[TF2] Set Synergy: Offence Classes

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  • Опубліковано 16 тра 2022
  • Some guy starts slouching and slothing before he comes to the startling sensation that people need to see his stuff, hence a "short" subject talking about the item sets and their synergies, is it good? is it bad? does it need fixing?
    Fun Fact: My recording program failed me 3 times causing me to restart the entire video and the little editing progress I made 3 times over, on a project I would have considered small but here we are... 3 weeks later... you'll have to excuse the minor editing and any issues, I have the patience of a saint but that saint is Bonaventure.
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  • @elchipplushproductions9340
    @elchipplushproductions9340 Рік тому +121

    bro
    "the liberty launcher is like being punched by a baby, the black box is like punching a baby"
    favorite line of my 12 years of my life

  • @stitchfinger7678
    @stitchfinger7678 Рік тому +363

    The alliteration was real impressive
    Gotta appreciate when someone makes life way harder just for production value.

    • @moistmarsupial3528
      @moistmarsupial3528 Рік тому +25

      I find it kind of distracting tbh. The joke has been done before by array and frankly it doesn't add anything to what would otherwise be a pretty interesting and informative video

    • @falloutguy4700
      @falloutguy4700 Рік тому +8

      @@moistmarsupial3528 Agreed, I started skipping them after a bit, even if it was just a few seconds. It's cute, but doesn't really add anything.

    • @refusingtoconform
      @refusingtoconform Рік тому +13

      ​@@moistmarsupial3528 I've made my own comment echoing this sentiment but on with a slightly different tact. SpaceGuy clear has the writing chops to make engaging content that's fun to watch so it feels like his alliteration segments might be a holdover from his days as a smaller UA-camr or maybe he personally enjoys writing them.
      If they continue, I just hope he takes the time to make them flow better with the rest of the script rather than feeling like an indulgent pitstop.

    • @killerkirby366
      @killerkirby366 Рік тому +3

      @@refusingtoconform they flow really good

    • @OldandAbandonedHarcorte
      @OldandAbandonedHarcorte Рік тому +3

      Why does he like allteration so much? I know it's satisfying but goddamn.

  • @Walker443
    @Walker443 Рік тому +306

    Can’t wait for episode 2, definitely brings back the memories when item sets brought these upgrades/upsides.

    • @drillbitz2816
      @drillbitz2816 Рік тому +5

      The hibernating bear is going to be interesting

    • @kepler9860
      @kepler9860 Рік тому +2

      I remember calling someone a hacker because they had the sniper set

    • @isenokami7810
      @isenokami7810 Рік тому +1

      Looking forward to both episodes, particularly the Saharan Spy set in Episode 3. I don’t have any particular attachment/hate for it, since I joined TF2 well after they took out the set bonuses. It’s just, as a piece of TF2 history, well…I just find it fascinating how the Your Eternal Reward went from fantastic as part of the set, to practically useless once the bonus was removed. Even though I still see enemy Spies use the YER all the time.

    • @Walker443
      @Walker443 Рік тому +2

      @@isenokami7810 technically these sets are sorta still in the game, cause now they just leave little grave stones 🪦 if you have a full/particular set, however for the spy his was actually the very first set that was different by now including a taunt set that was sorta unusual.

    • @isenokami7810
      @isenokami7810 Рік тому +3

      @@Walker443 I am aware. But seriously, have you ever seen the graves? Like, ever? No, of course you haven’t. Because once the bonuses were removed, people stopped caring about the full sets. That, and you still need the respective hat for the grave/taunt effect to occur; I guarantee you next to nobody wears the respective hats anymore when there likely just better options these days.
      Exaggeration aside, it’s at least possible that MAYBE you’ll come across the graves; the sets are mostly still solid loadouts even without the bonuses, and from there you’d just need the hat. No way in hell you’re ever seeing that taunt effect, though, since…I mean, come on. Without the old bonus, the Saharan Spy set is just actively terrible.

  • @kooz8279
    @kooz8279 Рік тому +126

    I've always enjoyed emassing the item sets for each of the classes. Such intriguing history for each one.

    • @isenokami7810
      @isenokami7810 Рік тому +2

      Saharan Spy Set: exists
      Your Eternal Reward: amazing/overused
      Saharan Spy Set: no longer exists
      Your Eternal Reward: utterly worthless

  • @tau-5794
    @tau-5794 Рік тому +356

    Imagine if the Manmelter could extinguish enemies as well, so you can use it offensively by lighting an enemy, extinguishing them, doing a crit, then finishing them off with your flamethrower or axe.

    • @nathanfivecoate5848
      @nathanfivecoate5848 Рік тому +1

      Shoot an enemy to set him on fire, extinguish him for a crit, then shoot him again

    • @thunderspark1536
      @thunderspark1536 Рік тому +43

      But then wouldn't if just be the flare gun but with an additional step? You still do crits, just needing to set enemies on fire and extinguish instead of just setting an enemy on fire.

