Everything the Mariner does is with purpose and geared toward survival. I love his way of life and how he pilots the Trimaran. I could watch a 1000 hour film about him diving, scavenging, and maintaining his Trimaran and, if need be, killing others who cause problems for him.
Aww yes, a lot of people have told me that they have memories of watching Waterworld on cable television, which usually played the extended cut of the film as I understand! Glad you found channel Tu Dam!
The Mariner was such a enigmatic character. He isolates himself from society by sailing alone aimlessly across Waterworld as humans are prejudice against mutants. No wonder the people in The Atoll all freaked out and tried to kill when they discovered he was mutant and decided to execute him.
@@TheAtoll In the director's cut, the Mariner decides not to stay on Dryland and he believes there could be other mutants out there and he has to find them.
@@TheAtoll wasn't he told that if he found "others like us" (I assumed referring to people/survivers who would be as accepting) to "bring them here" (to the island) mutant or not. Clearly they don't leave the movie with a proper population base to start a new civilization.
Hi, The Atol. Sorry I'm 3 years late to the party, just discovered your videos. As a fan of post apocalypse fiction. Waterworld is one of my favourite childhood films, I recently learned from your videos that there's more lore than the theatrical cut (which I owned on video as a kid) presents. I'm even trying to plan out a waterworld cosplay with may take me a while as I'm using actual fishing for the mariners pants and hooded shirt and vest and trying to find the right wetsuit vest he wears in the final act of the film.
I will never forget seeing Waterworld in the theater in 1995. My uncle took me to see it and loved absolutely everything about it. This is one of my favorite movies of all time.
I literally just finished this movie for the first time and I thought what an amazing world this is! I hope there's lore out there! Lo and behold, an entire YT channel dedicated to it. Thank you kind sir!
Hi The Atoll! I just discovered your videos and I am just astonished! I follow you from Italy and I couldn't believe to have found someone who talks about this wonderful and underestimated film, but more importantly about all these extra informations! It's so sad that this wonderful Syfy universe was "sunk" by critics before it could show how much it had to offer. Thanks for your narration! Good luck!
Hey BlueDD! So glad you found the channel! Thank you for the kind words. I have tons of videos planned and can't wait to share more of this unique universe with you!
So the mariner and Enola are both atoll outcasts, one built for the new world and one for the old land. Cool contrast, and yet they form a bond and learn from each other.
@@TheAtoll I think that line marks a point where he realizes that that he has changed from someone who simply focused on lone survival to having some higher purpose. He actually has something he's willing to die for, and maybe he found love for his adopted family. John 15-13. Also when he turns down Helens offer if herself his explanation is something like "because you didn't want me, not really" I think that shows a longing for acceptance as well as empathy and morality that would be out of place in such a world. That event ties into the contrast of the desperate lust of the drifter that desires Enola and on the atoll they offer a woman to the mariner so that he may give them a replacement for the recently dead being recycled. This shows they are looking to preserve genetic diversity without which they say "the results of too much of that is undesirable" but the mariner turns the offer down "no one stays out that long and refuses a woman" one says suspiciously leading them to think he is a smoker spy, probably satusfied with the women of his own tribe. So when he said "she's my friend" it really means a lot. He has found a cause he is content dyeing for and that's worth living for more than survival itself. Yeah I know I overthink things but I think that that has influenced my thinking on real life events for me.
@@TheAtoll you know Enola is so innocent, although she is an outcast. I wonder if the mariner started out that way. Maybe he wants to protect her because she reminds him of his past? Is it the golden rule shining through? In a past tense sort of way?
Thank you for these videos! I'm really enjoying the content. Looking forward to the eventual deep look into the Atol itself, Iv'e always been fascinated by the scope of that set. Iv'e even attempted to build the Atoll in minecraft a few times. I'm not sure if this was intentional but the simple yet elegant redering of the TV undewater has a mid 90's vibe about it, very fitting! Keep up the wonderful work!
Hey Sam! Yes, I am looking forward to the Atoll deep dive as well! It's definitely a goal for 2020. Thanks for your complement on the TV! I hastily created it for the very first video to avoid copywrite infringement, and always meant to go back and create a better version. But, now it's part of the channel, and it's really grown on me!
I really liked water world. I didn't even know it had anything outside of the theatrical cut of the movie until I found this channel. Water world is the kind of thing I wish they made into a franchise so we could see more movies made of it. It feels chock full of potential, like anything could be in the ocean or off the horizon
I know! I always felt like the film only gave us a small glimpse into a larger universe. I hope Universal Pictures sees the value of the IP and makes a follow up someday!
Ok. You got me. After watching almost all of these videos I finally subscribed. This is one of those movies that always lived in my head and I'm glad to know more about this watery world.
Saw your comment on Theme Park History. I had no idea there were other major fans. Keep plugging along. Think about leveraging the super successful stunt show (I guess your going to visit soon)
i always felt the time range of the movie was off. Oil, fuel food cigerattes would not have last hundreds of years after the deluge, certainly not long enough for mutations to occur,
Wow. Looks like I found my atoll. Dry land is not a myth. Huge fan since 95 of Waterworld. Seen the stunt show at Universal so many times. First took myself to the my local cinema in summer of 1995. What I was about to witness I had no idea what I was in for. When I rode mu bike home from the theater as I was pedaling I couldn’t help pretend I was the mariner gearing my trimaran. Sounds silly telling anyone now. But eh. One of my favorite movies ever.
