I love seeing/hearing Tom get *so excited* during his description of the game! I haven't had a chance to play the original yet, but I've been wanting to since I first heard of it, and I've watched the review enough times that I feel I know the game somewhat. This looks like a great expansion/sequel, especially the Raxxon module. The only drawback I can think of offhand is that after you have played it a few times, you'll know the potential effects of the pills, and thematically, it would be more interesting if each time you found unidentified pills, they were completely unknown to you. (Maybe adding the possibility of researching the pills before taking them, especially if you have the pharmacist character in play, vs. just trying them blindly.) Building improvements seems like a great idea, and very natural to the game. Both Tom and Sam referred to it as "wasting" time and resources, which sounds pretty negative. I'm sure it's not always a waste, though, but a strategic choice of how you're going to spend your efforts. I like the idea of the DVD player. Maybe your choice of movies could determine whether it raises or lowers morale? And some movies would have an added noise penalty... I also would've liked to know more about the chimp. :-) In my version, one of the Crossroads cards would reveal that the chimp actually has the mind of the evil CEO of Raxxon, and he wants to take over the world with his undead legions. For the next expansion, I would love to see them try a rural setting (naturally inspired by Hershel's farm in Walking Dead). Woods, barns, silos, FARMING EQUIPMENT, zombified animals, etc. And I would call it..."The Heartland." Mmmm...tasty, tasty hearts...
Just a heads up, I tried mixing the two games.(we really just wanted the dog to be honest), but the crossroad and the character cards use different colors. If you mix them, you CAN tell. Just as an fyi it doesn't quite work unless your group doesn't pay attention to that kind of thing. My group was a bunch of mtg players who are very aware of things like marking, so all of us noticed it.
Raxxon Pharmaceuticals was part of the original lore for Dead of Winter. They're the company that is responsible for the zombie outbreak. Then while developing Spectre Ops, Plaid Hat decided to set it in the future in a Raxxon facility. The biggest piece of lore that links the too is that Raxxon was aware that they had unleashed the zombie virus and positioned themselves to take advantage of the outbreak. This allowed them to become an extremely powerful cooperation, which is why Raxxon is the target of the agents in Spectre Ops.
can you play the pieces of The Long Night to play the basic version of Dead of Winter (i.e. i mean does it have enough pieces if i remove the expansion components just in case i want to play with newbies using the Long Night game)?
Gah! I have the Broken Token organizer for the first one, I can see this needing it's own organizer, maybe another DoW original organizer will work for this one...
Not sure if anyone pointed it out, but this base game has less content than original Dead of Winter, so I'd still recommend the original over this one. There are 50% more survivors in original Dead of Winter than in base game and original also has more Crossroads cards as well as more scenarios and objectives. So content wise original is much bigger. But Long Night has interesting variant modules that the original does not have.
4:31 The problem with the vault is that while that is a very low and deep fun thing to add Nowadays people really don't have secrets like that to keep and neither would they give a juicy one out either
Biggest issue I can see is the amount of survivors having unusual amounts of lenient dice requirements, too many survivors are capable of using low dice rolls for standard actions making them Over Powered as a result. Also there should be a few crappy survivors you can draw and be stuck with who say require 5+ dice for searching and attacking I feel that would help balance out the game.
You can play some of the new expansions without having to buy it. Just add some new tokens for this and that. I would rather buy another game they get this. The base game still has plenty of replay value
I preorder this game when I heard is was coming out. I was wondering if you heard when it will be released and it will be shipped to me? Since you have yours.
I got told that if you did not have the vanilla game, just get Long night. LN has all of the same components as the vanilla game plus 3 extra modules (also better basic components overall). Literally the only differences between the two after that are the characters and the crossroad cards. LN can be considered more a deluxe edition of the vanilla game.
I haven't taken the cardboard thingy out (which is kinda necessary for the cards), but I barely, and I mean BARELY, fit everything from just The Long Night in the box. The amount of standees is too damn high! :P
What do you think about the character ability in comparison to the original set? To me they seem like they have more involved abilities rather than simply, "take two cards instead of one when searching".
