Ascalon's talent/skills are designed to be much better blatantly This is the inevitable difference between the old and new 솔직히 좀 노골적으로 아스카론의 재능/스킬셋 등이 훨씬 좋게 설계되어있습니다 어쩔 수 없는 구오퍼와 신오퍼의 차이
Until now, there were many cases where Mizuki and Manticore were used together From now on, Ascalon and Mizuki will probably be used together, so Mizuki fans can still rest assured.
I agree Mizuki s2s3 sucks. but not s1 ascalon can create her own environment to do much dmg as she can Mizuki is designed to do damage when the enemy is blocked by other op Mizuki dph s1 is obviously > Ascalon dph s1 If you compare levels with saria or shu support both side Mizuki has an obvious advantage
Mizuki’s S1 is better against single (or two if with module) targets, which doesn’t occur too often, especially when the talent only triggers on the lowest HP enemy, which is probably a non-important target. Meanwhile, a problem that Ascalon has for her S1 is that it hits twice, resulting in the enemy’s DEF affecting it more compared to Mizuki's heavy single strike. In that case… why not bring both? They perfectly covered each other weaknesses.
@Zack_Zander just like my another comment manticore + Mizuki is a pretty decent squad. For now, ascalon has a better cc than ascalon and does a pretty decent damage they will work perfectly together
Alternatively for stalkers, what Mizuki needs is an extension skill, or a top up skill duration that is not yet available in any character, since his kit is on numbers of enemies, a battlefield that is full of enemies like the ones demonstrated should give Mizuki and especially him but not for Ethan, Kirara or Manticore - a skill duration extension+ other effects, like after 3 kills, + 2 seconds / after 5 kills + 5 seconds and slow/ after 10 kills + slow and bind chance 25% etc The more effects the better. As is the only way for Mizuki to compete with Ascalon is to have AAk buff him, and Angelina on standby buff as well.
Well the greatest difference they have is that Mizuki is a instant DPS/nuke type while Ascalon is a crowd control and Damage over time. Being able to slow down the enemies makes a lot of difference on how many DPS the operator can inflict, and remember Ascalon is a DOT type and can slow so she is obviously always fighting on her own ground. But as what Sciel says it's a new vs. old so we can already guess that Ascalon is going to be better than Mizuki
this video kinda misleading since all the scenarios are just land-holding and it’s never been mizuki’s role. if you watch Arknights What If Project’s video you can clearly see against high def enemies, mizuki can do much better compare to ascalon. at the end of the day, no one’s gonna just bring 1 operator to solo the whole map, so as long as mizuki can kill enemies with the help of defenders, he’s gonna be fine
Mizuki has more than good damage, the only issue is that it is better on a single target without any distraction due to how his talent only targets the lowest HP. In that case, Mizuki and Ascalon literally covered each other weaknesses. Mizuki’s S1 is good against a +DEF single target but bad against a swarm of enemies. Ascalon’s S1 is bad against a +DEF single target but good against a swarm of enemies.
@@IamHero_1337 Yeah, although from how I see it, a better placement would be having Ascalon a little further in front of Mizuki so she can take out as many low HP/DEF enemies so that anything that leaks by should be tanky enough for Mizuki to take care of. Tossing in Manticore and/or Ethan between the two will add more leeway for the two to do more damage…
@@Zack_Zandersure, but at that point just replace Ascalon with S3 Quibai. If you want to be optimal, of course. Fun-wise Mizuki + Ascalon is definitely the winner, and I'm personally running all three in IS myself.