@theatoll thanks man!!! Just discovered your channel and so glad I did. New subscriber (obviously). I have to tell you that you do such a wonderful job on your videos. The calming voice over and the amazing research, editing, music and just the love you put into these. I’m glad to have found the Atoll! Rock on my brother.
Dear fellow Atoller, thanks for all your incredibly interesting videos on our shared favorite movie! I've been researching this movie for ages and I've been a fan since I was little when I first saw. But there's one thing I can't find out anywhere: how were the gills done? do you know? was it CGI oder a puppet head, or "false" ears? let me know and keep up your videos. all the best, cédric
Hello Cedric! Thank you for this great comment, I love getting questions like this! To help answer your question, I believe that the gills are special effects makeup applied to the back of Kevin Costner's ears. Here is a quote from The Making of Waterworld book: "The filmmakers called on veteran special makeup effects artist Tom Burman who - along with his wife and longtime partner Bari Burman - was responsible for developing the various appliances used throughout the film. They began by developing the gills that would define the Mariner as the mutant creature so abhorred by the Atollers. Costner’s feet were similarly created, with Burman sculpting and casting webbed appliances that fit the actor precisely. Perez made soft acrylic spreaders that were placed between Costner’s toes to hold them gently apart, and a thin membrane of latex skin was applied from the top of his feet to the tips of his toes. The webbed feet required approximately forty minutes, per foot, to apply, and offered the realistic appearance Kevin Reynolds was looking for. The gills required a similar application time for each ear, while Costner’s straight makeup, applied daily by Perez, consumed a mere twenty minutes." So this gives some explanation, but how do they get the gill to move when he is breathing underwater for him and Helen, after the smokers kidnap Enola?? Well I might just have to create a video sometime in the future on all the visual effects makeup in Waterworld! Then I finally have an excuse to show the Deacon's nasty empty eye socket in a video!
Hey Cedric, I just wanted to follow up here with something I just discovered. Recently I acquired the VFX overviews written by the people that worked on the film, and it appears that McAlifx (a vfx company in LA) did do some digital touch up work on the gills because they looked to much like a woman's vagina! Wow!
The Atoll hey man wow thanks for the info! That‘s really interesting...I wonder in which shots they did that. I bet in the diving sequences maybe? By the way did you hear about the digital hairline story of Kevin Costner? Some people said they could see Costner‘s hairline change. I honestly never saw that...
@@shortfilms5667 Aw yes, I have seen this rumor, and to tell the truth, I was hoping they production notes I acquired would have some information about that. But I will do some digging and see what I can find! I feel like this could be a great video if we find hard evidence!
@@TheAtoll Stargate! Specifically Stargate SG-1. Its the first enemy of the show, a parasitic snake that has genetic memory. Great shows(3 total), hundreds of hours of content
I was always Curious if The Mariner was the Only one of his Kind. I guess there might be others like Himself. They'd have such a massive advantage over the Humans They probably kill the ones they find because if there were too many of them they couldn't possibly win a war against them. on the Other side of the Coin though Regular Humans could Learn so much from Mutos who could actually explore the Oceans. I never Imagined that they might have been Created by Humans in a Lab. that's really interesting.
Yeah totally, that is what is strongly implied by the Waterworld comics! It would have been nice to see more comics to flesh this out even more. Thanks for checking out the video!
@@TheAtoll No problems. I haven't read the comics but by just watching Waterworld a few times it's quite obvious the Mariner is a genetically enhance human. Scientists and governments are desperate. They know due to global warming or something else the ice caps are going to melt. Humanity must survive in one form or another...even as part fish
Or alternatively to the genetic memory theory. What if the Mariner is immortal? Or atleast far slower aging than normal humans? We're making assumptions that the Mariner's story about his parents was literal, where as he could have easily been adapting it to fit with the knowledge of that era. His father forcing him to dive for fish on a lead line. Could have been the research and tests done in the lab we see in the dream. His "mother" who was kind, could have been the other scientist we see in that frame. We cant really see their faces after all. Him killing his father and stealing his boat, could also be metaphor for killing him and escaping a research facility. He has become the thing his father sought to create, an adapted human strain capable of surviving on water world. But for himself. Not part of his father's plan. Many marine animals, especially marine mammals live far longer than land mammals outside captivity. This also goes to explain sime of the sea monsters. I mean within a mere 500 years? But if those mutations were intentional. It tracks that they could have further devolved generationally over time in the wild. But not the mariner, if he is infact the same person from the dream. And that dream was infact a memory.
Hey Dana! I'm so glad you asked! I definitely plan on doing an entire video on Enola and the mysteries of her tattoo. The lore is very deep on this one! Keep tuned!
