As someone who likes to watch but doesnt play SF V this kind of quick analysis is super helpful. I don't need to know all the frame data on every move or how much dmg he can get off every combo, just having a quick breakdown of the general gameplan with example footage really helps me understand whats going on. Its easy to watch a seth vid and be like "ah that succ seems real annoying" but not fully understand how its being used or why it lets him get away with those dashes.
5:43 I kind of started to think mid way through "if the opponent is doing axe kick pressure in the corner, why not just try to dash on reaction to the rising jump and cross underneath them?" Nevermind that reacting to the jump start up while dealing with the other offense such as dash up throw. That's when I realized SKZ was spaced so if Samurai did attempt to do just that he'd land right on top of the axe kick, lol. Still, I wonder if there are any characters who have a dash that go far and fast enough to cross under on reaction? Also jeez, I didn't know they made VS1 a viable neutral tool. I just assumed it was an easy wiff punish and was something you only used if you could confirm into it. Guessing recovery frames are going to be added to it in the next patch.
Well Seths VS1 has 25 frames of recovery. That's longer than a regular fireball. You can jump in for a full punish on reaction so the recovery is fair. If we are looking for nerfs I think the only things that would probably be changed are the pushback on axe kick blocks - either that or they will be made more minus on standing block, and theyll probably reduce pushback on some of his specials like light tatsu which is -8 on block but very hard to punish (only like 3 characters can punish it and one of them is Seth and the other requires EX to do so.)
That axe kick low to the ground giving my Thunder DP follow up vibes. He's so low to the ground I'll punish the dp aaanndd I'm getting stomped on by the follow up
You think you're safe...you think you'll be alright...you decide to go to the supermarket to go food shopping...you step one foot out your front door... *Axe Kick*
I feel a lot of concepts you talked about here apply to UI Goku in dbfz. They both have such a wide pocket of deadly options, one slip up and they go to town.
@@NBDbingo5 Tekken is a 1-2 combo game. I know from experience. If I had a pixel for every time I’ve seen people get TOD’ed I’d have a fucking super computer’s worth
How plus is seth after he lands his tandem engine, like can he dash after and still get oki? If not, then better to just risk getting hit by it and pressing buttons to check dashes instead?
The main point in my opinion, is that all these options are pretty much completely safe for Seth. He can just throw out special moves all day long and never get punished. Imagine if other characters were like that... Like if Ryu had safe tatsus on block, the match-up against Guile would be bit different 😄
I main Seth (because I think his combos are fun) but it is hilarious when you are fighting Ryu and you v-skill fireball any they completely forget that you have that
Since I haven't seen it mentioned I'll give my two cents. Main Abi, if that's not your thing learn Abigail as a secondary to at least a decent level. Abigail absolutely destroys low health, dive kick type characters without a fireball aka Cammy and Seth. Simply block the cannon spike or annihilation sword and they will always be negative due to how tall Abigail is. The damage output between Abigail and Seth is comparable, but the life is not. Seth needs one extra hit over what he would need against any other character to end you. Meanwhile, a single crush counter cr.hk into vt2 combo will erase 50% of Seth life. And if that combo lands with CA? Then Seth says goodbye to 70% of his lifebar right then and there. A player with higher skill than you could obviously still beat you, but the feeling of satisfaction when the Seth player texts you complaining that Abi is broken is priceless.
Seth almost replaced Juri as my main...they’re gonna get nerfed and I’m still gonna play them 🤣 Seth is freaking amazing, love the combos and their tools overall
Looking at all the good options that Seth has makes me sad to be a Ryu player. My moves fit on a post it note, but his are the size of serval college textbooks. Makes me wonder if Capcom understands good character balance.
As a Vega main i feel your pain bro. Had the same feeling when i messed around with dictator and it felt like going from a pocket knife to a fkn nuke lol. And no they dont or else they wouldnt balance characters around health....just to name one example why
Super intresting to see what's going on in the street fighter world. But the real question is if you are picking up the best game? I wanna see me some Sajam +R +GGPO
I stopped playing around the end of season 2, and only came back for gill once, so playing this now I can see SFV really did redeem itself in the end. Frame Data wise tho they was smoking crack why is a jab plus FOUR
Seth’s Axe kick needs the hammer, no doubt about it, I main Seth and Sajam analysis is spot on, it’s the combination of thing that makes Seth too strong at open people up but if Axe kick got nerf by next patch, Seth need to receive something really good in return (SPD/command grab for example) otherwise Seth will be trash tier.
