As they said at the beginning, this story is mostly true. There is no definitive answer as to how or where Butch and Sundance died. There are other stories, but this is a good one. But now you have to watch The Sting. Same two stars, same director and a GREAT movie. In fact it won the Best Picture Oscar.
Hey, Jen-- that's another good movie to add to your list. Michael Caine & Robert DuValle, Second Hand Lions. . If we keep up with the suggestions, you'll be doing reaction videos for life.😉 @@tremorsfan that's an interesting notion. Michael Caine & Robert DuValle make that a good movie. Paul would have been better, maybe... It's a shame he wouldn't "play" old. Wouldn't have been much acting, by then he WAS... and of course, "I hold him in the highest respect..."
GREAT MOVIE, SAW IT WHERE I LIVE JUST OUTSIDE NEW YORK CITY BACK AROUND 73-74. ON A NEW TYPE OF MEDIUM, AT LEAST TO THIS AREA ANYWAY. IT WAS CALLED CABLEVISION Of LONG ISLAND. AND IT WAS WITH FIRST RUN MOVIES AFTER THEIR THEATRICAL RELEASES. WOUND UP FOR VIEWING MAYBE 6 MONTHS LATER. THERE WAS MAYBE ONE TO THREE MOVIES A MONTH AT THAT TIME. AND YOU TALK ABOUT HEAVY ROTATION. EACH FILM SEEMS TO BE ON ABOUT FIVE TIMES A DAY. OH AND IN MY HUMBLE OPINION. I THOUGHT ROBERT SHAW STOLE THE MOVIE ! TAKE CARE STAY SAFE AND BE WELL.
Always found it interesting that the wanted poster for real Bitch Cassidy described him as "friendly and affable." It was like they were saying "He's a wanted criminal, but you'll like him."
One thing, the ending was left like that as Newman and Redford were such lovable characters and stars the filmmakers didn't really want to show you them dying horribly or it would have changed the movie considerably. Hence, the ending of them running into a blaze and freezing became one of most iconic endings ever filmed that's been copied ever since.
And it was done with a difficult and complex optical effect by L.B. Abbott. He actually snapping a full length picture of the guys alongside the movie camera and pasting and retouching that photo into an enlarged photo of the fort. When the matching film frame to the photo was found, that is where they froze and dissolved to the sepia-tone photo of them at the fort. And they pulled back of that still photo. The difficulty was making sure the dissolve was aligned and matched so that it looked entirely like the same picture.
now compare it with The Wild Bunch from the same year... both movies share similar themes but the treatment and tone are quite different, and they have similar endings but resolved in opposite ways
Great reaction Jen. Both legendary actors have a lengthy filmography. For Paul Newman, I would recommend Cool Hand Luke (1967) and Absence of Malice (1981 w/Sally Field). Robert Redford movies to do are Three Days of the Condor (1975), All the Presidents Men (1976 w/Dustin Hoffman) and The Natural (1986). All great movies that nobody has reacted to on UA-cam yet. Thanks for all the hard work you do.
For Redford recommendations, I would add: Jeremiah Johnson Brubaker The Electric Horseman Your 3 plus my 3 are my personal favorite 6 Redford movies. For reactions, I would probably suggest starting with The Natural.
Excellent suggestions! I'd add "Torn Curtain" (1966) - can you imagine Paul Newman co-starring with Julie Andrews (of all people) in a Cold War thriller directed by Alfred Hitchcock? For Robert Redford, two more: "Spy Game" (2001), in which he stars with Brad Pitt - someone had the brilliant idea of co-starring the two "ultra-hunk" actors of their generations, and it worked beautifully. The other is "An Unfinished Life" (2005), starring Redford, Morgan Freeman, and Jennifer Lopez. Pairing Morgan Freeman with ANYBODY works well, and he and Redford are no exception. (Of the films I've mentioned, "An Unfinished Life" is the most "human interest"-y, with strong characters, and it's an overlooked gem.) I'm sure Jen would love these, even if she didn't do reactions.
They don't argue with Etta because of the reason she's leaving: remember she said she wouldn't watch them die. They all three know that time is coming and she is leaving, as stated in the terms she laid down.
Thanks for selecting this film (you polled it, I believe). THIS film is the standard bearer in buddy movies; Paul Newman & Robert Redford are unmatched against all others. Handsome, witty (great writing), charming with comedic timing, and charisma to spare. Katherine Ross was excellent as the SMART and BEAUTIFUL co-conspirator in this film, too. Great movie; it turned the western genre on its head when it came out.
"WE need a miracle here." Not "they," not "you," but "WE." I love how Jen is almost like a participant in the movies she reacts to rather than just a spectator.
Legendary actors, playing legendary figures. Many claim that Butch didn't die in S. America, but came back to Utah/Wyoming area several times, including Butch's sister and other family members.
Hi Jen.,once again great choice! These two actors were a dynamic pairing in their day. Try the film The Sting. Separate films (Newman),Cool Hand Luke. For (Redford) The Natural. Both great films IMO.
Two other films that Redford directed, but was not in-- The Milagro Beanfield War, and, The Legend of Bagger Vance... Bagger Vance has Wil Smith and Matt Damon, with Charlize Theron. It's a '30's golf movie and romance. Sounds dumb, right? A movie about GOLF? It's not, it's better than that. And Milagro Beanfield War is about a land/ water rights war in New Mexico. Half of the cast is the best Spanish speaking actors from the USA and Latin America, a bi-racial film. Lotta good folks in the supporting cast, and the story has folk tale elements about it...
You said you thought Sundance would be the younger guy, and he was (in this movie): Redford was 11 years younger than Newman. The mustache must have fooled ya
This movie is about changes in society. Butch and Sundance were the old way (wild), the trackers are the new relentless corporate power (structured and orderly). The bicycle represents mechanization. In the end the new way beats the old way just like Paul Bunyan and Babe the Blue Ox were defeated.
Butch Cassidy and Harry Longbaugh (Sundance) were real. All of these types of films have to play with fact in order to be entertaining. But this one is less outrageous than a lot of them. There's a theory that Butch actually survived and returned to the U.S. under an alias. Of course, there's rumors like that for almost every famous or infamous person. But that one has more cred than most. Probably not true, but possible. You can see Newman and Redford paired up again, and with the same director, in "The Sting." And their antagonist is Robert Shaw (Quint from Jaws).
@@larryyeadeke2953 There isn't a one hundred percent documented knowledge of how or even where they died. The filmed version is just that, one version of several that have been described but there really isn't enough historical knowledge of their deaths to be certain as to what ever happened to them.
