An Introduction to Presuppositional Apologetics 1 (Introduction)
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Great series! I frequently witness to Atheist using Presuppositional Apologetics - it very effectively shows them the absurdity of their world view. Some Atheist, once recognizing that I am using Presuppositional Apologetics, even refuse to discuss\debate further, obviously because they know I'm about to turn their world view into a train wreck of illogical absurdities. Presuppositional Apologetics is definitely the most powerful apologetic when witnessing to the Atheist. God Bless you for going to all the effort to post these videos.
***** Hello Jeff, sorry I missed this post, but I'm back.
Jeff, you are jumbling many things in this one post so I will do my best to answer them in order.
Miracles - miracles are a suspension of the natural order - example, snakes talk, waters in the sea part, people are healed instantly, a man rises from the dead. Is God bound by the natural order He created? No, He can easily overcome the natural order at will.
Dinosaurs - the Bible makes it clear that all animals were vegetarians before the fall of man.
Plants before Light - Go out into your backyard tonight, look at the grass and trees - what you will see are plants without light.
A rock so large... - God made suns so large that the earth would fit inside of them 1 million times. Did He have to "heft it"? No, He spoke and it came into being.
He doesn't say slavery is wrong once in the bible - He freed an entire nation from slavery - the Nation of Israel was freed from slavery in Egypt - that says slavery is wrong.
He rewards faith over deeds - Yes, if that faith is in His Son, Jesus Christ, who died for your sins and mine. All our moral deeds are like filthy rags to God because we are so infected with sin, so no, our deeds can never be worth more to God than our faith in Jesus.
You have no actual proof/physical evidence - God is not a material entity - let me see you use the empirical method to prove the existence of Logic, Reason, Morality, etc. Can you do it Jeff? And yet you unfairly demand the same from Christians, you say we must prove the immaterial God via a method that can only prove the material. Let me see you measure speed with a thermometer or distance with a wind vane.
...logical absolutes are employed WHEN these presumptions of idea's are proven. Logical absolutes weren't always existent, then humans came along and discovered them - Jeff, not to frustrate you, but that's like saying North America didn't existence until Columbus sailed from Spain. Logical Absolutes were always there Jeff, man just hasn't always studied, understood or applied them.
We applied an idea and assumed this idea much like testing in a lab to see if this idea works, if this idea produced merits and makes sense THEN it becomes an absolute law - So gravity did not exist until Newton? Come on Jeff, this very line of reasoning is illogical - man did not invent Absolute Laws of Logic anymore than he invented gravity, Absolute Laws of logic have always existed, and yet their immaterial existence cannot be proven using the empirical method.
...it's another to try and prove the velidity of a book written by man 2,000 years ago before modern science with modern ideas - The Bible contains scientific statements, but the Bible is not a book about science or modern ideas, the Bible is a book about God's relationship with His creation man. This relationship doesn't change because we now have the internet or cell phones, this relationship is independent of science, or modern ideas.
And what is your relationship to God Jeff? Do you know Him? Do you want to know Him? Have you considered the claims of Jesus Christ?
Sagak Ishmael If the laws of logic are simply the firings of neurons inside the human brain, then logic differs from person to person, and therefor it's laws are not laws at all.
The laws of logic are not physical objects existing in the as part of the sense world. They are not the result of observable behavior of material objects or physical actions. Do the laws of logic exist in the natural world so that they can be empirically examined? No. So empiricism fails to account for those very principles upon which it rests.
Furthermore, since the laws of logic are universal, invariant, abstract, and eternal truths, how do they continually apply in our changing world of experience? They continually apply because they are absolute.
You've totally missed the point of my analogy of North America, the continent we call North America existed long before a concept was developed to define it. In the same way, the Laws of Logic have always existed, even before a concept was developed to define them.
You're a wild looking guy Sagak, what's with that costume you are wearing?
Youve never once turned an atheists "world view" on its head. Don be silly.
Thank you. I have the same ministry to atheist. If we don't stand up, we will lose an entire generation Z to the forces of darkness. Atheism kicks in the door,then moral relativism soon follows.
Thanks
wait did you say "latte" in the sky? lol
Cornelius Van Til 2.0
Saul of Tarsus had a world view HE WAS RIGHT. But Jesus can knock you off your horse.
13:25 "They actually know god in their heart of hearts, that's the key to this whole thing."
This is basically fullfilling the prophecy that Paul speaks of in 1 COR 3:18 "you should become "fools" so that you may become wise."
*Click* Stopped watching. Instead I'll watch Richard Feynman give a lecture about particle physics, something actually useful.
this is so unconvincing for too many reasons to mention here but i would just like to point out no one is putting your god on trial they are putting YOUR CLAIM on trial. we are challenging you. if i said god told me you he wants you to punch your face, would being skeptical be putting god on trial?
Obviously, if you begin with a faith and rationalize the rest of existence to conform to it, you'll get a consistent world view - that does not make such a world view true. The first seventeen minutes of the video reduces to this sentence: if you don't completely beg the question, the conclusion might fail to follow. The next half of the video is an instructional on rhetoric. If you're here looking for an argument, walk away quickly!