Why Can’t NATO Give Ukraine F-15 Or F-16 Fighter Jets?
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- Опубліковано 30 чер 2024
- The F-16 was originally designed to be a lightweight air superiority fighter that has since demonstrated a great deal of value as a multi-role aircraft. The F-15 comes with an even more impressive reputation, and in fact, the Eagle is the most dominant air superiority fighter of its era and probably others. There is no other fighter in the sky with the proven dogfighting capabilities of the F-15, which has a documented combat record of 104 air victories and zero losses.
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These are mostly just reasons why we should get started on training personnel right now. Ukraine was actually considering a purchase of F-16 a couple of years ago, but could not afford it. They will have to transition to Nato weapons eventually, even for fighter jets, so why not just get started?
It could be a shortage of manpower, I mean, one thing is train a Mig-29 or Su-27 pilot in the F-15 or F-16 platform, I mean they already have experience as pilots, and the other is training a future pilot from the ground up
They should be fighting,instead of training.That is why.
@@youngkaiser5870, Ukraine has more pilots than planes. Also, Ukrainian airline pilots are currently grounded. All of them should be receiving training right now. Even if they eventually don’t need the F-16s or F-15s, it’s better to have them already trained just in case. It would give them more time to be trained too, if they start now rato than wait.
@@Russia-bullies, Do you actually believe it’s better to send an experienced pilots to die on the front lines because they don’t have enough jets? Or is it better to save them for later, and maybe even train them in advance just in case?
It's more than just the pilot though. As they said they would need to trains alot of extra people to maintain and take care of the planes on top of the pilot training.
The bottom line is this: we have hundreds of F-15Cs that are almost worn out. They are nearing the end of their service lives. That's why the USAF decided to build the F-15EX. It is intended to replace those old F-15Cs. So I say if the Ukrainians think they can transition in 2 weeks, give them the old fighters and let them prove it. To what better use could these aging airframes be put in the last hours of their lives than to defend a fledgling democracy being attacked by a fascist aggressor? I don't believe we can't get spare parts into Ukraine, and I don't believe there are no Americans who would volunteer to go into Ukraine and help them take a crash course on F-15 maintenance. Also, the F-15C has very limited capability in the ground attack role. It's almost purely for use as an air DEFENSE weapon. I wish we would give Ukraine significant quantities of real assets.
Several Ukrainian pilots have reportedly been training on the F-16 and F-15 for several weeks. Today it was reported that the US is to deliver 1 squadron of old used F-16s as part of a $40 billion military aid package. It should be either aircrafts used by European countries, which are now switching to the F-35 etc., or they will be preserved aircrafts from American warehouses. This would possibly be the F-16AM or C/D versions. For the European version, these are end-of-life aircraft. This delivery could take place already at the turn of November and December. But it is not clear to me how it would be with the airport staff, because it is probably impossible to prepare them in such a short time.
I think it's a matter of time here, so that together with the air defense (NASAMs and IRIS-T) aircraft will also be delivered, even if in the first phase they will not be the most modern ones. But they will be given as a gift. In the future, Ukraine can then choose for itself whether to buy American aircrafts or Eurofighters, Rafaels or Gripens. In addition to American aircraft, Ukraine should receive 12 MiG-29SDs from Slovakia in September, which have minor upgrades to NATO standards.
They said maintenance school is 18 months.
@@Matt-qv8zj "They" also said Russia would take all of Ukraine in 3 days.
There is zero percent chance they can transition in 2 weeks and the idea is laughable. I've never seen so many clueless people come out of the woodwork to comment on this conflict. Right along with those telling us we need to send them F-35's and F-22's.... F-22's!!!!!!!
@@meintingles4396 I believe it's the Ukrainian fighter pilots that are claiming they can transition in a few weeks. Do you think you know more about it than them? What are your qualifications for making a judgement on the matter? Are you a pilot?
This made me remember the failure of the F-20 Tigershark, whose whole mission and design was to give a ligh, fast and good performance fighter to U.S. allies on the cheap. It was easy to maintain, with no sensible technologies, and it's main role was interdiction of air-space. A plane of such characteristics would be needed here.
There is just such a plane on the market. The Gripen.