@@88wildcat What I'm saying is if they came out of the building like they did in the movie, they died. No way all those military guys missed. Hell's bells, they were just waiting for them to come out.
Hey, Jen!!! 'Butch & Sundance' is one of the best. George Roy Hill did so many great movies, and this is one of the best. It won Best Screenplay, Best Score, Best Song, and Best Cinematography. It was also the first teaming of Redford and Newman, who would team up for 'The Sting' a few years later. Katherine Ross (Etta) has basically retired from acting, but she is alive and well and married to Sam Elliott (the Cowboy in 'The Big Lebowski'). Robert Redford (Sundance) was one of the biggest stars of the late 1960s through the 1980s and became a voice for independent film in the 1990s through his Sundance Institute and The Sundance Film Festival which are in Provo, Utah. He originally named his ranch Sundance as well. He won two Oscars...one for Best Director for 'Ordinary People', his directorial debut, and for Lifetime Acheivement. He also played Secretary Alexander Pierce in the MCU (Captain America: The Winter Soldier & Avengers: Endgame) Must watches: - 'The Way We Were' with Barbra Streisand - 'The Sting' with Newman and Robert Shaw, also directed by George Roy Hill - 'All The President's Men' with Dustin Hoffman. Redford as reporter Bob Woodward and Hoffman as reporter Carl Bernstein covering the Watergate break-in for The Washington Post. Also written by William Goldman. - 'Up Close & Personal' with Michelle Pfeiffer. Paul Newman (Butch)...one of Hollywood's greatest stars and greatest humanitarians. He married the beautiful Joanne Woodward, a big star in her own right. He won the Oscar for Best Actor as "Fast" Eddie Felson in 'The Color of Money' directed by Martin Scorsese, a role he played years earlier in a film called 'The Hustler'. He starred opposite Tom Cruise in the film. If you have ever bought any of the 'Newman's Own' brand of foods, you have given money to a company founded by Newman and Woodward that donates 100% of its profits to charities, including Newman's own 'Hole In The Wall Camps' for children who are seriously ill. Since 1982, it is estimated that Newman's Own products have raised anywhere from $500 million to $1 billion for charity. Must watches: - 'Slap Shot', one of the funniest and most biting political movies ever...about a low-end ice hockey team. - 'Cat On A Hot Tin Roof' with Elizabeth Taylor, from the Tennessee Willims play. - 'Hud' - 'Cool Hand Luke' - 'The Sting' (yeah...again!!!) - 'The Last Movie Stars', a new 2022 documentary for HBOMax directed by Ethan Hawke about Paul and Joanne. It is fascinating and doesn't shy away from the warts of their relationship or who they were. Taken from transcripts of an unfinished memoir Newman was planning and abandoned...Newman is voiced by George Clooney and Woodward by Laura Linney. Of course, the screenplay by William Goldman is one of those perfect scripts, it was just a few years after this he would write the novel, 'The Princess Bride'...and you know that one! This won him his first Oscar for Best Screenplay, and he would win again in a few years for 'All The President's Men'.
Well done. That was a lot of reading, but it was worth it. I would also add, The Great Waldo Pepper with Robert Redford. I heard that it was originally supposed to be another Paul Newman/Robert Redford movie, but it didn't work out. Why, I'm not sure.
Interesting that the first scene written for this movie by William Goldwin was the jump scene in the middle. He then had to figure out to get them from the beginning of the movie to the top of the hill and then how to get them from the river to Bolivia.
My freshman acting teacher introduced us to this movie, lovingly labeling it "the western for people who don't like westerns." And I've loved it ever since. I never thought about the fact she said, "I won't watch you die. I'll miss that scene, thank you." And we never see them die, either. Fantastic direction.
Great movie for all the reasons including legendary chemistry between Redford and Newman. Screenwriter William Goldman had a fantastic ear for dialogue, and he has a ton of credits to prove it, including one of the most quoted films of all time, The Princess Bride (1987). From this movie, I find myself saying "Guns or knives?!" whenever an argument arises.
The ending is exactly what Etta said: "...and I'll do anything you ask of me except one thing. I won't watch you die. I'll miss that scene if you don't mind." Having the soldier's final intense volleys of fire done off-screen just makes it all the more tragic. One of the saddest endings to one of the best movies.
Yup. Absolutely do The Sting. I see a lot of movie suggestions for both Paul Newman and also for Redford. All good choices. Paul Newman started the Hole in the Wall Gang Camps for seriously ill children. His vision was to give these kids a chance to have some fun and "raise a Little Hell". He also started a line of food items called Newman's Own. Popcorn, salsa, salad dressings, pasta sauces and more. The bulk of his profits go to support the camp still. I believe he had that in his will. He and his wife (actress JoAnne Woodward) raised and donated a lot of money for various charities. Both outstanding (award winning) actors as well. The Sting is such a good movie!!!
Newman and Redford became best buds. The played tricks on each other. Also, they did s routine at s theater in Connecticut, where they are old and cannot remember each other. Very funny.
Back then they did not ask to many questions when someone would join the army, so it was a great place for robbers and thieves to hide out, cooks would commit a robbery and then lay low in the army for the winter and when spring hit go find their hidden lute. They were called Winter Soldiers.
The sixties were an era where filmmakers were gradually breaking the mold on westerns. Traditionally, westerns were good guy vs. bad guy, white hats vs. black hats. This film turned the genre on its head making the bad guys into the charming heroes. It also revealed the incredible screen charisma between Paul Newman and Robert Redford. FYI the prevailing historical opinion is that they ended their days ranching in Argentina.
Legend has it that Butch Cassidy and Sundance escaped from Bolivia and returned to the United States. In the 1930s someone claimed to be Butch Cassidy.
writer of Butch Cassidy William Goldman and Princess Bride, took his mother to the premiere. After the film, William asked his elderly mother " So Mom, What did you think ?? " " Weren't the horses beautiful " was her response
Fun Fact - Harvey, the guy that challenge Butch in the knife fight, Ted Cassidy, played Lurch in The Addams Family that launched his career in many unique roles and characters.
Etta actually did leave. What became of her (or where she came from to begin with) is one of history's mysteries. There are 2 photos of her. One with Sundance all dressed up, and another of her with Butch and Sundance and a dog out in front of a small house.
The movie that they watched in New York was "The Great Train Robbery. It was about them and it pissed them off . The movie showed several shootings and they never shot anyone.
William Goldman wrote both this screenplay and that of "The Princess Bride". In the novel The Princess Bride, he claims that the cliff jump scene in Butch Cassidy was inspired by the Cliffs of Insanity in the (fictional) Morganstern book The Princess Bride: in reality, Goldman made up all three of them (both screenplays, and Morganstern himself).
