Oh my god I completely forgot about William and his mom... but now it make's perfect sense now... Joyce was the perfect surrogate mum... the mum that William always wanted, after his attempt to save his original mom by turning her into a vampire backfired and he had to kill her... hmm Spike's fondness for Joyce actually make's perfect sense now... beyond the due ex machina that Joyce is just that lovable... thanks :)
@@KaitouKenshiro good point! THIS is why I’m glad Spike wasn’t a temporary character like they intended. We wouldn’t have understood him as much without seeing his history
Spike going to pay his respects after she died is such a good scene. Really shows he did really care for her. Hate that Xander is a dick to him (tho I get it)
Yeah it's sad but Spike had a history of trying to use the others to get to Buffy, as Giles called out before and Spike didn't deny. It was just an unfortunate coincidence that he was sincere that time.
To be fair when xander realises there is no card on the flowers ie he wasn’t trying to score points with buffy, it was a genuine show of grief and respect. You could see he felt bad.
Unfortunately Spike did a lot of really questionable... or straight out horrible things in his past, some of which Xander and the rest of the Scoobies were privy to. In the instant with the flowers, Spike was trying to be genuine, but lets be fair, a few nice things wont take away from all the horrible things you did before. Don't get me wrong I loved spike, but all I'm saying is that I can see were Xander was coming from in thinking the worst from him, that he was trying to be manipulative and take advantage of Buffy's weakened state of mind while she's grieving her mother. Its like a serial killer suddenly having a change of heart and deciding that he will no longer kill people... are you going to be quick to trust him or be nice to him? Spike was pretty much a serial killer before he fell in love, so was Angel I know, but correct me if I'm wrong, Spike did not have his soul back at this point, Angel did when they met him, so as far as anyone knew Spike could go back to killing at any moment.
Spike fit in very well to be in the Summer family. Joyce was motherly figure to Spike which Spike need at times. Spike was older brother to Dawn which he always look out for her. Especially when Buffy died. Spike and Buffy had the passoniate love connection. No matter how bad it can be at times. Spike love Buffy too much to hurt her as much as Buffy fell love with Spike in very end of the show just to realize that she always love him too.
The watcher's council writeup on Buffy Summers would have made interesting reading. She broke so many of their rules but she may have been one of the slayers that lived the longest.
@@xxRexyResurrectionxx It's really weird that Buffy was the first ever slayer to be brought back to life. Did no watchers know CPR? We were led to believe that Buffy was special because she didn't act as a slayer alone and relied on her friends but other slayers had watchers, many of which they became very close with and most of the slayers we have details on had friends. Hell, Nikki had a son and a husband at some point despite only being 22 when spike kille her
@@trueaidooo Well the other slayers were either bitten, had their necks broken in a fight, or were stabbed. Buffy drowning was probably unique. Also CPR wasn't invented until 1956, so being in the 90s there was probably only one or two slayers before her when it would've been known.
Because he was not truly evil to start with. He was a failed poet and momma's boy. Which is why Drusilla turned him. She wanted someone easy to manipulate
Unlike a lot of vampires where they are full on evil as soon as they are turned because of demonic possession Spike honestly didn't seem THAT different when he was turned. He still seemed fairly human, was horrified when he turned his mother and she acted like a normal vampire leading to her being staked by him. He turned into a "normal" vampire by hanging out with Angelus.
It's not just about writing, originally Joss Whedon wanted to kill him after 5 episodes but the actor made such a good impression on the audience that they brought him back... And left him until very end 😉
@@killbill9847 very true! Goes to show actors delivering the character play a HUGE role in the characters success.,,no matter how well they’re written . I’m glad Spike stuck around too hope Jiss thanked the fans for that. They made him popular but of course James played a role too
I like to think that Spike instantly respected Joyce as soon as she hit him on the head with the axe. Sure, it hurt, but he knew why she did it and he respected her for it.
It doesn't matter if they were friends or not, still don't think Joyce would have ever have approved of him as a suitor for Buffy. She'd have preferred a human like Riley or, if it had to be a vampire, then probably Angel but Spike? She'd never want him for her daughter. I can tell because when Buffy told her and Willow about Spike's crush on her, Joyce was really worried about it.
From the interviews I've seen with him, I think I could have a decent conversation with Mr. Marsters if we ever happened to meet, which is not true for many celebrities. I used to work for Amtrak and met a few, most were nice people, even to the "help". It's one of the few things I miss about the job.
@@dizzybatz yeah, normally the axe would literally split your skull, which very well could be fatal even for a vampire. Since they don‘t survive decapitation, it‘s clear there must be some limit to how much head trauma they can sustain without dying.
Wait what I never got was how he was in the kitchen with Joyce and Dawn but then could not get in after buffy threw him out in the same episode is that a plot hole or something?