Suprised that your guys didn't talk about the more random elements of the new modules. For me and my friends, the difficulty in the original all lies with how often you have to roll for exposure; if you play well, you can avoid rolling it often, and have a much greater chance of winning. Granted, there are still elements of chance beyond your control in the game, such as Crossroads cards, action die rolls each round, even how the shuffle of item decks comes out, but they weren't overwelming elements. The two big modules in The Long Night adds a lot more chance into the game, and I feel its to its detriment. Crisis cards were already pot luck, but they now add bandits, and getting back what the bandits take also requires you to roll on a table. These are both elements of chance, things you can't plan for or affect at all. Likewise, Raxxon requires you to roll for exposure whenever you search there, and the special zombies both require you to, completely by luck, have the right dice for the containment combination, and if released involve mroe random chance to get rid of. I appreciate that these new elements were meant to be challenging, and had to be governed by some kind of mechanic. But all these added chance components heavily tip the game from one being about calculated risk to one one where luck dominates much more heavily. Maybe that's what people like, and I'm not saying they're incorrect: if I don't like the modules, I can make up my own rules for how they work or not use them entirely. I think something like this is worth mentioning in the review though. Didn't this strike anyone as a definite change in the feel of the game? tl;dr New modules introduce a lot more elements of chance to the game, why wasn't this discussed in the review?
From reading the writing on the item and crisis cards Tom revealed the locations are the same six (school, library, police station and so on). I didn't see the location cards fall out in the component drop but if the game is able to be played as a standalone they have to be there. The Roxxon location didn't drop either but we saw it later so I assume Tom left them out of the drop because they are too large and would cover too much up.
I'm confused... the component drop clearly shows some frosted green dice as well as black dice. None of the unboxing videos I have seen contain either of these dice. Were these added to the game by you guys? Or is there a different version?
Is everything from the original game in this box? It is a stand alone expansion but what i mean is, does Dead of winter vanilla still have stuff thats not in the long night?
I still think they could've been way more creative when it comes to crisis. We rarely even read what the crisis is supposed to be about it always just "give x items" anyway
I know right. the crisis need some creative, yet irritating features; like during the crisis on that turn, something bad going on, giving a bit challenge. For example: During this crisis, all characters' attack n search points is increased by 1, or if u perform search noise happens, or all items cannot be equiped by any character, or force all of characters back from non-colony locations to the colony, etc...
Aiman Azman The game is just so damn mathy. My gaming group consists of mostly IT guys and in this game you usually know how many zombies are spawning at which location, how many zombies you can kill with the dice you have rolled etc. Most of the time the best route to go is just so painfully obvious. Even the 2-4 crossroad cards that trigger per game barely make a difference. Sometimes there's some nice flavour text and it's funny when the cards have really specific ways of triggering and yet they somehow do BUT the effect they have on the game is usually non-existent.
Exactly. There's so much to do with very limited resources. Every single move can bring either good or bad possibilities, not to mention the unexpected crossroads n dice rollings. In addition, this game tests our loyalty among players n game plannings, it brings us conflicts n arguements...we could survive the game but almost always didnt win it. To be honest, this is the badass game i must win before i die
Looks good. But as of this moment, I can get this game for $25.00 cheaper than the original. Should I do it, or just pay the extra money and get the original?
Excellent review. This looks like a solid follow-up to the original. I can't wait to play it. One question: Could you pull one or two characters from the original game to use in The Long Night (like, Sparky the Stunt Dog, for example)? Would using one or two original DoW characters break the game in any way?
Wow, had played Dead of Winter a few times and liked, but found it a bit more stressful than fun, so never wanted to get. But with new stuff, I really want this. Wonder how fast it will sell out at Origins?
I had written a lot more...but we'll suffice it to say that I'll be over here enjoying my apple, while you sit over there enjoying your orange, shall we? Thanks!
As I've said before, SoA was too realistic for my tastes. Last I checked, we don't actually have zombies, mutant hordes, and fictitious pharmaceutical companies with experimental, DNA-altering drugs lying about...but we do have exactly all of the elements that SoA offers, don't we? The two games are quite different. So, liking one and not the other shouldn't instill any confusion at all.
I dunno, I still think it is weird. We don't have zombies and such, but we do have instances where people are stranded and turn on each other. They resort to looting and "survival of the fittest" with many things happening just as they do in Dead of Winter. DoW is more about the people and their survival than the zombies. They are really just secondary to everything else.
New characters and more cards sounds great, and I like the improvements idea, but all the other modules sound like bloat for a game where a lot was already going on. A pass for me. Also, L4D zombies ripped off right down to naming the big one the Tank.