Another piece of trivia: the Sundance film festival (probably the best known film festival in the U.S.) was started by Robert Redford and is named after his most iconic character.
Paul Newman is my favorite actor of all time..Almost everything he is in is either great, or very good, but always very watchable..He commands the screen..I'll give you just a handful...."Hud"..."Cool Hand Luke" (my personal favorite).."Hudsucker Proxy"..."Road to Perdition"..."Absence of Malice"..."The Verdict"..The Sting"..The Hustler"..."The Cold of Money".."Cat On A Hot Tin Roof" ..and so many more.
Great stuff. I'm almost certain this means we'll be getting The Sting (brilliant conman/heist caper with the handsome boys reunited!) sometime soon then. I get the impression that when this first came out no one had seen a western like this before - the playful tone, the 60s music, the "modern" dialogue, definitely that late 60s onwards era when filmmakers decided they could shake things up.
Great reaction again Jen. I'm not sure if anyone mentioned yet, but the Sundance Film Festival was created by Robert Redford, and he named the film festival after the Sundance character in this movie. On another not - I did not know your sister did reactions too. I have seen her on here with you, but never made the connection that a few reactions i did on her channel was her! I finally figured it out after watching her Field of Dreams reaction.
The Image of Butch and Sundance, just before they are killed, became one of the Most Popular Posters of all time. A very large percentage of Women of All Ages had that Poster hanging in there Bedrooms! Robert Redford and Paul Newman were 2 of the biggest Male Film Stars of the era. Redford bought a huge piece of land in Utah, where this movie was made calling his Ranch Sundance. He also founded the "Sundance Film Festival"
I still remember the first time I watched this film. I was nine years old when it was released. The scene with Sundance returning to his lover, Katherine Ross, glued me to the idea that ladies were tantalizing valuables though I no longer believe that to be true! But the characters were memorable, and the music went on to become major hits! It was an interesting time to be alive!
I don't know if I'm the first to mention it, because I can't see all of the comments but the same director, George Roy Hill also teamed up with Redford and Newman in The Sting. But my favorite of Hill's, is when he directed Robin Williams in The World According to Garp.
Another great reaction to a great classic movie! I believe I heard you say this is your first Redford/Newman movie experience? We'll you are in for a treat if you watch any of their other films. And I usually don't recommend movies, but Paul Newman in "Cool Hand Luke", is an awesome movie that you would enjoy. The classic phrase from CHL is "What we got here is, failure to communicate..." Keep up the great reactions, Jen! 👍🎥🍿
Hi, Jen. You & Tara need to react together more. Fun fact: Robert Redford created the Sundance Film Festival held in Utah every year and named it for his character in this film. He just turned 86 years young on 8/18. Director George Roy Hill and Paul Newman are no longer with us but, allow me to remind you to react to THE STING (1973) now that you've seen this film. These actors and that director will be teamed up again and you'll love the musical adaptations by Marvin Hamlish of Scott Joplin's piano rags. That's a style called Ragtime from the late 19th & early 20th centuries. It works good by a band or an orchestra too. You stay classy, Jen.
@@larrystuder8543 Paul Newman's summer camp sounds familiar. I don't know when he started it. His charity food brand (Newman's Own) was started in the early 80s and lives on to this day. They're all probably inspired by his son (Scott, I think) who was in his 20s when Paul lost him tp drug abuse.
I saw a video here headlined as "Sam Elliot talks about Acting, Butch Casdidy, The Big Lebowski, " etc. I wondered which role he had in this-- even re-watching, with all those hints, I didn't catch that that was him. Thanx for the hint.
Another great reaction to a great movie. You can never go wrong watching a movie with Redford or Newman in it let alone both in the same movie. Katharine Ross was an excellent choice for playing Etta Place who was actually the outlaws companion. She was about 21, 22 when she first met Sundance in 1899
Nice reaction. Another good western by Paul Newman that isn’t often mentioned, is titled “Hombre” (1967). Newman is much more stoic in that film as a white man raised by native Americans.
The sheriff rounding up random people to go after them: this was common in areas of the US where police presence was light. They would round up a posse to serve for a specific duty.
Etta Place did travel south with Butch and Sundance. She faded into the mist shortly after returning to the US. It is believed she went home to have a baby that had not been fathered by either of her two companions.
The trackers, just like their unseen employer Mr. E.H. Harriman of the Union Pacific, were all faceless menaces. Cold, impersonal, almost inhuman forces. The opposite of the very human Butch and Sundance.
Robert Redford, The Sundance Kid, became the founder of the SUNDANCE FILM FESTIVAL; an easy way to remember who's who. The Hole in the Wall was in Wyoming, closer to the port of San Francisco; why did the trio go all the way to New York City to catch a ship to Bolivia, which is toward the western coast of South America? Lots of wasted money and mileage.
From the success of the film a TV series was later made called Alias Smith and Jones. It was with two different actors but they tried to keep the same brotherly friendship and humour which was shown in the film. I hope you can check out the TV series sometime, it was a classic western series.
Paul Newman also marketed some fine sauces, under the "Newman's Own" label, with a drawing of his face on the label. Pretty good spaghetti sauce & salad dressings.
Both were killed in a shootout in Bolivia in 1908. Etta Place's fate is unknown. She is believed to have left her lover shortly before the end and returned to the states. Last known sighting 1909 in San Fransisco. The bodies of two Americans killed in a gunfight with police were identified as being the outlaws by someone from a bank they robbed. Their bodies have never been positively found and identified and there is an unsubstantiated rumour that they both survived and returned to the states although this is considered highly unlikely. The Hole-in-the-Wall site is in Wyoming.
Thanks for choosing this, Jen. One of my favorite movies with Robert Redford is the more recent "An Unfinished Life," which also stars Jennifer Lopez and Morgan Freeman. I second the recommendation of Cool Hand Luke as a Paul Newman movie. I also like the later "Nobody's Fool," with Bruce Willis and Melanie Griffith.
The Rocky Mountains used to be honeycombed with hidden trails and hidey-holes from New Mexico to Alberta, known and used by many outlaws in the wild west. For this reason, it was nicknamed 'The Outlaw Trail,' and had entry and exit points near every settlement along its length, some more-or-less sympathetic to the free-spending ways of successful criminals.
Paul Newman was 43 when this movie was filmed. Robert Redford was 32. Katharine Ross was 28. (She's been married to Sam Elliott since the mid 80s) If you want a double feature idea, Paul Newman in The Hustler, and then him playing the same character in the sequel 25 years later with a young Tom Cruise.
