How Celeste's Mirror Temple Creates Fear

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  • The Mirror Temple in the mountain climbing platformer Celeste is an fantastic example of how a game can tell a story through its gameplay. It's easy to create cut-scenes and direct a game like you would a movie, but the brilliant part of video games is that they are a medium to experience the story, not just watch it. The mirror temple illustrates this brilliantly, and its the topic of today's episode of Forging the Level.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 699

  • @cptin
    @cptin 5 років тому +3029

    scariest thing about this chapter was accidentally choosing the path that progresses through the story while you're not yet done finding all of the secrets

    • @DarylTalksGames
      @DarylTalksGames  5 років тому +585

      Finally, someone who shares my pain. Good man

    • @cosmicsilhouette3858
      @cosmicsilhouette3858 4 роки тому +79

      I know right, I wasnt to happy about missing the crystal heart because I chose the actually story path.

    • @petruciosxd1374
      @petruciosxd1374 4 роки тому +52

      I remember finding the secret way to the Crystal Heart door with the key, but I went back because I didn't know if I would miss anything by not going through the first door, found out I didn't and I needed a key for something at the end, great.

    • @nonamea9177
      @nonamea9177 4 роки тому +3

      Indeed

    • @luiz_carlos
      @luiz_carlos 4 роки тому +41

      When I did this level for the first time, I thought that the Crystal Heart would be revealed by lighting all the candles. I'm feeling so dumb now.

  • @BeetleTheBoy
    @BeetleTheBoy 6 років тому +3628

    Also, mirror temple has the best thing in the game. *Theo just saying "I'm helping"*

    • @DarylTalksGames
      @DarylTalksGames  6 років тому +616

      “Theo saves the day again!” Lol

    • @rarebeeph1783
      @rarebeeph1783 6 років тому +341

      "Now you're just showing off."

    • @TonyTheTGR
      @TonyTheTGR 6 років тому +283

      "Please tell me this isn't canon..."

    • @CrashJakFan1994
      @CrashJakFan1994 6 років тому +298

      "It's the Temple Remix, featuring your boy, Mix Master Theo."

    • @drascin
      @drascin 6 років тому +120

      Theo is great in general.

  • @STRGames
    @STRGames 5 років тому +675

    The campfire scene after the temple is a masterpiece.

    • @DarylTalksGames
      @DarylTalksGames  5 років тому +99

      100% agree, such a fantastic touch

    • @pedroivog.s.6870
      @pedroivog.s.6870 2 роки тому +4

      The problem is having to redo it every time you restart the chapter because you think you missed a strawberry

    • @hassan1401
      @hassan1401 2 роки тому +22

      @@pedroivog.s.6870 options > skip cutscene

    • @pedroivog.s.6870
      @pedroivog.s.6870 2 роки тому +4

      @DarkCoreX oh, nevermind. The scene is powerful, so it is good to see again too

    • @evernevers5390
      @evernevers5390 Рік тому +5

      @@pedroivog.s.6870 There isn't even strawberries in chapter 6

  • @zipsnap
    @zipsnap 4 роки тому +536

    First thing I thought of when lighting the blue candles were: "Is there gonna be an achievement if I light them all?"

    • @Qaser7
      @Qaser7 3 роки тому +41

      I thought that it was required for the Crystal Heart. I was glad and unsatisfied at the same time when I found out the real way.

    • @pedroivog.s.6870
      @pedroivog.s.6870 2 роки тому +11

      At the end I thought worried that I missed one because nothing especial happened just to figure out it may never be anything

    • @leandroperon2604
      @leandroperon2604 2 роки тому +1

      Same

    • @noobfart
      @noobfart 2 роки тому +7

      I never thought of yellow torches as scary, just as hints for what will progress the level so I can avoid them

  • @spiritflame8806
    @spiritflame8806 6 років тому +1927

    Note: reversing the mirror temples music and slightly altering the pitch will let you hear madeline talking about her depression.

    • @mmrguerra2009
      @mmrguerra2009 6 років тому +63

      @@kawaiinekopink764 search "celeste reversed"

    • @kontrol42
      @kontrol42 5 років тому +352

      Not only Madeline, so to speak. Lena Raine, the composer that has made Celeste OST, also suffers from depression and anxiety. In a way, it's also Lena who's talking about it

    • @sninctbur3726
      @sninctbur3726 5 років тому +357

      Specifics:
      "Sometimes, I... don't really know... what's going on anymore. I... I don't... know who I am. I just... look in the mirror, and... don't know who I'm looking at. Or... who's looking at me. I... think a lot... about... where... my train of thought is going... and it's not always a good place. And that scares me. I don't... like... scaring myself. I don't..."

    • @lifeisanenigma213
      @lifeisanenigma213 5 років тому +23

      Here’s a link to a good video that shows it. ;-; ua-cam.com/video/rE8diav5I1k/v-deo.html

    • @seantaggart7382
      @seantaggart7382 4 роки тому +13

      "Sometimes i just"

  • @MaJeeDooo0010
    @MaJeeDooo0010 5 років тому +312

    Fun fact: The eyes that are everywhere in the 2nd half of the level, they're not looking at Madeline, but rather Theo! It represents his social media life, with everyone looking at him, judging him. *The monsters* represents Madeline's depression.

    • @BananaDope
      @BananaDope Рік тому +6

      I think it's her anxiety and fears rather than his depression

    • @jennytulls6369
      @jennytulls6369 2 місяці тому +2

      Alternatively, someone in another comment section suggested that Theo has social anxiety and social media is his way of being social without actually facing anyone

  • @SadFace201
    @SadFace201 6 років тому +638

    As a side note, one of my favorite ways in which Celeste really highlights emotions is its use of text effects and portraits---sometimes when dark Madeline is being especially nasty, she'll pop out of her frame as if trying to leave the player's screen.

