THE TREATY 1991 RTÉ BBC starring Ian Bannen & Brendan Gleeson
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- The Treaty is a 1991 Irish historical television film written by Brian Phelan and directed by Jonathan Lewis. The film is about the Anglo-Irish Treaty that Michael Collins bargained for with the British government in 1921. Low budget and originally made for television, this is a RTÉ - BBC co-production
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Brendan Gleeson plays Michael Collins, Barry McGovern plays Éamon de Valera, Bosco Hogan plays Erskine Childers, John Warner plays George V, Julian Fellowes plays Winston Churchill, and Ian Bannen plays David Lloyd George.
Brendan Gleeson's portrayal of Collin's is possibly the most accurate put to film. I think he captures the youthfulness of Collin's a lot more readily than the likes of Liam Neeson. Well done Brendan 👏
@JacktheFilmFanatic-vu1nk He did put on some weight as the Irish War of Independence (1919-1921) wore on.
Michael Collins. The greatest Nationalist produced in these islands. 100 years since the "Big Fella" was killed. A Tradgedy for Ireland. God bless him. Ireland needs a man like him now. IRELAND FOR THE IRISH. 🇮🇪
Brian boru baby
Even Irish sex offenders? Rapists? They would have more rights than a hard working tax paying foreigner?
I wonder when Belfast will finally become 'Ireland'.
What RUBBISH! Collins was an idiot whose documents provided British intelligence with a goldmine of info on the IRA. Don't believe the lies.
A brilliant movie .Albeit I am English,I fully understand the Irish people's hunger for independence in the early 20th century.
I live in Australia now.My wife and I visited Ireland in 2014 and it was only then that we realised just how unjustly the Irish were treated in the 19th century. I am 70 now but you never stop learning the truth !
Bualadh Bos, 👏👏👏👏, and we'll never stop until freedom is achieved. 🇮🇪💚☘
Good on ye Neil ! Hope your keeping well 😀🇮🇪
If the Irish crave independence, they should leave the EU and stop getting half of their laws from Brussels.
@@susannamarker2582 if only we could have freedom from Britain in the north as easily as we could leave the EU
@@susannamarker2582 FFFFRRRREEEEEEEDDDOMMMM
Haven't seen this film in a long time.
Simply superb.
Brendan Gleeson's perfomance as Michael Collins was outstanding!
Thanks for the upload!
It's virtually impossible for Brendan Gleeson to be anything but great; the man is a monumental talent.
It was up for a few years and the utube chanel deleted it. Then it was up again.
All the Power to the awesome Irish People. I was there and totally overwhelmed by their soulful, gentle and caring nature. And their courage. Greets from Germany.
God bless Michael Collins and every man, woman and child that fought for us, to finally get out from under the jackboot of England. There's nothing wrong with saying that and wanting to be free...800 years of misery, starvation and sheer violence...yes, I'm a proud Irish woman...freedom is everything
yet the Free State Army, Broy Harriers etc did more damage to the IRA than the UK ever did
We could do with his like again now as our country is being stolen from beneath us again
@@mattsmyth117 well, its badly needed for sure..
Given away to weirdos....
So very true. God bless the brave Irish who fought for freedom and may Ireland be fully unified soon
This is my first time watching this film even though it came out over 30 years ago. It turns out it's a much better researched and more nuanced piece than the more famous 1996 film 'Michael Collins'. Thanks for posting.
I'm rather surprised by your criticism of Michael Collins, 1996. Having studied, and lectured on the subject, (MC) for more years than I care to recall, I was truly impressed with the film. That said, I thoroughly enjoyed 'The Treaty' and that of Brendan Gleeson's magnificent thespian qualities.
With the centenary of the Truce, Negotiations and subsequent Anglo Irish Treaty this year, RTÉ should restore and remaster this film for DVD release and another airing of it on television.
It would be nice, however I like the video quality it brings a specialness to it.
Still a lot historical inaccuracies
Fantastic film. Many thanks for uploading it , dont know why there is not a dedicated tv channel to show these classics . What a unenviable Job Collins & Co had . Brendan Gleeson is one Top Actor.