A Reminder for those that actually pretend to play with Mizuki or think that he should be replaced by Ascalon: You're definitely not using Mizuki for the same things as Ascalon. If you want the same level of Slowing down the Enemy approach, bring Ethan. Mizuki is like an Advanced Kirara, which means: A ground AoE Caster. His Skill 1 does big dmg without you have to give much of a notice. His Skill 2 is less like an actual crowd-control skill, but his Skill to focus his damage on one specific wave, while at the same time slowing them down a bit so with the help of others operators, the enemies are sure to perish. His S3, or you use his Y-Module built, bring a medic to him or is when there's really too many enemies to deal with, this will be your button to just screw it and defeat every small to average mob. Per example: 11-6
I felt sad at first when I watched this and how Ascalon is much better in many cases and the discussion really lean toward Ascalon being the star with Mizuki probably taking a backseat to support her. But coming back, one thing that I do believe that Mizuki still has over Ascalon is that he scales much better with offensive buffs than Ascalon especially when Attack speed is involved. Whenever I use Mizuki now, it's always to do Mizuki S2 + Aak S3 because of how strong and spammable it is, combining every possible modifier from both side into one. It's a 20 sec zone of death on a 28 sec cd with Aak's mod, feeling like the Aak-Lin combo but on the ground tile instead. Ascalon skills rotation doesn't work as well with Aak buffs and even if she can hit really fast, she isn't triggering 60% extra Art damage per hit like Mizuki does. And with Ela coming up in Global, I will be able to do Ela, Aak and Mizuki to trigger the 3x class ASPD bonus on Shu. The Fragile on Ela's mine just reward having a bursty playstyle even more. Kinda fitting how in the story, Ascalon really does shine best when you make her go do solo stuff in the middle of the enemy side because if she's with the other op in a big confrontation, she start losing.
I wish I could say Mizuki still has a nice single target damage, but Ascalon slows enemies and they take damage over time, how is Mizuki gonna be better than her in any situation? Even if a new delta module arrives, won't she eventually get one too? Won't she grow even stronger herself when her time comes?
Not always, there are operators that don't get a Delta module. Also, there are also some who don't receive a second module either (even if both modules don't help them as much, such as Phantom’s two modules vs Texa-Alter and Yato-Alter single module)
Why are several of these tests manipulated to make Mizuki look worse than he actually is? You fit Manticore into several of the runs so ascalon can cram her damage stacks in where she normally wouldnt be able to, had mizuki s2 go against massive waves when his bind is supposed to be against small numbers at a time. And you intentionally faced his s3 backwards so he had 1 tile LESS to hit enemies when he should have 1 MORE than Ascalon
Ascalon's atk speed is somthing else, her entire kit makes her superior to all the other stalkers as they all have slow attack speed. So if a module exists, the one for her should be about her atk numbers or slow duration. And for Mizuki it should be for his atk speed.
Mizuki has more burst damage, Ascalon has better sustained damage + crowd control, which means she can keep enemies inside her attack range for longer and consequently kill them by herself.
Mizuki tends to work as Finisher that's why I place him near some damage dealer,and probably a good thing to place both of em back to back coz of Mizuki's Finisher trait
NGL I expected more when they say Asca's gonna powercreep Mizuki. Not that I'm gonna pull, I mainly use Ambushers for RA, and Ethan + Mizuki CC already good enough for that.
you need 2 operators for CC and damage in RA when Ascalon can solo with much better results. i dont know if you are blind or iust refuse to accept she is the best ambusher i played RA2 again and my play through is so much better because of her 35 sec with +110% attack with passive arts damage and slow that stacks thrice with a 20 sp downtime us not impressive to you, then idk what mizuki is then
Except, Ascalon CC effectively makes her better at killing than Mizuki. Big damage barely matters if the enemy is already outside of his range before he could kill them. The video literally shows it.
@@iintendtoboilyourteeth6573 This video doesnt outright show everything? Like did i need to say this? Mizuki is one of the best operators in IS wich is arguably where his main use comes from anyway. Also making a solo showcase completely undermines Mizuki, he isnt supposed to be alone on a lane as Ambushers have slow attack speeds, they are a external aoe dps tool that breaks the pressure on the wave while dealing good damage to everyone there, only other units thats capable of these are Chalter and executor alter then that cant do it passively. The fact that i got two replies saying this is just embarrassing. Its like saying Surtr leaks enemies when she dies lmao
@@kyarumomochi5146 And yet...she does what Mizuki does not...holding the lanes that she's not supposed to be able to do...Your point being?! That Mizuki is weaker, yes. That's the point of this video. Mizuki didn't become weaker, but Ascalon is a better option for at least majority of the content. It's as simple as that.
