Had an old Bach 52b that had the laquer removed by one the previous owners. The metal was sooo thin at the bell you could run a fingernail on one side and see the impression coming through the other. That horn had such a light, ethereal sound but still warm at max volume. I love how every instrument has a personality. Thank you for keeping bones in good shape!
I’ve always liked the sound of the trombone and the vibe it brings to music. But the way you described that instrument makes me wanna deep dive trombone intricacies. Becoming knowledgeable about another instrument I don’t play.
@@ariboni73 thanks for the comment. Some people really seem to like it (over one million people now) and a few certainly don't, but it's all up to what one's taste is. The previous lacquer on the bell was in awful shape, so that was removed along with all of the remaining dents and copper was plated on top. The sound is now much warmer as a result, but again, as is the case in the arts, whether this is 'better' or 'restored' is all chalked up to one's preference.
Thank you so much for making this content it just came up on my feed for the first time! I was a musical instrument repair tech back in early 2000 and i loved every minute of it.
I worked at S.E. Shires Trombones finaling valve sections for around 8 years. I worked in the valve section department and made the rotory, Thayer and Tru--bore valves and levers work. What a gig. It wrecked my hand and the place had fumes that affected me big time, but it was fun. Glad it ended when it did. I miss a few people from there including Steve Shires.
Had a 1958 88h that was once turned into a lamp, the side was needed to be realigned, the whole thing needed to be stripped and many dents to be removed, and the F section needed reworking. Had the F opened up to .580, aside from the elbows into the valve, the slide did need to be replated but I skipped on that bc the realignment did wonders as it was, and the bell, had one don’t right near the top joint, which we left. But with all the old gunk and laquer removed, you could see and feel every tooling mark from when it was made, and it felt like if you sneezed near it you’d dent it. It of course was tougher than that but oh boy do I ever regret selling that horn every day. I was so responsive, warm but still bright, the f attachment barely felt any different from the standard loop and my favorite part of that horn was the “false” first position. If you know you know. That horn made me such a better player and still have me room to grow. Playing it was sex for me, it just inspired me to practice more and play better. It had no place in any of my other gigs but in a classical and symphonic setting it was absolute bliss. Power and finesse, you could feel each note you played. I eventually opted to have single thin as he could get it coat of laquer on the bell but it held that patina sooo well.
He knows how to play it, so I assume he knows it's not a tuba. But the next youtuber will probably steal this video and overdub it with something like "this guy is a GENIUS. He repairs the old rusty TUBA with Dangerous Electric Forcefield"
Go for it! Try to find a good used yamaha/bach/conn/getzen student trombone - there are lots out there for reasonable prices! Just whatever you do, don't buy one from amazon :)
Great question! Paint coatings aren't typically used on brass instruments (with some rare exceptions) because they usually deaden the sound. The closest thing I can think of is gold-tinted lacquer that you find on a lot of vintage instruments.
This was just diluted phosphoric acid. Typically you would want to use a lacquer stripper, just the coating was in such bad shape that it just fell off with a short plunge in the bath.
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@@magnusklahr8190 that's where the electroplating takes place: the dissolved copper that is present in the solution gets drawn to the subject (the bell), forming microscopic crystals on the surface which eventually become thick layers.
@@thomaskeegan5584 try the Z22 lacquer stripper available at Ferree's tools online. If that still doesn't work, etch the lacquer with some 600grit sand paper and reapply.
The soldering technique in this video is fairly standard: one entry point, and draw the solder all the way round the brace. It's not possible to pre-fill the brace with solder before installation b/c one typically ends up with too much or too little after the pressure gives and the solder melts, and so there's really no way around cleaning that one lip of solder on each joint. But would love to hear how you approach it! Such a fun and delicate craft.
This is great. I make custom copper and brass kerosene lamps, is there any coating you know of to keep the shine? I have shellac, polyurethane, and urethane. Never tried any yet becauae I dont want to mess the lamps up
@@JohnSmith-il4wi thanks for the comment! Super neat. The patena on this horn was intentional, but if I wanted to keep the shine I would apply clear lacquer.