    • @DarylTalksGames
      @DarylTalksGames  6 років тому +151

      YES. Oh I'm so glad you mentioned that, I love how that's done. It's such a creative way to let you know that Badeline/Part of Me is all up in your face.

    • @idk-bz6hf
      @idk-bz6hf 5 років тому +5

      @Giffoni I'm pretty sure we all know that but don't talk about it

    • @Melecie
      @Melecie 5 років тому +12

      Giffoni YOLOOOOOOOOOO

    • @ejsuperstar
      @ejsuperstar 5 років тому +1

      @@DarylTalksGames You a fan of merg?

    • @RF-Ataraxia
      @RF-Ataraxia 4 роки тому +4

      @Giffoni Yeah, it's really nice. It's simple, but it's much appreciated. More games with this type of dialogue noises should do it.

  • @PipPanoma
    @PipPanoma 6 років тому +932

    Here's the funny thing though: I had a different experience. Not completely, the mirror temple is still very uncomfortable, but the things you described about me feeling things unconsciously actually had a different effect on me.
    I associated the blue candles with danger and the yellow candles with safety. I'm afraid of the unknown, going into the darkness is very uncomfortable for me. Whenever I saw the yellow candles I thought: Oh hey, something the game definitely wants me to see. I can relax now.
    The eyes didn't bother me a lot. I played with them for a bit, see how they followed me. It's partially because it's a game, but even within the game I saw it as a simulation. The eyes weren't a part of Madeline, they came from Theo. I saw the eyes of social media following him, staring into his life, always wanting something to see. I felt bad for Theo, for the eyes, but I was made anxious by the monsters and the darkness. It's like experiencing a mental illness from the outside vs the inside.
    If anything, the section with the eyes made me feel the burden of being someone's pillar of support. I could've done things so much easier alone, but I had to take Theo with me. It's like trying to help someone who only drags you down, but for some reason you keep helping them, because you care or because you feel sorry. And once you've started it's hard to stop in good conscience unless they're completely out.

    • @DarylTalksGames
      @DarylTalksGames  6 років тому +251

      Interesting! I have had a few people come forward and tell me that the yellow candles felt safer to them as well, since it gives a sense of direction. I like your take on the eyes and Theo as well, he was pretty helpless and in truth did make the level harder, so I can see how that could be a metaphor for helping someone that holds you back. Thanks for watching!

    • @b44442
      @b44442 5 років тому +22

      YES! you described exactly how I felt during that level

    • @cameronjohnson4936
      @cameronjohnson4936 5 років тому +28

      Yeah, same here with the candles, they felt like a goal. I do tend to face problems head on though, so maybe thats where this comes from...? I actually think the eyes are from Madeline's paranoia. Theo's temple problem might just have been the crystal. He talks about how he feels like he's going nowhere in life in the conversation right after the temple. Maybe that was supposed to be represented in the crystal, with him literally helpless and unable to move?

    • @alzhanvoid
      @alzhanvoid 5 років тому +38

      @@cameronjohnson4936 the eyes only follow Theo. They represent his internet audience.

    • @idk-bz6hf
      @idk-bz6hf 5 років тому +13

      I think the eyes and the crystal are refering to how Theo is trapped inside some sort of crystal, with no escape if nobody helps him, with everybody waiting for his next move, staring.

  • @Genericname
    @Genericname 5 років тому +437

    B-side theo: “Is this canon?”

    • @debornmc
      @debornmc 4 роки тому +28

      hE aCtUaLlY saYs: This isn't canon, is it?

    • @qwertyuiop1854
      @qwertyuiop1854 4 роки тому

      LOL that’s hilarious

    • @nup5
      @nup5 3 роки тому +25

      "Uhh, this one is clearly impossible."

    • @bait5257
      @bait5257 3 роки тому

      ...

  • @sninctbur3726
    @sninctbur3726 5 років тому +325

    Another detail: in the Mirror Temple part of the Summit level, there are no red floating monsters or dark rooms at all.

    • @andrehenrique976
      @andrehenrique976 5 років тому +4

      Normally, they have a blue-ish purple color. They only get red when enraged.

    • @electrum5579
      @electrum5579 4 роки тому +65

      I'm thinking it's because in the first Mirror Temple run through, Madeline had still been fighting with Badeline, and the temple reflected that whereas on Chapter 7 Madeline had come to terms with Badeline and therefore the temple didn't have the intense inner strife to reflect

    • @spectrethefox5450
      @spectrethefox5450 4 роки тому +36

      I heard somebody pointed out that the Seekers color is very much representative of Madeline. Madeline had red hair when she can dash, and blue hair when she has to rest and get her dash back. Seekers are blue when inactive and unable to see you, while red while they are active and try to dash at you.

    • @kyubeyz_7062
      @kyubeyz_7062 4 роки тому +6

      SpectreTheFox they’re actually purple when they can’t see you so maybe it’s something with badeline?

    • @ApollyonMathy
      @ApollyonMathy 3 роки тому +11

      Something of the topic but here is a theory of the summit
      The summit has all chapters mechanics,but we all know that chapter 2 is a dream because of space blocks and so is chapter 9,and both of them are dreams,we can say that chapter 7 is a dream?
      A plothole?
      Wow i commented in a 2 year old comment ;_;

  • @dard2240
    @dard2240 6 років тому +861

    No words about reversed music?

    • @DarylTalksGames
      @DarylTalksGames  6 років тому +388

      Whoa! I just found out about that actually, that's incredible! Man I wish I had known when I was making this, the reverse song and its monologue would have absolutely made it in. Thanks for bringing that up!

