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This is the reason i want an enhanced abandonware law made. Where if a dev requires a game to be played online and are shutting it down are legaly required to allow and provode the tools for players to run there own servers
@@judgeprime3730 People are already done paying for it so wtf are you talking about. A lot of these online only games get forgotten about by the company and then years later someone tries to copy the game and the company who abandoned it sues the fans trying to remake it for copy right infringement. thats what op is talking about
When Babylon's Fall was announced I was really hyped cause I though it was a single player RPG. the moment I heard them saying it would be a live service, my hype dropped to negative, and I clearly remember telling people that it was the worst mistake they could ever do. hopefully this teaches them that single player games will always be better than live services bullshit
@MrSpiritstealer they're not for me, but I understand why people like multiplayer games, but the problem, I think, is that the market for those is oversaturated, while we are sorely lacking in the single player department.
You cannot tell me this game wasn’t meant to be a single player action hack and slash game at first. The 2019 trailer looks NOTHING like the trailers that would come years later and the combat after 2019 was straight up horrendous. Not to mention there only being one player character in the 2019 trailer, not three of them in a party… They can say it all they like, but you can look at the first trailer vs the later trailers yourself and see the MASSIVE shift
Babylon's Fall fell so fast that I'm starting to wonder if it is the E.T. of live service games. Though I hate to see all the developers' hard work turn into dust, I hope this is a wake-up call to the business executives. It may take a while, but if you keep putting out garbage year after year, customers will eventually stop giving you money.
*AAA game publisher rubbing their hands together* “Hello gamers let’s talk monetization. Here’s the battle pass. Here’s the item shop! Here’s where you can buy the shortcuts!” Meanwhile we’re all looking at this man wondering there’s even a video game buried under all this
It failed bad, but it's not the final nail in a growing enviable industry collapse. ET was literally the final push of the entire home videogames industry to collapse on itself not just the companies that made the game. But I would love to see a game cost so much to produce and fail so bad as a live service that the entire business model disappears over night
Imagine spending about 3 years making a game just for it to be worth nothing at launch. I bet some devs aren’t dealing with this so well. I feel for them tbh.
I have a buddy that works at GameStop. He told me they couldn't even reuse the plastic cases in case someone brings in one that can't be used. They want everything destroyed and Sony would be really pissed off if they don't.
Screw Sony PlayStation. The PS brand use to mean something I’ll just stick to my PC and X-Box now. At least Microsoft can do backwards compatibility and even subscription services right. And as for online play I get that free on my pc. Why would I pay Sony for inferior services to what I can get on PC and now XBL.. Game Pass Ultimate is a much better deal then what ever swill Sony is pushing. Once upon a time Plus had great value now it’s just trash which is why I dropped it like a hot potato.
This just makes me really sad for Platinum. They are such a talented studio capable of making absolutely bangers. Madworld, Vanquish, Bayonetta, Metal Gear Rising, these are some of the titles they've made, and now they have been reduced to the desperate cheap developer of the industry, taking on any and all projects just so they can keep the lights on. Platinum deserves so much better than this, they're an amazing studio but they just can't catch a break
@@kebabsaurusrex1601 Because she wasn’t making Sega enough coin and no other company wanted to pick her up. Nintendo was the only one wanting to continue development. For this I will always have much love for Ninty.
This is one of the main reasons I always say all games need a singleplayer offline campaign, if Anthem, Battleborne or this title specifically had one even if the engagement is low/non existent at least one could still PLAY A GAME!!! Sometimes the most mediocre of games have gameplay mechanics ,visuals or characters that some folks dig not to mention one can keep some value for their purchase!!!
It's for this exact reason that I ended up selling my copy of Gran Turismo 7. The first major outage that their server had, and I can't even play the solo single player campaign. I won't ever buy another game that requires online connectivity for the single player mode. I had no intention of doing so with GT7; I was just unaware of the always online bs prior to purchase. I hope that every single game Luke this continues to fail so badly that the companies lose millions. That seems to be the only thing that they understand.
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Battleborn actually had content that you could technically play all by yourself. Sadly they made internet connection to the server a requirement for that as well.
Considering Babylon didnt waste as much time as Anthem in development hell and is made literally using FFXIV asset flips, it dying probably won't put as much dent to Squeenix as it does to Platinum's reputation
We are going from "big pieces of art" to: small, empty and overly promoted monolithic overpriced pieces of software that don't qualify as games. The factors that make a game fail are now widely known and I hope that it will start to be a reference to stop this avalanche of abusive games as a service.
This is different in Argentina. Stores never throw games or put them on a sale bin. In a couple of years you still are going to find some Babyllon Fall copies at full price in stores. Like you can still find Battleborn at full price (or the full price it had at the time of release) in some places.
ah yes, the good old *third world economics* geniuses "let's hold on this garbage for forever, surely it will make us money some day" instead of you know, add space for products that'd actually make them money now.
With games like Bayonetta and Asttal Chains under platinum games belt, Bayblon's Fall poor decisions could not be more unfortunate to another company. Square really bungled this by getting so greedy with monetization that it broke the game pace of the game so early. Most monetization at least hide their greed and damages later into the games life.
Reminds me of 1982 E.T. The Extra Terrestrial where Atari had to dump their stocks onto landfills, because of how badly the game flopped. Was one of the reason for the 1982 videogame industry crash.
This is incredibly common. It happens any time the physical item is obsolete. Worked at gamestop for 6 years destroyed (took home) tons of things like battleborn or aging strategy guides.
The difference is that it's normally done years after launch when the console isn't sold anymore or something happened to make the game unsellable. This happening mere months after launch is the surprising part.
oh yeah I remember buying all the strategy guides for 10 cents instead of marking them down. Nice opening up the store and getting all those low prices print out. We also used to put all the rare games in drawers when they sold 8bit-64 bit and save them to buy on payday.
This is the *third time I've seen a story from you detailing a game that's gone so horribly that it's either being given away, or sold for so cheap that it's practically free, and I'm just starting to wonder if this is really going to keep happening. (Forgot about fallout 76)
"Let's all laugh at an industry that never learns anything, Tee-hee hee!" At this point we should come up with a name for these kind of short-sighted, live service trash fires.
@@MrReaperofDead We know that Dollar Tree is not a great place to work, but not everyone can afford themselves that exuberance to quit. In many small towns in the US, stores like these constitute some of the few available entry level jobs available. Many people need to work and can't afford themselves to quit. And under the system we work in now, someone will have to work that job. It's desirability is low, yes (although there are far worse jobs out there, such as in meatpacking), but if one does not work there, who do you expect to check you out? Or clean the aisles? Or restock?