@@LetsRestoreIt No it's not! The lacquer on this horn was in such bad shape that all it needed was a little time in the acid bath. I do use Ferrees' clear lacquer though, great stuff.
@@Amadán_dubh although I couldn't fit in a clip of what the lacquer looked like before, I can assure you that it is much better now, even if you're not a fan of the patena 🙂
@@FarkyDave it wasn't so much the lacquer removal as it was the addition of the copper that made all the difference. The horn's tone is so much more warm and rich now!
@@wombatillo the plating is very thick at about 8thou, so maybe a few hundred grams? I'll weigh in the next bell I do to see. I use copper from piano bass strings , so the material moves from one instrument to another!
So knowing nothing about horns, are you removing the stock material and replating it for looks or are you changing the tone? Have you experimented eith other metals besides copper from the looks of things?
@@thedude7726 great questions! Only a couple thousandths of the original brass material is removed in order to plate copper on top (what you see coming off in the video is the lacquer). The addition of copper creates a warmer tone, and it just happens to also be aesthetically pleasing. The only other common option for bells is silver plating, but I don't have a second plating bath at present.
@@thronessmusic that's awesome man. I've played drums my whole life and I thought after I commented, about various cymbals and materials. Keep up the cool work dude, can't wait to watch some more of your stuff !!
The original lacquer was in terrible condition, so it needed to be stripped off, and I decided to put a thick layer of copper on top in order to make the tone warm.
Had an old Bach 52b that had the laquer removed by one the previous owners. The metal was sooo thin at the bell you could run a fingernail on one side and see the impression coming through the other. That horn had such a light, ethereal sound but still warm at max volume. I love how every instrument has a personality. Thank you for keeping bones in good shape!
@@pauletheridge2412 I have come across a few bells that match that description! Thanks for sharing! ,🎶
I’ve always liked the sound of the trombone and the vibe it brings to music. But the way you described that instrument makes me wanna deep dive trombone intricacies. Becoming knowledgeable about another instrument I don’t play.
was there some type of sound restoration or visual I think it looks a bit worse
@@ariboni73 thanks for the comment. Some people really seem to like it (over one million people now) and a few certainly don't, but it's all up to what one's taste is. The previous lacquer on the bell was in awful shape, so that was removed along with all of the remaining dents and copper was plated on top. The sound is now much warmer as a result, but again, as is the case in the arts, whether this is 'better' or 'restored' is all chalked up to one's preference.
Italiano
What a beautiful instrument of the classics. I have my great grandpa's 100 year old Trombone from the 1920s.
Very cool. Thanks for sharing!
Im a flute player but im switching to trombone and i love how the instrument and how it sounds. I can't wait to play it.
Awesome mate!
You won’t regret the switch, my friend.
That was my grandpa profession here in western Ukraine!!!! Awesome reminiscing. He made the same but in older way. Amazing!
So cool! Thanks for sharing
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How’s the war going, r u alright
@ActuallyRidiculous doing my best to help
@@DimitriyQ7 oh I wish you safety and good luck, I hope u and ur family do well
Thank you so much for making this content it just came up on my feed for the first time! I was a musical instrument repair tech back in early 2000 and i loved every minute of it.
Fantastic, thanks so much for your comment! More videos to come 😊
O9 p k72
❤❤❤ممنونم باشکوه مرد هنرمند پنجه طلا ممنونم❤❤❤
So why did you stop doing it?
@@tarogatothepotatocat2179 Next one is on the way!
I was so confused because I was looking for trombones on Facebook marketplace and then saw the same trombone on shorts
@@OscarYing-z9i small world!
One thing I would say is never buy them on Facebook or Amazon
@@Taco_aviation Most especially the latter! Facebook can be good if you know what you're looking for.
I have an old Getzen trumpet that I'd love to get restored. Thanks for sharing this!