One man brought the British empire to it's knees ❤☘🇮🇪
Bruh the British empire would have beat Collins if they knew the IRA had no bullets left 😂, even and in a full blown war the empire would have went full scorched earth and won that way.
And the empire lasted for another half decade after collins died with the north still under British control
@@johnhenry4844 British chocked Ulster Unionists are hypocrites when comes to sectarianism.
And taught the world how to throw off the shackles of coloniasam Urban guerilla war Moe so tiny kenyta Meri Che Guevara all learned from An fear mor
@@johnboylan3591 yet the Free State Army and then the Broy Harriers etc did more damage to the IRA than the British ever did
This acting, casting, script and backdrop is the nearest you'll get to the ultimate truth of this period. Brendan is especially sublime. 🇮🇪💚☘
It really is brilliant.... Its a gem that not too many people know about.
@@DublinDan English propaganda
Cameron was very good. Pity he couldn't do a more Welsh accent
Brendan Gleeson is the definitive on screen Michael Collins. The actor who plays Cahal Brugha does display a great deal of menace and nastiness.
Thank you for posting this RTÉ BBC production. I am a non-Catholic U.S. citizen with German rather than Irish heritage. I was first introduced to "The Troubles" in middle school when I read Liam O'Flaherty's short story, The Sniper, which takes place during the civil war which followed in the aftermath of the passage of the Treaty. Further research at the time led me to stories of the Easter Rising and the actions at the GPO, The Four Courts and others. These stories filled the mind of a boy who had never set foot in Ireland. Looking back, it is worth noting just how powerful a single, well-written story can be to any one individual. I have since enjoyed learning of the biographies of the leaders of the Rising, primarily through the fairly recent Irish productions released for the 100th anniversary. Although I have been to Europe on many occasions, I have yet to visit Ireland. When I do, you can be sure that much of my visit will be retracing the steps of Ireland's founders.
Collins was a pragmatist and strategic master betrayed at the end by the one man who he protected. Collins was the real hero of Ireland.
Indeed
Close range
Far from it. He was a traitor.
@jody1367 totally agree with you he abandoned his people in the North him Griffith Barton Duggan, all traitors, and they knew it the irish in the North have had to suffer 100 years of British tyranny
@@jody1367should he of gone to war knowing Ireland would lose?
A brilliantly made drama on the Anglo-Irish Treaty negotiations. I saw it when it first came out in 1991. Agree Brendan Gleeson was excellent (the best Michael Collins) in my opinion. But the other cast members were also excellent. Ian Bannen as Lloyd George, Tony Doyle as Griffith and Barry McGovern as Dev. It puts Neil Jordan's Hollywood fantasy 'Michael Collins' in the shade!!!
History is very hard to recreate faithfully in film; the directors narrative vision almost always involves the liberal use of artistic licence in the form of story editing and composite characters. Michael Collins close confidant Harry Boland died of gunshot wounds in his hospital bed as opposed to Neil Jordan's version in the Michal Collins movie.
Neil Jordan movie is fairly accurate unlike Braveheart.
@freebeerfordworkers It's a film it need dramatic scenes
I've been searching for this programme for ages and am delighted this has appeared on UA-cam,hopefully we will see "Rebel Heart" another series about the Rising,the War of Independence and the Civil War. Thanks for uploading this Irish Countryman.👍😀👍
Rebel Heart seems to have disappeared, I've been trying to find it for a few years now, with no luck.
Excellent film! Most enjoyable. Thank you for this!
I saw this in 91 but just watched it again and thoroughly enjoyed it . Well done for uploading it old chap
The man who plays Cathal Brugha does a great job.
The fella who played Arthur Griffith did a great job.
Was he played by the late Tony Doyle?
@@KenFromBeara yes it appears so. I wasn't aware he died. He gave a brilliant performance as Arthur Griffith.
@@irishcountryman4866 Died suddenly, some years ago, not very old
Brendan Gleeson is the best Collins ever in my opinion; the resemblance is uncanny.