Once a year a couple of hours away from where I live, they give a jeep tour of the hideout of the hole in the wall gang. it’s like this little oasis up in the barren mountains. Interesting to see remnants where they actually lived.
If you want a movie that is a feast for the eyes. Once Upon A Time in the West. It's a bit slow. But it's the perfect western. Sergio Leone was the director who did the Clint Eastwood Man with No Name and makes an amazing movie.
Paul Newman and Robert Redfod did the Sting 1973. It also features James Earl Jones' father aswell. Amazing Caper film. I do love Robert Redford in Three Days of Condor and the Sneakers. Paul Newman was just amazingly talented only matched by his looks. Too many films to list worth watching.
I imagine *_The Sting_* is being recommended (another _Redford_ & _Newman_ team up). I would also recommend *_Sneakers_* (1992) for a great _Redford_ film. As for westerns, I'd highly recommend *_Silverado_* (1985). It's a lot of fun, with a *great* cast. 🤠
This tale of Butch and Sundance is based on two actual outlaws and much of what is on screen accords with what is known about them. Neither Butch nor Sundance were what one would imagine as being typical outlaws of that time. Butch Cassidy, real name Robert LeRoy Parker, came from a Mormon family in Utah, while Sundance, real name Harry Longbaugh came from New York. Butch, as portrayed by Paul Newman in the movie, was known to be a rather easy going and pleasant character, who wasn't at all seen as a cold blooded killer. Neither was Sundance, portrayed here by Robert Redford, who had a reputation as a sure shot, was also not known to have killed anyone. Though Butch and Sundance tried to avoid harming anyone during their life of crime, there were others in their Hole in the Wall Gang who were killers. The movie is said to correctly portrayed Butch Cassidy's disdain for the advances in bank security technology at the turn of the twentieth century, and that disdain led him to turn his attention to robbing trains. The scence showing the train carriage exploding is said to be based on an actual event where too much explosives was used. Sundance's girlfriend Etta Place did accomany the two best friends on their journey to South America, firstly to Argentina, and then on to Bolivia, but she did leave them shortly before their alleged demise. To this day the real name and of Etta Place remains unknown, and she may in fact have gone straight and lived out the remainder of her life, never coming to the attention of the authorities who would have seen her as an accomplice in the crimes committed by Butch and Sundance. Oddly, there are some who might actually believe that Butch and Sundance may also have managed to escape from the law. While two Americans did die in 1908 in the incident portrayed in the final scene of the movie, it remains uncertain that those two men were Butch and Sundance. The graves of the two outlaws have never been identified in Bolivia, despite searches being conducted in the years since their alleged deaths. There have been various rumours that Robert LeRoy Parker visited his family and relatives in Utah sometime in the mid-1920s. Indeed, in the 1970s an old lady said to be Robert's much younger sister claimed that she met him for the one and only time in her life in 1925. Robert had left home and began his life of crime many years before she was born. These rumours and the absence of any evidence of a grave in Bolivia mean that the question of the robbers' deaths in 1908 remains uncertain.
There's a lot of mystery surrounding how they died in Bolivia. Etta went with them but no one is sure where or when she actually died in real life or even who she really was after she returned to the States.
Etta Place was a real teacher, and did travel with Butch & Sundance, though history does not reliably tell whether she was 'with' one, or the other, or both, or neither.
Criminals in the Army: yes. Very common practice for petty criminals. The judge upon sentencing would offer the option to join the military instead of jail. "Go to war or go to jail."
As they said at the beginning, this story is mostly true. There is no definitive answer as to how or where Butch and Sundance died. There are other stories, but this is a good one.
But now you have to watch The Sting. Same two stars, same director and a GREAT movie. In fact it won the Best Picture Oscar.
The movie Secondhand Lions was originally going to be a sequel to Butch and Sundance but Paul Newman turned it down because he didn't play "Old".
The Sting is a terrific film. And I'm a younger man. Wish they made such films in my time.
Hey, Jen-- that's another good movie to add to your list. Michael Caine & Robert DuValle, Second Hand Lions. . If we keep up with the suggestions, you'll be doing reaction videos for life.😉
@@tremorsfan that's an interesting notion. Michael Caine & Robert DuValle make that a good movie. Paul would have been better, maybe... It's a shame he wouldn't "play" old. Wouldn't have been much acting, by then he WAS... and of course, "I hold him in the highest respect..."
GREAT MOVIE, SAW IT WHERE I LIVE JUST OUTSIDE NEW YORK CITY BACK AROUND 73-74. ON A NEW TYPE OF MEDIUM, AT LEAST TO THIS AREA ANYWAY. IT WAS CALLED CABLEVISION Of LONG ISLAND. AND IT WAS WITH FIRST RUN MOVIES AFTER THEIR THEATRICAL RELEASES. WOUND UP FOR VIEWING MAYBE 6 MONTHS LATER. THERE WAS MAYBE ONE TO THREE MOVIES A MONTH AT THAT TIME. AND YOU TALK ABOUT HEAVY ROTATION. EACH FILM SEEMS TO BE ON ABOUT FIVE TIMES A DAY. OH AND IN MY HUMBLE OPINION. I THOUGHT ROBERT SHAW STOLE THE MOVIE ! TAKE CARE STAY SAFE AND BE WELL.
The Sting is good, but, IMO, a bit inferior to Butch and Sundance.
Always found it interesting that the wanted poster for real Bitch Cassidy described him as "friendly and affable." It was like they were saying "He's a wanted criminal, but you'll like him."
“Bitch Cassidy”
If you want to see these two guy pair up again watch, The Sting. A great Oscar winner.
One thing, the ending was left like that as Newman and Redford were such lovable characters and stars the filmmakers didn't really want to show you them dying horribly or it would have changed the movie considerably. Hence, the ending of them running into a blaze and freezing became one of most iconic endings ever filmed that's been copied ever since.
And it was done with a difficult and complex optical effect by L.B. Abbott. He actually snapping a full length picture of the guys alongside the movie camera and pasting and retouching that photo into an enlarged photo of the fort. When the matching film frame to the photo was found, that is where they froze and dissolved to the sepia-tone photo of them at the fort. And they pulled back of that still photo. The difficulty was making sure the dissolve was aligned and matched so that it looked entirely like the same picture.
now compare it with The Wild Bunch from the same year... both movies share similar themes but the treatment and tone are quite different, and they have similar endings but resolved in opposite ways
Blackadder did something very similar at the end of the fourth series in the First World War trenches.
