: 1. a swing-out arm so you can use bigger reels (7"); 2. scanning at 1080p rather than 720p.
Fantastic video, great job explaining and teaching! I would love to get one, but it's a little too expensive for my meager social security income. ; ) I think I'll be looking for one I can afford. Still loved it though, thank you for sharing it!
Anyone know if there's one of these that does 16mm film?
Onde eu consigo comprar esse conversor?
I have like a dozen super 8 mm medium sized reels. Uhh..less than 12 transfers of reels and I won't even need it again and spent over 300 for that editing machine
Can you covert it from digital to film?
Why would you want to? (But no, the Wolverine - and similar - can't record onto film.)
Awesome video, thank you
So does it convert the sound? Was your original a silent film clip? Thank u
I’m not sure how they recorded audio but the film I had didn’t have audio capabilities. Just the video. Hope that helps!
Ahhh, thanks a lot for the reply,
@@ginagallo5992 No it doesn't. It's a frame by frame scanner. 2fps I understand. I've seen a guy on YT using a scanner to scan frame by frame sound Super8 . He captured the audio separately from a projector, creating a digital audio file from the headphone/ audio out . He synced the audio and the scanned film/digitised video . However it's tricky to synch, and you need the right software.
IT IS A GREAT TOOL. HOWEVER AS YOU SAID YOU WERE UNFAMILIAR WITH OLD TIME MOVIE MAKING. ON YOUR SCREEN THERE WAS A WHITE SPOT ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE SCREEN. ITS BECAUSE YOU PUT WRONG SETTING - 8 MM FILM FRAME HAS SMALLER AREA WITH REGULAR PERFORATIONS (PUNCHES) AND 8 MM SUPER FILM FRAME HAS LARGER AREA WITH SMALLER PERFORATIONS. PUT CORRECT SETTING AND YOU WILL HAVE FULL SCREEN FRAMES.
And also your film was on backwards. The leader (white) should have been in the beginning. You lost a lot of frames. Whoever wound that film did it backwards.
Is there anyway to convert digital to 8mm? I'm new to all of this. Basically, I want to purchase an old school projector for a Halloween project.
In theory: you could get a stop action film projector to shoot one frame at a time and aim it at an image made by your digital 'projection' and then you would have on film all the frames you would need. (maybe shoot 24 frames for each second of your final film)
Surely the white piece of film (the take up reel) should be at the start. Haven't you just recorded this reel backwards?
You have a good eye, David! I DID record it backwards and then reverse it digitally which was easy, so going digital helped there too!
@@petervonpanda Which software did you use? Does this unit record at 30fps and need the speed reducing through software to 16fps, like others I have seen?
Wdym at the start
Does 8mm/super 8mm normally have sound?
I'm not sure if they normally do, but none of the film I had had any sound.
it can. You will see a little magnetic strip under the pictures
Kodak made the Ektasound line of Super8 sound cameras and sound projectors in the 1970's for the consumer market. I'm not aware of any others who did so, although there may have been others. What I am sure of is that not that many people owned them. For that reason, I would say that most of the home movies shot with 8mm or Super8 film that you come across today would be silent.
@@VicsGarage71 Interesting - I didn't know it was magnetic. Now I want to find some.
May I ask how can I transfer the digitized film into the computer🤭
I’d a say lot computers/laptops don’t have SD card slots these days so your best to buy USB-A to SD-Card Dongle/Adapter. Then follow Chuzzle instructions 🙂👍🏼
Nice Peter. There used to be concerns that extremely old film should converted - not joking - wearing a mask. In fact decades ago, there were even claims breathing old film stock was "incredibly dangerous," LOL. I don't believe it is.
That's _very_ old film (1920s and before, I think) - on a nitrate base. More of concern was that it was extremely flammable! "Safety film" was pretty universal well before the 8mm formats came along, though.
Allegedly, the nitrate base gave a lovely lustre though ...
Thank you!
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Excellent, helpfull review!!
Thank you Sir
why dont you undo the tape of the bubble wrap ? Instead of ripping it ?
300 bucks for that thing no way
Once it be on the market a while it will be cheaper
@@TheJazzyRedTalkShow go with ebay then resell
and also the video quality seems to be piss poor on that thing.
@@eysank no good
Oke
It’s called a take-up reel.
Indeed - and should be at the start of the film. I was expecting the resultant recording to be in reverse?
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