You could see it in the art. Go back and read shibuya and compare it to the final shinjuku art. The art was amazing in shibuya. It was very dirty and gritty but clearly detailed and time went into it. In shinjuku the consistency of the art fell off hard. Far far less shading and detailed art. We only got decent art in the double spreads which were thankfully still very good.
Nobara's return felt forced, purely for plot convenience. Her condition was left in the air for over 100 chapters, with no foreshadowing of her comeback. Then, outta nowhere, she wakes up just in time to help yuji deliver the final blow to sukuna. TWO PACK OF ASS (Good video btw)
i mean, nobara surviving at all was pretty much foreshadowing gege coulda popped her entire head, but she was kept in stasis instead of COURSE she was gonna come back
Agreed. I cannot even like it. Without explaining how Nobara's doing, how she even survived Ilde transfiguration and re-introduced at chapter 267, the revelation is just so disappointing Honestly would've been better if she had just stayed dead
I think gege is really good at writing characters with aura and potential, honestly is should be studied because it carried him throughout this entire series, even thou a character is shallow and poorly written you just enjoy watching them fuck shit up. But with the horrible execution of gojos death it snapped me out of the denial that gege is a good wtiter, dude is good at writing fights, shock moments and fun characters and that's it.
He was good at writing fights until Gojo’s death. The Sukuna cycle afterwards was so terrible and Sukuna got so lucky, it was so overbearing that I just stopped reading until it was over. I just watched leaks.
@@TownBwoy FR after plotgel/plotna's fraudulent plot device blast didn't work when it was literally supposed to be the counter I knew he was just throwing stuff around I didn't take anything after serious
Gojo wasn't even written well is the craziest part!!!!! It's the anime curse where a character shows out and people attach themselves to them with almost no character depth for that character.
Not gonna lie, I was defending Gege saying: "let him cook, it's just weekly reading experience, let the story conclude" and oh boy it has indeed concluded. The level of disappointment, missed opportunities is compared to Game of thrones season 8 (aka the worst season in tv history that destroyed the brand and forever prevented people from re-watching). It's clear gege wanted to end the story as quick as possible, I don't know whether Shonen Jump forced him to end on a specific date (like it did with Bleach, remember it's business after all, deadlines, contracts etc. and other series are about to take the missing spot). Something must have happened during the last one month break, the pacing was absolutely bonkers: one fight, another fight, let's go, we don't have time, timeskip, the end lol ;) The writing in the last stretch of the chapters was kindergarten level. Omg culling games, 10 gigantic barriers, Yorozu added a rule that allows to exit colonies and the players maybe will kill civilians for points, lol nope it's irrelevant, we got Gojo back, one month preparation, how are you feeling Gojo.... nope, time skip let's fight, Omg Kenjaku the "mastermind" the merger, the theme "optimizing cursed energy or eliminating cursed energy" my plan will continue lol nope: Kenjaku's dead, got one-shotted after comedy sketch, Omg the USA is capturing sorcerers there will be conflict lol nope: in the 270 "we're gonna rescue kidnapped people by USA", Omg Nobara's back after missing for more than half of the story, how are you feeling Noba.... lol nope, not a single panel, time skip, Omg culling game is still on 10 barriers, will Tengen barriers fall? It means the curses will spread all over the world what are we going to do lol nope: Gakuganji "don't worry, you're still young" and creme de la creme: yuta in gojo's body, what will happen after 5 minutes? kenjaku's technique burned out after domain clash, what will happen? we killed Sukuna, 3 pages "I'm you" let's go, there's no time, we're doing time skip, "we need to save Yuta", lol Yuta is alive and better than ever "somehow through my connection with Rika my consciousness was able to come back to my body, by the way Rika used reversed cursed technique to maintain my body" and Kusakabe "Lol, Kenjaku probably was using some kind of barrier techniques in his brain", "peak writing" reminds me of "somehow palpatine returned", Why the f*ck you introduced these all concepts, make big deal of Kenjaku's ability just to resolve it in a stupid "we're gotta handle this" and "everything turned out ok" What was a point of yuta in gojo's body? btw, the more I look back the more I'm noticing the characters and their abilities are just introduced in the last moment to resolve the plot problems (and don't remind me of binding vow, which became dogsh*t plot conveniences). Gojo's inside the prison realm, don't worry Tengen happen to have "the back of prison realm" how convenient, the person who Megumi saved has the ablility to release Gojo, and she's a friend because we got 2 pages of her backstory, how convenient. Kenjaku has anti-gravity technique which saves him from Yuki's black hole, how convenient. Ui Ui has the ability to teleport but he can even teleport souls, twice a month so we can explain our power-ups (why specifically twice? We don't even have the explanation of his technique, he only says lol I can switch "content within containers") how convenient. Sukuna's "improptu binding vows" were able to recover his domain in full power but the "drawback" is he can maintain it for"only" 99 seconds, how convenient, yeah truly the drawback of all times. Nobara happens to be absent for half of the story just to strike sukuna's finger at the right time, how convenient. Todo's absent for half of the story just to come back at perfect moment, how convenient, even his binding vows make his boogie-woogie actually stronger, and I can go on and on. If there is no continuation I give the story weak 7/10. And the Kenjaku's plan/merger was the friends we made along the way.
honestly what ticked me off the most with the series is just how inconsequential Megumi's inclusion was in a majority of the series. for a character who was advertised to be apart of the main trio, hes very rarely not standing on the sidelines of the story
You can call me Gojo-glazers but I would say 80-90% of JJK's popularity contributed by Gojo. you can see that in jump's popularity poll. I think Gege hated the fact that he himself created a character that is larger than the combined of Itadori, Sukuna, JJK story & he himself. The way he kills off Gojo as a character speak for itself.
Gojo glazer or not, nobody can't say that Gojo isn't the center of JJK. Like on a international scale, Gojo is the most popular character. Gege hating him is his own fault because he wrote him too OP to actually use in the story. lol jokes on him because Gojo is still the best developed character in the series and outclasses Yuji as MC
Nah 5/10 is perfectly fine. The fight scenes are great but the writing is so sub-pair and mid that JJK belongs into the "eh" anime category. For me it's one of those shoes that had an awesome first season and then just throws it all away for the sake of subversions that are not just poorly written but just not thought out to begin with. The character set up works well before the Shibuya Arch but after it it just falls off HARD.
@@Khann_2102 true. The fights are what got me into the series to begin with. I'm late enough to have missed the hype around Gojo which was good since I had to drop the show after Shibuya. I read the Manga at a friend's house and I like some stuff they did with the ending but ultimately this show turned out as a worse version of chainsaw man. That show brings both good writing as well as good fights into one package
There’s a reason why almost nobody dies in One Piece. It’s because when someone does die, it has a ripple effect across the entire story. Oda allows death to bear real weight, Gege just likes cheap shock value
Oda also likes cheap shock value, what with its 5 million fakeouts. Death should have real weight, and it doesn't in JJK, but it has even less weight in OP. It's a complete joke no one can take seriously the couple times that it (maybe) does happen. At least Gege seems to be an alright person, not like Oda
@@natalimoina Oh no doubt there are plenty of fakeouts in One Piece but I’m talking about the real deaths here. We know for a fact that Ace and Whitebeard are not coming back. To this day their deaths have an effect on the story. That’s what I mean. In JJK plenty of people actually do die but that has the opposite effect in the audience. The death of Gojo had nearly zero effect on the story. The characters bring it up maybe once. With OP we’re so used to the fakeouts that when someone does actually die we really feel that shit.
I think Gege and Oda are the two extremes of the issue. I think Araki in JoJo's has a healthier approach to characters getting killed without going overboard with it.
@@DCYTB death does not have real weight in one piece cuz no one dies. not once have I ever worried for the life of the strawhats.. however, I think the story itself has weight beyond death.
all the problems of the show come from being rushed. It should have been season 1, 3 more seasons where yuji gets to like 7-8 fingers and gets stronger, a longer hidden inventory arc with more development, somehow fit the choso brohter thing into season 3-4, then shibuya, then do culling games but write it better, and in the culling games let yuji learn everything except for domain expasion and RCT, then a slightly longer time gap with more detail, then yeah, gojo vs sukuna with no exposition, then sukuna final boss fight, but everyone is more developed, the fight is less rushed, and less asspulls
Yes but let’s be honest jjk rushed to get back to fights almost like gege is scared of righting character relationships and interactions. This is also why it was always trending some big fight or shock was in every chapter.
Remember Yaga's death? What was the point of him telling Gakuganji how to make cursed corpses if it didn't matter in the final battle? Remember Megumi's incomplete domain? A missed opportunity for Sukuna to show us Megumi's completed domain. My greatest gripe of all is Hakari VS Uraume. That fight could've been an amazing viceral fight. An immortal trying to over come the Ice demon that is Uraume with just his regeneration and his fists. Instead we gett an off-screen fight. Don't get me wrong JJK is fire Gege cooked with this manga. I just can't help but feel like getting blue balled for consecutive days.
gege´s bias against gojo was extremely obvious, with him stating it multiple times. and i don't really get it..HE made the character and his ability's , then he got annoyed that the character is too strong? can someone tell me how that makes sense? i never created anything character wise. please tell me how that makes sense, im genuinely curious how that is possible when he knew what gojo can do.
Well, I made a rapist pedophile antagonist for my original work, but he ended up the most popular character getting the most comments because he was at least charismatic and funny. I didn't want this character to be popular I wanted him to get hate. This made me frustrated and made me doubt my writing abilities and how I portrayed characters. Maybe Gege felt the same?
@@desk_fan_chan He was also implied to be a womanizer and that he didn't care about much people. I think Gege wanted to portray him as more negative and failed because he sucks at writing lol. Like he should have just created a new character who is a hate sink, Gojo was too popular for it to work.
@@mittag983Kenjaku is a rapist and got more respect from Gege than Gojo. It doesn’t make sense unless he’s based off the guy who stole his past gf or something.
Tbh the only reason people glazing a 5/10 like JJK is cause its newgen contemporaries rarely are anything better than a 3/10. When the big 3 dominated shonen jump, the competition they were stomping out was incredibly fierce heavy hitting s tier works like D Gray Man, Gintama, Toriko and Death Note just to name a few. When the competition is all grime and muck, rhinestones shine like diamonds.
But let's be honest, the BIG 3 really aren't more than 5/10's either. Sure they're iconic, we loved them as kids, but they aren't top quality writing. Naruto's entire plot contradicts its themes in so many god awful ways. I think bleach thematically is very good, so are its characters. But much like JJK, got flack for its last arc heavily. One Piece is very formulaic and post timeskip, especially with the awful wano arc, you can see the flaws in one piece more prominent. Realistically there's very few shonen that break 5/10, like hunter x hunter being one of the few.
This is why filler exists because some mangas never fill their own story enough if they did we wouldn't have it because the story wouldn't need to be "filled"
Yeah, this whole show just suffered from being way too rushed. I feel like we should have had way more story before Shibuya, feels a story event that should have happened way further into the story with the major events that happened, but there is barely even any time to explore the story and its characters before this and then we just watch a bunch of them die and fallout which irreparably damages the world up until now, which would be much more impactful and natural if we had a bunch more character and world building which was very much lacking.
This is why filler exists because some mangas never fill their own story enough if they did we wouldn't have it because the story wouldn't need to be "filled"
I felt like this with Hidden Inventory We only had 4 episodes, as stated in the name of the 4 episodes The entire of Geto’s descent was so rushed, and the entire time I was just flabbergasted at how they made him a mass murderer in like 3 minutes Same with his relationship with Gojo, I like their story and you can tell they were close friends, but so many people glazed it like it was the best friendship ever when we barely saw them interact Same with Riko, putting that sad backstory of "I’ve always been different" like 30 seconds from getting shot just felt so cheap.
@@montserratmarroquin400 RIGHT like gege throws us crumbs but then takes the bag away after and the anime having no filler only helps show how much development the story was lacking because having that underdeveloped stuff in a 20 minute timeframe for each episode it was probably hard for them having no way to genuinely space it out and while there's is no filler they had no choice at certain times like the mahoraga fight or sukuna vs jogo
@@yanim8s350 Filler is something that JJK certainly lacks, so many people praise it for not having that because it’s a "battle shonen" (cough ass excuse) We never get an episode where Gojo, Yuji, Megumi, and Nobara hang out and actually interact Same with HI, Gojo, Geto, Shoko, Nanami and Haibara were friends but we never saw them interact once Also forgot to mention that Haibara just exists to satisfy Gege’s bloodlust We saw bro for 5 scenes and then he died 💀😭🙏🙏.
@montserratmarroquin400 RIGHT 😭😭 it literally feels like aggrestukos last season it feels kinda half baked because any characters we get attached to die 3 EPISODES LATER 😭🙏
About the Nobara thing and the entire concept of chekhov's gun, there was in point in introducing Arata if Gege didn't plan for her comeback, especially with the way the story played out. Gege left the chekhov's gun dragged out for way too long it wouldn't make sense to not give any explicit mentions of her status for over 100 chapters if the outcome is that she's really dead. Besides Gege had a very obvious pattern with the way her writes other characters deaths: they're all spelled out in crayon, so the natural conclusion to how Nobara's status was handled is that she's actually alive. If Nobara was meant to be dead then there's no purpose in conviently introducing a character with a CT that halts injuries right at a moment when everyone thought she will die. And the "But Arata could've just said that to give Yuji hope" is just a lame excuse to cover for Gege back there because Todo literally fullfilled that purpose, he also mentions in an interview post shibuya that Arata could do something about her condition and that he will surely do his best. That alot of tiptoeing for a character that was 100% gonna die!!! And let's say the whole Arata thing was indeed only to give Yuji hope to keep fighting , we could've seen his inner thoughts about it, or show a scene post shibuya where he delivers the news and Yuji actually acknowledges Nobara's death properly and the rest of the series actually shows the weight of her death, but what we actually got is that the impact of her supossed death had the energy of a wet fart, no one actually talks about her, that now how you treat a main character. So yeah the natural conclusion is that she's indeed alive, the only issue is that it happened too late.
Jjk got tons of issues but this video is mostly just yall passing of your opinions as factual truths about how the series SHOULD have gone, and not even really trying to defend your points. Again a lot of objective flaws in jjk but a lot of what you said here is like "I would have liked it better if x happened instead of y" also talking about stuff that isnt really objectively problematic and that you just wanted to be different.
I think the point is that MORE should've happened. Wether you agree with how he thinks it should've gone is different from being able to acknowledge this ending is rushed. With how many breaks, poorly drawn chapters, and many other statements from gege that if you deny that you're just lying.
i noticed jjk will be terrible ironically at its best arc. the shibuya incident. why? because jjk was supposed to be a story about slowly discovering more and more of sukuna fingers via multiple battles. but lo and behold yuji suddenly fed like what... 10 fingers at once? shortening and rushing the story.
“was supposed to” is a dumb statement to make. Jjk never promised to be a series about slowly finding the fingers, it’s ok if you wanted it to be like that but that’s not an objective flaw.
It wasn't really supposed to be that, but pretty much the entirety of season 1 was just that it was either side stories or conversations or just trying to eat fingers. Then we go to the Shibuya incident and all the sudden half the characters die. The surviving characters go through depression. We get some complicated storyline about how kenjo is actually the father or mother of itadori And choso It felt like it was all crammed way too much. All of that could have been spread out into like three arcs
This. Easily the biggest missed opportunity of the whole series. That not only would of been interesting to see sorcerer's from around the world but it would also add A whole new Dynamic to the power system and how people use Cursed energy in their respective countries. The American Scientist(Forgot His Name) Gave me A Dr. Abel from Tekken Vibe with how he Gushes over seeing Cursed energy
As far as I'm concerned, Nobara was in a coma until her status was revealed. She never died. Nanami died unambiguously but Nobara didn't. Her flashback and the story just told me she was about to die. And Nita just confirmed she was still suspended in that state. I was definitely a Nobara is alive believer but regardless I'm just pissed she wasn't there for over half of the series. I'd be pissed if she was never confirmed dead. I'd probably still be a little pissed if she wasn't confirmed dead till the end of the series but that or bringing her back earlier would've been my preference. Also notice how Nobara wasn't in Gojo's train station scene. I'm mad about the time skips. Gojo was booted from the story in Shibuya and when we got to see him in the present again we time skipped to his final battle. And that month time skip was fed to us through flashbacks for what felt like no good reason. I thought we were gonna get some interesting unreliable narrator stuff but nah. 25:42 100%. I was ok when we just knew she was chasing a bag but after that scene all I'm thinking is "This predator should be in prison". She's the shit stain in the series like Mineta is for MHA, Yuri is for Spy x Family, Makoto is for Saiki K. 32:00 Also be so fr Toji is still a deadbeat and him caring a tiny a bit about his kid being sold to the clan he hates changes absolutely nothing. I had no qualms with that and that gave him zero brownie points in my eyes. One thing about his character I thought was interesting was that he was turning his life around when his wife was alive and gave up after she died. I think Kejaku's death was lame. Takaba should've killed him that would've been more interesting lol.
Bro I heavily agree on the Toji part, do people really think him saying a half ass line about Megumi means that he’s a good father? I like Toji, but putting that ass line of "My kid is getting sold, do whatever the fuck you want" to Gojo is good? Homie couldn’t even remember who he was 2 episodes ago 💀.
@@RealistDY No problem, your channel is great for casual Anime fans like me who are not too deep in it. There truly is not really any other channels that approach Anime series like yours. I'm still binging your library. ^^
i honestly had hope in JJK becoming something like a horror-esque series since that’s partially what Gege had intended. season 1 had scary/creepy moments and the concept of something like the shibuya incident is horrifying. a lot of people will either point at Gege or at Shonen Jump and say its their fault but i think it went both ways. SJ kinda shot Gege in the foot by wanting to change his story (and thus fucking up his flow) but then Gege decided to just take the gun and shoot his other leg so he can leave the race
I said this months ago when he killed Gojo and everyone cried while we knew he'd bring him back in some form IF this anime had a mid-2000s Toei budget, it would've NEVER gotten popular, the only reason it is popular is because of the stellar animation, the problem of the story being ass and making no sense doesn't matter when it's high octane visuals the entire time. But you can't live on Prime your entire life without dying of lead poisoning you'll need something more substantial than just the insane levels of chemicals in it to live and JJK never had anything worthwhile in it, we learned this right after Shibuya where the entire premise of the story was lost in the self-sacrifice of Yuji to defeat a real evil. I am laughing at how bad this ending is, there have been car crashes that aren't as abrupt as this.
@@princechi1952 Dragon Ball is still relevant 40 years after it came out. JJK will be forgotten by next year, when the anime finishes it'll be forgotten in a month. It's not "hate" it's disgust for bad storytelling and development.
@@UncensoredScion no it won’t. Your comment will be forgotten🤣 you can not like the ending. Thats totally fine, it was indeed bad. But no one will forget the run jjk made and the records it broke.
@@princechi1952 Yeah I'm a nobody it won't matter what I think. And you know being a nobody and someone who is INCREDIBLY petty, I'm going to bookmark this convo, wait a year and come back, then I'll tell you where JJK is, you'll get the notif and click it wondering what it's all about only to realise "!oh yeah that guy was 100% right and I'm just an asshurt loser who got upset that his spice of the month manga was roasted" Oh and just one final thing., as you're a JJKtard let's hear your top 10 manga that you're reading atm.
I disagree. The story was good until gege fire his editor and started to write Culling games by himself. Plus Gojo is a great character, made by Lucky (probally) but a memorable character. Who become bigger than JJK
I saw a comment that said "JJK glazers would call you dumb for not reading bewteen the lines while they explain the story with their own headcanons" and the more I watch JJK the more I start to wonder how this series was ever called "peak shonen" I think 20% of JJK’s downfall was the glazers well glazing this series soo much and acting like it’s the most tragic deep story ever I remember seeing a bunch of character analysis’s videos on characters like Gojo or Geto and thinking that the characters were deep, only for me to watch the anime and starting to see that all this analysis is just people making shit up, don’t get me wrong they’re good analysis’s but man are they still making shit up The most prominent example is Gojo being "lonely", we never see Gojo being lonely because he’s at the top, we do see that he does think of Geto fondly in JJK 0, but for the majority of the series we see that he enjoys beating curses Same with people saying that Geto was soooo tragic only for him to become a mass murderer after his talk with Yuki which was like 2-3 minutes? It’s worse since I was really interested in how his character was going to get to this point but all I could think about when the village burned was how rushed and ass it was, same with his "friendship" (a little more than friendship) that he had with Gojo, I get they were close friends but we barely saw them interact apart from the basketball scene The KFC breakup was glazed too, personally I was like "oh how sad, man this is disappointing" People can have their headcanons and opinions but when they bring that to explain why the series is so good and revolutionary it just fall flat.