Great reaction Jen. Both legendary actors have a lengthy filmography. For Paul Newman, I would recommend Cool Hand Luke (1967) and Absence of Malice (1981 w/Sally Field). Robert Redford movies to do are Three Days of the Condor (1975), All the Presidents Men (1976 w/Dustin Hoffman) and The Natural (1986). All great movies that nobody has reacted to on UA-cam yet. Thanks for all the hard work you do.
The Candidate is another good Redford movie.
For Redford recommendations, I would add:
Jeremiah Johnson
Brubaker
The Electric Horseman
Your 3 plus my 3 are my personal favorite 6 Redford movies. For reactions, I would probably suggest starting with The Natural.
Yes! Three Days of the Condor!
Also Color of Money with Newman and young Tom Cruise.
Excellent suggestions! I'd add "Torn Curtain" (1966) - can you imagine Paul Newman co-starring with Julie Andrews (of all people) in a Cold War thriller directed by Alfred Hitchcock? For Robert Redford, two more: "Spy Game" (2001), in which he stars with Brad Pitt - someone had the brilliant idea of co-starring the two "ultra-hunk" actors of their generations, and it worked beautifully. The other is "An Unfinished Life" (2005), starring Redford, Morgan Freeman, and Jennifer Lopez. Pairing Morgan Freeman with ANYBODY works well, and he and Redford are no exception. (Of the films I've mentioned, "An Unfinished Life" is the most "human interest"-y, with strong characters, and it's an overlooked gem.) I'm sure Jen would love these, even if she didn't do reactions.
They don't argue with Etta because of the reason she's leaving: remember she said she wouldn't watch them die. They all three know that time is coming and she is leaving, as stated in the terms she laid down.
Thanks for selecting this film (you polled it, I believe). THIS film is the standard bearer in buddy movies; Paul Newman & Robert Redford are unmatched against all others. Handsome, witty (great writing), charming with comedic timing, and charisma to spare.
Katherine Ross was excellent as the SMART and BEAUTIFUL co-conspirator in this film, too.
Great movie; it turned the western genre on its head when it came out.
"WE need a miracle here." Not "they," not "you," but "WE." I love how Jen is almost like a participant in the movies she reacts to rather than just a spectator.
You can't beat Newman and Redford together. Redford once filmed a movie called Brubaker not far from where I was living, a pretty decent film.
That was the first Redford movie I ever saw. Good movie that most people haven't seen.
@@bradpriebe9218 Remember the cameo with a young Morgan Freeman? :-)
@@marke8323 tbh, no I don't. It's been sooo long since I've seen it. I really need to watch it again soon.
Legendary actors, playing legendary figures. Many claim that Butch didn't die in S. America, but came back to Utah/Wyoming area several times, including Butch's sister and other family members.
Hi Jen.,once again great choice! These two actors were a dynamic pairing in their day. Try the film The Sting. Separate films (Newman),Cool Hand Luke. For (Redford) The Natural. Both great films IMO.
Quite a few reactors were doing The Sting a couple months back, but I haven’t seen anyone do Cool Hand Luke. Such a classic.
Two other films that Redford directed, but was not in-- The Milagro Beanfield War, and, The Legend of Bagger Vance... Bagger Vance has Wil Smith and Matt Damon, with Charlize Theron. It's a '30's golf movie and romance. Sounds dumb, right? A movie about GOLF? It's not, it's better than that. And Milagro Beanfield War is about a land/ water rights war in New Mexico. Half of the cast is the best Spanish speaking actors from the USA and Latin America, a bi-racial film. Lotta good folks in the supporting cast, and the story has folk tale elements about it...
I was going to suggest Newman in "The Hustler" (1961)
@@larrystuder8543 Bagger Vance is a great flick.
+1 for "The Natural." You don't need to be a baseball fan or even a sports fan to enjoy this great movie.
You said you thought Sundance would be the younger guy, and he was (in this movie): Redford was 11 years younger than Newman. The mustache must have fooled ya
Newman is a charismatic and captivating screen presence. His movies are all worth watching.
I agree, both he and Redford were true movie stars.
Agreed. Even right up to his final performance, which was terrific in Road To Perdition. 👏
Cool hand Luke is a must MUST see
@@BoomerandZoomerReacts I'll second the vote for 'Cool Hand Luke' and throw in 'Slap Shot'.
This movie is about changes in society. Butch and Sundance were the old way (wild), the trackers are the new relentless corporate power (structured and orderly). The bicycle represents mechanization.
In the end the new way beats the old way just like Paul Bunyan and Babe the Blue Ox were defeated.
Butch Cassidy and Harry Longbaugh (Sundance) were real. All of these types of films have to play with fact in order to be entertaining. But this one is less outrageous than a lot of them.
There's a theory that Butch actually survived and returned to the U.S. under an alias. Of course, there's rumors like that for almost every famous or infamous person. But that one has more cred than most. Probably not true, but possible.
You can see Newman and Redford paired up again, and with the same director, in "The Sting." And their antagonist is Robert Shaw (Quint from Jaws).
If the ending is how it happened, there is no way either one survived.
@@larryyeadeke2953 espacially the way they freeze it
@@larryyeadeke2953 There isn't a one hundred percent documented knowledge of how or even where they died. The filmed version is just that, one version of several that have been described but there really isn't enough historical knowledge of their deaths to be certain as to what ever happened to them.
@@88wildcat What I'm saying is if they came out of the building like they did in the movie, they died. No way all those military guys missed. Hell's bells, they were just waiting for them to come out.
Hey, Jen!!! 'Butch & Sundance' is one of the best. George Roy Hill did so many great movies, and this is one of the best. It won Best Screenplay, Best Score, Best Song, and Best Cinematography. It was also the first teaming of Redford and Newman, who would team up for 'The Sting' a few years later.
Katherine Ross (Etta) has basically retired from acting, but she is alive and well and married to Sam Elliott (the Cowboy in 'The Big Lebowski').
Robert Redford (Sundance) was one of the biggest stars of the late 1960s through the 1980s and became a voice for independent film in the 1990s through his Sundance Institute and The Sundance Film Festival which are in Provo, Utah. He originally named his ranch Sundance as well. He won two Oscars...one for Best Director for 'Ordinary People', his directorial debut, and for Lifetime Acheivement. He also played Secretary Alexander Pierce in the MCU (Captain America: The Winter Soldier & Avengers: Endgame) Must watches:
- 'The Way We Were' with Barbra Streisand
- 'The Sting' with Newman and Robert Shaw, also directed by George Roy Hill
- 'All The President's Men' with Dustin Hoffman. Redford as reporter Bob Woodward and Hoffman as reporter Carl Bernstein covering the Watergate break-in for The Washington Post. Also written by William Goldman.