Barry McGovern (DeValera) and Alan Stanford (Birkenhead) worked together again in what is probably the best ever production of Waiting For Godot.
Nah. Neeson was the best
Brendan Gleason played Liam Tobin in 'Michael Collins' . When Gleason first showed up on set Liam Neeson declared, " Here's the real. Michael Collins!"
He looked like Martin 'the General' Cahill too. So does Mick look like Martin?
The Horse Outside here here I completely agree. Liam Neeson was the best Collins portrayal 🥰☘️
A historical masterpiece indeed.
What a film Brendan Gleeson is immense in this
...so was Bannen
@@63Baggies he was indeed
Brendan Gleeson is the best actor Ireland has ever produced
The Big Fella was born 130 years ago today (16-10-1890). The Greatest Irish Hero. I’m proud to have Cork Irish blood running through me. My Grandpa, Thomas Patrick Hayes, was from Youghal his mother’s maiden name was Collins.
We should all follow a path of freedom. Big Love for the Big Fella.
Im American, but my grandfather left Cork in 1916 out of sheer disgust that complete independence wasnt achieved. As a Desmond, whose family lost everything in the rebellions, I cannot blame him. Even today, the north is kept separate. Strange how Britain will readily accept anyone who comes ashore, yet, still will not let go of the last vestiges of Ireland, upon which, they have no claim, and never did.
as at present a majority in the North are still Unionists. As to people taking territory, the USA (Americans are also Chilean, Colombia etc) also took territory from Mexico and relentlessly bullied it over the years. Btw its all very well for people to talk about freedom etc and yet there is at least one person elsewhere on this thread is a racist and anti-semite. I am a Welsh Nationalist and like most of the Scots ones too, we dont obsess about skin colour
Thank you for this, great actors at work here
Great film ,editing just right giving it good pace and build up thanks!
Low Budget but what a top performance, great direction,and edited to perfection.
Proof, if proof were needed, that one can skimp on anything except TALENT.
De valera stiched up Collins a treat . Dev knew that a 32 county ireland wasnt on the table and didn't want to be seen to compromise .
When Michael came back without the 32, Dev broke with the Dail, which led to the civil war.
I blame Dev for all the Irish blood that was spilled.
Fantastic video, I learned many things.
Great video thanks for the upload 👍
Michael Collins my hero
Neil Jordan's film of Michael Collins left all this out. Like making a film about Neil Armstrong and leaving out the moon landing.
Yes. That was astonishing. Your Neil Armstrong analogy is completely apt. Strangely I can't recall much commentary on this. Maybe, Dev was shredding film scripts beyond the grave - he excelled at censorship.
Man on the moon your having a laugh
@@mjw12345 Truth is the first casualty in any war.
What would you know slattery
@Leo D'Arcy well said my guy
Support the National Party and Irish Freedom Party and stop the impending censorship laws.
Haven't seen this film in ages. Great story.
Barry McGovern was a great casting as De Valera, Alan Rickman was too. Brendan Gleeson and Liam Neeson both played Collins very well and Tony Doyle and Owen Roe was both excellent as Arthur Griffith.
Excellent !!!
Everyone did a superb job in this film, I especially liked Ian Bannen as David Lloyd George. Julian Fellowes as Winston Churchhill was so cold and calculating here.
One wonders whether the history of the Republic and it's relationship with the UK would have been better served if Collins had never been killed. Devalera kept the country in the dark ages for decades.
If Collins had lived, there'd be no Northern Ireland today. It would have been folded back into the south because Collins was making plans before his death to use the new Free State as a base to strike into the north, and that's when it would have REALLY got ugly. Collins was the John Lennon of Irish political history - the fact that he died so young is what made him a legend. If he'd got any older, the music he made would not have been so sweet.