Although the f20 Tigershark was canceled, there were about 2700 f5 Tigersharks built and still being used in some air forces today. The latest update, the F5E , is a very capable supersonic fighter/bomber. In fact, the USAF still uses the F5 Tigershark for pilot training and in adversary roles in air force training.
Interesting discussion but I have yet to hear a valid argument for why we haven't provided NATO Mig-29s. I would love to understand why Bulgaria and Greece have not provided their S-300 air defense systems to Ukraine in exchange for NATO back filling this role with Patriot battalions.
Agreed Todd. Your suggestion doesn't "have" to be done but it makes a lot of sense. Ukraine could really use more S-300 and having Greece and Bulgaria use Patriot and other NATO weapons makes sense there. Oh, I skipped the Mig-29 idea. I figure the concept is similar to S-300 thought. If so, bring it on. Soon.
I feel like NATO doesn't really want Ukraine but to prolong the war. It's like Russia decides which weapons NATO countries have. At the moment Russian fighter jets can't fly over Ukraine so why not give them Migs for ground force protection
Because NATO has never officialy offered to Greece an exchange for S-300 (with whatever), so simply. Instead of that for Greece is running a program of sending ΒΜΡ-1 infantry fighting vehicle to Ukraine exhanged by Marder infantry fighting vehicle.
@@charalampostziotas7612, I didn't know that Greece was sending BMPs to Ukraine. We should offer Greece some air defense support in exchange for forwarding those S-300s to Ukraine.
Right. And mig's are one they should already be capable of flying without any training
Thank you very interesting presentation on the topic.
Nothing like a highly motivated student, especially one motivated by war. It's unfeasible more because of not having the support structure than the lack of potential pilots.
It take time and training for Boeing pilot to learn to control Airbus plane.
Same goes to Ukrainian pilots
American Air Force Pilots have some of, if not the highest flight hours of any Air Force in the world. It's not a shocker that our equipment would be hard to get a hang of in just a few days.
I totally disagree -- Both the f-15 & F-16 can fire JASSM-ER with a standoff range of 500km -- far superior to the range of the S-400
JASSM-ER) can currently only be employed by the B-1B Lancer, but future applications will include the F-15E Strike Eagle, F-16 Fighting Falcon (Block 25-42 and 50/52), the F-35 Lightning II, and the B-2 Spirit. Sorry it might be out of date by now and you well be correct but you missed the point of the whole video. Train the pilot sure, no ground crew, terrible crumbling run ways not suited to US fighters,(FOD) to small of numbers of fighters and for little effect and a lot of effort and money wasted and the Fact you quote a really expensive cruise missile that the US have very little of.
The creation of the Harrier stemmed from the realization of the fate of the ten-thousand foot NATO runway in the case of a Cold War clash.
Forget F16/F15. Just give them MIGs or Sukhoi fighterds from Poland
Ukraine need F-16 because they can detect enemies in the same time when enemy detects F-16 (or even before that). These days, Ukrainian pilots can't even see enemies, while russian pilots are attacking them. So Ukrainian pilots use a lot of tactics and work with air defense forces.
Air defense systems are cost-effective and that's why Ukraine is getting NASAMS.
Ukraine says that it will rearm to F-16 in near future and there is no other options. So they want to train pilots now (there are a lot of free personnel).
Author says that russians have S-400 with range of hundreds of miles and this will force destroying them on russian territory. But there is one small thing. Every air defense system can't detect low flying targets in huge ranges. For example, S-300 can detect cruise missile in 17 km (10.5 ml). Moreover, planes can fly a lot lower than cruise missile (I've seen a lot of low passes when plane barely not touching chimney of your house).
it takes average of 5~8 years for a country to adopt and fully deploy a program. A program can be jets, tanks, ship etc. It take an average of 40~50 personal to run a single jet (yes, pilot/crew + maintenance + fuel + loaders + logistics + control + training etc etc). Each nation has different structure within military which is unique to its own - and companies like Boeing / LM has full consultation teams that works with the buyers years before the jets arrive. Simply having pilot and maintenance crew is very minimal of short term operation requirement - and its just not feasible unless NATO is directly involved. In case of Ukraine, it is difficult to expect Ukraine can adopt any western jets in a short term - but given the circumstances they may have to pull something off.