    • @tau-5794
      @tau-5794 Рік тому +55

      @@thunderspark1536 I mean maybe, but you could also do crits against players who are not on fire. A little extra utility never hurts on an otherwise bad weapon.

    • @devdre4491
      @devdre4491 Рік тому +12

      It's all fun and games until your friend gets autobalanced and... you know what happens afterwards

    • @Raych3lwastaken
      @Raych3lwastaken Рік тому +6

      Or just make it Pyro’s short circuit.

  • @grummdoesstuff2983
    @grummdoesstuff2983 Рік тому +156

    Some stuff that people tend to not know about the shortstop:
    Instead of 9 pellets in a square, it fires 4 in a tight T shape.
    It has a 33% faster firing speed
    It reloads its entire clip at once, giving it the fastest reload-time-to-ammo ratio of any scattergun.
    It has a 3x longer range than any other scattergun, and since damage fall off is based on the % of range and not actual distance, it actually deals it’s maximum 72 damage from a longer range than the scatterguns can deal their max 102

    • @aetu35
      @aetu35 Рік тому +2

      Where does that last information come from? I thought it had longer ranged damage because every pellet had double damage compared to regular pellets (12 vs 6)

    • @grummdoesstuff2983
      @grummdoesstuff2983 Рік тому +9

      @@aetu35 nope. Shortstop has the most unlisted stats of any gun in the game. If it had all its actual stats, it would be the longest weapon description.

    • @mishaborovko8274
      @mishaborovko8274 Рік тому

      @@grummdoesstuff2983 Dragon's fury: are you sure about that?

    • @grummdoesstuff2983
      @grummdoesstuff2983 Рік тому +3

      @@mishaborovko8274 huh? What do you mean?

    • @irpsicologiayeducaciongrup8251
      @irpsicologiayeducaciongrup8251 Рік тому +3

      late, but when it comes to random crits, it follows the logic of pistols: 2 second of crits, enough to empty a clip with each shot doing around 244 damage at point blank

  • @jakemess8704
    @jakemess8704 Рік тому +54

    You had me the moment I heard the clap from 'Now I Am Become Death', great music choice SpaceGuy

  • @isenokami7810
    @isenokami7810 Рік тому +55

    Actually, the head explosion thing Space brought up with the Bison gave me a great idea for how to change it. I mean, revert it to normal first, it needs to work like it used to for my idea to work. From there, though, give it an explode on kill stat: not just the gib effect, but straight up the equivalent of setting off a sticky trap in the enemy’s corpse.
    Bam. A meme weapon that you can spam into chokes for chip damage like normal, but with the benefit of literally blowing a hole in the enemy push if you happen to kill anyone with it.

    • @danielsurvivor1372
      @danielsurvivor1372 Рік тому +10

      That's... Actually original and interesting idea that doesn't sound too broken... We need this

    • @johncronk8867
      @johncronk8867 Рік тому +10

      Reminds me of that one custom spy knife. It does no damage, but it basically plants a c4 in anyone you backstab. If you actually manage to survive the person you just stuck, you can time your detonation and blow up them and any nearby teammates.

    • @isenokami7810
      @isenokami7810 Рік тому +7

      @@johncronk8867 Ah right, the Inside Jab. Hintshot mentioned that once.

    • @kuunt6065
      @kuunt6065 Рік тому +6

      yeah his fix didnt fix the issue with the bison. it would still take five seconds to do fifty damage, less than melee, just utter garbage still. I think the current bison has better DPS at that range.

    • @muddashucka9743
      @muddashucka9743 Рік тому +1

      Something to keep in mind when buffing the Righteous Bison is that it was specifically created to be stronger at taking out fleeing foes.

  • @SeamstarSmokey
    @SeamstarSmokey Рік тому +38

    Can’t wait to see how you’d make the Brass Beast/Buffalo Steak/Warrior’s Spirit combo work together. That’ll be a challenging one

    • @justafurrywithinternet317
      @justafurrywithinternet317 Рік тому

      Apparently it's good in MvM

    • @xray8012
      @xray8012 Рік тому

      @@justafurrywithinternet317 The Brass Beast is just a minigun like casual/comp Tomislav vs Stock... Except its Brass Beast vs Stock (the Sandvich is good Tank Busting DPS)

  • @CaptianKatsura
    @CaptianKatsura Рік тому +85

    The Tank Buster was the first item set I ever managed to assemble, and I still use it to this day, even if the Concheror would probably be better than the Backup.

    • @isenokami7810
      @isenokami7810 Рік тому +8

      Fun fact: my Soldier loadout is also the crutch set minus one item, just not the same. Instead of replacing the Conch with the Backup, I replace the Box with stock.
      I just…I can’t. I can’t even seem to aim the splash damage, let alone the rockets. I need that fourth rocket, I WILL die without it no matter how much I’m healing.