Absolutely! Getzen makes great trumpets :)
All of these restoration videos are so satisfying to watch. ❤
Much appreciated 😊
Meanwhile my dad told me id never amount to anything if I just kept sitting around polishing my horn all day.
he kinda is right tho
I worked at S.E. Shires Trombones finaling valve sections for around 8 years. I worked in the valve section department and made the rotory, Thayer and Tru--bore valves and levers work. What a gig. It wrecked my hand and the place had fumes that affected me big time, but it was fun. Glad it ended when it did. I miss a few people from there including Steve Shires.
@@dbfcrell8300 very neat - thanks for sharing.
Had a 1958 88h that was once turned into a lamp, the side was needed to be realigned, the whole thing needed to be stripped and many dents to be removed, and the F section needed reworking. Had the F opened up to .580, aside from the elbows into the valve, the slide did need to be replated but I skipped on that bc the realignment did wonders as it was, and the bell, had one don’t right near the top joint, which we left. But with all the old gunk and laquer removed, you could see and feel every tooling mark from when it was made, and it felt like if you sneezed near it you’d dent it. It of course was tougher than that but oh boy do I ever regret selling that horn every day. I was so responsive, warm but still bright, the f attachment barely felt any different from the standard loop and my favorite part of that horn was the “false” first position. If you know you know. That horn made me such a better player and still have me room to grow. Playing it was sex for me, it just inspired me to practice more and play better. It had no place in any of my other gigs but in a classical and symphonic setting it was absolute bliss. Power and finesse, you could feel each note you played. I eventually opted to have single thin as he could get it coat of laquer on the bell but it held that patina sooo well.
pretty Kool, great job, for the LOVE OF
MUSIC.
Indeed! 🎶
Saudades de voce Papai 😢ele tocava trombone dae vem minha paixao por musica e instrumentos músicais!🫂🇧🇷🇧🇷😍
Blessings 🙏🏻🎶🎵🎼
Proud owner of a Getzen trombone, nice seeing them treated to some loving restoration
@@SluggsMcDuggs I love the craft and love to see instruments done right!
Absolutely beautiful horn! I want this done to my tuba
A great idea! I've copper plated all the tuning slides on my tuba - gives it a really neat look and a bit of a softer tone.
Why not the whole thing? It looks a bit strange being so contrasted.
Beautiful. I Believe my trombone was a king and it had the button to let me get the low f note without moving the slide
Awesome, gotta love having an F-Trigger.
@@thronessmusic yes sir
You are doing the best and blessed work.Could you please put ( notify ) full address of the master. Many thanks 🙏.
Much appreciated! You can reach me via email here: thronessmusic @gmail.com
Thanks. Lovely work. God bless you. Bill. Uk
Thanks Bill!
W job man thanks for keeping it nice
Comparte tu modo de restaurar los instrumentos gracias 🙏
Oooof that sounds so good
For anyone whos wondering, the background music is "Biscuit" by LuKremBo.
QUE HERMOSA PROFECION...FELICITACIONES !!!🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Thanks mate! Love the enthusiasm haha
You should make long form videos of these
Great suggestion! Ya, there is a lot more that goes into these videos than what makes it into the final cut
love the bell!!
@@e0oh thanks mate! 🎶
Beautiful Work
@@VintageJunker thanks mate!
God damn, that was a rusty trombone!
@@Guillotines_For_Globalists wasn't rust my friend; that's copper
@@thronessmusic Oh.
Iron and Steel rusts, other metals may corrode.
Very nice👍 🙏
This seems like an awesome job to have.
@@Drumlinneee certainly is 😊
Крайняя "ДО"была великолепна 👍
Thanks mate!
El es el hombre que necesita el sistema.ese hombre no llora ni se deprime por pavadas.es un trabajo sencillo
Thank you for not calling it a tuba
He knows how to play it, so I assume he knows it's not a tuba. But the next youtuber will probably steal this video and overdub it with something like "this guy is a GENIUS. He repairs the old rusty TUBA with Dangerous Electric Forcefield"
@@londonalicanteyeah lol😂
So cool
Thanks mate 😊
I kinda want to learn trombone cuz I play euphonium so it should be fun and easy but trombones are so expensive
Go for it! Try to find a good used yamaha/bach/conn/getzen student trombone - there are lots out there for reasonable prices! Just whatever you do, don't buy one from amazon :)
@ alr thanks I really hope I can find one that isn’t terrible
Now that's a rusty trombone!😅
@@noahharding2488 she ain't rust my friend - that's copper
Now it'll be taken care of for sure
What is that green solution you dipped the bell in to remove the lacquer?