i can see how they treat females here lmao~ that attack speed on ascalon the damage beach of course they going to side out mizuki~ even i got ascalonn she will stay forever lvl 1 and the DURATION almost all males has the fastest way of running out duration.
man im astonished how people can be stupid when they are biased. if you dont agree Asca is better than Mizuki (which the video clearly showcased) then enjoy suffering with him
soo the only advantage mizuki has on her is his CC in S2? Very consistent bind for 21 secs and only 15 sp as a downtime, I guess that's evolution. The difference isn't drastic enough to make me want to pull her tho. There were some higher impacts like Typhon x Rosa or Ch'en x Irene x Degenbrencher, if I do get Ascalon eventually I'll build her, but spending pulls on her isn't my will
While I understand this is just a silly video to compare their numbers, I'm disappointed at how misleading it is. This is like showcasing Ifrit vs Typhon against a singular boss target - of course Ifrit would lose, because it's not her job. Similarly, it literally reads in Mizuki's skills that he's supposed to be attacking smaller amounts of stronger enemies instead of swarms. Mizuki has self-healing for solo lane-holding or helidropping with a boss-killer, pairs better with Quibai and can stunlock a small group of enemies almost indefinitely. He also has far better synergies in IS, module farming and other special modes. And since the stalling niche is done better by characters like Virtuosa or Shu anyways, he *is* the better choice - he's just not good at killing swarms, which simply isn't his job.
thanks for explaining why you are biased to mizuki even when it's blatant ascalon is better. it is not a typhon vs ifrit comparison because they are literally the same archetype. so youre argument it's not mizukis job is invalid sure mizukis skill is for small tough enemies BUT ascalon can perform even better with lots of CC and more damage with arts. read her kit, youd be surprised how stupidly broken she is ascalon has self healing too. it's so weird to me that you argue mizuki is better paired with specific ops when the point of comparing is their strengths alone. you're clearly saying that mizuki is better with supports, if that is the case then asca is so much better and greatet with supports such as quibai like you mentioned and it shows that you DO NOT regularly play IS in ascension/dive 15 which is the max difficulty. play it regularly and tell me then if mizuki SHOULD replace ascalon specially in IS4 d15 (if not then play with your mizuki on d0) now you compare asca again to different ops such as arturia and shu which is not the case of the video. BUT here's the thing, asca can stall better than them combined. s2 35 second uptime with 60% slow with talent that becomes 85% with 20 second downtime. while shu has 45 second downtime. idk if you just want to be biased against her or just stupid
Why she is not executor beyond me, ambushers very niche, and line holder always better. Ethan still the king of is with perma bind. You don't need cc in 99% of content and when you need (dos) suzuran and saria just supreme for that. Like crashers, you can use them... but why?
There is no way Ascalon could have stood up to the level of Texas alter or Yato alter. If you watch max risk clears they definitely need more CC than just Suzuran and Saria. Personally I am very pleased with how Ascalon turned out.
another powercreep, yup. tho the first time when I ain't complaining about it and instead complain that Ascalon should've been stronger to match her lore
Not really, Ascalon is strong against crowds (which would be expected for this type of class) while Mizuki is better going against a single-target enemy, usually one with a high DEF. This would be something Ascalon is not able to do, due to focusing more on crowd damage, and her S1 doing two separate hits means DEF would affect it more.
@@Zack_Zander wow The sub class was created to attack many enemies at once and the focus on CC turns out to be great for only attacking 1 enemy and the CC isn't even as good as the other rarities? (looks at Ethan) and even the damage that is said to be better is not even good, in fact it has never been used on hard content
@@nuginurohman7613 It's more that those people just don't want to bother knowing how and where to use Mizuki in harder content compare to other easier-to-learn operators. Plus, he still does a lot of damage, just that the additional 450% Arts damage on top of his S1 only targets the enemy with the lowest HP. (540% Arts damage to 2 enemies with lowest HP with module)
@@Zack_Zander what mizuki damage do if the enemy already out of range? you watch the video right? mizuki damage do nothing if the enemy run out of range many scenario enemy just leak,what damage? enemy must really slow or just stupidly stand up and do nothing? for mizuki damage?