@@ImLikeYouIHaveNoName247 You assume they have enough brain cells to learn . We have dozens of examples and they still keep trying . At this point , I just assume the publisher will do the worst, most idiotic decisions each time new game looks too good . Usually , im right ...
Babylon's Fall being destroyed and becoming compost for the environment would still have been a better use of it than whatever the hell Square Enix decided to do with it
Genuinely wonder why it was so bad. I always hear about the fallout but not about why it was so bad it flopped. Diablo Immortal is terrible but that was a success (unfortunately)
I feel like any online only game thats going to be shut down should be made into a single player game so that people who bought it can still have something to play when the servers shut down. (especially when physical versions exist)
First Anthem & now Babylon's Fall. Dude this is so depressing. This is why game studios & publishers should think twice before they decide to do live service games because 9 outta 10 times, live service games flop. I hope & pray that Platinum Games will survive this disaster. I want Astral Chain 2🤞🤞
It's not that live-service are automatically doomed. It's just that publishers are too lazy to make the game have decent content at launch. They think they can release a half-assed game and add content to it later and make money.
Live service games can be great, just like mobile games can be great. It’s just the market is terrible and the big companies that produce them get greedy and cheap.
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To be very honest, if it is a live service game, I'm on the verge of passing completely. I don't want to invest time in a game when someone can just turn off the servers and take it away from me.
I'm the same way with Cloud games too. The fact that Kingdom Hearts on switch was only cloud-based broke my heart. And I never really understood the appeal of live service games.
It was tragic humor how they tried to save the launch with a Nier Collab at the start, I felt so bad with some streamers who were paid to promote it and play it
I like how on the Anthem receipt he showed where the guy bought 37 copies for a penny each the bottom still says the generic Gamestop thing of "You saved *$220.52* today!" and it's like, even back then, "Did I really?", and with the benefit of hindsight, it's like, "Nope, I just bought some funny looking coasters."
I'd really like to see a deep dive by Kotaku or a WhatHappun? episode about how this game failed so hard. Design by committee? Bad focus testing? Bad demographics research? Poor marketing? Wretched game design/mechanics/gameplay loop/etc.? How did this ever release with expectations of being successful and hugely profitable?
I hope that this will serve as a case against internet requirement for games, if it was playable offline with single player content, it will still make money even if it was a little, and there would be no need to go this far to pull it from stores, may be even people will return to it one day and appreciate as a "hidden gem" or "misunderstood game" or even "underrated game" like a lot of games, but this is what they get with live service; no servers? game gone. This is why I will never get a game that requires internet to work even for single player like what they did with COD in 2019 going forward, or Ghost recon breakpoint.
This is why I'll always play single player games, I don't have the time to wait in a lobby, when I can just get in the game and go. I'll happily play with bots!
Honestly this is a good trend, if more devs feel the pain which in turn hurts the publishers and stock holders maybe it’ll force them to put out more bangers instead of hangers like this.
I don't like how people tend to point their fingers on the devs, when more often than not in cases like this it's more the moneymen fault that the game was a directionless mess. Especially if the studio is an estabilished one, what already has a track record of good games. Do you really think that from one game to an other platinum games just suddenly lost their ability to make good games? It's not like blizzard, where the decline in quality is there for years now... What probably happened was that some idiot at SE was thinking that "damn FFXIV brings in a ton of money, let's do an other game like that, and just toss it to PG and tell them they can only start working on Bayonetta 3 if they finish this one" .
you would hope but i heard platinum wants to focus only on live service games because "they don't make enough money" so it looks like they did the opposite of learning. they're fucking doubling down.
The least they could do was implement a patch to enable offline play and debug mode (so that you can scale down enemies since you're playing solo now) Otherwise this feels like a cash grab, worst is it might be remembered as one
Platinum thought that by making a live service for the sake of pure monetization that it'd make them a pretty penny and "more independent". They got what they deserved. Edit: Reminder that the execs at Platinum directly said this was their goal. Regardless of Square Enix's role Platinum's leadership explicitly endorsed it, despite having successfully crowdfunded games in the past showing that if they were truly hard up for cash they didn't need to resort to predatory monetization. I repeat: They got what they deserved.
I believe it was Square Enix who decided that the game should be a live service. ...cause that worked out so well for them last time. *coughAvengerscough*
Even if it was Square's idea for a live service, the game looks horrible and the combat is atrocious. Live services succeed from time to time, they just have to be good games.
Crowded maybe, but they are not all extraordinary masterpieces. Platinum used to deliver better products and the people were satisfied. If you deliver half baked games or try to phone in on live service scam, you will drown in the sea of the crowded market. And that's only a natural reaction. Bayo 3 will prove if they still got it. It was in development long enough. And it does not have the stain of a live service on it
Except FF14 was not only a game of the company's flagship franchise but actually managed to get a substancial number of players even in it's broken state. Thats why they bothered with a 2.0 version. Ff14 1.0 was better than Babylon's Fall.
How could they just destroy the discs like that? They should've at least, prior to that, stick a "DESTROYED" label on the box, in the Guilty Gear font.
Wow! Didn't this game release this year? Is this a speed run record. I don't know if I have ever heard of a game not lasting till a discount holiday fire sale
To think that within a year’s time, we got Babylon’s Fall and Bayonetta 3. Talk about to extreme differences (going to hope Bayo 3 has a great launch for Platinum’s sake).
same studio and what change is the publisher, one let's platinum do its thing, the other wanted a live service to "make money" quick and SqEnix still keep making these mistakes.
@@endless2239 Very true. I know I've given Square some flack too about their approach as of late. Ignoring NFTs (since that's still an issue in its own right), it seems like they really want to recapture that magic FF14 got when it relaunched, but between Avengers, Outriders and the aforementioned Babylon's Fall, it hasn't been a worthwhile endeavor yet. Who knows what the future holds for S-E, but it is definitely a mixed bag of positives and negatives (or at least positives as far as the FF front goes. Minus Record Keeper though since that's closing up shop this week everywhere that isn't Japan).
@@mas8705 don't give them any slack, the only reason FF14 is any good is because Yoshida must be giving his soul to defend that game from the others execs, and heck, the idea to put Yoshi in charge of that was taken by the exCEO in the first place. nowadays who they have is "we fully embrace NTF" Matsuda, so unless they change the upper crust, I'm not that hopeful.
