foxqgx your an idiot, you can see that thing flew like shit even before the crash, this plane is a failure like the rambler, they need to stop with the crazy designs and make good affordable models that is what they are known for
You know you have an RC guru on your hands when he describes speed in Amp draw and weight balance in mAh! This is one man who knows his stuff and it's always a pleasure to watch. Cheers - David :-)
On a completely serious note, that plane DID remind me of one of Charlie Chimps Frankenstein creations (aka Spoktra 50)... I could see some level of design copying there.
I really had high hopes for this one because of the Fuselage but it turned into one bad idea after another great review just the same you did it with class no drama Take Care Sir Andrew
Many thanks for the balanced and honest review. Those wing servo connectors are a terrible design, looks like an afterthought, the pin headers are way to vulnerable to being bent on installation or storage. At least use some DSUB connectors that assist alignment and protect the pins. Also I would not want to put 10-20amps through pin headers for wing mounted ESC, which makes it pointless.
That plane is absolutely perfect!!! You are just an inexperienced pilot! :D Oh dear there are so many build flaws.... I'm half through the video right now and I already dismissed the thought to get one....
I was one of the few that kinda slightly liked the looks of this plane and i like pusher glider type planes, so i was thinking, "If it flies well might get one" now thinking not ruddy likely. Andrew you did a great build despite some missing parts, and gave it your best shot at the maiden, guess this was just not meant to fly, and the promoter should keep his comments out of here or if he does then be polite, its a bit of a shame Eachine have put their name to this as they usually come up with fair planes
Yep, that's how I do it but also with some washers (biggest ones you can get in the space) to spread the load on the wood face. Nothing more annoying than when you put a bolt into the hole and hear the blind nut drop off the back (-|
That can't be right. I was told that "The designer of Rambler, and Airloader is a talented, skilled, and very experienced Airplane designer and he understand everything about aerodynamics better than us." So I can only put this down to you just being an inexperienced pilot.
I'm soooo late to this party (mine jsut came in today). I'll tell you, this is the most solid foamie I've even handled, solid like a laminated bird. My battery hatch was glued to the fuse, when they intalled the magnets I guess, so I went looking for UA-cam University tuition because the dang hatch ws outsmarting me lol! (Or so I thought - well played, Eachine) But thanks for putting these videos together Andrew, I can't tell you how many I've watched and followed along with, like the old days with Flite Test and foamboard!
No great loss. It looked like a parts bin special from the beginning. Some times Frankenstein's dont work out. I could see you trying to give it a good review, till the death roll. Fair and honest review, I recon.
that motor mount seems like a horrible idea like that vibration is just going to destroy the hinge and the lock and it's just going to fall off in flight or something.
Thanks Andrew for all the great content you provide. I've purchased many products based largely on your reviews. I have enjoyed your many scratch -built projects as well. I hope this review doesn't drag you down into the muck. I'm quite convinced I'm not expert enough to fly the models by this designer. And I have to agree, it is terribly disappointing to have a kit show up with missing parts and stuff that falls off or simply makes no sense. You provide interesting comments on the decalage. All the best Sir Andrew.
Hi Andrew, with that Angle of Attack on the main wing it might be a STOL conversion with flaps and aileron dropped bellow the trailing edge. Or change AOA of main wing.
That whole flight looked really uncomfortable. It rocked its wings from start to finish (I.E. tip stalling). I reminds me of my Kyosho CAP 232 ARTF (from 20+ years ago). It flew great but so many people (including me) crashed them on landing because they tip stalled at low speeds. That Airloader flew like a CAP 232 doing a landing circuit! I wouldn't want to fly that long range. I'd never be sure if it could get back on its own. P.S. I love the egg at 1:22. I don't know how you kept a straight face! Quality ;-).
Experimenting with stall in gusty wind on low altitude with an unfamiliar plane... In these conditions we can't really tell if the crash has something to do with the design or not.
Got a asw28 last week and it flies great. For a big inav install and big battery the wheels needs to be removed and you gotta put some components in the back but definetly a good plane for that
💯 I have been waiting to see who was going to do the first video of this plane! I really do enjoy you're channel, thank you for you're honest reviews! I wanted to 😨 when i saw it crash, think i am going to wait on this one! Looks like Eachine needs to bring it back to the drawing board!
Good revue, and right from launch it did not look very stable, I have had only one pusher and its demise was was much like yours, it went nose down real fast!
Too bad about the crash but that's how we learn what works and what doesn't. Such a large capacity and weight battery is another issue for many I'd expect, that's quite a bit of money just in battery alone. Great video though as always Andrew.
