New release of the FMS V3 Reflex Gyro
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- The new FMS V3 Reflex has two great features that the V2 didn't have. One you can change the gains and two you can make those changes from the App on your phone. In this video, I'll go through this process.
Link to Reflex V3: www.fmshobby.c...
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Glad to see the Reflex is back and even better. I hope FMS starts putting them back in all their planes, at least as an option. FMS used to offer it for only $10 more, installed- great value. I use the Lemon RX Gen 2 with the Reflex system and it works great. Item LM0081 is only $15.90 (Direct from Lemon), 7 CH, great range with 2 antenna and DSMX/DSM2 compatible. They also have the 6 CH LM0080 for only $12.90 but this one has only one antenna.
I gotta imagine they stopped installing them in their planes when they started to design the V3.. So funny you said that about the Lemon RX.. I just installed that 7 channel rx and the V3 in the Integral FMS sent me.. Looking forward to see how FMS setup that plane. It's cool that I can change those settings at the field now (if needed)...
@@SteffenRC Very nice. Looking forward to your review of the Integral.
Good job covering these topics. I didn't know you were a gyro guru. It seems that you are developing quite a relationship with FMS. Great !
Thanks.. I'm enjoying their support for sure. Hope they see the value from my channel...
Love the Reflex..and the price is not bad. But $15 for 2 week shipping? Nuts. Free I'd have already bought 2.
Yep.. Thats excessive.. I'll mention it to FMS.. Probably won't help.. But you never know..
The reason I didn't buy it. Not gonna pay $15 for shipping.
Will, nice overview of the V3!
Thanks Adam... I need to make a follow up on how to tune it....
Very cool Will. I'm not very astute on how to program gains on a rc plane gyro. I'll have to read more about it.
I think I’m going to make a video on that. 🤔
Boyy fms is really stepping there game up on all levels! Pretty darn cool
I agree Jonny, They are listening to their customers.. I just assembled the new Integral.. Its not the prettiest plane, but the fit and finish is the finest I've seen
@SteffenRC there listing to there customers speaks volumes and that is what makes me have no problem with a purchase of a fms plane🙏🏻😎 im excited for there new f18 release🥰🔥
I have the FMS v3 but only a two position switch for modes. FMS say with two positions switch you can only have stabilise and optimise modes, But by setting the off position on the transmitter at zero percent and stabilise at 100% you can turn off the stabiliser Completely In case of emergency
Great tip...
Cool new futures, thx again for pro review and for security reasons always change default password, happy flying 🛩️
Yep.. Specially when a bunch of guys have these at the field and are messing with them in the pits...
HI Will, have you used a Reflex with a Spektrum receiver? I have an AR620 and the Reflex V2 and all works except the throttle. Any thoughts? Thanks! And I've been flying more in "AS3X" (Optomized) with my Ranger after your videos gave me more confidence to try more frequently. Thanks again!
Yes.. I use those little AR620s often. The throttle should work ok.. Double check the connection for the throttle in the reflex/rx. Rule out the Reflex, bypass the reflex and see if the throttle works (the reflex might not power up). I haven't had that issue, but its possible the reflex is broken.. Not sure. Congrats on flying in Optimized/AS3X mode. You'll really be able to push that plane more. (Aerobatics...).
Good to know, thanks.
You're welcome Larry...
I'm looking for how the new Reflex would be setup for a non-FMS model.
I'm working on that video.. Stay tuned... But, in short you can pick a similar plane as what you have. They offer a non FMS options in the app too. The important thing is to play with the orientation of the Reflex and test that its going the right direction. I installed one in a Durafly T-28 and had it backwards.. Rotated 180 and it worked.. Go figure...
Will, it may be beneficial to explain what GAINS are.
Good point
According to Microsoft Copilot:
The gyro gain is a crucial setting in radio-controlled (RC) helicopters and other aircraft equipped with gyros.
Definition: The gyro gain determines how much correction the gyro system applies in response to movement. Essentially, it controls the sensitivity of the gyro to deviations from the desired orientation.
Functionality: When the gyro detects any deviation (such as tail wagging or drift), it adjusts the servo output to counteract that movement. The gyro gain setting determines how aggressively this correction occurs.
Higher Gain: Increasing the gyro gain results in more correction applied by the gyro. However, setting it too high can lead to instability or oscillations.
Lower Gain: Reducing the gyro gain decreases the correction applied. If set too low, the gyro may not effectively stabilize the aircraft.
Zero Gain: A gyro gain value of zero means no gyro correction is applied. In this case, the aircraft relies solely on manual control without gyro assistance.