I just want to say…I really liked your video. I also loathed Higuruma’s comeback and Nobara’s return because they now make their “death” scenes meaningless.
The Shibuya Incident was the best arc in all of JJK, after that It was all downhill from there. Gojo was the character that made JJK good, but Gege shitted on him.
ik you not deadass ending wasn’t great but it for sure wasn’t completely bad, shibuya was peak and the sukuna gauntlet had people at the edge of they feet every chapter no type of appreciation
@@merikijiya13 be fr, if you watched the anime every episode of the shibuya arc was a high not one episode missed, and sukuna and gojo was one off the best fights in manga this year, mfs needa recognize greatness
@@egp2497 first of all why are you responding to me? I was responding to the original post commenting that it wasn’t a waste of time. Second just because something is visually hype or stimulating doesn’t mean it narratively makes sense. You could literally take out the fight between Yuji and Megumi vs that old guy and absolutely nothing changes. That’s a low point for me.
@@merikijiya13 pfftt mfs nit picking, that fight showed the significance of Gojos existence and how his birth shook up the jjk world and how bad things might be if he gets sealed and that old lady’s curse tech brought back toji and gave us that dope moment and it also shows how much they grew after shibuya beating they ass, so they were plot relevant and since when every bad guy shown up we gotta give af about them, you don’t know what you talking about
The first mess up was having Gojo exist, a powerful teacher that doesn't care about his job and hates on his elders. The most powerful man in history wins every battle with one shot and then walks off. There's great characters with abilities that could have been interesting like hanami jogo And more these characters could have been great but the second they fight Gojo. They get whooped and made fun of these horribly field characters getting beaten by the same guy that has beat everybody else. Is it just annoying every battle that includes Gojo. Just ends with him destroying whatever sorcerer or curse is attacking him Also going back to earlier I can't find any character interesting that has such a lazily developed plot. He's a teacher at a school that has other schools, but instead of making a character who specs his higher-ups to make it a more interesting rule following character (instead of the same generic rogue who can one shot) they just may get someone who blatantly disrespects everyone and pains. It is cool I feel like I only need to use few words with this take. Why on this planet, Earth would gege make a character like mei mei My comment might get taken down if I say what she actually does. But why on Earth would they animate a scene of her and her own little brother flirting? This shouldn't exist. Who in the right mind even does that and then expects me to like the character. It's gross and shouldn't happen. Why on Earth has everyone just normalized it as a joke? It's weird why would anyone want that animated or in their series? It's not funny, it's just someone's weird fantasy
Well gojo vs sukuna fight without exposition wouldnt be as entertaining or make much sense. And also his death was executed well if we saw gojo with a suprised face we wouldve known he lost it wouldnt be a surprise it would be like he saw the attack and just couldn’t dodge. The fact that he had no reaction just gives more to the “offguard” aspect of WCS
it doesnt have to make sense cause that would almost feel intentional. maybe if it were other characters fighting then sure, but gojo and sukuna are both anomalies of the jjk world. also i said if they wanted to explain it, have enough information for the readers before the fight even happens, that way the readers either A) have a vague amount of understanding to the point where they are able to put in the pieces together without the story having to do exposition dump, or B) have enough information to the point where they will fully understand everything thats going on whatever it is, just dont bloat the fight with too much exposition and do more 'show dont tell'
So I agree with whatever you’re about to say because Gege is a bum and fucked it all up. I only watched to 1:35 and here’s what I will say (I not watching a hour of this btw) Jujutsu Kaisen was promising in the beginning the show all the way up until was showing signs of greatness however Gege fucked it up by writing off his most important character and doing this battle royale thing where he makes everyone fight for 100 chapters until plot actually happens and then he does the plot twist that leads to the most disappointing endings ever in manga. So I think Jujutsu Kaisen showed potential to be genre defining but Gege was a bih about everything and screwed everything up and fired all his editors trying to write a good story for yes men background artists.
Yo I really like your view on the manga bro, just wanna ask for mangas recommendation that actually have good writing (character development & world building). thankssss
Character engagements and pacing were its two biggest flaws. That never changed but getting in through the anime I was hoping it pay off, it did not. Im sure the anime will 100% fix this to the best of their capabilities with what they are given as they have been doing. Anyway I thing the video is being unfair, like it was waiting for jjk downfall, like it was never liked.
I agree with everything you said except the part with Nobara. Yes Gege did say that she's dead. Well not really i remember him saying that she's "in a bad place right now." Specifically. But even if its true that he said that she was dead that does not confirm anything. Why? Because why would the aurthor of the story just say, "oh yeah she's alive." Potentially spoiling the manga for her eventual return and getting rid of the shock factor he wants people to have? You never turst mangakas when they say these type of stuff about future events like character deaths because you dont know if they're lying not. Even so he let her go out of the manga and made sure people thought she was gone because he also wanted that shock factor for when she did come back (even though i do think the writing there was bad because why bring her back at the like LAST chapters??) He legit did that with every character, throwing everyone in the ring againts Sukuna.
Even if you personally liked the return of Nobara it doesn't change like fact that her coming back was one of the biggest plot devices in jjk. Not only did she wake up at the prefect moment before sukuna activated his own domain. But inflicted so much damaged that sukuna couldn't recover from, allow Yuji to hit one more black flash. It's too convenient writing. Gege wanted to end the series quickly.
@@lil_maho No i completely agree with you on that point. she should've died because showing her at the end just to fuck with sukuna WAS gege trying to finish it as quickly as possible and of course add it as a shock factor. The only thing i really wanted to clear up was the fact that no, just beacuse the author said the character is dead, doesn't mean we should trust them on that front because look at what happend.
gojos isolation was literally always shown. he was born into the gojo clan where he was hunted since birth by assassins, separated from his parents, never had any meaningful connections with his family, placed on a pedestal, which resulted in his lack of emotional intelligence and moral compass. which he then relied on geto to become his moral compass. he was then shown what its like to behave his age and that childish persona stuck with him through his adult years. then geto leaves him and he has no one around him that understands him as a person anymore. he develops even more of a lack of identity because of how others view him. there are tons of themes intertwined with his strength like failure, dehumanization and as i just mentioned, isolation and identity crisis. these are all demonstrated throughout the story. also i dont know why you expect gojo to just suddenly despise geto despite everything he did for him.
isolation doesnt automatically mean loneliness. u can be alone but still not feel lonely. an anime that does a much better job at displaying the loneliness from being too strong is one punch man
JJK reddit honestly glazes Gege super hard for all the inconsistent bs writing he does. JJK is lightning in a bottle. Its too good to be true and it is because that mofo can't even manage his characters arcs properly. Anime only fans have no idea the amount of disappointment that's coming lol. Loose ends plot holes stupid deaths. MAPPA has got alot on their hands to make something out of garbage
Ok Nobara , the issue isnt that she is back to life, which, yeah she is given a death scene and without any other sign , well narratively dead. And bringing dead in the story back at least should have a price. Its terrible writing because he could have used, she was too far gone, and we made her a cursed doll, part cursed dull, some price? Seriously that could have ddone nothing with the dursed doll storyline if they thought they needed her technique and made her part cursed doll. Which he could have done or some cursed bit thats dark. If she is brought back with some dark consequences or, make her part cursed doll frankensteined? Its the same why the people who straight up died in the last battle should have been at least mostly dead, it breaks the bit thats actually fun in the story, the edgy, you cant be edgy as hell and then just brin the dad back without consequences. That makes the end so bizarre, it undoes what the last bit has in engagement, the edgy rampage thats something , should have the dead , stay dead, if the were and part cursed doll nobara thats aproviate dark for an edgy, ok at the end all it had was the edgy and he did break that too? And yeah the comedy fight was really good fleshing out the characters. The comedian and kenjaku explored as kinda bored mad scientist troll is really good, and them bonding is actually earned. Too bad kenjaku gets killed lackluster, but the comedy fight is amazing. And agree if you add flashbacks before deaths, that makes it hard to invest if you , ok akame ga kill is selfaware and fun enough to not to have be taken too serious but JJK needed character explored before that there. Akame ga kill is fine wit htropey because, honestly ir is fun camp. JJK wants to be taken serious. And i like the lawyer, but he should be ded which would fit with his he wants to atone character arc, and that gege is very edgy. And would fit.
Watched the anime season 1 two years ago, after the hype and thought it was pretty basic shounen. The concept are actually something i would enjoy but the execution was bad. Watch youtube videos hyping it up, how gege subverts expectations and troupes. One of the example is how nobara could handle herself and how well written the female characters were. As a female i value female representation in shounen. But what jjk did was like what should be the standard for female characters, they werent really special, especially after we know how all these female character were treated and sidelined in the manga. Bleach handled it way better. Watched season 2 when it released because i got spoiled each week and i loved the opening and liked gojo and the season 2 was so good that i started to read the manga. The whole time i thought "when will it finally get good?" Thought the aspect with american soldiers would be intresting but it went nowhere. I waited for the explanation about all the clans people talked about online only to find out "hey actually nobody knows anything about the clans and just deducting things from the breadcrums we are being feed." And before i knew the battle was over that was the final battle, manga is ending in 5 chapters and almost everyone is resurected for no reason, and vcharacters do almost not reflect on what happened makin it all lacking consequneces. Therefore the world building was terrible. Gege should develop concepts and fights and let the drawings and story hanle by someone else until he is skilled enough. For all the s*** and redcons naruto had, atleast we knew how the world somehow functioned and were shown it. While JJK talks about the world without showing it.
Excuses are done my guy. There is no future where any of this can be fixed and thus there is nothing we can asume in good or bad faith. We have the whole thing niw and the issues are there for everyone to see.
I'll give it a 7 not perfect but a very enjoyable series with characters i like and enjoy. I would rate it higher if it wss longer and we spent longer with the characters but for what it was it was a good experience. I will never agree with the take jjk is trash or bad I'll say that
@@RealistDY you made a 1 hour video on a series you watched every week for years and call it below mid? what do you do for shows your like? give your body to the writers as a plaything?
I liked JJK as a whole. A solid 7/10 for me. Had it been more fleshed out maybe I would rank it higher, but this is somewhat acceptable. A few gripes I have with this are Kugisaki’s return (extremely poor writing choice, Akutami-sensei…come on!) and the lack of fleshing out the Culling Game. Had these two issues been taken care of then I would rank this as a 9/10. This manga wasn’t extremely trash. It was just extremely underwhelming. This was okay. But let’s hope Akutami-sensei does better, hey?
36:53 angel could have rejected the sorcers because in her past life all she was seen as was a tool to be used so when new sorcers come to use her as a tool once more she could have had inner conflict with hana due to her live for megumi
44:56 Genuinely when I say this, readers view this shit in the dumbest way. This shit is not about what Maki, Yuta, Kusakabe, Nobara, fucking Ui Ui, or Miguel think, its about the moral beacon and immoral beacon connecting. Yuji speaking to Sukuna and trying to get him to connect is Sukuna's entire thing, he's never tried connecting with someone and he's never wanted to because of how he was treated in his life early on. You can say you don't like the theme of empathy and connecting with another's humanity, but you can't say its mid or written badly. It's consistently portrayed in the right way and its given enough emotional exploration to be a solid example of the theme written.
2.68/10. No, it is not QUITE .69, because this stupid series is a TEASE in the worst kind of way. Written by a disgruntled millennial that has grown up on too many video games. I should know - I, too, am a diagruntled millennial that has grown up on too many video games. More than once, you can see the moments a stupid decision was made, or when they realised 'shit, we fucked up, plop a post-factum explanation page in next chapter', when they didn't give a sshit abiut setup (Sukuna's fire attack being explained first page of the chapter by the narrator), or when they were straight-up trolling (final two chapters). There is no 'story' - it just consisted of TikTok-ready moments (you can practically hear the bassy phonk track in the background and feel your eyes do the blurry-shaky-slowmo-transition) glued together by paaaaragraphs and paaaaaragraphs of contrived explanations that hope to either bash you over the head with so many words that you hopefully give up, or hope to make you feel smart and superior if you do manage to read it all. Case in point - Hakari's three-page chart if how his stupid domain works... HE CHEATS! THAT'S THE POINT. Speaking of which, the power system is ass - it was showing as early as Gojo v Jogo. The Domain Expansion, a power-up that makes you attack hit for certain (some big deal that turned out to be - I don't think a single character of any importance died to a domain), and a guy who LITERALLY CANN'T BE HIT BY ANYTHING. Some doozy those would be to write. Either you break everything and go full stupid, or you find ways to make them inconsequential. Obviously, it was the latter, considering at the end Sukuna managed to barely kill anyone - the aforementioned 'untouchable' guy with the most ass-pulliest of ass-pull attacks, that stopped being relevant after its first use, because against anyone other than Gojo it's just a regular-ass slash - and that flatbread Choso. By the way, our OC completely brainwashed and indentured two people into being eternally devoted to him to the level of being ready to give their lives for him at any point. Whatever happened there, I wonder... Also, I would like to bring to your attention to the fact that Gojo can, apparently, shrink people. Oh, and that stupid 'back door to the Prison Realm in the Marianas Trench' bit. That was dumb as shit. Oh, but 'It's just a battle manga, bro, you are reading too much into it, just turn your brain off, elitist'. Suuure, only Gege and his team, who all obvously barely cared what they were putting out as long as the sales were rolling in, were also INSISTANT on trying to be 'cutting edge' and 'subversive', and 'phylosophical', and 'deep', and 'complex', and 'meticulous'. There are literal (and very forgettable) PAGES UPON PAGES UPON PAGES of characters SITTING AROUND and discussing strategy and motivations. If youre gonna put so much effort into presenting your material in a certain way, then it should also be critiqued on that same merit. Or lack there of. But they were great hitting the right spot - the lowest common denominator. Finally, the characters are barely characters, and, frankly, most of the designs are bland, AND for most characters, they barely changed at all. Nanami taking his jacket off for a little bit was the best we got. Gojo and Geto getting different drip through the timeskip was fine, I guess. Besides that, it was minimal stuff. MC Yuji got NOTHING. Meanwhile, in One Piece, Oda is coming up with new looks for the Strawhats every damn arc. Luffy's got, like, 34 different designs. Ichigo has 15 friggin transformations. Naruto would upgrade his wardrobe everyone once in a while. And that's just the MCs. I'm not saying go full shonen, but how about SOMETHING? Yuji got jack-shit. Just those stupid flesh-gloves, and a scar that makes it look like he's constantly sticking his tongue out on the side. That bland fuck Megumi got fuck-all. Besides the eyepatch, Nobara has been wearing the same uniform since she was introduced and got popped in Shibuya. She probably smells. The side-cast got more care. Stupid brainless Demon Slayer has more flair. But that's just it. Gege and Co. barely gave a fuck and it shows. The manga had a great premise, and it was given zero love by its creators. Glad it's all over.
Thank you bro. So much inconsistent writing. I really did enjoy JJK but mostly because the community was so active and fun. But the writing is legitimately bad.
You definitely missed on Gojo’s character bruh; Gojo’s whole thing is the reshape and change the status quo of the jujutsu world and he needed to foster strong allies so they can be independent when he’s gone, not to fill any void in Gojo for satisfaction 😕really bruh? And yes Gojo felt lonely being the strongest in the hidden inventory arc because Gojo and Geto were considered the strongest so they could relate to each other and what transpired made him the strongest so he didn’t have anyone to relate to and he endured the title as the strongest for 13+ years do yk how lonely that would feel but ofc you would skip over that. It was even foreshadowed when Yurozu came into the story and how being overwhelmingly strong comes with loneliness so it was already established that Gojo felt that way
@@OkRoomer123- what are u talking about? i never said gojo wanted to foster the new generation to fill his void. i said thats something i heard ppl say and i literally countered that point by showing panels from the manga. and also, no, gojos loneliness was not properly foreshadowed. just bc u are stronger than everyone else doesnt automatically mean u are lonely. isolation also doesnt automatically make u lonely. and yorozu? bruh she came into the story at the last min, thats too late into the story
@@RealistDY everything transpired after the whole Geto conversation and they were on the opposite side, Gojo not only wanted to protect the weak but always foster and protect the younger generation so they can never have their lives and youth taken from them just like Riko and Gojo was the strongest after he mastered his limitless meaning there’s no one who can rival his strength like Geto could so that’s when the loneliness started bruh
@@OkRoomer123- u can explain as much as u want, but no explanation is going to change the fact that gojos loneliness didn't have proper build up. nothing implied he was lonely, not until gojo vs sukuna is when they said it for the 1st time
Ive had problems since Shibuya tbh its a great arc but even that arc had some problems, i personally did not like Gege bringing back Toji as this mindless killing machine and his interaction with Megumi literally doesnt matter and even when Megumi knows Gojo killed his father he just laughs its hot air and felt genuinely out of place. I think its a problem Gege has with his characters in general all too often the main cast is side lined for random side characters its so frustrating. Gojo being sealed felt pretty cheap imo because he fought like an idiot dude can just wipe Hanami out of existence but doesnt kill Jogo or Choso who are even less durable btw. He also waste his 100 seconds killing Mahitos transfigured humans when prior we are literally told several times when encountering a curse or curse user who uses summons you just kill the summoner and neg all the summons. Also how is he even tired after this if hes got rct around the clock the only thing he should be feeling is ct burnout and even then we have seen people recover it arguably sooner than 100 seconds and im not talking about gojo and sukuna healing their brains with rct. Yuji can point blank dodge a surprise attack from a special grade grasshopper but cant dodge Choso pulling the same move like what 30 minutes later? That absolute clown that gets dog walked by Nanami somehow is fully recovered and is able to put Megumi so close to death he summons Moharaga instead of just using rabbit escape or any other shikigami keep in mind all that happened was Megumi got stabbed i know he used his pseudo domain twice now and got scared by Toji but other than that the kid should be more than fine. Theres just too much coincidence and contrived circumstances in what most consider to be the peak arc of the series it was no wonder the fall off happened. I will say when i was reading Shibuya as it coming out i also thought it was peak but once we got everything after shibuya i went back to reread because genuinely no way the fall off was just this bad right? And i was correct jjk has always had these problems but prior to the culling games the art was better quality, Gege really simplified his already sketch style of art in the second half i really dont like it, the fights were more satisfying, the narrative was far less predictable, and the philosophy like in Mahito vs Yuji is so much deeper than surface level, its crazy he literally tried to recycle the whole i am you Yuji did against Mahito with Yuji vs Sukuna, so bs Mahito and Sukuna are genuinely very different you cant just copy paste i couldnt believe what i was reading when the sukuna fight was ending i was genuinely like no way hes just doing the same thing again?
Megumi was with CE Burnout. He CANT sumon any Shikigami at that state. Mahoraga is not his Shikigami then he can chant any time to make the tamming ritual. I agree about Gojo in Shibuya. He should have killed mahito First
The grasshopper curse was a grade 2 curse, not Special Grade. Choso is a Grade 1 Curse User. The difference between the two should be night and day. As for megumi, I kinda get what you're saying? But I'm pretty sure clashing with a Special Grade's domain and then having to fight Toji is going to put a LOT more strain on your body as opposed to just opening it, which already drains him plenty. I can also see your point with Toji and I kinda wish he had a different response as well but Megumi never really cared about him all too much imo
@@JDHominid Megumi was in a CE Burnout. Even Sukuna and Gojo have to use RCT to use DE and keep fighting. Megumi had to fight fricking Toji after opening a DE to Dagon
@@JDHominidIgnore the poster, he seems to not be very intelligent and hasn’t read the manga nor watched the anime, just watched through UA-cam reviews or shorts.
@@itsyaboi921 Finally someone else mentions it. Although, to be fair, there is so much bullcrap in this series, so much bullcrap IN THAT FIGHT ALONE, that it's easy to forget. Yes, that mightiest of slashy-slashes was complete dogwater. They played it up throughout the whole Sukuna cycle, everyone was pissing their pants abiut it, but Sukuna never fired off a second one. It is purely a plot device for them to kill stupid Gojo off. The moment he died the slash became useless, because all those other scrubs can die to a regular old slash. It was also the reason why Sukuna's 'power level' was all up and down during the fight - his slashes can kill Mahoraga when he was at 12-15 fingers, now at 19 his dismantles kind of just scratch up regular-ish people's sides. Can we also talk about how in the SAME STUPID FIGHT it turned out that Gojo can shrink people with his domain? Like, is that just him? Can anyone do that? Why didn't they both just get crused by the domain shrinking down to a basketball? What are domains then, anyway - is it just an area you cut off, or is it a separate mini-dimension? If so, why would Sukuna EVER remove his domain's barrier? And how does THAT work IF domains are separate dimensions? But they aren't, since Yuji literally punched his way into Mahito's? So it's just a physical barrier... SO THEN WHY CAN FUCKING GOJO FUCKING SHRINK PEOPLE?!