Hey Dana! I hope soon! Please understand that The Atoll is a side project, and I have a full time job and life outside of this channel. But I most certainly hope to do a Enola deep dive in the next three videos or so! It's a topic I have been waiting a long time to talk about!
@@TheAtoll I almost forgot, do you have a video on Helen? I haven't dug deep in your channel yet, and I have seen the WaterWorld show on youtube and she appears to be an essential character to the story.
I definitely point out Helen in many or all the videos, especially the in the history live action show. But I have not done a video exclusively on her, but will make one in due time! This channel is still young, and there is so much to still get to!
@@TheAtoll in the original cut resin is only referred to briefly at the store and with the drifter. We know that he wants it to patch that hole since he's taking on water but in the Ulysses cut we see him working on it more and it's more apparent that he needs it to fix that hole. I never really understood what resin was or why he needed it when I was a kid. I'm wondering now how they harvested it though.
Yeah, that's a good point. I am not sure how resin is produced in Waterworld. What does the drifter say at the beginning of the film? Something like "the slavers are producing a good grade of epoxy these days. Cost you a hand full of dirt, or maybe that wind chime." I believe that this line is why the Mariner choses to go to the slave colony (or barter outpost depending on which version of the film your watching) at the end of the second act of the film.
@@TheAtoll I really liked that the extended version told us how the Atoll was barely hanging in there with broken desalination devices and very limited supplies. Practically nothing to offer to drifters.
I think it could have been! The Syfy channel was going to create a Waterworld series back in 2012, but the idea disappeared. I have a video about it on this channel. But I think a TV series is definitely achievable today with much cheap visual effects. I think a prequel would be interesting, explaining the flooding of the earth and the rise of the mutants.
Yes, I believe that is what's being applied! I will be doing a deep dive video on Enola, her Tattoo, and her birth village on Dryland in the near future, so be on the look out for that!
Wait, so you're explaining his story based on the book, which was itself based on the film? Its like believing the lore of a Rapture book that was written after Bioshock game came out and was based on the games script. Am I missing something here.
Oh man, I think you might be taking this a little more serious than I intended. I was just taking all the the little bits of known waterworld lore, of which there's very little of course, to create some fun fan theories.
@@TheAtoll I get it. In this case you can make up your own lore, it doesn't matter. Its like when people bugged Walking Dead team about what was the real cause of the plague and they said it was space fungus or some shit, WHO CARES. Just making it up, making mysterious face, to create interest. Whatever sells.
Hm, if he is a half mutant, that might actually mean he cannot mate with humans. I know, everyone is used to half/alien/magical beings and is less impressed with halfbreeds creating quarter beings. But this is more important. I came to this when people were talking about Dragon ball and how humans and Saiyans are obviously compatible. So are donkeys and horses. Or tiger and lions. The result also vary GREATLY depending on which species is the mother and father, in DBZ the mothers are humans. The male offspring however are always infertile, while ligresses and tigonesses and mule and hinney mares are often fertile with both parent species. Coming back to DBZ, Gohan a MALE hybrid of two MAMMAL species getting a human woman pregnant again is a sign that he is a halfbreed and not some infertile hybrid. I just realise I am comparing Son Gohan or Trunks to mules, but it is true. Think how wolves and dogs always create fertile hybrids, right, and nobody is concerned if the mother or father is a wolf. It just seems to be easier to get a male dog to hump a wolfbitch. So it could be the same with the mariner here. Maybe HE is infertile, but a potential sister wouldn't be. Maybe a child of a true male mutant would inherit different traits, possibly less. Remember how mules and hinneys much more resemble their horse or donkey mothers. With ligers and tigons I think they look more like their fathers.
That's an interesting train of thought. I don't know much about DBZ or the interbreeding of mammal species, so I will just have to take your word for it!
It just happened to be DBZ where I noticed people talking about it and it hit me about mules and ligers. They have 4 or 5 half Saiyans by two male Saiyans, but only one quarter Saiyan that they don't mention. Offspring of two species means they are compatible. Not really. Could have been Star Trek, too. Sure Spock seems fine, but if he had kids with Vulcans or humans that would actually be a proof that they match. Or else Spock would just be an infertile mule, too. And if that is the case, than the kids the female Vulcan TPol had on Enterprise with a human man would be very different to Spock, like mules and hinneys. And that man turned out to be more human while Spock was more Vulcan, but they were raised around those different people, too. Belanna on Voyager had a Klingon mother and had a daughter with a human. Worf’s mate on TNG had a Klingon father and they had a son. This could mean they are compatible, except that in both cases we have FEMALES that should be fertile even if they are two different kind of hybrids. And Worf’s mate from a Klingon father looked way more like a Klingon than Belanna, though Belanna acted way more like one, even though BOTH were raised among humans. And only one of these kids is a boy and I don’t know if he had kids in canon. But male offspring of female mules/hinneys or ligresses/tigonesses are fertile usually. But of course every writer thinks that by showing one couple having kids, he is giving us a halfbreed like a wolfdog and not a mule. But for mammals the rule is male hybrids are ALWAYS infertile. I have met people who insist all female mules are, too, but I have read differently. Of course nobody would really try because the mule IS already what they want. The theory behind this is that female mammals have two of the same chromosomes. By that logic birds and reptiles and some fish too should produce infertile females since they have ZW chromosomes and males have ZZ. But I don’t know of any hybrids, and I don’t know much about the ZW chromosomes. Wiki says SOME of these animals. I really don't remember learning about this in school. But if the Mariner has some fish DNA, maybe he is fertile? So ironically, having EITHER Spock or TPol’s and Trip’s son have any kids with Romulan/Vulcan or human women would be a greater proof that those species are compatible than TWO half Klingon women having kids are. Otherwise you would call Spock a VulMan (And Tasha's DAUGHTER with a Romulan would be the same, since Romulans and Vulcans are the same species, seperated by 2000 years) and Tpol’s son a HumCan going how in cats you use the father first. Worf’s wife would be a KlingMan and Belanna a HumGon. The first case would be like a Ligress mating with a Lion to have a Li-Liger male, or a hinney mare mating with a horse. Belanna would be like a Tigoness mating with a tiger to have a Ti-Tigon female, or a mule mare mating with a donkey. Man, I wonder if I’m the first person to think of this and what the Trekfandom would think about it. But going back to the mariner, if he was a true mutant that could then mean that his daughters might be fertile, but his sons aren’t.