My country (Singapore) took years before we got to perfect flying in F-15SGs and F-16s. Even in War no way it can be rushed with the training.
The second largest air force is the united states' navy first being the US Air Force third being Russia's Air Force
Russia guarantees public housing for its people. Congratulations on your airplanes.
@@jayr.7209 This is a military video💀
@@jayr.7209 And guaranteed ⚰️ too
The USMC is 3rd
@@jayr.7209, perhaps you should move to Russia and take advantage of that free housing. I suppose that the free housing would just cost you a few exciting months in eastern Ukraine as part of the limited mobilization for Mr. Putin’s Special Military Operation. Nothing is free.
Thank god some facts and common sense at last.
Fuck. This thing has been going on for 8 years now. What's the hold up if it only takes a couple months
Why? Because we have more brains. This is not a US war. The Ukraine is not NATO.
We’ve given them more than enough.
I think that our response has been too slow. The Ukrainians have made effective use of the systems that we have provided to them.
Because those aircraft are not military knives, they require years of experience and training. Especially for a sophisticated fighter like the F15.
US is afraid that F-16s appear to be inferior to Mig-29 and Su-27-30-35 ! ?
I have heard rumors that Ukraine pilots are receiving training in F-16 combat training. Heard this about 1 month ago... But who knows for sure.. ? Capt. BOOM BOOM retired U.S. Army.
Take out the control stick and replace it wih a tractor wheel. It'll be just like Soviet era.
give them the ea-6 and a-6 for harm missions as well, since the us retired them anyway
The best tool is the one we know. It's true!
Simple answer why flog a dead horse ?
... because... they are stingy? 🤷
yea the US do it very differently to the Russians and Ukrainians, the US really take care of their planes.
Good reasons but just give them,these calculations dont matter anymore,people are dying
I think fighter jets are slowly going the same way as tanks. AA weapons are becoming to powerful, as has happened with anti-tank weapons.
Good point. I think the future will be all unmanned systems.
We don't need to send them a damm thing.
@3:40 When did "NATO enforce a no-fly zone over Ukraine" ?
Why can't we give them the F - 14 TOM CATS that we took out of service . They would be excellent air craft .
Sooner or later they will have even fewer old soviet airplanes, which is a terrible situation to be in. So the best solution is to start training pilots and technicians and establishing logistics lines and bases for f-16 planes. the sooner we start training ukrainian crews, the better our options will be in the future.
it's important to remember that ukraine as a country did not treaten anyone and led a peaceful existence until russia started the war in 2014.
you are correct if this thing end in 2022. if this going any longer then you might as well start all that shit this can last longer than 18 months so get started.
Don't need airplanes Just keep sending Rockets, and cannon shells!
Send the ATACMS for their HIMARS!
Why is 6 weeks training a problem... The Germans are still training the Ukranians on their Pantzerhaubitze 2000 and it is already 4 months later.....
I'm so interested in what kind of big war the conflict might turn into. Today, russia is using all its conventional weapons. The question is about how the conflict escalates and turns into a major war, when russia kills civilians and destroys cities every day. By the way, I do not agree with the statement about the effectiveness of russia's anti-aircraft defense and the fact that the F-15 and 16 need to be flown into the territory of russia, I think that Ukrainian pilots will also not fly, simply because the radius of defeat will give such an advantage.I think this process of taxation and infrastructure and education should have started a long time ago, everything depends on the political decision of US administration.
Why not asking our allies to send their newly-acquired F-16s to Ukraine? Bulgaria and Slovakia ordered 8 and 12 F-16 block 70/72 in 2019. Taiwan acquired 66 block 70/72 F-16s in the same year. Combined, this is a huge fleet of the latest F-16s, which will be a great addition to Ukraine's airpower. Since Ukraine is fending future intruder on behalf of Bulgaria and Slovakia, the latter two should help with Ukraine's efforts. Taiwan, on the other hand, will soon be taken out by China and will have no use for these advanced fightjets, so we should handle their F-16s to Ukraine in advance to prevent these assets from falling into China's hands.
...because those jets will becoming 'cashcow'.'KACHING'!
Bull s. The Cheetah ait craft is much better. It was already tested in 1989.
This video didn’t age well
US has budgeted 100 million USD on training Ukrainian pilots on US made fighters so something is happening.
