HDHomeRun 4k Plex & Jellyfin
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- Опубліковано 28 тра 2023
- SiliconDust HDHomeRun 4k tuners have the ability to access ATSC 3.0 over the air NextGen TV 4k video. Plex and Jellyfin can access these channels, but without audio, In this video, we learn one possible solution to this.
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Very Informative. Thank you. Your channel seems undervalued for now. Keep making good content and good luck growing your viewers.
Thanks I appreciate the good words. I have 186 videos now with a good 75 plus just on LXD features. I am striving to cover details that no one else has.
Hey man, thanks for bringing this work-around to my attention. I've been so frustrated waiting for Plex to support AC-4, not to mention the FCC for allowing the broadcasters to use a proprietary, closed format. But the promise of better reception, especially during windy days has pushed me to try the Flex 4K. Now hopefully I can use my lifelong Plex Pass to DVR better quality shows. Can't wait to try it out!
It has become a mainstay for me. Especially for the improved reception.
One point of clarification from a TV engineer. ATSC 3 is capable of 4k broadcast but most stations will never actually broadcast in 4k because their internal infrastructure does not support 4k or more simply, because there is no financial reason to do so. 4k doesn't make TV stations any more money than a good 1080p broadcast. Having multiple channels of HD does actually pay the bills so most stations (if not all) will go with more HD channels and ignore 4k. Now, they may switch to 4k for some special broadcast but on a regular basis, I see almost all stations going with multiple high quality HD streams instead of 4k. As a TV engineer, I often talk about this on my UA-cam channel.
Great to have input from a fellow UA-camr and thanks for providing your perspective on this not so well undertood topic. I have noticed that in the Houston, Tx market that we have roughly 12 HEVC channels. The real impact that I have seen with tuning these channels is that the content tends to be at least 1080p rather than the 1080i that we get from ATSC-1. The real benefit of tuning the ATSC-3 channels for me has been more stable reception even during storms. So, my presentation was focused on a possible solution for those wanting to tune these newer channels as an alternative. I wanted to get the word out on one possible AC-4 audio workaround and that was the jist of my tutorial. The thing that you might be able to explain to me is why I see a 1080p signal recording really appearing to be a noticeable improvement over a 1080i signal recording.
@@scottibyte 1080p using HEVC is going to look better than 1080i using MPEG-2 because MPEG-2 is a very old technology at this point and since almost every device uses progressive scanning these days, 1080p was chosen to better match the frame rate of your device. 1080p is also better then 1080i because it refreshes the entire screen at once rather then refreshing half of the pixels at a time, like 1080i. 1080p actually combines the best of the current standards, 720p (used by ABC and FOX because of the higher refresh rate needed for sports) and 1080i (used by CBS and NBC because the higher quality).
@@TVJAY I was aware of the characteristics of progressive scan versus interlaced. The fact that you brought to my attention is that ABC/Fox were using 720p and CBS and NBC were 1080i. Come by chat.scottibyte.com/ to chat if you have time. I'd like to ask some more questions. Thx.
hey dude this video is awesome! Highly informational and easy to follow. It helped me so much in getting this working in my environment. I run everything on an Unraid setup and after some work, I was able to get it ported and working consistently. I'm working to get it shared on the community app store, but before I do, would it be okay if I credited and linked to this video?
Sure absolutely! Glad is helped you out.
Do you have the xml for this I cannot for the life of me get this setup in docker it says the image does not exist
@@vincentdyer54 Stop by the chat chat.scottibyte.com/
@@vincentdyer54 and yes the image is not found. That's because you need to follow the show notes and perform the docker build which builds the image locally.
@@vincentdyer54 please chat on chat.scottibyte.com/. Do you mean yml?
Thanks very helpful! One thing I had to do a little different is docker-compose up -d (you had docker compose up). Went to the web page and it shows up correctly, Plex made me manually add it, it didn't find it. One thing that's strange of the 8 channels in my area only 3 are available, the rest say protected?
Thanks for the kudo. The show notes do list a "docker compose up -d" (with the space between docker and compose which is the newer version and the -d to detach). It is the last command in my show notes. Depending on your TV market in the US, some stations have opted to add encryption to their ATSC-3 signal broadcasts. There is a huge debate on the legality of this because over the air was always supposed to be "free" to the people. The encryption option was meant only to support live broadcast of cable channels which may be a thing in the future. Per this debate, the ATSC-1 signal broadcasts will continue until this debate is resolved. As of right now, the HDHomeRun tuners do not have an option to decrypt these broadcasts. This may be a future option and I think the intent is it may be a paid option., ATSC-3 has many, many features not yet implemented that are planned to roll out over the next few years. In regards to your "protected" stations in your area, write to them and tell them why you think they should allow free and open access to their content. Consumer reports has a nationwide petition to the FCC to argue for ATSC-3 broadcasts to be free if they are content that always has been free.
@@scottibyte wow thanks for the detailed reply. I have UA-cam tv, and their 4k addon is ridiculously expensive, so I was hoping to find some 4k content over the air. If they're going to charge to unencrypted, might as well ask the FCC to take their license away.
@@ichigoofy It's really hard to tell where the FCC is going. I like ATSC-3 because it provides much better reception at distance than ATSC-1. I really cut the cord and so we watch over the air, a couple cheaper streaming services and that's it.