@@nuginurohman7613 From what I can tell, you’re obviously one of those people. This video only uses stages with a swarm of enemies, with low to average defense, which would be overkill for Mizuki’s talent. Compare to Ascalon, who doesn’t have any restriction with her damage being more spread out.
@@Zack_Zander For which you would just bring Ebenholz, who can one-shot said high-DEF enemy. Also, Ambushers are in FRONT of the other operators. If they need other operators to kill the trash so that they can focus on their lone target, then you're literally wasting the slot. Just bring Młynar, Chongyue, Nearl the Radiant Knight, Hoederer or Surtr if you want to deal with only one, exceptionally tough enemy (and they'll deal with most/all of the rest too, while at it). Or if you want to bring down a high-defense target...there's a bunch of casters for that, from Eyia, through the aforementioned Ebenholz, Goldenglow etc.
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Ascalon's talent/skills are designed to be much better blatantly
This is the inevitable difference between the old and new
솔직히 좀 노골적으로 아스카론의 재능/스킬셋 등이 훨씬 좋게 설계되어있습니다
어쩔 수 없는 구오퍼와 신오퍼의 차이
And people kept debating with me that it's "new toy syndrome." Holy shit the difference is night and day
Until now, there were many cases where Mizuki and Manticore were used together
From now on, Ascalon and Mizuki will probably be used together, so Mizuki fans can still rest assured.
Then what about Manticore....? 😢
that's the same as saying that it's impossible for mizuki to be much better than ascalon unless the developers themselves intervene 😂
@@camanbert Most of 5 stars’ future is bleak…
@@riojaneiro4130 tbh, that’s right
@@だざくら Yeah you're right..
My girl🥺
I agree Mizuki s2s3 sucks. but not s1
ascalon can create her own environment to do much dmg as she can
Mizuki is designed to do damage when the enemy is blocked by other op
Mizuki dph s1 is obviously > Ascalon dph s1
If you compare levels with saria or shu support both side
Mizuki has an obvious advantage
Mizuki’s S1 is better against single (or two if with module) targets, which doesn’t occur too often, especially when the talent only triggers on the lowest HP enemy, which is probably a non-important target.
Meanwhile, a problem that Ascalon has for her S1 is that it hits twice, resulting in the enemy’s DEF affecting it more compared to Mizuki's heavy single strike.
In that case… why not bring both? They perfectly covered each other weaknesses.
@Zack_Zander just like my another comment
manticore + Mizuki is a pretty decent squad. For now, ascalon has a better cc than ascalon and does a pretty decent damage
they will work perfectly together
Alternatively for stalkers, what Mizuki needs is an extension skill, or a top up skill duration that is not yet available in any character, since his kit is on numbers of enemies, a battlefield that is full of enemies like the ones demonstrated should give Mizuki and especially him but not for Ethan, Kirara or Manticore - a skill duration extension+ other effects, like after 3 kills, + 2 seconds / after 5 kills + 5 seconds and slow/ after 10 kills + slow and bind chance 25% etc
The more effects the better.
As is the only way for Mizuki to compete with Ascalon is to have AAk buff him, and Angelina on standby buff as well.
@@polkalamypekopeko2969
I also feel like it would’ve helped if his talent either targets the enemy with the highest DP or HP instead of the lowest HP.
Well the greatest difference they have is that Mizuki is a instant DPS/nuke type while Ascalon is a crowd control and Damage over time. Being able to slow down the enemies makes a lot of difference on how many DPS the operator can inflict, and remember Ascalon is a DOT type and can slow so she is obviously always fighting on her own ground.
But as what Sciel says it's a new vs. old so we can already guess that Ascalon is going to be better than Mizuki
Obviously Manticore is the best.
Both for Land and Sea coverage.
Both for my heart and soul
this video kinda misleading since all the scenarios are just land-holding and it’s never been mizuki’s role. if you watch Arknights What If Project’s video you can clearly see against high def enemies, mizuki can do much better compare to ascalon. at the end of the day, no one’s gonna just bring 1 operator to solo the whole map, so as long as mizuki can kill enemies with the help of defenders, he’s gonna be fine
"No one will bring 1 operator to solo the whole map"
Kid named Ling:
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A summoner is a special case
@@Zack_Zander A summoner is an operator
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Never said that they’re not, just that they are a special case. Especially Ling.
