They were also experimented on by S31 to perfectly mimic a humanoid to the point that they were truly like a solid and lost their other natural abilities.
You say that like that happening wouldn't need an entire season to justify. Like the writers can just throw that in and we'll accept it like it's trivial for a changeling to just "break off" of the great link.
That's what made the Changeling's/Founders scary is they could be any one and they did not need a bucket. They could use parts of their body as a spear/tendril/weapon. They can live in a vacuum as they dont have lungs/organs. With Martok we found out they passed blood screening. You could not kill them with knives and Starfleet needed phaser sweeps to find them.
And we only know for sure that the phaser sweeps worked on Odo. A more experienced changeling may have been able to withstand them without losing it's shape.
@@DanBen07 that might not be true. I could imagine the problem was the CGI then was still really basic, and making translucent red blood would have been harder (DS9 and ST6 came out the same year practically), so the tech for Odo is about the same, a very thick-looking liquid. Also, there's a deleted scene of a human dressed as a Klingon being killed, and they comment, "This isn't Klingon blood" before removing the disguise. So they needed blood to look non-human for that scene to make sense. I doubt movie censors care about the blood colour when a person is shot.
@@notanactualuser Well I heard it in interviews but a lot of websites have this as an answer "The reason was to protect the film's PG rating. The amount of blood seen splattered on-screen when Chancellor Gorkon (David Warner) was assassinated would have forced a PG-13 or possibly even an R rating with the MPAA."
You know to be fair, the Lars episode was kind of insane how crazy OP he is as a Changeling, to the point that I think he's the strongest changeling ever shown on screen. I mean turning into fog? Warp capable space travel? The other founders could do some crazy stuff, but mostly just opted for tentacles or occasionally doing something like steel arms, but that episode made them god tier.
Star Trek in general was way too cavalier about making space-dwelling organisms warp capable. It really doesn't make sense, even within the rules of the Trek universe.
This is just my own interpretation, but I suspect most of the older changelings can do similar things, but view using those abilities for personal combat or exploration as beneath them or too dangerous. None of the original changelings except Laas liked fighting or saw any point in it other than for completing a larger objective. Most of the hitting or tendrils were sufficient and incidental to doing something else. Just my thought.
@@davidlandrum Discovery is hemoraging money. SNW is not. lower decks is not. Prodigy, started in the red, but has since broke even (it might still get the ax as overall the season is in the red, but the later episodes had better support; showed potential for profit with a possible second season) but yeah trek is totally bleeding money like someone jabbed a knife through your jugular. I dont like a lot of the new trek stuff (especially that failed coat hanger abortion called Discovery) but im realistic as too where the studio stands with the franchise.
This video is bad clickbait. These changelings in Picard are explaned as different. They are mutated as result of Section 31 experiments. They are sick and in constant pain. They have some new abilities, but they also lack some other abilities normal changelings have. They are not part of Great link. They are outcasted
@@greengreeneya2102 If they can be killed by swords and have their necks snapped, then they should be able to be stunned. You said yourself that they were weaker.
This video is bad clickbait. These changelings in Picard are explaned as different. They are mutated as result of Section 31 experiments. They are sick and in constant pain. They have some new abilities, but they also lack some other abilities normal changelings have. They are not part of Great link. They are outcasted
Unrelated to the clip, but it just occurred to me the whole pulling Enterprise-D out of museum is pretty much the same as pulling the Missouri into action again in movie Battleship. Add one more non-trek movie to the list of what STP writers were lifting idea from.
By this time it's parody. The writers from Nu Trek aren't even bothering to remember the canon established lore from Legacy Trek! I've never wanted to see a boom head shot more than that changeling broad in Picard.
Its preferable for me to think of Vadic as her crew as an imperfect attempt by Starfleet to create new Changelings, hence why they are so blatantly inferior to real ones. That at least is the best lore explanation, the more obvious one being that the writers never watched DS9
I prefer to think of each Trek series taking place in its own universe within a multiverse. I even consider the TNG movies exist in an alternate universe to the tv series. This is why the pink Klingon blood is red in DS9, why the alpha quadrant holds all ciswormhole powers when other series established the federation being in the Alpha and Beta quadrants. There are several other examples to give. What really matters is if the series in question does not contradict itself.
One thing I'm noticing in re-watching the series is that the portrayal of the Ferengi is super-inconsistent on TNG vs DS9. Even while the two shows were running concurrently. On TNG they're always scheming and evil, and are portrayed as a hostile medium-level power in the galaxy. We see the Ferengi military, and Ferengi captains: DaiMon Bock, DaiMon Tarr, etc. It's even implied that they have a somewhat normal government; the "Ferengi Council" is mentioned in one episode I think. On DS9, all of that is completely missing, despite innumerable Ferengi episodes. They're just ridiculous greedy businessmen, played entirely for laughs. And their government seems to run at the pleasure of someone called the "Nagus", and is concerned only with new business opportunities.
While I'm no big fan of STP, a grand majority of these aren't really contradictions. It only stands to reason the Federation would work to improve their means of detecting changelings and that any rogue ones would in turn learn how to evade old techniques. It's also pretty explicitly stated that the way Odo shapeshifts into a human, no organs and whatnot, is not something other changelings with more skill do.
It’s like the rise of skywalker. The previous installment was on a numeric and entertainment level worse. But its role in the series as a finale makes it the worst. Picard season 3 was also a cavalcade of unwatchable fan service nonsense that blatantly went against its own nu trek writing failures.
I wish they elaborated on the relationship between the borg and the changelings. First of all, how did the changelings in the Daystrom Institute get in contact with the borg? Obviously humans at Daystrom experimented with borg nanoprobes on the changeling. Although obviously starfleet wasn't aware at the time that the borg collective was connected telepathically rather than technologically. Basically, humans assimilated the changelings. Secondly, why did the borg have to resort to threats instead of directly controlling the changelings? Well the borg stated "your physiology isn't as complex as you believe." Meaning that borg can't successfully assimilate changelings, they're too different from typical humanoids, and that changeling minds have evolved to retain their individuality while within the great link. So then why were the changelings cooperating with the borg? Perhaps the borg hive mind was attractive to them and their drive to be a part of a great link also drove them to be a part of a borg collective. Also, one of the contradictions in the video, the modified changelings being susceptible to swords sorta makes sense since they were modified to shapeshift into true tissues rather than just superimposing the semblance of an organism. This was probably imparted onto the changelings by the borg so that they could better serve the borg's needs. (although granted the rate that they can turn back into a liquid would imply that they should still be able to recover form swords relatively quickly, which is probably why we saw them revive after a short time) However, due to their inability to be truely assimilated, they are probably a low priority or unsuitable species to the borg, which is why they were considered expendable. Also, this is one of two reasons why smoking would likely still affect changelings, despite not having a respiratory system. The other is due to basic biology. Essentially, before deuterostomes and protostomes on earth, the ancestors of vertebrates, arthropods and molluscs diverged from their common ancestor, bilaterians. Bilaterians lacked a true digestive system which both protostomes and deuterostomes evolved independently. Instead, they digested food using what was called amoeboid motility. What this means is that there is no true lining of the stomach or gut vacuole, and that the cells freely move around freely forming as many vacuoles as they want. Now since most organisms in star trek have defined organs, we can infer that most species loose amoeboid motility because specialized organs use significantly less energy. However, clearly changelings did not and instead specialized in amoeboid motility. However, they must still able to digest food and respire despite this. This means that even if changelings don't have a true repository system or other systems of organs, they must still respire and digest food to some extent. The limitation with passive respiration is that ambient gas has a limited penetration depth of a few millimetres, which is why it tends to be limited to smaller organisms. Clearly changelings evolved a way around this which is why being completely removed from an atmosphere doesn't immediately result in suffocation either. They can probably survive for a long time without air much like an ant can.
@@jeebus022 Because the changelings evolved to live in a collective, they can't actually be assimilated in the way that humanoids can. That's why the borg had to negotiate with them. And also why they're not desirable targets for assimilation. tldr: the borg know about the changelings but they don't care. That's why we'll never see the ultimate changeling borg drone.
While this video does point out some valid inconsistencies. A lot of this really has to do with the fact that Odo is a super young and inexperienced changeling.