wait I'm not the only one ? I can't believe other people liked this movie's world building so much too
Glad you found us Drifter! The world build in Waterworld is extremely underrated!
I bought Waterworld on DVD almost 2 months ago. It's a classic.
We are few, but but we are faithful.
It is always a joy to meet another Drifter. Welcome to The Atoll. Help yourself to a drink of Hydro.
Lol I hear you. The internet is good like that, you find your people.
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Everything the Mariner does is with purpose and geared toward survival. I love his way of life and how he pilots the Trimaran. I could watch a 1000 hour film about him diving, scavenging, and maintaining his Trimaran and, if need be, killing others who cause problems for him.
Oh yeah totally! If nothing else, Costner gives a great physical performance in this movie. You really believe he's fully in control of his Trimaran.
Agreed
Other people who love Waterworld?!? I thought I was alone for so long…
Yes indeed! There is a small but dedicated fandom for Waterworld. Welcome aboard!
Lmao!! So did I!!! 😂😂
Luvs
Holy crap I thought almost no one cared about water world I'm so happy to find fellow fans
Hey! Glad you found the channel!
Didn't know there's a whole channel dedicated to this film.
Love this movie. I watched it every times on cable channel.
Aww yes, a lot of people have told me that they have memories of watching Waterworld on cable television, which usually played the extended cut of the film as I understand! Glad you found channel Tu Dam!
The Mariner was such a enigmatic character. He isolates himself from society by sailing alone aimlessly across Waterworld as humans are prejudice against mutants. No wonder the people in The Atoll all freaked out and tried to kill when they discovered he was mutant and decided to execute him.
Do you think that it's implied in the film that the Mariner is looking for other mutants like himself?
@@TheAtoll In the director's cut, the Mariner decides not to stay on Dryland and he believes there could be other mutants out there and he has to find them.
A very good point!
@@TheAtoll wasn't he told that if he found "others like us" (I assumed referring to people/survivers who would be as accepting) to "bring them here" (to the island) mutant or not. Clearly they don't leave the movie with a proper population base to start a new civilization.
Hi,
The Atol.
Sorry I'm 3 years late to the party, just discovered your videos. As a fan of post apocalypse fiction.
Waterworld is one of my favourite childhood films, I recently learned from your videos that there's more lore than the theatrical cut (which I owned on video as a kid) presents.
I'm even trying to plan out a waterworld cosplay with may take me a while as I'm using actual fishing for the mariners pants and hooded shirt and vest and trying to find the right wetsuit vest he wears in the final act of the film.
Wow! A real fish skin costume! What's it like working with that stuff?
I will never forget seeing Waterworld in the theater in 1995. My uncle took me to see it and loved absolutely everything about it. This is one of my favorite movies of all time.
Ngl, I was in love more with Mariners boat. It was so robust and versatile. He had a device or tool installed for ever scenario.
It's a truly incredible set piece!
I literally just finished this movie for the first time and I thought what an amazing world this is! I hope there's lore out there! Lo and behold, an entire YT channel dedicated to it. Thank you kind sir!
Haha! Glad to hear you found the channel. Welcome aboard!
Hi The Atoll!
I just discovered your videos and I am just astonished! I follow you from Italy and I couldn't believe to have found someone who talks about this wonderful and underestimated film, but more importantly about all these extra informations! It's so sad that this wonderful Syfy universe was "sunk" by critics before it could show how much it had to offer. Thanks for your narration!
Good luck!
Hey BlueDD! So glad you found the channel! Thank you for the kind words. I have tons of videos planned and can't wait to share more of this unique universe with you!
So the mariner and Enola are both atoll outcasts, one built for the new world and one for the old land. Cool contrast, and yet they form a bond and learn from each other.
Yeah, totally. I always enjoyed the Mariner's line "because she's my friend", even if it is a little cheesy!