    • @craftedpixel
      @craftedpixel 6 років тому +31

      You won't find out about that unless you reverse it. It is still creepy though

    • @thatcokestuff
      @thatcokestuff 5 років тому +17

      I always wondered if the B-side also had a reversed message also.

    • @ismetcancelik5052
      @ismetcancelik5052 5 років тому +1

      @@thatcokestuff same thing most likely.

    • @nup5
      @nup5 3 роки тому +3

      As far as I'm aware, B-Side music doesn't have any messages hidden by only reversing the music.

  • @Shinigami435
    @Shinigami435 6 років тому +386

    Not sure I understood clearly this passage, since english is not my native langage.
    At a point, you said that the eyes represented Madeline's social anxiety. In fact, there are not Madeline's demons, but Theo's demons.
    Theo is a really interesting character. Contrary to Madeline, he isn't near breakdown. He is quite confident in himself, provides good advices and has an appeasing presence.
    However, he also has his inner demons, like everyone. It just doesn't have the same strengh as Madeline's one, who is in contrary unconfident and hyperemotive (definitly a mental overefficience, sry I don't know the exact word un english).
    He is exactly the normal great guy, who have no particular mental illness, confident, and who is not overwelmed by his emotions.
    However, in the end, Theo didn't climb the Mountain. He didn't confront his demons, contrary to Madeline. And while it can seem not really important, it completely changed my personnal interpretation of the character.
    Since Theo is not overwelmed by his emotions, he was able to burry them deep inside of him. He is doing exactly the same mistake as Madeline in the level 6, but in his case, he succeded.
    Yet, he cannot escape them, even if he is mentaly more "robust" than Madeline. He is forever bounded to bear them, deep inside of him. Even if he hides them, they are here.
    Theo is exactly what are most people today : while they are not as "frail" as Madeline, are not suffering depression and anxiety, and are much more robust, it is precisely this "resistance" toward their emotions that cause their doom.
    I saw too many of them, especially some "zen" people, that use this as a cover, exactly like how Madeline try to use the feather to suppress herself. Exactly like Théo
    (Btw, sry for some my english, which is far from being perfect)

    • @DarylTalksGames
      @DarylTalksGames  6 років тому +107

      Interesting! I never thought about it that way. Theo never does make it up the mountain, so you're right to question what that says about him. Maybe there will be a Celeste 2 where Theo climbs the mountain instead haha. Thanks for the comment!

    • @LarsLuron
      @LarsLuron 5 років тому +96

      I agree with the idea that the eyes are part of Theo's "demons". If you pay close attention, not only do the eyes only appear in the parts of the level that Theo is in, but they're all staring at *him* as you toss him around the level, not at Madeline.

    • @grieferjones2237
      @grieferjones2237 5 років тому +55

      Yeah, I always thought it was tied to his InstaPix obsession, and with getting more followers, which is why he always feels like he's being watched and judged.

    • @LarsLuron
      @LarsLuron 5 років тому +50

      I figured it was because he felt he was being compared to his sister. She's graduating from law school and all that, while he's just dropping from job to job, I can imagine his feeling like folks might be watching him, wondering why he can't be more like her.

    • @DanielLopez-ob9jz
      @DanielLopez-ob9jz 5 років тому +5

      Yeah. Maybe in a celeste 2 could we see a game where theo has his own side.

  • @TonyTheTGR
    @TonyTheTGR 6 років тому +807

    Very astute. But *spoiler alert* ...
    ...
    ...
    ...Mirror Temple C-Side is where REAL fear lies. :o

    • @DarylTalksGames
      @DarylTalksGames  6 років тому +105

      I can only imagine lol, I still haven't found the courage to give it a try.

    • @alicedodocharlotte6409
      @alicedodocharlotte6409 6 років тому +40

      The room with the three upwards wall jumps in a row took me a bit, but I eventually got it. It prepared me for what was to come in 7-C, the real demon of the game hehehe.

    • @alexpurdue3586
      @alexpurdue3586 6 років тому +15

      Yeah, I’m doing the c-sides currently, mirror temple c-side was pretty tough but I’m trying to do the summit c-side right now and it’s so much harder for me than mirror temple

    • @alicedodocharlotte6409
      @alicedodocharlotte6409 6 років тому +3

      Alex Purdue I'm going for the golden strawberry for it. It's absolutely brutal.

    • @alexpurdue3586
      @alexpurdue3586 6 років тому +6

      Alice Aria I finally got it!!! I went at it for about an hour and 15 minutes straight and I was about to quit because I was starting to get worse and then out of the blue I had a perfect run. Onto the core c-side

  • @kontrol42
    @kontrol42 5 років тому +141

    I feel so angry that Celeste isn't popular. This game deserves so much more attention...
    Great video. After playing through the game, it's very interesting to watch vids like this because they give another perspective on things that happen throughout chapters. Like, whole Celestial Resort's soundtrack changes according to state of mr. Oshiro's mind; scene after introduction to feather mechanics shows that depression and anxiety isn't something you can just throw away, how it sometimes can just overwhelm you despite your best efforts... all of that is something I didn't think about while playing.
    And OST is godly, with my favourite being Golden thanks to little something that happened to me once.

    • @CurtisJensenGames
      @CurtisJensenGames 5 років тому +5

      kontrol42 I think It’s mainly just because of the flood of great video games we have now. Celeste is great too, but it has some big contenders (I’m mainly talking about indie games)

    • @revelred
      @revelred 5 років тому +14

      Is not mainstream but it is popular

    • @Alex-xn8zr
      @Alex-xn8zr 5 років тому +14

      It was a nominee for game of the year and got crazy review scores.
      I don't think it can get any more attention (expect with expensive advertising of course).