@@dylanleff373 I'm not sure, it's at some point in Season 5 when Buffy is hiding Joyce and Dawn from Glory and she stashes them in Spike's crypt because he can theoretically protect them.
It's the way spike said "passions is coming on" and Joyce immediately starting chatting to him about it, so he sat on the arm of the chair instead of the main seat, so she could sit on the other arm and watch with him..... he's literally such a momma's boy it's hysterical
You are so right. I can't shake the feeling that he probably had regular chats with his mom about the trashy romance novels of their day back when he was human.
Joyce was never scared of Spike. She actually trusted him unlike Angel. Having coffee and watching Passions together. ❤️ And there was one scene when he listened to her telling a funny work story.
Moments like this it becomes clear that even if Angel is more powerful than Spike, he isn’t stronger- in undeath Spike held onto his human identity better than most vampires.
Seeing as I remember the backstory of spikes identity and how he was pre-vampire you’re completely wrong he was not like what he is now. Spike was very nice and was a book lover got bullied
@@Bibblesupremacy1992 you may need to re read their comment mate. Of course he no longer had his full human identity as a vampire but he had some left whereas other souless vampires had non left. William never completely left Spike but it was close. Proof? Joyce could NEVER be around souless Angel.. too dangerous. But all these clips are her with souless Spike..in peace
Angel has never been more powerful than Spike. Most of their fights are pretty even and end in a draw, I can't remember a single time Angel won decisively. Spike killed two slayers and would have killed Buffy in their first encounter had it not been for Joyce. Angelus faced a slayer who was in love with him and hesitant to deal the final blow, and still couldn't kill her. The two finally had an all out brawl in season 5 and Spike won.
@@iainwhite8617 Yep. Spike explained that to win in any fight you have to want to win and enjoy the fight. Angel never really enjoy fighting. Angelus enjoys being sadistic and that's it. Spike loves to fight no matter what. When he learns that he can only fight and kill demons he does it no problem.
@@lessismore8533 I always wondered why Spike's surprisingly high level of humanity never gave a pause to Scoobies, especially Giles. As a watcher, he should be more... well, watchful and analytical.
YES! Thing about ships. If ppl feel a ship is soulmates that’s fine. But I hate weak arguments that say “just because”. If Bangle fans say “soul mates”, they must back it up. Because I can back Spuffy up with tons of evidence. Spike got closer to Buffy’s family than Angel ever did. A huge part of love is knowing someone’s family. Afterall, that’s what marriage leads to
@@lessismore8533 Another thing I noticed about Spike is the fact that strangely Joyce never seemed "scared" of him ?? Like, everytime she'd meet Angel she was always wary, but when it came to Spike ? Nothing. Actually, she even looked like she was amused by him lol. Bangel wasn't realistic at all. Buffy always acted like a child around him (which she was of course), she was constantly on the edge, overwhelmed. Whereas with Spike she seemed more like herself. On another note, as much as I'm a hard Spuffy fan, let's be real, Buffy could never marry a vampire. A relationship with a vampire can't work. While you'll grow old he/she wouldn't.
I said, Spike meets Dottie from Agent Carter and screams not another bloody Underwood! Next thing I know my names in Witchblade, Did I tell you that one?
The talk about Passions is kinda making me want to watch it. I do remember it being a freaking ridiculous show when it was on- and I didn't watch soap operas, didn't care about stuff like that, so it was something to make fun of. Now that I'm older and my life is no longer a soap opera, I enjoy watching them- it would probably be fun to check it out.
I always loved their friendship. It was so odd and sweet. Spike truly respected her and was fond of her because she was the one of the very few people to treat him with kidness.
Him explaining to Willow and Joyce what Drusila did are one of the best scenes. Also him sobering up and wishing to be dead because his head hurts. No wonder people fell in love with Spike and thus Joss couldn't kill him off as he planed.
Spike has such a unique and interesting relationship with the whole cast. He is brilliant when he has conversations with Buffy, Willow, Xander, Giles, Joyce, Drusilla, Angel, Dawn, Tara & even Andrew. And thats also a reason why he is an incredible well-written character.
@Egawa C yes! So the Joss has the fans to thank for him staying on the show! We never would’ve seen 1800s William flashback or his past history with Angel
I'd like to imagine after the episode, Joyce and Spike continue go either watch Passions together or atleast discuss the show on a semi regular basis. Spike actually grieving and wanting to leave flowers for her after her passing despite not even having a soul shows how much he cared about and respected Joyce. He didn't do it in an attempt to be noticed and gain favor amongst the scoobies, he did it because she meant something to him and wanted to pay his respects. He didn't want to be seen doing it, he actively tried to avoid anyone noticing.
I think one of the saddest parts of Joyce’s death was that it was after the Summers family had their falling out with Spike, meaning she never got to know how Spike valued her and their friendship.