7:43 You don't freeze that fast in space, because there is no medium. You just lose heat by radiation which is alot slower. That's why cold water freeze you faster than cold air. And space is even less than air.
The "enhanced" Changelings in Picard are inferior to traditional Changelings in every single way. Just like modern Star Trek is inferior to classic Star Trek in every single way.
@@greengreeneya2102 That's not an explanation. Those are symptom of genetic experiments designed to give them abilities THEY ALREADY HAD! It makes Section 31 and Starfleet out to be incredibly stupid.
@@NihilusShadow Nope. These experiments where done during Dominion wars. That virus in DS9 is created via experiments on these Picard changelings. These experiments are done to create weapon against them, not to make them stronger. Watch actual show and do not talk nonsense.
@@greengreeneya2102 Perhaps it is you who should rewatch the show. Vadic's Changelings were experimented on as part of "Project Proteus" which was a program attempting to create Changelings who could fool all known methods of detection, such as blood screenings, and serve as "perfect" spies for the Federation. The only problem is THEY COULD ALREADY DO THAT!!! That's what this video is demonstrating.
@@NihilusShadow These experiments are done during Dominion wars. To create weapons against Founders. Also S3 of Picard is not created by Alex Kurtzman. He literally hates S3 of Picard. And it is jealous on its success. This season is created by Terry Matalas actual fan who worked on Voyager and Enterprise. Also many people who worked on TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise returned for S3 of Picard. By bashing on S3 of Picard you are actually helping Alex Kurtzman.
@@greengreeneya2102 Oh, so like Discovery's Klingons then. And that makes it better how?... Still seems to me like a cheap writing cop out to avoid having to actually do your research on the species existing lore, and that's a shame.
@@BertoxolusThePuzzled You obviously did not watched S3 of Picard. Nope these Klingons where total trash and why they look different is never explaned. In S3 of Picard why Changelings are different is literally explaned in actual show.
@@violenceisfun If something is explaned in actual show, then continuity is not ignored. Story is just expanded. In your logic TNG movies destroyed continuity when they invented Borg Queen
I have an idea for a video for you major grin. The ai formations the starfleet ships do to work in a cordinated manner, its like when hermes burecratic head takes over the ships to fight the gold death stars in futurama
Normally I would agree with Major Grin's videos about bs in the recent Star Trek shows however this one is not one of them. Since Picard season 3 explained why these Changeling are different. Section 31 tortured and experimented on them which explains why these Changeling are different. They are better at infiltration but the trade off is that they are not as durable or resistant to damage like the other Changelings which explains why they can be killed easily. They probably don't live as long as them too.
@Nitpicking Nerd Okay. The old Changelings were better at infiltrating. These experimented ones were probably able to sneak around Federation and Starfleet bases because: 1. Section 31 didn't want anyone to know that they were holding some of their Dominion enemies and experimenting on them. 2. The Federation heard that there was a splinter group of Changelings that wanted to continue causing problems in the Alpha Quadrant but chose to do nothing because they didn't want to start the Dominion War again. (This one doesn't make sense. It is not the Dominion they would be fighting. It is just a small group that they could handle if they bothered to deal with it. Worf even said that Odo contacted him about them to warn the Federation about possible Changeling infiltration.) 3. The Federation seems to be a bit lax despite certain tragedies and disasters that happened to them, like the Romulan group that feared synthetics that they hacked them made the synthetic on Mars scorch the planet. (However, by doing this, they got most of their people on Romulas killed when the Supernova happened since this allowed members of those in the Federation an excuse not to help them since they did not trust the Romulans despite the Romulans helping them against the Dominion during the Dominion War and their peace negotiation talks.) And before that there was the Construct device on the Protostar in Star Trek Prodigy that almost did a Order 66 on the Federation by making all their ships attack each other. They were only able to avoid that due to the crew of the Protostar asking Non-Federeration ships to help stall the destruction like the Klingons, Gorn, Xindi, Ferengi and Vulcans(The Vulcans are part of the Federation but they also have their own ships just like other members of the Federation.) and the Hologram Janeway sacrificing herself by moving the ship at a safe distance and using the Protostar Drive to overload and blow itself up to destroy the Construct.
Oh, come on, someone tell me how a super strong, megalomaniac, highly intelligent and methodical species that is hard to kill, has an evolved set of rules and morals that was purposely used sparingly in the previous series would be compelling on screen today, their first appearance since the first loss their species had ever faced in recent years.
Trek ALWAYS had inconsistencies! And sorry to say Grin, but Voyager's were WORSE! Plus, you realize most of these are LITERALLY explained in-series. Therefore not technically an inconsistency at all. Id call them explainable retcons which is fine and valid.
@@TheRealNormanBates Not at all but that's your opinion. Once again, Voyager was worse and possibly the worst Trek ever had to offer. Need I point you to Threshold? And thats one example. And you are way out of the loop. Kurtzman isnt hands-on anymore or involved in the creation process any longer. Terry is and he knows his stuff and once AGAIN...these inconsistencies are explained in-show. But thanks for the "Nope! Nope! It sucks! Fake news! They don't know Trek! Taking my ball and going home" arguement.
@@TheRealNormanBates Did you watch Picard Season 3? Don't trust major Grin. He has a way of cutting out things that disprove his point. The things here were explained in-universe. When something is explained how can you say the writers didn't know or call it inconsistent? 😂 The writers indeed know DS9 and trust me im obsessed with DS9. So they aren't mistakes. The writers decided to change what they thought didn't work and explained it in-universe. I can agree with the changes.....and I didn't even love Season 3 because I wanted more DS9 love, a trip to Terok Nor at the very least. Hopefully Star Trek Legacy if it gets greenlit will show more DS9 love
@@NitroYouthEnergy Don't get me wrong! It wasn't a perfect season but I actually really loved it. But yea, what Major Grin isn't saying is, there are not inconsistencies when they are literally explained in the show. Ofc one can argue they shouldn't have changed anything but I also like the differences and direction they went in. It WAS logical.
@@TheRealNormanBates He has nothing to do with Picard S3. Terry Matalas is creator of S3. He also worked on Voyager and Enterprise. Many other people from old series work on this season. Also nothing of these are contradiction. Everything is literally explaned in Picard. This whole video is clickbait
Also remember that when Vadic gets yeeted into space she didn't think to use her arms to latch onto something inside the bridge. And they don't have muscles so they wouldn't get tired. My guess is the experiment Vadic and Co. were under came with some drawbacks to their physiology. No instant stabby weapons like with Las in DS9 or being able to traverse space. Still doesn't excuse the executing other Changelings bit. Those should've been just hired goons because they introduced more plot problems.
Calling it fan fiction would imply that they actually liked the original source material. As far as I can tell, these people hold nothing but contempt for what came before.
Good edit. The video is just missing the clips where the female changeling says to lower the temperature in the room. Because changelings don't freeze, the cold even helps them to transform. The only thing I forgive is the smoking because they can replicate internal organs, like lungs, as mutant changelings. Otherwise we know they can take the form of any humanoid and turn liquid at any moment. So they should be immune to stab wounds and the whole frozen Vadic thing doesn't make any sense.
But when do they say this? Apart from knowing that they can perfectly replicate internal organs, nothing is said about these weaknesses you speak of. Also many solids live in space like the space creature in the clip 7:24, so they not only got a weakness but only human weaknesses specifically? It doesn't hold.
@@ilmistico90 they don’t say it explicitly, but real biology is full of trade-offs. Being warm blooded allows mammals and birds to survive in colder climates than cold-blooded animals, but it also means we have to consume a lot more calories on a daily basis. Being bipedal frees our hands, but it also limits the width of the pelvis, making birthing more difficult. Etc etc.
@@AWriterWandering According to this "blood" reasoning, they would also had to overcome the weakness to revert to liquid form and sleep in the pot. Instead we saw the changeling go through withdrawal because he was maintaining solid form for too long 4:15. Another absurd thing the vase was a simple choice by Odo it's not a universal thing that all changelings have to sleep in that type of container. Demonstration that the writers are not informed or work on superficial information.
@@ilmistico90 Except Terry Matalas is a longtime Star Trek fan... not to mention, he began his career working as an associate on Voyager and Enterprise...