There are currently no channels broadcasting in 4K in the US and it’s unlikely any TV stations will be doing so in the near future until there are more 4K transmitters because there isn’t enough bandwidth while TV stations are sharing one physical channel. I really see no reason to use ATSC 3.0 until they resolve the DRM/recording issues mentioned by others.
That's a pretty negative outlook. The number one reason to use the ATSC 3 channels rather than the ATSC 1 channels if they are available in your area is reception. The first major benefit is picture quality. While ATSC 1.0 standard caps out at 1080i, the new standard allows for 4K UHD broadcasts. Other picture quality upgrades, including high dynamic range (HDR), wide color gamut (WCG), and high frame rate (HFR) are all part of the new provision. Right now, ATSC 3.0 uses the H.265 HEVC codec for video delivery because of its efficiency gains over the much older H.262 MPEG-2 codec used in ATSC 1.0. If you follow my guide, your standard 1080 reception and recordings will be in 1080p (progressive scan) and not 1080i (interlaced). While many broadcasts on ATSC 3.0 are still HD and not UHD, any ATSC 3.0 channel is capable of broadcasting in 4k. In fact, some sporting events, notably Superbowl are often broadcast in 4k. The DRM issue is a political one. Depending on your area, some or all your UHD channels are encrypted. There are many petitions to the FCC regarding free and available local broadcasting. Originally the DRM was meant for broadcasting only subscription content. In my area, none of my ATSC 3.0 channels are encrypted. The better reception and lack of buffering are well worth using the ATSC 3.0 channels. ATSC 3.0 channels have enough bandwidth to potentially transmit an 8k signal with h.265 compression and so bandwidth is not an issue.
According to Consumer Reports, Super Bowl LVII will be broadcast in 4K HDR. It won't be “true” 4K, though, as Fox will essentially be repeating what it did the last time it hosted the big game in 2020: recording everything in 1080p HDR and upscaling it to 4K. The move to actually broadcasting 4k content over ATSC 3.0 is as disappointing as moving to 5g cellular was. It's happening. Just slowly. In the meantime, there other benefits as I mentioned.
Any idea why Jellyfin won't adopt the channels from the emulator HDHomerRun? I can confirm via VLC the astc3.0 channels come through the emulator and get audio but things like Plex and Jellyfin, while they import the emulated hdhomerun, they do not seem to be using the actual stream from it.
@kevinkelly5476 Normally you should get it. The clue will be that you will have progressive scan video rather than interlaced.
Hey, thanks for this ...
And while your Houston market is great so far currently having 12 "still receivable" ATSC 3.0 channels.
You may want to forewarn your viewers in an upcoming video supplement to this or something, that unfortunately many TV markets are now exercising their right to protect content and are steadily turning on DRM and encryption to their ATSC 3.0 channels which the HD Homerun 4K cannot receive as of yet.
And while Silicon Dust has promised a solution for this on their 4K flex, at least for using their own app. So far there's been nothing from them. Nor is there any indication that other 3rd party apps like Plex or Jellyfin will ever support DRM/encryption for ATSC 3.0 as well.
You are correct regarding the DRM issue. I believe that the more significant problem is the fact that ATSC 3 uses the Dolby AC-4 codec. Honestly, in current times it is unacceptable that the ATSC 3 broadcast standard was ratified with a proprietary protocol for audio. If history is a teacher, I believe that ffmpeg will reverse engineer AC-4 so it can be decoded. My video was a hack solution to overcome the AC-4 issue. It's likely in this age of streaming that ATSC-3 will be used to broadcast subscription content and we will likely see a HDHR solution to the issue that you point out. As for encrypting all content, right now the FCC has extended the requirement for stations to continue broadcasting ATSC 1.0 content and I believe that is due to the current litigation brought forward regarding free access to over the air broadcasts which has been the standard since TV broadcasting has begun. So, in summary, I have no doubt that there will be ffmeg support for AC-4 which will enable Jellyfin and Plex for ATSC 3 audio. I also think that just like ATSC 3 internal TV tuners support DRM, you will see that on the HDHR Flex. There is so much, yet to be implemented, capabilities in ATSC-3 that the next several years will be bringing a lot of new broadcast features to the table. Thanks for your comments.
I need to get this going for my HD device..
If you need help, drop by the chat at chat.scottibyte.com/.
Is there a Windows build for this Virtual ATSC 3.0 Tuner available?
Jack, no unfortunately a lot of these types of application server instances will only be available in Linux. The primary reason for this is because Linux can deploy very small and efficient containerized apps that take almost zero resources. Watch my video entitled "Cheap Self-Hosting Server" to see what I am talking about.
@@scottibyte Can a Linux Server VM be setup in HyperV to perform this function?
@@scottleslie8764 absolutely. Not the most efficient way, but it will work fine.
Why add the the 2nd tuner to Jellyfin?
I guess you skipped around in the video or you were doing something else while watching. The "faux" tuner provides AC-4 to AC-3 audio encoding so that your ATSC 3.0 channels have sound. One tuner is physical and the other tuner is emulated.
Can 10 people or more watch from local network? Or have the limitation?
I suppose you are asking a question about the HDHomeRun tuner. Are you instead asking about the interface from Plex or Jellyfin to the HDHomeRun tuner? The chat is a better place to ask at chat.scottibyte.com/. Immediate answer is "No you don't have to have 10 people watching".
will this work in denmark ?
I do not believe that ATSC 3.0 is a standard outside of the US.