@@endless2239 This, FF14 is Yoshi P's baby and the only thing SE has on it is the name. good thing he has enough leverage by being the only live service game that is actually successful so the shortsighted execs cant touch it
i have faith that Bayonetta 3 will pull Platinum out of this little slump, i wonder why Platinum went this direction while they are known for their single player, linear games with a a tight, smooth combat flow, it really was strange and it still is :)
@@James-gj8rn Because if you're a studio that has historically been on the brink of bankrupt several times and a big company like Square Enix hires you to make any kind of game you say yes if only to stay afloat. People seem to forget that while Platinum has bangers like Bayonetta, Vanquish, Metal Gear RIsing and Automata, they have also produced _shovelware_ like Transformers, Korra or TMNT just to keep on going. They are not a really stable studio to the point they said they would be happy if they were bought up. Hope Bayo 3 sells like hotcakes because after what happened with Babylon's fall I doubt they would ever be hired again to make a live service game and they need a win ASAP.
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Something that makes this even more sad, this is actually the 2nd time Platinum tries to make an online multiplayer game and becomes a failure, the first time was with Anarchy Reigns and was a hack-slash too.
OK, this is actually a true story! I was at the mall and went to GameStop! I asked the GameStop employees that do they still sell Babylon's Fall, and they say no because the game is shutting down! They don't sell the game anymore! He said I would've been there 2 weeks ago but that wasn't the time until YongYea uploaded this video about getting Babylon's Fall for free on PS4/PS5 at GameStop! The reason why I want to get that game for free is because I want to keep the display case only, not playing that flop game! If it comes with a disc, I'm not inserting it, but I just want to diy it! We laughed at the game that flopped and also thinking about if Gotham Knights will be flopped or success! And before I got home, i walk to another GameStop and this time, it's next to my house and I asked the same question and same reason! They still said No and then said the same thing shutting down the game! At the end, we laughed at the game that flopped again! So then I walked home and got over with getting Babylon's Fall for free on PS4/PS5! So that's my actual true story of what happened today! (9•30•2022)
I don't think I've ever been as disappointed in the potential for a game (early after it was announced) to when it was actually released. I got worried when they sort of re-announced it as live service and all, but I never thought it would be this bad. My goodness, I need to know what happened here.
I remember Shaq-Fu being so horrible that a group of people would procure any copy of the game they can to destroy Shaq-Fu. I remember people using copies of Haze as coasters. I wonder what other uses can people find for this game?
Hey, this might be a good way to get a new case for any games that may have had a broken case in your collection. Just remove the Babylon's fall paper and put your old game's in. Viola.
"I don't think it will effect them much due to them working on bayonetta and other successful games being bought on top of this unfortunate game Squeenix has a fair share of moments for trying something different but, the vision wasn't there." Also they already cancel the game service only on its last legs. Last note- Remember square is not good at live service which means ff 14 was a truly blessed game but that does not mean they can replicate the same miracle onto other games to monetize it with loot boxes.
This is pretty normal for non-saleable merchandise. I managed a GameStop for years and we gave away (or took home) a surprising amount of stuff that couldn't be sold for whatever reason.
I've noticed GS will break a disk on purpose claiming a person did with no warranty. No one bringing a blue ray smashed to bits into a GS store. They try to pressure ppl into extra $1 or $2 protection plan that's not needed.
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PlatinumGames used to be one of my all-time favorite developers. They made four of my all-time favorite games: Bayonetta 1+2, Metal Gear rising, Nier: Automata, and Astral Chain. Not a day dgoes by that I don't know about those games in some manner, either from how much fun I had with them, or the amazing soundtracks each of them have. But between them no longer being in charge Nier (and their previous game being broken still being broken 4 years later, having never been fixed), Bayonetta 3 and Astral Chain 2 (if it ever comes) being trapped on the switch, a console I absolutely hate playing on, and dodging the asteroid that is Babylon's Fall (which I almost did not- I almost let me being a fan of previous work steer me into getting it), I honestly can't bring myself to care about them and whatever happens to them any longer. The games I want are on consoles I don't like and the games they put elsewhere are games I don't care for, so I cannot enjoy their work anymore. It is really sad to be writing this.
As someone who played babylons fall (free demo weekend) it felt soulless and awful, I can't believe that platinum games was in any way happy or invested in it, it just feels like a corporate mandated checklist and not an actual game. Still I hope platinum can rebound and get back on top
I always thought Platinum games was a SquareEnix studio but they're in fact independant. Therefore I thought Babylon's Fall was entirely the responsability of SE (forcing one of their major studios to make a live service game) but maybe it's not. And I now understand why SE launched another hack and slash inspired by its best IP, Final Fantasy's Stranger of Paradise, just two weeks after Platinum's game.
Don’t buy live service games, don’t buy multiplayer only unless it’s at launch… actually don’t buy multiplayer only. If it’s multiplayer only then it needs to be free to play since you have no idea if the game has an expiration date. Does anyone still buy black ops 4?
This games predicament sounds like what happend to that game from the 80's " E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial " that was so bad all the physical copies was dumped and buried in a secret sandpit, Years later Yeah some idiot bought all the games in the end for collectors purpose 😅
I don't get this destructiveness, Gamestop could at least, after marking the games down as a loss, pull out the discs and covers, and then sell the cases for cheap, as replacement cases for people who has broken cases at home that could use replacing.
I'm mainly worried about Platinum because similarly good studios have been shitcanned by publishers like Activision and EA for lesser failures, and Square _REALLY_ seems to be speedrunning the "Become Japanese Activision/EA" track.
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My local store said the vendor already came and took all the copies because they didn't want them to be given away. Thank goodness they acted quickly otherwise they wouldn't have been able to destroy them. Imagine giving garbage away for free. That would be too nice.
I notice that Curry's in the UK is still selling copies. For £15. That's typical scummy Curry's for you. They're goods are overpriced and they sell extended warranties that aren't worth the price. So yeah, it really doesn't surprise me that they're selling a game that many other retailers are destroying or giving away(I don't think any stores in the UK will give stock away).
Some people prefer destroying/throwing stuff out than giving shit away. Some assholes would actually spend energy to destroy bottles of water that don't sell because to them it's better to destroy what isn't sold than to give it away to those who might actually use or need it.
Well that's what happens with online only games sooner or later. Servers shut down and the disk they're printed on becomes an expensive drink coaster. Or not so expensive if you're getting one at this very moment.
These greedy, foolish publishers have got to learn that "Live Service" is *NOT* a business model that will find broad commercial acceptance and success amongst the end-users unless it is in a genre that requires continually updated multiplayer for the core gameplay experience, such as MMORPGs, MOBAs, Battle Royales and the odd similarly-maintained E-Sports titles like competitive shooters _(CS:GO,_ for example). When _Babylon's Fall_ shuts down in February 2023, it will be time for the game to be archived including a playable system of client/server architecture or an offline-only workaround, for preservation purposes; given the end of all commercial activity regarding the game and the inherent cultural importance of preserving works of art and entertainment, even the failures, such preservationist activities must be protected from corporate opposition.