That was an aggravated torque roll that wound itself up into a power spin as you pulled back the stick when it suddenly flicked over,the strange aileron air input slots were probably an attempt to cure something nasty,the whole machine seems like a mismatch of pieces added to cure the impossible,it has all the signs that it should have been ditched early in its design stages,the pusher layout also told me that the thrustline needed attention ie up at the rear like the Bixler to keep the nose down under power,this is one of those designs that once it goes outside of its stable flight zone it becomes a box of frog's. Build a twin,fill the aileron slots,remove the extra fins,take off the excessive wing incidence in some way and do something about that awful draggy blunt nose and it has a chance of being a reasonable flyer,you have nothing to loose after all,yes re-design it !
Nice touch with the out- of- place- egg?! Maybe a lemon would have been more indicative of what is about to happen with the maiden? But off cause you did not know at that stage that the plane will prove to be a lemon. 😆
Grrr. Elli angry. Elli SMASH. Like every old-school aeromodeller watching this video, I winced when I saw the thumbnail. Another military drone clone brick? Yuk. Also like every old-school aeromodeller, I started out with free-flight planes: balsa, tissue, towlines, rubber bands, huge fun. And also a good way to start finding out a bit about trimming - thrust lines, self-righting, incidence angles, pitch stability, self-sustaining thermal turns, and all the rest of it. By the time I graduated to RC, I was programmed to hate excess weight (a plane's weight, not my own - I'm utterly gorgeous, of course...) and the evils of tip-stalling. To me it was an unpardonable sin to design a model, whether sport, scale, or semi-scale, without a hint of dihedral and a few degrees of wingtip washout. Because anything without it would fly like a brick. This model's uncomfortable design embraces something modern that I never had to deal with: CAD shaming. Peeps seem to think that they have to use all the available tech - rather than educated guesswork - when coming up with a new design, or they won't be taken seriously. So... this plane puts me in mind of a bit of 'pro' software that takes your initial idea and then pumps it full of real aerodynamics borrowed from the designers of full-sized aircraft. Masses of cool-looking NASA and Mark Drela-style figures get incorporated - Reynolds Numbers, stress analysis, spar deflection data, burst loads, absurd aerofoil coordinates that can't actually be built, mysterious STOL thingies that deserve a darned good slapping... Sure, it makes you feel like a design pro and lets you defend your project's shortcomings on the various angry online forums with facts and figures, but very few full-size features have much practical bearing on ordinary model [sic] aircraft dynamics, because scale matters. "Airline passenger jets don't look like bumblebees. Discuss." If you want nice flying characteristics for a normal-sized model, I think the old adage 'simplify and add lightness' still works, despite what data-loving CAD software fans believe. This plane would fly perfectly well with dihedral and no ailerons, but nobody even considers rudder and elevator these days. Full-house or nothing! That's the manly way to fly! All the sticks, all the time! That's pathetic. Full-span flaps (variable wing camber) are great for a camera platform, though. And adding another foot to that tail boom wouldn't hurt. And losing 2 lbs of weight. And - Oh, never mind. If it looks right, it'll fly right. Right? To me, this looks all wrong. Flat wing, short stumpy tail moment, dodgy aerofoil, huge control surface deflections acting like airbrakes, way too heavy, no washout - somebody's in love with the idea of 'neutral stability', constant control inputs, gyros and flight control boards. But why make it so twitchy? Unless you're building a fully-aerobatic sport model, why not make something that can fly by itself at any speed, has a benign, mushy stall, and requires very little interference from the ground? If you want a stable camera platform, design something stable! Rudder, elevator, long tail moment, low drag from small control surfaces, polyhedral, washout. This model just needs a complete rethink. After that, it'll be a joy.
Ow no standby for incoming they don’t take failure well I bet they claim critical tail parts are missing and your inexperience as a RC modeller just grabbing the esky and camping chair 🤫
As I suspected, it flies as good as it looks...I'd bet this is yet another "design" with no washout moulded into the wings...It's just as well you didn't try it in twin mode because the thrust lines would be off for sure and the added drag horiffic looking at those motor nacelles....Please don't try and repair it.
G'day Andrew and thanks for the fantastic reviews, builds, tips and so much more. I often see your hot glue gun attached to a LiPo battery and considering converting my 240v one to use a 3S LiPo. Is your glue gun a DIY conversion? Is it something straightforward to achieve without a degree in electrical engineering?
Hi Andrew. I had this model as a kit for 3 years now in the box. Now that time has come to build it I found that I’m missing the inner plywood parts for the wings to screw on. Without it the wings droop down. Is there a way to found them somewhere?