@@6ftTiny216 I remember reading that at the end of the chapter and thinking huh the domain is the size of a basketball? But gojo and Sukuna are in the domain? Are they also tiny?
@@itsyaboi921 Apparently, since it Gota/Yujo did the same thing against Sukuna in their domain clash - they narated the crap out of how 'Yuta already knew Gojo's solution to Malevolent Shrine - the compressed domain blablabla' and there was a panel of them inside the shrunken down domain. So yes - for a bit there, TWICE, Sukuna and Gojo/Yuta got miniaturized to the size of action figures, I imagine. You know, I had my doubts about the series ever since the first crack in the power system showed themselves was it revealed vs Jogo that Gojo is literally untouchable, and that domains give you a 'sure-hit' attack. Even back then I thought 'well, everything seems broken from the very get-go, so either these powers don't fit the scale of the series, or it's gonna be a bitch to write, cuz that's some buuuullsshit'. And when dit all atarted collapsing, I found new joy when Todo's vibraslap arm was introduced. So I started hoping for just more of that ridiculousness. The series was on the cusp of becoming 'so-bad-it's-good', but they insisted on it taking itself super-seriously till the very end, so they never managed to cut loose. It would have been a great finish if they just went all Guren Lagan / Fireforce - style at the end and leeeeeaaaaaned into the stupid. Sadly, it was not to be.
@@6ftTiny216 Well, he fired the second one to kill Kashimo and he made a giant fishing net world slash... which is another asspull in itself. Like, he can do that?
@@Chrysostomus_17 I wasn't quite sure if it was a regular attack or THAT one, but you are probably right. He probably had to binding vow away the use of his left nostril for that one.
You have great points but some I think are a bit harsh. Getos exact last words weren't really screw those monkeys and I get that you weren't specific to prove a point but it does just show that he had genuine connections with the other sorcerers. I think his parallel of being a father figure to his comrades or leader is quite simaler to Gojo too. I do admit him killing his parents was out there but I guess he had to make those sacrifices and he was willing to. Plus we don't know his relationship with them so we don't know if it was entirely positive. Gojos airport scene to most wasn't necessarily heaven but rather his own personal afterlife vision/void. All the characters shown there were dead. Other characters have different afterlife scenes/voids which don't represent heaven. I think it's rational to assume everyone's afterlife is unique thus the toji being in heaven critique isn't that solid. Toji is barely fleshed out like you said and it's sad that he essentially went through that character arc/cycle twice, I will say they do try and further elaborate on him by saying Toji didn't kill the zenin clan on a whim. Which isn't much but says something about his character. But it's ridiculous that we have to make excuses and put puzzle pieces to justify his writing. Same can be said about Gojos isolation I feel like if you read between the lines you can come to that same conclusion that he wanted to foster strong allies to avoid what happened with him and geto. That he didn't want to leave anyone behind and give that burden to solely one person yk. Also I think the month training arc would've really elevated the stories character writing but I've come to accept that the show itself tends to focus on the plot and the openings focus more on the relationships even tho it's brief scenes it truly does add an extra dimension. It's just a shame we don't see it in the actual show. I lowkey enjoyed jjk a lot tho, flaws and all I think it was quite a "hype" show and if u love a good fight scene and just wanna watch for fun then I'd recommend it. If you like character writing moreso and development I'd recommend chainsaw man instead. Part 2 is crazy good too.
Megumi didnt say anything to Yuji about Nobara because of Sakuna....They literally told us they kept big aspects of the plan from yuji..................
@@TheMrBrown96 first of all what u said was an interpretation and 2nd, the whole purpose of that segment of the video was me tryna explain why it wasnt unreasonable for ppl to assume nobara was dead from that panel of megumi saying nothing to yuji
i could not disagree more on the take of gojo vs sukunas fight, gege was clearly going for an atmosphere where the reader is placed not as an omnipresent spectator, but as a sorcerer in the room spectating through all the screens, this is so crystal clear that i don't get how you missed it, the exposition dump helps the atmosphere build up since it reinforced how neither you nor the characters know what the hell it's going on, and you are as much on the edge of your seat as they are, you truly feel like you are there with them watching the fight, its one of the coolest aspects of the fight, speculating as things happen. Now im not saying is perfect, cause It's nowhere near perfect, it did it had some pacing problems with said exposition, it was handled poorly since a lot of it got spit out to the viewer at the same time, instead of fed drop by drop, but saying to remove ALL the exposition and put it before the fight? That's what's called missing the whole point that the writer what's going for. The ending of the fight is garbage, so we agree on that at least.
I don't think the ending where gojo gets sliced in half is bad though. It might have felt cheap but that's the whole point. Sukuna built up world slash to use it in that moment. Gojo couldn't dodge it because he literally did not see it coming at him.
@@TopHatMurkrow i guess, the reason it felt cheap was because of the abrupt chaoter ending and cliff hanger with gojo "winning" only to be cut in half next chapter, also, gege glazing sukuna in the airport scene for no reason, making gojo say thing that he would never say in character.
Nah mechmaru was the best. Man ,the fact no one thinks of how invaluable mechmaru is in the plot is absurd. He absolutely carried the tf out of everyone in everything even after death. His advice and communication were game changers. God his character was so wasted. Sukuna wouldn’t have survived any longer if kokichi muta was alive and kicking. Like his analysis of how to defeat his enemies was flawless.he just didn’t account that mahito ct burnout period is very very short for some reason like mahito DE was deactivated after mahito thought he killed mechmaru but then he got simple domained but because his ct recovered in like 3 s? He defeated mechmaru.
17:55 no the exposition was done well. With us being told Gojo’s outer shell is what was attacked WHEN it happened, was the surprise it was. When they talk about how many more spins is left leads us to unlimited purple and Gojo hitting black flashes.
the exposition isnt done well bc its exposition dump. exposition dump is never good in general especially during a climax. theres a way the story can do exposition without having to narrate and do internal monologues constantly. its called show dont tell
23:59 Alright you might be dumb here. The hidden inventory arc’s ending was the thing that shows us Gojo was lonely at the top lmao. And 24:54 yeah this is just a dumb criticism, the characters are all in a cursed world where their actions are almost entirely forced upon them from the start and that nothing could’ve changed them as they were dealt with a “curse” at birth, Yuji literally talks about this and how next time he hopes Sukuna has others around to help him. This is a constant criticism among anime fans about anime villians but jesus, the manga literally tells us “yeah our curses are up to luck, what we become is forced on us. Let’s hope next time we have someone there to help us with it.” Everyone effected by this theme: Geto, Gojo, Maki, Mai, Sukuna, Toji, Uraume.
not rly, it doesnt and just bc ur actions are "forced" upon the world, doesnt change the fact that gojo is an idiot for riding on a man who killed his own parents and held the same condescending view on non sorcerers
@@RealistDY This doesn't change anything I said, you can think Gojo's an idiot, its a dumb criticism. You're not putting yourself in the shoes of these characters because you never been there or you just don't have the capacity to empathize/sympathize with them. You anime fans are abysmally bad when it comes to your views on immorally bad characters and those who still like them in the story. Just say you don't like the message/theme, no need to dislike the characters.
@@Rhenkei i can put myself in the shoes of someone and still acknowledge its a dumb thing to do. the story doesnt acknowledge this. if the story acknowledged it as flawed then yes, there would be 0 problems. not sure why u have to resort to being so condescending just to carry ur point across 🤷
@@Rhenkei and also i never said i disliked his character? not sure why ur putting words in my mouth on top of being mad condescending. i dont like an aspect of his character, that doesnt mean i dislike the character. making up false criticisms from someone just to prove ur point is kinda weird
I think it's unfair to shit on it bc they couldn't keep up with viewer's expectations. The reason for its "fall" is because fans trying too hard to hype it into something else. Why would we "fans" tell our fav manga's writer what to do? And when anything unpleasant happened we took it as opportunity to sh on it, as if it's our pleasure. It's almost like fans are the ones responsible for its fall, and they put it all on Gege bc they clearly think of themselves as "better"
I strongly disagree about the exposition dump during Gojo vs Sukuna. They were both so evenly matched that if not for the frequent explanations it would be next to impossible to justify how one managed to secure an advantage over the other without it. Also the exposition gave much needed context regarding the high-level techniques and cunning tactics they were employing.
@@RealistDY Not for this fight though. Remove the exposition and many readers would be constantly confused, as to how one combatant managed to get an advantage over the other. You may not have liked it, but the explanations were without a doubt necessary to maintain immersion.
@@taurusstudios5497 gege actually can. he simply wrote himself into a corner where he had no choice but to rely on exposition dump. instead of properly establishing the rules and worldbuilding prior to the fight, gege barfs up the info during the middle of a climactic moment. if gege did proper exposition before the fight, then yes, the readers wouldve been able to understand the fight without expo dump. the readers couldve either put the pieces together as the fight went on, or the readers could understand everything thats happening without being fed so much exposition all at once also the fight making 0 sense is not a bad idea at all imo bc gojo and sukuna are the two exceptions in the series. if every other fight was explained except for Gojo v sukuna, that would be cool in a meta way. if gege didnt want to do any exposition for gojo vs sukuna, i would not be mad bc its almost fitting in a way. not only that, but if there was 0 exposition, that would simply allow the readers to have their own interpretation on whats happening. that way, u have many different interpretations that can be discussed among fans. and the only reason why i would let this slide is bc gojo and sukuna are the exceptions
@@RealistDY Maybe that would've worked for YOU but not the audience in general. That creative decision would have alienated the majority of Jujutsu Kaisen's readership, as you mentioned before most fights prior to this one were chock-full of exposition, a trend that had been in place since Shibuya. These two characters were hailed as the strongest of their respective Eras without exposition detailing the exact techniques they employed and the exact tactics they devised, they'd be no proper justification as to why one is superior to the other.
@@taurusstudios5497 its not a matter of whether this works for me or if this works for someone else or if this works for the majority. this is for the sake of doing "show dont tell" and this fight did a terrible job in that department
Amazing video. Tell me, if Gege gave the seires another 100-200+ chs to develop the characters, world, power system, ECT, how good do you think the seires would be? Also, isn't it weird that super popular battle Shonen tend to be rushed af? Why can't y'all be like my poor baby Undead Unluck and have like 50 mini arcs for developing its cast and world? Fuck VIZ for encouraging these mid ass best selling series by eliminating hidden gems because they're not selling fucking tens of millions 🤬 and just before its end at that!
maybe not 200+ but gege should've added a lot more chapters especially before the shibuya arc. if he ended up fleshing out a bunch of characters, did actual setup, it wouldve been a lot better. also gege could've trimmed down a bunch of chapters where he would have characters fight NPCs. gege needed to find a good balance bc his pacing is often either too slow or too fast, but i feel like gege doesnt care if his writing is flawed or not, he just enjoys the element of surprise and yea its kinda weird shonen be getting these underwhelming ass endings. somebody must have these mangakas family hostage or some sh** cause this is crazy 💀💀
An alright video and I don't even like jjk anymore, but some of these criticisms are just straight ass. It's like everytime you see a plot twist "Oh that's bad writing". You're criticizing that mechamaru and Toji are reintroduced to the story and nobara being reintroduced like they are the same thing (Keep in mind I wanted her to return but I do not like how it was done). Mechamaru's "return" were dying messages to help his companions in a last ditch effort, we already known he can control his puppets remotely, so thinking he can impart some final words doesn't need to be foreshadowed to make sense. That's not a return. Toji is just killing machine as described in the story, again, not a return, because he only gains his last shred of humanity when he sees his son. So treating it like they are at ALL the same as Nobara is just dumb. They are still dead and the impact people felt from their deaths is still there. If you didn't notice Gojo's character arc about his loneliness as the strongest, I straight up just don't think you paid attention. It was set up in the flashback how gojo lost the only person he understood him and that's why he cares about geto so much. Because THEY together was the strongest, evidence is their last conversation before jjk 0. Geto had a slow descent because he had to grip with the fact that he WASN'T strong. Geto was jealous of Gojo's power and his refusal to use it for something more. It's one thing if you don't find it compelling or well executed, but to say it ain't there is just wrong. I straight up disagree that Hikari is mid, he's awesome, just because he's simple doesn't make him bad, so is toph from avatar and they are pretty much in the same boat. The fighting, I agree and also disagree, I agree that we don't need to see so many reactions, but to just walk through the action without understanding the nuance of what's happening in the fight is just dumb. We need the dialogue to understand why what's happening is crazy and to keep tabs on things that we aren't necessarily thinking about. The domain clash is more impressive with the explanation, the remote purple is more impressive and big brained with the explanation, the description of how the character's feel is also important Imagine if this was said for something like saitama vs garou or Hisoka vs Chrollo, it's just a dumb thing to say. Saying that Gege should just have skipped all the explanations and people should just watch the action without understanding anything is just a boneheaded comment. I don't care for your opinions on resurrection implying that those who want a character resurrected don't care about good writing as if it's always bad when it isn't, just makes you come off as a know it all, smartass. Also if you yourself admit that how Gojo was taken out was ass, then bringing him back WOULD make sense. Other than the stuff above, I more or less agree with everything else aside from how many times you think it's just pure plot armor or a lot of the nitpicking you do. Such as that a character can do something we haven't seen them do before is somehow just plot armor as if there's no logical explanation for it. One thing you should've mentioned is badly the power system is handled and how mid it really is. It only ever feels fully explored by like 4 characters and I am not a fan. Keep moving dude
thanks for the criticisms and for watching the vid however let me address some points u made🖤 mechamaru's return being dying messages doesnt invalidate the fact that he was brought back into the story when the story led u into thinking mahito killed him, meaning his death against mahito doesnt have the same emotional value in retrospect toji being a killing machine doesnt invalidate the fact that the story brought his character back to give him another moment especially when u have that scene of him offing himself in front of megumi after finding out he didnt take the zenin name. his character was already concluded in the hidden inventory arc and the story came up with a random way that was never fleshed out in the entire story as a way to give him a moment with megumi which proves that death doesnt have too much meaning in jjk so theres no point in trying to take anyone's death too srsly bc of the possibility that they're gonna have another moment later in the story. the impact ppl feel from their deaths is not the same anymore bc that final conclusion is no longer a conclusion. i have already acknowledged in the video that technically speaking, they were not resurrected but im talking about from a character writing point of view and the finality of a character's last moments if ur using jjk 0 as evidence, u are already burying yourself a hole to defend the story bc jjk 0 is a separate story with a chronology thats all over the place in relation to the overall plot. its very possible to read jjk from ch 1, or watch the anime and skip the movie. but lets be nice over here and pretend jjk 0 is an absolute requirement/prerequisite before watching jjk despite its clonky chronology, theres nothing in jjk 0 that tells or shows or makes the implication that gojo was lonely for being the strongest. these are merely interpretations from the readers without any concrete evidence. just bc other ppl dont quite understand u, that doesnt make u lonely bc u can still form genuine relationships and good bonds with others, so the logic of gojo losing geto isnt enough to give the implication that gojo was feeling lonely. an anime that does a much better job at showing a character who feels lonely for being too strong is one punch man. the story actually dives deep into saitamas feelings and his blank face and makes it clear to the audience that he feels isolated for not finding a worthy opponent. this is not done for gojo's character. im not saying the author has to hold my hand, but he needs to show me the road. unfortunately, gojo's character was not thoroughly explored throughout the series and was instead done in a way that was incredibly fast paced/ i never said hakari was a bad character, i just said he was mid. hes not bad nor good, hes just mid. he doesnt have too much depth to his character, he doesnt get as thoroughly fleshed out with the amount of screentime he has compared to other characters like takaba, higuruma, and yuji. and i never said he was a mid character due to the simplicity of his character. simple and complex doesnt automatically determine if a character is good or not. u dont need the dialogue to understand what gojo and sukuna are doing is crazy. a story does not need to remind or do exposition dump to the readers to keep tabs on things they're not thinking about. a lot of times, stories can have preestablished rules or information that the readers can connect the dots to on their own without the story having to feed them the information. if the reader missed out on stuff bc things went over their head, or bc they couldnt keep tabs on what they shouldve been thinking, thats moreso the reader's problem and not the story. now unfortunately jjk is a series that doesnt properly flesh out its power system before its climactic points of the story, which is why u come to this situation where gege has to flesh out and explain whats going on with heavy exposition dumps during the middle of a climactic moment. i also provided 2 possible options for gege to make gojo vs sukuna much more tolerable: i said either flesh out the power system before the fight even begins so that the readers are able to put in the pieces by themselves OR just dont bother explaining it. and the reason why i said this was not a bad idea is bc gojo and sukuna are anomalies themselves. so having an exception for just these 2 characters and deciding to not give them explanations would fit with the nature of these 2 characters. both of my options leads to the readers making their own interpretations on whats going on, although the 2nd option obviously leads to much bigger interpretations, however i think this is much better than to horribly execute the pacing of the fight when gege simply couldve made an exception for gojo and sukuna. as a matter of fact, gege could write down what was happening in a bonus page to confirm the readers interpretations. just bc the explanations make it more "impressive" does not excuse the poor execution of the writing. if gege decided to have yuji gain the sudden strength to explode the entire galaxy by giving a 5 page essay trying to explain why and how he was able to do it, would that excuse the writing simply bc the explanation makes it much more impressive since the readers are able to understand the nuance and complexities of how yuji was able to perform such a feat? no it wouldnt bc the execution is terrible. ive never read saitama vs garou or hisoka vs chrollo but an example of a good fight that doesnt get interrupted by exposition dump, narration, and internal monologues on the powers is naruto vs sasuke. from the readers perspective, we understand everything there is to know about their powers and are simply seeing how these characters are using the established abilities in creative ways that dont require all that exposition. ofc jjk's power system is much more complex but thats not an excuse for gege to do horrible execution. and i never said ppl should watch the fight without understanding it. i said gege shouldve made it so that ppl would watch the fight and make their own conclusions on whats going on by interpreting the fights through its art there is never a well written moment in a story where it convinces you or presents to the audience that a character is given a sendoff/conclusion with their death and then brings them back without any prior foreshadowing. if u have an example of a story that does this in a well written way, i would like to know me thinking gojo's death was poorly executed does not equate to the story needing to bring him back. its like ripping a piece of paper into a million pieces to then try and glue it back hoping that the paper would be back to normal. once the damage has been done, its too late as for the power system, i didnt even care too much if it was poorly written or not bc at a certain point, it was useless in trying to actually get invested into it when the execution was going to be trash. but i did kinda go over how the writing was bad for the power system when i was talking about gojo vs sukuna and sukuna vs everybody. something having a logical explanation does not excuse asspulls or bad writing for that matter. if i wrote a story in a world with no aliens, and 80 chapters later i have an alien teleport to planet earth, writing an explanation afterwards wouldnt fix the bad writing when there is 0 setup if u barely read any of this, thats ok just leaving it out
@@RealistDY I read what you had to say but it's still wrong. And they are wrong because they ARE dead. Mechamaru DID die, so there was no misdirection. What you're saying happened DID NOT HAPPEN. Toji's story DID conclude. It's like getting angry that Jiraiya left a message on the frog and Naruto reflects on his words when talking with pain Or nighteye with Mirio. Mechamaru's last message was to the classmates he formed a bond with and just serves as another conclusion. So i don't understand why that makes you think his other just gets cheapened in the process. You think that Asuma's resurrection in the great ninja war took away from his death and shikamaru's character? If so, I don't know what to tell you because that's just not true. Again Toji getting brought back was a decision that stripped of all of his being away. That moment was not meant to develop his character because he isn't actually revived, it was reinforcing what was established at the end of the flashback, that he does love his son and megumi is the reason he retained his humanity. It's not resurrection, so treating it like it is just a false equivalency, which means it's just a bad take. You straight up did not read what I said about jjk 0, I didn't use it as evidence. I said the last conversation BEFORE Jjk 0, as in the end of the flashback. I didn't say jjk 0 itself, and it was one piece of evidence. Other evidence includes his motivations, he hated the jjk world because it punished people with potential, who wished for people attain strength similar to him, it's laid out pretty clearly that he wants his students to approach and understand him the same way geto used to. which is why he never killed the higher ups, another piece of evidence is Gojo's very power which doesn't let anyone who isn't on his level approach him. The infinity represents his relationship with other people, he's untouchable in all ways to friend and foe. So once again, if you don't like it that's one thing, but it is there for reader's to find. As for hikari, that's just personal preference, not every character needs to be multifaceted and dimensional, he has a good personality. He's like Kenpachi, Inosuke Leorio or Toph characters that aren't all that deep but with a good personality and characterization even if they are mostly static. Again this is just a personal opinion so pay it no mind, I just disagree. Ok, the fighting, So to start you chose a very poor example of naruto vs sasuke, the power system of naruto is not only far simpler, but naruto and sasuke don't play with the fundamental principles of the power system the same way Gojo vs sukuna does. The domain expansion is a finishing move in the jjk world, so when they clash domains you'd think that's the end of the fight, without the explanation, how would you possibly know that infinite void gets destroyed from the outside because Malevolent shrine is a barrierless domain? That's an explanation that plays on the reader's expectations, but then when the NEXT domain hapoens, there's no way you're gonna know that gojo could shrink and expand his barrier ON TOP of turning it inside out. That's what I mean by "describing how impressive the actual action is". Those are the explanations i'm talking about, the ones that require intricate knowledge of the system. I guarantee you most people don't understand how the ring on maho's head works. That's required to express the level of mind games and tactics. NO ONE has ever used reverse cursed technique on their own technique to restore it so how would anyone know how absurd that sounds if it's not explained, Hxh does this all the time and the fights are compelling stuff. Your example of Yuji using a galaxy busting attack is another false equivalency because I'm not talking about flipping the power scaling on it's head, i'm talking about flipping the system and utilization on it's head. We as the audience know what the standard rules are, so understanding how the standard is changed is what makes it compelling. I already agreed that he could've inserted the commentary better, I disagreed with your recommendation to just look at the fighting and ignore all other context. I don't what you watched or played, but a character in Shaman king, D.gray man and the trails series all do what you just described well. Hell even kakashi did this and was brought back to life in the pain arc. Also the reason I brought up you not liking his ending is because THAT'S WHY some may want him back not because "They don't care about stakes" maybe they want their character to be done justice. That's all that was meant to say, and you say him being brought back would mean it's with no explanation when there are avenues for him to be brought back, such as his head not being cut into a 4 by 4 and not seeing his decision at the airport (unless we did and I just forgot). I don't care whether he comes back or not but I disagree with your point painting people who DO want him back in a negative light. To address your last point, that's an oxymoron, if there is a logical train of thought to an event in a story then that makes it not an asspull, it's also not an asspull if it's narratively earned as well. Maki's powerup is not an asspull. You can argue it's a retcon but it ain't an asspull. Yuji gaining new skills to fight sukuna isn't an asspull, Gojo surviving against toji when he is the new center of the jujutsu world, isn't an asspull. So that's just wrong, but that ain't even to say asspulls don't exist. It's just about understanding the distinctions and as for your example, That's just a terrible example, you realize that that's the plot of dragon ball right? lol. There's such a thing as mid series shake ups that change the landscape of a show as well. I get what you're trying to say, a story shouldn't be random, but it's about execution of an idea or retcon or shakeup to the landscape. Just because we aren't privy to all knowledge doesn't mean that when we're introduce to an idea suddenly means it's an automatically bad idea. I still think jjk is mid though, don't get it twisted it fell off precisely after shibuya, yes it was flawed before that yes, but these criticisms are not ones I agree with and it was good and entertaining to that point.