I must mention this was also among the first games that jumped onto the price hike train and was selling at CAD$91.49 if I recall correctly, definitely over $90, when most AAA games still were selling for CAD$79.99.
This is worse than Anthem being sold for a penny at GameStop and it took less than a year since the game's launch. Really hope Platinum doesn't go down for this, they make some amazing games whent they work on the right kind of project.
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It hurts me more the waste of plastic than the fall of the game itself
I want ahead and bought 100 of these just to use the plastic boxes .
@@matrix8847 Ill give you $10 a piece.
@@Ryattt81 You mean $0.1 a piece, right? Being Babylon's Fall devalued the case's worth.
@@Ryattt81 you are willing to give a grand for this😂
@@matrix8847 Or more lol
This is the reason i want an enhanced abandonware law made. Where if a dev requires a game to be played online and are shutting it down are legaly required to allow and provode the tools for players to run there own servers
Or, how about giving people their money back.
@@Moon_Presence it's not about the money it's about game preservation
@@judgeprime3730 People are already done paying for it so wtf are you talking about. A lot of these online only games get forgotten about by the company and then years later someone tries to copy the game and the company who abandoned it sues the fans trying to remake it for copy right infringement. thats what op is talking about
How about adults stop playing games?
There's no reason people shouldn't own the thing they paid for in full
Damn. Even Anthem was 99 cents during its infamy.
Anthem was so bad that it made news at least.
This... Just nobody cared for this game
This was easily much worse than anthem. This game hasn't even been out a year 😂
@@Akechifan Square Enix NFT vision haha
Actually it was 1 cent in some stores.
Are Anthem's servers still up? If so that makes Anthem leagues above Babylon Fall.
When Babylon's Fall was announced I was really hyped cause I though it was a single player RPG. the moment I heard them saying it would be a live service, my hype dropped to negative, and I clearly remember telling people that it was the worst mistake they could ever do. hopefully this teaches them that single player games will always be better than live services bullshit
Same, I remember being interested at first, until I heard live service and just deleted it from my memory.
@MrSpiritstealer they're not for me, but I understand why people like multiplayer games, but the problem, I think, is that the market for those is oversaturated, while we are sorely lacking in the single player department.
goddamn did babylon infact fall.
You cannot tell me this game wasn’t meant to be a single player action hack and slash game at first. The 2019 trailer looks NOTHING like the trailers that would come years later and the combat after 2019 was straight up horrendous. Not to mention there only being one player character in the 2019 trailer, not three of them in a party…
They can say it all they like, but you can look at the first trailer vs the later trailers yourself and see the MASSIVE shift
@@newdivide9882 Yeah, you are absolutely right. I clearly remember how hyped I was with the first trailer. also nice name lol
Babylon's Fall fell so fast that I'm starting to wonder if it is the E.T. of live service games. Though I hate to see all the developers' hard work turn into dust, I hope this is a wake-up call to the business executives. It may take a while, but if you keep putting out garbage year after year, customers will eventually stop giving you money.
"But that's a future problem right, lets focus on the now in monetization"
Some executives probably
One can only hope this singlehandedly kills live services tbh
*AAA game publisher rubbing their hands together* “Hello gamers let’s talk monetization. Here’s the battle pass. Here’s the item shop! Here’s where you can buy the shortcuts!”
Meanwhile we’re all looking at this man wondering there’s even a video game buried under all this
Well, we won't find out for another 30 years until someone finds a hole in the desert filled with copies of Babylon's Fall.
It failed bad, but it's not the final nail in a growing enviable industry collapse. ET was literally the final push of the entire home videogames industry to collapse on itself not just the companies that made the game. But I would love to see a game cost so much to produce and fail so bad as a live service that the entire business model disappears over night
Imagine spending about 3 years making a game just for it to be worth nothing at launch. I bet some devs aren’t dealing with this so well. I feel for them tbh.
They should of delayed it for another 3 to 4 years.
I bet some of them are turning to pornography or marijuana cigarettes.
I keep forgetting this game exists after I finish reading its name.
Well now you know you need to catch up on things
@@TheSpeedfoever Still, this game is fallen
What game?
What game?... oh this is an interesting video I wonder what this game he is talking about is?
Lol. So this game is like that one X-Men mutant whose power is that people just instantly forgets him? 😅
I have a buddy that works at GameStop. He told me they couldn't even reuse the plastic cases in case someone brings in one that can't be used. They want everything destroyed and Sony would be really pissed off if they don't.
Guess Sony's just gonna be pissed off then, haha-- boo hoo
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I feel like this is a good way to create a game case black market.
Screw Sony PlayStation. The PS brand use to mean something I’ll just stick to my PC and X-Box now. At least Microsoft can do backwards compatibility and even subscription services right. And as for online play I get that free on my pc. Why would I pay Sony for inferior services to what I can get on PC and now XBL.. Game Pass Ultimate is a much better deal then what ever swill Sony is pushing. Once upon a time Plus had great value now it’s just trash which is why I dropped it like a hot potato.
My god... It's ET for the Atari 2600 all over again!
History repeats itself, I hope this would be the last case
My thoughts exactly LMAO
At least you can still play the ET game if you can find one. Babylon’s Fall is going to be lost to time after the servers close.
Time to travel into the desert to bury these copies.
*AVGN*
This just makes me really sad for Platinum. They are such a talented studio capable of making absolutely bangers. Madworld, Vanquish, Bayonetta, Metal Gear Rising, these are some of the titles they've made, and now they have been reduced to the desperate cheap developer of the industry, taking on any and all projects just so they can keep the lights on. Platinum deserves so much better than this, they're an amazing studio but they just can't catch a break
Bayonetta 3 coming but it's a bloody Nintendo exclusive
@@kebabsaurusrex1601
I mean there’s a lot of Nintendo Exclusives that sells like Hotcakes
@@captainamedeus7047 I know - love Platinum games, shame Bayonetta 2 and 3 are only on Nintendo though
@@kebabsaurusrex1601 Because she wasn’t making Sega enough coin and no other company wanted to pick her up. Nintendo was the only one wanting to continue development. For this I will always have much love for Ninty.
Nintendo should just buy em tbh.
Just checked Babylons fall on twitch. ONE streamer playing to ONE viewer. And that 1 viewer is probably himself
Probably not himself but the Streamlabs bot that manages chat. Lmao
Hey mom can you watch me...
Hahaha I USED to do that when I tried streaming, but I found out streaming kind of killed the joy of video games for me, so I stopped.