Remember that gyro gain adjustments can be made mechanically (e.g., altering servo arms or tail pitch levers) or through the gyro’s gain control settings. The transmitter settings (except for remote gain adjustments) do not directly affect the loop gain of the tail rotor/servo/gyro system.
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That last paragraph is interesting. Changing the linkage geometry can change the gain. Moving the pushrod out on the servo arm or moving it in on the control horn will increase the effective gain and doing the opposite will decrease it. But, changing the expo or travel in the transmitter won’t affect the gain. I’d never thought of that, but then, I generally move the pushrod in on the servo arm to decrease the surface travel which would decrease the gain; I hardly ever increase the travel. I never move pushrods in on control horns because it could cause flutter. And with a gyro, it could cause oscillation.
Well, there that idea for a video. 😊
I'm learning to fly like a Jedi no gyro I use the force 😂
Question for you and the other experts. I want to use the Reflex in a model with flaperons which uses 2 channels for ailerons so the flap function can be mixed in. How can the reflex be used as it only has one aileron port ? Thanks for you help.
Don't think this is possible with the FMS Reflex V3. Someone else might chime in.. Also, jump onto RC Groups and ask that group. (larger pool of experts)
Steffen, could I ask you to confirm (or disprove) something? The Chinesium stabs that I am familiar with (Radiolink Byme-A/ZOHD Kopilot lite/Lefei Sparrow series/etc) ALL require you to set the servo correction directions under the self-levelling mode BEFORE you set the radio stick directions. This is because reversing the gyro correction directions ALSO reverses the radio stick directions in those gyro stabilizers (in ALL Modes - including Manual!) but, of course, reversing the stick directions has NO effect on the gyro correction directions.
Or can you state (and possibly show in a video) that these Reflex Stabs work differently? Thanks in advance.
I just made this video that show how you can reverse direction of the gyro. Hope this helps.. ua-cam.com/video/YceymcSatNY/v-deo.html
@@SteffenRC Thanks for the reply Steffen. But, sadly, that DOES NOT answer the question asked above! 😉
To do that in the simplest way possible ... Take your correctly set up plane/stabilizer/Tx all powered up, switch the mode switch to Self-levelling, prop 1 wing up so that that aileron comes up a little, move the radio aileron stick so that it causes the raised aileron to lower. NOTE THAT and leave it all sitting there powered up!
THEN fire up your phone/app and change the aileron correction direction and write that to the stab. Back out and close down the app. The previously raised aileron should now be DOWN ... BUT which way does the aileron travel when you pull the radio aileron stick in the direction that previously made it go down - further down (as before) or up? 🤔
Again, thanks in advance. 😊
The FMS Reflex v3 is independent of the TX aileron direction. I had to validate it to make sure, but performed the process you just mentioned. Started with the TX and the Gyro working properly and the left aileron goes up, when I move the stick left and when I raise the left wing. I changed the direction with the app and the left wingtip went down when I raised the left wing (reversed) but the tx aileron controls still work in the correct direction. The Spektrum system work the same way. That why it is so important to test the gyro is working in the correct direction. Hope that help.. If not, we can discuss further.. You can always shoot me and email too. Willsteffen@gmail.com
@@SteffenRC Thanks Steffen. greatly appreciated! That means that the Reflex DOES NOT act in a similar way to the cheap plug-and-play stabs that I mentioned above. Probably why so many folks had so much trouble setting up those oddities. And YES! Preflight checks are a must! 👍👍
So Steffen when you select the model on the programming part of it off the app does it automatically set the best parameters high and low rates for that assigned plane like a default setting? Thanks
If you pick one of the FMS models, then yes. It will make the parameters for the Gyro, but not the rates. You'll need to set those per manual and then your preferences.
@@SteffenRC Yeah i need it for the new FMS F-16 64mm i just maidend the wings were a tad rocky on landings and i had my 2200 4s battery in the center of the straps so i know it wasnt at all tail heavy. Thanks Steffen
After installing my reflex v3 on my FMS 1100mm Zero, and after turning it on, it just keeps on beeping and I dont have controls. What could be the reason?
I’ve noticed the plane must sit still for a few seconds so the gyro can calibrate. Also, if you have throttle stick on a little it won’t initialize. One more thing. Make sure all the throttle cable is inserted correctly and the ESC is calibrated. Let me know if that helps
Hi. I have it in the FMS Super Cub, came as part of package. I have installed the FMSHobby app and could even connect via bluetooth. However, I'm unable to change or maneuver in any of the settings and options. It keeps trying to reconnect when i click these. What could be the issue and how to resolve?