@@TrueReverse74 i already acknowledged that the characters died both in the video and in my comment so im not sure why ur trying to tell me these characters died when i have already acknowledged that. my point is going over ur head cause ur not even addressing my actual complaint for ur whole defense. the examples u provided with naruto and nighteye have 0 correlation with the criticisms i have bc jiraiya and nighteye's characters were not brought back again to have another moment. other characters acknowledging a dead character and their words is not the same thing as a dead character being brought back to have another conclusion when the story already concluded their character and had 0 foreshadowing that they would have the capacity to come back later in the story. u brought up edo tensei and edo tensei is one of the worst plot elements of naruto. it was fine in part 1 when orochimaru used it on hashirama and tobirama bc A) those 2 characters were never fleshed out and were pretty much NPCs in terms of the reader's emotional attachment towards them, and B) edo tensei was fleshed out as an ability that made them zombie like, so they werent actually them. this all changed in shippuden bc they started giving asuma and itachi actual character moments with other characters so the aspect of them being zombie like is completely stripped away bc now the story is actually giving these characters that already had a conclusion, agency to push for another conclusion when we already thought their characters were completely finished forever ago. if edo tensei made the characters zombie like for the whole entire show, then that would be perfectly fine and wouldnt cheapen their original deaths bc they literally dont even have the same personality. this is similar to toji's resurrection. if toji was a killing machine for the whole entire time, that wouldnt have cheapened his original death bc this means absolutely nothing for his character. but then the story decided to have toji come to his senses at the last moment and have him develop his character. so if u believe that itachi's reanimated corpse talking to sasuke, and toji talking to megumi were scenes that meant a lot for BOTH of their characters, then u urself have to acknowledge that the story brought their characters back for another conclusion, and that any time you see a character die in both of these series, u should always have doubt that they will never come back again. if u believe toji's conversation with megumi did not develop his character, then u believe that that scene means absolutely nothing bc the only thing that that scene did was develop toji into earning the satisfaction of knowing his son didnt adopt the zenin name. gojo hating the jjk world is not evidence that he was feeling lonely. it has never been laid out in the story that gojo wanted his students to understand him. i already said in my video that gojo wanting his students to become strong was to take over the rotten jujutsu society bc he thought the higher ups were all scum, nothing in this makes the implication that he was feeling lonely. gojo's infinity is not implication that he was feeling lonely for being too strong. if the story wanted u to know that gojo's infinity represented his loneliness, the story did a horrible job bc theres nothing that implies that, so any interpretation that those elements represented him being lonely is headcannon bc theres no solid evidence to support that i never said every character needs to be multifaceted and be fleshed out, but every good character needs to and hakari is just not one of those characters and thats perfectly fine. its fine if a character is mid and hakari is just one of those characters. neither bad nor good, hes just cool i already said that naruto's power system isnt as complex as jjk, ur missing the point. the point is that a good fight shouldnt have to interrupt the pacing with exposition dumps, and jjk having a complex power system is not an excuse to let that slide. domain expansion is not a finishing move in the jjk world, this has been proven multiple times in the story. mahito's domain did not work on nanami, it didnt work on yuji. jogo's didnt work on gojo. higurumas didnt work on yuji. so from a reader's perspective, the idea of a domain expansion being the finishing move shouldnt be on the reader's mind bc the story has proven multiple times that just bc its a domain expansion, u shouldnt think thats the end of a fight. u keep saying how are the readers supposed to know and thats the whole point of interpreting something. nobodys answer would be right bc the story doesnt confirm it, however this would be able to create a lot of discussion and the readers would all have different ideas on whats happening in the fight. u also ignored me saying gege could literally write what happened in a bonus page and this would confirm ppl's interpretations, and the reason why i say this can work for gojo v sukuna is bc these two characters are considered the exception in their world. u can describe how impressive something is without having to explain it. u also ignored my other option on how they couldve properly fleshed out everything before the fight happened. my example of yuji using a galaxy busting attack serves my point bc it proves that having an explanation to show the intricacies of whats happening doesnt make things better. you said it yourself that the explanation made it more impressive, and u were using it to justify the writing which is why i used an extreme example to show that that logic is flawed. i also never said to ignore the context, i said the readers can make their own interpretations by looking at the art. thats not ignoring context, thats using whats visually depicted to make your own conclusions never watched shaman king or d gray man but kakashi being brought back is one of the worst written scenes in naruto. this is another example ur providing that shows a series where death loses its emotional value. if i wanted to be petty, death in naruto became meaningless the moment neji and choji were confirmed they were alive in the sasuke retrieval arc even though the story depicted it as them dying. if we were to ignore this and pretend it never happened, the show does it again with pain having the ability to restore everyone back to life which came out of nowhere, bc kishimoto wanted ppl to feel a sense of loss for the villagers of the hidden leaf and feeling of closure for kakashi's character when in reality all of those feelings were manufactured bc nobody died and kakashi's character wasnt concluded. u keep bringing up examples and expect the argument to change when these examples u provide have the exact same flaws as jjk. ppl not enjoying the conclusion of gojo's character is a reason why some ppl want him back, not justification. i already pointed out in my previous reply, that once the damage has been done, u cant undo it. u cant just glue a torn sheet of paper and expect it to look good. ppl who genuinely wanted gojo would come back is proof that these ppl dont care about stakes, bc if they truly cared about stakes they wouldve accepted gojo's death whether or not they think the execution was bad. just bc something is poorly executed, that doesnt justify the story to dig another hole by bringing them back. gojo's death is supposed to give u a sense of loss from his fight with sukuna. that is whats at stake, gojo's life. so if the story is trying to convince the readers that gojo is having a sendoff, then the story completely failed in doing so bc ppl are now having doubt when the story never wanted u to have any doubt. this is an example of the boy who cried wolf. now the author loses trust from the readers and scenes that are supposed to impact the readers in a particular way is completely altered and being interpreted in ways that are not intended to be interpreted that way
@@TrueReverse74 logic does not determine if something is an asspull or not. asspulls can either make sense or not make sense. an asspull is when something happens in a story with 0 foreshadowing. that is what an asspull is. this works both ways, something can be foreshadowed with 0 explanation. just bc theres no explanation, does that make it an asspull? no, if it was properly foreshadowed, then by definition it is not an asspull. now that still wouldnt make things well written bc theres 0 explanation. ur addressing my last point as an oxymoron bc ur applying logic in the definition of asspull when the actual word doesnt consider the factor of there being a logical explanation. that is the whole point of the example i used with the aliens. just bc i was able to provide a logical explanation on why aliens existed, that doesnt excuse the fact that i implemented aliens in a story that doesnt have any aliens with absolutely 0 foreshadowing. this is ur own personal perspective that tries to define what is considered an asspull when the actual word itself isnt that. ur applying ur own criteria on what is considered an asspull when the actual definition defines it as the author pulling something out of thin air with no proper set up. an explanation is no good when there is 0 setup. now that i have provided the actual definition and criteria of an asspull, then yes, maki's powerup, yuji's abilities, gojo surviving against tojo are all considered asspulls. why? bc there is no proper setup for any of those. if gege dived deeper into how maki's heavenly restriction worked in relation to her sister, then its not an asspull. if gege fleshed out the 1 month training everyone had, fleshing out all of the powers and abilities they were working on before they had their final fight, its not an asspull. if gege added sprinkles that gojo was going to learn rct at a critical moment like death, then its not asspull. and u said that my example is pretty much the plot of dragon ball. what exactly is dragon ball supposed to do with this argument? dbz is a poorly written series with constant asspulls. dbz literally fits my example bc its a poorly written show, so im not sure if ur using this to counter my example or if ur using dbz to support my argument. i never said we needed to know all of the knowledge before we're introduced to a new idea. i said we needed sprinkles or hints. sprinkles/hints/breadcrumbs is not ALL knowledge, that is simply foreshadowing. u can either share ALL of the knowledge or SOME, but having NONE just leads to asspulls and jjk constantly shared NO knowledge for many elements of the story
@@RealistDY At this point it's a matter of preference so i'm not gonna argue with you further, You're just blatantly wrong about what an asspull is, an asspull in writing is a hastily fabricated or contrived plot twist, when there is a logical explanation for an event happening and can be reasonably justified within the plot that makes it NOT an asspull. Gear second ISN'T an asspull when luffy fought Cp9 because it can be reasonably justified that luffy can pump his blood even though that not something anyone ever thought he can do. That's what i'm trying to tell you, as for edo tensei, In no way shape or form did asuma's return, take away from his previous conclusion. That's a you problem and you aren't addressing what I'm saying. You're mindlessly spamming negative terms. If you honestly think Kakashi's return after pain invasion was terrible then you're just hating, that's all I can say to that. Because Kakashi made peace with his father and we continue to understand why he's been depressed for the entire series and he gained another conclusion with Obito. That's 2 great conclusions to 2 parts of his character. Symbolically he healed his events and both moments do an amazing job of helping us understand Kakashi's character. The events still happened and the effect on the characters still happened and that's what is important. There's nothing wrong with reinforcing the impact that a character has on others. Itachi is considered all the more brilliant of a character because of hid follow up with saauke, People appreciate what those moments for the characters who are alive. The reason I'm telling that them being used in the story after their death is because you seem to be under the impression that a character can only conclude once which is false. No Toji's 2nd death did not add to his character it REINFORCED WHAT WE KNEW ABOUT HIS CHARACTER. That is 2 different things but itachi's death did give sasuke a new perspective on things so it did add to itachi's character and no, I don't have doubts about another character's death just because somebody else got resurrected, that's such a bizarre thing to believe. No one thinks Ace or Whitebeard is coming back from death just because Pell survived it's nearly the same circumstance. I don't think the samurai are coming back just because luffy did. No one thinks Obito is coming back just because Orochimaru survived. If you have that expectation when the circumstances can't be repeated then again, that's a you problem. I've never had that problem. Also, If you don't wanna believe the signs of loneliness in Gojo, fine, I ain't gonna try to convince you, but the signs are there if you just pay attention. Why you keep going back to hikari is beyond me, I said that it's personal preference and I find it funny that you said that "I never said that every character said that every character needs to be multifaceted" and then in the very next sentence you said they do. So you do think they need to be a nuanced take on the human condition to be a good character, that's why we agree to disagree. I'm not going to go over the fights when I already told you, what I think. Not every twist in a battle is an asspull, and the author can afford to give us some explanation to further clarify what's happening, it happens in one punch man, it happens in HxH, it happens in Naruto, and yes it is better in those shows, I'm specifically denouncing when you said just to read through the action. The point of me bringing up dragon ball, is that it did EXACTLY what you said would be bad in a story and is still a great story. An alien (Raditz) comes down to earth after like 200 chapters of martial arts tournaments and saving the world. Dragon ball is a great story with plenty of good to be had. There are good and bad ways to do resurrection and like I said in the first comment and you seem to think it is all bad so i'll tell you again. No it isn't and we can agree to disagree.
54:55 Ngl, Gojo's death was in doubt because look what we had with Nobara, Nobara got a backstory chapter, got a death scene, had Yuji cry about her, Megumi implied she died, Gege said she died, and yet she's back. So yeah its dumb but it makes sense people hoped Gojo came back.
Yap yap yap, JJK CANNOT fall off, you do not understand it is too deep rooted in the anime community, I agree it isnt THAT good in reality BUT the amount of hype you get reading/watching JJK the amount of just pure memes and aura characters from JJK got is just on a JJBA level. Also probably one of the only series which I can turn off my brain and just enjoy it from episode 1 to S2
The high points were crazy high and showed this series had a real potential for greatness. Unfortunately Gege didn’t have worldbuilding or character developing to flesh out the world of JJK and give it some depth high on his list of priorities. Shibuya was the best complete arc. Culling games was ehh but Gojo vs Sukuna built back up the momentum before fumbling in epic fashion. The shinjuku guantlet afterwards starts off neat but gets worse the longer it went on. 6/10 Gege when I catch you 😤 Edit: switched score from 7 to 6 upon rereading the series.
I mean yeah. It was a series where the author knew how to make cool as fuck fights, a cool power system, and characters who have aura. When it came to the story writing, JJK was painfully mid. It had some promise with the things Gege set up but we all (or at least you should have) knew Gege does not care about world building or fleshing shit out. People just kept getting blinded by their own ideas for what COULD happen rather than realizing what WAS happening. It's the same with the character relationships. The fans made up a lot of ideas for how close everyone was and then when Gege showed that the characters were not really that close, people lost their shit. I am referring to Gojo and how nobody seemed to care he died at the end. Gojo is NEVER showcased to be that close to anyone besides Yuta and Geto (and KINDA Yuji). "OH, what about Megumi" even that relationship is never shown to be more than "Gojo is his benefactor and teacher", but a lot of people filled in this whole lack of dynamic with "AH GOJO IS HIS FOSTER DAD" when that was never the case.
I give this series 4 Kagurabachi Out of 10 Kagurabachi. It tried too much to be e like Kagurabachi. Although it do got that Swag. Gay² never shouldn't copied kagurabachi that much and failed so badly smh.
@@lain5858 Nah Kagurabachi was before the Big 3. Kagurabachi raised series like DBZ and Kenshin. It's the grandfather of all the anime and manga. Show more respect would ya?
The inconsequential nature of the constant revives ruined most of the show for me. I absolutely agree with your opinion on Toji as a character as well. The first season was great and pulled me into the show since it's rare to see a Shonen take itself and the themes of death seriously. Then the shibuya arch came and the Geto reveal happened which killed most of the show for me. Geto was such a strong character that is actually relatable and then they just throw him away and exchange him for a cookie cutter "brain monster". It was such a huge disappointment that I had trouble sticking to the end of the shibuya arch. Mahito is also one of the weakest villains I've seen which is ironic considering how much presence Sukuna and Toji commanded on screen. This furthermore made the fights with Mahito seem inconsequential and sadly boring no matter how great the animation and fight scenes were. Ultimately JJK disappointed me not because it's a bad show but moreso because it had such a strong start but turned out ultimately just meh.
Hey you know how Yuji turned out to effectively be Sukuna's son-nephew-twin? Yeah, remember how thia whole thing started and he actually just ate that first finger on pure accident?
Now that JJK is over, on a scale of 1-10, what would you guys rate it?
COMPELETE and utter garbage , so much “ potential “ unexplored
9-8/10 you guys where coming week to week for every chapter then calling it trash because of a bad ending
10/10 Gege never misstepped once
With that Game of Thrones ending. 4/10 without 8.7/10
@@rkj5480 how can 5 chapter drop it to a 4 ?
Gege was tired of the series and it REALLY shows
I should've known the moment I heard about him wanting to write an idol manga instead of Jujutsu Kaisen.
You could see it in the art. Go back and read shibuya and compare it to the final shinjuku art. The art was amazing in shibuya. It was very dirty and gritty but clearly detailed and time went into it. In shinjuku the consistency of the art fell off hard. Far far less shading and detailed art. We only got decent art in the double spreads which were thankfully still very good.
@@yadafty7671 yep, the final arc artstyle is sketchy and unfinished mess
Nobara's return felt forced, purely for plot convenience. Her condition was left in the air for over 100 chapters, with no foreshadowing of her comeback. Then, outta nowhere, she wakes up just in time to help yuji deliver the final blow to sukuna. TWO PACK OF ASS
(Good video btw)
ong straight bootycheeks 🍑🍑
@bigmaxx6819it only was 3 weeks in jjk
Would make more sense for Gojo comeback than nobara...for real
i mean, nobara surviving at all was pretty much foreshadowing
gege coulda popped her entire head, but she was kept in stasis instead
of COURSE she was gonna come back
Agreed. I cannot even like it. Without explaining how Nobara's doing, how she even survived Ilde transfiguration and re-introduced at chapter 267, the revelation is just so disappointing
Honestly would've been better if she had just stayed dead
I think gege is really good at writing characters with aura and potential, honestly is should be studied because it carried him throughout this entire series, even thou a character is shallow and poorly written you just enjoy watching them fuck shit up.
But with the horrible execution of gojos death it snapped me out of the denial that gege is a good wtiter, dude is good at writing fights, shock moments and fun characters and that's it.
This manga died with Gojo
Yea and a lot of people are ok with this causes fights and cool characters are enough.
He was good at writing fights until Gojo’s death. The Sukuna cycle afterwards was so terrible and Sukuna got so lucky, it was so overbearing that I just stopped reading until it was over. I just watched leaks.
@@TownBwoy FR after plotgel/plotna's fraudulent plot device blast didn't work when it was literally supposed to be the counter I knew he was just throwing stuff around I didn't take anything after serious
Gojo wasn't even written well is the craziest part!!!!! It's the anime curse where a character shows out and people attach themselves to them with almost no character depth for that character.