This is one of the main reasons I always say all games need a singleplayer offline campaign, if Anthem, Battleborne or this title specifically had one even if the engagement is low/non existent at least one could still PLAY A GAME!!! Sometimes the most mediocre of games have gameplay mechanics ,visuals or characters that some folks dig not to mention one can keep some value for their purchase!!!
It's for this exact reason that I ended up selling my copy of Gran Turismo 7. The first major outage that their server had, and I can't even play the solo single player campaign.
I won't ever buy another game that requires online connectivity for the single player mode. I had no intention of doing so with GT7; I was just unaware of the always online bs prior to purchase.
I hope that every single game Luke this continues to fail so badly that the companies lose millions. That seems to be the only thing that they understand.
@@Xoulrath_ facts.
"Keep some value for their purchase" you say? Well, this is your lucky day. Because if you just let me open one side of my trenchcoat in this dark, suspicious alley we happen to find us in right now, you'll notice I have these very special, very lucrative NFTs to sell. But be quiet! No one must know! People just don't get it... But we two, we do, yes we do. Oh, yes, I knew this one would pique your interest... Yeees, that's the stuff, am I right? That one will make you rich for sure. Good doing business with ya... Now skedaddle! I have to get rid of these worthless - no, sorry, revolutionary I meant - ape pictures too...!
Battleborn actually had content that you could technically play all by yourself. Sadly they made internet connection to the server a requirement for that as well.
@@StronkiTube I miss battleborn, it was fun even if it didn't do well.
Babylon’s Fall: *failed miserably*
Anthem: “Welcome to the club”
Considering Babylon didnt waste as much time as Anthem in development hell and is made literally using FFXIV asset flips, it dying probably won't put as much dent to Squeenix as it does to Platinum's reputation
Evolve
Saints row 2022: *hello there*
@@markshaw827 it's got a cult following that is loving the servers being back online right now
We've learned talented devs from genres other than live services should more often than not stay in their lane.
We are going from "big pieces of art" to: small, empty and overly promoted monolithic overpriced pieces of software that don't qualify as games. The factors that make a game fail are now widely known and I hope that it will start to be a reference to stop this avalanche of abusive games as a service.
This is different in Argentina. Stores never throw games or put them on a sale bin.
In a couple of years you still are going to find some Babyllon Fall copies at full price in stores. Like you can still find Battleborn at full price (or the full price it had at the time of release) in some places.
ah yes, the good old *third world economics* geniuses "let's hold on this garbage for forever, surely it will make us money some day" instead of you know, add space for products that'd actually make them money now.
but the game is completely online right? so even if you have a brand new disc, at the beginning of next year, the game ceases to function regardless.
That's disgusting.....
@@maniau Yeah but they're assholes and they'll make a profit selling you useless stuff.
I wish it was just Argentina. Latino America has this problem in other countries as well
With games like Bayonetta and Asttal Chains under platinum games belt, Bayblon's Fall poor decisions could not be more unfortunate to another company. Square really bungled this by getting so greedy with monetization that it broke the game pace of the game so early. Most monetization at least hide their greed and damages later into the games life.
Reminds me of 1982 E.T. The Extra Terrestrial where Atari had to dump their stocks onto landfills, because of how badly the game flopped. Was one of the reason for the 1982 videogame industry crash.
This is incredibly common. It happens any time the physical item is obsolete. Worked at gamestop for 6 years destroyed (took home) tons of things like battleborn or aging strategy guides.
Now i almost forget Battleborn.
The difference is that it's normally done years after launch when the console isn't sold anymore or something happened to make the game unsellable. This happening mere months after launch is the surprising part.
Man you brought up an old memory of Battleborn. Good game, obliterated at launch because of OW coming out the same time
oh yeah I remember buying all the strategy guides for 10 cents instead of marking them down. Nice opening up the store and getting all those low prices print out. We also used to put all the rare games in drawers when they sold 8bit-64 bit and save them to buy on payday.
This game just came out.
10~20 years from now we may find some physical copies of this game buried in the desert...
This truly was the Fall of Babylon
Moral of the story, don't put "fall" in the name of your live service game. (Godfall)
This is the *third time I've seen a story from you detailing a game that's gone so horribly that it's either being given away, or sold for so cheap that it's practically free, and I'm just starting to wonder if this is really going to keep happening.
(Forgot about fallout 76)
Live service am I right?
"Let's all laugh at an industry that never learns anything, Tee-hee hee!"
At this point we should come up with a name for these kind of short-sighted, live service trash fires.
Hope all these insane live service flops will make the industry stop trying to shove that down gamers' throats again.
live service :v
What was the first?
This is ultimately the future of every Live Service game after its run (whether by it failing or running its course), and that’s the scary thing.
I worked a shift at Dollar Tree today. You know there's too much of a bad game when the weekly wow section is full of copies.
Quit your dollar tree job bud. That place sucks.
@@MrReaperofDead quit your life.
@@MrReaperofDead We know that Dollar Tree is not a great place to work, but not everyone can afford themselves that exuberance to quit.
In many small towns in the US, stores like these constitute some of the few available entry level jobs available. Many people need to work and can't afford themselves to quit.
And under the system we work in now, someone will have to work that job. It's desirability is low, yes (although there are far worse jobs out there, such as in meatpacking), but if one does not work there, who do you expect to check you out? Or clean the aisles? Or restock?
@@MrReaperofDead you got another job for him bozo
I've been to about 12 different Dollar trees in the last week, haven't seen a single copy. What Dollar tree are you at that you're getting these?
As a game collector/game preservist, hearing that they are destroying copies makes me feel a way i don't like to feel
No such a thing as a game preservist when it comes to online-only live service games.
you dont own it, online only games are trash, even tf2 and csgo have offline modes with bots, but these new ones dont bother
@@tallscreengabbo yet here i am
@@axemfme3959 but the disc, box and the paper in the box should still be preserved.
@@Velocity3644 lol
This game wouldn't have been a failure if it was a single player hack and slash game like it was originally meant to be
Probably . Greedy suits are greedy though
True to that but unfortunately it's to late? What a shame they should've focused only on single player your right. Now it's just a empty shell 🐚.
And even of it was a failure, at least people would be able to still play the game being a single player game.
@@ImLikeYouIHaveNoName247 You assume they have enough brain cells to learn . We have dozens of examples and they still keep trying . At this point , I just assume the publisher will do the worst, most idiotic decisions each time new game looks too good . Usually , im right ...
That's what happens when you try to turn a train on a straight track.
Babylon's Fall being destroyed and becoming compost for the environment would still have been a better use of it than whatever the hell Square Enix decided to do with it
Plastic is not compost.