Oh, I do miss this show. Spike's friendship with Joyce was pure gold, and I LOVED how smoothly this show was always able to work in the nods that would otherwise drive fans crazy. A lot of shows, for instance, would have just ignored that Joyce hit Spike in the head with an axe one time, but they nodded to it here, and they made it feel so natural.
Yeah, the continuity of the show was excellent. Hints were left for later seasons that were followed up on, and they didn't "forget" about incidents from earlier episodes
I love that Joyce, filled with terror, still stands her ground telling Angel(us) to get lost or she’d stake him herself💗 U can sooo see how she’s totally Buffy’s mom there lol-strong women! I love that she grew past her unacceptance of slayer-ism and joined the mr pointy fan club.lol Spike in this clip was absolute gold..omg such a great character.
Spike, even when he was one of the main villians, was always one of my favorite characters. Something that only grew as the show went on. It's been so long I honestly forgot that he abd Joyce had a decent relationship...whelp I'm gonna go hunt down the show now so I can rewatch it
Got to say I prefer Buffy & Spike together than her & Angel. Angel was a miserable, self-pitying character & Angelus was just pure evil. So much so he had a Soul forced on him, Spike is his opposite, Even without a Soul he tried to be better than he was, he helped save the world twice. All this without a Soul & he fought to get his back, to be worthy of Buffy. So yeah! Spike was the better man
So are you just ignoring the shock collar shoved inside his skull? Or how about the instant that he thought it stopped working he went to murder a random woman, I'd imagine out of some deep seated misogyny. Also, giving Spike a soul was dumb, it was a narrative braking 'get out of jail free' card that ticks me off till this day. Fuffy shipper here btw.
@@minuette1752 I like James and feel he was great as Spike, but there were truly awful parts to his character! Aside from the points @rottenwraith raises, let’s not forget the whole sexual assault in the bathroom thing! Idk why Whedon chose to go that route with the character, though recent years have brought unsavory revelations to light, but this makes me be more partial to Angel…
Spike didn't fight to get his soul back. He was looking for a way to get around the chip and the African demon misinterpreted his "Restore me to what I once was" and gave him a soul he didn't want instead.
I’m still very angry that Angel stormed up to Joyce and Spike and ruined their nice conversation. So rude. He was not invited. I hate people that just have to make everything about them.
Anthony Stuart Head (Giles) coached him. The cockney accent is his natural, which he taught to James Marsters. He switched to the stereotypical posh accent for his role.
I mean they were perfect together. "I Liked, The Lady. Always had a cuppa waiting for me...and she didn't treat me like a freak" If ever there was some fictional writing I could relate to it was here lol.
I hate that they killed off Joyce but it made sense because Buffy will never become fully dependent on herself, and take care of Dawn, if Joyce is still there. And also Giles had to leave, and Buffy had to figure out how to become slayer without her watcher's guidance on the battlefield, and life!
Also buffy wasn't dawns parent i.e it wasn't her job to take care of her. The watchers are supposed to guide the slayer on battlefield thats pretty much why they exist, its the rest of life that was buffys domain.
I started watching Buffy for the first time, recently finished it and Xander always reminded me of Chandler, even in looks and mannerisms! Maybe in an alternate universe, Xander/Chandler and Spike are bffs 😂
Buffy is yet another nickname for Elizabeth (the name with 1000 nicknames) but in the late 1960s & early 1970s there was a popular tv show with a character named Buffy so there were some little girls born between about 1968 to 1974 who wound up with the name Buffy as their legal name not a nickname
When Angel didn’t have a soul he came up to Joyce and might have killed her. With a soul he’s outraged that spike is with her and wants to protect her. If he knew that Joyce knows he’s a vampire with no soul, socialized with him before, feels safe alone with him. All despite meeting him for the first time by axeing his head to protect Buffy. She still and always has liked and trusted an unsouled spike more than a souled Angel. Why? Because Angel was with Buffy and hurt her, and spike wasn’t. A parent will never forgive the paramour of their child if they’ve hurt them.
I love Spike and Joyce. Finding out that William was a momma's boy when he was human helped make this so much more understandable.
Oh my god I completely forgot about William and his mom... but now it make's perfect sense now... Joyce was the perfect surrogate mum... the mum that William always wanted, after his attempt to save his original mom by turning her into a vampire backfired and he had to kill her... hmm Spike's fondness for Joyce actually make's perfect sense now... beyond the due ex machina that Joyce is just that lovable... thanks :)
@@KaitouKenshiro good point! THIS is why I’m glad Spike wasn’t a temporary character like they intended. We wouldn’t have understood him as much without seeing his history
@@lessismore8533 So, so true. Spikes story arc is one of the best on the Buffy verse.
@@theprinceoftides6836 So Anyanka and the Darkhold?