    • @kyzonm.b.9615
      @kyzonm.b.9615 5 років тому +8

      celeste is popular what are you on about

    • @theutubepower1243
      @theutubepower1243 4 роки тому

      Wavekai the game is pretty forgiving, when you die you respawn in the same room you died in, contrary to mario where you have to start the level over again ( unless you reach a checkpoint in some games )

  • @kaldilftones
    @kaldilftones 5 років тому +34

    I agree. The sprawling, open ended style of the mirror temple makes you feel helpless if there WAS a threat

    • @Stratelier
      @Stratelier 5 років тому +7

      One of the most anxiety-inducing elements in any game with exploration is the feeling of *not* knowing whether you are making progress or not. Whether your current path leads to an alcove with goodies (e.g. strawberries) or it's a path forward that might actually lock you off from the previous area. Remember the huge labyrinth in Chapter 6 where almost every room seemed to have a high and low exit to the next, and all of them are strictly one-way?

  • @rarebeeph1783
    @rarebeeph1783 6 років тому +61

    I feel like in my experience the blue torches represented uncertainty, while the yellow ones were progress.

  • @karlthedude
    @karlthedude 6 років тому +16

    I like how you played the song "anxiety" from celeste's soundtrack while talking about anxiety in the game. Clever Daryl. Clever.

    • @DarylTalksGames
      @DarylTalksGames  6 років тому +6

      What can I say, I had a breakthrough in creativity ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  • @MrAGame
    @MrAGame 6 років тому +175

    Dude, this video is amazing! I'm doing a playthrough of this level for YT over the next couple days and after I finish I'd LOVE to share this for my viewers. It's so spot on, well done!

    • @DarylTalksGames
      @DarylTalksGames  6 років тому +11

      Thank you so much! You are more than welcome to share it, I would genuinely appreciate it!

    • @mikeyg2178
      @mikeyg2178 6 років тому +1

      Mr A, thank you for sharing! I enjoyed this review, and I wouldn't have known had it not been for you.

    • @julesthief
      @julesthief 6 років тому +1

      I just came here after watching your video!

    • @zombieman6132
      @zombieman6132 6 років тому

      hi mragame I'm subed!

    • @seankeogh8134
      @seankeogh8134 3 роки тому

      A game... Hi!

  • @DesignFrameCaseStudies
    @DesignFrameCaseStudies 6 років тому +104

    Goodness, every chapter in Celeste manages to convey Madeline herself in every aspect, it's really quite impressive. Chapter 5 is definitely my favorite in terms of exploring Madeline's character. You hit the nail on the head :)

  • @Seviexe
    @Seviexe 6 років тому +18

    The eyes don't follow Madeline. They follow Theo. It's easy to miss in all the jumping craziness, but still, it's a very important detail that adds a lot to the storytelling, if you pay attention.

  • @raglock1433
    @raglock1433 6 років тому +48

    this. was. one of the best celeste videos i have ever seen..

  • @marchewitt
    @marchewitt 5 років тому +46

    Enjoyed the video but disagree on the yellow representing fear. In general that light gave more hope then fear, especially as Red became the main anxiety color from spikes and statues. Even the red bubbles quickly became that pin prick of tension getting ready for the right timing to dash out.
    Combined with yellow lights being used like coins in classic platformers and the same color as the yellow key used to progress I quickly associated yellow torches with a feeling like a mentor guiding me through the darkness. Helping with timing and highlighting key points I should be aware of, making yellow torches ease the tension as we learn to trust their placement as we explore the unknown.

    • @patrickj
      @patrickj Рік тому +1

      Thinking back, I felt quite the same. The blue lights feel like a shot in the dark, you're just hoping they reveal something useful, show you a path forward, while the yellow lights are much more of a fixed target, a focus point, a small goal.
      And with some of the dangerous bonus rooms completely clad in yellow (I realize it's quite often done for gameplay purposes, but still), they give off that feeling that you're facing a challenge, but you have it planned out and **just** need to execute it, compared to the blind stumbling in the dark rooms with blue lights.

  • @Prinzherbert
    @Prinzherbert 6 років тому +48

    This game helped me. Literally, after watching the story I was happy. My vision of "me" changed a lot, and now I feel better.

  • @ZoruaHunter
    @ZoruaHunter 6 років тому +62

    I wish I was better at noticing subtexts. All these things totally flew over my head when playing the game.

  • @willwallz
    @willwallz 5 років тому +4

    After rewatching this video again a year later, I was reminded of how on my first go through the Mirror Temple I had actually tried my hardest to light every single blue torch I came across. After looking back on it I’m beginning to wonder if they intended for you to pursue this perfectionist mindset, by placing so many torches; to further establish this idea that you are reliant on the safety of the torches. Really makes you think.

    • @DarylTalksGames
      @DarylTalksGames  5 років тому +1

      Oooh I hadn't thought about it that way. I definitely did the same thing because I didn't want to miss any strawberries. For that select crowd of "completionists" they may have really wanted to drive home your need for the torches

  • @noretornable55
    @noretornable55 6 років тому +6

    The "hidden message" while playing the mirrors OST reverse is also an awesome detail. A well made "easter egg"

  • @sullina3
    @sullina3 2 роки тому +7

    one detail that isn't in this video (spoilers btw) that I loved is that if we think of the pitch black darkness as Madelines feelings of hopelessness/panic/whatever you wanna call it, then in the big main room where you have to get to the two keys in order to progress with the bubble, you can go up to talk to Theo before you can reach him. And after talking to Theo, the temple gets lighter and you can actually see, right after Theo gives Madeline some encouragement. That's such a neat detail and so subtle!