Instead give them something to equivalent mig 8 jet fighter like other western fighters jets? I think Eurofighter Typhoon would be beneficial since it’s a Multirole fighter. If each nation in nato gave 10 Eurofighter Typhoon they would at least get 320 since Finland and Sweden joined nato. Countries are already giving them couple billions on aid and couple military vehicles. If would only be costing nato allies couple billions. This will boost there airforce while getting them to buy more western goods that would benefit the west. If nato gave them 10 if these jets every month. This means they would have more jets then Russia making it a costly war for Russia or once a year. They would still be getting 640 of these fighters. Ukraine would be greatly appreciated while securing another nato/ Europe union country when the war is finished keeping Russia on a leash.
Send B24 and B29 great plane.
Too many excuses have to give it everything you got if you truly want to win this war.
USA shouldn't believe in the Comedian president.
There is one problem with this argument. During America’s involvement in the Korean Conflict and Vietnam War both Russia and China had no problem with supplying their ally’s with fighter jets and in with regards to the Korean War those jets were the then state of art MIG-15’s. DARE I MENTION THAT THEY WERE PILOTED BY RUSSIANS!
Russia has established a precedent that allows NATO to supply Ukraine with advanced aircraft, even to pilot them should we choose to do so!
Russia would be hard pressed when “Ukrainian” B-52’s begin carpet bombing their positions.
Modern aircraft are more complicated than the old.
Plaše se da mi masovno padali na zemlju...
Answers POINT to POINT as the video progresses.
F-15 and F-16 pilots from Ukraine could be trained in a matter of weeks! 4 to 6 weeks courses it's on the safe side to be considered a complete program, with enough training instructors and flight time. This means just OVER A MONTH.
Operating maintenance would be no problem: you LEASE the package from a foreign country. Already formed personnel including ARMY retiree would be ready to be part of such a service team while you form long term Ukrainian servicemen.
F-15/F-16 don't need to fly to Russia to be effective. Try pitting one of these ridiculous soviet era bombers against one of these dogfighting champions and you quickly find out what a Russian fireworks show in the sky really is. Now they fly unchallenged, out of UA's air defense range and launch ground attacks.
And yes, UA should address S-400 installations in Russia like WE SHOULD HAVE addressed anything flying over Ukraine at least 150 to 200 Km from the border with EU. Our IRRESPONSIBILE drowsy leaders are leaving us COMPLETELY EXPOSED to Russian threats because there is NOT even enough time to launch an interceptor if you let anything offensive fly within such a close range.
With a closed air-space this war would not have taken place. If the President of the US didn't pull from Afghanistan in such a catastrophic way... if he would not have said: we won't intervene with troops in the conflict. Basically this is the DIRECT RESULT of a very WEAK and inconsistent American leader. US electors should really question themselves who they voted for and if the price of their choice is worth an abortion ban win because after having seen the economy mangled, personal freedom restricted, now they even face heavy price inflation and still are threatened by Russia to be their next target.
Again, not necessarily F-15 and F-16 need to fly into Russia: I am thinking of all the deadly attacks coming from the sea, from submarines, ships and bombers. Anyway the WORST western dead giveaway of the INCOHERENCY of our security policy is the fear that we might offend Russia. Russia is the OFFENDER and MUST BE REGULATED duly for us to be respected in the future. Do we want the war to be expanded in Poland and beyond or do we want it to STOP in Ukraine?
Thus if sending technically superior aircrafts isn't enough to put the Ukrainians on an even foot why have they been given Himars and M270? Is the west really planting weapons in Ukraine to let the world know: look, we've done what we could but they weren't good enough for our weapons. Basically we're siding with the Russians. Take note: EU provided around 1Bn EUR to Ukraine while in the same time period paid about 50Bn EUR for Russian gas and oil (ratio 50 to 1 for Putin). Conclusion: The EU is the main income for the foolish Russian dictator's quest.
Sean Penn who isn't the first to see the light of this world has since called for Billionaires to bet into Ukraine, providing them fighter jets. When people like him launch such ideas they've been usually consulted with field experts that confirmed such possibility and suggested the numbers to publish. It's not a remote possibility, but there is a strong POLITICAL WILL against providing American made jets to Ukraine. As F-15/F-16 operators include Venezuela, Pakistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia... states with much more questionable past than Ukraine. And guess what... the Italian Air Force LEASED F-16 from the USAF! This means they carried the Italian Air Force emblem even if they did not belong to them... brilliant isn't it? Something they said it CANNOT be done has been done already.