Keep in mind that Odo is a very young Changeling. He's only been able to shapeshift for around 20 years. Other Changelings have had centuries of experience. There are a lot of things other Changelings can do that Odo can't. Odo didn't even know he could turn into fire until Laas showed up. It's very likely that experienced Changelings can gain a sense of smell. Don't forget that the baby Changeling didn't have sight either so they can learn to develop senses with their shapeshifting.
They are almost a god level species, their biggest error was not being able to understand the redeeming aspects of solids because of their proclivity for the same order found in the rest of nature.
@@davidlandrum I don't hate Enterprise, but I certainly don't like it. And that show at least had people working on it who didn't activate hate the franchise. Until the IP is taken from Secret Hideout and Alex Klutzman, I refuse to engage with anything made since STD.
Old trek made you feel like you were some unimportant ensign in the background observing things as they happened. NuTrek uses all of these fancy camera angles and cinematography tricks to make everything look fancier, but it can't cover up how shallow a foundation NuTrek is built upon
There is ZERO suspense of disbelief. Star Trek went from having an unprecedented and unrivaled amount of immersion to being like every other destroyed franchise, a reanimated corpse puppet shallower than a puddle and something that can only be seen from a 4th wall perspective.
Is anyone honestly surprised that these writers still suck? They gave you a bunch of nostalgia berries but at the end of the day, they're still hacks that can't build within a world.
This video is bad clickbait. These changelings in Picard are explaned as different. They are mutated as result of Section 31 experiments. They are sick and in constant pain. They have some new abilities, but they also lack some other abilities normal changelings have. They are not part of Great link. They are outcasted
@@greengreeneya2102 Give it up with the clickbait spam posts. You're just making excuses up for bad, inconsistant writing from hacks because you're a nu-trek fanboy.
@@ValiantWrestling Nope this video is bad clickbait. S3 of Picard is amazing. Literally the best Star trek since Voyager. And S3 of Picard is literally created by Terry Matalas. Person who actually worked on Voyager and Enterprise. Also many people who worked on TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise returned for S3 of Picard. Watch actual show and do not believe to clickbait videos.
@@ValiantWrestling Saying these stupid things you are literally insulting all these people from classic Star trek shows who returned to do this season of Picard. Success of this season is literally something Alex Kurtzman did not wanted. Because this was not his show. Terry Matalas wants to create new Star trek show set in 25 century with characters of all classic shows. And Alex Kurtzman literally does not want to let him do that. Soo by bashing this you are literally helping Alex Kurtzman.
Supposedly the changelings in Picard were different than natural changelings because they had been experimented on and modified in starfleet labs to try and weaponize them . That’s why they looked so “meaty” apparently.
Right. The differences and the tradeoffs were directly addressed in Picard. The 'modified' Changelings had abilities that let them infiltrate and mimic much more accurately and pass things like blood tests and keeping their form after dying, but the trade-off was new weaknesses - including a much-reduced lifespan. As for scanning, I don't think it's much of a leap to think that in 20+ years scanning against changelings has advanced significantly. I think everything with the Changelings in Picard are plausible, but perhaps could have been explained better.
5:50 I don't believe the underlings of Vadic were changelings themselves. I don't remember seeing them revert to liquid form and while they have a humanoid form they are clearly not human (and seem to talk in clicks). My assumption is that they're a modern type of Jem'Hadar and as such can be killed by conventional means and are disposable.
At least one of them was a changeling. When Vadic takes the bridge of the Titan-A at the end of E7, one of the underlings reforms in the turbolift after Shaw falls out.
This is also a possibility, although they did revive pretty quickly, changelings are also notable in forming caste systems with other species in service to them.
This assumption makes some sense. However if the show suggested to the audience they are also changelings, the audience will naturaly understand them as another changelings. Most of the viewers won't go to online discussions after to find out if those underlings were actually someone else.
Weren't these new changelings different, though? I think the show said they were tortured and engineered to pass blood tests and have different properties than the ones we saw in DS9. There are definitely some contradictions, but I think a lot of these perceived issues are really the difference between what the Founders were before and after the virus released on them.
Explaining it by saying they were geneticaly engineered would make sense if it would make sense to engineer them in the first place. Changelings were able to pass the blood test way before they were engineered. So this explanation only creates another contradictions.
@@Lukas-Trnka Prior to these recent changes, they weren't able to create organs. Something happened that allowed them to be different than they were prior to the war. I think we have to understand this just a TV show. For me, because I love to just enjoy and watch the show, the explanation that they were modified or engineered is good enough for me to suspend my disbelief and to enjoy the new content.
@@pterodactylptroll Well, they were always able to create organs, they just were not able to maintain shape of that organ (or any of its part) once it left the main body. Problem is that if they give an explanation, it often is part of a story concept that is weird and unconvincing in the first place. Some people need the story to make a clear sense, others not so much as long as it is fun for them. That is fine. The problem is, that the story has to make sense and then both types of people to be satisfied. Original writers were able to do it for 50 years. These new couldn't do it in a single series they created.
Yes, they were lab modified changelings, presumably by Section 31 who captured some of them trapped in the alpha quadrant. It may be how to tie together the virus Section 31 made. They had to have tested it out to be confident it would even work. My theory is that the Changeling that shapeshifted into an O'Brien shape in "Homefront" was Vadic, they have a similar solid personality.
I mean some things could be explained away as them being inexperienced, seperated from the link and genetically limited but not all of it....a lot is just awful writing.
That doesn't explain it. These Changelings went to the Great Link and recruited Changelings from there. They could merge with Vadic and she would give them her abilities. They're not all "inexperienced".
@@NihilusShadow This video is bad clickbait. These changelings in Picard are explaned as different. They are mutated as result of Section 31 experiments. They are sick and in constant pain. They have some new abilities, but they also lack some other abilities normal changelings have. They are not part of Great link. They are outcasted. Changelings which left the Great link merged with Vadic
Probably the biggest inconsistency and one I’d forgotten was their ability to make Odo human. Though I suppose you could propose that’s a one way trip. It took the death of one changeling to revert it and so the new changelings have a unique ability between the two. A lot of the inconsistencies could be explained this way - their apparent weaknesses are a pay off. Isn’t it stated that they are in constant pain and with a limited life span from getting these abilities? Plus only Vadic’s henchman is likely to be a changeling - they infiltrated Starfleet in the same way.
I give Terry props for a great sendoff of the TNG crew & loved this season. However he did get some things wrong. I know he liked the 'Conspiracy' bugs too & said in someone's podcast that the bugs kill the host. Not completely true as their was survivors after they were removed. At least it was decent & coherent story with good special effects. Compared to STD & SNW bs. Love your vids!
To be fair, the lackeys on STP that were Vadic's henchmen in black with all the monster sounds were never truly identified as changelings themselves. But this still doesn't explain how Jack could easily kill the 4 staff impersonators in the corridor. Those were changelings.
@@NitpickingNerd Yes. The Starfleet impersonators morphed. But the black bird 🐦⬛ people were easily dispatched with hand to hand combat, Worf's sword, or single phaser shots.
@@NitpickingNerd Yes. The Starfleet impersonators morphed. But the black bird 🐦⬛ people were easily dispatched with hand to hand combat, Worf's sword, or single phaser shots.
@@CR500R we saw one of the "bird people" morphing in the turbolift . I wish they'd have some excuse that they weren't full changelings or something , but there wasn't
@@theevilascotcompany9255I always thought it was that Odo wasn’t as sturdy as the more experienced changelings, which was why Mirror Odo died in one shot while the Martok Changeling could survive quite a few. Maybe if Odo had reacted faster, he could have shapeshifted in a way that would dissipate the energy or something.
@@oliverlow2474 Well, we know in the main Prime Universe, Klingon disruptor pistols can kill a changeling (but only a whole lot of them at once). It stands to reason that a Klingon/Cardassian alliance that has very recently fought a total war against the mighty Terran Empire would have more powerful versions of such weapons, such that one shot at max setting can kill Odo.
This video is bad clickbait. These changelings in Picard are explaned as different. They are mutated as result of Section 31 experiments. They are sick and in constant pain. They have some new abilities, but they also lack some other abilities normal changelings have. They are not part of Great link. They are outcasted
Ensign Redshirt: *"Sir, I need a sample of yo--"* Vadic: *"it's MA'AM"* Redshirt: *"Excuse me, I need a sample of your blood."* Vadic: _grabs dagger_ *"You want blood? Here, you can have my WHOLE HAND FOR ALL I CARE!"*
This is a well done edit! I miss the DS9 changelings...so very different and much better than the Picard garbage. They had more dignity and detachment...and weren't 2d cartoon villains.
