My Ex wife almost killed me. I almost bled to death. I was encouraged to “separate” because she had a serious mental illness, even allowed to get a legal divorce, but not allowed to remarry or date until I had “proof” she had slept with someone else. It’s insanity.
My ex husband was toxic as well. He would come home bragging about all the men who wanted to have sex with him. He lied constantly. I was trapped because there was only one “witness “ to his adultery and no confession. I finally got out almost 5 years ago. The last I heard is that he’s in good standing with “privileges” even though he abandoned his family🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🔥
@@stellawil Exactly. The reality of being a good person and living a “Christian lifestyle” means nothing. It’s following the rules in public and keeping up appearances that everyone cares about. It’s ridiculous
@@deejay1216 Yes. Legally we are. If we so much as go on a date and get caught, it would be considered “immoral thoughts” because she’s not free to remarry according to them and as a result, we would both be disfellowshipped aka shunned by all friends and family. She was born and raised a JW so for her, she would be losing all her friends and all her family. And her sin? Divorcing a mentally ill, abusive man, for her health and safety. A man who was clearly being unfaithful but won’t admit it, and wasn’t caught red handed. Two years later she’s considering entering into an actual loving, healthy relationship with someone that absolutely cherishes her…she should be shunned, ignored, treated as if she were dead. I’m sure that’s what the most powerful being in the universe wants….the most fair and true god would want her to suffer and risk her life or be punished and lose her family. Keep in mind, they forbid couples to spend any time alone in the first place, so her ex was able to hide his actually personality from her or she never would have married him. He’s puts on a very good front on the surface… Oh and if her family does talk to her anyway, they would become df’d and shunned as well. Their sin? Speaking to her lol Meanwhile, the one person committing actual violent domestic abuse is allowed to remain in good standing with the JWs with no repercussions at all. It’s clown world, sorry for the rant!
@@deejay1216 I understand and appreciate your response. I was DEEPLY indoctrinated. It took 2 years post cult to realize my freedom to date and move on.
The girl I’m seeing is a practicing JW. I was raised one but haven’t been going for 20 years. Anyway, she was married to a physically and mentally abusive partner. It was causing her serious health issues. She was allowed to get a legal divorce and an approved “separation” in the eyes of the JWs, but she’s not allowed to remarry or even date or be seen with a male friend until her ex remarries or admits to having sex with someone else. He’s not going to do that, because he knows that’s how to keep hurting her. So we have to hide it from the world that we hang out together for fear of her losing her family and friends (she’d be instantly disfellowshipped). They honestly expect a 29 year old woman to remain single for potentially the rest of her life, even though we aren’t designed to live alone and she wasn’t safe staying with her ex. It makes no sense. My Ex wife wasn’t a JW, so once we got divorced, she was open about new relationships so I’m technically clear to remarry lol It’s a clown show
Their sex rules are the least thing to be proud of. But they will never change them. Because they are the deepest way to control people. Have someone accept your rules over their sexuality and you have full power over the individual.
Exactly. Why do you think sex is in the first tier of the basic needs hierarchy piramide of Maslow? It's in our human nature. If you can control a human need you can control humans.
During a Bible study in the chapter on sexual immorality, a student had asked if the position of the "Doggy style" was a correct position for the JWs. The elder immediately reacted by saying that this sexual position was bestiality because it was practiced by animals. I was very embarrassed by this categorical answer but the student was sufficiently indoctrinated to accept this answer...
is that now „douce France“ at your former congregation ? doggy style seen as bestiality??? even the Shepherd book doesn t go so far! this elder should learn about the definitions or read the Mosaic Law which is very explicit.
@@slimfadey1901 A married jw female friend, whose husband was non jw, wrote the branch to enquire whether oral sex was permitted by Jehovah. Of course they replied, "No" with a BS explanation that sex is meant for procreation.
@@disassociated1731 Exactly! Small wonder so many jw couples are unhappy. If sex was meant only for procreation, we would have needed two more planets to inhabit. The pleasure of sex determines the procreation aspect. Were it not for the pleasure, the animal/human race would have been extinct long long ago.
Anyone else creeped out by old man Lett up there speaking about sexuality to an audience full of young children at their family worship night? That the real perversion.
Jehovahs witness husbands and wives have free range to unleash every manner of torment and abuse on there spouse just as long as they don’t have an affair the abused spouse can never leave. Best Life Ever
Hi Lloyd,warm greetings from Edinburgh 🙋♀️ I hope your videos will wake up as many as possible.What a cruel religion.I can't belive I allowed myself to become one of them...But thankfully I am out...People like you doing fantastic job.Thank you my fellow human 👊☀️
Their obsession with stopping people having sex before marriage - and even dictating to married people what kind of sex they can have - is perverse and evil. I was raised in this cult and was a virgin when I got married. My ex wife was also raised in it also. It set us up for a disastrous marriage, because she was a depressed bisexual. It caused nothing but heartache for our son, me and even her. The idea of not having sex before marriage is deeply unhealthy - I speak from experience. How are two people to know if they are sexually compatible? And what happens when you only get to find out after entering a supposedly lifelong commitment. This cult is the epitome of Evil. It steals people's lives, it wrecks their lives, and even takes them. Thank you Lloyd for the work you're doing.
Maybe even people outside the cult need a greater awareness of sexual compatibility and different sexual orientations. i agree that the strict rules of the cult really set people up for failure and misery, and I am sorry it happened to you and your family. Yet, for some reason, even a lot of people who do have sex before marriage still end up marrying someone with whom they are not sexually compatible. When you are very much in love you just hope it will work out in the end, and sometimes it does (and also people value the importance of sex in a relationship very differently, for some it is not all that important, while for others it really is), but often it doesn't.
@@mailill i agree. The awareness i had after the cult showed me how much such problems are also part of „normal“ society! Not to the same degree of course, but they are there nevertheless.
Sorry to hear of your misfortunes, and obviously everything you have said is correct. But let's not forget the added incentive of sexually repressed and hormone laden young people, believing that conventional Christian marriage is their only hope of fulfilling their carnal desires. Naturally they tend to want to rush into marriage and not find a truly compatible partner first. They are also isolated from mainstream society due to most people naturally expect their partner to be sexually active and available. They tend to be forced to hook up only with someone they meet at church and then hurry up to get a ring on, so they can get their rocks off. That's a stupid way to motivate a healthy long-term relationship, but should you stray from the prenuptial abstinence template, you then risk shame, guilt and stigma, to poison your mental health and cause long term trauma.
If I am not mistaken, the comparison between homosexuality and left-handedness comes from the late journalist Randy Shilts. Shilts was best known as the author of And The Band Played On, which detailed the early days of the AIDS pandemic. Shilts was certainly knowledgeable about LGBT issues (he was a gay man himself, and died of AIDS complications in 1994). However, he was not a physician or a psychologist, not an “expert” in the sense Lett seems to suggest.
I mean - the comparison isn't even that weird Being left handed is something that doesn'T occur so often, but it is a normal thing, that is just .. a little bit different from the masses. Also there was such a long time where being left handed wasn't excepted and kids in school got beaten up from the teachers fror writing with the left hand.
What 2 consenting adults wish to do sexually is no one's business, least of all pompous self righteous fools like Stephen Lett ! Furthermore, the fact that he would rather see a woman battered, bruised and put in grave danger by an abusive husband than for her to leave him and find a decent man who will love her and give her a peaceful life...that is just despicable!
I'm glad I got out before I was baptized in highschool, and really glad that my small group of friends in highschool let me have the time and space to get the clarity I needed to see the bs and leave fairly unscathed compared to many peoples stories here.