@@TheAtoll I think that line marks a point where he realizes that that he has changed from someone who simply focused on lone survival to having some higher purpose. He actually has something he's willing to die for, and maybe he found love for his adopted family. John 15-13. Also when he turns down Helens offer if herself his explanation is something like "because you didn't want me, not really" I think that shows a longing for acceptance as well as empathy and morality that would be out of place in such a world. That event ties into the contrast of the desperate lust of the drifter that desires Enola and on the atoll they offer a woman to the mariner so that he may give them a replacement for the recently dead being recycled. This shows they are looking to preserve genetic diversity without which they say "the results of too much of that is undesirable" but the mariner turns the offer down "no one stays out that long and refuses a woman" one says suspiciously leading them to think he is a smoker spy, probably satusfied with the women of his own tribe. So when he said "she's my friend" it really means a lot. He has found a cause he is content dyeing for and that's worth living for more than survival itself. Yeah I know I overthink things but I think that that has influenced my thinking on real life events for me.
@@TheAtoll you know Enola is so innocent, although she is an outcast. I wonder if the mariner started out that way. Maybe he wants to protect her because she reminds him of his past? Is it the golden rule shining through? In a past tense sort of way?
Thank you for these videos! I'm really enjoying the content. Looking forward to the eventual deep look into the Atol itself, Iv'e always been fascinated by the scope of that set. Iv'e even attempted to build the Atoll in minecraft a few times.
I'm not sure if this was intentional but the simple yet elegant redering of the TV undewater has a mid 90's vibe about it, very fitting! Keep up the wonderful work!
Hey Sam! Yes, I am looking forward to the Atoll deep dive as well! It's definitely a goal for 2020.
Thanks for your complement on the TV! I hastily created it for the very first video to avoid copywrite infringement, and always meant to go back and create a better version. But, now it's part of the channel, and it's really grown on me!
I really liked water world. I didn't even know it had anything outside of the theatrical cut of the movie until I found this channel. Water world is the kind of thing I wish they made into a franchise so we could see more movies made of it. It feels chock full of potential, like anything could be in the ocean or off the horizon
I know! I always felt like the film only gave us a small glimpse into a larger universe. I hope Universal Pictures sees the value of the IP and makes a follow up someday!
Ok. You got me. After watching almost all of these videos I finally subscribed. This is one of those movies that always lived in my head and I'm glad to know more about this watery world.
Welcome aboard!
Holy saint joe! I didnt know know there are more people who like world behind the movie! :)
Hello Keo! Glad you found us and welcome aboard!
Saw your comment on Theme Park History. I had no idea there were other major fans. Keep plugging along. Think about leveraging the super successful stunt show (I guess your going to visit soon)
Hey John! Glad you found the channel! I will be seeing the stunt show for the first time next week, and I can't wait! So excited!
Awesome video, it helps to uncover a lot many mysteries of this awesome Mariner :D !
Glad you you liked it! Thank you for your subscription!
This is excellent stuff. Fans of the Mutant Epoch RPG need to see this.
Thank you Watcher! I'll have to check out Mutant Epoch RPG, it looks really cool!
Man ty for this, I've been a fan I saw it in theaters in 5th grade, and collected the action figures as a young fella
Glad you found us! Welcome!
Bros father got that mute-oussy
Haha!
@@TheAtoll great waterworld fan, and also fan of your channel keep up my friend.
I bet she was only half.
Who would smashed a full fish?
i always felt the time range of the movie was off. Oil, fuel food cigerattes would not have last hundreds of years after the deluge, certainly not long enough for mutations to occur,
Yeah, Waterworld certainly has it's share of potholes! haha
I loved it brother :D
Hey, thanks again Marcelo for turning out to the premiere of this video!
Costner also played in "the Postman" its post-apocolyptic america after governments were defeated by militas. Both of these are classics.
Yep, I love The Postman too. The novel it's based on is also a great read.
Wow. Looks like I found my atoll. Dry land is not a myth. Huge fan since 95 of Waterworld. Seen the stunt show at Universal so many times. First took myself to the my local cinema in summer of 1995. What I was about to witness I had no idea what I was in for. When I rode mu bike home from the theater as I was pedaling I couldn’t help pretend I was the mariner gearing my trimaran. Sounds silly telling anyone now. But eh. One of my favorite movies ever.
Hey Casey, glad you found the channel! Haha, you are definitely not the only person that has done a little Mariner impersonating!
@theatoll thanks man!!! Just discovered your channel and so glad I did. New subscriber (obviously). I have to tell you that you do such a wonderful job on your videos. The calming voice over and the amazing research, editing, music and just the love you put into these. I’m glad to have found the Atoll! Rock on my brother.
Goddamnit..... another channel im subscribing to
Wow that’s a very awesome video, I wonder what’s next on this video on the atoll?
Thanks Julian! Keep tuned in, we have lots more videos in the works!
The Atoll oh awesome and you know I think I saw the stunt show of Waterworld the mariner riding a jet ski
Yo.... This is a channel dedicated to Waterworld? Bro.... I love you. Haha.
Indeed it is!