I noticed that... as well as the Freddie zombie and the J-horror girl and a couple of others... I think at least five or six of those zombies are probably groaning "Copyright infringement" instead of "Brains!" Having said, I think it does sound like a really interesting expansion to the original game. I might give it a try.
if only they add Vehicles to spice things up, but required some fuels, tools for fixing, even books to provide manual use of the vehicles. This way there'll be an objective called Escape from the Winter. like finding vehicle parts, keys n all characters must be gathered at the colony to escape..
I know this is a late reply, but they seem like bloat, but just Raxon and the improvements are nice and add flavor. I never play with Bandits because they make the game feel clunky in my eyes. RAxon isn't bad at all cause its pretty easy to manage. They are fun to play with and allow you to really power trip a bit. Something they didn't mention that my group noticed is the cards in this set(the characters mostly) generally are simply better. You feel like most of the cards have more impact and value then the other set, so the added complexity and difficulty is easier to manage. As for the l4d rip off? I kinda assumed it was simply paying respects to it as a game in the same franchise but I'm a little more forgiving about that sort of thing.
+Jimmy Song The current price for Dead of Winter on Amazon.com is lower than what it was on Cool Stuff Inc. or directly from Plaid Hat Games...plus, the fact that shipping is free (Amazon Prime), the price will be lower...
+Gabriel Garcia not sure if you are new to the hobby, but coolstuffinc.com is the sponsor for the Dice Tower. And also the sponsor of GenCon (national convention for board game hobbies). It's hard to not know their name. Miniaturemarket.com is another competitive rival business of theirs. They are both cutting away at Amazon's profits in board gaming hobby because these online hobby stores buy these games in bulk; amazon however has a broad range of products and can't bulk buy a vast amount of games like the online stores do. TL;DR Yes they are real websites. It's cheap cause online hobby stores buy games in bulk. Amazon does not
+Jimmy Song Whether they buy it bulk or not, Amazon (maybe not now, but did) have Dead of Winter available for cheaper than CoolStuffInc. They're bound to have the expansion cheaper too eventually.
bummer. i was hoping for more of an expansion not a retread. more characters and locations is all I'd really want. I'll probably get this at some point as I like variety but it's not a day one must have for me.
Ah, good to be back. Entering a new chapter in my life (new country, new work, new everything)I have discarded any board game-related videos from my UA-cam diet a couple of months ago and just watched this out of the whim, basically. What a bunch of kids :) Love you guys, you still rock - and the game looks amazing!
I just don't feel like there's any point to this. Seems okay, but I would've preferred a smaller box expansion not a whole separate game that looks problematic to integrate / mix.
Late reply, but when you play the Last Night, you can tell they rebalanced a lot of the stuff, characters, items, so on. The game doesn't play on the same power scale of the original. It's more accurate to describe this as a rebalanced, completed version than an expansion. I would frankly say if you own the original, it is what it is, but if you are buying for the first time, skip the original and get the Last Night
why the graveyard doesn't have any utility in this game? wasn't there an OBVIOUS possibilty to have on certain conditions dead people ressurecting from the graveyard as zombies?.....was wrong with the designer?! i will implement that rule!
they uped the difficulty?! are you kidding me!!! do I just sucking at this game or what? it seems to me like if you do have a traitor there is a 100% chance that you will lose already.
I completely agree. I've yet to win a game. The main objective is achievable, but at the cost of your secret objective which is really all that matters. Especially with a traitor. I def don't need to make this game harder.
I know this is a late reply, but something they didn't mention in the video is the characters and items you find in Last Night are in general just better. If you play with Raxon, Raxon can actually break the game, no lie. For example, one they didn't mention allows you to take one item from the top four of any item deck other than raxon. So they make it "harder" in certain regards, but you start out on a somewhat more even playing field.
I played base game few times with my gf. But I delayed buying it because of expansion. Looking at everything, IF you only plan to get either base game or expansion, which one would you get?! Expansion is tougher, but seems to me that you get more re playability out of him? Yes, you don't get so much crossroad cards, but a lot of time those cards failed to do anything in base game from what we saw. Half of the cards were if you control this or that character that you never would, and so on... Since only thing from what I see lacking in Expansion is number of crossroads cards compared to original, right? Everything else you get same number, right? So I simply don't see why get base game, when you get more of everything in this expansion. ANd you can decide which stuff to use and which not to. And characters, equipment etc seems more fun from this expansion than from base gama?!
