This is a problem in every team game. The two fixes are 1. Hurt matchmaking times and pair solo v solo and premade vs premade 2. Make penalties for losses smaller and gains for wins bigger when putting solo vs premade
@@Justin-cw7rg In other games its lower TTK and you can try to carry but in this game with high TTK and gadget spam its just unplayable. Its killing the game in my opinion. Other casual mods are all the same i mean they play the same.
Diamond 3 stacks should only face other 3 stacks. Idc what it does to their q's. It's toxic to the balance of MM and will always be a problem, especially since diamond 3 stacks can face gold players. That alone, is enough to make some players not want to play ranked. It is very punishing from the casual solo q perspective and is not creating a good community environment.
There just isnt enough people for a seperate que for solos, rip... try getting some ppl to play with...im very antisocial, but its not that hard... i tried friend some ppl who were good, and had good vibes.. and now we have s 3stack
I would be fine with season 2 system if I know how close i am to ranking up. Solo q only lobbies would also be nice. Duo people would probably go with the solos. Just as long as it isn't a 3 stack up against 3 solos
I think the problem is the game is so unique in many aspects so why u don't take the extra mile and make a ranked experience unique too? It doesn't have to be like other games( bronze/silver/gold.. etc) just make a new thing like fame points but at huge scale or a sponsor system where you have to reach a certain amount of fame to be sponsored in that season? A lot of ideas but i think they went with the safe option like everyone used to.
i dont understand why games have a visual skill rating different from invis skill rating. just show everyone exactly what their 'elo' is so there is no confusion. personally i think that 'journey' is still there without visual/hidden elo
I wrote a paragraph trying to make this point and just deleted it because you said it in 1 line. Why is it not still a 'journey' if a player starts in Bronze, crushes the competition in a few games and earns huge ELO point boosts early on (sorry "fame point" boosts) and ranks up quickly? This seems like a feature not a bug, and in a sense feels more "realistic" to if THE FINALS was a real esport in the distant future. New players would burst on the scene and capture the attention of fans just like they do in major sports today all the time. If you need to balance that fast rise dynamic out so that players aren't just "hitting diamond" and calling it a day, dramatically slow and taper progression to higher ranks near the top and gradually add new ranks and progressions so that low ELO and high ELO players alike who are still improving can see their ELO points (sorry, "fame points") continue to increase, if on an absolute basis and not a relative basis. What else am I missing? Anyway, your point seems to be Ekazo's, as well, and I really hope it is what Embark is signaling it will move towards in Season 3.
@@Alex-qq1gm Totally correct! But that's why they could slow down progression as people's ELO goes up. Why couldn't this work? Done well, it could probably get this to balance out so that players who initially move up faster play at least as much as they previously would without the change, not to mention that players won't grind at all if it's not a good experience able to attract players in the first place.
I think changing ranked mid season is bad and agree with their reasoning. It could make some people feel like they’ve wasted their time if they start falling. It’s better to refresh a ranked system after a reset that way it’s consistent
Invisible skill rating is actually very useful if used correctly. Best use would be you are always attempted to be matched with you hidden mmr but only within your actual rank (or a little bit above/below)
I'm also confused. I have three arrows yesterday and today when I just losed at the final round, the arrows still three and not promoted yet like, there is no transparancy on it
what i dont understand is how you can go down 3 notches for placing second in the final round and having gone positive in both of the knockout rounds but negative in the final round. ive had 10 or so finals were my team (a full diamond team) have lost two a full diamond team or two high diamonds and a plat 1 or 2 and gone down 3 notches. Ive even had a few wins were we only go up 1 or 2 notches. its so inconsistent i dont understand, honestly kind of infuriating especially since i feel like because of this ive plateaud at 1000th-1500th on the leaderboard. I understand that its probably fair but not knowing why is so annoying..
If they’re saying the hidden mmr is working they are completely wrong, whenever there’s a team w golds in a lobby w all plats/diamonds they get destroyed. But with this game having a loser player count then most other games w similar ranked modes idk if it will ever be possible to completely balance matchmaking at the higher ranks
Honestly this season of ranked is good. I haven’t had a single issue with it. I’m D1 on my main and just went from P4-P2 on my alt in 4 games. My only disagreement would be diamond being the cap. Sounds like they will be adding a new rank next season from the Q&A tho.
@@Timayy challenging yourself to reach diamond with different weapons and loadouts. Currently using throwing knives on light. My main account I played medium.
Only 2 bad things this season is Diamond being the max rank. And of course SoloQ still too hard. Form a team from friends list is hard, friends list dont make it easy to form a group even with alot of friends online, comms in game is hard, ping system is not that strong. And this game is so dependent on teamplay. Only way for me to really hit Diamond is by finding teammates on discord. Otherwise its just impossible
i think the reason they didn't change it right away is because people might be close to plat or diamond or something and they could miss out on getting those rewards i do hope they add at least one more rank though, rocket league has 8 lol
Ranked is in a horrible state and it's completely visible even on a surface glance. Why are we STILL being penalized for leavers in solo queue? I'm just not going to play ranked next season, problem solved. They fumbled the bag completely & I have lost faith that they can solve it-- as they have proven the opposite.
If they put 3 stack team in same game against solo q players with no mic ranked will always be unbalance and boring
This is a problem in every team game. The two fixes are 1. Hurt matchmaking times and pair solo v solo and premade vs premade 2. Make penalties for losses smaller and gains for wins bigger when putting solo vs premade
@@Justin-cw7rg In other games its lower TTK and you can try to carry but in this game with high TTK and gadget spam its just unplayable. Its killing the game in my opinion. Other casual mods are all the same i mean they play the same.