This video is bad clickbait. These changelings in Picard are explaned as different. They are mutated as result of Section 31 experiments. They are sick and in constant pain. They have some new abilities, but they also lack some other abilities normal changelings have. They are not part of Great link. They are outcasted
@@greengreeneya2102 It's amusing you think this makes it all better. Section 31 tried to "enhance" the Changelings, but this video demonstrates that Changelings could already do what S31 wanted them to do and in the end S31 created inferior Changelings who have no real enhancements, but inherited a ton of new weaknesses and limitations they didn't have before. But everyone acts like they're super Changelings; perfect spies. What a load of crap.
Thank you. Picard S3 is a polished turd, but still a turd. Especially when you watch Best of Both worlds part 2 and Beverly says "even his DNA is reverting...so how did they use it."
The only nutrek I've truly enjoyed was picard season 3. Discovery could have been good with better writers and just stated it a different timeline or reboot
To fake a blood test, all a changeling would have to do is keep a supply of the host's blood, then open up its skin and force the blood out. Always thought this was a dumb test.
1:08 (Goldshirt conducting a routine blood screening) "Huh. According to this blood sample scan, you're both a pure-blooded Vulcan, AND you've been dead for fifteen hours. (Pause) Whelp, nothin' out of the ordinary here! Have a good day, Commander O'Shaughnessy!"
Picard Season 3 wasn't terrible! I just wish they had more DS9 stuff with Bajor and the prophets. I wanted the big bad to be the pah wraiths! But it was good Trek anyway!!
I just rewatched this video now and I realized I miss those Klingon disruptors that shoot green bolts. I think we haven't seen them in a long time. We keep getting reimagined variations of Klingons and if they use familiar weapons, those are the blade weapons. I played Klingon Honor Guard quite a lot when it came out, so the disruptors bring back memories.
The only possible excuse I could give them is that these aren't classic dominion changelings, they're section 31 bio-weapon changelings which could have entirely different properties.
Every series violates previous canon in some way. But they only did it when a great story required it. Now they just ignore canon to make worse stories. The worst of both worlds.
This video is bad clickbait. These changelings in Picard are explaned as different. They are mutated as result of Section 31 experiments. They are sick and in constant pain. They have some new abilities, but they also lack some other abilities normal changelings have. They are not part of Great link. They are outcasted.
Glad you made this one. I'm cool with the cigarette change, since that'd be a really kind of cool quirk for the genetic experimentation to have effected.
Okay, so here's my read on it and I don't see this in many videos: They got the Changelings "enhanced abilities" entirely wrong, as they were things they could always do. But the thing they could do that the old ones couldn't is turn a solid into a shapeshifter. That was the nature of the experimentation. I think this for two major lines; "How much of that goo sh*t did they pump into you?" and "We can share this gift with anyone." Meaning I think that most of Vedick's crew were like, half-changeling and not really full great link changeling. But yeah, it drove me nuts every single time they used scanners to find them or acted like their old abilities were somehow new. My one issue with that season.
Also vadic talks like a comical humanoid maniac. Real changelings are calm, passive agressive, calculating, and have a biological preference for order and serenity. Especially these conservative changelings, who would double down on the avoidance of humanoid behaviors, emotions, and desires. The only changeling we’ve seen act anywhere close to this was the female changeling when both she and her entire species were dying a horrible death and when the cardassians revolted.
These aren't all contradictions. You're assuming nothing has changed in the 25 years since DS9, and a lot of this is explained in Picard (the apparent differences between regular changelings and these fleshier versions, for example). And the ones in these videos technically did revert to a liquid state. They just went to dust afterwards! I know that one's stretching it, though. =)
Simple explanation for all of this is that DS9 was the 2370s, Picard S3 was the 2400s. Military technology advanced considerably because of the Dominion War. But that still doesn't excuse Vadic. Extremely bad character. One of the most terribly written villains ever portrayed in all of fiction. A real low point for an otherwise great season of television.
I always loved that Sisko's dad is the one to figure out that blood screenings are bs.
Right? It's almost as if he was a shifty admiral in another life!
@@redshirtveteran5688 haha yeah
To be fair, the changelings in Picard Season 3 were a radical rogue group that broke off from the Great Link.
They were also experimented on by S31 to perfectly mimic a humanoid to the point that they were truly like a solid and lost their other natural abilities.
You say that like that happening wouldn't need an entire season to justify. Like the writers can just throw that in and we'll accept it like it's trivial for a changeling to just "break off" of the great link.
Doesn't explain the change of their bio and cellular changes
and had the support of the Borg.
That's what made the Changeling's/Founders scary is they could be any one and they did not need a bucket. They could use parts of their body as a spear/tendril/weapon. They can live in a vacuum as they dont have lungs/organs. With Martok we found out they passed blood screening. You could not kill them with knives and Starfleet needed phaser sweeps to find them.
And we only know for sure that the phaser sweeps worked on Odo. A more experienced changeling may have been able to withstand them without losing it's shape.
00:05 This is not Klingon blood.......
why was klingon blood pink on the movie and red on the shows i always wonder about that?
Oh no the blood in Undiscovered Country is pink to to avoid a higher movie age rating.
@@DanBen07 Yet, it was a puddle of human blood that prompted the line... makes the pink blood canon for me ^_^
@@DanBen07 that might not be true. I could imagine the problem was the CGI then was still really basic, and making translucent red blood would have been harder (DS9 and ST6 came out the same year practically), so the tech for Odo is about the same, a very thick-looking liquid. Also, there's a deleted scene of a human dressed as a Klingon being killed, and they comment, "This isn't Klingon blood" before removing the disguise. So they needed blood to look non-human for that scene to make sense. I doubt movie censors care about the blood colour when a person is shot.
@@notanactualuser Well I heard it in interviews but a lot of websites have this as an answer "The reason was to protect the film's PG rating. The amount of blood seen splattered on-screen when Chancellor Gorkon (David Warner) was assassinated would have forced a PG-13 or possibly even an R rating with the MPAA."
Dude, your videos about this deserve $500,000,000 Quatloos. They should
Hire people like you to write for the show and make it coherent again.
NO I say, 1 Billion Quatloos
@@grast5150 100 Billion Quatloos!
You know to be fair, the Lars episode was kind of insane how crazy OP he is as a Changeling, to the point that I think he's the strongest changeling ever shown on screen. I mean turning into fog? Warp capable space travel? The other founders could do some crazy stuff, but mostly just opted for tentacles or occasionally doing something like steel arms, but that episode made them god tier.
They are considered gods by an entire quadrant of the galaxy
Star Trek in general was way too cavalier about making space-dwelling organisms warp capable. It really doesn't make sense, even within the rules of the Trek universe.
He also turned into flames of fire.
@@NitpickingNerdwait, I thought it was only the Jem’Hadar and Weyouns people that considered them gods?
This is just my own interpretation, but I suspect most of the older changelings can do similar things, but view using those abilities for personal combat or exploration as beneath them or too dangerous. None of the original changelings except Laas liked fighting or saw any point in it other than for completing a larger objective. Most of the hitting or tendrils were sufficient and incidental to doing something else. Just my thought.
Will this nightmare never end?!
Soon.
Paramount is hemorrhaging hundreds of millions of dollars and they have no real plans after Nu Trek: Strange New Worlds season 2.
@@davidlandrum uhm Disco S5, Lower Decks S4&5, SNW S3, Starfleet Academy Series, Section 31 movie
But sure no plans after SNW S2
@@davidlandrum Discovery is hemoraging money. SNW is not. lower decks is not. Prodigy, started in the red, but has since broke even (it might still get the ax as overall the season is in the red, but the later episodes had better support; showed potential for profit with a possible second season) but yeah trek is totally bleeding money like someone jabbed a knife through your jugular.
I dont like a lot of the new trek stuff (especially that failed coat hanger abortion called Discovery) but im realistic as too where the studio stands with the franchise.
@@dustinherk8124 Paramount+ lost over $511 million this quarter.