As a person who has played both I would get the original game first. There is not that many main objectives in the expansion, If i remember correctly there are half. I could see that becoming an issue if you only had the expansion. You also are going to have alot of the crossroads cards in the expansion still trigger off certain characters. Yes you get the same number of location cards but they are different. You also get less characters 20 in the expansion vs 30 in the base game. In addition some of the characters are only used with certain modules. In my opinion I really enjoyed the expansion but I would only get it if you have the base game. Otherwise the replayability is less than the original. Just because it gets repetitive.
this "expansion" does not expand the first game, but aims to completely replace it. therefore with this move plaidhat insults everybody who owns the first game and isn´t a millionaire. small expansions for the original game would have clearly been the way to go. they lost me on future dow products for sure
I'm in the same boat as you are. The original is just 2 years old and this seems very much like a replacement. A proper expansion would've been great but I don't need another Dead of Winter that I will most likely not mix with the original stuff anyway just to get Tim Taylor to do some home improvements.
there r more characters we need other than them...like a football player, wrestler, inspector, musician, thief, psycologist, courageous kid, sad clown :P, etc..
More of the same is the best type of expansion. Increases the variety without introducing more complexity. This could've just been new characters, crossroads, and goals and that would've been sufficient for me.
+Jim I feel your frustration. This IS a cash grab but if people want to spend their money and support those kinds of business decisions then what can you do? I think we had a similar set of comments on the Havoc at Homestead 2 so to keep it brief I "expect", as Mr Healy put it, a business to consider its customers and to make good decisions that support loyalty. At the end of the day however money sure does have a way of making morally good decisions seem less effective than dirty tactics.
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It would have been nice of them to focus their time on something new instead of this. And it would have been nice if this was a true expansion (with an expansion MSRP) instead of the whole game again. Kind of a slap in the face to those of us who bought the original.
This is definitely a No Buy for me. This is basically a gold edition without ever having released the expansions separately so you can't help but feel that you're buying the same product twice.
It isn't so much a cash grab if you play it. I would probably have thought of it like this. Dead of Winter is a beta and the Dead of Winter Last Night is more like the full version. Frankly the game is the same, as they mentioned, if you remove the editions, except for the fact the game feels like it fits together better. What do I mean? Well the characters in general feel better. There are better weapons as well. The game overall just feels a little more balanced in certain regards. The pieces in certain places also feel better built. Honestly? My perosnal opinion is skip the base game and just get Last Night and that is all you need. The only sad thing is you don't get the dog. Otherwise? You get a superior product.
I love the character design in this game. Absolutely stunning.
those special zombies do remind me a lot of Left 4 Dead :D
Indeed, though I don't mind really.
looks like a good standalone expansion, but for what I want out of the box (the new cards and characters) I will be happy with my base game.
I love seeing/hearing Tom get *so excited* during his description of the game!
I haven't had a chance to play the original yet, but I've been wanting to since I first heard of it, and I've watched the review enough times that I feel I know the game somewhat. This looks like a great expansion/sequel, especially the Raxxon module. The only drawback I can think of offhand is that after you have played it a few times, you'll know the potential effects of the pills, and thematically, it would be more interesting if each time you found unidentified pills, they were completely unknown to you. (Maybe adding the possibility of researching the pills before taking them, especially if you have the pharmacist character in play, vs. just trying them blindly.)
Building improvements seems like a great idea, and very natural to the game. Both Tom and Sam referred to it as "wasting" time and resources, which sounds pretty negative. I'm sure it's not always a waste, though, but a strategic choice of how you're going to spend your efforts. I like the idea of the DVD player. Maybe your choice of movies could determine whether it raises or lowers morale? And some movies would have an added noise penalty...
I also would've liked to know more about the chimp. :-) In my version, one of the Crossroads cards would reveal that the chimp actually has the mind of the evil CEO of Raxxon, and he wants to take over the world with his undead legions.
For the next expansion, I would love to see them try a rural setting (naturally inspired by Hershel's farm in Walking Dead). Woods, barns, silos, FARMING EQUIPMENT, zombified animals, etc. And I would call it..."The Heartland." Mmmm...tasty, tasty hearts...
Just a heads up, I tried mixing the two games.(we really just wanted the dog to be honest), but the crossroad and the character cards use different colors. If you mix them, you CAN tell. Just as an fyi it doesn't quite work unless your group doesn't pay attention to that kind of thing. My group was a bunch of mtg players who are very aware of things like marking, so all of us noticed it.