    • @Character_Selection_Screen
      @Character_Selection_Screen Рік тому +4

      The Backup is better, in my opinion. It gives an on wearer 20 health, it makes you 100% immune to crits, plus 50% of sentry damage immunity, and 35% for all other damage types. All the conch does is give health regen and speed.

    • @manologamerss5801
      @manologamerss5801 Рік тому +3

      @@isenokami7810 Why do you even play soldier enough to care about that fourth rocket if you can't even hit the first three.

    • @isenokami7810
      @isenokami7810 Рік тому

      @@manologamerss5801 Honestly I don’t. My main is Medic, with joint second being Engie and Heavy. I’ll pick Solly if nobody else has, but he’s nowhere near as fun to me.
      Especially not now that I finally understand Demo (not Knight, just Demo) after 1000+ hours in game. Rocketed up from one of my least favorites to one of the most fun when he clicked. And now that he has, let me say this: I only have splash damage issues as Solly. I hit Demo splash just fine.

    • @danielsurvivor1372
      @danielsurvivor1372 Рік тому

      @@isenokami7810 Since we're talking here about having crutch set minus one item I'll also say mine.
      Mine replaces Escape Plan with Disciplinary action while keeping Box n Conch.

  • @Glacier0516
    @Glacier0516 Рік тому +14

    When episode 2 happens if you’re anything like me the hibernating bear set that will make you want to turn your headphones up to max volume and listen to a 100 gec and Limp Biskit album at the same time as a way to lobotomize yourself so you forget it exists

    • @lordpumpkinhead265
      @lordpumpkinhead265 Рік тому

      The Hibernating Bear set is three ok weapons that have no synergy together put together. The Brass Beast is amazing if you're taking a defensive hold (or on the payload cart), while the Buffalo Suicide Sandwich and Warrior's Spit reward blindly running at the enemy. The biggest problem would have to be that MASSIVE damage increase penalty while under the effects of the Bitch Sandwich and the why not use your minigun? as they just seem to punish you for doing something that already punishes you to begin with. The easiest way to fix these would be to remove both damage increase penalties and add effects to the side of beef run over by a combine that reward you for actually using your melee. One bonus: health on kill. If you're gonna be running into the entire enemy team with nothing but your guns, you might as well get something out of it. Bonus two: damage reduction. Again, you're running into the enemy team, you need some protection or you're about to annoy yourself and your team by existing. Bonus three: give the Warrior's Spite a speed boost and swing speed boost. You are a HEAVY, you are SLOW. What's to stop literally every class in existence from walking in the opposite direction and opening fire at you? The only reason the speed boost is given to the Warrior's Shit is because if you're gonna be a melee heavy, use the KGB since if you get a kill and things get hairy, you have a small window of crits to use with your minigun, so make use of them.

  • @jollytemplar3670
    @jollytemplar3670 Рік тому +35

    14:45 I have to disagree here. The whip is one of the strongest melee weapons in the game solely because of its range. With random crits, you can still potentially one shot 4/9 classes. The item set is still absolute ass though

    • @linusdickens4767
      @linusdickens4767 Рік тому +1

      Can't one shot medics

    • @jollytemplar3670
      @jollytemplar3670 Рік тому +1

      @@linusdickens4767 For some reason at the time I thought a crit did 154 damage rather than 146. I edited the original post

  • @j.a.m.m
    @j.a.m.m Рік тому +9

    Oh, really interesting vid as always!
    25:07 I'd say it has more similarities with the Back Scratcher than the Axtinguisher tbh

  • @Davtwan
    @Davtwan Рік тому +8

    The Gas Attendant was my shit back in the day. I got the hat via crafting I believe or sheer chance.

  • @Scyzzles
    @Scyzzles Рік тому +5

    Shortstop's damage model and tighter spread being more suited for mid-range than the scattergun combined with a fast reload that allows for consistent damage output and more or less makes up for the lack of a pistol makes it easy to stay at a safe distance where it's easier to dodge incoming projectiles, easier to disengage, you take less damage due to falloff and what damage you do take can be healed through the mad milk without having to close in and put yourself in greater danger.
    The combo still works. The Shortstop is an underrated primary and I''d argue has a playstyle that works much better with the Mad Milk than the all or nothing Scattergun that benefits much more from a pistol to make up for its lack of mid-range damage.

  • @giova2704
    @giova2704 Рік тому +1

    7:28 seeing all your boost disappear from a butterstab made me cry

  • @keromora
    @keromora Рік тому +2

    An astounding amount of alliteration astonishing even the most astute audiences

  • @wheatthins4.222
    @wheatthins4.222 Рік тому +4

    You always come up with the best ideas for series, keep up the great work!