@@KaitouKenshiro so real omg
I love how Spike loves all the Summers women in a way. Buffy romantic, Joyce like a mother, and even Dawn like a younger sibling.
Lol I would argue that he looks at Joyce like a cool aunt that he can talk to because he has mommy issues 😅😂
@@TheDubleTake Y'know, I forgot about that particular aspect of his history until you just reminded me. Thank you oh so much.
@@Greendalewitch Spike’s mom tried to bang him after he turned her. I was addressing a comment that brought that up and Spike and mothers in general.
lmao spike taunting angel when he knew he would never really hurt Joyce cause he respected her.
“You’re a VERY bad man”😂😂
That scene had me rolling 😂😂
Joyce Summers would been a cool vampire.
William was a momma’s boy and I think he missed the mom energy. He and Joyce had great banter.
Spike going to pay his respects after she died is such a good scene. Really shows he did really care for her. Hate that Xander is a dick to him (tho I get it)
Gjhhgfd
Yeah it's sad but Spike had a history of trying to use the others to get to Buffy, as Giles called out before and Spike didn't deny.
It was just an unfortunate coincidence that he was sincere that time.
To be fair when xander realises there is no card on the flowers ie he wasn’t trying to score points with buffy, it was a genuine show of grief and respect.
You could see he felt bad.
Xander was just a dick in general.
Unfortunately Spike did a lot of really questionable... or straight out horrible things in his past, some of which Xander and the rest of the Scoobies were privy to. In the instant with the flowers, Spike was trying to be genuine, but lets be fair, a few nice things wont take away from all the horrible things you did before.
Don't get me wrong I loved spike, but all I'm saying is that I can see were Xander was coming from in thinking the worst from him, that he was trying to be manipulative and take advantage of Buffy's weakened state of mind while she's grieving her mother. Its like a serial killer suddenly having a change of heart and deciding that he will no longer kill people... are you going to be quick to trust him or be nice to him? Spike was pretty much a serial killer before he fell in love, so was Angel I know, but correct me if I'm wrong, Spike did not have his soul back at this point, Angel did when they met him, so as far as anyone knew Spike could go back to killing at any moment.
Spike fit in very well to be in the Summer family. Joyce was motherly figure to Spike which Spike need at times. Spike was older brother to Dawn which he always look out for her. Especially when Buffy died. Spike and Buffy had the passoniate love connection. No matter how bad it can be at times. Spike love Buffy too much to hurt her as much as Buffy fell love with Spike in very end of the show just to realize that she always love him too.
The watcher's council writeup on Buffy Summers would have made interesting reading. She broke so many of their rules but she may have been one of the slayers that lived the longest.
Perhaps Joyce reminded Spike of his mother
@@drmayeda1930 that being said she probably died the most times just to be brought back to life.
@@xxRexyResurrectionxx It's really weird that Buffy was the first ever slayer to be brought back to life. Did no watchers know CPR? We were led to believe that Buffy was special because she didn't act as a slayer alone and relied on her friends but other slayers had watchers, many of which they became very close with and most of the slayers we have details on had friends. Hell, Nikki had a son and a husband at some point despite only being 22 when spike kille her
@@trueaidooo Well the other slayers were either bitten, had their necks broken in a fight, or were stabbed. Buffy drowning was probably unique. Also CPR wasn't invented until 1956, so being in the 90s there was probably only one or two slayers before her when it would've been known.
Them bonding over ''Passions'' was easily my favourite Spike/Joyce moment so I'm glad it got included.
Same, it’s such an iconic thing they did together
I wish there had been more 😆😆😆😆
Spike compared to most other Vampires was more decent when it came to some people even before he became chipped and got a soul
Because he was not truly evil to start with. He was a failed poet and momma's boy. Which is why Drusilla turned him. She wanted someone easy to manipulate
He always had a lot of soul-adjacency in him, for a vampire. That apocalypse demon in Season 2 mentioned he could literally smell the humanity on him.
Unlike a lot of vampires where they are full on evil as soon as they are turned because of demonic possession Spike honestly didn't seem THAT different when he was turned. He still seemed fairly human, was horrified when he turned his mother and she acted like a normal vampire leading to her being staked by him. He turned into a "normal" vampire by hanging out with Angelus.
@@feliciaclaye9574 true! Pre soul Spike is superior to other pre soul vampires. Such a special character
@@heartoffire5902 wow nice foreshadowing! I didn’t know that
" you got any of those little marshmallows?"