Raxxon is a nice cross reference to Plaid Hat's other game, Specter Ops. That whole game takes place in a Raxxon lab.
Raxxon Pharmaceuticals was part of the original lore for Dead of Winter. They're the company that is responsible for the zombie outbreak. Then while developing Spectre Ops, Plaid Hat decided to set it in the future in a Raxxon facility. The biggest piece of lore that links the too is that Raxxon was aware that they had unleashed the zombie virus and positioned themselves to take advantage of the outbreak. This allowed them to become an extremely powerful cooperation, which is why Raxxon is the target of the agents in Spectre Ops.
So. Much. Want. This just looks like everything I love about the base game, PLUS!
Nothing makes my heart flutter more than the though of blue with a switch blade
can you play the pieces of The Long Night to play the basic version of Dead of Winter (i.e. i mean does it have enough pieces if i remove the expansion components just in case i want to play with newbies using the Long Night game)?
Gah! I have the Broken Token organizer for the first one, I can see this needing it's own organizer, maybe another DoW original organizer will work for this one...
Not sure if anyone pointed it out, but this base game has less content than original Dead of Winter, so I'd still recommend the original over this one. There are 50% more survivors in original Dead of Winter than in base game and original also has more Crossroads cards as well as more scenarios and objectives.
So content wise original is much bigger. But Long Night has interesting variant modules that the original does not have.
4:31 The problem with the vault is that while that is a very low and deep fun thing to add
Nowadays people really don't have secrets like that to keep and neither would they give a juicy one out either
Someone in the dead of winter community should create a variant to do colony vs colony if you have both games to combine both
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Glad Tom did the overview for this one. Probably didn't want the 40 minutes review :)
Man I wish they would put out a release date for this game. I'm chomping at the bit for it especially after this review.
3:01 Anita Wallace - Unknown... Someone in Plaid Hat Games is a DC fan ;)
Heck yeah.
@Jon Gilmour nice to see you made your wife a survivor and not a zombie! Good strategy.
I got both of mine to, more or less, fit in one box by using a Plano box.
Biggest issue I can see is the amount of survivors having unusual amounts of lenient dice requirements, too many survivors are capable of using low dice rolls for standard actions making them Over Powered as a result. Also there should be a few crappy survivors you can draw and be stuck with who say require 5+ dice for searching and attacking I feel that would help balance out the game.
You can play some of the new expansions without having to buy it. Just add some new tokens for this and that. I would rather buy another game they get this. The base game still has plenty of replay value
Thank you I'm now buying the game
I preorder this game when I heard is was coming out. I was wondering if you heard when it will be released and it will be shipped to me? Since you have yours.
can you guys do a preview about the mini expansion thats coming that lets you play camp vs camp
which one should i buy the first one or this one?? since they are stand alone
I got told that if you did not have the vanilla game, just get Long night. LN has all of the same components as the vanilla game plus 3 extra modules (also better basic components overall). Literally the only differences between the two after that are the characters and the crossroad cards. LN can be considered more a deluxe edition of the vanilla game.
I might be wrong but weren't they promising locations like shopping mall and there was one more I cant remember?
who had to clean up all that mess of dramatically dumping the box on the table?
If I don't have eather game, which one should I get?
If you remove the duplicate items (buildings, tokens) and some of the zombies would it fit in one box?
I haven't taken the cardboard thingy out (which is kinda necessary for the cards), but I barely, and I mean BARELY, fit everything from just The Long Night in the box. The amount of standees is too damn high! :P
What do you think about the character ability in comparison to the original set? To me they seem like they have more involved abilities rather than simply, "take two cards instead of one when searching".
I also found that the items in characters in LAst Night were just better in most cases.
more characters and crossroads cards gives me reason enough to buy the game. though I'll wait a while for the price to drop a bit.
Suprised that your guys didn't talk about the more random elements of the new modules. For me and my friends, the difficulty in the original all lies with how often you have to roll for exposure; if you play well, you can avoid rolling it often, and have a much greater chance of winning. Granted, there are still elements of chance beyond your control in the game, such as Crossroads cards, action die rolls each round, even how the shuffle of item decks comes out, but they weren't overwelming elements. The two big modules in The Long Night adds a lot more chance into the game, and I feel its to its detriment. Crisis cards were already pot luck, but they now add bandits, and getting back what the bandits take also requires you to roll on a table. These are both elements of chance, things you can't plan for or affect at all. Likewise, Raxxon requires you to roll for exposure whenever you search there, and the special zombies both require you to, completely by luck, have the right dice for the containment combination, and if released involve mroe random chance to get rid of.