Now... let's carry on with this sad spectacle. The west must be really proud of themselves for what is happening in Ukraine.
Correct and well put.
@@georga1509 Incorrect and insane. Ain't no way they're learning an F-16 in a matter of weeks and the idea is moronic.
@@georga1509 us should go home
@@Gnashercide, go home from where?
@@toddbrackett4277 from eu,middle east,latin america, etc .
that took years to train ukraine pilot train with New tecnology new fighters
why not send p-51 mustangs lol F15 and f-16 (my bird in the airforce) are 80's cold war fighters witch the majority of current generation of Russian fighters and air defenses were designed to top and though the 15 is still compeditive it is simply outclassed by some newer migs.
Currently Ukraine doesn't have enough aircraft to control it's airspace even if your assumptions about the comparability of 4th generation aircraft are true having these systems would greatly benefit Ukraine. The real problem with integrating F-16s into the Ukrainian Air Force is that their logistical ecosystem is built around Soviet weapon systems and not compatible with this airframe. Assuming that the logistical problems could be overcome the next issue would be that the F-16 is not designed with rugged landing gear to operate from rough or improvised landing surfaces that Ukraine may have to use (i.e. straight sections of highway which may be damaged).
Other western airframes such as the JAS-39 or the F/A-18 were designed with provisions for low take off and landing speeds as well as hard landings and would better meet the needs of the Ukrainian Air Force.
Ultimately the most practical way to support the Ukrainian Air Force is to provide them Soviet aircraft currently operated by NATO countries.
why nato has to give them anything.
1500 russian planes is exagerated, there will only be a few 100 operational, and many of them are not available for missions in ukraine. Giving ukraine 100 f16 and f15 would make a big difference.
Good question..Hahaha 😂😂
Its gonna take time to train Ukraine pilots, what they most needs right now are are good air defense systems long range missiles highly trained commandos, we must not forget there are many Russia spies and collaborators among the Ukraine soldiers giving coordination and locostiek Intel to the Russian, Russia have also the backing of China Iran and nkorea. This war is gonna spread out.
The narator has a really scewed view on the "massive russian air capabilities", whereas we have yet to witness these in the war. So far they have proven themselves to be massive in failure rather then anything else.
They will be getting the F-16. Eventually.
These planes are cumbersome.
You did not just call an F-16 cumbersome.
there have been many countries offering up soviet era fighter jets to ukraine, but they want f16's which are in short supply. we should step up here in the usa and move all that soviet crap (which ukraine is used to), to ukraine.
Its simple if i of those baby's gets in the hands of russian they gonna become more advanced
until now you count in numbers, so you haven't learned anything... everyone counted in numbers before the war, and everyone thought that Ukraine would not be made in a week. but UA has been fighting back for almost a year and is winning
Delaying aid is detrimental for the survival of Ukraine. Can you imagine if NATO provided these things way before the war? Russia could not have destroyed half of Ukraine...
@@sand8777 Not officially, but they actually did. Russian pilots flew the Migs.
U can't assume just because Russia has more planes. That giving Ukraine the f16 fighters wouldn't make a difference. It's just,and excuse not to give Ukraine what it needs to win the war. They don't give Ukraine enough of,and yet they won't give them fighters they need. It's rediculous. By not giving Ukraine what they need to win. The NATO coalition is prolonging this war. Not Ukraine. Ukraine can win this war in a short time. With right weapons.
The foolish prohibition of taking the fight to the Russians must be changed to ensure thst Ukraine can strike military targets in Russia.
And nuking america right?
In short Russia Just have too much Firepower... Even if Nato helps Ukraine by sending Jets it wouldn't be enough..... Lets be real these Jets are expensive Asf.... And even even we gave them 100 F16/F15s its just far fetch against more than 1000.
Can't or willing not? Better to start traing on Ukrainian pilots on J-16 and missile defense systems now before too late! If Ukraine loses, the freedom world will be losing!