If you used two motors it would counter balance each other and the centrifugal action will help keep the plane steadier. The motors being further forward will help pull the plane instead of pushing. It loses some of the nimble acrobatic feeling using two motors but is much better for stability. Imagine a unicycle vs a bicycle. It's your choice on how you want to configure the plane but the most important of them all is to have fun.
Just so you know, it's a terrible design, the twin engine thrust lines are way to high, no washout in the wings...Breeze Block engine nacelles...Simply awful....You're Welcome.
@@EnglishTurbines I don't own this model and probably never will. I was generally speaking in terms of past experience with other models and the experiments I've done. Seems to have lots of issues from Mr. Newton's review but what do I know about it since I don't have one.
@@asian_raisin Yes, not saying your points aren't valid....It's just that this thing is so obviously appalling, you don't need to own one to know it...
What a shame. That was definitely the spiral of death on that tip stall. I would need a lot of altitude to recover from that one ;-) Nice honest review. See you in the Air!
@@AndrewNewton hahaha good for him! He has had enough nonsense with these companies and people that designed this and the rambler he doesn't need another influencer calling him a racist again lol i honestly felt bad for him because he tries to give honest opinions and facts about what he has experienced and then people shit on him because of money and it makes me sick! Thanks Andrew for calling it like it is!
Wow, that tip stalled harder than my planes do! Thats a shame, the planes design looks interesting. The half thought through features are a bit disappointing, especially the wing connectors. Especially since they're offset from the spar, could get disconnected/or noisy if there is too much wing flex.
In the box that came from the seller, I did not find any assembly instructions. I could not find this manual on the manufacturer's website either. Does this guide exist? I don't understand the following questions: 1. How to fix XT-60 connectors? 2. How is the camera installation part used? 3. How to solder the wires to the connector inside the fuselage? There are other questions.
I would suspect that those extra fins worked against spin recovery by shrouding the rudder. They would have been better further out and underneath. Eacine obviously felt them needed due to ineffective rudder authority.
its not a tip stall, you totally exposed the intrados of the wing to the wind, what did you expect? its a rolling moment in a bad manoeuvre; in windy days you must try to turn using the rudder to avoid this situation
Looked like a tip stall accented with a brief gust making it worse. Musk would call it a "Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly". I prefer more altitude when practicing stalls for plenty of recover room. Should glue together OK, though not as pretty now. Happy flying!
What are you using that sends the Volts and Amps telemetry data. Knowing the voltage is nice but the amps too? That is a nice data stream to have available. Enjoy your informative and to the point without fluff reviews!!
Dang That's A Nice Big Box! LOL Hey Andrew, I'd Just Make It A Tri-Motor, Then Fly It Either Or Pusher, Tractor or Both & Install Some 45 Degree Angled Tiplets Onto It To Extend The Wings More, Plus Some CF Rods From Nose Back On Sides! L M A O Thanks Mate
like seen a brick fly...you never looked comfortable from the launch, it was windy but you seemed to be on your guard all the time....even as a twin,those nacelles would need a nice cowling to reduce their drag.
It's like they went "You know the sky walker is a great plane I wonder how we can change that." This thing looks like it was designed by a 5 year old who really likes transformers and not planes, I think it has more incidence and a lower aspect ratio tail than a slow stick.
@@AndrewNewton i agree they do some good quads and planes but they have poor quality control and testing before releasing a new product,, its like let the customer test and find the faults
Absolutely no way I would have purchased this anyway. I wonder who the designer and co will blame this time. I thought I seen 2 other occasions in that video were it almost tip stalled. That was a horrible tip stall turning into wind.
Andrew Newton please do not worry, you are just getting collateral damage in troll war. I have even more respect that you tried to fixed this, and actually managed to make it fly. It is always a pleasure to watch your videos. Funny thing I am now in Melbourne with the ship, will wave on our way out 😀. Stay safe and healthy in those strange times!
They are having a field day in China with all the dollars rolling in for poorly designed planes made in seconds in a moulding machine. Crazy ideas and you the buyer are the test pilots at your expense. Those extra winglets on the tail are doing nothing, just bling. The rudder and fin controls the Yaw. That flat nose is doing no good at all by adding drag as speed increases. If these weird and wonderful designs were truly efficient they would have been employed by the military and airlines. Glad you, Andrew have tried and tested it. Keep up the good work. What's next?
How many $USD did you got from zohd？
Shhhh, my new income source!
@@AndrewNewton Enthusiasts with a modicum of common sense can see that the video was deliberately crashed！
WTF?!
foxqgx your an idiot, you can see that thing flew like shit even before the crash, this plane is a failure like the rambler, they need to stop with the crazy designs and make good affordable models that is what they are known for
@@foxqgx207 That rules me out then. I've only been flying for 38 years! LOL
The aerodynamics of a house brick, and the flight characteristics to match!