@Nicholas Copsey Same here. My best school friend called mac, and his siblings where raised JW by a former homosexual (he claimed it saved him from the lifestyle but everyone knew he was doing it with strangers very early in tne mornings.)they used to take me along to kingdom hall meetings, mac broke away from the faith and I havent heard from him since.
It pisses me off beyond words that having your spouse beat the shit out of you isn't a good enough reason to divorce. Is a spouse allowed to remarry if they kill their partner?
Wow. Just so much hatred, & judgement of others. Nothing remotely "spiritual" about this degree of ignorance / desire for controlling & condemning others.
Perhaps Stephie will come out of the closet soon. Let's hope he can show his true self one day. This is the only reason I can think of that he is so fanatical about this subject. He reminds me of the fanatical politician who votes against all rights to the LGB+ for years, but is soon caught with his same-sex partner whilst his wife is on vacation.
Yeah, so evidently a spouse physically abusing their partner isn't a good enough reason for divorce but if they cheat on you, that is the only justifiable reason. This from the same book that sanctions polygamy and slavery. Also, who was this expert that Stephen Lett that he was supposedly quoting?
@@My_Fair_Lady I'm really sorry that your divorce was so painful. In my case, though, it freed me from a life of verbal abuse, controlling behaviour and constant sadness. I married again, to a wonderful man, and my life has changed completely. I suppose we are at the opposite ends of the experience. I hope you have recovered somewhat from the pain you suffered, and I send you my very best wishes.
As a good JW girl, I married young, so there would be no sex before I was married. What I really wanted to do was get a job, rent an apartment with another jw friend and have freedom from my parents. I was told by my parents I could only move out when I married. I was motivated to do nothing... So I married the first JW who asked me. No one thought, in my family or even myself, was he a good person. Turns out he was not a good person and was actually abusive, he had quite the temper and had been before the elders. A circuit overseer and his wife, who I was really close to, tried to warn me but it was too late by that time I was engaged. If I broke it off I would have been in trouble with the elders in my congregation. So with my inexperience on the matter of red flags and abusive men, I went ahead with the marriage. It was not a happy time in my life but it was also the catalyst that opened my eyes up and I eventually left the religion. Honestly, I could have skipped the abuse that happened in my life but it also woke me up that this religion was not right. So in a strange way I'm thankful that happened. Thinking back, it was probably the only thing that could have broke that thought of -- I would be a Jehovah's Witness for my entire life. But it does not excuse the religions policy about divorce and an abusive spouse. The sad thing is always about the woman not being a good enough wife and that's why she's abused. It's a sick religion, plain and simple.
I was just the opposite. Although I wanted a wife, I waited till about 23/24 to let it be known that I wanted a wife. You know, the whole Waiting until after the bloom of youth thing. I didn't want to sin. I wanted everything to be done honestly and above board and acceptable to Jehovah and the congregation. That's why I asked for help in finding a mate. Isn't that a lot better than just going up to every woman I see and saying hey are you single, want to court me? I'm sure I would have gotten reproved for doing that. I wanted a young woman that felt the same way as I did, wanted a marriage mate. But I was met with antagonism and rebuke. The elders spread around the congregation that I could be doing more. I was called spiritually dead and bad association. One elders wife said that I should s*** or get off the toilet. In other words do more or get out. Well, I worked up enough courage to take it upon myself to write a single JW a letter with a view to courtship. I never received a response. It would have been nice to get a reply even if just to say she wasn't interested. But like I said, what JW woman would want anything to do with me after hearing that I was spiritually dead and bad association. As it turns out, I later learned that she has since been with three worldly men. Surely I wasn't any worse than those guys.
@@extraterrestrial4287 what a let down the elders were to you. I saw this in my congregation and a few others as well so I think it was pretty common but if you weren't in the "IN" group/click, you weren't invited to get togethers, you know what normal people call parties, or any activity they did together everyone else was not considered strong... Think it had to do more with clicks then if someone was strong or not. I was so tired of that when I left cuz I was sort of in and sort of out of the in group. JW's are so damaging to fellow JW's. If you ever did get married in the religion I hope she left with you.
@@deborahd4310 no, I never did marry a Jehovah's Witness and I'm divorced now and at this point I give up on love. All I want now is health wealth and power. Been thinking about getting a really fancy motorcycle with just one seat.
@@extraterrestrial4287 - you are so lucky that you didn't marry one. Many are trapped in unhappy unions that are nothing more than roommate situations because of the divorce policy.
More than one of my JW girlfriends have breathed a huge (contented) sigh of relief *after I demonstrated my stance on providing them their 'oral due'!!!* 👍👍❤❤
Thank you Lloyd. These GB people. are sex obsessed, and it funnels down the line to committee meetings in their Kingdom Halls. Young children being molested and raped, are of not much interest to them. This a very screwed up religion. Right after I got married, an elder came up to me, out of the blue at the hall and said, "I suppose (*******) my husband is active in bed"? Was I supposed to answer out of my experience with others men? My husband was my one and only. So stupid. His words shocked me. They want access to your bedroom, it is true.
Unfortunately, Lett’s attitude is once again becoming popular with not just religious, but non-religious people as well. Pandora’s Box has long been opened and it’s never getting closed back again.
I had a really good friendship with one of the sisters that I was studying with and she was divorced, all her children grown clear for marriage. They were both around the same age in their 50s, and he was an elder. I kinda set them up or I guess planted the seed. They were soon engaged and got married. Dude had been raised "the truth" which means.....HE WAS A VIRGIN!!😆😭😂That poor man! Poor her too. But last I talked with her she said "he's getting the hang of it." It's just so wrong. They stole his innocent, formative years and they'll do it anyone too. We are supposed to experiment, it's how we learn about ourselves and our bodies, our partners, and how we relate to the world around us.
You are doing so much “service “ for people trapped inside thanks Lloyd….I’d rather know than be an ostrich….. anyone staying clear of these con men is better off…Facts evidence and logic….irrefutable rooting for you and the entire ex jw UA-cam community it warms my heart to know we are all going through this healing process and the only mental disease we have is the ability to detect bs…. Whatever we all agree or disagree on…. I’m quite sure we all agree this cult needs to be exposed…..because they are cruel bullies and dogmatic selfish and narcissistic arrogant and unreasonable and they are afraid…. I hope they continue to make your job easy by putting themselves more and more in the spotlight….. it’s absolutely incredible to see this development in our generation whereby they are finally getting the publicity they deserve…. Only the best to you and your hard work sir!
I just wanna say this for the hell of it I’m 37 years old and am still a Virgin because my mom raised me as a Jehovah’s Witness I probably could have had sex back when I was between the ages of 16-21 but now it feels almost impossible because I haft to stay hear and help my dad deal with my mom because she has dementia
damn man, In my humble opinion I believe the best thing you can do for your mental well being is to seek out an escort. Personally I never have as I escaped the org at 20 and by 21 finally started dating but I know a few ex witnesses who have used an escort to “break the ice” into sexual activity and that gave them the confidence to start dating without this burden and uncertainty of virginity hanging over them…there is more to life then Sex but literally having sex is the only other use for your genitals lol, you urinate and you ejaculate its part of being a human and something you instinctually desire no matter what religion you were brainwashed in
@@cherylseebreth328 and also I’ve tried to talk to girls online in a ex Jehovah’s Witness group about what I find attractive on girls like clothes for example and they all started to get offended and mad at me for it
It is never too late. I met a lady once who was single and a virgin until she was 51, which was when she met her current husband. And I know a few others (men and women) who were virgins into their late twenties and mid thirties. Most of them now have life partners. But you might have to put in some effort to meet the right person, they usually don't magically teleport themself into your house. And you might have to risk some rejections and some awkward situations. I am sorry about your mother. That must be so difficult.
