Golden Hind (1575) - Guide 377
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- Опубліковано 2 сер 2024
- The Golden Hind, a private galleon belonging to Francis Drake, is today's subject.
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While I was in Albany I went and had a look at the Old Albany Gaol and discovered that it had a special cell just for deserting sailors is this a common thing for gaols and prisons for the time?
Why on some pictures golden hind is with two sails high and on some three? Was her rigging changed?
Would Sovereign of the Seas have been competitive in the early 19th century with updated armaments?
If other countries knew about it, what were other countries opinion about the steam powered catapult on the Graf Zepplin?
Oh and how were seaplane tenders used? I guess they were used for ASW and recon but how would they’ve fit into fleet action?
I've been in the Thames replica - and the first thing I thought was, how small! Imagine sailing on this for months around the world
I recall when the Mary Rose was raised. There was a Thames tourist boat standing by watching. I suddenly realized just how small the ocean going vessels were at the time. And for context, the Mary Rose was nearly twice as big as the Hinde
I stumbled across it one evening when I was out wondering around London. I had no idea it was there, so it was a bit of a surprise. That was my first thought too, how small it was. I thought it might be scaled down, so I looked it up when I got home and discovered that no, that's the actual size.
As you suggest... Around the world in that?
I felt the same way when I toured the Nina😱
I remember seeing as a kid when it was on a tour in the US in '87. It so made me want to be a pirate, I mean privateer.
I stumbled upon the replica in London too (when searching for a place to sit down and write postcards 😛), and I didn't realize what I was seeing...until now!
Have been meaning to read Berggren's book on the Pacific raid, so this is inspiring.
"Sir, we're overloaded with silver bars! What are your orders?"
"Make them the ballast."
"But, sir..."
"Do it!"
I too have run into problems having to priorities my loot to be able to move... in video games.
@@MonkeyJedi99 This was my everlasting problem in _Sid Meiers Pirates!_ back in the 1990s.
@@larsrons7937I need _something_ to carry this loot; my sloop isn't big enough. (beat) Dammit! I forgot which end of the Caribbean I'm in!
Its amazing the size of those anti-torpedo bulges on old sailing ships.
1:52 and a japanese flag!
@@olivere5497 That the Tudor symbol ...
@@Durahan82Look at Russian 2nd Pacific Squadron. That's what they're referring to.
Never underestimate angry dolphins!
But few sailing ships were sunk by torpedoes. And I saw a report of a sailing frigate capturing a U-boat.
“Nobody will expect the English Dragon and his Golden Hind!”
- Drake, probably
Ok, made me laugh out loud. 🤣🤣🤣
In Greek mythology, the Ceryneian hind (Greek: Κερυνῖτις ἔλαφος Kerynitis elaphos, Latin: Elaphus Cerynitis), was a creature that lived in Ceryneia, Greece and took the form of an enormous female deer, larger than a bull,[ with golden antlers like a stag,[hooves of bronze or brass, and a "dappled hide", that "excelled in swiftness of foot",[ and snorted fire. To bring it back alive to Eurystheus in Mycenae was the third labour of Heracles.
Wikipedia
Sir Frank Duck and his Pelican is not very intimidating.
And his golden behind
@@panzerabwerkanone I've seen pretty much every Daffy Duck cartoon, and I find your lack of faith fowl indeed.
"I'm gonna do what's known as a pro gamer move."
-Francis Drake, right before replacing all his ballast with precious metals.
'Golden Hind' certainly sounds much more adventurous and strong than 'Pelican', I agree.
The Golden Hind with a Silver Bottom
Until you find out a bit more about how Pelicans actually are.
I think pelicans are a bit more sea worthy than deer.
Disappointed to learn it wasn't entirely golden. There was some silver in there too. :P
Yes, but better psychological impact if named 'Pelican'.
Normally youd groan about having to remove the ballast from a ship ........ When youre replacing it with silver bars youd be grinning
When your ballast is SILVER, you know you're doing something right!
I saw , what i imagine was the 1970s replica, in Penzance harbor sometime in the 1980s and my dad told me this story. I've only just realised this was when i first became fascinated by ships.
Also, it brought to mind Blackadder II, "ah yes, Francis Drake and his Golden Behind" 😅
I'm so glad the channel has been focusing so much more on the age of sail lately. Keep up the good work!