Not gonna lie, I was defending Gege saying: "let him cook, it's just weekly reading experience, let the story conclude" and oh boy it has indeed concluded. The level of disappointment, missed opportunities is compared to Game of thrones season 8 (aka the worst season in tv history that destroyed the brand and forever prevented people from re-watching). It's clear gege wanted to end the story as quick as possible, I don't know whether Shonen Jump forced him to end on a specific date (like it did with Bleach, remember it's business after all, deadlines, contracts etc. and other series are about to take the missing spot). Something must have happened during the last one month break, the pacing was absolutely bonkers: one fight, another fight, let's go, we don't have time, timeskip, the end lol ;) The writing in the last stretch of the chapters was kindergarten level. Omg culling games, 10 gigantic barriers, Yorozu added a rule that allows to exit colonies and the players maybe will kill civilians for points, lol nope it's irrelevant, we got Gojo back, one month preparation, how are you feeling Gojo.... nope, time skip let's fight, Omg Kenjaku the "mastermind" the merger, the theme "optimizing cursed energy or eliminating cursed energy" my plan will continue lol nope: Kenjaku's dead, got one-shotted after comedy sketch, Omg the USA is capturing sorcerers there will be conflict lol nope: in the 270 "we're gonna rescue kidnapped people by USA", Omg Nobara's back after missing for more than half of the story, how are you feeling Noba.... lol nope, not a single panel, time skip, Omg culling game is still on 10 barriers, will Tengen barriers fall? It means the curses will spread all over the world what are we going to do lol nope: Gakuganji "don't worry, you're still young" and creme de la creme: yuta in gojo's body, what will happen after 5 minutes? kenjaku's technique burned out after domain clash, what will happen? we killed Sukuna, 3 pages "I'm you" let's go, there's no time, we're doing time skip, "we need to save Yuta", lol Yuta is alive and better than ever "somehow through my connection with Rika my consciousness was able to come back to my body, by the way Rika used reversed cursed technique to maintain my body" and Kusakabe "Lol, Kenjaku probably was using some kind of barrier techniques in his brain", "peak writing" reminds me of "somehow palpatine returned", Why the f*ck you introduced these all concepts, make big deal of Kenjaku's ability just to resolve it in a stupid "we're gotta handle this" and "everything turned out ok" What was a point of yuta in gojo's body? btw, the more I look back the more I'm noticing the characters and their abilities are just introduced in the last moment to resolve the plot problems (and don't remind me of binding vow, which became dogsh*t plot conveniences). Gojo's inside the prison realm, don't worry Tengen happen to have "the back of prison realm" how convenient, the person who Megumi saved has the ablility to release Gojo, and she's a friend because we got 2 pages of her backstory, how convenient. Kenjaku has anti-gravity technique which saves him from Yuki's black hole, how convenient. Ui Ui has the ability to teleport but he can even teleport souls, twice a month so we can explain our power-ups (why specifically twice? We don't even have the explanation of his technique, he only says lol I can switch "content within containers") how convenient. Sukuna's "improptu binding vows" were able to recover his domain in full power but the "drawback" is he can maintain it for"only" 99 seconds, how convenient, yeah truly the drawback of all times. Nobara happens to be absent for half of the story just to strike sukuna's finger at the right time, how convenient. Todo's absent for half of the story just to come back at perfect moment, how convenient, even his binding vows make his boogie-woogie actually stronger, and I can go on and on. If there is no continuation I give the story weak 7/10. And the Kenjaku's plan/merger was the friends we made along the way.
All that to give it a 7?? Just admit it sucks. 3/10!
It's like because Shonen jump forced him
7/10??? That shit is not even a 4. Straight up dogshit manga
You're too considerate
@Toastedbuns-hq9fb no they didn't he just wanted to be finished
honestly what ticked me off the most with the series is just how inconsequential Megumi's inclusion was in a majority of the series. for a character who was advertised to be apart of the main trio, hes very rarely not standing on the sidelines of the story
At least he got actually got to do stuff some of the time, Nobura got the short end of the stick.
@@Chill_gh0sttt It still doesn't serve them justice for what Gege did to his characters though, especially for being part of the main trio
@@firstlegend5105 yeah I definitely agree with you.
You can call me Gojo-glazers but I would say 80-90% of JJK's popularity contributed by Gojo. you can see that in jump's popularity poll.
I think Gege hated the fact that he himself created a character that is larger than the combined of Itadori, Sukuna, JJK story & he himself.
The way he kills off Gojo as a character speak for itself.
Gojo glazer or not, nobody can't say that Gojo isn't the center of JJK. Like on a international scale, Gojo is the most popular character. Gege hating him is his own fault because he wrote him too OP to actually use in the story. lol jokes on him because Gojo is still the best developed character in the series and outclasses Yuji as MC
Bro it went to the Point that Geges Wife said she would marry Gojo, LMAOOO
@@angedenpeacelove_411-00🤣🤣🤣☺️☺️💯💯
Gege's fault on making Gojo busted 😂
Even his wife said she'd marry the slashed Jo ☠️☠️☠️
@@angedenpeacelove_411-00 pfffff ok sure buddy. yuji had one of the bets developments in the series.Gojo aint got sh*t
I feel like some of the analysis was to harsh, 5/10 is crazy but i can agree with some of the analysis
appreciate it 🙏
Nah 5/10 is perfectly fine. The fight scenes are great but the writing is so sub-pair and mid that JJK belongs into the "eh" anime category.
For me it's one of those shoes that had an awesome first season and then just throws it all away for the sake of subversions that are not just poorly written but just not thought out to begin with.
The character set up works well before the Shibuya Arch but after it it just falls off HARD.
@@PuddingXXL Yeah the animation and fights are carrying hard the series
@@Khann_2102 true. The fights are what got me into the series to begin with. I'm late enough to have missed the hype around Gojo which was good since I had to drop the show after Shibuya.
I read the Manga at a friend's house and I like some stuff they did with the ending but ultimately this show turned out as a worse version of chainsaw man.
That show brings both good writing as well as good fights into one package
There’s a reason why almost nobody dies in One Piece. It’s because when someone does die, it has a ripple effect across the entire story. Oda allows death to bear real weight, Gege just likes cheap shock value
Oda also likes cheap shock value, what with its 5 million fakeouts. Death should have real weight, and it doesn't in JJK, but it has even less weight in OP. It's a complete joke no one can take seriously the couple times that it (maybe) does happen. At least Gege seems to be an alright person, not like Oda
@@natalimoina Oh no doubt there are plenty of fakeouts in One Piece but I’m talking about the real deaths here. We know for a fact that Ace and Whitebeard are not coming back. To this day their deaths have an effect on the story. That’s what I mean. In JJK plenty of people actually do die but that has the opposite effect in the audience. The death of Gojo had nearly zero effect on the story. The characters bring it up maybe once. With OP we’re so used to the fakeouts that when someone does actually die we really feel that shit.
I think Gege and Oda are the two extremes of the issue. I think Araki in JoJo's has a healthier approach to characters getting killed without going overboard with it.
@@DCYTB death does not have real weight in one piece cuz no one dies. not once have I ever worried for the life of the strawhats.. however, I think the story itself has weight beyond death.
@@soap.7931 You are just dishonest. Saying no one dies in OP is a straight-up lie 💀
all the problems of the show come from being rushed. It should have been season 1, 3 more seasons where yuji gets to like 7-8 fingers and gets stronger, a longer hidden inventory arc with more development, somehow fit the choso brohter thing into season 3-4, then shibuya, then do culling games but write it better, and in the culling games let yuji learn everything except for domain expasion and RCT, then a slightly longer time gap with more detail, then yeah, gojo vs sukuna with no exposition, then sukuna final boss fight, but everyone is more developed, the fight is less rushed, and less asspulls
Yes but let’s be honest jjk rushed to get back to fights almost like gege is scared of righting character relationships and interactions. This is also why it was always trending some big fight or shock was in every chapter.
Remember Yaga's death? What was the point of him telling Gakuganji how to make cursed corpses if it didn't matter in the final battle?
Remember Megumi's incomplete domain? A missed opportunity for Sukuna to show us Megumi's completed domain.
My greatest gripe of all is Hakari VS Uraume. That fight could've been an amazing viceral fight. An immortal trying to over come the Ice demon that is Uraume with just his regeneration and his fists. Instead we gett an off-screen fight.
Don't get me wrong JJK is fire Gege cooked with this manga. I just can't help but feel like getting blue balled for consecutive days.
not even close to fire. its like a spark of greatness then nothing
@@G.I_Jane Chekov Gun but Gege dont pull the trigger
gege´s bias against gojo was extremely obvious, with him stating it multiple times. and i don't really get it..HE made the character and his ability's , then he got annoyed that the character is too strong? can someone tell me how that makes sense? i never created anything character wise. please tell me how that makes sense, im genuinely curious how that is possible when he knew what gojo can do.
It was his popularity
Well, I made a rapist pedophile antagonist for my original work, but he ended up the most popular character getting the most comments because he was at least charismatic and funny. I didn't want this character to be popular I wanted him to get hate. This made me frustrated and made me doubt my writing abilities and how I portrayed characters. Maybe Gege felt the same?
@@mittag983 ehh..I'd get it if gojo was a pedo. But no. He's just a strong dude..so I dunno.
@@desk_fan_chan He was also implied to be a womanizer and that he didn't care about much people. I think Gege wanted to portray him as more negative and failed because he sucks at writing lol. Like he should have just created a new character who is a hate sink, Gojo was too popular for it to work.
@@mittag983Kenjaku is a rapist and got more respect from Gege than Gojo. It doesn’t make sense unless he’s based off the guy who stole his past gf or something.
Tbh the only reason people glazing a 5/10 like JJK is cause its newgen contemporaries rarely are anything better than a 3/10. When the big 3 dominated shonen jump, the competition they were stomping out was incredibly fierce heavy hitting s tier works like D Gray Man, Gintama, Toriko and Death Note just to name a few. When the competition is all grime and muck, rhinestones shine like diamonds.
Newer gen is wayyy better than old
@@natalimoina cap. not one new gen anywhere near as good as Yu Yu Hakusho, Slam Dunk or Initial D
Honestly even something like DBGT is better than JJK personally
No point using S tier series
But let's be honest, the BIG 3 really aren't more than 5/10's either. Sure they're iconic, we loved them as kids, but they aren't top quality writing.
Naruto's entire plot contradicts its themes in so many god awful ways.
I think bleach thematically is very good, so are its characters. But much like JJK, got flack for its last arc heavily.
One Piece is very formulaic and post timeskip, especially with the awful wano arc, you can see the flaws in one piece more prominent.
Realistically there's very few shonen that break 5/10, like hunter x hunter being one of the few.
Dragged that joke at the beginning of the video like crazy
lmao 🤣🤣
This is why filler exists because some mangas never fill their own story enough if they did we wouldn't have it because the story wouldn't need to be "filled"
50:30 This is sooo true. Side characters sometimes having more depth then the main cast is insanely bad writing on characters like Nobara
Yeah, this whole show just suffered from being way too rushed. I feel like we should have had way more story before Shibuya, feels a story event that should have happened way further into the story with the major events that happened, but there is barely even any time to explore the story and its characters before this and then we just watch a bunch of them die and fallout which irreparably damages the world up until now, which would be much more impactful and natural if we had a bunch more character and world building which was very much lacking.
This is why filler exists because some mangas never fill their own story enough if they did we wouldn't have it because the story wouldn't need to be "filled"
I felt like this with Hidden Inventory
We only had 4 episodes, as stated in the name of the 4 episodes
The entire of Geto’s descent was so rushed, and the entire time I was just flabbergasted at how they made him a mass murderer in like 3 minutes
Same with his relationship with Gojo, I like their story and you can tell they were close friends, but so many people glazed it like it was the best friendship ever when we barely saw them interact
Same with Riko, putting that sad backstory of "I’ve always been different" like 30 seconds from getting shot just felt so cheap.
@@montserratmarroquin400 RIGHT like gege throws us crumbs but then takes the bag away after and the anime having no filler only helps show how much development the story was lacking because having that underdeveloped stuff in a 20 minute timeframe for each episode it was probably hard for them having no way to genuinely space it out and while there's is no filler they had no choice at certain times like the mahoraga fight or sukuna vs jogo
@@yanim8s350 Filler is something that JJK certainly lacks, so many people praise it for not having that because it’s a "battle shonen" (cough ass excuse)
We never get an episode where Gojo, Yuji, Megumi, and Nobara hang out and actually interact
Same with HI, Gojo, Geto, Shoko, Nanami and Haibara were friends but we never saw them interact once
Also forgot to mention that Haibara just exists to satisfy Gege’s bloodlust
We saw bro for 5 scenes and then he died 💀😭🙏🙏.
@montserratmarroquin400 RIGHT 😭😭 it literally feels like aggrestukos last season it feels kinda half baked because any characters we get attached to die 3 EPISODES LATER 😭🙏
About the Nobara thing and the entire concept of chekhov's gun, there was in point in introducing Arata if Gege didn't plan for her comeback, especially with the way the story played out. Gege left the chekhov's gun dragged out for way too long it wouldn't make sense to not give any explicit mentions of her status for over 100 chapters if the outcome is that she's really dead.
Besides Gege had a very obvious pattern with the way her writes other characters deaths: they're all spelled out in crayon, so the natural conclusion to how Nobara's status was handled is that she's actually alive. If Nobara was meant to be dead then there's no purpose in conviently introducing a character with a CT that halts injuries right at a moment when everyone thought she will die. And the "But Arata could've just said that to give Yuji hope" is just a lame excuse to cover for Gege back there because Todo literally fullfilled that purpose, he also mentions in an interview post shibuya that Arata could do something about her condition and that he will surely do his best. That alot of tiptoeing for a character that was 100% gonna die!!!
And let's say the whole Arata thing was indeed only to give Yuji hope to keep fighting , we could've seen his inner thoughts about it, or show a scene post shibuya where he delivers the news and Yuji actually acknowledges Nobara's death properly and the rest of the series actually shows the weight of her death, but what we actually got is that the impact of her supossed death had the energy of a wet fart, no one actually talks about her, that now how you treat a main character. So yeah the natural conclusion is that she's indeed alive, the only issue is that it happened too late.
Jjk got tons of issues but this video is mostly just yall passing of your opinions as factual truths about how the series SHOULD have gone, and not even really trying to defend your points.
Again a lot of objective flaws in jjk but a lot of what you said here is like "I would have liked it better if x happened instead of y" also talking about stuff that isnt really objectively problematic and that you just wanted to be different.
I think the point is that MORE should've happened. Wether you agree with how he thinks it should've gone is different from being able to acknowledge this ending is rushed. With how many breaks, poorly drawn chapters, and many other statements from gege that if you deny that you're just lying.
whenever someone tells me "how a series SHOULD have done something" i am so grateful that person has no influence in how that product comes out lol.
@@nullakjg767do you not believe others could’ve written JJK better than Gege?
@@merikijiya13not some random youtubers, no😂
@@CertainlyCynical how come? Random UA-camrs could have better writing skills than published authors.
i noticed jjk will be terrible ironically at its best arc. the shibuya incident. why? because jjk was supposed to be a story about slowly discovering more and more of sukuna fingers via multiple battles. but lo and behold yuji suddenly fed like what... 10 fingers at once? shortening and rushing the story.
The story could be more than that but gege fumbled
“was supposed to” is a dumb statement to make. Jjk never promised to be a series about slowly finding the fingers, it’s ok if you wanted it to be like that but that’s not an objective flaw.
@@ozren8917 I feel what he meant to say was then that's what the show looked like it was gonna be about.
It wasn't really supposed to be that, but pretty much the entirety of season 1 was just that it was either side stories or conversations or just trying to eat fingers. Then we go to the Shibuya incident and all the sudden half the characters die. The surviving characters go through depression. We get some complicated storyline about how kenjo is actually the father or mother of itadori And choso It felt like it was all crammed way too much. All of that could have been spread out into like three arcs
tf happened to america and the president
This. Easily the biggest missed opportunity of the whole series. That not only would of been interesting to see sorcerer's from around the world but it would also add A whole new Dynamic to the power system and how people use Cursed energy in their respective countries. The American Scientist(Forgot His Name) Gave me A Dr. Abel from Tekken Vibe with how he Gushes over seeing Cursed energy
As far as I'm concerned, Nobara was in a coma until her status was revealed. She never died. Nanami died unambiguously but Nobara didn't. Her flashback and the story just told me she was about to die. And Nita just confirmed she was still suspended in that state.
I was definitely a Nobara is alive believer but regardless I'm just pissed she wasn't there for over half of the series. I'd be pissed if she was never confirmed dead. I'd probably still be a little pissed if she wasn't confirmed dead till the end of the series but that or bringing her back earlier would've been my preference. Also notice how Nobara wasn't in Gojo's train station scene.
I'm mad about the time skips. Gojo was booted from the story in Shibuya and when we got to see him in the present again we time skipped to his final battle. And that month time skip was fed to us through flashbacks for what felt like no good reason. I thought we were gonna get some interesting unreliable narrator stuff but nah.
25:42 100%. I was ok when we just knew she was chasing a bag but after that scene all I'm thinking is "This predator should be in prison". She's the shit stain in the series like Mineta is for MHA, Yuri is for Spy x Family, Makoto is for Saiki K.
32:00 Also be so fr Toji is still a deadbeat and him caring a tiny a bit about his kid being sold to the clan he hates changes absolutely nothing. I had no qualms with that and that gave him zero brownie points in my eyes. One thing about his character I thought was interesting was that he was turning his life around when his wife was alive and gave up after she died.
I think Kejaku's death was lame. Takaba should've killed him that would've been more interesting lol.
Bro I heavily agree on the Toji part, do people really think him saying a half ass line about Megumi means that he’s a good father?
I like Toji, but putting that ass line of "My kid is getting sold, do whatever the fuck you want" to Gojo is good? Homie couldn’t even remember who he was 2 episodes ago 💀.
Great video. I do like the chronological summary mixed eith opinion and writing critique. Also the Humor is on spot!
preciate it 💯🙏
@@RealistDY No problem, your channel is great for casual Anime fans like me who are not too deep in it. There truly is not really any other channels that approach Anime series like yours.
I'm still binging your library. ^^
i honestly had hope in JJK becoming something like a horror-esque series since that’s partially what Gege had intended. season 1 had scary/creepy moments and the concept of something like the shibuya incident is horrifying.
a lot of people will either point at Gege or at Shonen Jump and say its their fault but i think it went both ways. SJ kinda shot Gege in the foot by wanting to change his story (and thus fucking up his flow) but then Gege decided to just take the gun and shoot his other leg so he can leave the race
I said this months ago when he killed Gojo and everyone cried while we knew he'd bring him back in some form
IF this anime had a mid-2000s Toei budget, it would've NEVER gotten popular, the only reason it is popular is because of the stellar animation, the problem of the story being ass and making no sense doesn't matter when it's high octane visuals the entire time.
But you can't live on Prime your entire life without dying of lead poisoning you'll need something more substantial than just the insane levels of chemicals in it to live and JJK never had anything worthwhile in it, we learned this right after Shibuya where the entire premise of the story was lost in the self-sacrifice of Yuji to defeat a real evil.
I am laughing at how bad this ending is, there have been car crashes that aren't as abrupt as this.
Top selling manga of the year. Gege won regardless bro there’s no point in hating.
@@princechi1952 Dragon Ball is still relevant 40 years after it came out.
JJK will be forgotten by next year, when the anime finishes it'll be forgotten in a month.
It's not "hate" it's disgust for bad storytelling and development.
@@UncensoredScion no it won’t. Your comment will be forgotten🤣 you can not like the ending. Thats totally fine, it was indeed bad. But no one will forget the run jjk made and the records it broke.
@@princechi1952 Yeah I'm a nobody it won't matter what I think.
And you know being a nobody and someone who is INCREDIBLY petty, I'm going to bookmark this convo, wait a year and come back, then I'll tell you where JJK is, you'll get the notif and click it wondering what it's all about only to realise "!oh yeah that guy was 100% right and I'm just an asshurt loser who got upset that his spice of the month manga was roasted"
Oh and just one final thing., as you're a JJKtard let's hear your top 10 manga that you're reading atm.
I disagree. The story was good until gege fire his editor and started to write Culling games by himself.
Plus Gojo is a great character, made by Lucky (probally) but a memorable character. Who become bigger than JJK
JJK always been terribad, only fueled by shitposts and gojo
We were shown Gojo is lonely
“My one and only friend”
Do people seriously think someone who really cared couldn't write Jujutsu Kaisen better than Gege?
Sweet analysis
I saw a comment that said "JJK glazers would call you dumb for not reading bewteen the lines while they explain the story with their own headcanons" and the more I watch JJK the more I start to wonder how this series was ever called "peak shonen"
I think 20% of JJK’s downfall was the glazers well glazing this series soo much and acting like it’s the most tragic deep story ever
I remember seeing a bunch of character analysis’s videos on characters like Gojo or Geto and thinking that the characters were deep, only for me to watch the anime and starting to see that all this analysis is just people making shit up, don’t get me wrong they’re good analysis’s but man are they still making shit up
The most prominent example is Gojo being "lonely", we never see Gojo being lonely because he’s at the top, we do see that he does think of Geto fondly in JJK 0, but for the majority of the series we see that he enjoys beating curses
Same with people saying that Geto was soooo tragic only for him to become a mass murderer after his talk with Yuki which was like 2-3 minutes? It’s worse since I was really interested in how his character was going to get to this point but all I could think about when the village burned was how rushed and ass it was, same with his "friendship" (a little more than friendship) that he had with Gojo, I get they were close friends but we barely saw them interact apart from the basketball scene
The KFC breakup was glazed too, personally I was like "oh how sad, man this is disappointing"
People can have their headcanons and opinions but when they bring that to explain why the series is so good and revolutionary it just fall flat.