Bruh😆
He’s so cute!
those two did have some of the best moments
Spike is one of the best written characters in this show
It's not just about writing, originally Joss Whedon wanted to kill him after 5 episodes but the actor made such a good impression on the audience that they brought him back... And left him until very end 😉
@@TheMatheww94 well that was a wise and good decision, the show would have been different without him
@@killbill9847 very true! Goes to show actors delivering the character play a HUGE role in the characters success.,,no matter how well they’re written . I’m glad Spike stuck around too hope Jiss thanked the fans for that. They made him popular but of course James played a role too
PLEASE THEY BOTH HAVE THE BEST KIND OF UNMATCHED ENERGY
I like to think that Spike instantly respected Joyce as soon as she hit him on the head with the axe. Sure, it hurt, but he knew why she did it and he respected her for it.
i loved spike, he was some good comedy relief
“You’re a VERY bad man!”
I love the bit with Xander when he’s in his basement tied up hush episode and he making fun of Xander and Anya
I love the Joyce and Spike interactions. Man, I need to watch Buffy again. I have all the season, just haven't watched it in a long time.
the greatest character ever....if only it wasnt for that bathroom scene
That sound Spike made at the end💀
God, how I miss this show, & no reboot of it could bever compare to it PERIOD!! ❤💯
They are adorable
I love these two they always were quite the pair
Joyce was cute.
I really wanna track down the episode with that last scene. I just replayed it like 3 times just now because Spike's taunting is just so good. XD
It’s season 3 episode 8! Titled: Lovers Walk :)
Spike RULES lol
Really miss this show and these characters
It doesn't matter if they were friends or not, still don't think Joyce would have ever have approved of him as a suitor for Buffy. She'd have preferred a human like Riley or, if it had to be a vampire, then probably Angel but Spike? She'd never want him for her daughter. I can tell because when Buffy told her and Willow about Spike's crush on her, Joyce was really worried about it.
Mm maybe not soulless spike, but souled spike would be another thing i think.
Just a nice guy Buffy’s mom can and will invite inside the house
spik'ın tüm summers kadınlarına olan saygısı ve sevgisi beni çok minnoş hissettiriyor
Spike is my favourite all time vampire he is the best
Dawn has the right response to that one lol
I love him❤❤❤
From the interviews I've seen with him, I think I could have a decent conversation with Mr. Marsters if we ever happened to meet, which is not true for many celebrities. I used to work for Amtrak and met a few, most were nice people, even to the "help". It's one of the few things I miss about the job.
James marsters is hilarious
You know, for hitting a guy in the head with an axe, she did almost no damage. She just kind of…tapped him with the edge.
I always wondered that, she litterely whacked him with an axe, yet the damage it did was similar to that of a news paper 💀
@@dizzybatz yeah, normally the axe would literally split your skull, which very well could be fatal even for a vampire. Since they don‘t survive decapitation, it‘s clear there must be some limit to how much head trauma they can sustain without dying.
Wait what I never got was how he was in the kitchen with Joyce and Dawn but then could not get in after buffy threw him out in the same episode is that a plot hole or something?
How did spike enter buffy house without been invited
Joyce (the actual homeowner) invited him.
Lol
Your a very bad man lol.
That was so cute!!!
Spike and Joyce watching "Passions" together is possibly my favorite thing in this entire show
and dawn being done with that was GOLD!!
what episode was that
@@dylanleff373 I'm not sure, it's at some point in Season 5 when Buffy is hiding Joyce and Dawn from Glory and she stashes them in Spike's crypt because he can theoretically protect them.
@@dylanleff373 its "checkpoint" in season 5.
Here, here!
Well, her opening their relationship by hitting him with that ax was like her going straight to third base with him.
And not 'ax'idently, either.
@@lauragraves4342 It was a sort of a meeting by ax.
I understand that reference, buddy describing that she hits spike a lot and that’s like 3rd base to him. Nice.
A real meet-cut(e) if you will
Lol I forgot about that 😂 “well for spike that’s like 3rd base..”
It's the way spike said "passions is coming on" and Joyce immediately starting chatting to him about it, so he sat on the arm of the chair instead of the main seat, so she could sit on the other arm and watch with him..... he's literally such a momma's boy it's hysterical
I think it's a touch of Spike's humanity that he and Joyce have something in common and he immediately responds to that.
that was so cute stop omg
@@daynechastant yah I mean Spike was close to his OWN lol back in the old days so it makes sense
You are so right. I can't shake the feeling that he probably had regular chats with his mom about the trashy romance novels of their day back when he was human.
@@dayschange2until he turned her into a vampire and she told him how much she despised him..
😂😂😂
Joyce was never scared of Spike. She actually trusted him unlike Angel. Having coffee and watching Passions together. ❤️ And there was one scene when he listened to her telling a funny work story.
Moments like this it becomes clear that even if Angel is more powerful than Spike, he isn’t stronger- in undeath Spike held onto his human identity better than most vampires.