Just some light acid! The lacquer was in such bad shape that it began to lift off within minutes in the bath
Muitooooo bom trabalho amei
thanks mate!
Nice
Beautiful makes me miss my king
@@johnweaver9378 what model did you have?
@@thronessmusic 606 I played it in elementary to high school
@@johnweaver9378 great horns, even the student models
Total craftsman
Thanks mate! Love what I do.
Is that trumpet 🎉🎉🎉
This is a trombone!
Super
Thanks Krystian!
It's about music
Yes! Yes! 🙌🏽
@@thirdearthsurf thanks mate 😊
HONESTAMENTE, EU NÃO GOSTEI. PREFERIA O ORIGINAL. TODO DOURADO E LAQUEADO.
@@samuellopes5725 everyone is allowed to have their preference! :)
I wonder, how different would the sound be if you painted it? Like one of the restoration videos where they use that powder coating.
Great question! Paint coatings aren't typically used on brass instruments (with some rare exceptions) because they usually deaden the sound. The closest thing I can think of is gold-tinted lacquer that you find on a lot of vintage instruments.
Cool
Thanks mate
Hello, just seen this video, do you have a shop and where are you located?
Yep! In Surrey BC, canada
Rusty trombone... Sure I've heard that for something else 🤔
This felt like a war crime at the start
I believe i have the same Getzen horn, ive done some research, but couldnt find it. Do you know what model this is?
@AidanLynard 747 eterna!
Hey I have a Getzen trombone! Looks about the same 😂
@@calanspens6148 haha, love it 😂
The sound change without the laquer?
@@warleyedgar1717 certainly! Both the absence of the lacquer and the addition of copper make for a much softer sound.
Can you tell me what type of product you use tò remove the old laqueor?
This was just diluted phosphoric acid. Typically you would want to use a lacquer stripper, just the coating was in such bad shape that it just fell off with a short plunge in the bath.
La soldadura es con estaño o con plomo?
Both, it's a mix of 60/40 I believe, which is fairly common.
@@thronessmusic Thank you!
@JosAugust np! 😀
Quero fazer manutenção no meu trompete... Como faço contato?
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Fantastic 🎉
Thanks Joseph 😊
What do You use for welding?
Just regular 60/40 soft solder on those large braces.
Tromboner👍
@@tummytub1161 *trombonist 😉
I translated to english and it became "tametheboner"
If I hear another person say tromboner ima crash out
What happens in the tank conected to electricity?
@@magnusklahr8190 that's where the electroplating takes place: the dissolved copper that is present in the solution gets drawn to the subject (the bell), forming microscopic crystals on the surface which eventually become thick layers.
Hola buenas noches como estás mi gente 👋🙌🤚 hermosa 😘💝😊
What liquid did you use to strip the lacquer?
@@thomaskeegan5584 just some diluted phosphoric acid! Normally that wouldn't do the trick, but the lacquer was so weak+worn that that's all it took.
@thronessmusic what would you recommend for something more intact? like old king lacquer which so far has fought everything I have tried.
@@thomaskeegan5584 try the Z22 lacquer stripper available at Ferree's tools online. If that still doesn't work, etch the lacquer with some 600grit sand paper and reapply.
Ok why did this hurt my soul so much? I know that you were fixing it but at the beginning it looked like straight up abus€.
If you'd like a few quick soldering tips on how to minimize a half of your cleanup please let me know
The soldering technique in this video is fairly standard: one entry point, and draw the solder all the way round the brace. It's not possible to pre-fill the brace with solder before installation b/c one typically ends up with too much or too little after the pressure gives and the solder melts, and so there's really no way around cleaning that one lip of solder on each joint. But would love to hear how you approach it! Such a fun and delicate craft.