I just want to say…I really liked your video. I also loathed Higuruma’s comeback and Nobara’s return because they now make their “death” scenes meaningless.
thanks
Great breakdown!
The Shibuya Incident was the best arc in all of JJK, after that It was all downhill from there. Gojo was the character that made JJK good, but Gege shitted on him.
JJK is so apathetic about everything and everyone
It was a solid 4/10
Great video
🖤🖤
6 years for this shit. Waste of everyone's time truly.
ik you not deadass ending wasn’t great but it for sure wasn’t completely bad, shibuya was peak and the sukuna gauntlet had people at the edge of they feet every chapter no type of appreciation
I wouldn’t go that far. I enjoyed my time.
@@merikijiya13 be fr, if you watched the anime every episode of the shibuya arc was a high not one episode missed, and sukuna and gojo was one off the best fights in manga this year, mfs needa recognize greatness
@@egp2497 first of all why are you responding to me? I was responding to the original post commenting that it wasn’t a waste of time. Second just because something is visually hype or stimulating doesn’t mean it narratively makes sense. You could literally take out the fight between Yuji and Megumi vs that old guy and absolutely nothing changes. That’s a low point for me.
@@merikijiya13 pfftt mfs nit picking, that fight showed the significance of Gojos existence and how his birth shook up the jjk world and how bad things might be if he gets sealed and that old lady’s curse tech brought back toji and gave us that dope moment and it also shows how much they grew after shibuya beating they ass, so they were plot relevant and since when every bad guy shown up we gotta give af about them, you don’t know what you talking about
25:36 You forgot to mention the worst one here - Maki.
The first mess up was having Gojo exist, a powerful teacher that doesn't care about his job and hates on his elders. The most powerful man in history wins every battle with one shot and then walks off.
There's great characters with abilities that could have been interesting like hanami jogo And more these characters could have been great but the second they fight Gojo. They get whooped and made fun of these horribly field characters getting beaten by the same guy that has beat everybody else. Is it just annoying every battle that includes Gojo. Just ends with him destroying whatever sorcerer or curse is attacking him
Also going back to earlier I can't find any character interesting that has such a lazily developed plot. He's a teacher at a school that has other schools, but instead of making a character who specs his higher-ups to make it a more interesting rule following character (instead of the same generic rogue who can one shot) they just may get someone who blatantly disrespects everyone and pains. It is cool
I feel like I only need to use few words with this take. Why on this planet, Earth would gege make a character like mei mei My comment might get taken down if I say what she actually does. But why on Earth would they animate a scene of her and her own little brother flirting? This shouldn't exist. Who in the right mind even does that and then expects me to like the character. It's gross and shouldn't happen. Why on Earth has everyone just normalized it as a joke? It's weird why would anyone want that animated or in their series? It's not funny, it's just someone's weird fantasy
Well gojo vs sukuna fight without exposition wouldnt be as entertaining or make much sense. And also his death was executed well if we saw gojo with a suprised face we wouldve known he lost it wouldnt be a surprise it would be like he saw the attack and just couldn’t dodge. The fact that he had no reaction just gives more to the “offguard” aspect of WCS
I agree. It’s just like chrollo v hisoka. Sometimes I feel like people just don’t like to read *too* much.
it doesnt have to make sense cause that would almost feel intentional. maybe if it were other characters fighting then sure, but gojo and sukuna are both anomalies of the jjk world.
also i said if they wanted to explain it, have enough information for the readers before the fight even happens, that way the readers either A) have a vague amount of understanding to the point where they are able to put in the pieces together without the story having to do exposition dump, or B) have enough information to the point where they will fully understand everything thats going on
whatever it is, just dont bloat the fight with too much exposition and do more 'show dont tell'
@@RealistDY I agree with this also, I like having to think. I just also don’t mind reading. Fully understand your view.
So I agree with whatever you’re about to say because Gege is a bum and fucked it all up. I only watched to 1:35 and here’s what I will say (I not watching a hour of this btw) Jujutsu Kaisen was promising in the beginning the show all the way up until was showing signs of greatness however Gege fucked it up by writing off his most important character and doing this battle royale thing where he makes everyone fight for 100 chapters until plot actually happens and then he does the plot twist that leads to the most disappointing endings ever in manga. So I think Jujutsu Kaisen showed potential to be genre defining but Gege was a bih about everything and screwed everything up and fired all his editors trying to write a good story for yes men background artists.
Yo I really like your view on the manga bro, just wanna ask for mangas recommendation that actually have good writing (character development & world building). thankssss
Character engagements and pacing were its two biggest flaws.
That never changed but getting in through the anime I was hoping it pay off, it did not. Im sure the anime will 100% fix this to the best of their capabilities with what they are given as they have been doing.
Anyway I thing the video is being unfair, like it was waiting for jjk downfall, like it was never liked.
@@SemekiIzuio i mean, the signs were there
@@noonespecialtbh in the manga yes especially after Shibuya.
@@SemekiIzuio yep
I agree with everything you said except the part with Nobara.
Yes Gege did say that she's dead. Well not really i remember him saying that she's "in a bad place right now." Specifically.
But even if its true that he said that she was dead that does not confirm anything. Why?
Because why would the aurthor of the story just say, "oh yeah she's alive." Potentially spoiling the manga for her eventual return and getting rid of the shock factor he wants people to have? You never turst mangakas when they say these type of stuff about future events like character deaths because you dont know if they're lying not.
Even so he let her go out of the manga and made sure people thought she was gone because he also wanted that shock factor for when she did come back (even though i do think the writing there was bad because why bring her back at the like LAST chapters??)
He legit did that with every character, throwing everyone in the ring againts Sukuna.
Even if you personally liked the return of Nobara it doesn't change like fact that her coming back was one of the biggest plot devices in jjk.
Not only did she wake up at the prefect moment before sukuna activated his own domain. But inflicted so much damaged that sukuna couldn't recover from, allow Yuji to hit one more black flash.
It's too convenient writing. Gege wanted to end the series quickly.
@@lil_maho No i completely agree with you on that point. she should've died because showing her at the end just to fuck with sukuna WAS gege trying to finish it as quickly as possible and of course add it as a shock factor.
The only thing i really wanted to clear up was the fact that no, just beacuse the author said the character is dead, doesn't mean we should trust them on that front because look at what happend.
Ogga booga I’m the chosen one lol 24:15 😂
gojos isolation was literally always shown. he was born into the gojo clan where he was hunted since birth by assassins, separated from his parents, never had any meaningful connections with his family, placed on a pedestal, which resulted in his lack of emotional intelligence and moral compass. which he then relied on geto to become his moral compass. he was then shown what its like to behave his age and that childish persona stuck with him through his adult years. then geto leaves him and he has no one around him that understands him as a person anymore. he develops even more of a lack of identity because of how others view him. there are tons of themes intertwined with his strength like failure, dehumanization and as i just mentioned, isolation and identity crisis. these are all demonstrated throughout the story. also i dont know why you expect gojo to just suddenly despise geto despite everything he did for him.
isolation doesnt automatically mean loneliness. u can be alone but still not feel lonely. an anime that does a much better job at displaying the loneliness from being too strong is one punch man
JJK reddit honestly glazes Gege super hard for all the inconsistent bs writing he does. JJK is lightning in a bottle. Its too good to be true and it is because that mofo can't even manage his characters arcs properly.
Anime only fans have no idea the amount of disappointment that's coming lol.
Loose ends
plot holes
stupid deaths.
MAPPA has got alot on their hands to make something out of garbage
Ok Nobara , the issue isnt that she is back to life, which, yeah she is given a death scene and without any other sign , well narratively dead. And bringing dead in the story back at least should have a price.
Its terrible writing because he could have used, she was too far gone, and we made her a cursed doll, part cursed dull, some price? Seriously that could have ddone nothing with the dursed doll storyline if they thought they needed her technique and made her part cursed doll. Which he could have done or some cursed bit thats dark. If she is brought back with some dark consequences or, make her part cursed doll frankensteined?
Its the same why the people who straight up died in the last battle should have been at least mostly dead, it breaks the bit thats actually fun in the story, the edgy, you cant be edgy as hell and then just brin the dad back without consequences. That makes the end so bizarre, it undoes what the last bit has in engagement, the edgy rampage thats something , should have the dead , stay dead, if the were and part cursed doll nobara thats aproviate dark for an edgy, ok at the end all it had was the edgy and he did break that too?
And yeah the comedy fight was really good fleshing out the characters. The comedian and kenjaku explored as kinda bored mad scientist troll is really good, and them bonding is actually earned. Too bad kenjaku gets killed lackluster, but the comedy fight is amazing.
And agree if you add flashbacks before deaths, that makes it hard to invest if you , ok akame ga kill is selfaware and fun enough to not to have be taken too serious but JJK needed character explored before that there. Akame ga kill is fine wit htropey because, honestly ir is fun camp. JJK wants to be taken serious.
And i like the lawyer, but he should be ded which would fit with his he wants to atone character arc, and that gege is very edgy. And would fit.
Watched the anime season 1 two years ago, after the hype and thought it was pretty basic shounen. The concept are actually something i would enjoy but the execution was bad. Watch youtube videos hyping it up, how gege subverts expectations and troupes. One of the example is how nobara could handle herself and how well written the female characters were. As a female i value female representation in shounen. But what jjk did was like what should be the standard for female characters, they werent really special, especially after we know how all these female character were treated and sidelined in the manga. Bleach handled it way better. Watched season 2 when it released because i got spoiled each week and i loved the opening and liked gojo and the season 2 was so good that i started to read the manga. The whole time i thought "when will it finally get good?" Thought the aspect with american soldiers would be intresting but it went nowhere. I waited for the explanation about all the clans people talked about online only to find out "hey actually nobody knows anything about the clans and just deducting things from the breadcrums we are being feed." And before i knew the battle was over that was the final battle, manga is ending in 5 chapters and almost everyone is resurected for no reason, and vcharacters do almost not reflect on what happened makin it all lacking consequneces. Therefore the world building was terrible. Gege should develop concepts and fights and let the drawings and story hanle by someone else until he is skilled enough. For all the s*** and redcons naruto had, atleast we knew how the world somehow functioned and were shown it. While JJK talks about the world without showing it.
these criticisms are mostly made in incredibly bad faith lmao
sorry you feel this way, if possible could you tell us what you felt was in bad faith?
Excuses are done my guy. There is no future where any of this can be fixed and thus there is nothing we can asume in good or bad faith. We have the whole thing niw and the issues are there for everyone to see.
no it not
@@bencegergohocz5988 watch how Mappa studio make you, eat your own comments
It's been one month and bro hasn't responded to how it's bad faith
Agree heavily with toji’s character
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But he got aura... :(
@@zefem aura can’t hide bad writing
@@zefemtruly a man of aura
If only gege actually showed us his character depth earlier instead of right before he died😢
jjk was never as good as the hype portrayed it as
was it a fun read? yeah but gege really folded with 90% of the setups
FACTS
I'll give it a 7 not perfect but a very enjoyable series with characters i like and enjoy.
I would rate it higher if it wss longer and we spent longer with the characters but for what it was it was a good experience.
I will never agree with the take jjk is trash or bad I'll say that
god I wish jjk had an ending as good as hells paradise
jjk is just a mid or below mid show to me 🤷♂
@@RealistDY you seem to ignore that the fights were great (at times) and what was there was (kinda) enjoyable
I would love to see more of the characters outside of fighting
@@RealistDY you made a 1 hour video on a series you watched every week for years and call it below mid? what do you do for shows your like? give your body to the writers as a plaything?
Good critique dawg
I liked JJK as a whole. A solid 7/10 for me.
Had it been more fleshed out maybe I would rank it higher, but this is somewhat acceptable.
A few gripes I have with this are Kugisaki’s return (extremely poor writing choice, Akutami-sensei…come on!) and the lack of fleshing out the Culling Game. Had these two issues been taken care of then I would rank this as a 9/10.
This manga wasn’t extremely trash.
It was just extremely underwhelming.
This was okay.
But let’s hope Akutami-sensei does better, hey?
36:53 angel could have rejected the sorcers because in her past life all she was seen as was a tool to be used so when new sorcers come to use her as a tool once more she could have had inner conflict with hana due to her live for megumi
This video is hilarious because some of these "issues" are damn petty
44:56
Genuinely when I say this, readers view this shit in the dumbest way. This shit is not about what Maki, Yuta, Kusakabe, Nobara, fucking Ui Ui, or Miguel think, its about the moral beacon and immoral beacon connecting. Yuji speaking to Sukuna and trying to get him to connect is Sukuna's entire thing, he's never tried connecting with someone and he's never wanted to because of how he was treated in his life early on. You can say you don't like the theme of empathy and connecting with another's humanity, but you can't say its mid or written badly. It's consistently portrayed in the right way and its given enough emotional exploration to be a solid example of the theme written.
2.68/10. No, it is not QUITE .69, because this stupid series is a TEASE in the worst kind of way.
Written by a disgruntled millennial that has grown up on too many video games. I should know - I, too, am a diagruntled millennial that has grown up on too many video games. More than once, you can see the moments a stupid decision was made, or when they realised 'shit, we fucked up, plop a post-factum explanation page in next chapter', when they didn't give a sshit abiut setup (Sukuna's fire attack being explained first page of the chapter by the narrator), or when they were straight-up trolling (final two chapters).
There is no 'story' - it just consisted of TikTok-ready moments (you can practically hear the bassy phonk track in the background and feel your eyes do the blurry-shaky-slowmo-transition) glued together by paaaaragraphs and paaaaaragraphs of contrived explanations that hope to either bash you over the head with so many words that you hopefully give up, or hope to make you feel smart and superior if you do manage to read it all. Case in point - Hakari's three-page chart if how his stupid domain works... HE CHEATS! THAT'S THE POINT.
Speaking of which, the power system is ass - it was showing as early as Gojo v Jogo. The Domain Expansion, a power-up that makes you attack hit for certain (some big deal that turned out to be - I don't think a single character of any importance died to a domain), and a guy who LITERALLY CANN'T BE HIT BY ANYTHING. Some doozy those would be to write. Either you break everything and go full stupid, or you find ways to make them inconsequential. Obviously, it was the latter, considering at the end Sukuna managed to barely kill anyone - the aforementioned 'untouchable' guy with the most ass-pulliest of ass-pull attacks, that stopped being relevant after its first use, because against anyone other than Gojo it's just a regular-ass slash - and that flatbread Choso. By the way, our OC completely brainwashed and indentured two people into being eternally devoted to him to the level of being ready to give their lives for him at any point. Whatever happened there, I wonder... Also, I would like to bring to your attention to the fact that Gojo can, apparently, shrink people. Oh, and that stupid 'back door to the Prison Realm in the Marianas Trench' bit. That was dumb as shit.
Oh, but 'It's just a battle manga, bro, you are reading too much into it, just turn your brain off, elitist'. Suuure, only Gege and his team, who all obvously barely cared what they were putting out as long as the sales were rolling in, were also INSISTANT on trying to be 'cutting edge' and 'subversive', and 'phylosophical', and 'deep', and 'complex', and 'meticulous'. There are literal (and very forgettable) PAGES UPON PAGES UPON PAGES of characters SITTING AROUND and discussing strategy and motivations. If youre gonna put so much effort into presenting your material in a certain way, then it should also be critiqued on that same merit. Or lack there of. But they were great hitting the right spot - the lowest common denominator.
Finally, the characters are barely characters, and, frankly, most of the designs are bland, AND for most characters, they barely changed at all. Nanami taking his jacket off for a little bit was the best we got. Gojo and Geto getting different drip through the timeskip was fine, I guess. Besides that, it was minimal stuff. MC Yuji got NOTHING. Meanwhile, in One Piece, Oda is coming up with new looks for the Strawhats every damn arc. Luffy's got, like, 34 different designs. Ichigo has 15 friggin transformations. Naruto would upgrade his wardrobe everyone once in a while. And that's just the MCs. I'm not saying go full shonen, but how about SOMETHING? Yuji got jack-shit. Just those stupid flesh-gloves, and a scar that makes it look like he's constantly sticking his tongue out on the side. That bland fuck Megumi got fuck-all. Besides the eyepatch, Nobara has been wearing the same uniform since she was introduced and got popped in Shibuya. She probably smells. The side-cast got more care. Stupid brainless Demon Slayer has more flair.
But that's just it. Gege and Co. barely gave a fuck and it shows. The manga had a great premise, and it was given zero love by its creators. Glad it's all over.
Thank you bro. So much inconsistent writing. I really did enjoy JJK but mostly because the community was so active and fun. But the writing is legitimately bad.
Toji is the only character I admire
You definitely missed on Gojo’s character bruh; Gojo’s whole thing is the reshape and change the status quo of the jujutsu world and he needed to foster strong allies so they can be independent when he’s gone, not to fill any void in Gojo for satisfaction 😕really bruh? And yes Gojo felt lonely being the strongest in the hidden inventory arc because Gojo and Geto were considered the strongest so they could relate to each other and what transpired made him the strongest so he didn’t have anyone to relate to and he endured the title as the strongest for 13+ years do yk how lonely that would feel but ofc you would skip over that. It was even foreshadowed when Yurozu came into the story and how being overwhelmingly strong comes with loneliness so it was already established that Gojo felt that way
@@OkRoomer123- what are u talking about? i never said gojo wanted to foster the new generation to fill his void. i said thats something i heard ppl say and i literally countered that point by showing panels from the manga. and also, no, gojos loneliness was not properly foreshadowed. just bc u are stronger than everyone else doesnt automatically mean u are lonely. isolation also doesnt automatically make u lonely. and yorozu? bruh she came into the story at the last min, thats too late into the story
@@RealistDY everything transpired after the whole Geto conversation and they were on the opposite side, Gojo not only wanted to protect the weak but always foster and protect the younger generation so they can never have their lives and youth taken from them just like Riko and Gojo was the strongest after he mastered his limitless meaning there’s no one who can rival his strength like Geto could so that’s when the loneliness started bruh
@@OkRoomer123- u can explain as much as u want, but no explanation is going to change the fact that gojos loneliness didn't have proper build up. nothing implied he was lonely, not until gojo vs sukuna is when they said it for the 1st time
@ u just hating without properly reading the manga
@@OkRoomer123- im not hating, just being a realist 😎
Ive had problems since Shibuya tbh its a great arc but even that arc had some problems, i personally did not like Gege bringing back Toji as this mindless killing machine and his interaction with Megumi literally doesnt matter and even when Megumi knows Gojo killed his father he just laughs its hot air and felt genuinely out of place. I think its a problem Gege has with his characters in general all too often the main cast is side lined for random side characters its so frustrating. Gojo being sealed felt pretty cheap imo because he fought like an idiot dude can just wipe Hanami out of existence but doesnt kill Jogo or Choso who are even less durable btw. He also waste his 100 seconds killing Mahitos transfigured humans when prior we are literally told several times when encountering a curse or curse user who uses summons you just kill the summoner and neg all the summons. Also how is he even tired after this if hes got rct around the clock the only thing he should be feeling is ct burnout and even then we have seen people recover it arguably sooner than 100 seconds and im not talking about gojo and sukuna healing their brains with rct. Yuji can point blank dodge a surprise attack from a special grade grasshopper but cant dodge Choso pulling the same move like what 30 minutes later? That absolute clown that gets dog walked by Nanami somehow is fully recovered and is able to put Megumi so close to death he summons Moharaga instead of just using rabbit escape or any other shikigami keep in mind all that happened was Megumi got stabbed i know he used his pseudo domain twice now and got scared by Toji but other than that the kid should be more than fine. Theres just too much coincidence and contrived circumstances in what most consider to be the peak arc of the series it was no wonder the fall off happened. I will say when i was reading Shibuya as it coming out i also thought it was peak but once we got everything after shibuya i went back to reread because genuinely no way the fall off was just this bad right? And i was correct jjk has always had these problems but prior to the culling games the art was better quality, Gege really simplified his already sketch style of art in the second half i really dont like it, the fights were more satisfying, the narrative was far less predictable, and the philosophy like in Mahito vs Yuji is so much deeper than surface level, its crazy he literally tried to recycle the whole i am you Yuji did against Mahito with Yuji vs Sukuna, so bs Mahito and Sukuna are genuinely very different you cant just copy paste i couldnt believe what i was reading when the sukuna fight was ending i was genuinely like no way hes just doing the same thing again?
Megumi was with CE Burnout. He CANT sumon any Shikigami at that state.
Mahoraga is not his Shikigami then he can chant any time to make the tamming ritual.