I appreciate that these new elements were meant to be challenging, and had to be governed by some kind of mechanic. But all these added chance components heavily tip the game from one being about calculated risk to one one where luck dominates much more heavily. Maybe that's what people like, and I'm not saying they're incorrect: if I don't like the modules, I can make up my own rules for how they work or not use them entirely. I think something like this is worth mentioning in the review though. Didn't this strike anyone as a definite change in the feel of the game?
tl;dr New modules introduce a lot more elements of chance to the game, why wasn't this discussed in the review?
Does the game come with the original 6 locations, or what other locations are there so that the came could be played standalone?
From reading the writing on the item and crisis cards Tom revealed the locations are the same six (school, library, police station and so on). I didn't see the location cards fall out in the component drop but if the game is able to be played as a standalone they have to be there.
The Roxxon location didn't drop either but we saw it later so I assume Tom left them out of the drop because they are too large and would cover too much up.
I'm confused... the component drop clearly shows some frosted green dice as well as black dice. None of the unboxing videos I have seen contain either of these dice. Were these added to the game by you guys? Or is there a different version?
Sorry, I added them and forgot to remove them before the drop.
Well good thing next year they are adding another expansion for 10 player colony wars
11 player, amigo. I have all three, but haven't yet played Warring Colonies.
Is everything from the original game in this box? It is a stand alone expansion but what i mean is, does Dead of winter vanilla still have stuff thats not in the long night?
I am guessing the characters and some cards.
So is everything in the original dead of winter also in this game?
I still think they could've been way more creative when it comes to crisis. We rarely even read what the crisis is supposed to be about it always just "give x items" anyway
I know right. the crisis need some creative, yet irritating features; like during the crisis on that turn, something bad going on, giving a bit challenge.
For example: During this crisis, all characters' attack n search points is increased by 1, or if u perform search noise happens, or all items cannot be equiped by any character, or force all of characters back from non-colony locations to the colony, etc...
Aiman Azman The game is just so damn mathy. My gaming group consists of mostly IT guys and in this game you usually know how many zombies are spawning at which location, how many zombies you can kill with the dice you have rolled etc. Most of the time the best route to go is just so painfully obvious. Even the 2-4 crossroad cards that trigger per game barely make a difference. Sometimes there's some nice flavour text and it's funny when the cards have really specific ways of triggering and yet they somehow do BUT the effect they have on the game is usually non-existent.
Exactly. There's so much to do with very limited resources. Every single move can bring either good or bad possibilities, not to mention the unexpected crossroads n dice rollings. In addition, this game tests our loyalty among players n game plannings, it brings us conflicts n arguements...we could survive the game but almost always didnt win it. To be honest, this is the badass game i must win before i die
Looks like fun with some new options.
Looks good. But as of this moment, I can get this game for $25.00 cheaper than the original. Should I do it, or just pay the extra money and get the original?
Cool review!
Is the main game board the exact same as the base game?
Excellent review. This looks like a solid follow-up to the original. I can't wait to play it. One question: Could you pull one or two characters from the original game to use in The Long Night (like, Sparky the Stunt Dog, for example)? Would using one or two original DoW characters break the game in any way?
Not a problem, the original characters can easily jump into The Long Night.
You just need to remember to import any Crossroad cards that specifically mention them, like the heart attack. 😬
Wow, had played Dead of Winter a few times and liked, but found it a bit more stressful than fun, so never wanted to get. But with new stuff, I really want this. Wonder how fast it will sell out at Origins?
So Sam can handle zombies and killing and stealing and drugs in Dead of Winter, but not in Sons of Anarchy? I'm confused.
I had written a lot more...but we'll suffice it to say that I'll be over here enjoying my apple, while you sit over there enjoying your orange, shall we? Thanks!
Sure, but I enjoy both since I don't have a problem with either. :-P
As I've said before, SoA was too realistic for my tastes. Last I checked, we don't actually have zombies, mutant hordes, and fictitious pharmaceutical companies with experimental, DNA-altering drugs lying about...but we do have exactly all of the elements that SoA offers, don't we? The two games are quite different. So, liking one and not the other shouldn't instill any confusion at all.