When the war first started , and Ukraine wanted NATO to enforce no fly zone in Ukraine air space, and NATO refused to do that , I knew Ukraine would probably lose the ground war, Army's have to have Air support to do there missions , and hit enemies targets , this not like Vietnam where enemy could hide in jungle, Ukraine is very flat land , the Ukrainian defensively lines are really exposed to artillery . From russians army, and not having air power to destroy Russian artillery is really making the difference in our come of the war .
NATO sending jets to Ukrain is same as declaring total war against Russia that might make Russia launch nukes to NATO member nations America included
US Nato does not give anything to Ukraine for free. There will be a problem for US getting any of the money back from Ukraine which is a failed state. The F16 and F15 have excellent record against poor countries, never having combat against a peer adversary.
The investment will return if Western countries participate in the construction and restoration by involving private firms. Contracts for the supply of weapons will also be concluded, from which the supplying countries benefit from taxes. Russia is a poor country that only benefits from minerals. Although they can make solid planes, they are partly dependent on Western and Asian technologies. Pilots are not well trained, corruption affects aviation as well. There is no problem dealing with Russian pilots, it is a poor country, which is also proven by the huge failures in the war in Ukraine.
@@sevcaczech5961 The NAZI WEST is heading towards bankruptcy economically, politically and socially.THE USA NATO NAZI EMPIRE is doomed.
The reasons for not providing these weapons are actually crap. Not a single one is a good excuse. First of all, these fighters are not only air superiority fighters, they are also good for attacking ground targets which can be devastating to Russian morale. Training only takes 6 weeks, wars can take years. Training maintenance crews are not an issue, train them now before its too late. The number of planes are also not an issue. Russia cannot field everything it's got in Ukraine only since it has a vast territory to guard.
Because it's a war declaration to russia.
Or send them Soviet aircraft from Eastern Europe and they could be employed over the battlefield immediately. Why would it make sense transitioning the Ukrainian Air Force to a new airframe in the middle of a war? Their airmen need to focus on the current fight and need spare parts and additional common aircraft. We should spend energy transitioning Romania, Bulgaria and Slovakia to operate the F-16 and getting their Mig-29 and SU-25 aircraft to Ukraine.
@@toddbrackett4277 or stop arming non nato countries...
@@toddbrackett4277 Because of the same reason you need to transition Ukrainian armed forces' artillery and weapons system. Not enough and dwindling ammunition supplies. Maybe they could ask Russia for more Russian missiles and bombs? NATO can only support them with NATO ammunition, meaning NATO weapons can only be used. Former Soviet states have probably given all the Soviet ammunition they have to Ukraine, it won't last long. Ever wonder why the war is taking so long to advance? Because of hesitancy. Supporting Ukraine in a piecemeal fashion prolongs the war. It prolongs Russia's defeat.
@@Gnashercide, Putin has ambitious to rebuild the Soviet empire and it is in NATO’s interest to help Ukraine stop him rather than wait for him to move on other parts of eastern Europe.
S500 can easily target these fighters..
Russia only has 30 of them and the fact that Ukrainian Su-25s are still flying with no problem shows that the legend of Russian tracking and missile technology has been thoroughly debunked. Russians can't even intercept HIMARS rockets.
@@actinium2754 s500 is tested multiple times by different countries.. nato members like Turkey and other countries like India, China bought them. These are defensive weapons not offensive. And deployed inside Russian boundaries.. Ukraine is not using airforce against Russia.. they are not flying near battlefield..
@@user-jc1yz4qn2z yeah... lol.. thats why Russia said 2 UA helicopters flew into belogrod region a couple months ago and bombed there oil plant... good air defenses
It's a pity that US did'nt supply F15 &16 to Ucraine, unless they resume the "Ghosts of Kiev" we could see all such Planes acting as mosquitos versus S400😁😁😁😁
The S-400 is a threat but one which can be defeated.
F15-f16 Pakistan????
I can say that the author of this video is far away from aviation. F-16 and F-15 is much easier for flying and combat than MiG-29 or SU-27. Because the airplane computer and all weapons systems has much higher technology and helps pilots during missions. So after flying MiG to change to F-16 is the same as you drive Ferrari after driving a truck. So stop talking bull shit and make people think wrong.