@@slayerdearly Please DO NOT GO online. Online is unkind to men, especially an inexperienced man which you are. If you live in Europe or in North America, talk to a psychologist who should be able to recommend a decent prostitute who will show you the ropes. A few sessions later, boosted confidence, you will find a woman with whom you can do your thing.
As someone who left the truth at the age of 20, it certainly left a mark and continues to mess with me at the age of 42. I might just leave you a voicemail with details as to why.
I've just found your channel and just watched this one tonight. I love how the wording of an abusive husband (partner) is always "an unbelieving husband" because as we all know, no Wittness is capable of physically abusing their mates (or sexually abusing children....in fact that is such an incapablity that in order to accuse someone of sexual abuse, you need TWO more people to say they saw it happen! My birth father was very mentally abusive to my sister (because she had a learning disability and that embarrassed him) and to my mom and on occasion he did get physical with my mom. My mom went to the elders several times and she was always told to be loyal and obedient. Even my Aunt went and pleaded with them to get involved before it got worst. My mom ended up cheating on my Dad so she could get out of the marriage. Of course, my mom was disfellowshipped. My Dad? Well, he went on to marry and become a ministerial servant.
Jeez Louise, Lloyd. We’ve seen this man say some CRAZY things but, yeah, this is both a Thought control AND antiSex manifesto. These guys are further out of touch with this world than ever. Bizarre and very scary. (Keep up the great work, my friend)
I'd bet the bundle that Brother Lett has had more than a few lecherous thoughts. He looks like a real libertine to me, given the chance. Probably the only thing that saved him was lack of chance.+
Excellent point Lloyd…music such a powerful tool and they exploit it so well…classic Jw move, accusing other of the exact thing you do. Cheers from SO Cal.
@Jeffrey Wedekind - what percentage would you say is a disaster? I would assume that most feel trapped physically, mentally, emotionally...which, in and of itself, is horrible.
@@Ava2969ny Well when I was young in a small congregation it seemed different, most were good people just hoping for the new system. Later when I came back 20 years later it felt different, I married a pioneer sister. She was abused by her stepfather elder but even with that I never should have married her. The bubble they live in, the blind faith, etc. was just creepy. But after watching 100's of ex-JW video's and reading the comments it is clear JW's do not have pleasant family lives. Mine was awful and I still carry the scars from it and the depression of this system dragging on is taking a toll on people. I've met so many smart young kids that became carpet cleaners that should have become engineers, etc. and that makes for a miserable life. The elder I told you about and my ex told me stories that were just depressing.
@@rockpadstudios - I don't understand what you mean by ""even with that I never should have married her" -- are you stating that she was damaged and so therefore not wife-material? I hope that's not what you are saying because she was damaged through no fault of her own. And indoctrination as a whole (it doesn't matter what religion) contributes to poor family relationships and unhappiness.
The irony of the double standards gay corn is judicial worthy yet if one is married and has cheated with someone of the same gender that’s not grounds for divorce. Were they drunk when they wrote this?
@@DM-he1ug also porneia is a made up jw term. The elders even encouraged the couple to get back together as it wasn’t grounds for divorce only temporary separation
It is easier to make the average person feel guilty about lust than kicking the neighbours dog since all of us are attracted to others on a regular basis where as most don’t kick dogs. Guilt feelings make control of that person easier since they have already come to the conclusion they are “bad”.
So IF ??? this is the case, and the ( ONLY) reason to get a divorce is due to sexual immorality fornication or adultery, are you kidding me ???, what if your mate, wife or husband hit each other every night , and abuse one or the other physically, and will not stop doing such , do you mean to tell me according to that bible, a wife for example must still stay in that marriage and continue to put up with her husband's abuse. BULL S it, let this Lett stay married to his wife if? she hits him every night and abuses him physically or mentally, I for one would NEVER stay married to any women for example only. IF?? she continued to fight and abuse me or my kids as a example. the hell what the bible says about such matters., IMO
THE BIBLE SIMPLY PRESENTED TO IMPERFECT, SUFFERING, AND DYING HUMAN BEINGS NOT DEBATES ABOUT RELIGIONS, GOD AND GODS BUT A REAL, EXISTING, AND RAGING BATTLE TO THE DEATH - SATAN'S ANTI-CHRISTS VS. the CREATOR'S CHRIST ETERNAL DEATH, just worthless and useless dusts on earth forever as CONSEQUENCE for the vanquished ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth as HONOR and REWARD for the victors Imperfect, suffering, and dying human beings who believe, debate, preach and argue about the LIES and foolishness of SATAN's ANTI-CHRISTS about Armageddon, rapture, Trinity, Immortality of the souls or the heaven and hellfire, and reincarnation are hateful, unkind, and worthless human beings - a) who can't be trusted with anything b) incapable of treating their co-human beings with kindness and respect c) not worthy and deserving to live and last on earth forever. ETERNAL DEATH as CONSEQUENCE - Hateful, unkind, and worthless ATHEISTS, AGNOSTICS, AND FANATICS of ALL RELIGIONS will just become worthless and useless dusts on earth forever after their deaths as the CONSEQUENCE of their Satanic HATRED and rejection of the CREATOR's Sovereignty, love, kindness, mercy and his CHRIST's TRUTHS and righteousness about the Kingdom of God and Resurrection of the Dead as worthless and useless, no value whatsoever in their lives and existence. ETERNAL LIFE as HONOR and REWARD - All imperfect, suffering, and dying human beings who believe the TRUTHS and righteousness of the CREATOR's CHRIST about the Kingdom of God and Resurrection of the Dead will be REWARDED and HONORED by the CREATOR with ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, griefs, pains, sickness, and deaths. Worshippers of the Creator and believers of his Christ will also become worthless dusts on earth after their deaths, but they will not remain as dusts forever for at the Creator's own good time, he will let Jesus Christ resurrect them back to life, after which they can fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the CREATOR and his CHRIST for eternity as submissive and obedient subjects of the Kingdom of God under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler, Jesus Christ. The loving, kind, and merciful CREATOR will let his loving, kind, and respectful worshippers enjoy for eternity a safe and peaceful planet earth without terrorists, criminals, and militaries, without arrogant, cruel, and hateful atheists, agnostics, and fanatics of religions, without liars, slanderers, deceivers, and hypocrites, without funeral homes and cemeteries.
Lloyd, I think he plagiarised the quote from former High court judge, Justice Michael Kirby, he states " my brother was left-handed, and I was gay" cheers and have a great day.
This sushi has his subject about different ways of living 1 The will of the nations 2 The will of God In faith, man and wife become 1 flesh. In faith, adultery is a serious case. Repentance and forgiveness, ways to recover. Doing the will of the nations, free will. Since Jehovah God is the Almighty, the Sovereign Ruler of the universe, and the Creator of all things, he alone has absolute, unlimited freedom.All others must move and act within the limitations of ability given them and subject themselves to his universal laws. The freedom of all of God’s creatures is therefore a relative freedom. Today, which freedom is accomplished through the nations? A wonderfull world yes!
Not in all faiths:) look at islam where divorce is permitted, just an example…Lets hope many people will recover from religion and especially from christian extreme laws, designed for people who are eager to go to heaven and change their animal body to a spiritual one, without sex or marriage…
Just one point, most popular sources don’t show their citations either. I do shudder a little every time I just see “research shows that . . .” but it’s more common than you think. If you want to see religious, Christian writings that do show their research in APA format, I suggest you check out Apologetics Press or Think magazine.