  • @MrPanda2002
    @MrPanda2002 6 років тому +45

    This is a very excellent analysis! I so need to play this game.

  • @ZephWraen
    @ZephWraen 5 років тому +6

    Nothing beats Theo's Dialogue in the B-Side to Mirror Temple.

  • @geo6398
    @geo6398 6 років тому +47

    Great video! Brings about stuff i hadnt really thought about, like the candle thing and the uncomfortable gameplay.
    One thing i haven't really seen pointed out much is that sometimes the eyes are focused on theo aswell. It could be a way of representing the pressure he feels to impress his family and live up to his grandfather, or perhaps even to impress his InstaPix followers, many of which are likely silently judging him.
    Him being trapped in a crystal may also be showing he feels trapped or isolated, which may be why he decided to climb celeste. That's what i thought anyway.

    • @DarylTalksGames
      @DarylTalksGames  6 років тому +7

      Totally agree about Theo, I like that the temple creates physical manifestations of both character's insecurities. All around its just so well done. Thanks for watching!

    • @subprogram32
      @subprogram32 6 років тому +4

      Also, while eyes have been a thing before, the eyes in the walls themselves only show up in rooms that involve Theo, implying that they are specifically *his* mental creation over Madeline's.

    • @incoherence
      @incoherence 6 років тому +11

      I appreciated that the Theo section gave you a glimpse into his struggle as well: he's mostly there as a foil and a sounding board for Madeline up to that point, but in the Mirror Temple you find that he, too, is struggling with his own issues, represented by the eyes and the crystal.
      It's also the first time where Theo and Madeline share an experience: the Old Site is played off as Madeline's dream, and both of them encounter Oshiro in the Resort but Theo runs away before he has the same level of experience that Madeline does. In the Mirror Temple, they're both in it together, and the section with Theo is a combination of both of their insecurities: Theo even gets to meet Badeline. It's a kind of validation for Madeline: on one hand, her issues are real and not just figments of her imagination, and on the other hand, someone like Theo is hiding his own struggle below the surface.

    • @geo6398
      @geo6398 6 років тому

      incoherence i agree, well said!

    • @sirtacovi3262
      @sirtacovi3262 6 років тому +4

      Not to mention, I think Theo expressly states that the eyes are HIS inner demons... even if he's not sure what they represent. Or, at least, I know he says that about the crystal.

  • @jhonsmithers4853
    @jhonsmithers4853 5 років тому +16

    I remember not catching any of this.
    “Ohh shit cool! I getta play as an octopus thing!”

  • @NobleGryphon
    @NobleGryphon 6 років тому +9

    It's a true shame that I haven't seen your channel until now, this is wonderfully put together!

  • @neekxd2451
    @neekxd2451 11 місяців тому +1

    I was not scared while playing this, I wanted to cry... Not from fear, but from sadness, it just made me reflect about everything that has happened lately and all I´ve felt. A part of me wishes I played this game before, for it to have been there since the start of this journey. But another part thinks it´s fine as is, as now is when I need it the most. And I hope that through this I manage to come out with a smile on my face, ready to face what will come after.

  • @uMaud
    @uMaud 5 років тому +11

    I feel like the eyes in the last corridor of the temple (I absolutly don't get Undertale vibes by formulating it like that, no XD) are more for Theo than Madelyn.
    I feel like Madelyn is more isolated. The "typical" case of social anxity, when you struggle with social interractions and fixate on little thing, like she said herself. In her case, the eyes of the others matters more because "the problem is in her head". (This formumation sounds rude and I seem to take it easy but I know how hard social anxity can be, even if I don't suffer of it (I'm not that great with socialisation neither but I guess I'm in between the two tendencies) and how hard it is to deal with it, don't worry)
    Theo is the opposite of Madelyn. He is very social as we can see, he immediatly act super friendly with her, he is basicly friendly, warm and kind with everyone. But as we can learn when the talk about themselves to each other, he is under a lot of pression, on the family and professional side. He is jugded on the internet, as a vlogger, he is jugded by people around him for his professionnal and life style choices and he can't help comparing himself to his sister (that's the feeling I have, as he clearly says that she is everything he isn't) and feeling like he never does enough.
    Plus, according to the phylosphy "Fight your fears" of the temple, it must be him who's concerned by the eyes if it's him who is litterally throwed at it 😅
    Welp I gotta correct my mistake, he clearly says that despite what everyone thinks, he isn't comparing himself with his sister, but simply doesn't know what he want to do in his life in general

  • @austin5259
    @austin5259 6 років тому +4

    Another thing I like is that the monsters also use a mechanical callback to the hotel level where oshiro charges at you with the only thing you can do is either dodge or jump on top of him, the monsters used this same exact mechanic but add to it as the monsters can charge from any direction. I really like this use of recycling mechanics.

    • @DarylTalksGames
      @DarylTalksGames  6 років тому

      Totally agree, it's nice to see mechanics reused, but still made fresh by adding a twist.

    • @subprogram32
      @subprogram32 6 років тому +1

      In fact, every mirror temple mechanic is an upgraded version of a previous one, with the dash platforms a modifcation of the Traffic Light platforms, and the Red Bubbles being an upgrade of, well, the green bubbles.

  • @naenoart
    @naenoart 6 років тому +3

    So far a lot of gaming UA-camrs have talked about Celeste, but I think your video on it is definitely one of the best by far!
    Your channel is incredible!