@@No773.6 i’M s0 ExCIteD! 🤡
Joseph Sisko, smarter than any writer on Season 3 of Discard and all post-Enterprise writers.
The contradictions between classic Trek and nuTrek could overpopulate Jupiter.
This video is bad clickbait. These changelings in Picard are explaned as different. They are mutated as result of Section 31 experiments. They are sick and in constant pain. They have some new abilities, but they also lack some other abilities normal changelings have. They are not part of Great link. They are outcasted
@@greengreeneya2102 And yet no one even bothers to just try and shoot them with the stun setting. Not even doctors.
@@alexstall650 Because these do not work on them.
@@greengreeneya2102 If they can be killed by swords and have their necks snapped, then they should be able to be stunned. You said yourself that they were weaker.
@@alexstall650 They can not be killed by sword. Only by phasers in Picard. They can only be slowdown by sword and neck craked.
Watching these DS9 clips makes me want to re-watch it.
Well it's almost as if the producers of this new star trek never really watched actual Star Trek... surely not. ;P
This video is bad clickbait. These changelings in Picard are explaned as different. They are mutated as result of Section 31 experiments. They are sick and in constant pain. They have some new abilities, but they also lack some other abilities normal changelings have. They are not part of Great link. They are outcasted
Unrelated to the clip, but it just occurred to me the whole pulling Enterprise-D out of museum is pretty much the same as pulling the Missouri into action again in movie Battleship.
Add one more non-trek movie to the list of what STP writers were lifting idea from.
By this time it's parody. The writers from Nu Trek aren't even bothering to remember the canon established lore from Legacy Trek! I've never wanted to see a boom head shot more than that changeling broad in Picard.
Its preferable for me to think of Vadic as her crew as an imperfect attempt by Starfleet to create new Changelings, hence why they are so blatantly inferior to real ones. That at least is the best lore explanation, the more obvious one being that the writers never watched DS9
I prefer to think of each Trek series taking place in its own universe within a multiverse. I even consider the TNG movies exist in an alternate universe to the tv series. This is why the pink Klingon blood is red in DS9, why the alpha quadrant holds all ciswormhole powers when other series established the federation being in the Alpha and Beta quadrants. There are several other examples to give.
What really matters is if the series in question does not contradict itself.
One thing I'm noticing in re-watching the series is that the portrayal of the Ferengi is super-inconsistent on TNG vs DS9. Even while the two shows were running concurrently.
On TNG they're always scheming and evil, and are portrayed as a hostile medium-level power in the galaxy. We see the Ferengi military, and Ferengi captains: DaiMon Bock, DaiMon Tarr, etc. It's even implied that they have a somewhat normal government; the "Ferengi Council" is mentioned in one episode I think.
On DS9, all of that is completely missing, despite innumerable Ferengi episodes. They're just ridiculous greedy businessmen, played entirely for laughs. And their government seems to run at the pleasure of someone called the "Nagus", and is concerned only with new business opportunities.
While I'm no big fan of STP, a grand majority of these aren't really contradictions. It only stands to reason the Federation would work to improve their means of detecting changelings and that any rogue ones would in turn learn how to evade old techniques. It's also pretty explicitly stated that the way Odo shapeshifts into a human, no organs and whatnot, is not something other changelings with more skill do.
Let Picard be another forgotten failure
Even season 3?
@@justdog5506 Yes, it’s the worst one.
Agreed.
It’s like the rise of skywalker. The previous installment was on a numeric and entertainment level worse. But its role in the series as a finale makes it the worst. Picard season 3 was also a cavalcade of unwatchable fan service nonsense that blatantly went against its own nu trek writing failures.
Along with any Trek released after Enterprise’s finish.
I'm glad that the newer series keep up the tradition of contradicting previously established lore like TOS and the Berman-era series did. :D
Cool cool. Was just taking a break, ima go finishing binging voyager now.
I wish they elaborated on the relationship between the borg and the changelings. First of all, how did the changelings in the Daystrom Institute get in contact with the borg? Obviously humans at Daystrom experimented with borg nanoprobes on the changeling. Although obviously starfleet wasn't aware at the time that the borg collective was connected telepathically rather than technologically. Basically, humans assimilated the changelings. Secondly, why did the borg have to resort to threats instead of directly controlling the changelings? Well the borg stated "your physiology isn't as complex as you believe." Meaning that borg can't successfully assimilate changelings, they're too different from typical humanoids, and that changeling minds have evolved to retain their individuality while within the great link. So then why were the changelings cooperating with the borg? Perhaps the borg hive mind was attractive to them and their drive to be a part of a great link also drove them to be a part of a borg collective.
Also, one of the contradictions in the video, the modified changelings being susceptible to swords sorta makes sense since they were modified to shapeshift into true tissues rather than just superimposing the semblance of an organism. This was probably imparted onto the changelings by the borg so that they could better serve the borg's needs. (although granted the rate that they can turn back into a liquid would imply that they should still be able to recover form swords relatively quickly, which is probably why we saw them revive after a short time) However, due to their inability to be truely assimilated, they are probably a low priority or unsuitable species to the borg, which is why they were considered expendable. Also, this is one of two reasons why smoking would likely still affect changelings, despite not having a respiratory system.
The other is due to basic biology. Essentially, before deuterostomes and protostomes on earth, the ancestors of vertebrates, arthropods and molluscs diverged from their common ancestor, bilaterians. Bilaterians lacked a true digestive system which both protostomes and deuterostomes evolved independently. Instead, they digested food using what was called amoeboid motility. What this means is that there is no true lining of the stomach or gut vacuole, and that the cells freely move around freely forming as many vacuoles as they want. Now since most organisms in star trek have defined organs, we can infer that most species loose amoeboid motility because specialized organs use significantly less energy. However, clearly changelings did not and instead specialized in amoeboid motility. However, they must still able to digest food and respire despite this. This means that even if changelings don't have a true repository system or other systems of organs, they must still respire and digest food to some extent. The limitation with passive respiration is that ambient gas has a limited penetration depth of a few millimetres, which is why it tends to be limited to smaller organisms. Clearly changelings evolved a way around this which is why being completely removed from an atmosphere doesn't immediately result in suffocation either. They can probably survive for a long time without air much like an ant can.
The borg weren't in charge. They were just more puppets. Janeway was the real mastermind. Always was.
tldr
@@jeebus022 Because the changelings evolved to live in a collective, they can't actually be assimilated in the way that humanoids can. That's why the borg had to negotiate with them. And also why they're not desirable targets for assimilation.
tldr: the borg know about the changelings but they don't care. That's why we'll never see the ultimate changeling borg drone.
Enterprise D guys!
Including the changlings was really the biggest problem with this season.
Yeah what was the point when, _sigh_ the Borg were the main threat, again…
While this video does point out some valid inconsistencies. A lot of this really has to do with the fact that Odo is a super young and inexperienced changeling.
Keep in mind what ever happened between changed them made them different they evolved
It's like they didn't even watch DS9. - Captain Obvious.
That's a lot of violence
7:43 You don't freeze that fast in space, because there is no medium.
You just lose heat by radiation which is alot slower.
That's why cold water freeze you faster than cold air. And space is even less than air.
The "enhanced" Changelings in Picard are inferior to traditional Changelings in every single way. Just like modern Star Trek is inferior to classic Star Trek in every single way.
They are explaned as sick and in constant pain
@@greengreeneya2102 That's not an explanation. Those are symptom of genetic experiments designed to give them abilities THEY ALREADY HAD! It makes Section 31 and Starfleet out to be incredibly stupid.
@@NihilusShadow Nope. These experiments where done during Dominion wars. That virus in DS9 is created via experiments on these Picard changelings. These experiments are done to create weapon against them, not to make them stronger. Watch actual show and do not talk nonsense.
@@greengreeneya2102 Perhaps it is you who should rewatch the show. Vadic's Changelings were experimented on as part of "Project Proteus" which was a program attempting to create Changelings who could fool all known methods of detection, such as blood screenings, and serve as "perfect" spies for the Federation. The only problem is THEY COULD ALREADY DO THAT!!! That's what this video is demonstrating.
@@NihilusShadow These experiments are done during Dominion wars. To create weapons against Founders.