FACING ALL IMPERFECT, SUFFERING, AND DYING HUMAN BEINGS IS NOT DEBATES ABOUT RELIGIONS, GOD AND GODS BUT A REAL, EXISTING, AND RAGING BATTLE TO THE DEATH - ETERNAL DEATH, just worthless and useless dusts on earth forever as CONSEQUENCE for the vanquished ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth as HONOR and REWARD for the victors ETERNAL DEATH as CONSEQUENCE - Imperfect, suffering, and dying ATHEISTS, AGNOSTICS, AND FANATICS of ALL RELIGIONS will just become worthless and useless dusts on earth forever after their deaths as the CONSEQUENCE of their Satanic HATRED and rejection of the CREATOR's Sovereignty, love, kindness, mercy and his CHRIST's TRUTHS and righteousness about the Kingdom of God and Resurrection of the Dead as worthless and useless, no value whatsoever in their lives and existence. ETERNAL LIFE as HONOR and REWARD - All imperfect, suffering, and dying human beings who believe the TRUTHS and righteousness of the CREATOR's CHRIST about the Kingdom of God and Resurrection of the Dead will be REWARDED and HONORED by the CREATOR with ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, griefs, pains, sickness, and deaths. Worshippers of the Creator and believers of his Christ will also become worthless dusts on earth after their deaths, but they will not remain as dusts forever for at the Creator's own good time, he will let Jesus Christ resurrect them back to life, after which they can fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the CREATOR and his CHRIST for eternity as submissive and obedient subjects of the Kingdom of God under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler, Jesus Christ. The loving, kind, and merciful CREATOR will let his loving, kind, and respectful worshippers enjoy for eternity a safe and peaceful planet earth without terrorists, criminals, and militaries, without arrogant, cruel, and hateful atheists, agnostics, and fanatics of religions, without liars, slanderers, deceivers, and hypocrites, without funeral homes and cemeteries.
I love the way that Stephen Lett criticises Hollywood over using EXACTLY the same techniques as JW boradcasting!! He even mentions the 'romantic' music - you HYPOCRITE!!
So sexual immorality is the only valid reason for divorce? What if a women is being beaten by her husband? I guess that is not a valid reason for divorce in JW land .
@@DM-he1ug Watchtower knows nothing about origin of the institution of marriage. The church adopted it long after it was instituted and of course threw a God into the mix.
Sorry I can't figure out how to upload the video! Central Pa, Lancaster County 10/27, Channel 8 news reports Four men from Pa. arrested 4 sexually abusing 19 children in the JW organization over an unknown period of time as reported by Josh Shapiro, Pa District Attorney! The four were arrested today with the last defendant committing suicide when police arrived to arrest him! Mr Shapiro in his statement to the press made it clear that no one using any"cloak" is above the law! He also emphasized how repulsive he found this situation to be due to hiding behind a "Cloak"! I hope you are aware of this or are able to search for the story!
When I was still in the organization I justified our stance on homosexuality because it was only the act that was condemned. Not the person. It was no different than a straight person who couldn't find a marriage mate not being allowed to have sex. As a single person I couldn't have sex either. While that is accurate to the official position, the nuance of it seemed to be lost on a whole lot of people. Setting aside the difference between telling someone they can't have sex right now and telling someone they can never have romantic love, there were still plenty of people who said horribly homophobic things, even within the framework of their stated position (i.e. using slurs). Friends of mine in person, elders from the platform and governing body members to the entire organization.
It's litterally laughable. 😁 Thought crimes all way thru. Also, you don't have the right to dictate what's morally right or wrong for other people in specific situations. They are confusing thoughts, fantasies and feelings with motives which is another thing entirely. Whatching a movie featuring a robbery and hoping the criminals will get a way with it in the movie is not at all the same as beginning to plan a robbery yourself.
The nations and their 'freedom' .... Different ways to exploit people while they do not know, Lloyd has is way, isn't it? Today, o goats, here is your shepherd; Lloyd Evans!! A guide of disobedient peoples for is own greatness and merchandise, bravo, bravo.
My Ex wife almost killed me. I almost bled to death. I was encouraged to “separate” because she had a serious mental illness, even allowed to get a legal divorce, but not allowed to remarry or date until I had “proof” she had slept with someone else. It’s insanity.
My ex husband was toxic as well. He would come home bragging about all the men who wanted to have sex with him. He lied constantly. I was trapped because there was only one “witness “ to his adultery and no confession. I finally got out almost 5 years ago. The last I heard is that he’s in good standing with “privileges” even though he abandoned his family🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🔥
@@stellawil Exactly. The reality of being a good person and living a “Christian lifestyle” means nothing. It’s following the rules in public and keeping up appearances that everyone cares about. It’s ridiculous
You are LEGALLY able to remarry. That damn cult can not make you stay single for all of your life.
@@deejay1216 Yes. Legally we are. If we so much as go on a date and get caught, it would be considered “immoral thoughts” because she’s not free to remarry according to them and as a result, we would both be disfellowshipped aka shunned by all friends and family. She was born and raised a JW so for her, she would be losing all her friends and all her family. And her sin? Divorcing a mentally ill, abusive man, for her health and safety. A man who was clearly being unfaithful but won’t admit it, and wasn’t caught red handed.
Two years later she’s considering entering into an actual loving, healthy relationship with someone that absolutely cherishes her…she should be shunned, ignored, treated as if she were dead. I’m sure that’s what the most powerful being in the universe wants….the most fair and true god would want her to suffer and risk her life or be punished and lose her family. Keep in mind, they forbid couples to spend any time alone in the first place, so her ex was able to hide his actually personality from her or she never would have married him. He’s puts on a very good front on the surface…
Oh and if her family does talk to her anyway, they would become df’d and shunned as well. Their sin? Speaking to her lol Meanwhile, the one person committing actual violent domestic abuse is allowed to remain in good standing with the JWs with no repercussions at all. It’s clown world, sorry for the rant!
@@deejay1216 I understand and appreciate your response. I was DEEPLY indoctrinated. It took 2 years post cult to realize my freedom to date and move on.
The girl I’m seeing is a practicing JW. I was raised one but haven’t been going for 20 years. Anyway, she was married to a physically and mentally abusive partner. It was causing her serious health issues. She was allowed to get a legal divorce and an approved “separation” in the eyes of the JWs, but she’s not allowed to remarry or even date or be seen with a male friend until her ex remarries or admits to having sex with someone else. He’s not going to do that, because he knows that’s how to keep hurting her.
So we have to hide it from the world that we hang out together for fear of her losing her family and friends (she’d be instantly disfellowshipped). They honestly expect a 29 year old woman to remain single for potentially the rest of her life, even though we aren’t designed to live alone and she wasn’t safe staying with her ex. It makes no sense. My Ex wife wasn’t a JW, so once we got divorced, she was open about new relationships so I’m technically clear to remarry lol It’s a clown show
🤡 show it is with WT.
I was 25 almost 26. I’m now 45. Had I not left the org, I would still be trapped. He loved holding me hostage. He left me with a toddler in 2003.
Their sex rules are the least thing to be proud of. But they will never change them. Because they are the deepest way to control people. Have someone accept your rules over their sexuality and you have full power over the individual.
The ultimate irony is the prevalence of child sex abuse that gets covered up🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️
Exactly. Why do you think sex is in the first tier of the basic needs hierarchy piramide of Maslow? It's in our human nature. If you can control a human need you can control humans.