  • @urza_irl
    @urza_irl Рік тому +2

    i think this is your best work yet! really enjoying the alliterations and jokes

  • @himynamewaz7507
    @himynamewaz7507 Рік тому +2

    The unique rhymes at the beginning of the sets is just fun. Because of the unique use of lesser-known words

  • @jknifgijdfui
    @jknifgijdfui Рік тому +18

    the modern atomizer is great tho it wont help with combat but mobility is still mobility and it has no downsides cause its a melee for scout so ur missing nothing

    • @Recarsonated
      @Recarsonated 11 місяців тому

      Its good on its own but has little synergy with the set nowadays, it even used to stack with the soda popper’s jumps, kinda sad that many sets and especially this one had their synergy gutted. #1 fan is my favorite set in terms of the weapons i like

    • @jknifgijdfui
      @jknifgijdfui 11 місяців тому

      @@Recarsonated thats fair

    • @F4T-AL
      @F4T-AL 8 місяців тому

      atomizer gives free minicrits if you jump.

    • @g-forcefgt323
      @g-forcefgt323 Місяць тому

      ​@@F4T-AL yea, 40 damage mini-crits bc it has a damage penalty so its only slightly better than stock damage wise... why would you try to use that?

    • @F4T-AL
      @F4T-AL Місяць тому

      still mini-crits and that was 7 months ago 💀💀@@g-forcefgt323

  • @wisedude1
    @wisedude1 Рік тому +1

    Legit best suggestion anyone has had for the third degree ever, well done.

  • @CheeseChurger
    @CheeseChurger Рік тому +3

    Great video! always nice to see someone make a video on old weapon sets.
    also i saw that engie in the floor at 2:10

    • @dino_sores4298
      @dino_sores4298 Рік тому

      OMJEE ENGIE JUMPSCARE(GONE WRONG) (I GOT BANNED)

    • @CheeseChurger
      @CheeseChurger Рік тому

      @@dino_sores4298 Don't call engineer at 3am (gone wrong) (gone sexual) (he is engihere)

    • @Christoff070
      @Christoff070 Рік тому

      Had to slow the video down to see him, well spotted

  • @ShockedTaiLung
    @ShockedTaiLung Рік тому +1

    Once again he keeps using words with the same first letter and once again I love it

  • @ItsDatOneGuy
    @ItsDatOneGuy Рік тому +1

    At this point I watch to hear what alliterations you come up. Great work.

  • @Whydidtheychangeittohandlesnow

    The alliteration is impressive

  • @pardigger653
    @pardigger653 Рік тому +4

    Right when I was thinking “oh god he has to do the set with the bison”, it showed up on the video. Meaning you had to get gameplay of you using the bison. Seriously. I am so sorry this had to happen with you. All I can say is that I wish you best of luck with the hibernating bear set, and the pomson from engie’s sci-fi set.

  • @shortbow735
    @shortbow735 Рік тому +1

    Loving the deadbolt ost in the background.

  • @xeta01
    @xeta01 Рік тому +1

    The best part of your videos is the amount of rhymes and puns😂

  • @lu7ky
    @lu7ky Рік тому

    Lovely video, love the alliteration.

  • @linusdickens4767
    @linusdickens4767 Рік тому +1

    Can't wait for episode 2

  • @polarexpresshobo4030
    @polarexpresshobo4030 Рік тому

    Love the use of the deadbolt soundtrack. Killer game.

  • @Grim0514
    @Grim0514 Рік тому +1

    Good video, never thought of a manntreads buff and kinda conisdered them unbuffable but increasing movement speed sounds along with its current stats like a super fun alternative to the gunboats and i wish it was in the game

  • @Lttsumm
    @Lttsumm Рік тому +4

    this, this is cool. i have been wondering about stuff like this. and I have a question for you. what is your opinion on bonuses for having full sets equipped returning? i like the idea of actual ingame bonuses being added for having full sets.

    • @refusingtoconform
      @refusingtoconform Рік тому

      It'd be nice to see more sets with added synergy but I think we shouldn't see anymore cosmetic requirements. TF2's core gameplay should be intact and all weapon effects should come from the weapons we can see and not from the hats atop their head.
      Plainly, it'd be nice to see weapon set bonuses return but I think we need to integrate them into the weapons themselves (as they did when they originally removed them) and have the cosmetics be optional to receive the effect. Additionally, if these bonuses are to return we need to clearly label their stats for new and old, returning players so that there isn't confusion about why they're performing better with the same weapon despite any skill difference.

  • @edfreak9001
    @edfreak9001 Рік тому +4

    to be honest on some level I wouldn't mind Polycount-style game-altering set bonuses if it was more obvious you had them active and they didn't require a cosmetic and even more interestingly if every class had access to some of them, I think the utility of mismatched sets would still shine through often enough that you could give fun little boosts for using specific thematic sets together. Maybe if we ever get a true follow-up worthy of being called Team Fortress 3, this concept can be explored a bit.
    plus let's be real the only really problematic set was the croc sniper

    • @SpaceGuyOnline
      @SpaceGuyOnline  Рік тому +2

      I think in the right hands the Special Delivery could also be an issue.
      Hilariously even the Medieval Medic has an extremely overkill set bonus of giving medic even more regen.
      Default is 6, with the Amp it's another 3 so 9 and the set provided another 3(maybe, hard to recall) equaling 12 HP per second.