Also S3 of Picard is not created by Alex Kurtzman. He literally hates S3 of Picard. And it is jealous on its success. This season is created by Terry Matalas actual fan who worked on Voyager and Enterprise. Also many people who worked on TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise returned for S3 of Picard.
By bashing on S3 of Picard you are actually helping Alex Kurtzman.
Exactly what I was thinking the whole time watching PIcard
It’s too early to tell yet how the Changelings came to be after DS9. One is seeing in “Discovery”, so their still around even in the 31st Century.
What's with the fucking cigarettes? It's depressing.
What season is that DS9 episode from at 3:23 ? Name of episode? Don't remember that scene.
Penumbra is the episode where the founder is donating a sample for cure research.
Laas the other changeling baby sent out into the galaxy like Odo is from the episode Chimera. He's stabby like a T1000.
3:11 never get who is this face?
0:29 - Watch his eyes. You can see this actor literally reading his lines from the cue cards 😆
god so many errors.... so many mistakes.... I feel so frustrated .... .... is this how teachers feel when they review students' exams?
😐... what... the changleling storyline was extremely fleshed out .. what the hell is going on here...
This video is clickbait. Changelings in Picard are explaned as different. Mutated as result of Section 31 experiments
@@greengreeneya2102 Oh, so like Discovery's Klingons then. And that makes it better how?...
Still seems to me like a cheap writing cop out to avoid having to actually do your research on the species existing lore, and that's a shame.
If you make a bunch of BS reasons you can make the lore into anything you want and ignore continuity. We get it already.
@@BertoxolusThePuzzled You obviously did not watched S3 of Picard. Nope these Klingons where total trash and why they look different is never explaned.
In S3 of Picard why Changelings are different is literally explaned in actual show.
@@violenceisfun If something is explaned in actual show, then continuity is not ignored. Story is just expanded. In your logic TNG movies destroyed continuity when they invented Borg Queen
Picard season 3 was good
I have an idea for a video for you major grin. The ai formations the starfleet ships do to work in a cordinated manner, its like when hermes burecratic head takes over the ships to fight the gold death stars in futurama
Normally I would agree with Major Grin's videos about bs in the recent Star Trek shows however this one is not one of them. Since Picard season 3 explained why these Changeling are different. Section 31 tortured and experimented on them which explains why these Changeling are different. They are better at infiltration but the trade off is that they are not as durable or resistant to damage like the other Changelings which explains why they can be killed easily. They probably don't live as long as them too.
But the old ones were even better at infiltration
@Nitpicking Nerd Okay. The old Changelings were better at infiltrating. These experimented ones were probably able to sneak around Federation and Starfleet bases because:
1. Section 31 didn't want anyone to know that they were holding some of their Dominion enemies and experimenting on them.
2. The Federation heard that there was a splinter group of Changelings that wanted to continue causing problems in the Alpha Quadrant but chose to do nothing because they didn't want to start the Dominion War again. (This one doesn't make sense. It is not the Dominion they would be fighting. It is just a small group that they could handle if they bothered to deal with it. Worf even said that Odo contacted him about them to warn the Federation about possible Changeling infiltration.)
3. The Federation seems to be a bit lax despite certain tragedies and disasters that happened to them, like the Romulan group that feared synthetics that they hacked them made the synthetic on Mars scorch the planet. (However, by doing this, they got most of their people on Romulas killed when the Supernova happened since this allowed members of those in the Federation an excuse not to help them since they did not trust the Romulans despite the Romulans helping them against the Dominion during the Dominion War and their peace negotiation talks.) And before that there was the Construct device on the Protostar in Star Trek Prodigy that almost did a Order 66 on the Federation by making all their ships attack each other. They were only able to avoid that due to the crew of the Protostar asking Non-Federeration ships to help stall the destruction like the Klingons, Gorn, Xindi, Ferengi and Vulcans(The Vulcans are part of the Federation but they also have their own ships just like other members of the Federation.) and the Hologram Janeway sacrificing herself by moving the ship at a safe distance and using the Protostar Drive to overload and blow itself up to destroy the Construct.
Oh, come on, someone tell me how a super strong, megalomaniac, highly intelligent and methodical species that is hard to kill, has an evolved set of rules and morals that was purposely used sparingly in the previous series would be compelling on screen today, their first appearance since the first loss their species had ever faced in recent years.
You're wrong in everything but whatever.
Trek ALWAYS had inconsistencies! And sorry to say Grin, but Voyager's were WORSE!
Plus, you realize most of these are LITERALLY explained in-series. Therefore not technically an inconsistency at all. Id call them explainable retcons which is fine and valid.
No… it was just typical laziness from Col. Kurtzman.
@@TheRealNormanBates Not at all but that's your opinion. Once again, Voyager was worse and possibly the worst Trek ever had to offer. Need I point you to Threshold? And thats one example. And you are way out of the loop. Kurtzman isnt hands-on anymore or involved in the creation process any longer. Terry is and he knows his stuff and once AGAIN...these inconsistencies are explained in-show.
But thanks for the "Nope! Nope! It sucks! Fake news! They don't know Trek! Taking my ball and going home" arguement.
@@TheRealNormanBates Did you watch Picard Season 3? Don't trust major Grin. He has a way of cutting out things that disprove his point. The things here were explained in-universe. When something is explained how can you say the writers didn't know or call it inconsistent? 😂
The writers indeed know DS9 and trust me im obsessed with DS9. So they aren't mistakes. The writers decided to change what they thought didn't work and explained it in-universe. I can agree with the changes.....and I didn't even love Season 3 because I wanted more DS9 love, a trip to Terok Nor at the very least. Hopefully Star Trek Legacy if it gets greenlit will show more DS9 love
@@NitroYouthEnergy Don't get me wrong! It wasn't a perfect season but I actually really loved it. But yea, what Major Grin isn't saying is, there are not inconsistencies when they are literally explained in the show. Ofc one can argue they shouldn't have changed anything but I also like the differences and direction they went in. It WAS logical.
@@TheRealNormanBates He has nothing to do with Picard S3. Terry Matalas is creator of S3. He also worked on Voyager and Enterprise. Many other people from old series work on this season. Also nothing of these are contradiction. Everything is literally explaned in Picard. This whole video is clickbait
Also remember that when Vadic gets yeeted into space she didn't think to use her arms to latch onto something inside the bridge. And they don't have muscles so they wouldn't get tired.
My guess is the experiment Vadic and Co. were under came with some drawbacks to their physiology. No instant stabby weapons like with Las in DS9 or being able to traverse space.
Still doesn't excuse the executing other Changelings bit. Those should've been just hired goons because they introduced more plot problems.
Let's just classify everything after Enterprise as bad fan fiction 🤔🤣🤣👍🏽now I have to get back to re watching DS9😁
Absolutely
Calling it fan fiction would imply that they actually liked the original source material.
As far as I can tell, these people hold nothing but contempt for what came before.
@@Dontlicktheballoons How about inflam-fiction.. written to get under actual fans skin...
Correction. Everything after Enterprise is BAD fan fiction.
@@Dontlicktheballoons One can still be a fan and not a very good creator.
Good edit. The video is just missing the clips where the female changeling says to lower the temperature in the room. Because changelings don't freeze, the cold even helps them to transform.
The only thing I forgive is the smoking because they can replicate internal organs, like lungs, as mutant changelings.
Otherwise we know they can take the form of any humanoid and turn liquid at any moment. So they should be immune to stab wounds and the whole frozen Vadic thing doesn't make any sense.
It makes sense as a side effect of the alterations. In making it easier to emulate solids, they also gained some of the weakness of solids.
But when do they say this? Apart from knowing that they can perfectly replicate internal organs, nothing is said about these weaknesses you speak of.
Also many solids live in space like the space creature in the clip 7:24, so they not only got a weakness but only human weaknesses specifically? It doesn't hold.
@@ilmistico90 they don’t say it explicitly, but real biology is full of trade-offs. Being warm blooded allows mammals and birds to survive in colder climates than cold-blooded animals, but it also means we have to consume a lot more calories on a daily basis. Being bipedal frees our hands, but it also limits the width of the pelvis, making birthing more difficult. Etc etc.
@@AWriterWandering According to this "blood" reasoning, they would also had to overcome the weakness to revert to liquid form and sleep in the pot. Instead we saw the changeling go through withdrawal because he was maintaining solid form for too long 4:15.