You know you have an RC guru on your hands when he describes speed in Amp draw and weight balance in mAh! This is one man who knows his stuff and it's always a pleasure to watch. Cheers - David :-)
Thanks 👍
A plane only a mother could love!
Lol, so true
On a completely serious note, that plane DID remind me of one of Charlie Chimps Frankenstein creations (aka Spoktra 50)...
I could see some level of design copying there.
@@RagTheNutsOff LOL where else have I heard that?
Alasdair I miss those guys 😂
@@REDROBRCFPV Agree completely...
I still re watch their episodes, it's almost like therapy on YT, and I always get another laugh..
cheers.
I really had high hopes for this one because of the Fuselage but it turned into one bad idea after another great review just the same you did it with class no drama
Take Care Sir Andrew
Many thanks for the balanced and honest review.
Those wing servo connectors are a terrible design, looks like an afterthought, the pin headers are way to vulnerable to being bent on installation or storage. At least use some DSUB connectors that assist alignment and protect the pins.
Also I would not want to put 10-20amps through pin headers for wing mounted ESC, which makes it pointless.
That plane is absolutely perfect!!! You are just an inexperienced pilot! :D
Oh dear there are so many build flaws.... I'm half through the video right now and I already dismissed the thought to get one....
Maybe I'm supposed to be the test pilot! No-one else has shared any flying footage.
@@AndrewNewton Oh dear.. and they told you there were others? (Jaws theme playing in the background).
Damn. I almost got one too but decided to wait and see what the reviews were. Guess I got my answer... Thanks for saving me a ton of money!!
I was one of the few that kinda slightly liked the looks of this plane and i like pusher glider type planes, so i was thinking, "If it flies well might get one" now thinking not ruddy likely. Andrew you did a great build despite some missing parts, and gave it your best shot at the maiden, guess this was just not meant to fly, and the promoter should keep his comments out of here or if he does then be polite, its a bit of a shame Eachine have put their name to this as they usually come up with fair planes
Great honest review Andy, that’s what we need, spot on mate. Would be a nice machine with the improvements though!
Epoxy the blind nut and screw it down tight without the cover attached. Vaseline in the nut will keep it from sticking to the epoxy.
Excellent idea, I used CA very carefully
Yep, that's how I do it but also with some washers (biggest ones you can get in the space) to spread the load on the wood face.
Nothing more annoying than when you put a bolt into the hole and hear the blind nut drop off the back (-|
The egg 😂😂👍🏻👍🏻
That can't be right. I was told that "The designer of Rambler, and Airloader is a talented, skilled, and very experienced Airplane designer and he understand everything about aerodynamics better than us." So I can only put this down to you just being an inexperienced pilot.
:-))
Yeah, old Andrew is a bit of a beginner eh?..lol.
Hahahahaha
If Andrew is an “inexperienced pilot”, then I don’t have a snowball’s hope…
to ever get anything with wings off the ground. 😋
LMFAO
Looks like a typical day of flying for me : ) At least you've got some nice parts for your own franken-design.
Wing and tail will fly again
Thank god! Finally, you review I plane I don’t have to buy! Great review Andrew. Was there a chicken in the box?
I wonder, maybe Aus- Customs are now employing chickens to check out the boxes? 🙂
Very big heavy chickens looking at the box damage
I'm soooo late to this party (mine jsut came in today). I'll tell you, this is the most solid foamie I've even handled, solid like a laminated bird. My battery hatch was glued to the fuse, when they intalled the magnets I guess, so I went looking for UA-cam University tuition because the dang hatch ws outsmarting me lol! (Or so I thought - well played, Eachine)
But thanks for putting these videos together Andrew, I can't tell you how many I've watched and followed along with, like the old days with Flite Test and foamboard!
Don't let my misfortunes with this plane put you off. Just keep the speed up in the corners and it will serve you well.
Long before you got to the ending, I was thinking that this seemed to be an aircraft that was an answer to a question no one asked.
same as my Esky eagles in its current set up. at 50% throttle flies slow ang perfectly straight when i apply power climbs and pitches up.
More like the Air Incubator. Turns an egg into a cordon bleu sandwich.
Air Incubator, Lol!
It's got a shape only a mother could love!
True
No great loss. It looked like a parts bin special from the beginning. Some times Frankenstein's dont work out. I could see you trying to give it a good review, till the death roll. Fair and honest review, I recon.
that motor mount seems like a horrible idea like that vibration is just going to destroy the hinge and the lock and it's just going to fall off in flight or something.