I will stick to watching the Crown on Netflix. 😆 🤣
During a Bible study in the chapter on sexual immorality, a student had asked if the position of the "Doggy style" was a correct position for the JWs. The elder immediately reacted by saying that this sexual position was bestiality because it was practiced by animals. I was very embarrassed by this categorical answer but the student was sufficiently indoctrinated to accept this answer...
Haha. I'm remember hearing that and they also don't like oral. Maybe they're not doing it right
is that now „douce France“ at your former congregation ? doggy style seen as bestiality??? even the Shepherd book doesn t go so far! this elder should learn about the definitions or read the Mosaic Law which is very explicit.
@@slimfadey1901 A married jw female friend, whose husband was non jw, wrote the branch to enquire whether oral sex was permitted by Jehovah. Of course they replied, "No" with a BS explanation that sex is meant for procreation.
@@cherylseebreth328 hmm…so a couple who don t want to procreate wouldn t be allowed to have sex? let s say the man is a CO…
@@disassociated1731 Exactly! Small wonder so many jw couples are unhappy. If sex was meant only for procreation, we would have needed two more planets to inhabit. The pleasure of sex determines the procreation aspect. Were it not for the pleasure, the animal/human race would have been extinct long long ago.
Anyone else creeped out by old man Lett up there speaking about sexuality to an audience full of young children at their family worship night? That the real perversion.
I can almost hear Lett saying "hey little girl, want some candy?"
Jehovahs witness husbands and wives have free range to unleash every manner of torment and abuse on there spouse just as long as they don’t have an affair the abused spouse can never leave. Best Life Ever
I wonder if this creates a market… seducer for hire?
Why should you be tied to an abuser for the rest of your life? Put the garbage in the trash and forget about it!
Hi Lloyd,warm greetings from Edinburgh 🙋♀️
I hope your videos will wake up as many as possible.What a cruel religion.I can't belive I allowed myself to become one of them...But thankfully I am out...People like you doing fantastic job.Thank you my fellow human 👊☀️
Their obsession with stopping people having sex before marriage - and even dictating to married people what kind of sex they can have - is perverse and evil.
I was raised in this cult and was a virgin when I got married. My ex wife was also raised in it also. It set us up for a disastrous marriage, because she was a depressed bisexual. It caused nothing but heartache for our son, me and even her.
The idea of not having sex before marriage is deeply unhealthy - I speak from experience. How are two people to know if they are sexually compatible? And what happens when you only get to find out after entering a supposedly lifelong commitment.
This cult is the epitome of Evil. It steals people's lives, it wrecks their lives, and even takes them.
Thank you Lloyd for the work you're doing.
Maybe even people outside the cult need a greater awareness of sexual compatibility and different sexual orientations. i agree that the strict rules of the cult really set people up for failure and misery, and I am sorry it happened to you and your family. Yet, for some reason, even a lot of people who do have sex before marriage still end up marrying someone with whom they are not sexually compatible. When you are very much in love you just hope it will work out in the end, and sometimes it does (and also people value the importance of sex in a relationship very differently, for some it is not all that important, while for others it really is), but often it doesn't.
@@mailill i agree. The awareness i had after the cult showed me how much such problems are also part of „normal“ society! Not to the same degree of course, but they are there nevertheless.
I was baptized at 17. Stopped going to meetings at 24. First kiss at 32, virgin until 33.
Sorry to hear of your misfortunes, and obviously everything you have said is correct. But let's not forget the added incentive of sexually repressed and hormone laden young people, believing that conventional Christian marriage is their only hope of fulfilling their carnal desires. Naturally they tend to want to rush into marriage and not find a truly compatible partner first. They are also isolated from mainstream society due to most people naturally expect their partner to be sexually active and available.
They tend to be forced to hook up only with someone they meet at church and then hurry up to get a ring on, so they can get their rocks off. That's a stupid way to motivate a healthy long-term relationship, but should you stray from the prenuptial abstinence template, you then risk shame, guilt and stigma, to poison your mental health and cause long term trauma.
@@extraterrestrial4287 Thanks for sharing that Alec. My first kiss was at 27
If I am not mistaken, the comparison between homosexuality and left-handedness comes from the late journalist Randy Shilts. Shilts was best known as the author of And The Band Played On, which detailed the early days of the AIDS pandemic. Shilts was certainly knowledgeable about LGBT issues (he was a gay man himself, and died of AIDS complications in 1994). However, he was not a physician or a psychologist, not an “expert” in the sense Lett seems to suggest.
I mean - the comparison isn't even that weird
Being left handed is something that doesn'T occur so often, but it is a normal thing, that is just .. a little bit different from the masses. Also there was such a long time where being left handed wasn't excepted and kids in school got beaten up from the teachers fror writing with the left hand.
What 2 consenting adults wish to do sexually is no one's business, least of all pompous self righteous fools like Stephen Lett !
Furthermore, the fact that he would rather see a woman battered, bruised and put in grave danger by an abusive husband than for her to leave him and find a decent man who will love her and give her a peaceful life...that is just despicable!
Lett forgot to mention “Pillowgate” and instruct wives to hide all pillows from their husbands!! That’s a big missed opportunity from Lett!😅
I'm glad I got out before I was baptized in highschool, and really glad that my small group of friends in highschool let me have the time and space to get the clarity I needed to see the bs and leave fairly unscathed compared to many peoples stories here.
I wish that was my case. My 10 and 20 year reunions I went around apologizing to everyone for being such a dick.
I had a very similar situation. Also my father wasn’t a dub so there was a bit more balance in our household. Thank ‘fox’ for good friends.
Thank ‘god’ …
@Nicholas Copsey Same here. My best school friend called mac, and his siblings where raised JW by a former homosexual (he claimed it saved him from the lifestyle but everyone knew he was doing it with strangers very early in tne mornings.)they used to take me along to kingdom hall meetings, mac broke away from the faith and I havent heard from him since.
Same. The people that I could always turn to no matter what were funny enough the people I met in middle school
"One so-called expert." LOL. I love how they never name sources.
Yea. I does get so mad when they do that lol.
It pisses me off beyond words that having your spouse beat the shit out of you isn't a good enough reason to divorce. Is a spouse allowed to remarry if they kill their partner?
If the guy/ or woman is abusive he’s breaking the vow to cherish and love her, all bets are OFF, baby.
As a left-handed homosexual I can confirm they are very similar don't worry guys!
🤣🤣😆😆
Wow. Just so much hatred, & judgement of others. Nothing remotely "spiritual" about this degree of ignorance / desire for controlling & condemning others.
"Lett's talk about sex, baby"
- Stephen Lett
Perhaps Stephie will come out of the closet soon. Let's hope he can show his true self one day. This is the only reason I can think of that he is so fanatical about this subject. He reminds me of the fanatical politician who votes against all rights to the LGB+ for years, but is soon caught with his same-sex partner whilst his wife is on vacation.
Or in a department store bathroom stall employing a "wide stance." Wait, there's more! The tales are never ending.
Watch the interview with Stephen Letts niece on UA-cam. It's eye opening!!!
@@alyssawoodman I have and you're absolutely right!!!
It would be a brave psychiatrist to take Lett as a patient.
one of the most concise and thought provoking videos you've ever made! Thank you Lloyd
Stephen Lett's face is made of rubber.
- One expert (probably)
Ha ha! Brilliant!
Stephen Lett and Tony Morris are both absolutely obsessed with homosexuality
I wonder what goes on after the board meetings?
Yeah, so evidently a spouse physically abusing their partner isn't a good enough reason for divorce but if they cheat on you, that is the only justifiable reason. This from the same book that sanctions polygamy and slavery.
Also, who was this expert that Stephen Lett that he was supposedly quoting?