Another absurd thing the vase was a simple choice by Odo it's not a universal thing that all changelings have to sleep in that type of container. Demonstration that the writers are not informed or work on superficial information.
@@ilmistico90 Except Terry Matalas is a longtime Star Trek fan... not to mention, he began his career working as an associate on Voyager and Enterprise...
Keep in mind that Odo is a very young Changeling. He's only been able to shapeshift for around 20 years. Other Changelings have had centuries of experience. There are a lot of things other Changelings can do that Odo can't. Odo didn't even know he could turn into fire until Laas showed up. It's very likely that experienced Changelings can gain a sense of smell. Don't forget that the baby Changeling didn't have sight either so they can learn to develop senses with their shapeshifting.
Fire and Mist/Fog.
They are almost a god level species, their biggest error was not being able to understand the redeeming aspects of solids because of their proclivity for the same order found in the rest of nature.
We have to make the distinction between _Star Trek_ and _Nu Trek._ They are not the same.
100% correct.
That Awkward moment when The Orville, a star trek parody show, does Star trek better than kurtzman nu trek.
@@dustinherk8124 I came to terms about Star Trek being dead after Enterprise. The attempts at raising the corpse is only a sideshow.
@@davidlandrum I don't hate Enterprise, but I certainly don't like it. And that show at least had people working on it who didn't activate hate the franchise.
Until the IP is taken from Secret Hideout and Alex Klutzman, I refuse to engage with anything made since STD.
@@ToonamiT0M Enterprise is straight fire compared to Nu Trek.
Old trek made you feel like you were some unimportant ensign in the background observing things as they happened. NuTrek uses all of these fancy camera angles and cinematography tricks to make everything look fancier, but it can't cover up how shallow a foundation NuTrek is built upon
truth
There is ZERO suspense of disbelief. Star Trek went from having an unprecedented and unrivaled amount of immersion to being like every other destroyed franchise, a reanimated corpse puppet shallower than a puddle and something that can only be seen from a 4th wall perspective.
I like rhe changelings in ds9 better as they were so much more versatile
As worf couldnt destroy them with his sword
Is anyone honestly surprised that these writers still suck? They gave you a bunch of nostalgia berries but at the end of the day, they're still hacks that can't build within a world.
I mean seriously, how hard is it for PARAMOUNT to hire a TreK geek to make sure things are done right?
They just don't care, they want to milk a franchise till the money from that franchise runs out
Well you can clearly see that these are not the same writers or even from the same generation of writers.
This video is bad clickbait. These changelings in Picard are explaned as different. They are mutated as result of Section 31 experiments. They are sick and in constant pain. They have some new abilities, but they also lack some other abilities normal changelings have. They are not part of Great link. They are outcasted
@@greengreeneya2102 Give it up with the clickbait spam posts.
You're just making excuses up for bad, inconsistant writing from hacks because you're a nu-trek fanboy.
@@ValiantWrestling Nope this video is bad clickbait.
S3 of Picard is amazing. Literally the best Star trek since Voyager.
And S3 of Picard is literally created by Terry Matalas. Person who actually worked on Voyager and Enterprise. Also many people who worked on TNG, DS9, Voyager and Enterprise returned for S3 of Picard. Watch actual show and do not believe to clickbait videos.
@@ValiantWrestling Saying these stupid things you are literally insulting all these people from classic Star trek shows who returned to do this season of Picard. Success of this season is literally something Alex Kurtzman did not wanted. Because this was not his show. Terry Matalas wants to create new Star trek show set in 25 century with characters of all classic shows. And Alex Kurtzman literally does not want to let him do that. Soo by bashing this you are literally helping Alex Kurtzman.
Supposedly the changelings in Picard were different than natural changelings because they had been experimented on and modified in starfleet labs to try and weaponize them . That’s why they looked so “meaty” apparently.
Precisely. Their ability to pass the blood screening was explained, too.
Right. The differences and the tradeoffs were directly addressed in Picard. The 'modified' Changelings had abilities that let them infiltrate and mimic much more accurately and pass things like blood tests and keeping their form after dying, but the trade-off was new weaknesses - including a much-reduced lifespan.
As for scanning, I don't think it's much of a leap to think that in 20+ years scanning against changelings has advanced significantly.
I think everything with the Changelings in Picard are plausible, but perhaps could have been explained better.
5:50 I don't believe the underlings of Vadic were changelings themselves. I don't remember seeing them revert to liquid form and while they have a humanoid form they are clearly not human (and seem to talk in clicks). My assumption is that they're a modern type of Jem'Hadar and as such can be killed by conventional means and are disposable.
At least one of them was a changeling. When Vadic takes the bridge of the Titan-A at the end of E7, one of the underlings reforms in the turbolift after Shaw falls out.
This is also a possibility, although they did revive pretty quickly, changelings are also notable in forming caste systems with other species in service to them.
With subtitles when the click it says Changeling 1: bla Bala bla
This assumption makes some sense. However if the show suggested to the audience they are also changelings, the audience will naturaly understand them as another changelings. Most of the viewers won't go to online discussions after to find out if those underlings were actually someone else.
According to Terry Matalas, they are changelings.
I miss odo
Weren't these new changelings different, though? I think the show said they were tortured and engineered to pass blood tests and have different properties than the ones we saw in DS9.
There are definitely some contradictions, but I think a lot of these perceived issues are really the difference between what the Founders were before and after the virus released on them.
I was going to say this. The show explained why they were different. Was it a good explanation? That's up to us the audience.
Explaining it by saying they were geneticaly engineered would make sense if it would make sense to engineer them in the first place. Changelings were able to pass the blood test way before they were engineered. So this explanation only creates another contradictions.
@@Lukas-Trnka Prior to these recent changes, they weren't able to create organs. Something happened that allowed them to be different than they were prior to the war. I think we have to understand this just a TV show. For me, because I love to just enjoy and watch the show, the explanation that they were modified or engineered is good enough for me to suspend my disbelief and to enjoy the new content.
@@pterodactylptroll Well, they were always able to create organs, they just were not able to maintain shape of that organ (or any of its part) once it left the main body. Problem is that if they give an explanation, it often is part of a story concept that is weird and unconvincing in the first place.
Some people need the story to make a clear sense, others not so much as long as it is fun for them. That is fine. The problem is, that the story has to make sense and then both types of people to be satisfied. Original writers were able to do it for 50 years. These new couldn't do it in a single series they created.
Yes, they were lab modified changelings, presumably by Section 31 who captured some of them trapped in the alpha quadrant. It may be how to tie together the virus Section 31 made. They had to have tested it out to be confident it would even work. My theory is that the Changeling that shapeshifted into an O'Brien shape in "Homefront" was Vadic, they have a similar solid personality.
I mean some things could be explained away as them being inexperienced, seperated from the link and genetically limited but not all of it....a lot is just awful writing.
All of these is explaned. These changelings are mutated as result of Section 31 experiments. They are not normal. They are sick and in constant pain.
That doesn't explain it. These Changelings went to the Great Link and recruited Changelings from there. They could merge with Vadic and she would give them her abilities. They're not all "inexperienced".
All of it is explained by the writers after they made up a bunch of reasons why previous rules don't matter.
@@NihilusShadow This video is bad clickbait. These changelings in Picard are explaned as different. They are mutated as result of Section 31 experiments. They are sick and in constant pain. They have some new abilities, but they also lack some other abilities normal changelings have. They are not part of Great link. They are outcasted. Changelings which left the Great link merged with Vadic
@@violenceisfun That is something called story evolution. That literally can be stated for every story in TNG, DS9 and Voyager
Probably the biggest inconsistency and one I’d forgotten was their ability to make Odo human. Though I suppose you could propose that’s a one way trip. It took the death of one changeling to revert it and so the new changelings have a unique ability between the two. A lot of the inconsistencies could be explained this way - their apparent weaknesses are a pay off. Isn’t it stated that they are in constant pain and with a limited life span from getting these abilities? Plus only Vadic’s henchman is likely to be a changeling - they infiltrated Starfleet in the same way.