Thanks for the honest review.
1:18... Why is there an Egg in the plane's fuselage Andrew ? Was it shipped out by a chicken ?
Pity foxqgx didn't take note of grammar lessons at school! Keep up the great work Andrew.Cheers
Thanks for the great review. It'll buff up.
Thanks Andrew for all the great content you provide. I've purchased many products based largely on your reviews. I have enjoyed your many scratch -built projects as well. I hope this review doesn't drag you down into the muck. I'm quite convinced I'm not expert enough to fly the models by this designer. And I have to agree, it is terribly disappointing to have a kit show up with missing parts and stuff that falls off or simply makes no sense. You provide interesting comments on the decalage. All the best Sir Andrew.
Many thanks
Hi Andrew, with that Angle of Attack on the main wing it might be a STOL conversion with flaps and aileron dropped bellow the trailing edge.
Or change AOA of main wing.
Can't stop laughing with the egg haha
An inside yolk!
Yikes... I was actually hoping this was going to be full of working innovation. Oh well... Didn't need a new plane anyway. Thanks for the honesty.
I wanted to be surprised too
Perhaps the missing bolts are in the egg? Or is the egg an escapee from the Wes-chine Airloader?
This has to be a new release type issues, the amount of flaws on this plane is hilarious 😂
That whole flight looked really uncomfortable. It rocked its wings from start to finish (I.E. tip stalling). I reminds me of my Kyosho CAP 232 ARTF (from 20+ years ago). It flew great but so many people (including me) crashed them on landing because they tip stalled at low speeds. That Airloader flew like a CAP 232 doing a landing circuit! I wouldn't want to fly that long range. I'd never be sure if it could get back on its own. P.S. I love the egg at 1:22. I don't know how you kept a straight face! Quality ;-).
Yes, I blamed the wind at the time but obviously quite unstable
Experimenting with stall in gusty wind on low altitude with an unfamiliar plane... In these conditions we can't really tell if the crash has something to do with the design or not.
True, not my finest hour
@@AndrewNewton We have all been there "I'm just going to try one more thing..." :)
@@feelfreefpv can relate
Did you pull an egg out of the fuse?
a bit busy for my tastes, I do like that internal volume though.. been ogling an ASW28 as an autonomous platform
Got a asw28 last week and it flies great. For a big inav install and big battery the wheels needs to be removed and you gotta put some components in the back but definetly a good plane for that
The fuselage seem to be pretty short compared whit wings span..
Too draggy fuselage nose, perhaps. When the power was cut, it just stopped in the air.
A rounded nose is found on "all" airplanes, maybe for a reason.
Ya recon
💯 I have been waiting to see who was going to do the first video of this plane! I really do enjoy you're channel, thank you for you're honest reviews! I wanted to 😨 when i saw it crash, think i am going to wait on this one! Looks like Eachine needs to bring it back to the drawing board!
That's about an understatement to say the least
This is junk a no buy 👍 good review thanks alot for the help. 👍 I thought it flew like a bathtub.
I was thinking a rock with wings myself
Thanks for the honest review, wonder what Matt will think......
I'm sure he is hoping Eachine will listen to user feedback
Good revue, and right from launch it did not look very stable, I have had only one pusher and its demise was was much like yours, it went nose down real fast!
Too bad about the crash but that's how we learn what works and what doesn't. Such a large capacity and weight battery is another issue for many I'd expect, that's quite a bit of money just in battery alone. Great video though as always Andrew.
That was an aggravated torque roll that wound itself up into a power spin as you pulled back the stick when it suddenly flicked over,the strange aileron air input slots were probably an attempt to cure something nasty,the whole machine seems like a mismatch of pieces added to cure the impossible,it has all the signs that it should have been ditched early in its design stages,the pusher layout also told me that the thrustline needed attention ie up at the rear like the Bixler to keep the nose down under power,this is one of those designs that once it goes outside of its stable flight zone it becomes a box of frog's.
Build a twin,fill the aileron slots,remove the extra fins,take off the excessive wing incidence in some way and do something about that awful draggy blunt nose and it has a chance of being a reasonable flyer,you have nothing to loose after all,yes re-design it !
OK how about this? ua-cam.com/users/postUgxG13lBr_eACdwWeuB4AaABCQ
Nice touch with the out- of- place- egg?!
Maybe a lemon would have been more indicative of what is about to happen with the maiden?
But off cause you did not know at that stage that the plane will prove to be a lemon. 😆
Haha, lemon would be prejudging it but appropriate
lets try a little bit of stol. does the shortest landing ever
Like a flying toaster :D
And it has the looks to boot!