Thats odd that you can connect to the Reflex, but can't make any changes.. Hard to say if its an error on the Refex or the app. Sadly, I'd suggest you send a note to FMS Support. They'll probably want a video of what you are doing, so do a screen shot video to show... Sorry I can't help.
@@SteffenRC that's a good idea. I will do that.
Can i use an old 35 mhz futaba 6 channel receiver wirh the fms reflex???
Thats a good question. Not sure if the rx output is compatable with the Reflex. I don't have 35mhz, but I do have some 72mhz gear. I'll see if I can make it work.. I'll let you know.
So im not a smart phone user can i still program the gains via usb cable from my laptop?
I haven't tried it, but I know there are a few people that are doing that by changing the values in one of the PAR files.. Checkout RCGroups for details.
which way is the gyro supposed to face? nothing on the fms website or the instructions! I'll never give out about Horizon hobby prices again!
If you are referring to the V2 version, there are instruction on orientation in the software that will show a diagram of the orientation. If you are using a V3, there is similar diagrams on the App. I'm working on a video for using the V3 in a non-FMS plane and go through the entire process from installation and tuning the parameters.. Let me know if you need help. More than happy to dig into this further with you.. - Will
@SteffenRC Thanks, love the channel. I like the general purpose, practical content, not every plane video needs to be on the latest 700 euro edf jet. Americans are so helpful, you guys always shoot back a useful reply to any queries I post. Thanks again
can i use it in a plane that have no rudder control?
I haven't tried, but there is no reason that wouldn't work. I'd test it thoroughly......
Can you change bank and pitch angles like you can with spektrum 630 ‘s and so on with the safe and AS3X I fly a lot of mine in safe but I can go from 75* angle to 90 degrees so you can get a sharper bank ?
Yes you can. FMS is listening to the pilots and making enhancements to their designs when they can.
@@SteffenRC I might just have a look at one of them then thanks
Got it installed. Select my plane. And nothing pops up to synch data. Anyone see this issue?
Close the FMS app and try again. I've noticed little issues with the app....
@SteffenRC did that. Reinstalled it and still nothing. My son downloaded app and it loaded right away. Weird
can you change control output direction e.g. when you install in a non-fms plane and need to ensure correct movement ?
You can't change those outputs. When you select which plane template you want to use the app will show a picture of how the Reflex must be installed. There aren't option like with a Spektrum AS3X rx... But I still double check to make sure everything is going in the right direction before I attach the reflex to the fuselage.
@@SteffenRC Not really much of an improvement then ... you still have to fiddle around with files on the PC '0' and '1' config lines of programming 😒🥴
I found and issue that pertains to your comments. I'm going to ping FMS about it and see what they think.. My situation is I added a Reflex to a Durafly T-28. I used a FMS T-28 config/parameters and installed it in the suggested orientation. When I tested the gyro directions they were reverse, so I rotated the reflex 180 and it worked properly.. I gotta play with it a bit more, but I can see where reversing the Gyro like I can in the Eagle Gyros is important...
is there a firmware/software upgrade for the V2 system ?
Not for the Bluetooth connection, since thats a hardware upgrade. I haven't checked to see if I can change the gains/parameters on the V2....
@@SteffenRC obviously no BT in V2 hardware, but new firmware and app with USB ?
@@jurez8752 I’ll check it out. As of earlier this week, No!!
@@SteffenRC thanks !
can i but this rc v3 and use it in a non fms plane?
Yes. You can.. However you really need to confirm the Gyro is going in the proper direction. For example I had a Durafly 1.1 T-28 that I added a V2 Reflex. I selected a FMS T-28 800mm for the parameter settings and installed in the illustrated orientation. When I test, I noticed it was reverse. So I rotated the gyro 180 and it worked. I set it on a 3 position switch so if things got weird, I could turn off the gyro in flight. (no different than I treat my Spektrum AS3X...). The V3 doesn't have a way to reverse the throws in the configuration tool.
@@SteffenRC ok , so i much be sure that servia are installed in the same direction as the non fms plane....in order for the giro to work properly because reverse is not a feature in the v3 version. many thanks!!!
@@SteffenRC Thanks!!
Makes me sick how everything is making you so dependent on your smart phone. God help you if you don't have it or it goes dead when you need it.
I should've mentioned that these Gyros can be updated from your laptop too..
Im learning to fly like a Jedi no gyros just force its funner
Thats the way I learned years ago.. For some planes, gyros will improve the flight performance. Some planes not so much... Gyros aren't for everyone, but this is a wonderful hobby however you choose to fly....