I agree about Gojo in Shibuya. He should have killed mahito First
The grasshopper curse was a grade 2 curse, not Special Grade. Choso is a Grade 1 Curse User. The difference between the two should be night and day. As for megumi, I kinda get what you're saying? But I'm pretty sure clashing with a Special Grade's domain and then having to fight Toji is going to put a LOT more strain on your body as opposed to just opening it, which already drains him plenty. I can also see your point with Toji and I kinda wish he had a different response as well but Megumi never really cared about him all too much imo
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Megumi was in a CE Burnout. Even Sukuna and Gojo have to use RCT to use DE and keep fighting.
Megumi had to fight fricking Toji after opening a DE to Dagon
@@lain5858 Yeah, I know. I was responding to the other person
@@JDHominidIgnore the poster, he seems to not be very intelligent and hasn’t read the manga nor watched the anime, just watched through UA-cam reviews or shorts.
Is it safe to finally talk about the god awful “SLasH pOweRfUl eNouGh to biSeCt thE wOrlD itSelF” a lot of moves are just plot devices
@@itsyaboi921 Finally someone else mentions it. Although, to be fair, there is so much bullcrap in this series, so much bullcrap IN THAT FIGHT ALONE, that it's easy to forget.
Yes, that mightiest of slashy-slashes was complete dogwater. They played it up throughout the whole Sukuna cycle, everyone was pissing their pants abiut it, but Sukuna never fired off a second one. It is purely a plot device for them to kill stupid Gojo off. The moment he died the slash became useless, because all those other scrubs can die to a regular old slash. It was also the reason why Sukuna's 'power level' was all up and down during the fight - his slashes can kill Mahoraga when he was at 12-15 fingers, now at 19 his dismantles kind of just scratch up regular-ish people's sides.
Can we also talk about how in the SAME STUPID FIGHT it turned out that Gojo can shrink people with his domain? Like, is that just him? Can anyone do that? Why didn't they both just get crused by the domain shrinking down to a basketball? What are domains then, anyway - is it just an area you cut off, or is it a separate mini-dimension? If so, why would Sukuna EVER remove his domain's barrier? And how does THAT work IF domains are separate dimensions? But they aren't, since Yuji literally punched his way into Mahito's? So it's just a physical barrier... SO THEN WHY CAN FUCKING GOJO FUCKING SHRINK PEOPLE?!
@@6ftTiny216 I remember reading that at the end of the chapter and thinking huh the domain is the size of a basketball? But gojo and Sukuna are in the domain? Are they also tiny?
@@itsyaboi921 Apparently, since it Gota/Yujo did the same thing against Sukuna in their domain clash - they narated the crap out of how 'Yuta already knew Gojo's solution to Malevolent Shrine - the compressed domain blablabla' and there was a panel of them inside the shrunken down domain. So yes - for a bit there, TWICE, Sukuna and Gojo/Yuta got miniaturized to the size of action figures, I imagine.
You know, I had my doubts about the series ever since the first crack in the power system showed themselves was it revealed vs Jogo that Gojo is literally untouchable, and that domains give you a 'sure-hit' attack. Even back then I thought 'well, everything seems broken from the very get-go, so either these powers don't fit the scale of the series, or it's gonna be a bitch to write, cuz that's some buuuullsshit'. And when dit all atarted collapsing, I found new joy when Todo's vibraslap arm was introduced. So I started hoping for just more of that ridiculousness. The series was on the cusp of becoming 'so-bad-it's-good', but they insisted on it taking itself super-seriously till the very end, so they never managed to cut loose. It would have been a great finish if they just went all Guren Lagan / Fireforce - style at the end and leeeeeaaaaaned into the stupid. Sadly, it was not to be.
@@6ftTiny216 Well, he fired the second one to kill Kashimo and he made a giant fishing net world slash... which is another asspull in itself. Like, he can do that?
@@Chrysostomus_17 I wasn't quite sure if it was a regular attack or THAT one, but you are probably right. He probably had to binding vow away the use of his left nostril for that one.
8:50 a man of culture.
You have great points but some I think are a bit harsh. Getos exact last words weren't really screw those monkeys and I get that you weren't specific to prove a point but it does just show that he had genuine connections with the other sorcerers. I think his parallel of being a father figure to his comrades or leader is quite simaler to Gojo too. I do admit him killing his parents was out there but I guess he had to make those sacrifices and he was willing to. Plus we don't know his relationship with them so we don't know if it was entirely positive. Gojos airport scene to most wasn't necessarily heaven but rather his own personal afterlife vision/void. All the characters shown there were dead. Other characters have different afterlife scenes/voids which don't represent heaven. I think it's rational to assume everyone's afterlife is unique thus the toji being in heaven critique isn't that solid. Toji is barely fleshed out like you said and it's sad that he essentially went through that character arc/cycle twice, I will say they do try and further elaborate on him by saying Toji didn't kill the zenin clan on a whim. Which isn't much but says something about his character. But it's ridiculous that we have to make excuses and put puzzle pieces to justify his writing. Same can be said about Gojos isolation I feel like if you read between the lines you can come to that same conclusion that he wanted to foster strong allies to avoid what happened with him and geto. That he didn't want to leave anyone behind and give that burden to solely one person yk. Also I think the month training arc would've really elevated the stories character writing but I've come to accept that the show itself tends to focus on the plot and the openings focus more on the relationships even tho it's brief scenes it truly does add an extra dimension. It's just a shame we don't see it in the actual show. I lowkey enjoyed jjk a lot tho, flaws and all I think it was quite a "hype" show and if u love a good fight scene and just wanna watch for fun then I'd recommend it. If you like character writing moreso and development I'd recommend chainsaw man instead. Part 2 is crazy good too.
aye bro we love chainsaw man, reading part 2 and its fire 🔥
Some of these takes are……. worse than Gege’s writing 😭
good video
how did bro edit 50 minute video
just did man
Hopefully you get the views you want
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Megumi didnt say anything to Yuji about Nobara because of Sakuna....They literally told us they kept big aspects of the plan from yuji..................
@@TheMrBrown96 first of all what u said was an interpretation
and 2nd, the whole purpose of that segment of the video was me tryna explain why it wasnt unreasonable for ppl to assume nobara was dead from that panel of megumi saying nothing to yuji
lol honestly it’s a great ending if the final arc ends with a movie
I knew nobra would survive..Arata used his pain killer technique .. with the main girl dead how else is a writer going end a cracked anime.. peak fic
glazing starts at 0:00
i could not disagree more on the take of gojo vs sukunas fight, gege was clearly going for an atmosphere where the reader is placed not as an omnipresent spectator, but as a sorcerer in the room spectating through all the screens, this is so crystal clear that i don't get how you missed it, the exposition dump helps the atmosphere build up since it reinforced how neither you nor the characters know what the hell it's going on, and you are as much on the edge of your seat as they are, you truly feel like you are there with them watching the fight, its one of the coolest aspects of the fight, speculating as things happen. Now im not saying is perfect, cause It's nowhere near perfect, it did it had some pacing problems with said exposition, it was handled poorly since a lot of it got spit out to the viewer at the same time, instead of fed drop by drop, but saying to remove ALL the exposition and put it before the fight? That's what's called missing the whole point that the writer what's going for. The ending of the fight is garbage, so we agree on that at least.
I don't think the ending where gojo gets sliced in half is bad though. It might have felt cheap but that's the whole point. Sukuna built up world slash to use it in that moment. Gojo couldn't dodge it because he literally did not see it coming at him.
@@TopHatMurkrow i guess, the reason it felt cheap was because of the abrupt chaoter ending and cliff hanger with gojo "winning" only to be cut in half next chapter, also, gege glazing sukuna in the airport scene for no reason, making gojo say thing that he would never say in character.
If this show mid, then can someone recommend a show that's better?
Hunter x Hunter dragon Ball dragon Ball Z frieren One piece And a lot more
where are you man, Are you still alive?
yea still alive whats going on
Toji is the only good character man
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Nah mechmaru was the best. Man ,the fact no one thinks of how invaluable mechmaru is in the plot is absurd. He absolutely carried the tf out of everyone in everything even after death. His advice and communication were game changers. God his character was so wasted. Sukuna wouldn’t have survived any longer if kokichi muta was alive and kicking. Like his analysis of how to defeat his enemies was flawless.he just didn’t account that mahito ct burnout period is very very short for some reason like mahito DE was deactivated after mahito thought he killed mechmaru but then he got simple domained but because his ct recovered in like 3 s? He defeated mechmaru.
*Gojo and Geto.
Mechamaru was nice too but wasted
@@hyjjjkyikk3158 the only ppl who remember that mf are his fans 😂😂 nobody talks about him
This was and still is my favorite series. Gege fumbled so hard. I don’t know why he did this, it’s so sad
17:55 no the exposition was done well. With us being told Gojo’s outer shell is what was attacked WHEN it happened, was the surprise it was. When they talk about how many more spins is left leads us to unlimited purple and Gojo hitting black flashes.
the exposition isnt done well bc its exposition dump. exposition dump is never good in general especially during a climax. theres a way the story can do exposition without having to narrate and do internal monologues constantly. its called show dont tell
You guys are kinda just bitching if I’m being honest
damn well thanks for being honest
23:59 Alright you might be dumb here. The hidden inventory arc’s ending was the thing that shows us Gojo was lonely at the top lmao.
And 24:54 yeah this is just a dumb criticism, the characters are all in a cursed world where their actions are almost entirely forced upon them from the start and that nothing could’ve changed them as they were dealt with a “curse” at birth, Yuji literally talks about this and how next time he hopes Sukuna has others around to help him. This is a constant criticism among anime fans about anime villians but jesus, the manga literally tells us “yeah our curses are up to luck, what we become is forced on us. Let’s hope next time we have someone there to help us with it.”
Everyone effected by this theme: Geto, Gojo, Maki, Mai, Sukuna, Toji, Uraume.
not rly, it doesnt
and just bc ur actions are "forced" upon the world, doesnt change the fact that gojo is an idiot for riding on a man who killed his own parents and held the same condescending view on non sorcerers
@@RealistDY What the fuck are you talking about
@@RealistDY This doesn't change anything I said, you can think Gojo's an idiot, its a dumb criticism. You're not putting yourself in the shoes of these characters because you never been there or you just don't have the capacity to empathize/sympathize with them. You anime fans are abysmally bad when it comes to your views on immorally bad characters and those who still like them in the story. Just say you don't like the message/theme, no need to dislike the characters.
@@Rhenkei i can put myself in the shoes of someone and still acknowledge its a dumb thing to do. the story doesnt acknowledge this. if the story acknowledged it as flawed then yes, there would be 0 problems. not sure why u have to resort to being so condescending just to carry ur point across 🤷
@@Rhenkei and also i never said i disliked his character? not sure why ur putting words in my mouth on top of being mad condescending. i dont like an aspect of his character, that doesnt mean i dislike the character. making up false criticisms from someone just to prove ur point is kinda weird
Hasn't been a day lol get a job
W video
I think it's unfair to shit on it bc they couldn't keep up with viewer's expectations. The reason for its "fall" is because fans trying too hard to hype it into something else. Why would we "fans" tell our fav manga's writer what to do? And when anything unpleasant happened we took it as opportunity to sh on it, as if it's our pleasure. It's almost like fans are the ones responsible for its fall, and they put it all on Gege bc they clearly think of themselves as "better"
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I strongly disagree about the exposition dump during Gojo vs Sukuna. They were both so evenly matched that if not for the frequent explanations it would be next to impossible to justify how one managed to secure an advantage over the other without it. Also the exposition gave much needed context regarding the high-level techniques and cunning tactics they were employing.
u can have the readers understand whats going on without having to do exposition dump during the middle of the fight
@@RealistDY Not for this fight though. Remove the exposition and many readers would be constantly confused, as to how one combatant managed to get an advantage over the other. You may not have liked it, but the explanations were without a doubt necessary to maintain immersion.
@@taurusstudios5497 gege actually can. he simply wrote himself into a corner where he had no choice but to rely on exposition dump. instead of properly establishing the rules and worldbuilding prior to the fight, gege barfs up the info during the middle of a climactic moment. if gege did proper exposition before the fight, then yes, the readers wouldve been able to understand the fight without expo dump.
the readers couldve either put the pieces together as the fight went on, or the readers could understand everything thats happening without being fed so much exposition all at once
also the fight making 0 sense is not a bad idea at all imo bc gojo and sukuna are the two exceptions in the series. if every other fight was explained except for Gojo v sukuna, that would be cool in a meta way. if gege didnt want to do any exposition for gojo vs sukuna, i would not be mad bc its almost fitting in a way. not only that, but if there was 0 exposition, that would simply allow the readers to have their own interpretation on whats happening. that way, u have many different interpretations that can be discussed among fans. and the only reason why i would let this slide is bc gojo and sukuna are the exceptions
@@RealistDY Maybe that would've worked for YOU but not the audience in general. That creative decision would have alienated the majority of Jujutsu Kaisen's readership, as you mentioned before most fights prior to this one were chock-full of exposition, a trend that had been in place since Shibuya. These two characters were hailed as the strongest of their respective Eras without exposition detailing the exact techniques they employed and the exact tactics they devised, they'd be no proper justification as to why one is superior to the other.
@@taurusstudios5497 its not a matter of whether this works for me or if this works for someone else or if this works for the majority. this is for the sake of doing "show dont tell" and this fight did a terrible job in that department
Amazing video. Tell me, if Gege gave the seires another 100-200+ chs to develop the characters, world, power system, ECT, how good do you think the seires would be?
Also, isn't it weird that super popular battle Shonen tend to be rushed af? Why can't y'all be like my poor baby Undead Unluck and have like 50 mini arcs for developing its cast and world? Fuck VIZ for encouraging these mid ass best selling series by eliminating hidden gems because they're not selling fucking tens of millions 🤬 and just before its end at that!
maybe not 200+ but gege should've added a lot more chapters especially before the shibuya arc. if he ended up fleshing out a bunch of characters, did actual setup, it wouldve been a lot better. also gege could've trimmed down a bunch of chapters where he would have characters fight NPCs. gege needed to find a good balance bc his pacing is often either too slow or too fast, but i feel like gege doesnt care if his writing is flawed or not, he just enjoys the element of surprise
and yea its kinda weird shonen be getting these underwhelming ass endings. somebody must have these mangakas family hostage or some sh** cause this is crazy 💀💀
An alright video and I don't even like jjk anymore, but some of these criticisms are just straight ass. It's like everytime you see a plot twist "Oh that's bad writing". You're criticizing that mechamaru and Toji are reintroduced to the story and nobara being reintroduced like they are the same thing (Keep in mind I wanted her to return but I do not like how it was done). Mechamaru's "return" were dying messages to help his companions in a last ditch effort, we already known he can control his puppets remotely, so thinking he can impart some final words doesn't need to be foreshadowed to make sense. That's not a return. Toji is just killing machine as described in the story, again, not a return, because he only gains his last shred of humanity when he sees his son. So treating it like they are at ALL the same as Nobara is just dumb. They are still dead and the impact people felt from their deaths is still there. If you didn't notice Gojo's character arc about his loneliness as the strongest, I straight up just don't think you paid attention. It was set up in the flashback how gojo lost the only person he understood him and that's why he cares about geto so much. Because THEY together was the strongest, evidence is their last conversation before jjk 0. Geto had a slow descent because he had to grip with the fact that he WASN'T strong. Geto was jealous of Gojo's power and his refusal to use it for something more. It's one thing if you don't find it compelling or well executed, but to say it ain't there is just wrong. I straight up disagree that Hikari is mid, he's awesome, just because he's simple doesn't make him bad, so is toph from avatar and they are pretty much in the same boat. The fighting, I agree and also disagree, I agree that we don't need to see so many reactions, but to just walk through the action without understanding the nuance of what's happening in the fight is just dumb. We need the dialogue to understand why what's happening is crazy and to keep tabs on things that we aren't necessarily thinking about. The domain clash is more impressive with the explanation, the remote purple is more impressive and big brained with the explanation, the description of how the character's feel is also important Imagine if this was said for something like saitama vs garou or Hisoka vs Chrollo, it's just a dumb thing to say. Saying that Gege should just have skipped all the explanations and people should just watch the action without understanding anything is just a boneheaded comment. I don't care for your opinions on resurrection implying that those who want a character resurrected don't care about good writing as if it's always bad when it isn't, just makes you come off as a know it all, smartass. Also if you yourself admit that how Gojo was taken out was ass, then bringing him back WOULD make sense. Other than the stuff above, I more or less agree with everything else aside from how many times you think it's just pure plot armor or a lot of the nitpicking you do. Such as that a character can do something we haven't seen them do before is somehow just plot armor as if there's no logical explanation for it. One thing you should've mentioned is badly the power system is handled and how mid it really is. It only ever feels fully explored by like 4 characters and I am not a fan. Keep moving dude
thanks for the criticisms and for watching the vid however let me address some points u made🖤
mechamaru's return being dying messages doesnt invalidate the fact that he was brought back into the story when the story led u into thinking mahito killed him, meaning his death against mahito doesnt have the same emotional value in retrospect
toji being a killing machine doesnt invalidate the fact that the story brought his character back to give him another moment especially when u have that scene of him offing himself in front of megumi after finding out he didnt take the zenin name. his character was already concluded in the hidden inventory arc and the story came up with a random way that was never fleshed out in the entire story as a way to give him a moment with megumi which proves that death doesnt have too much meaning in jjk so theres no point in trying to take anyone's death too srsly bc of the possibility that they're gonna have another moment later in the story. the impact ppl feel from their deaths is not the same anymore bc that final conclusion is no longer a conclusion. i have already acknowledged in the video that technically speaking, they were not resurrected but im talking about from a character writing point of view and the finality of a character's last moments
if ur using jjk 0 as evidence, u are already burying yourself a hole to defend the story bc jjk 0 is a separate story with a chronology thats all over the place in relation to the overall plot. its very possible to read jjk from ch 1, or watch the anime and skip the movie. but lets be nice over here and pretend jjk 0 is an absolute requirement/prerequisite before watching jjk despite its clonky chronology, theres nothing in jjk 0 that tells or shows or makes the implication that gojo was lonely for being the strongest. these are merely interpretations from the readers without any concrete evidence. just bc other ppl dont quite understand u, that doesnt make u lonely bc u can still form genuine relationships and good bonds with others, so the logic of gojo losing geto isnt enough to give the implication that gojo was feeling lonely. an anime that does a much better job at showing a character who feels lonely for being too strong is one punch man. the story actually dives deep into saitamas feelings and his blank face and makes it clear to the audience that he feels isolated for not finding a worthy opponent. this is not done for gojo's character. im not saying the author has to hold my hand, but he needs to show me the road. unfortunately, gojo's character was not thoroughly explored throughout the series and was instead done in a way that was incredibly fast paced/
i never said hakari was a bad character, i just said he was mid. hes not bad nor good, hes just mid. he doesnt have too much depth to his character, he doesnt get as thoroughly fleshed out with the amount of screentime he has compared to other characters like takaba, higuruma, and yuji. and i never said he was a mid character due to the simplicity of his character. simple and complex doesnt automatically determine if a character is good or not.
u dont need the dialogue to understand what gojo and sukuna are doing is crazy. a story does not need to remind or do exposition dump to the readers to keep tabs on things they're not thinking about. a lot of times, stories can have preestablished rules or information that the readers can connect the dots to on their own without the story having to feed them the information. if the reader missed out on stuff bc things went over their head, or bc they couldnt keep tabs on what they shouldve been thinking, thats moreso the reader's problem and not the story. now unfortunately jjk is a series that doesnt properly flesh out its power system before its climactic points of the story, which is why u come to this situation where gege has to flesh out and explain whats going on with heavy exposition dumps during the middle of a climactic moment. i also provided 2 possible options for gege to make gojo vs sukuna much more tolerable: i said either flesh out the power system before the fight even begins so that the readers are able to put in the pieces by themselves OR just dont bother explaining it. and the reason why i said this was not a bad idea is bc gojo and sukuna are anomalies themselves. so having an exception for just these 2 characters and deciding to not give them explanations would fit with the nature of these 2 characters. both of my options leads to the readers making their own interpretations on whats going on, although the 2nd option obviously leads to much bigger interpretations, however i think this is much better than to horribly execute the pacing of the fight when gege simply couldve made an exception for gojo and sukuna. as a matter of fact, gege could write down what was happening in a bonus page to confirm the readers interpretations. just bc the explanations make it more "impressive" does not excuse the poor execution of the writing. if gege decided to have yuji gain the sudden strength to explode the entire galaxy by giving a 5 page essay trying to explain why and how he was able to do it, would that excuse the writing simply bc the explanation makes it much more impressive since the readers are able to understand the nuance and complexities of how yuji was able to perform such a feat? no it wouldnt bc the execution is terrible. ive never read saitama vs garou or hisoka vs chrollo but an example of a good fight that doesnt get interrupted by exposition dump, narration, and internal monologues on the powers is naruto vs sasuke. from the readers perspective, we understand everything there is to know about their powers and are simply seeing how these characters are using the established abilities in creative ways that dont require all that exposition. ofc jjk's power system is much more complex but thats not an excuse for gege to do horrible execution. and i never said ppl should watch the fight without understanding it. i said gege shouldve made it so that ppl would watch the fight and make their own conclusions on whats going on by interpreting the fights through its art
there is never a well written moment in a story where it convinces you or presents to the audience that a character is given a sendoff/conclusion with their death and then brings them back without any prior foreshadowing. if u have an example of a story that does this in a well written way, i would like to know
me thinking gojo's death was poorly executed does not equate to the story needing to bring him back. its like ripping a piece of paper into a million pieces to then try and glue it back hoping that the paper would be back to normal. once the damage has been done, its too late
as for the power system, i didnt even care too much if it was poorly written or not bc at a certain point, it was useless in trying to actually get invested into it when the execution was going to be trash. but i did kinda go over how the writing was bad for the power system when i was talking about gojo vs sukuna and sukuna vs everybody.
something having a logical explanation does not excuse asspulls or bad writing for that matter. if i wrote a story in a world with no aliens, and 80 chapters later i have an alien teleport to planet earth, writing an explanation afterwards wouldnt fix the bad writing when there is 0 setup
if u barely read any of this, thats ok just leaving it out
@@RealistDY I read what you had to say but it's still wrong. And they are wrong because they ARE dead. Mechamaru DID die, so there was no misdirection. What you're saying happened DID NOT HAPPEN. Toji's story DID conclude. It's like getting angry that Jiraiya left a message on the frog and Naruto reflects on his words when talking with pain Or nighteye with Mirio. Mechamaru's last message was to the classmates he formed a bond with and just serves as another conclusion. So i don't understand why that makes you think his other just gets cheapened in the process. You think that Asuma's resurrection in the great ninja war took away from his death and shikamaru's character? If so, I don't know what to tell you because that's just not true. Again Toji getting brought back was a decision that stripped of all of his being away. That moment was not meant to develop his character because he isn't actually revived, it was reinforcing what was established at the end of the flashback, that he does love his son and megumi is the reason he retained his humanity. It's not resurrection, so treating it like it is just a false equivalency, which means it's just a bad take.