Bruh
@@tallscreengabbo Exactly.
Damn, I need to ask What even was Babylon's Fall? Does anyone see any marketing for it?
Exactly
They showed it at E3 like twice and the first teaser trailer looked cool and the second looked like ass
I haven’t heard anything about it until this video came up in my feed lol.
Genuinely wonder why it was so bad. I always hear about the fallout but not about why it was so bad it flopped. Diablo Immortal is terrible but that was a success (unfortunately)
@@joeyjojos5839 I see sadly I don't watch E3 anymore but thanks for the information going to check those videos.
I feel like any online only game thats going to be shut down should be made into a single player game so that people who bought it can still have something to play when the servers shut down. (especially when physical versions exist)
First Anthem & now Babylon's Fall. Dude this is so depressing. This is why game studios & publishers should think twice before they decide to do live service games because 9 outta 10 times, live service games flop.
I hope & pray that Platinum Games will survive this disaster. I want Astral Chain 2🤞🤞
It's not that live-service are automatically doomed. It's just that publishers are too lazy to make the game have decent content at launch. They think they can release a half-assed game and add content to it later and make money.
Live service games can be great, just like mobile games can be great. It’s just the market is terrible and the big companies that produce them get greedy and cheap.
@@WeavileLady got any mobile recommendations? I'd like something good to play on the go but having issues wading through the garbage.
@@charanth182
Forager
Rouge Jack
Super mega worm
What the golf
The Battle of Polytopia
Many of the final fantasies are in mobile store and play well on phone
Stardew
Severed
Melvor idle
Super gaint’s ports like bastion
Robot unicorn 2
Smash hit
Reign
Death road
Barbearian
Hyper light
Dead cells
There probably more, I like a lot of crawlers and hack and slashes though
If you have iOS Apple Arcade I say worth trying out. Didn’t put any of those on there but they have some solid ones I can recommend.
If you don’t care for what’s in the store of what’s in iOS or Android you can always use an emulator for out of date games you had. Smart phones might not run like your pc but many have great processing power and can run plenty of older games.
Sorry this was so lengthy.
@@charanth182 already made a long list but I felt it’s worth adding although I have many ports on there, games that are good in one platform don’t always port well on phone. I love binding of Isaac and goat simulator can be fun but the limitation on controls and and size of the screen can effect gameplay. The ones I put on work well if you ask me. Playing starwdew valley in a plane flight was complete nostalgia of the times I played my gameboy during a road trip when I was a kid.
To be very honest, if it is a live service game, I'm on the verge of passing completely. I don't want to invest time in a game when someone can just turn off the servers and take it away from me.
I'm the same way with Cloud games too. The fact that Kingdom Hearts on switch was only cloud-based broke my heart. And I never really understood the appeal of live service games.
It was tragic humor how they tried to save the launch with a Nier Collab at the start, I felt so bad with some streamers who were paid to promote it and play it
I like how on the Anthem receipt he showed where the guy bought 37 copies for a penny each the bottom still says the generic Gamestop thing of "You saved *$220.52* today!" and it's like, even back then, "Did I really?", and with the benefit of hindsight, it's like, "Nope, I just bought some funny looking coasters."
Damn, maybe I should get a copy for the history books, lmao.
Was just thinking the same lol
It would look nice on my game shelf, tho would never touch it
I don't collect garbage.
What would even be the point, the game would not even be playable, so even for preservation proposes is pointless.
Prices already going up since stores pulled it. I grabbed a copy for platinum preservation sake.
I'd really like to see a deep dive by Kotaku or a WhatHappun? episode about how this game failed so hard. Design by committee? Bad focus testing? Bad demographics research? Poor marketing? Wretched game design/mechanics/gameplay loop/etc.? How did this ever release with expectations of being successful and hugely profitable?
I hope that this will serve as a case against internet requirement for games, if it was playable offline with single player content, it will still make money even if it was a little, and there would be no need to go this far to pull it from stores, may be even people will return to it one day and appreciate as a "hidden gem" or "misunderstood game" or even "underrated game" like a lot of games, but this is what they get with live service; no servers? game gone.
This is why I will never get a game that requires internet to work even for single player like what they did with COD in 2019 going forward, or Ghost recon breakpoint.
“Babylons Fall”
The goddamn irony..
We are reaching Looney Tunes levels of failure that shouldn't have ever been possible.
This is why I'll always play single player games, I don't have the time to wait in a lobby, when I can just get in the game and go. I'll happily play with bots!
Honestly this is a good trend, if more devs feel the pain which in turn hurts the publishers and stock holders maybe it’ll force them to put out more bangers instead of hangers like this.
I don’t like how the devs hurt, like with anthem they were forced to do a lot of changes, many last minute ones thanks to higher ups.
Not really, they'll just abandon stuff like this and make easy cashgrab mobile games instead, and prevent other devs from trying.
I don't like how people tend to point their fingers on the devs, when more often than not in cases like this it's more the moneymen fault that the game was a directionless mess. Especially if the studio is an estabilished one, what already has a track record of good games.
Do you really think that from one game to an other platinum games just suddenly lost their ability to make good games? It's not like blizzard, where the decline in quality is there for years now...
What probably happened was that some idiot at SE was thinking that "damn FFXIV brings in a ton of money, let's do an other game like that, and just toss it to PG and tell them they can only start working on Bayonetta 3 if they finish this one" .
@@bookfish Considering that SE has nothing to do with B3 and Nintendo, meanwhile has nothing to do with BF, I am going to press X on that one.
you would hope but i heard platinum wants to focus only on live service games because "they don't make enough money" so it looks like they did the opposite of learning. they're fucking doubling down.
The least they could do was implement a patch to enable offline play and debug mode (so that you can scale down enemies since you're playing solo now)
Otherwise this feels like a cash grab, worst is it might be remembered as one
Platinum thought that by making a live service for the sake of pure monetization that it'd make them a pretty penny and "more independent". They got what they deserved.
Edit: Reminder that the execs at Platinum directly said this was their goal. Regardless of Square Enix's role Platinum's leadership explicitly endorsed it, despite having successfully crowdfunded games in the past showing that if they were truly hard up for cash they didn't need to resort to predatory monetization. I repeat: They got what they deserved.
Something tells me that it could be publisher interference. Apparently, Babylon's Fall wasn't originally made be an MMO.
Can you actually source this or are you just making it up?
I believe it was Square Enix who decided that the game should be a live service.
...cause that worked out so well for them last time. *coughAvengerscough*
Squeenix is funding the project, and if squeenix wants live service then platinum has to comply, I feel squeenix did them dirty here
Even if it was Square's idea for a live service, the game looks horrible and the combat is atrocious. Live services succeed from time to time, they just have to be good games.