... and which is more proof of their psychosis. They cannot even define adultery legally
I’m not a Christian but I really wonder how much they cringe when JWs talk about Jesus.
THERES NOTHING WRONG WITH DIVORCE
If there is nothing wrong with divorce then there is nothing wrong with living together and not getting married in the first place.
@@extraterrestrial4287 totally
@@My_Fair_Lady What’s wrong with divorce
@@My_Fair_Lady no
@@My_Fair_Lady I'm really sorry that your divorce was so painful. In my case, though, it freed me from a life of verbal abuse, controlling behaviour and constant sadness. I married again, to a wonderful man, and my life has changed completely. I suppose we are at the opposite ends of the experience. I hope you have recovered somewhat from the pain you suffered, and I send you my very best wishes.
As a good JW girl, I married young, so there would be no sex before I was married. What I really wanted to do was get a job, rent an apartment with another jw friend and have freedom from my parents. I was told by my parents I could only move out when I married. I was motivated to do nothing... So I married the first JW who asked me. No one thought, in my family or even myself, was he a good person. Turns out he was not a good person and was actually abusive, he had quite the temper and had been before the elders. A circuit overseer and his wife, who I was really close to, tried to warn me but it was too late by that time I was engaged. If I broke it off I would have been in trouble with the elders in my congregation. So with my inexperience on the matter of red flags and abusive men, I went ahead with the marriage. It was not a happy time in my life but it was also the catalyst that opened my eyes up and I eventually left the religion. Honestly, I could have skipped the abuse that happened in my life but it also woke me up that this religion was not right. So in a strange way I'm thankful that happened. Thinking back, it was probably the only thing that could have broke that thought of -- I would be a Jehovah's Witness for my entire life. But it does not excuse the religions policy about divorce and an abusive spouse. The sad thing is always about the woman not being a good enough wife and that's why she's abused. It's a sick religion, plain and simple.
Oh by the way my abusive ex husband, is still a JW in good standing.
I was just the opposite. Although I wanted a wife, I waited till about 23/24 to let it be known that I wanted a wife. You know, the whole Waiting until after the bloom of youth thing. I didn't want to sin. I wanted everything to be done honestly and above board and acceptable to Jehovah and the congregation. That's why I asked for help in finding a mate. Isn't that a lot better than just going up to every woman I see and saying hey are you single, want to court me? I'm sure I would have gotten reproved for doing that. I wanted a young woman that felt the same way as I did, wanted a marriage mate.
But I was met with antagonism and rebuke. The elders spread around the congregation that I could be doing more. I was called spiritually dead and bad association. One elders wife said that I should s*** or get off the toilet. In other words do more or get out. Well, I worked up enough courage to take it upon myself to write a single JW a letter with a view to courtship. I never received a response. It would have been nice to get a reply even if just to say she wasn't interested. But like I said, what JW woman would want anything to do with me after hearing that I was spiritually dead and bad association. As it turns out, I later learned that she has since been with three worldly men. Surely I wasn't any worse than those guys.
@@extraterrestrial4287 what a let down the elders were to you. I saw this in my congregation and a few others as well so I think it was pretty common but if you weren't in the "IN" group/click, you weren't invited to get togethers, you know what normal people call parties, or any activity they did together everyone else was not considered strong... Think it had to do more with clicks then if someone was strong or not. I was so tired of that when I left cuz I was sort of in and sort of out of the in group. JW's are so damaging to fellow JW's. If you ever did get married in the religion I hope she left with you.
@@deborahd4310 no, I never did marry a Jehovah's Witness and I'm divorced now and at this point I give up on love. All I want now is health wealth and power. Been thinking about getting a really fancy motorcycle with just one seat.
@@extraterrestrial4287 - you are so lucky that you didn't marry one. Many are trapped in unhappy unions that are nothing more than roommate situations because of the divorce policy.
More than one of my JW girlfriends have breathed a huge (contented) sigh of relief *after I demonstrated my stance on providing them their 'oral due'!!!* 👍👍❤❤
😂
Tony Morris bothers me the most, but that clown Stephen Lett is next.
Well, they are effective. Every time I see, or hear one of the Governing Body, I forget I ever had a libido. And I have never been a JW.
You also shouldn't tell people whether they're allowed to do self-checkout or not. That's an intimate matter too.
Excellent work, Lloyd.
Thank you Lloyd. These GB people. are sex obsessed, and it funnels down the line to committee meetings in their Kingdom Halls. Young children being molested and raped, are of not much interest to them. This a very screwed up religion. Right after I got married, an elder came up to me, out of the blue at the hall and said, "I suppose (*******) my husband is active in bed"? Was I supposed to answer out of my experience with others men? My husband was my one and only. So stupid. His words shocked me. They want access to your bedroom, it is true.
Hate crime or religious freedom ? ....If I was in my local coffee shop spouting anti gay speech , I could well find myself in trouble with the law !
Law probably not, but you'd hopefully get kicked out and face other justified consequences lol
Unfortunately, Lett’s attitude is once again becoming popular with not just religious, but non-religious people as well. Pandora’s Box has long been opened and it’s never getting closed back again.
I have this terrible feeling drunken uncle Tony had to sit Steven Lett down and give him the birds and bees talk before this message.
Let me get this right "the woman should stay with her husband that beats her" and not leave? I just want make sure I heard right! What EVIL CLOWNS
Love your point regarding the manipulative use of music by the borg
I had a really good friendship with one of the sisters that I was studying with and she was divorced, all her children grown clear for marriage. They were both around the same age in their 50s, and he was an elder. I kinda set them up or I guess planted the seed. They were soon engaged and got married. Dude had been raised "the truth" which means.....HE WAS A VIRGIN!!😆😭😂That poor man! Poor her too. But last I talked with her she said "he's getting the hang of it." It's just so wrong. They stole his innocent, formative years and they'll do it anyone too. We are supposed to experiment, it's how we learn about ourselves and our bodies, our partners, and how we relate to the world around us.
You are doing so much “service “ for people trapped inside thanks Lloyd….I’d rather know than be an ostrich….. anyone staying clear of these con men is better off…Facts evidence and logic….irrefutable rooting for you and the entire ex jw UA-cam community it warms my heart to know we are all going through this healing process and the only mental disease we have is the ability to detect bs…. Whatever we all agree or disagree on…. I’m quite sure we all agree this cult needs to be exposed…..because they are cruel bullies and dogmatic selfish and narcissistic arrogant and unreasonable and they are afraid…. I hope they continue to make your job easy by putting themselves more and more in the spotlight….. it’s absolutely incredible to see this development in our generation whereby they are finally getting the publicity they deserve…. Only the best to you and your hard work sir!
I just wanna say this for the hell of it
I’m 37 years old and am still a Virgin because my mom raised me as a Jehovah’s Witness I probably could have had sex back when I was between the ages of 16-21 but now it feels almost impossible because I haft to stay hear and help my dad deal with my mom because she has dementia
damn man, In my humble opinion I believe the best thing you can do for your mental well being is to seek out an escort. Personally I never have as I escaped the org at 20 and by 21 finally started dating but I know a few ex witnesses who have used an escort to “break the ice” into sexual activity and that gave them the confidence to start dating without this burden and uncertainty of virginity hanging over them…there is more to life then Sex but literally having sex is the only other use for your genitals lol, you urinate and you ejaculate its part of being a human and something you instinctually desire no matter what religion you were brainwashed in
Do it for the fun of it as quickly as possible; safely.