@@Zack_Zander I am right tho
This is why Izumik killed her on that solo run
Lmao
lol
Ascalon looks to be more versatile and usable in more places, but Mizuki still has good damage. I think they're pretty balanced.
Mizuki has more than good damage, the only issue is that it is better on a single target without any distraction due to how his talent only targets the lowest HP.
In that case, Mizuki and Ascalon literally covered each other weaknesses.
Mizuki’s S1 is good against a +DEF single target but bad against a swarm of enemies.
Ascalon’s S1 is bad against a +DEF single target but good against a swarm of enemies.
@@Zack_Zander Honestly, agreed. Which is why I'm going to be pulling Ascalon and using both of them together.
@@IamHero_1337
Yeah, although from how I see it, a better placement would be having Ascalon a little further in front of Mizuki so she can take out as many low HP/DEF enemies so that anything that leaks by should be tanky enough for Mizuki to take care of.
Tossing in Manticore and/or Ethan between the two will add more leeway for the two to do more damage…
@@Zack_Zandersure, but at that point just replace Ascalon with S3 Quibai.
If you want to be optimal, of course. Fun-wise Mizuki + Ascalon is definitely the winner, and I'm personally running all three in IS myself.
맨 처음 캐릭 설명 읽었을 땐 미즈키는 딜에, 아스카론은 cc에 중점을 뒀구나 했었는데 풀육성 해둔거 비교해보니 딜도 마찬가지로 아스카론이 비교우위에 있는 거 같네
좀 당황스럽긴 하다
딜이 미즈키보다 못하더라도 이미 압도적 cc기 덕에 가치가 충분한 대원일텐데
슬로우가 정신나가서 타일당데미지가 말이안됨
옛날엔 저지하고 매복자를 쓰는걸 전제로 하고 설계했는데 이젠 유틸에 따른 비저지형 딜링의 가치가 높아져서 아스카론이 다른 동류오퍼비교 보다 더 좋아보이는듯
3:16 ascalon be like...i wont let you dirty hand touch the orca🗿
The side effect after his skill got stolen by chalter.
I'll never forget that
A Reminder for those that actually pretend to play with Mizuki or think that he should be replaced by Ascalon: You're definitely not using Mizuki for the same things as Ascalon. If you want the same level of Slowing down the Enemy approach, bring Ethan.
Mizuki is like an Advanced Kirara, which means: A ground AoE Caster. His Skill 1 does big dmg without you have to give much of a notice. His Skill 2 is less like an actual crowd-control skill, but his Skill to focus his damage on one specific wave, while at the same time slowing them down a bit so with the help of others operators, the enemies are sure to perish. His S3, or you use his Y-Module built, bring a medic to him or is when there's really too many enemies to deal with, this will be your button to just screw it and defeat every small to average mob. Per example: 11-6
Ethan is actually better than Ascalon at stalling, lmao.
Mizuki needs a delta module lmao
I felt sad at first when I watched this and how Ascalon is much better in many cases and the discussion really lean toward Ascalon being the star with Mizuki probably taking a backseat to support her.
But coming back, one thing that I do believe that Mizuki still has over Ascalon is that he scales much better with offensive buffs than Ascalon especially when Attack speed is involved.
Whenever I use Mizuki now, it's always to do Mizuki S2 + Aak S3 because of how strong and spammable it is, combining every possible modifier from both side into one. It's a 20 sec zone of death on a 28 sec cd with Aak's mod, feeling like the Aak-Lin combo but on the ground tile instead. Ascalon skills rotation doesn't work as well with Aak buffs and even if she can hit really fast, she isn't triggering 60% extra Art damage per hit like Mizuki does.
And with Ela coming up in Global, I will be able to do Ela, Aak and Mizuki to trigger the 3x class ASPD bonus on Shu. The Fragile on Ela's mine just reward having a bursty playstyle even more.
Kinda fitting how in the story, Ascalon really does shine best when you make her go do solo stuff in the middle of the enemy side because if she's with the other op in a big confrontation, she start losing.