Take a studio who specializes in single player high octane experiences and get them to make a live service product, what could go wrong?
Wait....save the case destroy the disk
the elephant in the room is that gaming is simply too crowded. There are too many games, too many live services all vying for your attention.
The same with android games
Crowded maybe, but they are not all extraordinary masterpieces.
Platinum used to deliver better products and the people were satisfied.
If you deliver half baked games or try to phone in on live service scam, you will drown in the sea of the crowded market. And that's only a natural reaction.
Bayo 3 will prove if they still got it. It was in development long enough. And it does not have the stain of a live service on it
Did anybody expect this to actually be a hit?
Not after they confirmed it was live-service.
I did, and it hit the ground, hard.
I sure as hell didn't. When I saw this game announced with others like the new Saints' Row, I knew for certain this shit would fall on release.
It's the modern day E.T. game oh my god
Not even Balan Wonderland managed this
Imagine if we had someone like yoshi p just turn everything around for Babylon's Fall like what happened with ffxiv
That guy should not have to be the janitor for every live-service fuck-up Square releases.
Which is ironic because Babylon is basically an XIV asset flip
If Platinum Games couldn't fix this shit, nobody could.
Except FF14 was not only a game of the company's flagship franchise but actually managed to get a substancial number of players even in it's broken state. Thats why they bothered with a 2.0 version.
Ff14 1.0 was better than Babylon's Fall.
How could they just destroy the discs like that? They should've at least, prior to that, stick a "DESTROYED" label on the box, in the Guilty Gear font.
Wow! Didn't this game release this year? Is this a speed run record. I don't know if I have ever heard of a game not lasting till a discount holiday fire sale
11:10 At this point I feel like on average turning a game into a live service is a great way to kill it.
To think that within a year’s time, we got Babylon’s Fall and Bayonetta 3. Talk about to extreme differences (going to hope Bayo 3 has a great launch for Platinum’s sake).
same studio and what change is the publisher, one let's platinum do its thing, the other wanted a live service to "make money" quick
and SqEnix still keep making these mistakes.
@@endless2239 Very true. I know I've given Square some flack too about their approach as of late. Ignoring NFTs (since that's still an issue in its own right), it seems like they really want to recapture that magic FF14 got when it relaunched, but between Avengers, Outriders and the aforementioned Babylon's Fall, it hasn't been a worthwhile endeavor yet.
Who knows what the future holds for S-E, but it is definitely a mixed bag of positives and negatives (or at least positives as far as the FF front goes. Minus Record Keeper though since that's closing up shop this week everywhere that isn't Japan).
Bayonetta is only on Switch though, so sales might not be that good.
@@mas8705 don't give them any slack, the only reason FF14 is any good is because Yoshida must be giving his soul to defend that game from the others execs, and heck, the idea to put Yoshi in charge of that was taken by the exCEO in the first place.
nowadays who they have is "we fully embrace NTF" Matsuda, so unless they change the upper crust, I'm not that hopeful.
@@endless2239 This, FF14 is Yoshi P's baby and the only thing SE has on it is the name. good thing he has enough leverage by being the only live service game that is actually successful so the shortsighted execs cant touch it
This whole situation reminds me of how MAG and Zipper Interactive unceremoniously ended. Here's hoping Platinum recovers.
i have faith that Bayonetta 3 will pull Platinum out of this little slump, i wonder why Platinum went this direction while they are known for their single player, linear games with a a tight, smooth combat flow, it really was strange and it still is :)
Because they were hired and paid to make the game, why else?
@@timothykirby4406 i think Platinum themselves wanted to make it, which is strange
@@James-gj8rn they got some new money hungry ceo who wants to get away from games like bayonetta and more like babo fall.
@@gjergjaurelius9798 I thought Atsushi Inaba was the CEO? It changed?
@@James-gj8rn Because if you're a studio that has historically been on the brink of bankrupt several times and a big company like Square Enix hires you to make any kind of game you say yes if only to stay afloat.
People seem to forget that while Platinum has bangers like Bayonetta, Vanquish, Metal Gear RIsing and Automata, they have also produced _shovelware_ like Transformers, Korra or TMNT just to keep on going. They are not a really stable studio to the point they said they would be happy if they were bought up.
Hope Bayo 3 sells like hotcakes because after what happened with Babylon's fall I doubt they would ever be hired again to make a live service game and they need a win ASAP.
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Something that makes this even more sad, this is actually the 2nd time Platinum tries to make an online multiplayer game and becomes a failure, the first time was with Anarchy Reigns and was a hack-slash too.
Nah, what to sob for? good that game become failure. Good wake up slap for those grb8 decisions
OK, this is actually a true story! I was at the mall and went to GameStop! I asked the GameStop employees that do they still sell Babylon's Fall, and they say no because the game is shutting down! They don't sell the game anymore! He said I would've been there 2 weeks ago but that wasn't the time until YongYea uploaded this video about getting Babylon's Fall for free on PS4/PS5 at GameStop!
The reason why I want to get that game for free is because I want to keep the display case only, not playing that flop game! If it comes with a disc, I'm not inserting it, but I just want to diy it! We laughed at the game that flopped and also thinking about if Gotham Knights will be flopped or success!
And before I got home, i walk to another GameStop and this time, it's next to my house and I asked the same question and same reason! They still said No and then said the same thing shutting down the game! At the end, we laughed at the game that flopped again! So then I walked home and got over with getting Babylon's Fall for free on PS4/PS5! So that's my actual true story of what happened today! (9•30•2022)
I don't think I've ever been as disappointed in the potential for a game (early after it was announced) to when it was actually released. I got worried when they sort of re-announced it as live service and all, but I never thought it would be this bad. My goodness, I need to know what happened here.
I remember Shaq-Fu being so horrible that a group of people would procure any copy of the game they can to destroy Shaq-Fu. I remember people using copies of Haze as coasters. I wonder what other uses can people find for this game?
Can't believe Anthem lasted longer than this one lol.
The irony of the games title is great
Hey, this might be a good way to get a new case for any games that may have had a broken case in your collection. Just remove the Babylon's fall paper and put your old game's in. Viola.
"I don't think it will effect them much due to them working on bayonetta and other successful games being bought on top of this unfortunate game Squeenix has a fair share of moments for trying something different but, the vision wasn't there."
Also they already cancel the game service only on its last legs.
Last note- Remember square is not good at live service which means ff 14 was a truly blessed game but that does not mean they can replicate the same miracle onto other games to monetize it with loot boxes.