My question is why isn't anyone talkin' about the fact that he copied the axe kick from makoto? It's deadlier in my opinion when he uses it due to his overall size and probably the reason why they haven't added her to SFV :(
It's almost like while it's okay for characters to have strong tools that are better than average for their intended playstyle, it can get problematic if characters have strong tools that are better than average in multiple situations. But I don't play SFV so what do I know.
It’s apparent how theses developers release dlc characters now adays with broken buttons just so they can sell more characters.They give guile an air boom and nerf that shit to the point it’s damn near pointless to use.Give the old school character Viable tools to compete with the dlc characters or take em out the game .This aint rocket science people smh.
Wtf are you talking about, almost all dlc characters came out as mid or low tiers. Only exceptions that come to mind are menat, G and Seth. Alex is shit, Guile, balrog and urien were shit at launch (now they're simply viable), juri is shit, s2 characters except akuma were shit and I can just keep going. There's no conspiracy here dude, just the same old bad balance.
Idk man videos like this without the context of the rest of the character seem real irresponsible. It paints Seth to be this unbeatable pressure monster when even at the top levels of competition he can be exploited. Like wasn't there only a single Seth made top 8 at CPT Asia this weekend? He's pretty strong don't get me wrong but idk this feels like farming manufactured rage for content.
This is analysis to explain how the tools of a character work together to enable aggression, and what makes this character particular strong. If this was a manufactured video about Seth being good for content, it would have 0 analysis, and be titled "SETH THE NEW BROKEN TOP TIER?!?!?!?!?!?!" with a screaming face as a reaction. We all know Seth is top 3, maybe the strongest character in the game. This is to explain why, and educate.
![[SFV] SETH 45 Copy Combo Showcase](/img/n.gif)
"Seth is so strong"
Me, not able to get out of Rookie vs. AFK players; "Ah, yes. Seth. Very strong. Good analysis."
"There are so many powerful tools that you have to worry about..."
Yeah, like axe kick, axe kick, axe kick... and have i mentioned axe kick?
Ur so humble but probably gold not rookie xdd
hahahaha!
@@danieljeje1353 Nope. Rookie.
Pffft I'm still in bronze. I dropped juri for Seth but I still lose to that shoto Dp bs
season 5 patch notes:
lower his health by 25 and give him a fireball
"And make it slow moving while having it take bigger space than most fireballs
How to nerf Seth? By buffing Paul's death fist🙃
Nerf axe kick but then buff ex axe kick and give him a command grab
@@deejones8552 season 4 deathfist is now a launcher
@@cloude8496 yo just like season 1, tekken balance is coming full circle
this video is mad good. it would be dope to see similar breakdowns for other top tiers or even low tiers.
i totally agree
As someone who likes to watch but doesnt play SF V this kind of quick analysis is super helpful. I don't need to know all the frame data on every move or how much dmg he can get off every combo, just having a quick breakdown of the general gameplan with example footage really helps me understand whats going on.
Its easy to watch a seth vid and be like "ah that succ seems real annoying" but not fully understand how its being used or why it lets him get away with those dashes.
SF4 Seth put you in the blender when he got close
SFV Seth puts you in the blender when the round starts
SFVI: Seth's a blender.
Or if you're playing offline Seth puts you in the blender no matter what.
I choked on my goddamn water at 5:20. I feel bad for samurai but that was hilarious
This was him getting a taste of his own medicine.
wow, that axe kick section reminded me of super sfiv yun
“AE”
"SF3 Hong Kong edition"
Super street fighter 4 didn't have yun
I feel like this is def more comparable to Makoto in 3S with her SA1.
Yun : "haha divekick goes woooooooh"
5:43 I kind of started to think mid way through "if the opponent is doing axe kick pressure in the corner, why not just try to dash on reaction to the rising jump and cross underneath them?" Nevermind that reacting to the jump start up while dealing with the other offense such as dash up throw. That's when I realized SKZ was spaced so if Samurai did attempt to do just that he'd land right on top of the axe kick, lol. Still, I wonder if there are any characters who have a dash that go far and fast enough to cross under on reaction?