I dunno, I still think it is weird. We don't have zombies and such, but we do have instances where people are stranded and turn on each other. They resort to looting and "survival of the fittest" with many things happening just as they do in Dead of Winter. DoW is more about the people and their survival than the zombies. They are really just secondary to everything else.
Do they add rules for influence?
New characters and more cards sounds great, and I like the improvements idea, but all the other modules sound like bloat for a game where a lot was already going on. A pass for me. Also, L4D zombies ripped off right down to naming the big one the Tank.
I noticed that... as well as the Freddie zombie and the J-horror girl and a couple of others... I think at least five or six of those zombies are probably groaning "Copyright infringement" instead of "Brains!"
Having said, I think it does sound like a really interesting expansion to the original game. I might give it a try.
if only they add Vehicles to spice things up, but required some fuels, tools for fixing, even books to provide manual use of the vehicles. This way there'll be an objective called Escape from the Winter. like finding vehicle parts, keys n all characters must be gathered at the colony to escape..
I know this is a late reply, but they seem like bloat, but just Raxon and the improvements are nice and add flavor. I never play with Bandits because they make the game feel clunky in my eyes. RAxon isn't bad at all cause its pretty easy to manage. They are fun to play with and allow you to really power trip a bit. Something they didn't mention that my group noticed is the cards in this set(the characters mostly) generally are simply better. You feel like most of the cards have more impact and value then the other set, so the added complexity and difficulty is easier to manage. As for the l4d rip off? I kinda assumed it was simply paying respects to it as a game in the same franchise but I'm a little more forgiving about that sort of thing.
get the box organizer!!! works great for me!!
So whats the release date for this then? I pre-ordered it.
Looks like between July 30th to August 5th
This isn't out yet, right?
I would have preferred a bandit and new character expansion over this.
Kevin Jackson is 100% from The Walking Dead Cartoon
I want it. Been kinda looking forward to this for awhile :3
Sold!!!!
Left 4 Dead edition...
does the expansion have the original characters too?
Sadly, no.
Jos van Winkel what a damn shame.
Will this be out at Origins?
I'll be buying this once it hits Amazon.com...
Amazon will probably be closer to the retail price. Why not from a online store like coolstuffinc or miniaturemarket?
+Jimmy Song The current price for Dead of Winter on Amazon.com is lower than what it was on Cool Stuff Inc. or directly from Plaid Hat Games...plus, the fact that shipping is free (Amazon Prime), the price will be lower...
+Jimmy Song are those legitimate websites? Or how can they sell it cheaper than retail
+Gabriel Garcia not sure if you are new to the hobby, but coolstuffinc.com is the sponsor for the Dice Tower. And also the sponsor of GenCon (national convention for board game hobbies). It's hard to not know their name. Miniaturemarket.com is another competitive rival business of theirs. They are both cutting away at Amazon's profits in board gaming hobby because these online hobby stores buy these games in bulk; amazon however has a broad range of products and can't bulk buy a vast amount of games like the online stores do.
TL;DR Yes they are real websites. It's cheap cause online hobby stores buy games in bulk. Amazon does not
+Jimmy Song Whether they buy it bulk or not, Amazon (maybe not now, but did) have Dead of Winter available for cheaper than CoolStuffInc. They're bound to have the expansion cheaper too eventually.
So bandits make the game harder? This is already a game where I think the traitor has a huge advantage
we usually lost to the traitor.. so yea, I agree with you.
Thank you SO much for the comment on kids. It helped me prioritize this game on my list.
Nice video guys
bummer. i was hoping for more of an expansion not a retread. more characters and locations is all I'd really want. I'll probably get this at some point as I like variety but it's not a day one must have for me.
imagine a pack of this game called “Walking Dead of Winter”
Ah, good to be back.
Entering a new chapter in my life (new country, new work, new everything)I have discarded any board game-related videos from my UA-cam diet a couple of months ago and just watched this out of the whim, basically. What a bunch of kids :) Love you guys, you still rock - and the game looks amazing!
YAAASS Team Animal!!!! :D
shuddup and take my money this is travelling to my home any day now when in shops.
I just don't feel like there's any point to this. Seems okay, but I would've preferred a smaller box expansion not a whole separate game that looks problematic to integrate / mix.