Joe Francis but we wouldn’t have been under the thumb of the Catholic Church and the when DeV came to power the economic isolationism
@@michaelmulligan0 Ah, yes, the wicked old Catholic Church, the never failing cause of all our woes. Perhaps the John Lennon analogy was hasty. Maybe Trotsky would have been more apt - "oh, if only Trotsky had won, or Lenin had lived, Communism would definitely have worked and we'd have a paradise today".
Graeme Hill Dev was the biggest gobsh*te ever.
That's why he was murdered by the traitors of #$%@#le we all know about it now and still they get votes from Irish people that enables them to occupy Leinster House to this day???????🇮🇪🙏🙏
The first five minutes of this film gives the best advice for fighting an insurgency- Go all out or get out.
Funny , a hundred years later and they had to learn it again in Afghanistan.
After the whole show all I can say is this is a great Movie
Surely you mean (re-learning in) Afghanistan? The British, Russians and Americans have all received a tonking in that region.
Thank you for uploading this. The pressure on those incredible men like Collins and Griffith is unimaginable. de Valera made Lloyd George look like a principled man!
i actually have this on video...looked for this on UA-cam for literally years only to find it now....
old school drama. seen from both sides, this is magnificent....
A great film!
Thank you so much for uploading this film. Doubt I'd have got the chance to watch it if you hadn't done so. I don't think it's easy to get hold of.
This is the real ady daydy al rih.
Beautiful portrayals of a complex period in Anglo-Irish Relations.
Gleeson was the art and bart of Michael Collins.
This is/was Ireland. A terrible beauty. Tis nearly all gone now.
Many thanks for this upload!
Gleeson's performance was excellent as Michael Collins but Liam Neeson was almost perfect because he was actually as tall as Michael at over 6 foot. Can't believe it's his 100th anniversary today. What he did for Ireland was incredible, he was way a head of his time. England was going to send a quarter of a million troops into Ireland and after fighting a world war with Germany, they would've destroyed us in a few weeks and Michael knew this.
He worked so hard and achieved so much in far too short a life -
The threat of immediate and terrible war was a bluff. Churchill laughed in his memoirs how they signed the Treaty right away after the bluff.
Ireland fought for and won their independence only to throw it away in century 21.
@@andrewdrummond1244 Ireland never achieved independence
Congratulations best wishes well Done Brendan.
Right then Brendan Gleeson was grand indeed but alas Liam Neeson was absolutely brilliant and me favourite Michael Collins portrayal ☘️🥰
Each to their own, I preferred this one but both are really good. The Liam Neeson Film did bring Michael Collins's story to a wider audience. Brendan Gleeson had a smaller role in that film but it was before he was as big a he is now.
True...
Thanks for uploading this
Never knew this existed. Cushty film
As an Australian, with almost equal helpings of Irish and English (plus a dash of Polynesian) heritage, I’m torn between an awful repugnance of the English nihilistic tyranny of Ireland and love of family. I feel saddened, beyond measure, at what terrible acts were, and are, carried out in the cause of ‘God and Country’ or, dare I say it, peace!
I too share Irish and English geneology . I'm born and have lived in England all my life and visited Ireland many a time. I have allways put the arguement thar the sins of England were never carried out on my or my familys behalf. The
You've been misinformed. Support for independence was never widespread in Ireland until 1916. For most of the 19th Century, nationalists struggled to gain seats at Westminster.
The English working people were treated awfully by their own too. Not their fault.
@@greglyons2526The English Working people were often Irish. The Irish emigrated. Edit: Granted by this point all Irishmen were British subjects.
Very Good Historical context and it's presentation ; Commendable Indeed ; with best regards and wishes to Ireland from nadeem Karachi Pakistan
@Martin Hodge Yes Indeed ; many similarities; in 1990 some 30 years ago I presented a number of similarities in a hand written plastic sheets over head presentation in Dublin;;;;; u said the same thing after so many years #long live Emerald Island #long live Pakistan
@Martin Hodge I suppose the catastrophic partition of "British India" comes to mind. Now, 2 nations with nuclear weapons and risk of WWIII.
Collins was a man to be admired, respected and feared.
Barr na maidine agus ádh na nÉireannach ! ! !
Go raibh míle maith agat as uaslódáil an scannáin iontach seo.
Le meas, Goraidh Mac a Chruiteir.
🇮🇪👍🇮🇪👍🇮🇪👍🇮🇪👍🇮🇪👍🇮🇪👍🇮🇪
It was actually an Irish-UK-Australian co-production. According to the end credits the Australian Broadcasting Corporation had some involvement in this film.
Explains the Australian accents
Good acting, especially from Ian Bannen , as always.
Fun fact....
Owen roe who played Gavin Duffy played Arthur Griffith in the film Michael collins
Lloyd George was very crafty...he didn’t mind an independent Ireland so long as it was divided amongst itself and poor and toothless. Mind you De Valera was just as crafty in splitting the negotiators against themselves and freeing himself from the compromise that had to be done. You feel sorry for Collins in all of this as he ended up being the victim.
Lloyd George was known as "the Welsh Wizard"
He said negotiating with Dev was "like picking up mercury with a fork"
Dev's reply was "Oh, why doesn't he use a spoon"
@@joekilgobinet Lloyd George was beloved by a large chunk of the British population. He was probably one of the most loved politicians in the House of Commons until near the end of the war. He had a lot of charm and got what he wanted, both politically and personally.
joekilgobinet That comeback is fire lol
John King I don’t know he got into a lot of trouble with cash for honours and his friendliness to Hitler in the 1930s. He is a WW1 hero but the way he treated Ireland 🇮🇪 with his Black and Tans and then the partition of it caused it unimaginable heartache and problems for decades to come. It’s no accident that the Liberals haven’t occupied No 10 since, as they were blamed for losing Ireland.
@@123brownjames I meant pre-1916 he was a firm favourite. He was beloved by the electorate when he was Chancellor of the Exchequer, and it was he who steered through the Parliament Act of 1911 which limited the power of the House of Lords and provided MPs with an annual salary for the first time, allowing working class MPs the option to try for parliament, knowing they would earn a salary for doing so.
Absolutely love this. So glad you uploaded it.
At one point Lloyd George accepts that England broke previous treaties but that now, it's a democracy and that this treaty is signed on behalf of the people of the UK. A phrase that rings a bit hollow since last week.
Very good and informative in areas I wasn't sure about. The negotiators had a really difficult time with the British. Even now the British want everything their own way!
As well all see here Brendan Gleeson went on to play Liam Mellows in Michale Collins, but its also interesting to note that Owen Roe who plays George Gavin Duffy in The Treaty would go onto play Arthur Griffith in Michael Collins.
Michael Collins signed the Anglo-Irish Treaty and by doing so his death warrant.
De Valera trapped Collins. My mother used to say : The wrong man got the bullet. Collins would have been better economically. He was more pragmatic. De Valera was too much of a thinker, too theoretical.
DeValera indeed trapped Collins and Dev’s men assassinated Michael Collins.
100 % Dev Used Mick as a scape goat , But even now there is always that true saying...' As long as Ireland remains unfree , There will never be Peace...!! Oglaigh Na hEireann !! Tiocfaidh Ar La !! Saoirse , Saoradh !! Eire Nua , Erin Go Bragh...!! 26 + 6 = 1 United Ireland...!! RSF...CIRA !!
@@markg9749 Ireland is not free ? How can it be if it gets half its legislation from Brussels ? Well said, Sir. Unfortunately, the RTE D4 set won't talk about it.
@@markg9749.. I'm Irish blood born in England.. My love is for Ireland before any England... Chuck ar la ( not sure my spelling is right) ... Our time will come.
Excellent film. In my view, the anti-Treaty faction always underestimated the power of the British Empire, for which it fought the First World War ( not for “Little Belgium” ). Collins and Griffith obtained the best possible terms only to be criticised and derided on their return. As for Dev, a clever but impractical man who became an icon for his people, but never achieved the Irish unity he claimed to be paramount. In life and on film he seems to dominate Collins, but he must have led a very sad life having achieved nothing further for Ireland. IMHO.
Ireland for the Irish ☘️❤✊🏻
excellent movie as a proud irish american i see michael collins as a hero
Thanks mate
No disrespect to Barry McGovern, But Alan Rickman got de Valera's voice as accurately as possible in Michael Collins
Yes, Rickman was rather awesome in that role...Up the 32...
@billy bell they're not Irish, they're scots.
@billy bell if a people live in a land for generations and generations, equating to a thousand or more years and have taken care of the land and fed off the crops and built constructs and fought imperialism countless times then I'd say any mass influx of economic asylum seekers can be seen as a taking of land and culture, which in turn could be considered an act of war. Would you allow a stranger into your house and take it over like a squatter? Nah you wouldn't bud. Obviously your people are here a few generations now but T'is still rightfully our land.
What's your view on the influx of African and Arab economic asylum seekers to Europe? Would you consider it an agenda by the Luciferian elite, or do you believe they're rights are more important than our culture, history and children's future?
@billy bell I shouldn't have bothered even asking ya pal.
@@jjg2243 As important yes,they are human beings after all. Have you learned nothing in school about the great famine? We were in similar situations in our past,broke hungry with nowhere to go. Asylum seekers are not an invading army or anything like it. Some of our greatest were the kids of people who moved here from other countries and are now considered Irish and rightfully so. Half of U2 for a start,Paul Mcgrath another, Phil Lynott too. Perhaps you should get the fuck out of Ireland for a little while eh? Might do you good.
Brendan gleeson looked a lot like the great michael collins
Brendan Gleeson absolutely Best Mick Collins! In Troy against Orlando Bloom he looked like the corner back that was every corner forwards nightmare!
underrated comment!
Really enjoyed that. As a Brit who lived in Ireland for 10 years, I learned about the uprising, Mr Collins, civil war etc, but not to the detail of how the treaty was finally signed. Great film. Another great Irish film with Brendan was The General, film about the toe-rag Martin Cahill..
I think Collins would have been a better leader.He was not a politician he was a man of action.I believe this what Ireland needed at the time.
Love this film even more than the big screen movie that came along later
The British rarely pulled out of any of her colonies without leaving bloodsheds and civil wars and strife
Really? Singapore? Malaya? That the Free State Army did more damage to the IRA than the UK did is our fault?
excellent
Observing the implementation of Totalitarian Government in 2020 here in Ireland makes all of this look a little futile. In 2o20, Irish people gave up their hard fought freedom without so much as a whimper.
Martin said in Dail eireann that sovereignty was not important to him
Well said Stephen, except I'd beg to differ on the actual date; history proves that we accept being oppressed and subjugated whether it's by external or internal forces - look at the pay rises which have been given to politicians recently while the rest of the country burns, and an un-named group of so-called 'experts' titled NPHET actually rule the country.
Class 💚
Seeing this movie I am surprised that Michael Collins was not awarded the Nobel Peace Price as was given to Nelson Mandela, Yitzhak Rabin, Anwar Sadat....And like Rabin and Sadat he too was murdered by his own people after doing so much for his country
Only my opinion ,they all sold out the 6 counties of North East Ulster , Craig never gave an inch ,Long live Ireland ,but the 6 counties need to be returned .
the bloke who done Churchill wrote Downton abbey
Julian halloway?
@@johnkennethwiseman682 Julian fellowes
I prefer Brendan to Neeson.
Yes I agree with that leeson from ulster Ballymena
Well done. The field marshal knows his stuff and his foe knows theirs.. Good match !!
It was shown on ITV on Wednesday 15th January 1992. 2 days before the deadly IRA attack on a minibus in Co. Tyrone.
I hope in my lifetime that there will be a United Ireland one day. One stumbling block is the Unionists in the North and whether they will be part of a unified nation is a matter to be discussed. Catholic and Protestant we all believe in God and everyone will benefit in a unified Ireland 🇮🇪
Yes, the majority of Northern-Irishmen would be a problem.
From reading the biography it seems a lot of these scenes are representative of stories about Collins
Especially the wrestling
@@DomhnallOSuileabhainPrin-tm1fw including the wrestling
This production was NOT from the BBC but their commercial rival ITV via Thames Television, a co-production with RTE.
Brendan Gleeson WAS Michael Collins. Better & more truthful than the Hollywood “Michael Collins” with Liam Neeson...
Collins is a fascinating figure. One of the greatest leaders Ireland ever produced. Today’s ‘leaders’ of all political complexions are pygmies in comparison. They don’t make them like Collins any more.
Having studied his final hours in west cork in august ‘22 I am inclined to believe Collins made it too easy for them to get him. That begs the question why.
Why did he drive into enemy territory & why when ambushed did he order the convoy to stop & fight it out. Something no trained soldier would do. Military training says you would either drive on at speed or turn back.
It looks likely that he was shot by Sonny O’Neill a former British Army sniper. How convenient that he was in the right spot at the right time.
Did Collins have a death wish? Did he want out of it all? Was he so enraged with the behaviour of the anti-treaty forces that he just snapped? We may never know.
One thing is clear his death conveniently paved the way for DeValera & ensured Ireland remained partitioned for the next 100 years. Dev made no attempt to end partition in spite of all his bluster.
Follow the money.
Great movie
my dad was in the old ira dan murphy r i p
A well scripted and sensibly portrayed story in context..... where a larger understanding of the history of Ireland is instructive.
At minimum, the barbarous behavior by the British Crown alone during the devastating Great Famine of 1845 to 1849 is good start.
And the Real Historic events surrounding The Red Hand Of Ulster from the 13th Century is as well somewhat "pivotal".
*Éirinn go Brách.... Saorstát Érin* (and _"Up The Aussies"_ TOO)!!! 👍
Although I am not a native born Irishman, I have visited my father's family in County Mayo and spent some.months living there, learning first hand about both my family's and Irish ;history and literature, I am not arrogant enough to think that I am the only person who is entitled to speak for.all the Irish people! But I have also spent 11 years teaching Ebmnglish in Germany, since German is my actual fluent second language, not Irish. So.my background is multi--cultural at best, and not exclusively Irish, but I have a special spot in my heart for the Irish, so I became an imperfect Irishman in spirit.and also in nationality. I also spent time in Sweden and found much in that country that I also admired and still love, yet I did not become a Swedish citizen, so my preference is still Irish. None of this makes me a "Plastic Paddy," however, because I still feel, think, and am happy to identify as b eff ing Irish 365 days a year, and not only on March 17th, St. PATRICK'S DAY, as do many Irish Americans who are sometimes "Stage Irish," who only appear to as ct Irish (whatever that sad character might be,) but keep my feelings close to the best, and refuse to indulge in the sad, stereotype Irishman.many Americans like to pathetically mimic by putting on a fake Irish accent and then drink themselves into a blind stupor! I also don't normally allow myself to get embroiled in Brit bashing or lambasting the English for past transgressions, because I have no desire to rekindle past hatreds that need badly to die out so that we can see ourselves and future generations living together in peace and enlightened understanding of the good things we can appreciate and enjoy about each other's culture, language, and humor. Just as my friends in Germany have taught me for many years, hate and fear are corrosive to the common human spirit, and can inevitably destroy us from within! We all need to choose to celibrate what brings us together in harmony and in ssd one degree of happiness, and not forget everything but the grudges, as some smart ass people often accuse us of doing! I .try
hard to fit in wherever I live, and enjoy the company of my fellow humans, without polluting my mind or my personality with past prejudices toward any different ethnic groups, but to look for the good in all, even though we all have our internal preferences.
How tragic that Ireland had to endure so much pain and loss for her precious independence. Martyrs all of the men and women who gave their lives for Ireland to be free.
And NOW it's the second half.