  • @CamelliaOleifera
    @CamelliaOleifera 6 років тому +3

    the eyes are specifically theo’s fear; his focus on his social media appearance and how that traps him

  • @barditheweird
    @barditheweird 6 років тому +24

    It's so cool to see you improve in every next video. It's not like the vids before were bad, but seeing you constantly get better feels me with determination.

    • @DarylTalksGames
      @DarylTalksGames  6 років тому +5

      That's the goal! Although hopefully I'll avoid duds along the way lol, thanks a ton man!

    • @mintea273
      @mintea273 6 років тому

      Was that an undertale reference?

    • @DarylTalksGames
      @DarylTalksGames  6 років тому +1

      If it was, it was unintentional haha. I still haven’t played undertale but it’s high on my list!

    • @barditheweird
      @barditheweird 6 років тому

      Derpy 2004, You're goddamn right)

    • @spudacusgaming8561
      @spudacusgaming8561 6 років тому

      knowing that one day Daryl might avoid duds along the way lol, it fills you with determination.

  • @Yipper64
    @Yipper64 6 років тому +12

    in my recommended, i see the beginner's guide. this just got me thinking. this game right here, is a lot more deep and powerful than the beginner's guide ever was. it doesnt rely on an act, it doesnt leave it up to interpretation... it puts its themes into the levels and music and everything. it makes its message clear, and tells you it in a way that only videogames can.

  • @DeeDolp
    @DeeDolp 5 років тому +7

    I just saw the yellow candles as a pointer to continue the journey, but now I realize that they emphasize danger

  • @WarKeineAbsicht
    @WarKeineAbsicht 4 роки тому +2

    Wow I didn't have that experience at all! I was very simplistic about it all. For me it was
    blue: lights I can turn on
    yellow: lights I don't have to turn on anymore because they are already lit

  • @MrLEGONinja888
    @MrLEGONinja888 5 років тому +1

    I didn’t expect this to be as thoughtful as it was. A pleasure to watch.

  • @nateshgarg3398
    @nateshgarg3398 3 роки тому

    The whispering behind my ear when I was wearing headphones was such a scary and great effect and made me the most anxious.

  • @sarahcottin7334
    @sarahcottin7334 6 років тому +3

    This is the very best video about Celeste I have seen so far. You have so much talent and I hope you keep making videos like this. Subscribed

    • @DarylTalksGames
      @DarylTalksGames  6 років тому

      Thank you for the kind words! I really appreciate it :)

  • @boltstrikes429
    @boltstrikes429 5 років тому +2

    I'm sure many people have pointed this out already, but the eyes in the temple are Theo's demons, not yours. They start appearing when you begin carrying Theo around, and they only stare at him, not at you.

  • @Michael-ob7wz
    @Michael-ob7wz 4 роки тому +2

    The thing I love most about Celeste is the incredible soundtrack.

  • @splattim3180
    @splattim3180 5 років тому +6

    Holy crap, I'm looking at Madeline's dialogue and I can relate to possibly every single one of her personality traits

    • @DarylTalksGames
      @DarylTalksGames  5 років тому +1

      Right?? Madeline is so relatable for so many people, they did an amazing job with her

    • @willwunsche6940
      @willwunsche6940 5 років тому +4

      I've had a character be as relatable as Madeline it's crazy! And it's not like she's a blank slate like some characters she actually has a strong personality but I feel like when she talks that'd be something I'd say.

  • @robotmaster4515
    @robotmaster4515 4 роки тому +3

    I want you to know I waited 2 years to watch this video. When this video first came out I wanted to watch it but didn't wanna get spoiled for Celeste so I waited until I actually finished the game. Now let me tell you the wait was 100% worth it. The video was as good as I thought.

    • @DarylTalksGames
      @DarylTalksGames  4 роки тому +1

      Dude, thanks for remembering to come back! I adore that level and Celeste is a beautiful game. Props for preserving the experience for yourself!

    • @robotmaster4515
      @robotmaster4515 4 роки тому

      @@DarylTalksGames The wait was hard but 100% worth it.

  • @absolutelynot.3739
    @absolutelynot.3739 Рік тому +1

    My keyboard was probably even more scared that I would break it during the Theo bit

  • @centurosproductions8827
    @centurosproductions8827 5 років тому +1

    Oddly, the yellow candles never made me uneasy. I just thought they were for when the game wanted an area to be pre-lit, like the challenge rooms full of them (because you need to see sometimes).

    • @Stratelier
      @Stratelier 5 років тому +1

      I feel the same way: Yellow candles always guaranteed that you were informed of something important, but I felt no particular impression of exactly what that something even was.

  • @Sordorack
    @Sordorack 6 років тому +2

    Very nice and structured analysis, gonna definitively stay on this channel :D

  • @terdragontra8900
    @terdragontra8900 6 років тому +7

    your voice is the most soothing thing i've heard in my life

  • @RadioactiveBluePlatypus
    @RadioactiveBluePlatypus 7 місяців тому +3

    Note : The main developer is now named Maddy Thorson. She is trans, however this was not known when this video was made so it's fine. I'm just saying that for the people in the comments that didn't know that.

  • @notoriousnosk8876
    @notoriousnosk8876 4 роки тому +2

    I’m already scared of mirrors this temple was a nightmare

  • @talhawaseem7801
    @talhawaseem7801 5 років тому

    It was amazing of you to reference the artist. I've been looking for its owner thumbs up

    • @DarylTalksGames
      @DarylTalksGames  5 років тому

      That artist has more talent in one finger than I do in my entire body lol, such amazing drawings

  • @jego207
    @jego207 2 роки тому

    Masterful storytelling. This level in particular helped me cope and understand my anxiety. It was pretty spot on.