Seeing as I remember the backstory of spikes identity and how he was pre-vampire you’re completely wrong he was not like what he is now. Spike was very nice and was a book lover got bullied
@@Bibblesupremacy1992 you may need to re read their comment mate. Of course he no longer had his full human identity as a vampire but he had some left whereas other souless vampires had non left. William never completely left Spike but it was close. Proof? Joyce could NEVER be around souless Angel.. too dangerous. But all these clips are her with souless Spike..in peace
Angel has never been more powerful than Spike. Most of their fights are pretty even and end in a draw, I can't remember a single time Angel won decisively. Spike killed two slayers and would have killed Buffy in their first encounter had it not been for Joyce. Angelus faced a slayer who was in love with him and hesitant to deal the final blow, and still couldn't kill her. The two finally had an all out brawl in season 5 and Spike won.
@@iainwhite8617 Yep. Spike explained that to win in any fight you have to want to win and enjoy the fight. Angel never really enjoy fighting. Angelus enjoys being sadistic and that's it. Spike loves to fight no matter what. When he learns that he can only fight and kill demons he does it no problem.
@@lessismore8533 I always wondered why Spike's surprisingly high level of humanity never gave a pause to Scoobies, especially Giles. As a watcher, he should be more... well, watchful and analytical.
The fact that even Joyce prefered Spike over Angel says it all.
Spuffy endgame.
YES! Thing about ships. If ppl feel a ship is soulmates that’s fine. But I hate weak arguments that say “just because”. If Bangle fans say “soul mates”, they must back it up. Because I can back Spuffy up with tons of evidence. Spike got closer to Buffy’s family than Angel ever did. A huge part of love is knowing someone’s family. Afterall, that’s what marriage leads to
@@lessismore8533 Another thing I noticed about Spike is the fact that strangely Joyce never seemed "scared" of him ?? Like, everytime she'd meet Angel she was always wary, but when it came to Spike ? Nothing. Actually, she even looked like she was amused by him lol.
Bangel wasn't realistic at all. Buffy always acted like a child around him (which she was of course), she was constantly on the edge, overwhelmed. Whereas with Spike she seemed more like herself.
On another note, as much as I'm a hard Spuffy fan, let's be real, Buffy could never marry a vampire. A relationship with a vampire can't work. While you'll grow old he/she wouldn't.
So I'm strolling through the park looking for a meal and I happened to walk by
and she's making out with the chaos demon!
Spuffy endgame ? How ? He tried to rape Buffy !
I said, Spike meets Dottie from Agent Carter and screams not another bloody Underwood! Next thing I know my names in Witchblade, Did I tell you that one?
I love the bit where they bond over Passions! 😂
The talk about Passions is kinda making me want to watch it. I do remember it being a freaking ridiculous show when it was on- and I didn't watch soap operas, didn't care about stuff like that, so it was something to make fun of. Now that I'm older and my life is no longer a soap opera, I enjoy watching them- it would probably be fun to check it out.
what episode was that
Dawn's face was straight up like, 'wtf?'
Dru your bloody moon programmes on tele again! Pass me that bag of monster munch luv.
I always loved their friendship. It was so odd and sweet. Spike truly respected her and was fond of her because she was the one of the very few people to treat him with kidness.
Yes plus she was a mother figure to him. I guess he felt empty with his mother issues in the past
@@lessismore8533 Yeah. I wish we had more.
Him explaining to Willow and Joyce what Drusila did are one of the best scenes. Also him sobering up and wishing to be dead because his head hurts. No wonder people fell in love with Spike and thus Joss couldn't kill him off as he planed.
Spike has such a unique and interesting relationship with the whole cast.
He is brilliant when he has conversations with Buffy, Willow, Xander, Giles, Joyce, Drusilla, Angel, Dawn, Tara & even Andrew.
And thats also a reason why he is an incredible well-written character.
Personally, I give credit to James Marsters as an actor. The man could have chemistry with a brick wall!
@Egawa C yes! So the Joss has the fans to thank for him staying on the show! We never would’ve seen 1800s William flashback or his past history with Angel
His conversations with Xander are usually confrontations: “Shut up Spike!”😂
@@lessismore8533 Cecily & The Whirlwind.
@@lessismore8533 Only in America can you say bollocks at prime time.
I'd like to imagine after the episode, Joyce and Spike continue go either watch Passions together or atleast discuss the show on a semi regular basis. Spike actually grieving and wanting to leave flowers for her after her passing despite not even having a soul shows how much he cared about and respected Joyce. He didn't do it in an attempt to be noticed and gain favor amongst the scoobies, he did it because she meant something to him and wanted to pay his respects. He didn't want to be seen doing it, he actively tried to avoid anyone noticing.
I think one of the saddest parts of Joyce’s death was that it was after the Summers family had their falling out with Spike, meaning she never got to know how Spike valued her and their friendship.
Can we appreciate the gloriousness of Joyce's hair! The talk about Drucilla - her hair is so thick and luscious!