Also jeez, I didn't know they made VS1 a viable neutral tool. I just assumed it was an easy wiff punish and was something you only used if you could confirm into it. Guessing recovery frames are going to be added to it in the next patch.
Ibuki's command dash, I guess?
Nash and ibuki's .
Well Seths VS1 has 25 frames of recovery. That's longer than a regular fireball. You can jump in for a full punish on reaction so the recovery is fair. If we are looking for nerfs I think the only things that would probably be changed are the pushback on axe kick blocks - either that or they will be made more minus on standing block, and theyll probably reduce pushback on some of his specials like light tatsu which is -8 on block but very hard to punish (only like 3 characters can punish it and one of them is Seth and the other requires EX to do so.)
The way sajam explains certain things makes Seth sound like a king of fighters character
We really not gonna talk about that transition from 2:02 like this is a Desk video or something?
Sajam: What's going to be the round opener? It's going to be axe kick, right?
Me: Yes
SKZ dashes up and throws
Sajam and me: You piece of shit
4 air axe kicks in a row, much skill
Very professional video, I very much enjoy the on screen drawing for a more analytical style
You wanna learn how to do a Seth fucking infinite? We start with AXE KICK, TANDEM ENGINE, DASH, THROW.
now imagine if this character had a teleport, a fireball, a dive kick and a command grab, that sure would be cheap wouldn’t it
SFV Seth is a completely different character from his SF4 self. It's not just SF4 Seth will less shit.
Sooooo,.... Akuma?
Akuma
@@vincenttam8642 And KoF Yuri
MKX Tanya has all of those
I actually started picking up Seth(I’m in a process of finding my characters) I love his combo routes and normals.
5:25 Bless you Sajam, we’re all thinking it but you just say it lol
That axe kick low to the ground giving my Thunder DP follow up vibes.
He's so low to the ground I'll punish the dp aaanndd I'm getting stomped on by the follow up
You think you're safe...you think you'll be alright...you decide to go to the supermarket to go food shopping...you step one foot out your front door...
*Axe Kick*
this is why characters with parries like ryu and gill almost always cover the axe kick option
I play Gill and its sooo satisfying to parry the axe kicks into 350+ damage, but it can be hard to know which version of the axe kick is coming
Nobody's talking about the transition at 2:02 and I want the people to know
Thank you for making this breakdown.
didnt knew overflowing the rivals mental stack was a thing
Love the breakdown my dude. As a new SFV player, this speeds up my progress tremendously. thank you.
Would love to see a follow up video where you analyze how players deal with this character successfully
I feel a lot of concepts you talked about here apply to UI Goku in dbfz. They both have such a wide pocket of deadly options, one slip up and they go to town.
they way sajam explains this so effortlessly is comical 🤣..
A shame that the same reason I started caring about SFV again will understandably be nerfed to the ground.
They should have made all the characters as strong as seth and then buff defensive options across the board. But thats not SFV
@@Knightmurder yeah, that's tekken xD
@@NBDbingo5
Tekken is a 1-2 combo game. I know from experience. If I had a pixel for every time I’ve seen people get TOD’ed I’d have a fucking super computer’s worth
@@CameronKujo Same reasons why people gets 2 comboed into stun in Street Fighter. Stop watching highlights and play the game
@@malmarci
I have played the game. I mained Geese and Akuma. Easy TODs nearly every game
Serious question: what do you guys think of the Seth vs Lucia match up? I feel like she can do decently well here.
Don't forget the oki and the extreme damage.. vs1 > dash c.lp meaty links to target combo for 45% damage and corner carry into more oki
Why is that shit +3 ??? Why not +2 so he doesn't get that bs meaty cr lp that leaves him at +5
The mental image of Barack Obama being an anime fighting game player is too fucking funny
The strongest Seth's quality is - he is fun to play... and waifu/hasbando factor ofcourse.
Awesome analysis
sounds like a smash ultimate character
agree the axe kick is use like a Nair
Seth: Can I axe you a question?