Agreed
Fascinating period
Absolutely. So much to learn about
"A little exploring and a lot of looting."
Arr'tastic 😁🍻
The classic British understatement.. I just go here and there and try to do a bit of earning 😂
As you do!
A couple of friends of mine actually crewed the full-sized wooden replica during its cruise along the US Pacific Coast in 1987, signing on following its stop in Jack London Square in Oakland, one of them even portraying Drake when visiting port.
Not often reported was an incident that nearly resulted in it capsize while traversing the Golden Gate in a heavy fog, when it was overtaken and brushed by a container ship. One of my friends had been on watch, and so suddenly had the other vessel appeared through the fog that he barely had time to get out a warning before the encounter happened. Naturally, by the time the two vessels could have spotted each other, the Hind was well below the sight lines from the container ship's bridge and simply could not be seen.
The other one of my friends was below in his hammock, and awoke to find himself looking UP at a gun port. Fortunately there was no damage, the ship righted itself, and they were able to continue.
Spanish Galleon: elaborately named after a patron saint. Nicknamed: fireshitter. So gloriously Spanish
And thus we see a classic example of the difference between theory and practice!
@@thekinginyellow1744 British 18th C. Ship names based on ancient mythology vs their own crew's bastardized version.
HMS Agamemnon -> Eggs-and-bacon
HMS Bellerophon --> Billy-Ruffian
My father was a shipwright who worked on the previous replica built for the 1950s film. I have multiple pictures of him and the cast members onboard as he went on to crew the ship in the film if you are interested.
Thanks. An anecdote about this replica, at least I think so. I was diving off a fishing boat, Duggies if I i am remembering right, off North Cornwell with some frends back in the 90s. The replica was sailing round Lands End and coming east toward Torquay for a large welcoming party, when the wind turned to a very nasty Easterly. The replica was struggling and getting too close to the rocky coast for comfort. We answered the call and took the ship in tow with an old car tire as a spring. I recall the ship being pretty heavy. We then spent many hours outside Torquay harbour waiting for tide and waves. As the light was fading the decission was made to go for the Harbour. Without being too dramatic this was very much a 1 shot deal. Duggie timed the run perfectly and the ship surfed down a wave into the Harbour causing not inconsiderable amount of consternation amongst the waiting flotilla of yachts there to celebrate its arrival. They also filled in as impromptu fenders. The rest if the day, and night, is a bit of a blur but the ship chipped in to pay all our diving expenses for the weekend. if anyone else has memories which include corrections from my aged memory, that would be welcome.
There are arguments of which state can have “bragging rights” of a Sir Francis Drake and his Golden Hind’s shelter and landing somewhere between the 39th and 44th latitude of California and Oregon. The romance and adventure was a famous story among the book readers of pre-television/cable generations. I first found out (in Oregon) about the Golden Hind from my grandmother (1913-1994.)
I still remember scenes from the 1961 TV series "Sir Francis Drake" with Terence Morgan and the wonderfully villainous Roger Delgado. According to Wikipedia a replica Golden Hind was made for the series but "The ship was destroyed in a storm in 1987, after which it was towed to Dartmouth and replaced with the current replica." [sic]
ah Sir Francis Drake's ship, i was hoping this would pop up at some point
It was a golden hind. A doe a deer a Golden hind.
Interestingly, the Spanish had the exact opposite reaction.
Thank you for this!- Your local Shipsmith
That gives me the suggestion, can we have a video detailing the different specialized occupations in ship construction in the age of sail and then the age of the dreadnought?
Thank you, that is an excellent suggestion 👌
Great idea!
Wonderful subject to explore
I've been to the Golden Hind replica on the Thames, and I was shocked at how small it actually is. The fact that this ship set sail and went around the world in an era where this was considered a large ship just stuns me.
Having seen both the replicas in London and Devon, I'd think twice about sailing to the Isle of Wight on such a tiny vessel let alone going around Cape Horn.
I dream about being able to cultivate a beard you could lose a badger in as much as the next man, but alas such a feat is beyond me; so I very much doubt we are related at all.
@@UNSCForwardontodawn he hasn't touched a drop.