Yep had a HUGE crush on her growing up.
The King of Cups expects a picnic.
I bet the carpet matches the drapes.
Oh, I do miss this show. Spike's friendship with Joyce was pure gold, and I LOVED how smoothly this show was always able to work in the nods that would otherwise drive fans crazy. A lot of shows, for instance, would have just ignored that Joyce hit Spike in the head with an axe one time, but they nodded to it here, and they made it feel so natural.
Nice point with the ax! It’s hard to pull off good writing like that. Buffy was a masterpiece
Yeah, the continuity of the show was excellent. Hints were left for later seasons that were followed up on, and they didn't "forget" about incidents from earlier episodes
Joyce and Spike just had the best energy!
Only thing missing is him bringing her flowers. Excuse me, dust just flew into my eyes.
You forgot the ep where Spike confesses he is in love with Buffy scene. Where Buffy walk in him, Joyce and Dawn are laughing.
That was my favorite
joyce was so sweet, she even let crazy ole spike in. and spike had such a soft side that of course joyce brought it out of them. they were besties fr
She didn’t - it was buffy who invited spike in (when they were working together against Angelus and Drusilla)
@@ankyfire yea but you get their point. Buffy let him in. Joyce accepted him in
@@lessismore8533 ahahha did she have a choice? He could just come in, whether Joyce accepted him or not. Once invited, always invited.
1:18
I love how Spike doesn't seem to mind the idea of Joyce and Dawn knowing he watches Passions, given his tendency to play up his tough guy act.
I love that Joyce, filled with terror, still stands her ground telling Angel(us) to get lost or she’d stake him herself💗 U can sooo see how she’s totally Buffy’s mom there lol-strong women! I love that she grew past her unacceptance of slayer-ism and joined the mr pointy fan club.lol Spike in this clip was absolute gold..omg such a great character.
What episode is that? I can't place it
@@brianbrink8286 lovers walk I believe (season 3 episode 8? Maybe 7 idk it's been a while)
The Dawn eye roll in the crypt pretty much says it all...
Yeah, she was totally mastering the 'oh god, must leave the old fogies' - first 'boomers' moment ;)
Joyce was one of the few people who didn't treat Spike like a monster (well, except for the time she whacked him with that axe).
Well he kind of deserved it that time 😆
😂😂😂😂
Spike said this about Joyce himself
This is the first buffy video that isn’t 5-12 years old 😔 thank u sm
No problem! I still love this show so much 😊
Spike is walking comedy I love him 🤣😂
PASSIONS, timmy☠
I know the lyrics by heart 😭😭😭
The writers really hit the nail on the head with the Joyce/Spike relationship.
1:37 Joyce found Spike some marshmallows.
Good job!! I didn't notice that!!!
Good eye!!! ❤️
Spike, even when he was one of the main villians, was always one of my favorite characters. Something that only grew as the show went on. It's been so long I honestly forgot that he abd Joyce had a decent relationship...whelp I'm gonna go hunt down the show now so I can rewatch it
Yes! Spikes popularity kept him on the show. And fans like you made it possible! Even as a villian he rocked!
"You're a _very_ bad man!"
😂😂😂😂
Got to say I prefer Buffy & Spike together than her & Angel. Angel was a miserable, self-pitying character & Angelus was just pure evil. So much so he had a Soul forced on him, Spike is his opposite, Even without a Soul he tried to be better than he was, he helped save the world twice. All this without a Soul & he fought to get his back, to be worthy of Buffy. So yeah! Spike was the better man
I love how evil Angelus was, he was truly twisted. Spike was evil but nothing compared to Angelus. Spike like to have fun.
So are you just ignoring the shock collar shoved inside his skull? Or how about the instant that he thought it stopped working he went to murder a random woman, I'd imagine out of some deep seated misogyny.
Also, giving Spike a soul was dumb, it was a narrative braking 'get out of jail free' card that ticks me off till this day.
Fuffy shipper here btw.
@@minuette1752 I like James and feel he was great as Spike, but there were truly awful parts to his character! Aside from the points @rottenwraith raises, let’s not forget the whole sexual assault in the bathroom thing! Idk why Whedon chose to go that route with the character, though recent years have brought unsavory revelations to light, but this makes me be more partial to Angel…
@@burningxnecro What the hell is a Fuffy shipper? Oh Christ! Not Faith? I'd understand that if their was ever a hint of a relationship between to two
Spike didn't fight to get his soul back. He was looking for a way to get around the chip and the African demon misinterpreted his "Restore me to what I once was" and gave him a soul he didn't want instead.
I only wish there had been more scenes, them talking about Passions was one of my favorite moments.
😂😂😂
The episode where Joyce dies and Spike turns up with Flowers was heartbreaking
I’m still very angry that Angel stormed up to Joyce and Spike and ruined their nice conversation. So rude. He was not invited. I hate people that just have to make everything about them.