This is pretty normal for non-saleable merchandise. I managed a GameStop for years and we gave away (or took home) a surprising amount of stuff that couldn't be sold for whatever reason.
Remember that ET game they have to bury in the desert? Now it finally may have a companion
JUST called my Gamestop (East Coast Canada) - they have none so appears they were already destroyed or thrown out
Suprised that hasn't happened to the saints row reboot yet.
Give it time, it just came out. Just gotta wait for the GTA crowd to fade
I've noticed GS will break a disk on purpose claiming a person did with no warranty. No one bringing a blue ray smashed to bits into a GS store.
They try to pressure ppl into extra $1 or $2 protection plan that's not needed.
CD PROJEKT red: hey let me regain the respect of our fans with an awesome anime series
Platinum games: Hold my beer and lose the respect of some of our fans
CD Projekt Red will go bankrupt soon because almost everyone refunded Cyberpunk
PlatinumGames used to be one of my all-time favorite developers. They made four of my all-time favorite games: Bayonetta 1+2, Metal Gear rising, Nier: Automata, and Astral Chain. Not a day dgoes by that I don't know about those games in some manner, either from how much fun I had with them, or the amazing soundtracks each of them have. But between them no longer being in charge Nier (and their previous game being broken still being broken 4 years later, having never been fixed), Bayonetta 3 and Astral Chain 2 (if it ever comes) being trapped on the switch, a console I absolutely hate playing on, and dodging the asteroid that is Babylon's Fall (which I almost did not- I almost let me being a fan of previous work steer me into getting it), I honestly can't bring myself to care about them and whatever happens to them any longer. The games I want are on consoles I don't like and the games they put elsewhere are games I don't care for, so I cannot enjoy their work anymore. It is really sad to be writing this.
As someone who played babylons fall (free demo weekend) it felt soulless and awful, I can't believe that platinum games was in any way happy or invested in it, it just feels like a corporate mandated checklist and not an actual game. Still I hope platinum can rebound and get back on top
Waiting for gamestop/walmart to start giving away and destroying copies of saints row 2022.
I should score a copy and place it lovingly next to my physical copy of Lawbreakers.
And BattleBorn and Brink
@@UlookinMe and evolve and the culling 2
@@pingus9934 don't forget Anthem
@@pingus9934 Evolve, bruh. That brings back memories. Good marketing, shit gameplay.
Pick up anthem for a penny while your at it. And wait for gamestop to start giving away and destroying copies of saints row 2022!
I always thought Platinum games was a SquareEnix studio but they're in fact independant. Therefore I thought Babylon's Fall was entirely the responsability of SE (forcing one of their major studios to make a live service game) but maybe it's not. And I now understand why SE launched another hack and slash inspired by its best IP, Final Fantasy's Stranger of Paradise, just two weeks after Platinum's game.
Imagine wasting materials on this.
Don’t buy live service games, don’t buy multiplayer only unless it’s at launch… actually don’t buy multiplayer only. If it’s multiplayer only then it needs to be free to play since you have no idea if the game has an expiration date. Does anyone still buy black ops 4?
This games predicament sounds like what happend to that game from the 80's " E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial " that was so bad all the physical copies was dumped and buried in a secret sandpit, Years later Yeah some idiot bought all the games in the end for collectors purpose 😅
If there isn't an option for offline play, it isn't even worth the penny. Then again, with a game that bad, they'd have to pay users to play.
we're seeing a game become lost media in real time.
I don't get this destructiveness, Gamestop could at least, after marking the games down as a loss, pull out the discs and covers, and then sell the cases for cheap, as replacement cases for people who has broken cases at home that could use replacing.
This is not platinum's fault, Squeenix is 100% to blame.
at this point the industry should reinvent itself and stop with trash and shady practices before any problematic issues leeds to economic disaster.
Damn. I wouldnt even take it tbh
I'm mainly worried about Platinum because similarly good studios have been shitcanned by publishers like Activision and EA for lesser failures, and Square _REALLY_ seems to be speedrunning the "Become Japanese Activision/EA" track.
Ive been following your channel for years and only now am I realizing that you narrate everything you show on screen in a way that makes your videos more accessible to visually impared youtube goers. Good on you!
Why even release online only game on disc. It's just waste of money and materials.
Imo, it's pointless to buy live-service-only games.
Understandable, me on the other hand, If hey weren't so hard, I would have use Babylon's Fall Physical Copies to wipe my arse!!
Big shoutout to Gamestop for the free cases and coasters!
Shame that physical copy still costs like $80 for the PS5 version here in Japan.
My local store said the vendor already came and took all the copies because they didn't want them to be given away. Thank goodness they acted quickly otherwise they wouldn't have been able to destroy them. Imagine giving garbage away for free. That would be too nice.
Oh man I was pretty worried for the economy there for a second
I notice that Curry's in the UK is still selling copies. For £15.
That's typical scummy Curry's for you.
They're goods are overpriced and they sell extended warranties that aren't worth the price.
So yeah, it really doesn't surprise me that they're selling a game that many other retailers are destroying or giving away(I don't think any stores in the UK will give stock away).
Again I was expecting yong laughing for 12 minutes
It's not fun to watch a game from a beloved dev fail. This is more a tragedy than a comedy at this point.
Some people prefer destroying/throwing stuff out than giving shit away.
Some assholes would actually spend energy to destroy bottles of water that don't sell because to them it's better to destroy what isn't sold than to give it away to those who might actually use or need it.
Well that's what happens with online only games sooner or later. Servers shut down and the disk they're printed on becomes an expensive drink coaster. Or not so expensive if you're getting one at this very moment.
These greedy, foolish publishers have got to learn that "Live Service" is *NOT* a business model that will find broad commercial acceptance and success amongst the end-users unless it is in a genre that requires continually updated multiplayer for the core gameplay experience, such as MMORPGs, MOBAs, Battle Royales and the odd similarly-maintained E-Sports titles like competitive shooters _(CS:GO,_ for example).
When _Babylon's Fall_ shuts down in February 2023, it will be time for the game to be archived including a playable system of client/server architecture or an offline-only workaround, for preservation purposes; given the end of all commercial activity regarding the game and the inherent cultural importance of preserving works of art and entertainment, even the failures, such preservationist activities must be protected from corporate opposition.
I must mention this was also among the first games that jumped onto the price hike train and was selling at CAD$91.49 if I recall correctly, definitely over $90, when most AAA games still were selling for CAD$79.99.
truly i never heard of babylon fall outside of yongyea talking about it.
Wait....GameStop still around?
For now.
Not in my country they're not.
I've only heard of this game a handful of times and I've immediately forgotten that it exists every single time.