Great break down
How plus is seth after he lands his tandem engine, like can he dash after and still get oki? If not, then better to just risk getting hit by it and pressing buttons to check dashes instead?
+3 on forward dash. Can’t back rise, so the timing is guaranteed too.
The main point in my opinion, is that all these options are pretty much completely safe for Seth. He can just throw out special moves all day long and never get punished. Imagine if other characters were like that... Like if Ryu had safe tatsus on block, the match-up against Guile would be bit different 😄
Too much legs, not enough torso.
If I could think this much in the middle of a game maybe I’d be good at fighting games
The fact that I'm guessing whenever he fucking jumps
My brain is overwhelmed just remember what button does what, gg me vs any seth
Seth is a very destructive devastating character
Constant axe kick feels like playing against people online that spam one move.
The closest thing to a weakness this character has is that they don’t ALSO have a fireball...
I main Seth (because I think his combos are fun) but it is hilarious when you are fighting Ryu and you v-skill fireball any they completely forget that you have that
Since I haven't seen it mentioned I'll give my two cents. Main Abi, if that's not your thing learn Abigail as a secondary to at least a decent level.
Abigail absolutely destroys low health, dive kick type characters without a fireball aka Cammy and Seth. Simply block the cannon spike or annihilation sword and they will always be negative due to how tall Abigail is. The damage output between Abigail and Seth is comparable, but the life is not.
Seth needs one extra hit over what he would need against any other character to end you.
Meanwhile, a single crush counter cr.hk into vt2 combo will erase 50% of Seth life. And if that combo lands with CA? Then Seth says goodbye to 70% of his lifebar right then and there. A player with higher skill than you could obviously still beat you, but the feeling of satisfaction when the Seth player texts you complaining that Abi is broken is priceless.
too bad you have to fully commit to Abi if you only play online (which most of us have to for the foreseeable future)
Laura's thick thighs are too distracting, how do y'all focus on matches?
Hard reads😏
What matches?
I can't front. Street Fighter V got some thick ass hoes.
The artstyle makes them all look like toy story extras tho 😂🤮
The salt from fighting her overwhelmes all other distraction.
Seth almost replaced Juri as my main...they’re gonna get nerfed and I’m still gonna play them 🤣 Seth is freaking amazing, love the combos and their tools overall
I love playing Seth, i just hope Capcom doesn’t nerf the character too much in the Dan update.
So you're saying that I should play Seth? Good argument.
Seth can also true tick throw you out of his 4 lights
I woke up today wanting to try seth, because I dropped the game in January, and this comes out. It's fate.
CAN YOU PLEASE MAKE A VIDEO TO VINDICATE KEN ? He gets so much hate but he’s not a very good character
"You piece of shit" sent me 🤣🤣🤣
Looking at all the good options that Seth has makes me sad to be a Ryu player. My moves fit on a post it note, but his are the size of serval college textbooks. Makes me wonder if Capcom understands good character balance.
And then he small the shit out of you with the textbook for 2 matches straight and then you end up in bronze wondering, "How'd I get here"
As a Vega main i feel your pain bro. Had the same feeling when i messed around with dictator and it felt like going from a pocket knife to a fkn nuke lol. And no they dont or else they wouldnt balance characters around health....just to name one example why
Capcom has long forgotten the art of proper character balancing in fighting games.
Super intresting to see what's going on in the street fighter world. But the real question is if you are picking up the best game? I wanna see me some Sajam +R +GGPO
I stopped playing around the end of season 2, and only came back for gill once, so playing this now I can see SFV really did redeem itself in the end. Frame Data wise tho they was smoking crack why is a jab plus FOUR
Seth’s Axe kick needs the hammer, no doubt about it, I main Seth and Sajam analysis is spot on, it’s the combination of thing that makes Seth too strong at open people up but if Axe kick got nerf by next patch, Seth need to receive something really good in return (SPD/command grab for example) otherwise Seth will be trash tier.
It’s the orbs
Edit: Actually nvm this reminds me of your analysis video you did on BBTAG Aki for some reason
axe kick is insane holy shit
When will we elect our first Fighting Game Fan president?