Besides the obvious that ukie pilots have only flown soviet/russian aircraft?
S400s SAMs, that will kill these things in short order.
Bwahahahahahaha!
S400s are shit.
Soviet era junk
@ Yes, darling, that's why russian aircraft are still scared to enter ukranian airspace, because if ukraine's old soviet era 'junk'....you ignorance is amusing.
@ lol idiot the S-400 is modern.
Israel is continuously bombing Iran in Syria.
Over 1200 attacks so far.
russia told Israel that they will place the S400 in the region that keeps getting hit.
Israel told them we don't care if you put S200, S300, S400, S500 or S600 or S700 there.
Anyone threatening Israel will be terminated immediately and expeditiously.
*Disclaimer: S600 and S700 doesn't exist and the ruZZians are currently working on the S500.
I think 2025 they should be operational according to ruZZia.
@ still better than Patriot and iron junk
Because they will drop like flies, and the US MIC, will get his butt kicked, that's why.
I assume you are one of the people who said UA wouldn't last a month... lol
A year ago I might have believed your post. The Russian Air Force hasn't even been able to achieve Air Supremacy against Ukraine’s current Air Force or accomplish basic objectives like providing support to ground forces or hit moving ground targets. Most people (myself included) overestimated the capability of Russian air power.
...Because they dont want Ukraine to win, simple... I find it funny how people turn into a bunch of sheep and just repeat what the TV says, without knowing much about about this war.
Only propaganda.
Very beginning your just wrong. Not worth watching 😕.
Can't wait for the Ukrainian whining
Awful Russian talking points.
the United States had said that the F22 was undefeated until a video of the French army shows it beaten by a Rafale
To say that the F15 is the best fighter is completely false. The F22 the Rafale the eurofighter? All his fighter planes surpass him.
There is also an f18 growler that has defeated the f22
Your claim is stupid. Often these military scenarios are given external factors to the engagement, usually tying the superior jet to some kind of disadvantage. The Truth is the F-22 and, more so the F-35, are rarely going to engage another fighter jet in a dogfight. They are simply built according to another superior doctrine of engagement.
As an example, MiG-21s can be a superior dogfighting platform to the F-14, however, in the Iran-Iraq war, pilots weren't engaging in dogfights with the MiG-21. They were downing dozens of MiGs with their AiM-54 missiles without the MiG even noticing that the F-14 was there. This became such a problem for the Iraqi Air Force that they grounded the entire fleet due to thinking it was a technical problem that made the planes explode in mid-air.
The point is, that war changes, and the American fighters are designed around changing doctrines, not basic Early Cold War/WW2 dogfighting.
@@pokenaut7803 you are off topic
The USA said that the F22 had never been defeated which is therefore false. what the usa says about their planes is wrong, that's all
@@cheveuxjaunes2782 It has never been defeated in combat. This is factually true.
@@pokenaut7803 What recent Western aircraft has been? We fought only against minor countries which had nothing serious to oppose
Would be a turkey shoot for Russia, what a ridiculous suggestion to give aircraft to Ukraine. They don't even have enough artillery ammo, drones, vehicles or even proper clothing.
it's better if f35 send to Ukraine let see if f35 performance if it's face s400 or f35 is likely overpriced/overrated.
I don't think the Americans will risk doing it.
1 because we risk seeing the limit of their stealth if ever there is one
2 If they ever lose some (even if they are stealthy in a high intensity conflict they can lose some) Russia risks having access to their technology
Once again, Ukraine doesn't have any logistical capability to maintain the F-35 stealth capability. Which is what the jet is designed around. So in the end a non-stealth F-35 is a dead plane already.
THEY CAN'T OFFORD IT VEREY EXPANCIVE JETS AND HIGHLY TICNIKS 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
We both know all the main reasons are political. The Biden administration is spineless.
I, like many others, want Ukraine to win. However this is exactly why I accepted that RUSSIA 🇷🇺 WILL WIN.
Still think so?
@@toddbrackett4277 He thinks Putin is going to get away with war crimes. Patrick Chung Russia is committing war crimes so u think your boyfriend Putin is a hero?
We can sell those fighters to Ukraine 🇺🇦 that we no longer feel like fixing.
The planes that aren't flight worth? You're joking.