You straight up did not read what I said about jjk 0, I didn't use it as evidence. I said the last conversation BEFORE Jjk 0, as in the end of the flashback. I didn't say jjk 0 itself, and it was one piece of evidence. Other evidence includes his motivations, he hated the jjk world because it punished people with potential, who wished for people attain strength similar to him, it's laid out pretty clearly that he wants his students to approach and understand him the same way geto used to. which is why he never killed the higher ups, another piece of evidence is Gojo's very power which doesn't let anyone who isn't on his level approach him. The infinity represents his relationship with other people, he's untouchable in all ways to friend and foe. So once again, if you don't like it that's one thing, but it is there for reader's to find.
As for hikari, that's just personal preference, not every character needs to be multifaceted and dimensional, he has a good personality. He's like Kenpachi, Inosuke Leorio or Toph characters that aren't all that deep but with a good personality and characterization even if they are mostly static. Again this is just a personal opinion so pay it no mind, I just disagree.
Ok, the fighting, So to start you chose a very poor example of naruto vs sasuke, the power system of naruto is not only far simpler, but naruto and sasuke don't play with the fundamental principles of the power system the same way Gojo vs sukuna does. The domain expansion is a finishing move in the jjk world, so when they clash domains you'd think that's the end of the fight, without the explanation, how would you possibly know that infinite void gets destroyed from the outside because Malevolent shrine is a barrierless domain? That's an explanation that plays on the reader's expectations, but then when the NEXT domain hapoens, there's no way you're gonna know that gojo could shrink and expand his barrier ON TOP of turning it inside out. That's what I mean by "describing how impressive the actual action is". Those are the explanations i'm talking about, the ones that require intricate knowledge of the system. I guarantee you most people don't understand how the ring on maho's head works. That's required to express the level of mind games and tactics. NO ONE has ever used reverse cursed technique on their own technique to restore it so how would anyone know how absurd that sounds if it's not explained, Hxh does this all the time and the fights are compelling stuff. Your example of Yuji using a galaxy busting attack is another false equivalency because I'm not talking about flipping the power scaling on it's head, i'm talking about flipping the system and utilization on it's head. We as the audience know what the standard rules are, so understanding how the standard is changed is what makes it compelling. I already agreed that he could've inserted the commentary better, I disagreed with your recommendation to just look at the fighting and ignore all other context.
I don't what you watched or played, but a character in Shaman king, D.gray man and the trails series all do what you just described well. Hell even kakashi did this and was brought back to life in the pain arc. Also the reason I brought up you not liking his ending is because THAT'S WHY some may want him back not because "They don't care about stakes" maybe they want their character to be done justice. That's all that was meant to say, and you say him being brought back would mean it's with no explanation when there are avenues for him to be brought back, such as his head not being cut into a 4 by 4 and not seeing his decision at the airport (unless we did and I just forgot). I don't care whether he comes back or not but I disagree with your point painting people who DO want him back in a negative light.
To address your last point, that's an oxymoron, if there is a logical train of thought to an event in a story then that makes it not an asspull, it's also not an asspull if it's narratively earned as well. Maki's powerup is not an asspull. You can argue it's a retcon but it ain't an asspull. Yuji gaining new skills to fight sukuna isn't an asspull, Gojo surviving against toji when he is the new center of the jujutsu world, isn't an asspull. So that's just wrong, but that ain't even to say asspulls don't exist. It's just about understanding the distinctions and as for your example, That's just a terrible example, you realize that that's the plot of dragon ball right? lol. There's such a thing as mid series shake ups that change the landscape of a show as well. I get what you're trying to say, a story shouldn't be random, but it's about execution of an idea or retcon or shakeup to the landscape. Just because we aren't privy to all knowledge doesn't mean that when we're introduce to an idea suddenly means it's an automatically bad idea. I still think jjk is mid though, don't get it twisted it fell off precisely after shibuya, yes it was flawed before that yes, but these criticisms are not ones I agree with and it was good and entertaining to that point.
@@TrueReverse74 i already acknowledged that the characters died both in the video and in my comment so im not sure why ur trying to tell me these characters died when i have already acknowledged that. my point is going over ur head cause ur not even addressing my actual complaint for ur whole defense. the examples u provided with naruto and nighteye have 0 correlation with the criticisms i have bc jiraiya and nighteye's characters were not brought back again to have another moment. other characters acknowledging a dead character and their words is not the same thing as a dead character being brought back to have another conclusion when the story already concluded their character and had 0 foreshadowing that they would have the capacity to come back later in the story. u brought up edo tensei and edo tensei is one of the worst plot elements of naruto. it was fine in part 1 when orochimaru used it on hashirama and tobirama bc A) those 2 characters were never fleshed out and were pretty much NPCs in terms of the reader's emotional attachment towards them, and B) edo tensei was fleshed out as an ability that made them zombie like, so they werent actually them. this all changed in shippuden bc they started giving asuma and itachi actual character moments with other characters so the aspect of them being zombie like is completely stripped away bc now the story is actually giving these characters that already had a conclusion, agency to push for another conclusion when we already thought their characters were completely finished forever ago. if edo tensei made the characters zombie like for the whole entire show, then that would be perfectly fine and wouldnt cheapen their original deaths bc they literally dont even have the same personality. this is similar to toji's resurrection. if toji was a killing machine for the whole entire time, that wouldnt have cheapened his original death bc this means absolutely nothing for his character. but then the story decided to have toji come to his senses at the last moment and have him develop his character. so if u believe that itachi's reanimated corpse talking to sasuke, and toji talking to megumi were scenes that meant a lot for BOTH of their characters, then u urself have to acknowledge that the story brought their characters back for another conclusion, and that any time you see a character die in both of these series, u should always have doubt that they will never come back again. if u believe toji's conversation with megumi did not develop his character, then u believe that that scene means absolutely nothing bc the only thing that that scene did was develop toji into earning the satisfaction of knowing his son didnt adopt the zenin name.
gojo hating the jjk world is not evidence that he was feeling lonely. it has never been laid out in the story that gojo wanted his students to understand him. i already said in my video that gojo wanting his students to become strong was to take over the rotten jujutsu society bc he thought the higher ups were all scum, nothing in this makes the implication that he was feeling lonely. gojo's infinity is not implication that he was feeling lonely for being too strong. if the story wanted u to know that gojo's infinity represented his loneliness, the story did a horrible job bc theres nothing that implies that, so any interpretation that those elements represented him being lonely is headcannon bc theres no solid evidence to support that
i never said every character needs to be multifaceted and be fleshed out, but every good character needs to and hakari is just not one of those characters and thats perfectly fine. its fine if a character is mid and hakari is just one of those characters. neither bad nor good, hes just cool
i already said that naruto's power system isnt as complex as jjk, ur missing the point. the point is that a good fight shouldnt have to interrupt the pacing with exposition dumps, and jjk having a complex power system is not an excuse to let that slide. domain expansion is not a finishing move in the jjk world, this has been proven multiple times in the story. mahito's domain did not work on nanami, it didnt work on yuji. jogo's didnt work on gojo. higurumas didnt work on yuji. so from a reader's perspective, the idea of a domain expansion being the finishing move shouldnt be on the reader's mind bc the story has proven multiple times that just bc its a domain expansion, u shouldnt think thats the end of a fight. u keep saying how are the readers supposed to know and thats the whole point of interpreting something. nobodys answer would be right bc the story doesnt confirm it, however this would be able to create a lot of discussion and the readers would all have different ideas on whats happening in the fight. u also ignored me saying gege could literally write what happened in a bonus page and this would confirm ppl's interpretations, and the reason why i say this can work for gojo v sukuna is bc these two characters are considered the exception in their world. u can describe how impressive something is without having to explain it. u also ignored my other option on how they couldve properly fleshed out everything before the fight happened. my example of yuji using a galaxy busting attack serves my point bc it proves that having an explanation to show the intricacies of whats happening doesnt make things better. you said it yourself that the explanation made it more impressive, and u were using it to justify the writing which is why i used an extreme example to show that that logic is flawed. i also never said to ignore the context, i said the readers can make their own interpretations by looking at the art. thats not ignoring context, thats using whats visually depicted to make your own conclusions
never watched shaman king or d gray man but kakashi being brought back is one of the worst written scenes in naruto. this is another example ur providing that shows a series where death loses its emotional value. if i wanted to be petty, death in naruto became meaningless the moment neji and choji were confirmed they were alive in the sasuke retrieval arc even though the story depicted it as them dying. if we were to ignore this and pretend it never happened, the show does it again with pain having the ability to restore everyone back to life which came out of nowhere, bc kishimoto wanted ppl to feel a sense of loss for the villagers of the hidden leaf and feeling of closure for kakashi's character when in reality all of those feelings were manufactured bc nobody died and kakashi's character wasnt concluded. u keep bringing up examples and expect the argument to change when these examples u provide have the exact same flaws as jjk. ppl not enjoying the conclusion of gojo's character is a reason why some ppl want him back, not justification. i already pointed out in my previous reply, that once the damage has been done, u cant undo it. u cant just glue a torn sheet of paper and expect it to look good. ppl who genuinely wanted gojo would come back is proof that these ppl dont care about stakes, bc if they truly cared about stakes they wouldve accepted gojo's death whether or not they think the execution was bad. just bc something is poorly executed, that doesnt justify the story to dig another hole by bringing them back. gojo's death is supposed to give u a sense of loss from his fight with sukuna. that is whats at stake, gojo's life. so if the story is trying to convince the readers that gojo is having a sendoff, then the story completely failed in doing so bc ppl are now having doubt when the story never wanted u to have any doubt. this is an example of the boy who cried wolf. now the author loses trust from the readers and scenes that are supposed to impact the readers in a particular way is completely altered and being interpreted in ways that are not intended to be interpreted that way
@@TrueReverse74 logic does not determine if something is an asspull or not. asspulls can either make sense or not make sense. an asspull is when something happens in a story with 0 foreshadowing. that is what an asspull is. this works both ways, something can be foreshadowed with 0 explanation. just bc theres no explanation, does that make it an asspull? no, if it was properly foreshadowed, then by definition it is not an asspull. now that still wouldnt make things well written bc theres 0 explanation. ur addressing my last point as an oxymoron bc ur applying logic in the definition of asspull when the actual word doesnt consider the factor of there being a logical explanation. that is the whole point of the example i used with the aliens. just bc i was able to provide a logical explanation on why aliens existed, that doesnt excuse the fact that i implemented aliens in a story that doesnt have any aliens with absolutely 0 foreshadowing. this is ur own personal perspective that tries to define what is considered an asspull when the actual word itself isnt that. ur applying ur own criteria on what is considered an asspull when the actual definition defines it as the author pulling something out of thin air with no proper set up. an explanation is no good when there is 0 setup. now that i have provided the actual definition and criteria of an asspull, then yes, maki's powerup, yuji's abilities, gojo surviving against tojo are all considered asspulls. why? bc there is no proper setup for any of those. if gege dived deeper into how maki's heavenly restriction worked in relation to her sister, then its not an asspull. if gege fleshed out the 1 month training everyone had, fleshing out all of the powers and abilities they were working on before they had their final fight, its not an asspull. if gege added sprinkles that gojo was going to learn rct at a critical moment like death, then its not asspull. and u said that my example is pretty much the plot of dragon ball. what exactly is dragon ball supposed to do with this argument? dbz is a poorly written series with constant asspulls. dbz literally fits my example bc its a poorly written show, so im not sure if ur using this to counter my example or if ur using dbz to support my argument. i never said we needed to know all of the knowledge before we're introduced to a new idea. i said we needed sprinkles or hints. sprinkles/hints/breadcrumbs is not ALL knowledge, that is simply foreshadowing. u can either share ALL of the knowledge or SOME, but having NONE just leads to asspulls and jjk constantly shared NO knowledge for many elements of the story
@@RealistDY At this point it's a matter of preference so i'm not gonna argue with you further, You're just blatantly wrong about what an asspull is, an asspull in writing is a hastily fabricated or contrived plot twist, when there is a logical explanation for an event happening and can be reasonably justified within the plot that makes it NOT an asspull. Gear second ISN'T an asspull when luffy fought Cp9 because it can be reasonably justified that luffy can pump his blood even though that not something anyone ever thought he can do. That's what i'm trying to tell you, as for edo tensei, In no way shape or form did asuma's return, take away from his previous conclusion. That's a you problem and you aren't addressing what I'm saying. You're mindlessly spamming negative terms. If you honestly think Kakashi's return after pain invasion was terrible then you're just hating, that's all I can say to that. Because Kakashi made peace with his father and we continue to understand why he's been depressed for the entire series and he gained another conclusion with Obito. That's 2 great conclusions to 2 parts of his character. Symbolically he healed his events and both moments do an amazing job of helping us understand Kakashi's character. The events still happened and the effect on the characters still happened and that's what is important. There's nothing wrong with reinforcing the impact that a character has on others. Itachi is considered all the more brilliant of a character because of hid follow up with saauke, People appreciate what those moments for the characters who are alive. The reason I'm telling that them being used in the story after their death is because you seem to be under the impression that a character can only conclude once which is false. No Toji's 2nd death did not add to his character it REINFORCED WHAT WE KNEW ABOUT HIS CHARACTER. That is 2 different things but itachi's death did give sasuke a new perspective on things so it did add to itachi's character and no, I don't have doubts about another character's death just because somebody else got resurrected, that's such a bizarre thing to believe. No one thinks Ace or Whitebeard is coming back from death just because Pell survived it's nearly the same circumstance. I don't think the samurai are coming back just because luffy did. No one thinks Obito is coming back just because Orochimaru survived. If you have that expectation when the circumstances can't be repeated then again, that's a you problem. I've never had that problem. Also, If you don't wanna believe the signs of loneliness in Gojo, fine, I ain't gonna try to convince you, but the signs are there if you just pay attention.
Why you keep going back to hikari is beyond me, I said that it's personal preference and I find it funny that you said that "I never said that every character said that every character needs to be multifaceted" and then in the very next sentence you said they do. So you do think they need to be a nuanced take on the human condition to be a good character, that's why we agree to disagree.
I'm not going to go over the fights when I already told you, what I think. Not every twist in a battle is an asspull, and the author can afford to give us some explanation to further clarify what's happening, it happens in one punch man, it happens in HxH, it happens in Naruto, and yes it is better in those shows, I'm specifically denouncing when you said just to read through the action.
The point of me bringing up dragon ball, is that it did EXACTLY what you said would be bad in a story and is still a great story. An alien (Raditz) comes down to earth after like 200 chapters of martial arts tournaments and saving the world. Dragon ball is a great story with plenty of good to be had. There are good and bad ways to do resurrection and like I said in the first comment and you seem to think it is all bad so i'll tell you again. No it isn't and we can agree to disagree.
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Ngl, Gojo's death was in doubt because look what we had with Nobara, Nobara got a backstory chapter, got a death scene, had Yuji cry about her, Megumi implied she died, Gege said she died, and yet she's back. So yeah its dumb but it makes sense people hoped Gojo came back.
Yap yap yap, JJK CANNOT fall off, you do not understand it is too deep rooted in the anime community, I agree it isnt THAT good in reality BUT the amount of hype you get reading/watching JJK the amount of just pure memes and aura characters from JJK got is just on a JJBA level. Also probably one of the only series which I can turn off my brain and just enjoy it from episode 1 to S2
huh? we literally said jjk never fell off wym 💀
@RealistDY I'm jus agreeing with you bro 😭
True like the demon slayer community is literally still alive even after the manga ended 😭
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The high points were crazy high and showed this series had a real potential for greatness. Unfortunately Gege didn’t have worldbuilding or character developing to flesh out the world of JJK and give it some depth high on his list of priorities. Shibuya was the best complete arc. Culling games was ehh but Gojo vs Sukuna built back up the momentum before fumbling in epic fashion. The shinjuku guantlet afterwards starts off neat but gets worse the longer it went on. 6/10 Gege when I catch you 😤
Edit: switched score from 7 to 6 upon rereading the series.
I mean yeah. It was a series where the author knew how to make cool as fuck fights, a cool power system, and characters who have aura. When it came to the story writing, JJK was painfully mid. It had some promise with the things Gege set up but we all (or at least you should have) knew Gege does not care about world building or fleshing shit out. People just kept getting blinded by their own ideas for what COULD happen rather than realizing what WAS happening. It's the same with the character relationships. The fans made up a lot of ideas for how close everyone was and then when Gege showed that the characters were not really that close, people lost their shit. I am referring to Gojo and how nobody seemed to care he died at the end. Gojo is NEVER showcased to be that close to anyone besides Yuta and Geto (and KINDA Yuji). "OH, what about Megumi" even that relationship is never shown to be more than "Gojo is his benefactor and teacher", but a lot of people filled in this whole lack of dynamic with "AH GOJO IS HIS FOSTER DAD" when that was never the case.
I give this series 4 Kagurabachi Out of 10 Kagurabachi. It tried too much to be e like Kagurabachi. Although it do got that Swag. Gay² never shouldn't copied kagurabachi that much and failed so badly smh.
Jjk was First. Its from 2018
@@lain5858 Nah Kagurabachi was before the Big 3. Kagurabachi raised series like DBZ and Kenshin. It's the grandfather of all the anime and manga. Show more respect would ya?
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@sakamotoverge3194 here I am documenting the new birth of the toxic kagurabachi fandom
oh damn we got a bachibro here
Like... I wished so badly for a Sukuna flashback😭
I wanted so bad to see how Sukuna mastered his techniques and stuff
at least u have the final chapter 🤷
The inconsequential nature of the constant revives ruined most of the show for me. I absolutely agree with your opinion on Toji as a character as well.
The first season was great and pulled me into the show since it's rare to see a Shonen take itself and the themes of death seriously.
Then the shibuya arch came and the Geto reveal happened which killed most of the show for me. Geto was such a strong character that is actually relatable and then they just throw him away and exchange him for a cookie cutter "brain monster".
It was such a huge disappointment that I had trouble sticking to the end of the shibuya arch.
Mahito is also one of the weakest villains I've seen which is ironic considering how much presence Sukuna and Toji commanded on screen. This furthermore made the fights with Mahito seem inconsequential and sadly boring no matter how great the animation and fight scenes were.
Ultimately JJK disappointed me not because it's a bad show but moreso because it had such a strong start but turned out ultimately just meh.
U say that it got mid from a pretty early point but that's wrong. IT WAS ASS FROM THE START LMFAOOO
Hey you know how Yuji turned out to effectively be Sukuna's son-nephew-twin? Yeah, remember how thia whole thing started and he actually just ate that first finger on pure accident?
Megumin lmao
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