- 'Up Close & Personal' with Michelle Pfeiffer.
Paul Newman (Butch)...one of Hollywood's greatest stars and greatest humanitarians. He married the beautiful Joanne Woodward, a big star in her own right. He won the Oscar for Best Actor as "Fast" Eddie Felson in 'The Color of Money' directed by Martin Scorsese, a role he played years earlier in a film called 'The Hustler'. He starred opposite Tom Cruise in the film. If you have ever bought any of the 'Newman's Own' brand of foods, you have given money to a company founded by Newman and Woodward that donates 100% of its profits to charities, including Newman's own 'Hole In The Wall Camps' for children who are seriously ill. Since 1982, it is estimated that Newman's Own products have raised anywhere from $500 million to $1 billion for charity. Must watches:
- 'Slap Shot', one of the funniest and most biting political movies ever...about a low-end ice hockey team.
- 'Cat On A Hot Tin Roof' with Elizabeth Taylor, from the Tennessee Willims play.
- 'Hud'
- 'Cool Hand Luke'
- 'The Sting' (yeah...again!!!)
- 'The Last Movie Stars', a new 2022 documentary for HBOMax directed by Ethan Hawke about Paul and Joanne. It is fascinating and doesn't shy away from the warts of their relationship or who they were. Taken from transcripts of an unfinished memoir Newman was planning and abandoned...Newman is voiced by George Clooney and Woodward by Laura Linney.
Of course, the screenplay by William Goldman is one of those perfect scripts, it was just a few years after this he would write the novel, 'The Princess Bride'...and you know that one! This won him his first Oscar for Best Screenplay, and he would win again in a few years for 'All The President's Men'.
Well done. That was a lot of reading, but it was worth it.
I would also add, The Great Waldo Pepper with Robert Redford. I heard that it was originally supposed to be another Paul Newman/Robert Redford movie, but it didn't work out. Why, I'm not sure.
@@THOMMGB Also directed by George Roy Hill. That one was fun. And, like Butch Cassidy, it has that sense of nostalgia for a vanished time.
Interesting that the first scene written for this movie by William Goldwin was the jump scene in the middle. He then had to figure out to get them from the beginning of the movie to the top of the hill and then how to get them from the river to Bolivia.
My freshman acting teacher introduced us to this movie, lovingly labeling it "the western for people who don't like westerns." And I've loved it ever since.
I never thought about the fact she said, "I won't watch you die. I'll miss that scene, thank you." And we never see them die, either. Fantastic direction.
I love this movie its a classic 👌
Highly recommend The Sting
Robert Redford, who played the Sundance Kid, is the founder of the Sundance Film Festival.
And Newman started a camp for kids with severe illnesses and called it the hole in the wall camp
Great movie for all the reasons including legendary chemistry between Redford and Newman. Screenwriter William Goldman had a fantastic ear for dialogue, and he has a ton of credits to prove it, including one of the most quoted films of all time, The Princess Bride (1987). From this movie, I find myself saying "Guns or knives?!" whenever an argument arises.
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Neither? LOL
The ending is exactly what Etta said: "...and I'll do anything you ask of me except one thing. I won't watch you die. I'll miss that scene if you don't mind."
Having the soldier's final intense volleys of fire done off-screen just makes it all the more tragic. One of the saddest endings to one of the best movies.
Yup. Absolutely do The Sting. I see a lot of movie suggestions for both Paul Newman and also for Redford. All good choices. Paul Newman started the Hole in the Wall Gang Camps for seriously ill children. His vision was to give these kids a chance to have some fun and "raise a Little Hell". He also started a line of food items called Newman's Own. Popcorn, salsa, salad dressings, pasta sauces and more. The bulk of his profits go to support the camp still. I believe he had that in his will. He and his wife (actress JoAnne Woodward) raised and donated a lot of money for various charities. Both outstanding (award winning) actors as well. The Sting is such a good movie!!!
I have such respect for Paul Newman & such a crush!
Let's hear it for Screenwriter William Goldman. Yeah! He wrote Butch & Sundance, Princess Bride, Marathon Man, and MORE!
Newman and Redford became best buds. The played tricks on each other.
Also, they did s routine at s theater in Connecticut, where they are
old and cannot remember each other. Very funny.
Your outlaw name: Jen "The Witch of the West" Murray. A pretty outlaw with a broom who covers her tracks.
Back then they did not ask to many questions when someone would join the army, so it was a great place for robbers and thieves to hide out, cooks would commit a robbery and then lay low in the army for the winter and when spring hit go find their hidden lute. They were called Winter Soldiers.
Yeah, there were so many lute-playing army cooks back then.
You should watch, The Sting.
Another movie with Newman and Redford together. Also the same director, George Roy Hill.
Brilliant. 👍
The sixties were an era where filmmakers were gradually breaking the mold on westerns. Traditionally, westerns were good guy vs. bad guy, white hats vs. black hats. This film turned the genre on its head making the bad guys into the charming heroes. It also revealed the incredible screen charisma between Paul Newman and Robert Redford. FYI the prevailing historical opinion is that they ended their days ranching in Argentina.
Newman and Redford also teamed up in "The Sting".
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Legend has it that Butch Cassidy and Sundance escaped from Bolivia and returned to the United States.
In the 1930s someone claimed to be Butch Cassidy.
writer of Butch Cassidy William Goldman and Princess Bride, took his mother to the premiere. After the film, William asked his elderly mother
" So Mom, What did you think ?? "
" Weren't the horses beautiful " was her response
😂😂
A bit of movie-turned-tv trivia ...
25:22 - This line directly inspired the TV series "Alias Smith and Jones" aired in the early 70s !!
Fun Fact - Harvey, the guy that challenge Butch in the knife fight, Ted Cassidy, played Lurch in The Addams Family that launched his career in many unique roles and characters.
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Is that same giant guy in happy Gilmore?
Not Glasses, Specs (for spectacles). Specs Murray, The Terror of the West.
Etta actually did leave. What became of her (or where she came from to begin with) is one of history's mysteries. There are 2 photos of her. One with Sundance all dressed up, and another of her with Butch and Sundance and a dog out in front of a small house.
Lol, "Butch Cassidy and Lord Valdemort"
Brilliant
In 1898 (They were talking about the Spanish-American War), bicycles were a major fad and bike shops were where Henry Ford built his first car.
This movie spawned a TV series called Smith and Jones. Strother Martin, the payroll guy, plays a major role in Cool Hand Luke.
"Harvey's a pretty big guy."