I wish I could say Mizuki still has a nice single target damage, but Ascalon slows enemies and they take damage over time, how is Mizuki gonna be better than her in any situation?
Even if a new delta module arrives, won't she eventually get one too? Won't she grow even stronger herself when her time comes?
Not always, there are operators that don't get a Delta module. Also, there are also some who don't receive a second module either (even if both modules don't help them as much, such as Phantom’s two modules vs Texa-Alter and Yato-Alter single module)
ah right, the chain mechanic works best with an ambusher. Ethan time
Why are several of these tests manipulated to make Mizuki look worse than he actually is? You fit Manticore into several of the runs so ascalon can cram her damage stacks in where she normally wouldnt be able to, had mizuki s2 go against massive waves when his bind is supposed to be against small numbers at a time. And you intentionally faced his s3 backwards so he had 1 tile LESS to hit enemies when he should have 1 MORE than Ascalon
womp womp
oh I thought I was the only one thinking the S3 wasn't used properly lol yeah he got done dirty there
Yeah the S3 placement is horrible, I couldn't figure out what was the purpose there lmao but to say it's intentional mmh
이속감소 진짜 좋아보여...
I'll never forgive hg for giving chalter mizuki's kit(I still haven't fact checked this it's been years)
Ascalon's atk speed is somthing else, her entire kit makes her superior to all the other stalkers as they all have slow attack speed.
So if a module exists, the one for her should be about her atk numbers or slow duration.
And for Mizuki it should be for his atk speed.
Issokay Mizuki I still love u best boi 🥺
mizuki already win because he had a l2d skin.
Mizuki has more burst damage, Ascalon has better sustained damage + crowd control, which means she can keep enemies inside her attack range for longer and consequently kill them by herself.
Mizuki tends to work as Finisher that's why I place him near some damage dealer,and probably a good thing to place both of em back to back coz of Mizuki's Finisher trait
Ascalons dps is just better... Mizuki has bigger number but the DoT is actually strong... 3:25
Ascalon: Thanks HG for stealing their abilities for me.
what being designed by (likely) the person who designed chalter does to a mf:
Love these two women, I'm ready to pull them later.
I see what you did there
Both have their armpit game too
bro mizuki is a boy🤣
NGL I expected more when they say Asca's gonna powercreep Mizuki. Not that I'm gonna pull, I mainly use Ambushers for RA, and Ethan + Mizuki CC already good enough for that.
Asca good like ExeAlter good. Nothing overwhelming which is great imo.
you need 2 operators for CC and damage in RA when Ascalon can solo with much better results.
i dont know if you are blind or iust refuse to accept she is the best ambusher
i played RA2 again and my play through is so much better because of her
35 sec with +110% attack with passive arts damage and slow that stacks thrice with a 20 sp downtime us not impressive to you, then idk what mizuki is then
Here i am, really want ascalon but accidentally spooked mizuki twice. Well, jellyfish with soft armpit still a win
Gotta love cc ability
Looks like Izumik killed Ishar-mla by letting the enemy pass😂
if Mizuki was girl I may not chase Ascalon, but the control is satisfying
why not bring both
크아아악 해묘!!! 나 해사의 왕 미즈키라고!!!!!
강한건 몰라도 사랑스러운건 미즈키임
Mizuki's job is to kill low health enemies with her high DPH skills and talent, they never designed him to become a lane holder....
Mizukis damage is alot higher and his usability in IS is much better too
Ascalon is more balanced with CC andndamage while mizuki just kills
Except, Ascalon CC effectively makes her better at killing than Mizuki. Big damage barely matters if the enemy is already outside of his range before he could kill them.
The video literally shows it.
what mizuki damage do if the enemy already out of range?
@@iintendtoboilyourteeth6573 This video doesnt outright show everything? Like did i need to say this?
Mizuki is one of the best operators in IS wich is arguably where his main use comes from anyway. Also making a solo showcase completely undermines Mizuki, he isnt supposed to be alone on a lane as Ambushers have slow attack speeds, they are a external aoe dps tool that breaks the pressure on the wave while dealing good damage to everyone there, only other units thats capable of these are Chalter and executor alter then that cant do it passively.