    • @CaptianKatsura
      @CaptianKatsura Рік тому +2

      I can't hate the Croc Sniper because of how much it fucked with hackers. I remember a 2Fort game I played years ago where the enemy team had an aimhacking Sniper that no one was willing to kick, so to deal with him I went Croc Sniper and had our Engineer set up his dispenser on the ramparts by me. The hacker's aimbot refused to let him bodyshot, so with the dispenser keeping me always above 1 HP, he was physically incapable of killing me.

    • @Pomodorosan
      @Pomodorosan Рік тому

      The medieval medic set gave +1 regen, and the amputator only gained its +3 regen several months after set bonuses were removed

  • @Pocket_Shield
    @Pocket_Shield Рік тому

    A SpaceGuy video with Deadbolt music, truly a blessing to my ears and eyes.

  • @ng855
    @ng855 Рік тому +2

    They put gravestones in place of the bonuses they murdered

  • @doomyboi
    @doomyboi Рік тому +1

    My idea for the mantreads:
    When under a speed-boosting effect, the mantreads allow you to deal damage and knock back enemies you walk into, while also keeping the ability to deal damage to enemies you fall on. The idea is to allow the soldier to synergize his disciplinary action team buff into a passive attack that his weapon's longer melee reach can capitalize on while also building on the original concept of the mantreads as something that gives you damage for hitting enemies at speed via rocket jumping.

  • @Wounded_Asclepius
    @Wounded_Asclepius Рік тому +1

    Deadbolt music! What a great game, I really should replay it.

  • @justxander1656
    @justxander1656 Рік тому

    11:48 katana zero music in a tf2 video? you my good man just earned a sub

  • @DFlaminberry
    @DFlaminberry Рік тому

    If anyone is wondering, the first song played in this video is Now I am Become Death from the Deadbolt OST. Took me a bit to figure out where I knew it from.

  • @lightingchaser
    @lightingchaser Рік тому +1

    I heard that Deadbolt song… excellent choice in ost

  • @TheSimpleMan454
    @TheSimpleMan454 Рік тому

    This man (robot? Cyborg? Camcorder with a hat?) Has some seriously stellar alliterative attunement.

  • @philippeleprohon4823
    @philippeleprohon4823 Рік тому +1

    2:50 Hey, that's Octo Expansion's blender!

  • @dontdomewrong1932
    @dontdomewrong1932 Рік тому +1

    Diggin the katana zero music btw.

  • @darthgamer9861
    @darthgamer9861 Рік тому

    Love the use of Risk of Rain music

  • @baneofthebread
    @baneofthebread Рік тому +5

    I'm not sure i agree with the Atomizer changes, seems more out of a desire to bring back the old version rather than trying to make it work in the set, as in it's current incarnation it's a bit redundant, what with the Soda Popper giving you 5 extra jumps

  • @what...101
    @what...101 Рік тому +1

    That's honestly a pretty good idea for a Bison rework

  • @fractalisomega9517
    @fractalisomega9517 Рік тому

    The Baby Face Blaster was amazing on release and really made Scout feel like another class, not quite as much as Demoknight but ditching your upward mobility for full on horizontal movement was refreshing and honestly not even broken
    Great for running to the enemy back lines but with such little firepower compared to Stock you traded damage for hit and run surprise, and you'd get beat by a single engineer setting up a sentry

  • @rexosaurus3610
    @rexosaurus3610 Рік тому

    I can't wait for the next episode, long as your recording program behaves.

  • @p_frog
    @p_frog Рік тому

    the deadbolt soundtrack is a great choice my friend

  • @hankisdank388
    @hankisdank388 Рік тому +2

    After playing through Left 4 Dead: What if the crit effect had some menacing music to accompany it? Valve already has sound cues for most buff sources at the start, but some recognizable melody could cause you a moment to pause and think before running out the spawn doors to a phlog pyro who finished their mmph before you spawned.

  • @asdf-pd1uj
    @asdf-pd1uj Рік тому

    I love your content, but the Deadbolt soundtrack being the first thing I hear? Absolute staple of the TF2 content creators

  • @GhostlyOfficialVA
    @GhostlyOfficialVA Рік тому

    Nice use of DEADBOLT soundtrack here. Nice video too.

  • @TheDude8008
    @TheDude8008 Рік тому

    The sentences that start mostly with the same letter are awesome, I guess the S was for "speed" in the Baby Face's Blaster set and the L was for "lean" in the Soda Popper set.
    And the color waving outlines are cool.

    • @ironicdivinemandatestan4262
      @ironicdivinemandatestan4262 Рік тому

      That's called alliteration when it's it's with consonants, and assonance when it's with vowels.