Very insightful, thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Dear fellow Atoller, thanks for all your incredibly interesting videos on our shared favorite movie! I've been researching this movie for ages and I've been a fan since I was little when I first saw. But there's one thing I can't find out anywhere: how were the gills done? do you know? was it CGI oder a puppet head, or "false" ears? let me know and keep up your videos. all the best, cédric
Hello Cedric! Thank you for this great comment, I love getting questions like this! To help answer your question, I believe that the gills are special effects makeup applied to the back of Kevin Costner's ears. Here is a quote from The Making of Waterworld book: "The filmmakers called on veteran special makeup effects artist Tom Burman who - along with his wife and longtime partner Bari Burman - was responsible for developing the various appliances used throughout the film. They began by developing the gills that would define the Mariner as the mutant creature so abhorred by the Atollers. Costner’s feet were similarly created, with Burman sculpting and casting webbed appliances that fit the actor precisely. Perez made soft acrylic spreaders that were placed between Costner’s toes to hold them gently apart, and a thin membrane of latex skin was applied from the top of his feet to the tips of his toes. The webbed feet required approximately forty minutes, per foot, to apply, and offered the realistic appearance Kevin Reynolds was looking for. The gills required a similar application time for each ear, while Costner’s straight makeup, applied daily by Perez, consumed a mere twenty minutes." So this gives some explanation, but how do they get the gill to move when he is breathing underwater for him and Helen, after the smokers kidnap Enola?? Well I might just have to create a video sometime in the future on all the visual effects makeup in Waterworld! Then I finally have an excuse to show the Deacon's nasty empty eye socket in a video!
Hey Cedric, I just wanted to follow up here with something I just discovered. Recently I acquired the VFX overviews written by the people that worked on the film, and it appears that McAlifx (a vfx company in LA) did do some digital touch up work on the gills because they looked to much like a woman's vagina! Wow!
The Atoll hey man wow thanks for the info! That‘s really interesting...I wonder in which shots they did that. I bet in the diving sequences maybe? By the way did you hear about the digital hairline story of Kevin Costner? Some people said they could see Costner‘s hairline change. I honestly never saw that...
@@shortfilms5667 Aw yes, I have seen this rumor, and to tell the truth, I was hoping they production notes I acquired would have some information about that. But I will do some digging and see what I can find! I feel like this could be a great video if we find hard evidence!
The Atoll love it! Thanks for doing and keep me posted drifter!
Wish there was more movies like tbh
Interesting and new movies are banned. Only progressive race and gender swap remakes are allowed
Thanks so much for this video bro 🙂
Heck yeah Bluckers! Thanks for checking out the video!
Rewatching this movie as an adult, I couldn't help but notice how much The Mariner looks and feels like Geralt of Rivia.
Oh yeah, I see that! They are definitely styling their hair in the same way!
@@TheAtoll And both are mutants as well! ;)
How in the heck does he withstand the tremendous pressure of diving into the ocean?
Haha, good question Rafael! Another one of the many potholes in Waterworld I suppose.
He's a mutant though.
Three years later and u find out im not alone in liking this movie
Haha, You're not alone fellow drifter!
Video : @5:13 "genetic memory"
My brain "tell me you're a goa'uld without telling me you're a goa'uld" lmao
Hey Kevin! I am not sure what you mean. Is a goa'uld a reference to something??
@@TheAtoll Stargate! Specifically Stargate SG-1. Its the first enemy of the show, a parasitic snake that has genetic memory. Great shows(3 total), hundreds of hours of content
I was always Curious if The Mariner was the Only one of his Kind. I guess there might be others like Himself.
They'd have such a massive advantage over the Humans They probably kill the ones they find because if there were too many of them they couldn't possibly win a war against them. on the Other side of the Coin though Regular Humans could Learn so much from Mutos who could actually explore the Oceans. I never Imagined that they might have been Created by Humans in a Lab. that's really interesting.
Yeah, this subject does give you a lot to think about. It would be definitely cool to see it explored more if ever we get more Waterworld content!
I believe the Mariner is a genetically enhance human.
Yeah totally, that is what is strongly implied by the Waterworld comics! It would have been nice to see more comics to flesh this out even more. Thanks for checking out the video!
@@TheAtoll No problems. I haven't read the comics but by just watching Waterworld a few times it's quite obvious the Mariner is a genetically enhance human. Scientists and governments are desperate. They know due to global warming or something else the ice caps are going to melt. Humanity must survive in one form or another...even as part fish
Also, Excelallrated evolution could come from radiation from weakend magnetosphere from pole flip and astriod bombardment
Oh yeah, I like this train of thought! I think your on to something with this theory!
Saw your comment under a RLM video. Based and Waterpilled.
Hey that's great! I don't know what those words mean, but I hope they are positive!
Or alternatively to the genetic memory theory.
What if the Mariner is immortal? Or atleast far slower aging than normal humans?
We're making assumptions that the Mariner's story about his parents was literal, where as he could have easily been adapting it to fit with the knowledge of that era.
His father forcing him to dive for fish on a lead line. Could have been the research and tests done in the lab we see in the dream.