@@cherylseebreth328 and also I’ve tried to talk to girls online in a ex Jehovah’s Witness group about what I find attractive on girls like clothes for example and they all started to get offended and mad at me for it
It is never too late. I met a lady once who was single and a virgin until she was 51, which was when she met her current husband. And I know a few others (men and women) who were virgins into their late twenties and mid thirties. Most of them now have life partners. But you might have to put in some effort to meet the right person, they usually don't magically teleport themself into your house. And you might have to risk some rejections and some awkward situations.
I am sorry about your mother. That must be so difficult.
@@slayerdearly Please DO NOT GO online. Online is unkind to men, especially an inexperienced man which you are. If you live in Europe or in North America, talk to a psychologist who should be able to recommend a decent prostitute who will show you the ropes. A few sessions later, boosted confidence, you will find a woman with whom you can do your thing.
As someone who left the truth at the age of 20, it certainly left a mark and continues to mess with me at the age of 42. I might just leave you a voicemail with details as to why.
If one has immoral thoughts,take a moment to think of the Governing Body. That will kill them stone dead
I've just found your channel and just watched this one tonight. I love how the wording of an abusive husband (partner) is always "an unbelieving husband" because as we all know, no Wittness is capable of physically abusing their mates (or sexually abusing children....in fact that is such an incapablity that in order to accuse someone of sexual abuse, you need TWO more people to say they saw it happen! My birth father was very mentally abusive to my sister (because she had a learning disability and that embarrassed him) and to my mom and on occasion he did get physical with my mom. My mom went to the elders several times and she was always told to be loyal and obedient. Even my Aunt went and pleaded with them to get involved before it got worst. My mom ended up cheating on my Dad so she could get out of the marriage. Of course, my mom was disfellowshipped. My Dad? Well, he went on to marry and become a ministerial servant.
Jeez Louise, Lloyd. We’ve seen this man say some CRAZY things but, yeah, this is both a Thought control AND antiSex manifesto. These guys are further out of touch with this world than ever. Bizarre and very scary. (Keep up the great work, my friend)
It's all about control with them no matter what it costs you. Mentally or physically. You must stay together even if you do pay with your life. 😢
I'd bet the bundle that Brother Lett has had more than a few lecherous thoughts. He looks like a real libertine to me, given the chance. Probably the only thing that saved him was lack of chance.+
Excellent point Lloyd…music such a powerful tool and they exploit it so well…classic Jw move, accusing other of the exact thing you do. Cheers from SO Cal.
Most JW marriages are a disaster. The things an elder told me when I was in were just depressing.
@Jeffrey Wedekind - what percentage would you say is a disaster? I would assume that most feel trapped physically, mentally, emotionally...which, in and of itself, is horrible.
@@Ava2969ny Well when I was young in a small congregation it seemed different, most were good people just hoping for the new system. Later when I came back 20 years later it felt different, I married a pioneer sister. She was abused by her stepfather elder but even with that I never should have married her. The bubble they live in, the blind faith, etc. was just creepy. But after watching 100's of ex-JW video's and reading the comments it is clear JW's do not have pleasant family lives. Mine was awful and I still carry the scars from it and the depression of this system dragging on is taking a toll on people. I've met so many smart young kids that became carpet cleaners that should have become engineers, etc. and that makes for a miserable life. The elder I told you about and my ex told me stories that were just depressing.
@@rockpadstudios - I don't understand what you mean by ""even with that I never should have married her" -- are you stating that she was damaged and so therefore not wife-material? I hope that's not what you are saying because she was damaged through no fault of her own. And indoctrination as a whole (it doesn't matter what religion) contributes to poor family relationships and unhappiness.
@@rockpadstudios - did you fade or are you PIMO? How were you able to get a scriptural divorce?
@@Ava2969ny I was disfellowshipped, I was POMI for years after until I investigated the child abuse and that was when I realized there is no truth.
I AM SO GLAD THAT I WOKE UP DURING THE PANDEMIC I WILL NEVER LOOK BACK OR RETURN TO THAT CULT!!!!
The rainbow community isn't on their trail about this?
I love your videos Lloyd, keep them coming
The irony of the double standards gay corn is judicial worthy yet if one is married and has cheated with someone of the same gender that’s not grounds for divorce. Were they drunk when they wrote this?
@@DM-he1ug personal experience in the matter. It’s part of why I left in 2016. It’s a long story.
@@DM-he1ug also porneia is a made up jw term. The elders even encouraged the couple to get back together as it wasn’t grounds for divorce only temporary separation
If only they applied that to themselves whilst they protect predators in their own midst
It is easier to make the average person feel guilty about lust than kicking the neighbours dog since all of us are attracted to others on a regular basis where as most don’t kick dogs. Guilt feelings make control of that person easier since they have already come to the conclusion they are “bad”.
Hi Lloyd, this just broke on the Central Pa. Lancaster channel 8 news!
Guilty as charged your honour.
We are all guilty then stupid rules made up by stupid men made rules
You are free to be gay. You’re not free to live the way you want and love who you want unless you’re living to their standards.
Stephen Lett has his nerve! About a great many things!
So IF ??? this is the case, and the ( ONLY) reason to get a divorce is due to sexual immorality fornication or adultery, are you kidding me ???, what if your mate, wife or husband hit each other every night , and abuse one or the other physically, and will not stop doing such , do you mean to tell me according to that bible, a wife for example must still stay in that marriage and continue to put up with her husband's abuse. BULL S it, let this Lett stay married to his wife if? she hits him every night and abuses him physically or mentally, I for one would NEVER stay married to any women for example only. IF?? she continued to fight and abuse me or my kids as a example. the hell what the bible says about such matters., IMO
THE BIBLE SIMPLY PRESENTED TO IMPERFECT, SUFFERING, AND DYING HUMAN BEINGS NOT DEBATES ABOUT RELIGIONS, GOD AND GODS BUT A REAL, EXISTING, AND RAGING BATTLE TO THE DEATH -
SATAN'S ANTI-CHRISTS
VS.
the CREATOR'S CHRIST
ETERNAL DEATH, just worthless and useless dusts on earth forever as CONSEQUENCE for the vanquished
ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth as HONOR and REWARD for the victors
Imperfect, suffering, and dying human beings who believe, debate, preach and argue about the LIES and foolishness of SATAN's ANTI-CHRISTS about Armageddon, rapture, Trinity, Immortality of the souls or the heaven and hellfire, and reincarnation are hateful, unkind, and worthless human beings -
a) who can't be trusted with anything
b) incapable of treating their co-human beings with kindness and respect
c) not worthy and deserving to live and last on earth forever.
ETERNAL DEATH as CONSEQUENCE -
Hateful, unkind, and worthless ATHEISTS, AGNOSTICS, AND FANATICS of ALL RELIGIONS will just become worthless and useless dusts on earth forever after their deaths as the CONSEQUENCE of their Satanic HATRED and rejection of the CREATOR's Sovereignty, love, kindness, mercy and his CHRIST's TRUTHS and righteousness about the Kingdom of God and Resurrection of the Dead as worthless and useless, no value whatsoever in their lives and existence.
ETERNAL LIFE as HONOR and REWARD -
All imperfect, suffering, and dying human beings who believe the TRUTHS and righteousness of the CREATOR's CHRIST about the Kingdom of God and Resurrection of the Dead will be REWARDED and HONORED by the CREATOR with ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, griefs, pains, sickness, and deaths.
Worshippers of the Creator and believers of his Christ will also become worthless dusts on earth after their deaths, but they will not remain as dusts forever for at the Creator's own good time, he will let Jesus Christ resurrect them back to life, after which they can fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the CREATOR and his CHRIST for eternity as submissive and obedient subjects of the Kingdom of God under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler, Jesus Christ.