My question is why isn't anyone talkin' about the fact that he copied the axe kick from makoto? It's deadlier in my opinion when he uses it due to his overall size and probably the reason why they haven't added her to SFV :(
So seth has gone turbo has in wreck it Ralph turbo
even if he gets nerfed im still gunna play him. all his moves look and feel cool
So, what makes SFV Seath so strong?
... Axekick?
did somebody say AXE KICK
fun fact.
Daigo think that Seth actually a good matchup for Ryu =)
How is his defence weak?
It's not really, you have a 3 frame jab and a DP, but lower health/stun is a slight weakness.
Didnt they hate seth in sf4 also?
Yes.
Will they be nerfed to shit? I like Seth to much
So G gets a break 😂. However if I were to fight Seth as G, I'll use vs2.
It still takes a lot of skill to use him at that level, so I like him a lot
It's almost like while it's okay for characters to have strong tools that are better than average for their intended playstyle, it can get problematic if characters have strong tools that are better than average in multiple situations. But I don't play SFV so what do I know.
Obama vs MajinObama GGXXAC+R FT10 let's go!!!
Or you can play Rashid.
Tanden Engine is dope. Also, it's Tanden. But I'm a nerd, so that doesn't really matter.
Seth deserves it tbh.
He's on of the coolest chars in SF.
Better him than Rufus or something.
Why's he strong? Cause he a bad bitch
Tandem engine is negative on block
...How negitive?
@@Hillthugsta The vacuum is -2, the follow up is -16 ob
Seems like a cool character with good options but not without weakness. Idk what’s bad about rewarding aggression. It’s a fighting game.
Seth is best girl
Yeah I main seth and I know he's cheap as hell.
It's not that Seth is strong, is that most of the cast isn't.
Real wrong
It’s apparent how theses developers release dlc characters now adays with broken buttons just so they can sell more characters.They give guile an air boom and nerf that shit to the point it’s damn near pointless to use.Give the old school character Viable tools to compete with the dlc characters or take em out the game .This aint rocket science people smh.
Wtf are you talking about, almost all dlc characters came out as mid or low tiers. Only exceptions that come to mind are menat, G and Seth. Alex is shit, Guile, balrog and urien were shit at launch (now they're simply viable), juri is shit, s2 characters except akuma were shit and I can just keep going. There's no conspiracy here dude, just the same old bad balance.
@@RicarditoFlores3p man ! menat G Abigail Seth akuma before the nerds were over powered Seth and G still up there ..
Seth players have been getting bodied in the Capcom league.
booba
lol as a ken player, i whoop seths all the time.
lol you didn't even need to comment on his stupidly good normals. c.mp, c.hk, f.mp, s.mp, s.hk, s.lk, .. them all
I swear you're saying "Tandem" instead of "Tanden" and it's making me twitch.
It's supposed to be Tandem (look up the word and you'll see why it makes sense).
"Tanden" is romanization gone wrong
dlc characters these days are always broken
Of course seth is cheap he is a dlc character.
4:30 I def woulda teched that throw and you know it
And what makes SFV worth playing???
as if SFV needed more bullshit...... :/
Buff Alex
Glad I don't play SFV now. Fk subjecting myself to that... Thing.
oh you should see G and Akumaa.
@@naquan59 Think I've seen enough.
@@HighLanderPonyYT who hurt you 🤣🥰
@@lesleylindsay7871 Would be easier to list who hasn't. Thanks for the cute emote though. :D
So unbalanced in many ways.
First
You can't nerf seth, that would be transphobic!
Idk man videos like this without the context of the rest of the character seem real irresponsible. It paints Seth to be this unbeatable pressure monster when even at the top levels of competition he can be exploited. Like wasn't there only a single Seth made top 8 at CPT Asia this weekend? He's pretty strong don't get me wrong but idk this feels like farming manufactured rage for content.
This is analysis to explain how the tools of a character work together to enable aggression, and what makes this character particular strong. If this was a manufactured video about Seth being good for content, it would have 0 analysis, and be titled "SETH THE NEW BROKEN TOP TIER?!?!?!?!?!?!" with a screaming face as a reaction.
We all know Seth is top 3, maybe the strongest character in the game. This is to explain why, and educate.
@@SupermanSajam please manufacture a video about this comment. SAJAM'S ANALYSIS IRRESPONSIBLE?! D: