In 1992, my Rockshox Judy changed the game forever on my previously full rigid GT Avalanche. Then in '93 I removed the elastomers and replaced them with Ti coil springs and added a Risse Gem Cartridge damper too and that forever changed the game yet again. For those of you who only know modern day MTBs, you missed out on some really cool evolution.... you are also spared from riding some really bad - no, horrific bikes and components as well.
My current road bike has SRAM Red hydraulic rim brakes. I doubt, that any disc brake under 160mm diameter on a mountain bike is better. Bike industry loved disc brakes. All those new frames to sell...
Competition trials bikes still use Magura or other hydraulic rim brakes as standard- more powerful than disc brakes and you don’t have as much wheel flex.
@bikeradar Agreed, Magura rim brakes are still available brand new and are the best option for anybody running a frame or fork that doesn't take discs. I use them on my rigid MTB and they give a much better feel than cable brakes (even cable discs). They're still ideal for commuters because that's pretty gentle on wheels, so they stay true. Magura brakes give plenty of power, really good modulation, and are more or less maintenance free. Magura used to offer a 20 year guarantee on the seals.
I loved my 95 stumpjumper FSR (which was grey and had a steel front triangle)…… it ended up with long travel links made by Chris Porter (before he set up Mojo) & hope mechanically discs….
My newest bike is a vintage bike now. In 2006 I bought my Giant Faith 2 and got a season in on it, and then l switched back to MX in my free time. Time to bleed the brakes and get it back to life.
John Tomac has a son, Eli who is an absolute beast on a motocross bike and is known for “beast mode” late in a Moto. Father and son both legends. Name is pronounced Toe Mac
Judging JUST base on motorcycles Iam really wondering why the hell some things like disc brakes did not come to bicycles much much sooner. As same as proper and better looking rear suspensions where you can have very good examples again from motorbikes. Basically bicycles were "100 years behind the apes" when we talk about this - especially in some enduro/forest/down hill bike riding
You should see what vocal road cyclists say about disc brakes in the comments of our videos 😂 I think some industries take time to evolve, take inspiration, and innovate for quite a few reasons
Roddy you have EAGLE eyes thats for sure. Yes it is on backwards, I will go and speak to the Retro Bike guys and ask them to fix it before next year's Malverns Classic! ~ Will
what are the downsides of mechanical discbrakes to hydraulic discbrakes? Couldnt you make mechanical discbrakes as strong as hydraulic brakes by incraesing the length of the lever?
They can be good but as soon as you get some cable contamination you run into performance degradation. The thing with hydraulics is increasing mechanical advantage is essentially free. In a mechanical system you generally have some moving parts that get more and more highly loaded as mechanical advantage increases so friction increases. Most (all?) mechanical disc brakes on bikes use a screw type mechanism to turn the rotary motion from the cable acting on a lever into linear motion at the pads. The more loading on the screw the more friction.
Worst/favourite retro mountain bike design? 👇
In 1992, my Rockshox Judy changed the game forever on my previously full rigid GT Avalanche. Then in '93 I removed the elastomers and replaced them with Ti coil springs and added a Risse Gem Cartridge damper too and that forever changed the game yet again. For those of you who only know modern day MTBs, you missed out on some really cool evolution.... you are also spared from riding some really bad - no, horrific bikes and components as well.
Judy wasn't made til 1995.
@@johndef5075 That's what happens when you get old I guess. So '95 and '96.
It was definitely better than the previous mag 21 Rock Shox and Manitou models . I think the other person was correct about 96 or so timeframe.
1997 Marzocchi Z1 Bomber. Moving from elastomers to coils and oil was mind blowing
My 30 year old Cannondale tandem still has Magura hydraulic brakes. Still working great.
My current road bike has SRAM Red hydraulic rim brakes. I doubt, that any disc brake under 160mm diameter on a mountain bike is better. Bike industry loved disc brakes. All those new frames to sell...
Still have my 1995 kilauea with the project 2 fork, but my dream bike back on those days was the Yeti with the lawwill fork .
Love seeing this older tech. Reminds me of flipping through MBaction in the 90s.
The mustache is definitely giving Nigel Thornberry and i love it. Anyway, bikes🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
I'm still riding vintage and never been happier!
Here another vintage fan, simple bikes with style, without so much posing. I have several, I love to restore and use them, especially MTBs.
Competition trials bikes still use Magura or other hydraulic rim brakes as standard- more powerful than disc brakes and you don’t have as much wheel flex.
Here in Germany, for touring (city) bikes, we still use a lot of Magura rims.
That's really interesting! I love the power and feel. I wonder why they're still popular in that application...
~ Will
@@bikeradar I think it‘s because they deliver pretty constant and good performance while being reliable.
@bikeradar
Agreed, Magura rim brakes are still available brand new and are the best option for anybody running a frame or fork that doesn't take discs.
I use them on my rigid MTB and they give a much better feel than cable brakes (even cable discs).
They're still ideal for commuters because that's pretty gentle on wheels, so they stay true. Magura brakes give plenty of power, really good modulation, and are more or less maintenance free. Magura used to offer a 20 year guarantee on the seals.
I loved my 95 stumpjumper FSR (which was grey and had a steel front triangle)…… it ended up with long travel links made by Chris Porter (before he set up Mojo) & hope mechanically discs….
Wow sounds like a proper retro ride! Would love to see that!
~ Will
Flexstem we're great, had one on my dave Yates with bontrager rigid forks, it was all you needed for fast xc .
My newest bike is a vintage bike now. In 2006 I bought my Giant Faith 2 and got a season in on it, and then l switched back to MX in my free time. Time to bleed the brakes and get it back to life.
We had monoshock cantilever frame crossrider BMX bikes with comp forks in the mid 70s...Why did it take the MTBs so long to catch up !!!
Can’t believe the Xizang had the skewer on the wrong side of the bike… on show…
Oh my word, that really is a faux pas! I will go and speak to the Retro Bike guys and make sure this is rectified for you!
~ Will
John Tomac has a son, Eli who is an absolute beast on a motocross bike and is known for “beast mode” late in a Moto. Father and son both legends.
Name is pronounced Toe Mac
3:55 wrong tire rotation🙀
I wonder about that toga bike if it will be available in the states. Just a longer specialized FSR with contemporary stuff on it.
Judging JUST base on motorcycles Iam really wondering why the hell some things like disc brakes did not come to bicycles much much sooner. As same as proper and better looking rear suspensions where you can have very good examples again from motorbikes. Basically bicycles were "100 years behind the apes" when we talk about this - especially in some enduro/forest/down hill bike riding
You should see what vocal road cyclists say about disc brakes in the comments of our videos 😂 I think some industries take time to evolve, take inspiration, and innovate for quite a few reasons
I have a Trimble bike and Klein Adroit forrest❤❤❤❤❤❤
cannondale front tyre on back to front?
Roddy you have EAGLE eyes thats for sure. Yes it is on backwards, I will go and speak to the Retro Bike guys and ask them to fix it before next year's Malverns Classic!
~ Will
Hang on… it’s not “horse-link”?! 🤦🏽♀️🐴
Nay
what are the downsides of mechanical discbrakes to hydraulic discbrakes? Couldnt you make mechanical discbrakes as strong as hydraulic brakes by incraesing the length of the lever?
They can be good but as soon as you get some cable contamination you run into performance degradation.
The thing with hydraulics is increasing mechanical advantage is essentially free. In a mechanical system you generally have some moving parts that get more and more highly loaded as mechanical advantage increases so friction increases. Most (all?) mechanical disc brakes on bikes use a screw type mechanism to turn the rotary motion from the cable acting on a lever into linear motion at the pads. The more loading on the screw the more friction.
FSR is "Full Suspension Rig", this may have been changed later, but I have the original marketing brochure. Do your research 1st.
Scott Endorphin anyone?
Bring back the front derailer!
This guy's mustache is surreal- I can't take this joker seriously 😂
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MTB - that's where all the methods of making a simple ingenious device heavier for no other reason than driving up the price are tested.
No one is making you buy it. And claiming it doesn't do anything just makes you look like a fool