His "mother" who was kind, could have been the other scientist we see in that frame. We cant really see their faces after all.
Him killing his father and stealing his boat, could also be metaphor for killing him and escaping a research facility. He has become the thing his father sought to create, an adapted human strain capable of surviving on water world.
But for himself. Not part of his father's plan.
Many marine animals, especially marine mammals live far longer than land mammals outside captivity.
This also goes to explain sime of the sea monsters. I mean within a mere 500 years?
But if those mutations were intentional. It tracks that they could have further devolved generationally over time in the wild. But not the mariner, if he is infact the same person from the dream. And that dream was infact a memory.
A very interesting reinterpretation of the materials! Very well thought out theory. I really like this.
@@TheAtoll feel free to use it if you want for content.
I know origin movies dont do well but this would be awesome
Yeah, I agree! I believe that a Waterworld prequel would be more interesting then a Waterworld sequel
I enjoyed the movie. I know it wasn't a big hit but i greatly enjoyed it i have the extended edition on blue ray
The Mariner? I just called him Mister Grumpy Fish when I saw the movie.
Haha, I think at one point the Deacon calls him the "Gentleman Guppy" in the film!
It's obvious. The Waterworld Ulysses cut is the equivalent of the Justice League Zack Snyder cut.
There are many parallels, even down to Joss Whedon's involvement!
What about a backstory on Enola? Why does a little girl have a tattoo on her back? what does the tattoo show and what do the symbols mean?
Hey Dana! I'm so glad you asked! I definitely plan on doing an entire video on Enola and the mysteries of her tattoo. The lore is very deep on this one! Keep tuned!
@@TheAtoll , when are we likely to expect the video on Enola?
Hey Dana! I hope soon! Please understand that The Atoll is a side project, and I have a full time job and life outside of this channel. But I most certainly hope to do a Enola deep dive in the next three videos or so! It's a topic I have been waiting a long time to talk about!
@@TheAtoll I almost forgot, do you have a video on Helen? I haven't dug deep in your channel yet, and I have seen the WaterWorld show on youtube and she appears to be an essential character to the story.
I definitely point out Helen in many or all the videos, especially the in the history live action show. But I have not done a video exclusively on her, but will make one in due time! This channel is still young, and there is so much to still get to!
Watching the Arrow Ulysses Cut. So much more exposition. Didn't realize they used hair for rope.
I know! There is actually so much reference to hair in film that I was thinking of doing an entire video on the subject!
@@TheAtoll in the original cut resin is only referred to briefly at the store and with the drifter. We know that he wants it to patch that hole since he's taking on water but in the Ulysses cut we see him working on it more and it's more apparent that he needs it to fix that hole. I never really understood what resin was or why he needed it when I was a kid. I'm wondering now how they harvested it though.
Yeah, that's a good point. I am not sure how resin is produced in Waterworld. What does the drifter say at the beginning of the film? Something like "the slavers are producing a good grade of epoxy these days. Cost you a hand full of dirt, or maybe that wind chime." I believe that this line is why the Mariner choses to go to the slave colony (or barter outpost depending on which version of the film your watching) at the end of the second act of the film.
@@TheAtoll I really liked that the extended version told us how the Atoll was barely hanging in there with broken desalination devices and very limited supplies. Practically nothing to offer to drifters.
Yes, the town meeting scene does a nice job of helping build out the universe
Im here for it
Thanks Nathan!
@@TheAtoll anytime im sorry it took so long to end up here
i wonder if it could have been more succesfull as a tv series
I think it could have been! The Syfy channel was going to create a Waterworld series back in 2012, but the idea disappeared. I have a video about it on this channel. But I think a TV series is definitely achievable today with much cheap visual effects. I think a prequel would be interesting, explaining the flooding of the earth and the rise of the mutants.
Like #876, and subbed
Thanks for the sub!!
At the end of the movie was the two bone bodies Enola’s parents?
Yes, I believe that is what's being applied! I will be doing a deep dive video on Enola, her Tattoo, and her birth village on Dryland in the near future, so be on the look out for that!
Wait, so you're explaining his story based on the book, which was itself based on the film? Its like believing the lore of a Rapture book that was written after Bioshock game came out and was based on the games script. Am I missing something here.
Oh man, I think you might be taking this a little more serious than I intended. I was just taking all the the little bits of known waterworld lore, of which there's very little of course, to create some fun fan theories.
@@TheAtoll I get it. In this case you can make up your own lore, it doesn't matter. Its like when people bugged Walking Dead team about what was the real cause of the plague and they said it was space fungus or some shit, WHO CARES. Just making it up, making mysterious face, to create interest. Whatever sells.
Finally............
Viewers seem to be really enjoying these videos on the lore of waterworld, so I hope to do more soon!
I had that book 😊
I love a good movie novelization!
@@TheAtoll It was great and I am a fan of the movie too.
I've found my tribe it seems, lol
Glad you found us!!!
Pre justice
Yes, sorry for the misperception. You have a keen ear.