  • @ChibiQilin
    @ChibiQilin 6 років тому

    Not sure why this was on the "Up Next" recommendation to a completely unrelated video, but I found a new game to play and a new youtuber to sub to. This analysis is impressive and makes me wanna give this game a try as soon as I can.

  • @speedorix7731
    @speedorix7731 2 роки тому

    At this time, I think my like made it to 15k though it should be more. I knew Mirror Temple was my favorite level in the game when I played it and for most of the reasons you've stated, but the whole anxiety and the game making you play a feeling says a lot. Thanks for making this. You do good content.

  • @Unbaguettable
    @Unbaguettable 11 місяців тому

    There's also the music. "In the Mirror" is my favourite track in the OST, especially with the reversed voices during the escape sequence. It's great stuff

  • @mylifeisameme8656
    @mylifeisameme8656 6 років тому +44

    HOW DO YOU HAVE SO LITTLE ATTENTION

    • @DarylTalksGames
      @DarylTalksGames  6 років тому +4

      Your guess is as good as mine!

    • @Meteorotaki
      @Meteorotaki 6 років тому +5

      With quality content like this, there's no way this channel doesn't skyrocket at some point

    • @DarylTalksGames
      @DarylTalksGames  6 років тому +2

      Meteorotaki, I hope you’re right!

    • @Drag0nStorm1
      @Drag0nStorm1 6 років тому +1

      I know, right?
      Amazing video, I just happened across.
      Weeeew lad, you deserve much more!

    • @PassiveWealth
      @PassiveWealth 5 років тому

      Good point here...I've seen godawful reaction channels with more subs, which is a travesty. First video I've watched of yours but it's really good!

  • @meganmaemassage7128
    @meganmaemassage7128 3 роки тому

    I've played the game but never thought about that. Good job!!

  • @albinodarkrai7014
    @albinodarkrai7014 6 років тому

    I only watched this because it appeared in my recommended list...Boy am I glad it did. The amount of quality in this video is astounding, and I’m sure your other videos are just like it. You’ve earned a subscriber, and you deserve many more than just a few hundred. Keep up the quality work.

    • @DarylTalksGames
      @DarylTalksGames  6 років тому

      Thank you so much! Glad to have you on board :)

  • @ThePrototype047
    @ThePrototype047 4 роки тому

    Your intro sold me so hard I went and bought the game before I came back

  • @Plain_Delta
    @Plain_Delta 3 роки тому

    it's been a long time and a different account since I last watched this,
    still holds up!

  • @kotadis2919
    @kotadis2919 5 років тому +1

    Holy shit this is super well done you deserve more subs

  • @themantbr
    @themantbr 6 років тому +4

    I'm addicted to your channel. There's just lots of great thoughts and concepts genuinely described in each video. Came here through auto-play from snomangaming video.
    Keep up the good work! Already signed up and shared your videos, specially this one and the dandara one.

    • @DarylTalksGames
      @DarylTalksGames  6 років тому

      Thank you so much! Really glad to have you on board :)

  • @bored_robot9263
    @bored_robot9263 Рік тому +2

    my dumb ass meanwhile: oh hell yeah give me more of those pretty gold lanterns

  • @dorshaldoes5055
    @dorshaldoes5055 5 років тому

    I love Celeste its not like other games with some deep lore about a location and its people which is nice but its amazing when it comes to self conflict and not even realizing it was tying up with the level,yourself,the charachter,and your guys determination go get through this

  • @scottwoodtraining
    @scottwoodtraining 5 років тому

    As I just finished the mirror temple for the first time this was awesome. Hit my feelings spot on. Great video.

  • @nightmare_symphony
    @nightmare_symphony Рік тому +1

    The part that felt most scary to me in the chapter was that at one point you are forced to play as the monster. You have no choice and you have to get back to Madeline even though she's running away. Although its a nice way to teach the monster movements, to me it felt like I/Madeline were programming our fear to hurt us. And as if the monster is desperate to get to Madeline like we were in that one part.

  • @ultraness
    @ultraness 5 років тому

    Someone else commented on it, but I'm surprised you didn't say more about the level's music. There's a lot of good attention given to the visual aesthetics and early mechanical design, yet the music is just as important in establishing the level's atmosphere and themes.

  • @Ott3rpup
    @Ott3rpup 3 роки тому

    I like that the eyes follow Theo, showing that he feels constantly watched as an Instapix celebrity

  • @florkiler6242
    @florkiler6242 2 роки тому

    this makes me think without ant effort on my own and that's very nice and It feel very bad to be left without this after the video ends

  • @fishydids
    @fishydids 6 років тому +1

    i personally never associated the yellow candles with danger and even if they associated them with danger in the strawberry parts they are more-so guiding the player than making them more afraid

  • @ManvinderSinghWalia
    @ManvinderSinghWalia 3 роки тому

    This game is so awesome. This level freaked me out so much. I spent hours trying to figure out where to go from the large room

  • @snolls105
    @snolls105 4 роки тому +1

    I never realized you were supposed to correlate yellow with danger. My response to the yellow rooms was "thank god, light."

  • @chillshobe8147
    @chillshobe8147 4 роки тому +1

    I never noticed the yellow torches being were associated with danger before watching this video

  • @esmax3000
    @esmax3000 Рік тому +1

    Actually the yellow candles gave me a feeling of advancement

  • @afro025
    @afro025 2 роки тому +1

    8:14 the eyes aren't actually looking at you (madeline) but rather theo. it's representing his want to gain attention on social media, which is his reason for climbing the mountain in the first place

  • @sonicpoz
    @sonicpoz 5 років тому +1

    I definitely agree with this entire video. I have never suffered from depression or anxiety, so I don't directly relate to this level, but I had an indirect relation during my first playthrough. Back when I first played through the game, I was in love with a girl named Maddie, so that really made me connect with the main character of this game with the same name. I knew the feelings that Madeline (Maddie) had throughout the game and I wanted to help her out the best that I could, and that was to complete the levels to get her out of scary places like the Mirror Temple.