  • @beeberbonberber
    @beeberbonberber Рік тому

    Love that you use the RoR soundtrack

  • @purplehaze2358
    @purplehaze2358 Рік тому +7

    The shortstop actually does have a little bit of synergy with the mad milk. It incentivizes keeping outside of the effective ranges of most classes, meaning you'll be taking less damage overall and, therefore, making the effect of MM far more effective.

    • @louisprice3675
      @louisprice3675 Рік тому

      Can you state everything you can do at the foundation?

  • @Nighto
    @Nighto Рік тому +3

    I think the Atomizer is fine as it is right now. I use it a lot and honestly, I've had no problems with it, probably one of Scout's best melees (though, only because he doesn't really have any good ones.) It might not be as good as it used to be but to call it a bad change makes me feel like you haven't used it very much. I don't even think its reasonable to ask it to be changed.
    Though, admittedly, it does pair awfully in the #1 Fan set.

    • @lordpumpkinhead265
      @lordpumpkinhead265 Рік тому

      Scout melees are as follows:
      Wrap Assassin
      Atomizer
      Fan-o-War (under extremely niche circumstances)
      You have literally no reason to use any of his other unremarkable bat reskins, so why bother? The Sandman would be on this list if it still stunned after hitting an enemy with the ball, but since VALVe doesn't like fun, the Sandman falls short of the list.

    • @Nighto
      @Nighto Рік тому

      @@lordpumpkinhead265 The sandman is the only direct downgrade.
      Most of Scout's melees suck, but they're all direct upgrades to stock except the sandman.

  • @halt1931
    @halt1931 Рік тому

    For the record, I believe you could control when the soda popper gave you minicrits, by putting it away and holding out your melee or secondary when hype was almost full, then switching to it when you wanted the minicrits

  • @lenightmare1
    @lenightmare1 Рік тому

    one idea i had for the third degree was that upon hitting an enemy, he is "marked for medic" for a few seconds. Instead of showing a skull on top of the player it shows the medic's drawn head, and all damage dealt to the affected player also deals damage to a medic/dispenser healing it

  • @Antonluisre
    @Antonluisre Рік тому +3

    Single frame engineer apparittion at 2:10

    • @taureon_
      @taureon_ Рік тому

      engineer jumpscare

  • @whimsyy3199
    @whimsyy3199 Рік тому +1

    The full sets were a problem, but damn did I enjoy the Gas Jockey set when it was around
    10% movespeed on Pyro at all times felt incredible.

  • @noahdukat1968
    @noahdukat1968 Рік тому +1

    If they were to bring this feature back (why) I’d hope they did it for deliberately bad weapon combos or thematic ones. Encourage stranger playstyles and make them semi-viable and make thematic ones either more thematic or better if they also fall under the first category.

  • @kayoh9364
    @kayoh9364 Рік тому +3

    Hold up. The Shortstop never had the item set bonus and the increased healing from all sources at the same time.
    The wiki section on the Shortstop's updates is wrong - it doesnt list the Gun Mettle changes (when sets were removed and Shortstop got increased healing), nor when the Shove part was added.
    Granted, I'm citing old Reddit posts for my information, but I'm pretty sure it lines up with what I remember better than the wiki.

    • @SpaceGuyOnline
      @SpaceGuyOnline  Рік тому +3

      Seeing how you got the update wrong by about 7 years and said the item that was part of the set never recieved the set bonus and its own bonuses at the same time, gonna accept my info.
      Shortstop gave increased healing through all sources
      The set gave 25 HP

  • @gibbous_silver
    @gibbous_silver Рік тому +1

    or instead of the homing beam, its a projecile with the shape of the flamethrower cone but single fire

  • @DepressedCrow
    @DepressedCrow Рік тому

    0:27 I call this the "Protagonist plot armor" loadout

  • @fireblast133
    @fireblast133 10 місяців тому

    wanna know what i think would make the bison viable?
    Hits dealing x amount of damage or more reload one rocket in your primary. It'll draw from reserves, but the synergy then comes in the fact the mangler has infinite reserve. Increase that projectile speed on top, and it's a weapon that's more meant to allow you to defend yourself and reload your primary damage dealer at the same time. A niche that'd work well for Soldier.

  • @Recarsonated
    @Recarsonated 11 місяців тому

    I would absolutely LOVE if they added set bonuses (just for the weapons and not the hats) and for the #1 fan set they had the stat “Melee Mini Crits turn into full crits while hype is active” to make the atomizer a market gardener for scout

  • @uscott187
    @uscott187 Рік тому

    2:51 my reaction: is that the splatoon blender? 😆

  • @irishkelly2062
    @irishkelly2062 Рік тому +1

    Could you post your settings somewhere?
    I have been playing TF2 on and off since 2008 and didn't use custom settings until 2015 (when I finally joined the 16:9 wagon) and never really stuck with one or another for various reasons.
    I do however, think yours looks very clean and unintrusive, especially for my new larger monitor.
    Thanks for the awesome video.