LOL, it laid an egg right from the start!
Did you charge Eachine for production control :)
Grrr. Elli angry. Elli SMASH.
Like every old-school aeromodeller watching this video, I winced when I saw the thumbnail. Another military drone clone brick? Yuk.
Also like every old-school aeromodeller, I started out with free-flight planes: balsa, tissue, towlines, rubber bands, huge fun. And also a good way to start finding out a bit about trimming - thrust lines, self-righting, incidence angles, pitch stability, self-sustaining thermal turns, and all the rest of it.
By the time I graduated to RC, I was programmed to hate excess weight (a plane's weight, not my own - I'm utterly gorgeous, of course...) and the evils of tip-stalling. To me it was an unpardonable sin to design a model, whether sport, scale, or semi-scale, without a hint of dihedral and a few degrees of wingtip washout.
Because anything without it would fly like a brick.
This model's uncomfortable design embraces something modern that I never had to deal with: CAD shaming. Peeps seem to think that they have to use all the available tech - rather than educated guesswork - when coming up with a new design, or they won't be taken seriously.
So... this plane puts me in mind of a bit of 'pro' software that takes your initial idea and then pumps it full of real aerodynamics borrowed from the designers of full-sized aircraft.
Masses of cool-looking NASA and Mark Drela-style figures get incorporated - Reynolds Numbers, stress analysis, spar deflection data, burst loads, absurd aerofoil coordinates that can't actually be built, mysterious STOL thingies that deserve a darned good slapping...
Sure, it makes you feel like a design pro and lets you defend your project's shortcomings on the various angry online forums with facts and figures, but very few full-size features have much practical bearing on ordinary model [sic] aircraft dynamics, because scale matters.
"Airline passenger jets don't look like bumblebees. Discuss."
If you want nice flying characteristics for a normal-sized model, I think the old adage 'simplify and add lightness' still works, despite what data-loving CAD software fans believe.
This plane would fly perfectly well with dihedral and no ailerons, but nobody even considers rudder and elevator these days. Full-house or nothing! That's the manly way to fly! All the sticks, all the time!
That's pathetic. Full-span flaps (variable wing camber) are great for a camera platform, though. And adding another foot to that tail boom wouldn't hurt. And losing 2 lbs of weight. And -
Oh, never mind. If it looks right, it'll fly right. Right? To me, this looks all wrong. Flat wing, short stumpy tail moment, dodgy aerofoil, huge control surface deflections acting like airbrakes, way too heavy, no washout - somebody's in love with the idea of 'neutral stability', constant control inputs, gyros and flight control boards.
But why make it so twitchy?
Unless you're building a fully-aerobatic sport model, why not make something that can fly by itself at any speed, has a benign, mushy stall, and requires very little interference from the ground? If you want a stable camera platform, design something stable!
Rudder, elevator, long tail moment, low drag from small control surfaces, polyhedral, washout.
This model just needs a complete rethink. After that, it'll be a joy.
"Airline passenger jets don't look like bumblebees. Discuss."
So...do you like it?
"Eachine Airloader, By Far the best Long Range Feature Packed Airplane" to quote someone who should know.
This looks like it would be easy to disassemble and store, right?
Yes, it is designed to be disassembled
same behaviour like Talon GT/Binary especially when stall and crash.. another flying brick?
Great video 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Do you think the Airloader could be "fixed" with vortex generators on the outboard wing
Might soften the stall maybe, I'm trying the finlets on the wing tips
Ow no standby for incoming they don’t take failure well I bet they claim critical tail parts are missing and your inexperience as a RC modeller just grabbing the esky and camping chair 🤫
of course its pilot error. 🤣
Pilot error assuming it would survive the stall tests
And so it she’ll be the night shall fall on his sword so the Queen retains her dignity
Go back to the drawing board is a kind understatement for the way that plane looks and flies
As I suspected, it flies as good as it looks...I'd bet this is yet another "design" with no washout moulded into the wings...It's just as well you didn't try it in twin mode because the thrust lines would be off for sure and the added drag horiffic looking at those motor nacelles....Please don't try and repair it.
It was written in the stars.... Matt Osbourne dodged a bullet cancelling that POS model
@@dj_dazzy Must have been off his head even considering buying it TBH...
00:03 you nearly said "eggloader" 🤣
I did! It's planted in my head now
@@AndrewNewton Same here. I went to look this up on google just now and started typing "egglo..." dangit
G'day Andrew and thanks for the fantastic reviews, builds, tips and so much more. I often see your hot glue gun attached to a LiPo battery and considering converting my 240v one to use a 3S LiPo. Is your glue gun a DIY conversion? Is it something straightforward to achieve without a degree in electrical engineering?