That's Ted Cassidy, the original Lurch from the Adams Family.
The movie that they watched in New York was "The Great Train Robbery. It was about them and it pissed them off . The movie showed several shootings and they never shot anyone.
You've got to watch "The Sing"
William Goldman wrote both this screenplay and that of "The Princess Bride". In the novel The Princess Bride, he claims that the cliff jump scene in Butch Cassidy was inspired by the Cliffs of Insanity in the (fictional) Morganstern book The Princess Bride: in reality, Goldman made up all three of them (both screenplays, and Morganstern himself).
Another piece of trivia: the Sundance film festival (probably the best known film festival in the U.S.) was started by Robert Redford and is named after his most iconic character.
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man,the critics hated this movie.but the public didnt think so one of the highest grossing movies of 1969.a beautiful western!
I have to agree about the music, not what I would expect for a western; but exactly what I would expect from Burt Bacharach.
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Paul Newman is my favorite actor of all time..Almost everything he is in is either great, or very good, but always very watchable..He commands the screen..I'll give you just a handful...."Hud"..."Cool Hand Luke" (my personal favorite).."Hudsucker Proxy"..."Road to Perdition"..."Absence of Malice"..."The Verdict"..The Sting"..The Hustler"..."The Cold of Money".."Cat On A Hot Tin Roof" ..and so many more.
Great stuff. I'm almost certain this means we'll be getting The Sting (brilliant conman/heist caper with the handsome boys reunited!) sometime soon then.
I get the impression that when this first came out no one had seen a western like this before - the playful tone, the 60s music, the "modern" dialogue,
definitely that late 60s onwards era when filmmakers decided they could shake things up.
Rip To A Great Actor Paul Newman,We Still Miss You Always
Butch and Sundance were killed by the Bolivian Army in 1908. Etta Place disappeared in Antofagasta, Chile a year after Butchband Sundance were killed.
They had trains, but seeing a bicycle was mind boggling.
I believe in one of the main lodges in Sundance, UT, the still frame at the end of the movie is mounted on the wall.
One Of My All Time Favorite Movie's, Classic
Great reaction again Jen. I'm not sure if anyone mentioned yet, but the Sundance Film Festival was created by Robert Redford, and he named the film festival after the Sundance character in this movie.
On another not - I did not know your sister did reactions too. I have seen her on here with you, but never made the connection that a few reactions i did on her channel was her! I finally figured it out after watching her Field of Dreams reaction.
The Image of Butch and Sundance, just before they are killed, became one of the Most Popular Posters of all time. A very large percentage of Women of All Ages had that Poster hanging in there Bedrooms! Robert Redford and Paul Newman were 2 of the biggest Male Film Stars of the era. Redford bought a huge piece of land in Utah, where this movie was made calling his Ranch Sundance. He also founded the "Sundance Film Festival"
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I still remember the first time I watched this film. I was nine years old when it was released. The scene with Sundance returning to his lover, Katherine Ross, glued me to the idea that ladies were tantalizing valuables though I no longer believe that to be true! But the characters were memorable, and the music went on to become major hits! It was an interesting time to be alive!
I don't know if I'm the first to mention it, because I can't see all of the comments but the same director, George Roy Hill also teamed up with Redford and Newman in The Sting. But my favorite of Hill's, is when he directed Robin Williams in The World According to Garp.
The most handsome men at the cinema....gotta love that redford blonde hair
Big guy with the knife in the fight was Ted Cassidy(no relation to Butch) who played Lurch in the Addams Family tv show!!
Another great reaction to a great classic movie! I believe I heard you say this is your first Redford/Newman movie experience? We'll you are in for a treat if you watch any of their other films. And I usually don't recommend movies, but Paul Newman in "Cool Hand Luke", is an awesome movie that you would enjoy. The classic phrase from CHL is "What we got here is, failure to communicate..." Keep up the great reactions, Jen! 👍🎥🍿
Hi, Jen. You & Tara need to react together more. Fun fact: Robert Redford created the Sundance Film Festival held in Utah every year and named it for his character in this film. He just turned 86 years young on 8/18. Director George Roy Hill and Paul Newman are no longer with us but, allow me to remind you to react to THE STING (1973) now that you've seen this film. These actors and that director will be teamed up again and you'll love the musical adaptations by Marvin Hamlish of Scott Joplin's piano rags. That's a style called Ragtime from the late 19th & early 20th centuries. It works good by a band or an orchestra too. You stay classy, Jen.
And another bit- Newman created and supported a summer camp for terminally ill children called The Hole in The Wall.
@@larrystuder8543 Paul Newman's summer camp sounds familiar. I don't know when he started it. His charity food brand (Newman's Own) was started in the early 80s and lives on to this day. They're all probably inspired by his son (Scott, I think) who was in his 20s when Paul lost him tp drug abuse.
Great reaction as usual Jen. Thanks for watching this movie,it’s one of my favourites and so is The Sting which is definitely worth a Captain Cook.
I saw a video here headlined as "Sam Elliot talks about Acting, Butch Casdidy, The Big Lebowski, " etc. I wondered which role he had in this-- even re-watching, with all those hints, I didn't catch that that was him. Thanx for the hint.
@@dggydddy59 IMDB lists Sam Elliot as " Card player # 2"
The card player who challenges Sundance was the main guy on Danger Bay, a Canadian show about the Vancouver Aquarium, iirc.
"Rules? In a knife fight?" I just love this movie so much.
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Hi Jen! Year I was born and love this film, Mr. Redford just turned 83! Perfect!
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Another great reaction to a great movie. You can never go wrong watching a movie with Redford or Newman in it let alone both in the same movie. Katharine Ross was an excellent choice for playing Etta Place who was actually the outlaws companion. She was about 21, 22 when she first met Sundance in 1899
Nice reaction. Another good western by Paul Newman that isn’t often mentioned, is titled “Hombre” (1967). Newman is much more stoic in that film as a white man raised by native Americans.
The sheriff rounding up random people to go after them: this was common in areas of the US where police presence was light. They would round up a posse to serve for a specific duty.
Etta Place did travel south with Butch and Sundance. She faded into the mist shortly after returning to the US. It is believed she went home to have a baby that had not been fathered by either of her two companions.
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Nice call in movies Jen, you are full of surprises.
The Worst going to the kid . Jen is straight up vicious! 😜
The trackers, just like their unseen employer Mr. E.H. Harriman of the Union Pacific, were all faceless menaces. Cold, impersonal, almost inhuman forces. The opposite of the very human Butch and Sundance.