  • @AstridRuna
    @AstridRuna Рік тому +2

    I imagine that a neat fix for the Bison would be increasing the projectile speed, but only when your magazine isn't full. This would give you more consistency at the expense of having to adjust your aim mid fight. It would keep the weapon for spamming, because you keep the weapon's normal projectile speed the norm if you want a full clip, but increase it's effective range and versatility also. I would say 20% 45% 70% for 3 2 and 1 laser in the clip, respectively.
    Also, if you want to make it OP, if you crouch, the effect is put on reload speed instead. Why? Well, I refuse to answer because I think it would be fun to see. It would give it more of a synergy with rocket launchers that have reduce self-blast damgage, you now needing to reload while crouching with your secondary, meaning you need to stand still longer, which logically gives you more room to read the situation before you commit with a rocket jump. If you like the idea, but want balance, then just decrease the bison's normal relaod speed by something like 10% or 15%, meaning the buff isn't AS powerful either. Remember: you still just have your secondary out while someone is coming at you, while you are crouching randomly. 9/10, it would be better for you to switch to your rocket launcher or reload it while running away.
    Although, I do think your more faithful rework might be cool also.
    For the Liberty Launcher, I would like to be able to fire "normal" rockets as well. My reasons are these: Projectile Speed really isn't necessarily an upside. Muscle memory, aim, advanced rocket jumping, bombing, they all are underminded in comparisson. I realize that that's the point of a weapon: create a different set of talants, problems or solutions for the player to explore, but it just makes the weapon uninteresting for both veterans and newer players because skill gained with other rocket launchers doesn't apply to this one - all for having a barely interesting upside.
    My fix would be this: you now fire a 10% slower-than-stock rocket with the alternative fire mouse key. It still has the same lower damage, even though now you gain the ability to sink rockets from a distance, or while highspeed rocket jumping. It still has it's own skill ceiling and is pretty niche in own right, but its what the liberty launcher needs, slighty what it already does,
    Usefulness, consistency

    • @acid9033
      @acid9033 Рік тому

      The bison has low projectiles speed so it can hit multiple time if an enemy runs away

  • @cindrblok7948
    @cindrblok7948 Рік тому +1

    what if the bison acted like a balanced version of the army of one, where after moving a certain distance at the same speed it stops moving charges up until it looks like the short circuit orb dealing moderate damage to nearby enemies but while doing this damage it cannot charge up and if attacking multiple enemy will down charge, before exploding like the army of one. maybe a 10 second charge up. and it travels half the length of a short Circuit ball

  • @danieljestice4500
    @danieljestice4500 Рік тому

    I like your funny words space tf2 man

  • @refusingtoconform
    @refusingtoconform Рік тому +4

    I've mentioned prior how I feel like your alliteration style of introductions can be off-putting despite its technical proficiency and I think the breakdown segment around 6:40 proves this wonderfully.
    This entire segment is so smooth, funny, and informative. An excellent display of your quirky sense of humor that makes your videos so engaging to watch without chopping up your delivery bumbling over syllables.
    You're such a talented creator, Space Guy, the effort you put into production is admirable and your ability to inject personality into a script is always a pleasure. I just hope one day you unshackle yourself from this gimmick and let your writing speak for itself.

  • @erochicken
    @erochicken Рік тому

    I love space guys scripts

  • @coolnineteenfourthreethreesix

    Great taste in music

  • @jaysbadatgaming
    @jaysbadatgaming Рік тому

    I think that if you were to remove the health on hit with the PBPP, they'd have to add another pistol for that- kinda like the Equalizer split.
    I really like the idea of scout being able to have a mix between the Mad Milk and the Pistol- still able to heal without sacrificing a useful finisher secondary, but loses the support aspect of the Mad Milk.

  • @MoreDepresso
    @MoreDepresso Рік тому

    for the tank buster set i feel like the best way to buff the usage would be to make it so that the battalions charge would go up faster if the damage is caused by the black box, since one of the many reasons people use the conch is because it takes less damage to change.

  • @tigran010
    @tigran010 Рік тому

    24:32 Gonna write it down to my everyday dictionary

  • @fortnitesexman
    @fortnitesexman Рік тому

    your overhaul of the bison would force people to fire at a heavy for HALF A MINUTE
    while he can shred you in about 2 seconds

  • @minifigamer9898
    @minifigamer9898 Місяць тому

    I feel like the gas jockey is a bit of a weird case where, yes, they synergize well with each other, but the thing is that they both synergize well with almost everything. Sure combo pyro would be rounded off nicely with the axetinguisher, but you're likely also running the flare gun or panic attack so it just feels like overkill. There isn't a single pyro primary or secondary that I can find that doesn't synergize with the powerjack. And the only weapons thst don't pair well with the degreaser are the mannmelter (which it's entire purpose is to partially make up for the phlog's lack of airblast), thermal thruster (and even then, you can equip the axetinguisher to regain your combo pyro status), and two of the melees that everyone agrees are worthless with everything (being the sharpened volcano fragment and hot hand)

  • @madcat789
    @madcat789 2 місяці тому

    I honestly wouldn't mind if they had a special mode where it was all about sets and their bonuses, whatever it may be.