The fact that i got two replies saying this is just embarrassing. Its like saying Surtr leaks enemies when she dies lmao
@@kyarumomochi5146 And yet...she does what Mizuki does not...holding the lanes that she's not supposed to be able to do...Your point being?! That Mizuki is weaker, yes. That's the point of this video. Mizuki didn't become weaker, but Ascalon is a better option for at least majority of the content. It's as simple as that.
You're just coping lmao
between "mission failed" & "mission accomplished"? lol
i can see how they treat females here lmao~ that attack speed on ascalon the damage beach of course they going to side out mizuki~ even i got ascalonn she will stay forever lvl 1 and the DURATION almost all males has the fastest way of running out duration.
man im astonished how people can be stupid when they are biased. if you dont agree Asca is better than Mizuki (which the video clearly showcased) then enjoy suffering with him
I love MIZUKI😭
soo the only advantage mizuki has on her is his CC in S2? Very consistent bind for 21 secs and only 15 sp as a downtime, I guess that's evolution.
The difference isn't drastic enough to make me want to pull her tho. There were some higher impacts like Typhon x Rosa or Ch'en x Irene x Degenbrencher, if I do get Ascalon eventually I'll build her, but spending pulls on her isn't my will
Ascalon is good but I will wait for Mizuki alter :)
사실 애초에 미즈키는 매복자 중에서도 별로 메리트가 없었어서
모듈 때문에 딜이라도 쎄진 거지...
lol the powercreep
Use both
While I understand this is just a silly video to compare their numbers, I'm disappointed at how misleading it is.
This is like showcasing Ifrit vs Typhon against a singular boss target - of course Ifrit would lose, because it's not her job.
Similarly, it literally reads in Mizuki's skills that he's supposed to be attacking smaller amounts of stronger enemies instead of swarms.
Mizuki has self-healing for solo lane-holding or helidropping with a boss-killer, pairs better with Quibai and can stunlock a small group of enemies almost indefinitely. He also has far better synergies in IS, module farming and other special modes.
And since the stalling niche is done better by characters like Virtuosa or Shu anyways, he *is* the better choice - he's just not good at killing swarms, which simply isn't his job.
thanks for explaining why you are biased to mizuki even when it's blatant ascalon is better.
it is not a typhon vs ifrit comparison because they are literally the same archetype. so youre argument it's not mizukis job is invalid
sure mizukis skill is for small tough enemies BUT ascalon can perform even better with lots of CC and more damage with arts. read her kit, youd be surprised how stupidly broken she is
ascalon has self healing too. it's so weird to me that you argue mizuki is better paired with specific ops when the point of comparing is their strengths alone. you're clearly saying that mizuki is better with supports, if that is the case then asca is so much better and greatet with supports such as quibai like you mentioned
and it shows that you DO NOT regularly play IS in ascension/dive 15 which is the max difficulty. play it regularly and tell me then if mizuki SHOULD replace ascalon specially in IS4 d15 (if not then play with your mizuki on d0)
now you compare asca again to different ops such as arturia and shu which is not the case of the video. BUT here's the thing, asca can stall better than them combined. s2 35 second uptime with 60% slow with talent that becomes 85% with 20 second downtime. while shu has 45 second downtime.
idk if you just want to be biased against her or just stupid
you even mentioned helidrop when ascalon can do better. 5 second SP to charge her s2
just use both
Both Specialists aoe OP damage
Mizuki's funny talent.
매복자중엔 뭐... 뽑고가야죠
bro the twink got power creept
Why she is not executor beyond me, ambushers very niche, and line holder always better. Ethan still the king of is with perma bind. You don't need cc in 99% of content and when you need (dos) suzuran and saria just supreme for that. Like crashers, you can use them... but why?
With Texas and Yato-Alter, I feel like another Executor is too soon.
We just had back to back OP executor that makes most stages ridiculously easy. I really don't think we need another one this soon.