I was on the Matthew for the BBC film and we went out from Charleston about 5 miles and she bobs from side to side just like a beer barrel, not pleasant in good weather so god knows what the trip to Newfoundland was like a few years back 😊
@@UNSCForwardontodawn A third-rate sailor, but a first-rate second course.
Hey Drach, great work. Just wanted to say that this is the first time since the intro song change that my brain hasn't gone 'wait, something is off' at. I've finally adjusted!
"The ships ballast was thrown overboard to be replaced by Spanish silver bars." LOL. I knew Drake was successful but thats crazy. Always thought the Fast Show's Mark Willams would make a great Drake. "So we had to throw the ballast over the side, to fit in all the silver. Which was nice."
Awesome! Incredible seamanship.
And I never imagined the size of his loot.
Of all my years (life) of sailing and building model ships for a museum, 29 years full time, the Golden Hind in my opinion is the best square rigged designed ship I have seen. So well porportioned and obviously sea worthy. The Golden Hind is my most favored ship out of all of them.
Drach is working up to “Floaty Log”, I feel it in my water!
I have said this before but next to the second reproduction of The Golden Hind is a pub I spent a very pleasant evening in many years ago. I was amazed at how small it is! The ship that is, the pub was quite big!
I have a soft spot for the Golden Hind because it was the first "true" plastic kit produced by Airfix in 1952. When they were originally making "educational" kits. My school in the 1960s gave us kids some of their kits to make.
By pure coincidence my own Airfix Golden Hind that my dad buildt for me in the 1970s was sitting right next to my computer when this video came up . At 5:05 in the video one can see a green an white flag at the top of the foremast . Looks like dad got it up side down ;-)
copper lower hull
Interesting and informing little story, with cosy humor added. An incredibly fascinating journey Drake had here. I always loved the _design_ of the Golden Hind, the looks. So much indeed that when my cousin was a boy and loved the pirate theme I built him a three foot long wooden pirate ship mostly modelled after the Golden Hind for his "PlayMobil" toy figures, with working rigging and sails - and loaded with treausre. I think he still has the model. It dwarfed the plastic toy pirate ships his friends had.
Santa Maria was ridiculously tiny by today's standards. And it carried horses. The Pelican being slightly larger is still a matchbox. Wow, how these iron men sailed wooden ships around the world is amazing.
The Golden Hind remains one of my favorite old-timey sailing ships ever since she visited my home town in the 1980s, thanks for making this mini-documentary about her.
Drake, by getting home alive, became the first person to captain a ship around the world (Magellan died in the Philippines, and Elcano his no. 2 made it home, but not on his ship). Drake later died in Panama in Portobello on another raid which is quite a dangerous anchorage today due to piracy.
It's amazing that they could fit their big brass ones on a ship that small...
As an American born in California when I was a boy in school in the '50s-'60s we got taught the exploits of Sir Francis Drake. Mainly his voyage in Golden Hind pertaining to California history.
I was in school around that same time.
Peculiar aspect about the grade-school/middle school curriculum back then: I always recall the teachers telling about Sir Francis Drake and others being explorers to the Western Hemisphere, but never mentioning about them being (ahem!) _privateers._
I visited the one in London, best to mind your head on the lower decks. definitely not a big ship, but a lovely replica. It even smells like a ship. I worked on wood fishing boats years ago, ah...memories.
I was on a Golden Hind replica in Sacramento California many years ago with my Mother. It was amazing how small the Captains quarters were as I recall, Thank you for the post !
When I saw the replica of the Golden Hind, and contemplated its voyages, I had a John McEnroe moment 'You cannot be serious!'.
5:03 Roy Cross's glorious artwork for the Airfix kit.
Drake’s Beach in California is worth a visit .. definitely a good place to haul a boat out .. and lots of delicious elephant seals everywhere and great white sharks
From Vancouver Island BC, Canada. The tallest mountain on the island is named after this ship. The next tallest that is close by is called the B-Hind
I'm in Oregon and remembered hearing an old legend about the Golden Hinde burring treasure around southern Ore. & northern Cal.? Also, I remember seeing it in the '70's.
I've heard this story before! PNW legend!
I love Tudor and Elizabethan ships. Both gunner practices and rigging/sailing practices differed considerably from what followed after in the classic age of sailing warships, I believe - they were still figuring how to make ship-mounted guns and multi-sailed ships work at that point!
I've walked past the one in Brixham, a fishing village in Torbay Devon, and it's tiny. I think most of the fishing vessels based out of there are either the same size or bigger. To think that someone sailed round the world in something that big, with a contingent of sailors, marines and noblemen is truly staggering
Wow! I actually visited that wooden replica in the 1970's, on the West Coast of the USA! Glad she's still around.
I built a model of the Golden Hind back in 1978 and spent two weeks just painting all those colorful details on her hull. The model took first prize at a model show but when the show was over the model was no where to be found. I hope who ever stole her appreciated all the work I put in! The real Golden Hind not only paid back her original investment and got the Queen out of debt but made Drake quite wealthy as well. His life was one of dangerous adventure and hair raising events that took the Spanish by surprise and made him the boggy-man in Spain. Too bad they couldn't save her as she considered an excellent sailing ship.
The Queen: "So, Drake, you renamed the ship from my family crest, the Pelecan, to the Golden Hind?"
Drake: "Maam, please turn your gaze to the piles of treasure chests. With a value of more than twice your annual tax revenues."
Pardon me, but Drake's ships didn't sail through the Straits of Magellan, but through the Drake Passage.
EDIT: I was on the replica ship when she was berthed in Southwark. I am short. I still had to slouch on the gun deck. How they fought the ship is a wonder. And no, I would still have been considered short in Elizabethan times.
Saw it in Coos Bay, Oregon in the 1980s. Incredible to think of a ship so small sailing round the world. BTW, some people think Drake repaired the Golden Hind in a small cove on the Oregon coast, not California. I strongly recommend "Thunder Go North: The Hunt for Sir Francis Drake's Fair and Good Bay" by Melissa Darby which makes that argument.
My father took me to see the replica Golden Hinde in 1987 or 88 when she visited Coos Bay, Oregon.
In 1579, the original Golden Hind sought refuge in in the same area near Cape Arago.
I really like that sketch you used for the thumbnail, much more convincing than the highly decorated, painted sail artwork of the 1950's.
Being in charge, I'm sure Drake had great Hind-quarters
That's also why they call some senior admirals _Rear Admirals_ .
Consider the Dido class light cruiser HMS Euraylus for a mention on your videos. it was known as " a lucky ship" and 6 were built by the Royal navy ( named Euraylus). The Dido class had about 30 such ships laid down in the 1930's and 1940's. Only about 25% survived WW2. Their utility made them put into many difficult situations. The 'C' gun turret was removed in Glasgow prior to being sent to be part of the British Pacific Fleet (Task force 57 in USN terms).
As a ship on 'point' duty, it was the first to fire at many Kamikasi attacks as the Japanese tried to sink the British carriers. The ship's log may be the best source of information for a video
kind regards
Even though it's a replica, it's still quite a credit to the original that it still exists (in spirit) 450 years later.
A huge amount of the haul would never have been declared. A lot of the wealth would have vanished into the crews pockets and possibly the Queen's as well.
I must admit I usually fall asleep to longer episodes. I do really appreciate the shared knowledge and learning something nobody would debate with my employment on the line. I learn lots every day, your posts are a rare learning purely for enjoyment. Thank you drach
Fun trivia after watching the Uncharted playthrough. Cheers for the chaser!
There’s a mountain not far from me on Vancouver Island that was named “Golden Hinde” by an early fur-trading captain who was reminded of Drake's ship as sunset hit the mountain (which is visible from the west coast of the Island) and in honour of Drake's reputed presence off the coast of the future British Columbia during the explorer's circumnavigation of the globe from 1577 to 1580
Highly interesting story.
Thank you.
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The good old days, try sailing an 18 gun ship into harbor these days. Great episode , history seldom examined.
Thanks Drach
Age of sail, excellent, splendid. 😄👍
Brilliant ship, brilliant man, brilliant story
It helps to climb around in the London replica to appreciate how small it is! I wouldn't want to cross the English Channel in it. It's hard to believe that 90 men lived on it for over 2 1/2 years.
Incredible that a ship of the Golden Hind's size could circle the planet and collect as much booty without being swallowed by a large wave. My sailing experience is limited to Nimitz class aircraft carriers and an Iowa class battleship and there were some heavy rolls in rough weather.
Back in 89 I got to see a replica of the Goldin Hind when she can to visit Beaumont Tx.