  • @senatorcigarstrong3374
    @senatorcigarstrong3374 2 місяці тому

    For bison we should just add back the old flame particles as a new bison particle hitbox so its back to its former glory.

  • @milkgo4d541
    @milkgo4d541 Рік тому

    Could somwbody get me a list of the music used in the video? There were a couple songs in there i used to listen to but forgot the name to.

  • @Nightwing-2244
    @Nightwing-2244 Рік тому

    18:40 The cowmangler is actually quite good at dealing with sentries due to its alt fire. The charge shot not only mini crits and burns enemies it also disable sentries for 4 secs, making it a really good tool against nests.

    • @SpaceGuyOnline
      @SpaceGuyOnline  Рік тому

      You need teammates to actually capitalize on that which is nearly impossible even with a mic in TF2

  • @dugoose777
    @dugoose777 Рік тому

    I really like the bison rework idea. It gives soldier a close range option like the shotgun that isn't a shotgun.

  • @theghosttm8245
    @theghosttm8245 Рік тому

    I remember walking in spawn for the old Soda Popper and then switching to my pistol or melee and waited for the right moment so I get my mini crits.

  • @LowProfile0247
    @LowProfile0247 Рік тому

    holy shit its a guy in space (online)

  • @Plantster15
    @Plantster15 Рік тому

    Poopy Joe is in the crowd scene at 13:47 behind Saxton Hale

  • @wiggytommy8607
    @wiggytommy8607 Рік тому +2

    I really hate to be *that guy* and all, but it’s spelled (and pronounced) “Grordbort” (Grr-ord-bort) not “Grodbot”
    Also, the Milkman set SFM model doesn’t have the Shortstop equipped, or it’s just really hard to see. :/
    But other than that, great video! I’ve always wanted an in-depth synergy review on the TF2 item sets!

  • @charleschamp9826
    @charleschamp9826 Рік тому

    I don't know who came up with this idea, but for a long while now I've heard the idea of pushing the Manmelter even further into the Team Support Role it tries to encourage the player to take. By giving it the ability to clear teammates of Jarate, Mad Milk, perhaps even whatever status the Sandman's Ball causes now, and Marked for Death Status (Provided that was caused by something like an Enemy Scout's Fan-O-War rather than a weapon the Teammate has equipped). Though those last two seem very unlikely if such a change ever was to the weapon.

  • @LordMuffinToken
    @LordMuffinToken Рік тому

    allaround allright Alliterations, amigo

  • @piefighter2170
    @piefighter2170 Рік тому

    Yo when is part 2 this shit is genuinely good stuff

  • @m136dalie
    @m136dalie Рік тому

    loved the video

  • @rockowlgamer631
    @rockowlgamer631 Рік тому

    other then the powerjack change I can agree with everything else

  • @darkranger116
    @darkranger116 7 місяців тому

    *sigh* i remember when the darwin danger shield actually used to be a real item and gave +25 health, allowing a huntsman sniper to be an offense class..
    back before the weapon balance dev team had a stroke :(

  • @obliterablecardioid3617
    @obliterablecardioid3617 Рік тому

    Nitro pepsi Is fucking bombastic and baller, do not besmirch my blessed beverage

  • @solgerWhyIsThereAnAtItLooksBad

    The bison should work like the alien ray gun from… a different game whos name I’m not allowed to mention.

  • @moronribbons5774
    @moronribbons5774 Рік тому

    Honestly for the third degree I would say maybe grant it something along the lines of projectile blocking, to pair with the manmelter in making up for what the phlog lacks in no airblasting. I would figure swinging it or maybe a colldown-dependant M2 function could allow it to occasionally generate a shield or field in front of the pyro for a brief moment that would break projectiles, potentially lingering for a moment on success and thus further encouraging to use it around your team to support holding a space or protecting someone like your medic. I would figure it needs higher switch on speed to make pulling this out to use more possible as an alternative to airblast, though not too much to make it more require careful consideration on the linger of the shield to utilize well. Of course for downsides I'd say the weapon itself should have weak damage, and maybe something like a damage weakness to bullets since it makes almost any other damage types struggle more if it was used well.
    It's obviously a very fickle idea to toy with, and would make the 3Dg extremely unique among melee weapons, so maybe a more toned down or set related ability, such as only being usable to generate a melee-hit area when swung if you don't have the phlog, and being able to generate that field at the cost of some of the mmph meter (a third or half?) while still only having it last briefly so as to not too much allow to offset the phlog's downside toward projectiles.

  • @mrminty1965
    @mrminty1965 7 місяців тому

    The third degree is my favorite reskin for pyro