Robert Redford, The Sundance Kid, became the founder of the SUNDANCE FILM FESTIVAL; an easy way to remember who's who. The Hole in the Wall was in Wyoming, closer to the port of San Francisco; why did the trio go all the way to New York City to catch a ship to Bolivia, which is toward the western coast of South America? Lots of wasted money and mileage.
From the success of the film a TV series was later made called Alias Smith and Jones. It was with two different actors but they tried to keep the same brotherly friendship and humour which was shown in the film. I hope you can check out the TV series sometime, it was a classic western series.
Paul and Robert remained very good friends for the rest of Paul's life.
Best mountain man movie: "Jeremiah Johnson" 1972 - D: Sidney Pollack; S: Robert Redford
I'll watch Jeremiah Johnson any time it's on.
Paul Newman also marketed some fine sauces, under the "Newman's Own" label, with a drawing of his face on the label. Pretty good spaghetti sauce & salad dressings.
Both were killed in a shootout in Bolivia in 1908. Etta Place's fate is unknown. She is believed to have left her lover shortly before the end and returned to the states. Last known sighting 1909 in San Fransisco. The bodies of two Americans killed in a gunfight with police were identified as being the outlaws by someone from a bank they robbed. Their bodies have never been positively found and identified and there is an unsubstantiated rumour that they both survived and returned to the states although this is considered highly unlikely. The Hole-in-the-Wall site is in Wyoming.
It’s interesting for me to think about them dying in 1908. My dad’s oldest brother was born in 1908. History isn’t as old as we sometimes think.
Thanks for choosing this, Jen. One of my favorite movies with Robert Redford is the more recent "An Unfinished Life," which also stars Jennifer Lopez and Morgan Freeman. I second the recommendation of Cool Hand Luke as a Paul Newman movie. I also like the later "Nobody's Fool," with Bruce Willis and Melanie Griffith.
The Rocky Mountains used to be honeycombed with hidden trails and hidey-holes from New Mexico to Alberta, known and used by many outlaws in the wild west. For this reason, it was nicknamed 'The Outlaw Trail,' and had entry and exit points near every settlement along its length, some more-or-less sympathetic to the free-spending ways of successful criminals.
Paul Newman was 43 when this movie was filmed. Robert Redford was 32. Katharine Ross was 28. (She's been married to Sam Elliott since the mid 80s) If you want a double feature idea, Paul Newman in The Hustler, and then him playing the same character in the sequel 25 years later with a young Tom Cruise.
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Paul Newman is absolutely the most beautiful man who ever lived and this is not up for debate
You are right, Sundance kid was played by the younger actor!
One of my ALL time favorite movies!!!
Once a year a couple of hours away from where I live, they give a jeep tour of the hideout of the hole in the wall gang. it’s like this little oasis up in the barren mountains. Interesting to see remnants where they actually lived.
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If you want a movie that is a feast for the eyes. Once Upon A Time in the West. It's a bit slow. But it's the perfect western. Sergio Leone was the director who did the Clint Eastwood Man with No Name and makes an amazing movie.
"This is no time for bravery.....ill let you" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
'3 Days of the Condor' is my fav Redford movie...=)
“Who are those guys?”
Paul Newman and Robert Redfod did the Sting 1973. It also features James Earl Jones' father aswell. Amazing Caper film. I do love Robert Redford in Three Days of Condor and the Sneakers. Paul Newman was just amazingly talented only matched by his looks. Too many films to list worth watching.
He is a sex symbol number 1
Love your reaction. Paul Newman is the coolest.
I imagine *_The Sting_* is being recommended (another _Redford_ & _Newman_ team up). I would also recommend *_Sneakers_* (1992) for a great _Redford_ film.
As for westerns, I'd highly recommend *_Silverado_* (1985). It's a lot of fun, with a *great* cast. 🤠
I've been trout fishing in the Powder river. You can see the caves or the hole in the wall
Another great Redford movie is "Jeremiah Johnson". Well worth a watch.
Always snicker when they say “who are these guys?”
The sheriff is tghe same actor who plays the "sheriff" in Young Frankenstein.
This tale of Butch and Sundance is based on two actual outlaws and much of what is on screen accords with what is known about them. Neither Butch nor Sundance were what one would imagine as being typical outlaws of that time. Butch Cassidy, real name Robert LeRoy Parker, came from a Mormon family in Utah, while Sundance, real name Harry Longbaugh came from New York. Butch, as portrayed by Paul Newman in the movie, was known to be a rather easy going and pleasant character, who wasn't at all seen as a cold blooded killer. Neither was Sundance, portrayed here by Robert Redford, who had a reputation as a sure shot, was also not known to have killed anyone. Though Butch and Sundance tried to avoid harming anyone during their life of crime, there were others in their Hole in the Wall Gang who were killers. The movie is said to correctly portrayed Butch Cassidy's disdain for the advances in bank security technology at the turn of the twentieth century, and that disdain led him to turn his attention to robbing trains. The scence showing the train carriage exploding is said to be based on an actual event where too much explosives was used. Sundance's girlfriend Etta Place did accomany the two best friends on their journey to South America, firstly to Argentina, and then on to Bolivia, but she did leave them shortly before their alleged demise.
To this day the real name and of Etta Place remains unknown, and she may in fact have gone straight and lived out the remainder of her life, never coming to the attention of the authorities who would have seen her as an accomplice in the crimes committed by Butch and Sundance. Oddly, there are some who might actually believe that Butch and Sundance may also have managed to escape from the law. While two Americans did die in 1908 in the incident portrayed in the final scene of the movie, it remains uncertain that those two men were Butch and Sundance. The graves of the two outlaws have never been identified in Bolivia, despite searches being conducted in the years since their alleged deaths. There have been various rumours that Robert LeRoy Parker visited his family and relatives in Utah sometime in the mid-1920s. Indeed, in the 1970s an old lady said to be Robert's much younger sister claimed that she met him for the one and only time in her life in 1925. Robert had left home and began his life of crime many years before she was born. These rumours and the absence of any evidence of a grave in Bolivia mean that the question of the robbers' deaths in 1908 remains uncertain.
There's a lot of mystery surrounding how they died in Bolivia. Etta went with them but no one is sure where or when she actually died in real life or even who she really was after she returned to the States.
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Etta Place was a real teacher, and did travel with Butch & Sundance, though history does not reliably tell whether she was 'with' one, or the other, or both, or neither.
You said you thought the Sundance Kid would be younger. He is, by 11 years. This was 1969. Paul was born in 1925 and Robert 1936.
Criminals in the Army: yes. Very common practice for petty criminals. The judge upon sentencing would offer the option to join the military instead of jail. "Go to war or go to jail."