@@TheAtoll Or a overly critical one at least. You have great content. I feel there is a good joke somewhere with the line “ No Brains Atoll”
Hm, if he is a half mutant, that might actually mean he cannot mate with humans. I know, everyone is used to half/alien/magical beings and is less impressed with halfbreeds creating quarter beings. But this is more important. I came to this when people were talking about Dragon ball and how humans and Saiyans are obviously compatible. So are donkeys and horses. Or tiger and lions. The result also vary GREATLY depending on which species is the mother and father, in DBZ the mothers are humans. The male offspring however are always infertile, while ligresses and tigonesses and mule and hinney mares are often fertile with both parent species. Coming back to DBZ, Gohan a MALE hybrid of two MAMMAL species getting a human woman pregnant again is a sign that he is a halfbreed and not some infertile hybrid. I just realise I am comparing Son Gohan or Trunks to mules, but it is true. Think how wolves and dogs always create fertile hybrids, right, and nobody is concerned if the mother or father is a wolf. It just seems to be easier to get a male dog to hump a wolfbitch.
So it could be the same with the mariner here. Maybe HE is infertile, but a potential sister wouldn't be. Maybe a child of a true male mutant would inherit different traits, possibly less. Remember how mules and hinneys much more resemble their horse or donkey mothers. With ligers and tigons I think they look more like their fathers.
That's an interesting train of thought. I don't know much about DBZ or the interbreeding of mammal species, so I will just have to take your word for it!
It just happened to be DBZ where I noticed people talking about it and it hit me about mules and ligers. They have 4 or 5 half Saiyans by two male Saiyans, but only one quarter Saiyan that they don't mention. Offspring of two species means they are compatible. Not really.
Could have been Star Trek, too. Sure Spock seems fine, but if he had kids with Vulcans or humans that would actually be a proof that they match. Or else Spock would just be an infertile mule, too. And if that is the case, than the kids the female Vulcan TPol had on Enterprise with a human man would be very different to Spock, like mules and hinneys. And that man turned out to be more human while Spock was more Vulcan, but they were raised around those different people, too.
Belanna on Voyager had a Klingon mother and had a daughter with a human. Worf’s mate on TNG had a Klingon father and they had a son. This could mean they are compatible, except that in both cases we have FEMALES that should be fertile even if they are two different kind of hybrids. And Worf’s mate from a Klingon father looked way more like a Klingon than Belanna, though Belanna acted way more like one, even though BOTH were raised among humans.
And only one of these kids is a boy and I don’t know if he had kids in canon. But male offspring of female mules/hinneys or ligresses/tigonesses are fertile usually. But of course every writer thinks that by showing one couple having kids, he is giving us a halfbreed like a wolfdog and not a mule.
But for mammals the rule is male hybrids are ALWAYS infertile. I have met people who insist all female mules are, too, but I have read differently. Of course nobody would really try because the mule IS already what they want.
The theory behind this is that female mammals have two of the same chromosomes. By that logic birds and reptiles and some fish too should produce infertile females since they have ZW chromosomes and males have ZZ. But I don’t know of any hybrids, and I don’t know much about the ZW chromosomes. Wiki says SOME of these animals. I really don't remember learning about this in school. But if the Mariner has some fish DNA, maybe he is fertile?
So ironically, having EITHER Spock or TPol’s and Trip’s son have any kids with Romulan/Vulcan or human women would be a greater proof that those species are compatible than TWO half Klingon women having kids are. Otherwise you would call Spock a VulMan (And Tasha's DAUGHTER with a Romulan would be the same, since Romulans and Vulcans are the same species, seperated by 2000 years) and Tpol’s son a HumCan going how in cats you use the father first.
Worf’s wife would be a KlingMan and Belanna a HumGon. The first case would be like a Ligress mating with a Lion to have a Li-Liger male, or a hinney mare mating with a horse. Belanna would be like a Tigoness mating with a tiger to have a Ti-Tigon female, or a mule mare mating with a donkey.
Man, I wonder if I’m the first person to think of this and what the Trekfandom would think about it.
But going back to the mariner, if he was a true mutant that could then mean that his daughters might be fertile, but his sons aren’t.
So do they live longer that other human
Um, I'm not sure??
Pre justice?
Yes, it's a mispronunciation. I meant to say "prejudice". My apologies and thank you for the correction.
@@TheAtoll i honestly thought you were being cheeky
Pre-justice?
Yes, it's a mispronunciation. I meant to say "prejudice". My apologies and thank you for the correction.
Don't worry, I can't pronounce prejudice properly either
Yeah, my voice-over skills were not the best in these early videos. I think I have improved over the years though.
He is daydreaming a story told about his ancestors from his parents eh?
Hey, quite possibly! I hadn't thought about it from that angle.
You really need to put more enthusiasm in your videos. Make them a little more exciting. Currently they make me want to fall asleep.
Thank you for your feedback David. Do have any specific tips for making my videos more exciting? Would you like included more humor or faster music?
0:38 more like try-hard-maran, amirite?
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I'll see myself out.
Haha! Na man, stick around!
@@TheAtoll just don't chuck me in the digester
Love the film, but this is totally ridiculous. It's just a film!!
No problem, it's all good