It's a cheap 12V gun from HobbyKing
I'm moving so mine must be lost in post? ;)
Hi Andrew.
I had this model as a kit for 3 years now in the box. Now that time has come to build it I found that I’m missing the inner plywood parts for the wings to screw on. Without it the wings droop down. Is there a way to found them somewhere?
No, you will probably have to make some yourself
@@AndrewNewton I was expecting that but thought just in case there is something.
Thank you very much.
Keep the good work 👍🏻
If you used two motors it would counter balance each other and the centrifugal action will help keep the plane steadier. The motors being further forward will help pull the plane instead of pushing. It loses some of the nimble acrobatic feeling using two motors but is much better for stability. Imagine a unicycle vs a bicycle. It's your choice on how you want to configure the plane but the most important of them all is to have fun.
Just so you know, it's a terrible design, the twin engine thrust lines are way to high, no washout in the wings...Breeze Block engine nacelles...Simply awful....You're Welcome.
@@EnglishTurbines I don't own this model and probably never will. I was generally speaking in terms of past experience with other models and the experiments I've done. Seems to have lots of issues from Mr. Newton's review but what do I know about it since I don't have one.
@@asian_raisin Yes, not saying your points aren't valid....It's just that this thing is so obviously appalling, you don't need to own one to know it...
@@EnglishTurbines lol exactly. probably never will.
I agree, I really don't like the pins on the wing, A fail point if you ask me.
What a shame. That was definitely the spiral of death on that tip stall. I would need a lot of altitude to recover from that one ;-) Nice honest review. See you in the Air!
Ha, or on the ground
the wind came from behind, that kinda makes aircraft stop flying. some italian guy figured out the theory for it a while ago.
Yep, strong turbulence and Bernouli said No
It's custom's job to look for things that get people high
Your not the only one that had problems with this plane!
Who else, I'm desperate to see other reviews.
Nice job. I hope Matt gets one.
Ha, no he cancelled his order
@@AndrewNewton hahaha good for him! He has had enough nonsense with these companies and people that designed this and the rambler he doesn't need another influencer calling him a racist again lol i honestly felt bad for him because he tries to give honest opinions and facts about what he has experienced and then people shit on him because of money and it makes me sick! Thanks Andrew for calling it like it is!
Very nice 💓💓💓💓💓💓
Wow, that tip stalled harder than my planes do! Thats a shame, the planes design looks interesting.
The half thought through features are a bit disappointing, especially the wing connectors. Especially since they're offset from the spar, could get disconnected/or noisy if there is too much wing flex.
I'll try again with a different body
It's what happens when corporate designs the airframe. Sad. Hopefully they learn and get a real engineer to design it.
The Rambler and Aggressor are great, but this was pushing it too far.
In the box that came from the seller, I did not find any assembly instructions. I could not find this manual on the manufacturer's website either. Does this guide exist?
I don't understand the following questions:
1. How to fix XT-60 connectors?
2. How is the camera installation part used?
3. How to solder the wires to the connector inside the fuselage?
There are other questions.
Just search for Airloader on UA-cam and you will find instructions
Eachine F16 also has a tendency for high speed tip stalls. What's up Eachine? Very good, honest review sir.
Thanks, some models are designed for lots rather than performance
I would suspect that those extra fins worked against spin recovery by shrouding the rudder. They would have been better further out and underneath. Eacine obviously felt them needed due to ineffective rudder authority.
Yes they are trying to fix basic problems with the design
its not a tip stall, you totally exposed the intrados of the wing to the wind, what did you expect? its a rolling moment in a bad manoeuvre; in windy days you must try to turn using the rudder to avoid this situation
Could be right
Looked like a tip stall accented with a brief gust making it worse. Musk would call it a "Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly". I prefer more altitude when practicing stalls for plenty of recover room.
Should glue together OK, though not as pretty now. Happy flying!
Yes it would have survived if I made it up higher. I would like to try again in better conditions.
What are you using that sends the Volts and Amps telemetry data. Knowing the voltage is nice but the amps too? That is a nice data stream to have available. Enjoy your informative and to the point without fluff reviews!!
FrSKY 40A current sensor
@@AndrewNewton it appears that sensor has been discontinued. Can you recommend an alternate?
@@sherwoodp2738 A quick google search found several suppliers (discontinued at Hobbyking) Where are you buying from?
@@t6texanaus I’m in the USA and was able to find one on eBay. I appreciate the replies.