Bro, at the bottom, bro, to blow and move it, there is a line. I have followed, liked and subscribed.
Thanks mate!
This is great. I make custom copper and brass kerosene lamps, is there any coating you know of to keep the shine? I have shellac, polyurethane, and urethane. Never tried any yet becauae I dont want to mess the lamps up
@@JohnSmith-il4wi thanks for the comment! Super neat. The patena on this horn was intentional, but if I wanted to keep the shine I would apply clear lacquer.
What are you using for lacquer stripper? That’s not ferrees is it?
@@LetsRestoreIt No it's not! The lacquer on this horn was in such bad shape that all it needed was a little time in the acid bath. I do use Ferrees' clear lacquer though, great stuff.
@@thronessmusic very cool!
Som do "bombardino" ! 🎉🎉
Asi les hice a los platillos de mi batería y suenan horrible 😢....los tendré qe remplazar😢
Respect
Nombre. Que. Desperdicio de trombón. Para que le quitas el brillo? Que el brillo le mejora el sonido jajJjJjJ
Hi we need someone who can fix the brass instruments in Capetown
That's quite a distance away!
Quanto vc cobra pra fazer isso em um trombone de pisto
Feel free to shoot me an email to inquire: thronessmusic@gmail.com
¿No quedó descolorido la última parte?
How do you get the buzz out?
Not sure what you mean!
que hermosa profecion..🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Да не надо было чистить.На металлоприемке цена одинаковая за цветмет😂😂😂😂
Looked better before
@@Amadán_dubh although I couldn't fit in a clip of what the lacquer looked like before, I can assure you that it is much better now, even if you're not a fan of the patena 🙂
Огонь, вода и медные трубы.
Why not polish thr horn?
Did removing the lacquer on the bell change the tone?
@@FarkyDave it wasn't so much the lacquer removal as it was the addition of the copper that made all the difference. The horn's tone is so much more warm and rich now!
@@thronessmusic How much copper by weight?
@@wombatillo the plating is very thick at about 8thou, so maybe a few hundred grams? I'll weigh in the next bell I do to see. I use copper from piano bass strings , so the material moves from one instrument to another!
素晴らしものだらけ❤😅🎉
Fantástico
Thank u!
❤❤👍👍👌👌
Que soldaduras se usan?
Standard 60/40
It would be better if you did a before and after sound next time
@@thenicholashernandez totally agree. The one-minute limitation for shorts forced me to get rid of that material. 🎶
How much do you charge ?
Feel free to shoot me an email to inquire (contact info available on channel page)
I know nothing about trombones, but to me it looks worse after "restoring".
Чем тут все восхищаются? С какой целью испортили внешний вид инструмента?
Тот случай когда не сломано не чини
Brasil vc e dmais
So knowing nothing about horns, are you removing the stock material and replating it for looks or are you changing the tone?
Have you experimented eith other metals besides copper from the looks of things?
@@thedude7726 great questions! Only a couple thousandths of the original brass material is removed in order to plate copper on top (what you see coming off in the video is the lacquer). The addition of copper creates a warmer tone, and it just happens to also be aesthetically pleasing.
The only other common option for bells is silver plating, but I don't have a second plating bath at present.
@@thronessmusic that's awesome man. I've played drums my whole life and I thought after I commented, about various cymbals and materials.
Keep up the cool work dude, can't wait to watch some more of your stuff !!
@@thedude7726 cheers! 🎶
Keep the brass. The blueish copper looks bad.
@@hankbeltram5924 it's all a matter of taste of course; some people like it, some don't.
Who cannot be now?
no
@@Steamlinerr yes
@@thronessmusic yes
WHY ?
@@tomassylt the lacquer was in terrible condition, and so the options were to go for a raw brass or for copper bell - I chose the latter!
To hit those brown notes.
Porque se hace esto?
The original lacquer was in terrible condition, so it needed to be stripped off, and I decided to put a thick layer of copper on top in order to make the tone warm.
looks like played video backwards!