The Free State Army probably killed more IRA men than the British did
Britain did not, until after World War II, give up any of her territories willingly. The reason they decided to leave Ireland was a) because the Labour Party, which started to gain support and popularity were clear on their position to leave Ireland, and b) Britain needed American financial help to pay the enormous cost of fighting World War I. However the Irish lobby, still bitter at the way Britain (mis) handled the potato famine and then the Eastern Rebellion and finally at the atrocities the British army were committing in Ireland forced threatened sanctions on the UK until Britain moved on Ireland
Do you mean World War I or World War II, because both wars were costly for Britain?
@@jmwilliamsart WWI
And now in 2023, Sunaks UK govt is mega eager (with the GFAs 25th anniv approaching) to get pro Irish Biden on side: hence the very recent Windsor arrangrment, as an amendment to the NI Protocol..
Good movie. Hindsight is 20/20. Good men trying to figure out a solution to a problem that had many angles. I can't help but to love Collins but I think I would have supported DeValera.
I think the Michael Collins film explores the pain and trauma of the Partition of Ireland. This story feels like it is missing the point of the consequences on the island of Ireland within.
Man, wasn't de Valera misleading in his words all through the negotiations. A real politician.
A fascinating and informative drama. The production itself hasn't aged very well. The performances are very theatrical and the sets are a bit cheap in certain places. Otherwise I enjoyed it. The Scottish school curriculum doesn't include any aspect of Irish history- I wonder why???? We were taught nothing of this important period in UK/Irish history and as a result "The Troubles" had very little context for us. As a Protestant I now have a fuller informed appreciation of history. I fully support Irish Independence and Scottish Independence from England.
This video was originally recorded on VHS to DVD then recorded with computer software, then uploaded to Facebook and then someone uploaded it from Facebook here to UA-cam...so its really not fair to blame the production's ageing, (just saying)
I knew the quality wasn't very good when I uploaded it to Facebook but, I knew a lot of people were interested in seeing this movie
Same in Wales. We don't get to learn our own history. It's a question of no time: they're obliged to teach the history of the blacks, asians and gays. Then the bell rings.
The history of Ireland is not even mentioned in our English school curriculum either.
Does anyone know the soundtrack?
As an English man who has always taken an interest, I think Ireland would have fared much better under Collins than it did under De Valera.
Why? The former came from the same stock as the latter and the latter got independence, maneuvered through a War and Ireland's constitution which is apparently the oldest republican Constitution in Europe, that is still used.
I have two stories where my Granny worked with Michael Collins!
@Saints and Scholars Sorry for taking so long in my reply. The only two stories my Granny told were, once she and a friend were asked to bring a bag of clothes to an address in Dublin. Upon arriving they were asked to wait in the sitting room, after a while Michael Collins, dressed in women's clothes entered the room. they were then asked to escort him through the roadblocks then in place. Ironically they were whistled at and catcalled by the soldiers while doing so.
@Saints and Scholars The second story was regarding an injured colleague of Mr Collin's circle. This gentleman was shot by the British Army and was incarcerated in a semi secure ward in Hospital. Michael Collins along with several other people dressed as either Doctors or Nurses (Granny included), walked into the secure area and informed that the patient was to go to the operating room. After persuasion, the guards allowed the injured party to be wheeled to the operating room. Upon entry Michael Collins told the security detail that, as they were not clean enough to enter a clinical environment they should remain outside. Once inside,the patient and everyone else involved walked out a second door, and freedom! Sorry these are not the most amazing stories but it's the only stories my Granny ever told us when we where kids.
@Saints and Scholars I've a story for you.
My Great-Grandmother met Collins in the Imperial Hotel here in Cork the day before he was shot.
We don't know why she met up with him as she was only 17, but the elders in the family refuse to speak about it and get somewhat uncomfortable.
She was a trainee nun at the time, but left which is the reason I'm here! 😆I found out that it was commonplace for people with religious affluence to be involved with spying during the Civil War.
It's a fascinating question I will never get an answer to, but I can theorise!
@Swamp Yankee My Granny was the salt of the earth, no back doors with that lady, she made my father what he was, and he returned the favour. Well at least I hope so!
@@lambhdeargh CnM - did she go pro or anti treaty - most CnM went anti treaty...