The golden hind replica in london used to be by Southend pier. It was a waxworks and chamber of horrors. Always strange seeing tourists around it like it was special.
More guides on old ships please.
I love clicking on a 5-minute guide and knowing I'll get 10 or more minutes of education!
Strangely enough I've been aboard the one now currently parked in London..but not in London. It stopped where I live, Panama city florida, in the late 80s. There was also a massive structure that was built to look like the golden hind called the treasure ship and was a tourist attraction and restaurant..before it burnt down in 2010.
The side bulges on the GOLDEN HIND replica in London were added later to make the ship more seaworthy. Originally she was too narrow. There are of course no blueprints or even exact dimensions of the original, and the designers of the replica had no practical experience in building Galleons either.
Even with experience in building galleons, some of them were dangerously top-heavy. As is well known, a particularly drastic example was the VASA: She capsized in the first gust immediately after leaving the shipyard.
COOL drach gave us the baby galleon. I love your insights and videos on the Age of Sail (the ones you did with Matt are so cool), thank you so much.
Nice timing. I'm slowly building the old airfix vintage classic of the Golden Hind. And yes it's amazing how small it is
Thanks Drach.
Ship was also used for the Erasmus in the 1980 version of Shogun.
The highest mountain peak on Vancouver Island BC is named after Drake’s ship ✌️
It’s a reference to his supposed visit to the island although it’s not certain he actually made it that far north when he was on the Pacific coast of NA
Love this stuff!
Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.
I spent a day aboard a replica in the mid ‘80s in Mobile Alabama.
That second Golden Hind replica- I remember coming aboard it while it was visiting San Diego California back in the 1980s. It left quite a big impression on child me. I distinctly remember seeing that golden deer figurehead. Though in my greying fractured memory I thought it was a full- body deer (hind), not just the head.
Manjuu has an interesting idea about what she looked like.
Great video, We’ve got a replica of the Golden Hind down in my hometown Brixham in Devon and it’s surprising how small they are.
An incredible voyage. These were truly the days of wooden ships and iron men.
The Golden Hind came to our port of Brownsville, Texas, on her way back to the UK. I was port director and gave her a dock for over a month. She was a top attraction to locals who came to tour her, and even hosted some cocktail parties. We are located on the Mexican border and she was most popular to Mexicans who crossed the border for a tour. Drake’s name, El Drago in Spanish, used to strike fear in the hearts f Mexicans, back in his pirate days.
You know, the only reason I know about the Golden Hind despite not being into age of sail ships is that my friend bought me a little folding metal miniature of it for my birthday many years ago. This, by default, makes the Golden Hind my favorite sailboat.
Great vid thx Drak
"We'll have the advantage of surprise. No one in his right mind would be expecting us here."
"Caga Fuego" is funny as hell😂
A great tale of buccaneers and privateers!
Drake's voyage to California, which he names Nova Albion ends up being part of the reason New England gets named such, being approximately the same latitude. Nova Albion translating to New England.
Fabulous. A truly remarkable Seaman, like Sir James Cook, both are truly legendary Seaman, the Seamans Seaman. Thank you.
A spelling challenge Drach vs. Drake. Hmmmmm, makes one think.
It is hard to fathom, considering the primitive methods there were when it came to mining ore, how the Spanish managed to extract countless tons of silver and gold, from the Western Hemisphere, in the 16th and 17th Centuries.
Spices were so valuable at that time that Magellan's expedition returned to Spain, it returned with one battered ship out of the 5 fine ships they left with and still made profit from the meager spices the crew was able to brought along. Thus the drake returning relatively alright with so much loot doesnt surprise me that she brought along so much value
As a kid I remember visiting the Golden Hind replica at Southend on Sea, I guess it no longer exists.
I LOVE😍 the idea that crowd funding is NOT a new fangled idea!!! 😁😁😁
I got the Airfix kit off my auntie one Christmas didn’t have to cut all those oak trees down but I couldn’t get past the rigging! LOL
I've been on the one in Brixham back in the 90s.
It's quite good. The same people created a replica of the Endeavor which was moored on the Tees at Stockton for a long time but is now in Whitby.
A Gentile Pirate. But a pirate that had massive ambitions.
Thanks!
Woo Hoo! Finally my ancestral ship!