@@sherwoodp2738 foxtechfpv.com in China was one of the listings I found
Dang That's A Nice Big Box! LOL Hey Andrew, I'd Just Make It A Tri-Motor, Then Fly It Either Or Pusher, Tractor or Both & Install Some 45 Degree Angled Tiplets Onto It To Extend The Wings More, Plus Some CF Rods From Nose Back On Sides! L M A O Thanks Mate
It's definitely a load of something.
Looks like a Storm Trooper with wings....What !
Are they the hopeless ones?
@@AndrewNewton Hapless, if thats a word. Hans Solo and Luke Sky Walker took cake of that. The bad never win !
"Look at the size of that thing!" :D
How to get the current draw telemetry without a FC? 🤔
FrSKY 40A current sensor
@@AndrewNewton Noted. Thank you!
Andrew is a great pilot, he kept that shit over 5 minutes in air !! Bravo !!
like seen a brick fly...you never looked comfortable from the launch, it was windy but you seemed to be on your guard all the time....even as a twin,those nacelles would need a nice cowling to reduce their drag.
You're right, I was struggling most of the flight looking back at the footage
my theory about the crash is that removing the egg changed the cg
Might be on to something there!
It certainly laid an egg!
Puts the Albabird best in class for this size I think!
Yes indeed. That is a model that just works as it should.
100 % match with Andrews answer!
It's like they went "You know the sky walker is a great plane I wonder how we can change that." This thing looks like it was designed by a 5 year old who really likes transformers and not planes, I think it has more incidence and a lower aspect ratio tail than a slow stick.
Yes anyone can make a "good" plane
@@AndrewNewton I've seen planes made out of cardboard that flew better than this.
its eachine its what i expected everything about it eventualy they get things right back to drawing board with that one i thinks
Most Eachine gear I have is excellent, but they do seem to be slipping lately. EX5 GPS quad (review coming soon) is another strange one.
@@AndrewNewton i agree they do some good quads and planes but they have poor quality control and testing before releasing a new product,, its like let the customer test and find the faults
Absolutely no way I would have purchased this anyway. I wonder who the designer and co will blame this time. I thought I seen 2 other occasions in that video were it almost tip stalled. That was a horrible tip stall turning into wind.
Yes you're right. I was thinking it could just be the wind at the time but looking back it was dropping a wing often.
Honestly it looks VERY SOLID. Would totally buy it if it wasnt made by that designer. Dont want to support their shady business strategies.
what do you mean by that, its as ugly as can be
@@Chopperglide Its ugly with charm haha
@@cheetahfpv6476 any chance that Andrew while make a modification on that one, he usually does? no.
@@cheetahfpv6476 By the way my multiplex easy star was of the same kind tipstall on sharp turns. Not easy to learn flying but educational.
The tail moment looks really short on that thing, wasnt sure if it was just the fish eye of your camera or not, she just looked like a stumpy one.
It is very short
@@AndrewNewton isnt there some sort of relationship between wing cord or CG and the tail moment arm?
Great respect for Andrew for diplomatic approach, sadly this thing flies as ugly as it looks.
Thanks Piotr, I'm still being accused of getting paid by ZOHD to crash it deliberately
Andrew Newton please do not worry, you are just getting collateral damage in troll war. I have even more respect that you tried to fixed this, and actually managed to make it fly. It is always a pleasure to watch your videos. Funny thing I am now in Melbourne with the ship, will wave on our way out 😀. Stay safe and healthy in those strange times!
I really want to see how it fares in the long term with other pilots. Welcome to my part of the world!
Andrew, Do you have a problem with Covid? No Dihedral?
Just about all clear for Covid in Geelong.
Greetings folks :)
reminds me of the RQ11 Raven
1:15 It's a good egg. :)
They are having a field day in China with all the dollars rolling in for poorly designed planes made in seconds in a moulding machine. Crazy ideas and you the buyer are the test pilots at your expense. Those extra winglets on the tail are doing nothing, just bling. The rudder and fin controls the Yaw. That flat nose is doing no good at all by adding drag as speed increases. If these weird and wonderful designs were truly efficient they would have been employed by the military and airlines. Glad you, Andrew have tried and tested it. Keep up the good work. What's next?
I'm rebuilding this with twin motors and a slimmer body. I want to test the wing more
@@AndrewNewton If it works Andy keep it too yourself or by next week they will bring out an exact copy/clone for no Research and Design. LOL
Haha, they might. My redesign is looking so much better, I'd be happy to see them copy it.
What is that EGG about
Inside joke, previous video
Aw mate, you missed the WES Eggloader?? It probably took as long to build as the Airloader was to design. Maybe Andrew can build another one?
Chunky fella!
To say the least
If this isnt a long range dream i dont know what is.. i cant imagine how many 18650,s will fit in there..🤔