There is no way Ascalon could have stood up to the level of Texas alter or Yato alter. If you watch max risk clears they definitely need more CC than just Suzuran and Saria. Personally I am very pleased with how Ascalon turned out.
she really made mizuki fans mald
i wonder how these people reacted when everyone was saying he was one of the worst 6* when he released with Chalter
팬텀 특사스, 은재 무에나, 로즈몬티스 위샤델, 미즈키 아스카론, 애쉬 엘라, 아이린 데겐, 헬라그 좌락. 그저 구캐릭 고로시 이격 기원 게임
2人の強さは同じシチュエーションで比べられるタイプのものではないはず
I'll choose Ethan
델타모듈같은게 나오는게 아니라면 미즈키는 큰 의미가 없어보이네
원소피해가 답이다
@@성모-h1g 해사이니 침식피해 새로 달아주면 좋을듯
오 좋은데
@@잔시 컨셉도 잘 맞아서 진짜 괜찮을지도?
@@성모-h1g그럴싸한듯....?
I'm more surprised that someone still makes such obvious comparisons like this
good thing i built ascalon 😂
Nice more choices for my only waifu squad
미즈키야 록라에선 행복하렴..
성능은 밀려도 쇼타는 못 참지
mizuki❤
미즈키 이제 막 모듈작 했는데 내 모듈 겁나 아깝고 ㅠ
another powercreep, yup. tho the first time when I ain't complaining about it and instead complain that Ascalon should've been stronger to match her lore
Not really, Ascalon is strong against crowds (which would be expected for this type of class) while Mizuki is better going against a single-target enemy, usually one with a high DEF.
This would be something Ascalon is not able to do, due to focusing more on crowd damage, and her S1 doing two separate hits means DEF would affect it more.
@@Zack_Zander wow The sub class was created to attack many enemies at once and the focus on CC turns out to be great for only attacking 1 enemy and the CC isn't even as good as the other rarities? (looks at Ethan)
and even the damage that is said to be better is not even good, in fact it has never been used on hard content
@@nuginurohman7613
It's more that those people just don't want to bother knowing how and where to use Mizuki in harder content compare to other easier-to-learn operators.
Plus, he still does a lot of damage, just that the additional 450% Arts damage on top of his S1 only targets the enemy with the lowest HP. (540% Arts damage to 2 enemies with lowest HP with module)
@@Zack_Zander what mizuki damage do if the enemy already out of range? you watch the video right? mizuki damage do nothing if the enemy run out of range
many scenario enemy just leak,what damage? enemy must really slow or just stupidly stand up and do nothing? for mizuki damage?
@@nuginurohman7613
From what I can tell, you’re obviously one of those people.
This video only uses stages with a swarm of enemies, with low to average defense, which would be overkill for Mizuki’s talent. Compare to Ascalon, who doesn’t have any restriction with her damage being more spread out.
just take both
명방도 인플레는 오네 어쩔수없다
몸비틀면 구오퍼로 다 깰수있는게 중요한듯
Is it mizukover😢
ascalon is better tho
programmed operator obsolescence 🤷
중요한거 : 미즈키는 정실이다
P o w e r c r e e p
Izumik-chan is worse than Asscolon in almost every way
Except for going against a single target enemy, especially one with high DEF.
@@Zack_Zander For which you would just bring Ebenholz, who can one-shot said high-DEF enemy.
Also, Ambushers are in FRONT of the other operators. If they need other operators to kill the trash so that they can focus on their lone target, then you're literally wasting the slot. Just bring Młynar, Chongyue, Nearl the Radiant Knight, Hoederer or Surtr if you want to deal with only one, exceptionally tough enemy (and they'll deal with most/all of the rest too, while at it). Or if you want to bring down a high-defense target...there's a bunch of casters for that, from Eyia, through the aforementioned Ebenholz, Goldenglow etc.
Ascalon easy win, even against high def target ascalon slay, the cc is more than enough to beat mizuki
Damn mizuki is totally trash compare to ascalon. The dot and slow is very usefull
미즈키 3스
Ascalon is alot cooler
I knew that Mizuki was a complete trash, but I couldn't even imagine that much. Obviously Manticore is the best ambusher
The takeaway:
Ascalon: Mission Accomplished
Mizuki: Mission Failed