    • @DarylTalksGames
      @DarylTalksGames  5 років тому +1

      Man that's such an interesting take, thanks for sharing! I'm glad you enjoyed this level as much as I did

  • @Billycca3
    @Billycca3 6 років тому

    Good to know that its not weird for me to dread my future full complete of the mirror temple!

  • @gangjittleyang
    @gangjittleyang 2 роки тому +1

    The thing is, I don’t feel anxious when I am in the mirror temple because I know this game off by heart since I have completed Celeste about 3000 times

  • @ronaldodimaano8641
    @ronaldodimaano8641 Рік тому

    ending cutscene literally made me tear up like a baby

  • @tatianatub
    @tatianatub 3 роки тому +1

    i had a VERY hard time finishing the mirror temple not because of any mechanical difficulty but because it made me feel so anxious

  • @hipsnowsis7374
    @hipsnowsis7374 Рік тому +3

    Daryl!! You should update the description on this old video to clarify you're talking about *Maddy* Thorson

  • @CamelliaOleifera
    @CamelliaOleifera 5 років тому +1

    specifically, the eyes show up in theo’s section, from the overvaluing of how people see him through social media

    • @DarylTalksGames
      @DarylTalksGames  5 років тому +1

      I realized that shortly after I began editing, so it was too late to fix haha. But that touch did make me love the level even more :)

  • @Gardengap
    @Gardengap Рік тому +1

    The yellow crystals are actually just lights that you don’t have to manually light up, it’s just for game design

  • @djny-pl2pv
    @djny-pl2pv 6 років тому +3

    Truly love this game. The Mirror Temple really made me uneasy that soundtrack is haunting...in a good, what you just said way. Have raved about this game to whoever I can. £15. Top quality no dlc Full game that just delivers on every level I could have hoped it would. Great video, great game. 👍

    • @Seviexe
      @Seviexe 6 років тому +1

      I would love DLC for Celeste, namely more challenge maps. I'd buy that in a heartbeat.

    • @willwunsche6940
      @willwunsche6940 5 років тому +1

      Free Dlc is coming soon guys!

  • @darcyxerox1589
    @darcyxerox1589 4 роки тому

    I usually don’t like having a handicap or having to carry something that decreases your movement options, but I loved carrying Theo around. It was so fun to throw him around and figure out how to get through a room with him.

  • @MrBlinglord
    @MrBlinglord 6 років тому

    You have the best voice for talking about video games

  • @JayAyers
    @JayAyers 4 роки тому +1

    1. Now I know why I only have half the strawberries
    2. Yes, Celeste is a fantastic game. It's a gift that keeps on giving

  • @nanimator0
    @nanimator0 6 років тому

    Extremely underrated channel, hope you blow up dude. I’m with you from the start.

    • @DarylTalksGames
      @DarylTalksGames  6 років тому

      Glad to have you on board man! Thanks for being here

  • @sadgirl_fishi
    @sadgirl_fishi 2 роки тому

    i never thought of the yellow lights as a threat, i just saw them and thought to myself that i was going the right way to progress the story.

  • @whenyoudiporeosinmilktheyb8329
    @whenyoudiporeosinmilktheyb8329 5 років тому

    Now that you mention it, this is al pure art

  • @tristancruver4527
    @tristancruver4527 5 років тому

    I thought the eyes were Theo's change to the temple. It makes sense in my head with his behavior and all the selfies.

    • @Maxodex
      @Maxodex 5 років тому +2

      they are. if you pay attention, the eyes are always following theo and not madeline. toss him around and walk away and you will surely notice.

  • @No-fd5ir
    @No-fd5ir 4 роки тому +1

    I know this video is old but after the Mirror Temple there's a super ominous postcard saying "You cant outrun your own reflection"

  • @voynich7119
    @voynich7119 4 роки тому

    I think a good example of creating fear done right is the game Echo.
    In this game you walk through this empty palace when suddenly the light starts to blackout every few seconds. Soon you start to notice those black blobs all over the ground. After each blackout the blobs grow until they finally start to resemble you. At first they can't attack you but soon they become hostile and start copying your abilities.
    It does take a while until you really are in danger but the feeling of dread starts as soon as the first blackouts and grows with each iteration.

  • @theheadacheking4869
    @theheadacheking4869 5 років тому +2

    I don't want to be that guy, but the eyes don't follow Madeline, they follow Theo. Still a great video.

  • @justingovus9086
    @justingovus9086 6 років тому +4

    This video was great! Looking forward to more content.

  • @redjive_industries3760
    @redjive_industries3760 2 роки тому

    This chapter really was the one that drove Madeline’s struggles home to me; it was obvious something bad would happen, but it took so long and eventually I was almost relieved to finally see what the monster would be, because I wasn’t sure if a statue would suddenly come alive, some part of the map would move unexpectedly, or if I’d suddenly fall to my death.
    And finally reaching the end of the Theo crystal segment was extraordinarily cathartic. I’d spent about 20 minutes on the last section and had been seriously considering backing out, enabling the slowed down mode, and going back in, but I wanted to give it just a few more tries because I knew it would be so much more satisfying if I did it on my own.
    I can’t say for sure, but I think beating the Mirror Temple helped me to confront some choices I’d been avoiding having to make for a while. Either way, it was an absolutely incredible way of providing a look into Madeline’s mind without telling the player what was going on up until the end of it; even then you still feel clever for catching on to what’s happening.