The loving, kind, and merciful CREATOR will let his loving, kind, and respectful worshippers enjoy for eternity a safe and peaceful planet earth without terrorists, criminals, and militaries, without arrogant, cruel, and hateful atheists, agnostics, and fanatics of religions, without liars, slanderers, deceivers, and hypocrites, without funeral homes and cemeteries.
Of course they are… 🙄
PS: Rolling my eyes at the GB, not Lloyd.
That Sexual Dynamo really knows what sex is all about.
🤣😂🤣😂
🤣 I hate where this comment put my mind but I'm giggling heartily anyway.
Lloyd, I think he plagiarised the quote from former High court judge, Justice Michael Kirby, he states " my brother was left-handed, and I was gay" cheers and have a great day.
This sushi has his subject about different ways of living
1 The will of the nations
2 The will of God
In faith, man and wife become 1 flesh.
In faith, adultery is a serious case.
Repentance and forgiveness, ways to recover.
Doing the will of the nations, free will.
Since Jehovah God is the Almighty, the Sovereign Ruler of the universe, and the Creator of all things, he alone has absolute, unlimited freedom.All others must move and act within the limitations of ability given them and subject themselves to his universal laws.
The freedom of all of God’s creatures is therefore a relative freedom.
Today, which freedom is accomplished through the nations?
A wonderfull world yes!
Not in all faiths:) look at islam where divorce is permitted, just an example…Lets hope many people will recover from religion and especially from christian extreme laws, designed for people who are eager to go to heaven and change their animal body to a spiritual one, without sex or marriage…
@@disassociated1731 Jehovah the God of the Hebrews brought us salvation, Jezus.
Just one point, most popular sources don’t show their citations either. I do shudder a little every time I just see “research shows that . . .” but it’s more common than you think. If you want to see religious, Christian writings that do show their research in APA format, I suggest you check out Apologetics Press or Think magazine.
My goodness Lloyd, you hit so many points right on head...I can relate to so many of them...thanks for strengthening my resolve on this religion!
FACING ALL IMPERFECT, SUFFERING, AND DYING HUMAN BEINGS IS NOT DEBATES ABOUT RELIGIONS, GOD AND GODS BUT A REAL, EXISTING, AND RAGING BATTLE TO THE DEATH -
ETERNAL DEATH, just worthless and useless dusts on earth forever as CONSEQUENCE for the vanquished
ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth as HONOR and REWARD for the victors
ETERNAL DEATH as CONSEQUENCE -
Imperfect, suffering, and dying ATHEISTS, AGNOSTICS, AND FANATICS of ALL RELIGIONS will just become worthless and useless dusts on earth forever after their deaths as the CONSEQUENCE of their Satanic HATRED and rejection of the CREATOR's Sovereignty, love, kindness, mercy and his CHRIST's TRUTHS and righteousness about the Kingdom of God and Resurrection of the Dead as worthless and useless, no value whatsoever in their lives and existence.
ETERNAL LIFE as HONOR and REWARD -
All imperfect, suffering, and dying human beings who believe the TRUTHS and righteousness of the CREATOR's CHRIST about the Kingdom of God and Resurrection of the Dead will be REWARDED and HONORED by the CREATOR with ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, griefs, pains, sickness, and deaths.
Worshippers of the Creator and believers of his Christ will also become worthless dusts on earth after their deaths, but they will not remain as dusts forever for at the Creator's own good time, he will let Jesus Christ resurrect them back to life, after which they can fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the CREATOR and his CHRIST for eternity as submissive and obedient subjects of the Kingdom of God under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler, Jesus Christ.
The loving, kind, and merciful CREATOR will let his loving, kind, and respectful worshippers enjoy for eternity a safe and peaceful planet earth without terrorists, criminals, and militaries, without arrogant, cruel, and hateful atheists, agnostics, and fanatics of religions, without liars, slanderers, deceivers, and hypocrites, without funeral homes and cemeteries.
yeah people are born left-handed.....and
The 'voice of strangers'... They're making a big deal of this Stranger Danger 😂🤣🤣😜
What he say about David , Solomon and all the patriarchs in the bible
You go Lloyd!!!😄👏🏻👏🏻
I love the way that Stephen Lett criticises Hollywood over using EXACTLY the same techniques as JW boradcasting!! He even mentions the 'romantic' music - you HYPOCRITE!!
jws protect csa
So sexual immorality is the only valid reason for divorce? What if a women is being beaten by her husband? I guess that is not a valid reason for divorce in JW land .
Have they not added abuse and abandonment as conditions for divorce?
Separation not divorce...
@@DM-he1ug Watchtower knows nothing about origin of the institution of marriage. The church adopted it long after it was instituted and of course threw a God into the mix.
Sorry I can't figure out how to upload the video! Central Pa, Lancaster County 10/27, Channel 8 news reports Four men from Pa. arrested 4 sexually abusing 19 children in the JW organization over an unknown period of time as reported by Josh Shapiro, Pa District Attorney! The four were arrested today with the last defendant committing suicide when police arrived to arrest him! Mr Shapiro in his statement to the press made it clear that no one using any"cloak" is above the law! He also emphasized how repulsive he found this situation to be due to hiding behind a "Cloak"! I hope you are aware of this or are able to search for the story!
The God of the bible sounds like a modern USA Republican, unconcerned with suffering, but very concerned with policing people's bodies.
Lloyd: 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
When I was still in the organization I justified our stance on homosexuality because it was only the act that was condemned. Not the person. It was no different than a straight person who couldn't find a marriage mate not being allowed to have sex. As a single person I couldn't have sex either.
While that is accurate to the official position, the nuance of it seemed to be lost on a whole lot of people. Setting aside the difference between telling someone they can't have sex right now and telling someone they can never have romantic love, there were still plenty of people who said horribly homophobic things, even within the framework of their stated position (i.e. using slurs). Friends of mine in person, elders from the platform and governing body members to the entire organization.
wait.... does he think being left handed make you gay??
Did he just demonize being left handed?
well said Lloyd
It's litterally laughable. 😁 Thought crimes all way thru. Also, you don't have the right to dictate what's morally right or wrong for other people in specific situations.
They are confusing thoughts, fantasies and feelings with motives which is another thing entirely. Whatching a movie featuring a robbery and hoping the criminals will get a way with it in the movie is not at all the same as beginning to plan a robbery yourself.
hold up! did he say Jehovah-Jesus ?
Repressed bisexual. Thanks, spellcheck.
The nations and their 'freedom' ....
Different ways to exploit people while they do not know, Lloyd has is way, isn't it?
Today, o goats, here is your shepherd; Lloyd Evans!!
A guide of disobedient peoples for is own greatness and merchandise, bravo, bravo.
Not you again!
nice adornments. Gold cufflinks / gold watch/ gold tie clip / gold wedding ring / gold pinky ring.... never trust a man with a pinky ring
I guess I should throw away my “Enya” music. Since it’s soft music.
Lol 😆 🤣 😂 wayyyy 2 funny!
So this guy's stance on soft background music must mean that Kenny G is a tool of the devil.
😮 craziness x
About 1 in ten.
Left handedness and gayness.
1 in 10.
Procreation is the main cause of suffering in the first place, so I'm not surprised a pro-breeder god likes suffering.
None of those beginning scriptures said anything about unmarried sex.
0:27 The rules never apply to women, do they? I guess they never look at a man with 'passion'. 🤔
What a chop
sexual immortality
What if he already is a worshiper and still endangers your life?
You made an entire video about a cult's sex rules and yet Beck's "Sexx Laws" wasn't played in it even once. Imma disappoint
So I guess it's not how you do it it's the way you do it that makes it right or wrong. I don't know you tell me