I give Terry props for a great sendoff of the TNG crew & loved this season. However he did get some things wrong. I know he liked the 'Conspiracy' bugs too & said in someone's podcast that the bugs kill the host. Not completely true as their was survivors after they were removed. At least it was decent & coherent story with good special effects. Compared to STD & SNW bs. Love your vids!
It almost like these super changelings aren't really that powerful it almost like they forgot how powerful they were.😊
To be fair, the lackeys on STP that were Vadic's henchmen in black with all the monster sounds were never truly identified as changelings themselves. But this still doesn't explain how Jack could easily kill the 4 staff impersonators in the corridor. Those were changelings.
We literally saw them morphing
@@NitpickingNerd Yes. The Starfleet impersonators morphed. But the black bird 🐦⬛ people were easily dispatched with hand to hand combat, Worf's sword, or single phaser shots.
@@NitpickingNerd Yes. The Starfleet impersonators morphed. But the black bird 🐦⬛ people were easily dispatched with hand to hand combat, Worf's sword, or single phaser shots.
@@NitpickingNerd Thank you for the reply! I love your work! I feel honored to have the man himself reply to my comment! Awesome! 🤘
@@CR500R we saw one of the "bird people" morphing in the turbolift . I wish they'd have some excuse that they weren't full changelings or something , but there wasn't
This is why Puke-Hard Season 3 is the worst!
To be fair, the first time we saw a changeling killed, it was mirror Odo and it only took one phaser blast.
It was a disruptor, and the argument could be made that the mirror universe had engineered stronger weapons due to the more extensive wars they have.
@@theevilascotcompany9255I always thought it was that Odo wasn’t as sturdy as the more experienced changelings, which was why Mirror Odo died in one shot while the Martok Changeling could survive quite a few. Maybe if Odo had reacted faster, he could have shapeshifted in a way that would dissipate the energy or something.
@@oliverlow2474 Well, we know in the main Prime Universe, Klingon disruptor pistols can kill a changeling (but only a whole lot of them at once). It stands to reason that a Klingon/Cardassian alliance that has very recently fought a total war against the mighty Terran Empire would have more powerful versions of such weapons, such that one shot at max setting can kill Odo.
writers of nutrek before this had never seen star trek
writers of this had it running on the side while doing something else
This video is bad clickbait. These changelings in Picard are explaned as different. They are mutated as result of Section 31 experiments. They are sick and in constant pain. They have some new abilities, but they also lack some other abilities normal changelings have. They are not part of Great link. They are outcasted
It's almost as if they they didn't even watch the show they attempted to mimic.
Ensign Redshirt: *"Sir, I need a sample of yo--"*
Vadic: *"it's MA'AM"*
Redshirt: *"Excuse me, I need a sample of your blood."*
Vadic: _grabs dagger_ *"You want blood? Here, you can have my WHOLE HAND FOR ALL I CARE!"*
This is a well done edit! I miss the DS9 changelings...so very different and much better than the Picard garbage. They had more dignity and detachment...and weren't 2d cartoon villains.
This video is bad clickbait. These changelings in Picard are explaned as different. They are mutated as result of Section 31 experiments. They are sick and in constant pain. They have some new abilities, but they also lack some other abilities normal changelings have. They are not part of Great link. They are outcasted
@@greengreeneya2102 It's amusing you think this makes it all better. Section 31 tried to "enhance" the Changelings, but this video demonstrates that Changelings could already do what S31 wanted them to do and in the end S31 created inferior Changelings who have no real enhancements, but inherited a ton of new weaknesses and limitations they didn't have before. But everyone acts like they're super Changelings; perfect spies. What a load of crap.
Some of the differences between Deep Space Nine and Picard are simply because Picard changeling where medically altered.
Yep.
The point was the characters being surprised by changelings ability to do things they were already capable of even before
"No DNA represented whatsoever"....represented? That's not the right word.
I'd buy that they developed scanners that could scan for Changelings in the decades since DS9
Well judging from Laas, looks like all Vadic has to do is pull herself together.
Thank you. Picard S3 is a polished turd, but still a turd. Especially when you watch Best of Both worlds part 2 and Beverly says "even his DNA is reverting...so how did they use it."
The only nutrek I've truly enjoyed was picard season 3. Discovery could have been good with better writers and just stated it a different timeline or reboot
To fake a blood test, all a changeling would have to do is keep a supply of the host's blood, then open up its skin and force the blood out. Always thought this was a dumb test.
Um, Raffa wasn't fighting a bunch of changelings in the corridor, those were Breen.
It's like the current writers never even saw Star Trek before. Never read a cliff note, never caught a synapse. Wow.
Picard's changeling look like different species
so, now changelings look like female versions of Mark E. Smith?
Honestly, that hand-communication thing never made the slightest bit of sense to me.
What a joke
Oh, no. They did it wrong again!
Well done
'So what your saying is, any one of us could be a cylon?'
This entire comments section is making me paranoid - I even keep glancing at my glass of water.
1:08 (Goldshirt conducting a routine blood screening) "Huh. According to this blood sample scan, you're both a pure-blooded Vulcan, AND you've been dead for fifteen hours. (Pause) Whelp, nothin' out of the ordinary here! Have a good day, Commander O'Shaughnessy!"
Picard Season 3 wasn't terrible! I just wish they had more DS9 stuff with Bajor and the prophets. I wanted the big bad to be the pah wraiths! But it was good Trek anyway!!
I still don't get meatface handtalker, but, meh, 'tis done now, we got our Enterprise back, that's what matters... :P
I just rewatched this video now and I realized I miss those Klingon disruptors that shoot green bolts. I think we haven't seen them in a long time. We keep getting reimagined variations of Klingons and if they use familiar weapons, those are the blade weapons. I played Klingon Honor Guard quite a lot when it came out, so the disruptors bring back memories.
The only possible excuse I could give them is that these aren't classic dominion changelings, they're section 31 bio-weapon changelings which could have entirely different properties.
Every series violates previous canon in some way. But they only did it when a great story required it. Now they just ignore canon to make worse stories. The worst of both worlds.
Mocking modern"writers" for inconsistencies is like laughing at a guy in a wheelchair. They can't help being gimped.
This video is bad clickbait. These changelings in Picard are explaned as different. They are mutated as result of Section 31 experiments. They are sick and in constant pain. They have some new abilities, but they also lack some other abilities normal changelings have. They are not part of Great link. They are outcasted.
Glad you made this one. I'm cool with the cigarette change, since that'd be a really kind of cool quirk for the genetic experimentation to have effected.
remember Jeri Ryan said at the red carpet "these writers know Star Trek"
all this made me do was go back and watch DS9 again.
lmao
Not really contradictions, since the changelings in Picard were not your traditional changelings... something clearly explained throughout the season.
Okay, so here's my read on it and I don't see this in many videos: They got the Changelings "enhanced abilities" entirely wrong, as they were things they could always do. But the thing they could do that the old ones couldn't is turn a solid into a shapeshifter. That was the nature of the experimentation. I think this for two major lines; "How much of that goo sh*t did they pump into you?" and "We can share this gift with anyone." Meaning I think that most of Vedick's crew were like, half-changeling and not really full great link changeling. But yeah, it drove me nuts every single time they used scanners to find them or acted like their old abilities were somehow new. My one issue with that season.
She could share it with other changelings not anyone
@@NitpickingNerd She specifically said, "we can share this gift with anyone."
Also vadic talks like a comical humanoid maniac. Real changelings are calm, passive agressive, calculating, and have a biological preference for order and serenity. Especially these conservative changelings, who would double down on the avoidance of humanoid behaviors, emotions, and desires. The only changeling we’ve seen act anywhere close to this was the female changeling when both she and her entire species were dying a horrible death and when the cardassians revolted.
These aren't all contradictions. You're assuming nothing has changed in the 25 years since DS9, and a lot of this is explained in Picard (the apparent differences between regular changelings and these fleshier versions, for example).
And the ones in these videos technically did revert to a liquid state. They just went to dust afterwards! I know that one's stretching it, though. =)
People who say season 3 is what we wanted are mistaken
Simple explanation for all of this is that DS9 was the 2370s, Picard S3 was the 2400s. Military technology advanced considerably because of the Dominion War. But that still doesn't excuse Vadic. Extremely bad character. One of the most terribly written villains ever portrayed in all of fiction. A real low point for an otherwise great season of television.