Diamond 3 stacks should only face other 3 stacks. Idc what it does to their q's. It's toxic to the balance of MM and will always be a problem, especially since diamond 3 stacks can face gold players.
That alone, is enough to make some players not want to play ranked. It is very punishing from the casual solo q perspective and is not creating a good community environment.
@@SanguineNightsTV Would literally become unplayable outside of peak playtimes. Just third party and grief them if you can't beat in a fair fight
There just isnt enough people for a seperate que for solos, rip... try getting some ppl to play with...im very antisocial, but its not that hard... i tried friend some ppl who were good, and had good vibes.. and now we have s 3stack
I would be fine with season 2 system if I know how close i am to ranking up.
Solo q only lobbies would also be nice. Duo people would probably go with the solos. Just as long as it isn't a 3 stack up against 3 solos
Solo q only lobbies will increase matchmaking time by alot
Lots of people solo q
1:00 "Five-paragraph essay"... Blowing up his spot with the 6th grade (in the U.S.) writing lessons. 😆
I think the problem is the game is so unique in many aspects so why u don't take the extra mile and make a ranked experience unique too? It doesn't have to be like other games( bronze/silver/gold.. etc) just make a new thing like fame points but at huge scale or a sponsor system where you have to reach a certain amount of fame to be sponsored in that season? A lot of ideas but i think they went with the safe option like everyone used to.
It’s a cool idea but it might be very daunting for new players to understand. Occam’s razor I guess, the simpler the better
i dont understand why games have a visual skill rating different from invis skill rating. just show everyone exactly what their 'elo' is so there is no confusion. personally i think that 'journey' is still there without visual/hidden elo
I wrote a paragraph trying to make this point and just deleted it because you said it in 1 line. Why is it not still a 'journey' if a player starts in Bronze, crushes the competition in a few games and earns huge ELO point boosts early on (sorry "fame point" boosts) and ranks up quickly? This seems like a feature not a bug, and in a sense feels more "realistic" to if THE FINALS was a real esport in the distant future. New players would burst on the scene and capture the attention of fans just like they do in major sports today all the time. If you need to balance that fast rise dynamic out so that players aren't just "hitting diamond" and calling it a day, dramatically slow and taper progression to higher ranks near the top and gradually add new ranks and progressions so that low ELO and high ELO players alike who are still improving can see their ELO points (sorry, "fame points") continue to increase, if on an absolute basis and not a relative basis. What else am I missing? Anyway, your point seems to be Ekazo's, as well, and I really hope it is what Embark is signaling it will move towards in Season 3.
To make you play more by grinding for the badges.
@@Alex-qq1gm Totally correct! But that's why they could slow down progression as people's ELO goes up. Why couldn't this work? Done well, it could probably get this to balance out so that players who initially move up faster play at least as much as they previously would without the change, not to mention that players won't grind at all if it's not a good experience able to attract players in the first place.
I think changing ranked mid season is bad and agree with their reasoning. It could make some people feel like they’ve wasted their time if they start falling. It’s better to refresh a ranked system after a reset that way it’s consistent
Invisible skill rating is actually very useful if used correctly. Best use would be you are always attempted to be matched with you hidden mmr but only within your actual rank (or a little bit above/below)
Valorant is the only game to ever finally get it right and it took them so many seasons to get there
I got more kills than deaths my team got second first and first. But I only went up three notches
Did you think you were supposed go up more than three notches? I thought the max is 3 notches.
I’m gold 1, I went up 3 notches I’m still gold 1. You can get a maximum of 6 notches I’m somewhat sure
I'm also confused. I have three arrows yesterday and today when I just losed at the final round, the arrows still three and not promoted yet like, there is no transparancy on it
what i dont understand is how you can go down 3 notches for placing second in the final round and having gone positive in both of the knockout rounds but negative in the final round. ive had 10 or so finals were my team (a full diamond team) have lost two a full diamond team or two high diamonds and a plat 1 or 2 and gone down 3 notches. Ive even had a few wins were we only go up 1 or 2 notches. its so inconsistent i dont understand, honestly kind of infuriating especially since i feel like because of this ive plateaud at 1000th-1500th on the leaderboard. I understand that its probably fair but not knowing why is so annoying..
If they’re saying the hidden mmr is working they are completely wrong, whenever there’s a team w golds in a lobby w all plats/diamonds they get destroyed. But with this game having a loser player count then most other games w similar ranked modes idk if it will ever be possible to completely balance matchmaking at the higher ranks
Honestly this season of ranked is good. I haven’t had a single issue with it. I’m D1 on my main and just went from P4-P2 on my alt in 4 games. My only disagreement would be diamond being the cap. Sounds like they will be adding a new rank next season from the Q&A tho.
Why do you need an alt in this type of game if you don’t mind me asking
@@Timayy challenging yourself to reach diamond with different weapons and loadouts. Currently using throwing knives on light. My main account I played medium.
Only 2 bad things this season is Diamond being the max rank. And of course SoloQ still too hard. Form a team from friends list is hard, friends list dont make it easy to form a group even with alot of friends online, comms in game is hard, ping system is not that strong. And this game is so dependent on teamplay.
Only way for me to really hit Diamond is by finding teammates on discord. Otherwise its just impossible
i think the reason they didn't change it right away is because people might be close to plat or diamond or something and they could miss out on getting those rewards
i do hope they add at least one more rank though, rocket league has 8 lol
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Terminal attack needs ranked
Ranked is in a horrible state and it's completely visible even on a surface glance. Why are we STILL being penalized for leavers in solo queue? I'm just not going to play ranked next season, problem solved. They fumbled the bag completely & I have lost faith that they can solve it-- as they have proven the opposite.
your hair just like that liar