I know I'm late to the conversation but can I say how absolutely awesome Spike's British accent is? I didn't realise he was American.
Anthony Stuart Head (Giles) coached him. The cockney accent is his natural, which he taught to James Marsters. He switched to the stereotypical posh accent for his role.
@@feliciaclaye9574 I did not know this, thank you.
@@geowynleda4641 You are very welcome; I am glad that my bits of random trivia knowledge is useful.
@@feliciaclaye9574 I just assumed Anthony Stuart Head was posh 😭 I can't imagine him any other way
As a Brit I agree. It only slipped once, when he said patronise as Pay-tronise rather than the British Pat-ronise.
I wish they never killed Joyce off. I loved her so much. That hit me really hard.
Same here, and the fact that it was a completely human death aswell made it so much more impactful
Ikr!!
Joyce’s death was a plot transition of Buffy maturing away from her parents.
I mean they were perfect together. "I Liked, The Lady. Always had a cuppa waiting for me...and she didn't treat me like a freak"
If ever there was some fictional writing I could relate to it was here lol.
🤣🤣🤣 Joyce just overlooks Spike saying "I was strolling through the park lookin for a meal."
LMAO
This video is cool. Joyce never saw souled Spike and he was still always cool with her. ❤️
I'm sorry but I didn't like Angel crazy azz.. He was a kookoo fallen angel .But Spike was real AF! 😇😇😇
Spike is the best character ever written and so beautifully brought to life by James !! ♥️♥️
Spike and Joyce, the relationship we didn’t expect but grew to love.
I hate that they killed off Joyce but it made sense because Buffy will never become fully dependent on herself, and take care of Dawn, if Joyce is still there. And also Giles had to leave, and Buffy had to figure out how to become slayer without her watcher's guidance on the battlefield, and life!
Yes because everyone who's parents stay alive never become independant of their parents.
@@ronaldfasshauer4390 😂😂 good point
Annoying plot convenience
Also buffy wasn't dawns parent i.e it wasn't her job to take care of her. The watchers are supposed to guide the slayer on battlefield thats pretty much why they exist, its the rest of life that was buffys domain.
I love the fact that Joyce really liked Spike..^^
I love how Joyce viewed Angel as the bad guy but Spike as the good guy when it was complete opposite 💀💀
i think spike and chandler bing would make good friends. i think spike would be chandler bing's alter ego and vice versa lol
I started watching Buffy for the first time, recently finished it and Xander always reminded me of Chandler, even in looks and mannerisms! Maybe in an alternate universe, Xander/Chandler and Spike are bffs 😂
@@Earet0 lol yes i see this.
A sitcom id love to watch ❤️
lmao. I completely forgot all about Passions. I love that they bond over that.
Spike standing behind Joyce and teasing Angel is the funniest thing 😂
Thy should have had more scenes
Joyce and Spike were one of the best duos on the show. And when he brought flowers to leave for her, it was clear he saw his mom in Joyce.
We need more Buffy meme content.
Passions reference my heart flips
We’re they supposed to get along so well or is something that just happened naturally?
I personally think it was just natural, it was probably originally for comic relief but the characters seemed to just have great chemistry lol
@@dizzybatz Yes. That makes a lot of sense. 🙂
“You’re a very bad man!” 🤣
Who the hell names their kid Buffy...
Someone who thinks the 60's never ended.
In the 70s I had a girl named Buffy in my class 😆
Buffy is yet another nickname for Elizabeth (the name with 1000 nicknames) but in the late 1960s & early 1970s there was a popular tv show with a character named Buffy so there were some little girls born between about 1968 to 1974 who wound up with the name Buffy as their legal name not a nickname
Hi Cordelia is that you? Lol
Its better than Drusilla.
That demon made William change from a dork to the MOST CHARMING Character EVER.
When Angel didn’t have a soul he came up to Joyce and might have killed her.
With a soul he’s outraged that spike is with her and wants to protect her.
If he knew that Joyce knows he’s a vampire with no soul, socialized with him before, feels safe alone with him. All despite meeting him for the first time by axeing his head to protect Buffy.
She still and always has liked and trusted an unsouled spike more than a souled Angel.
Why?
Because Angel was with Buffy and hurt her, and spike wasn’t.
A parent will never forgive the paramour of their child if they’ve hurt them.
Yes mini marshmallows please
I like how Spike and Buffy mother Is buddies 😅
Kristine Sutherland was also Mrs. Thompson in the movie, ‘ Honey, I Shrunk the Kids.’
Our love was eternal, literally!
I never get tired of laughing at that
I think that he love to speak with Joyce because she reminds him of his own mother
That’s true, he probably missed having that mother figure especially after what happened when he bit his own mother
True
The tiny marshmallows!!