Late reply, but when you play the Last Night, you can tell they rebalanced a lot of the stuff, characters, items, so on. The game doesn't play on the same power scale of the original. It's more accurate to describe this as a rebalanced, completed version than an expansion. I would frankly say if you own the original, it is what it is, but if you are buying for the first time, skip the original and get the Last Night
why the graveyard doesn't have any utility in this game? wasn't there an OBVIOUS possibilty to have on certain conditions dead people ressurecting from the graveyard as zombies?.....was wrong with the designer?! i will implement that rule!
Stève SIKATI that actually is a great idea. wonder why that want implemented? oh well, hindsight is always 20/20, eh?
Hey, so a year later and there is a card that does exactly that.
they uped the difficulty?! are you kidding me!!! do I just sucking at this game or what? it seems to me like if you do have a traitor there is a 100% chance that you will lose already.
I completely agree. I've yet to win a game. The main objective is achievable, but at the cost of your secret objective which is really all that matters. Especially with a traitor. I def don't need to make this game harder.
I know this is a late reply, but something they didn't mention in the video is the characters and items you find in Last Night are in general just better. If you play with Raxon, Raxon can actually break the game, no lie. For example, one they didn't mention allows you to take one item from the top four of any item deck other than raxon. So they make it "harder" in certain regards, but you start out on a somewhat more even playing field.
I played base game few times with my gf. But I delayed buying it because of expansion. Looking at everything, IF you only plan to get either base game or expansion, which one would you get?!
Expansion is tougher, but seems to me that you get more re playability out of him? Yes, you don't get so much crossroad cards, but a lot of time those cards failed to do anything in base game from what we saw. Half of the cards were if you control this or that character that you never would, and so on...
Since only thing from what I see lacking in Expansion is number of crossroads cards compared to original, right? Everything else you get same number, right?
So I simply don't see why get base game, when you get more of everything in this expansion. ANd you can decide which stuff to use and which not to. And characters, equipment etc seems more fun from this expansion than from base gama?!
As a person who has played both I would get the original game first. There is not that many main objectives in the expansion, If i remember correctly there are half. I could see that becoming an issue if you only had the expansion.
You also are going to have alot of the crossroads cards in the expansion still trigger off certain characters.
Yes you get the same number of location cards but they are different. You also get less characters 20 in the expansion vs 30 in the base game. In addition some of the characters are only used with certain modules.
In my opinion I really enjoyed the expansion but I would only get it if you have the base game. Otherwise the replayability is less than the original. Just because it gets repetitive.
"The night is dark" ... "and full of terrors"
How is this Stand-alone? It seems to only have 2/3 locations????
All the other locations are included in the box as well.
It has all the regular locations in addition to the new ones.
Thank you. So if you own both versions you will have duplicates of the colony and 6 locations?
Is the artwork or layout any different?
+webjaker no, the locations in 'The Long Night' are actual boards as opposed to the originals cardboard.
Intriguing. So a bit of an upgrade?
this "expansion" does not expand the first game, but aims to completely replace it. therefore with this move plaidhat insults everybody who owns the first game and isn´t a millionaire. small expansions for the original game would have clearly been the way to go. they lost me on future dow products for sure
I'm in the same boat as you are. The original is just 2 years old and this seems very much like a replacement. A proper expansion would've been great but I don't need another Dead of Winter that I will most likely not mix with the original stuff anyway just to get Tim Taylor to do some home improvements.
Static :(
Is this available yet?
+Chris Gallo not yet. Supposed to be released some time in June.
there r more characters we need other than them...like a football player, wrestler, inspector, musician, thief, psycologist, courageous kid, sad clown :P, etc..
I've heard this one is sloppy and a lot of the items are over powered.
Its more of the same, so its a cash grab.
More of the same is the best type of expansion. Increases the variety without introducing more complexity. This could've just been new characters, crossroads, and goals and that would've been sufficient for me.
+Jim I feel your frustration. This IS a cash grab but if people want to spend their money and support those kinds of business decisions then what can you do? I think we had a similar set of comments on the Havoc at Homestead 2 so to keep it brief I "expect", as Mr Healy put it, a business to consider its customers and to make good decisions that support loyalty. At the end of the day however money sure does have a way of making morally good decisions seem less effective than dirty tactics.
It would have been nice of them to focus their time on something new instead of this.
And it would have been nice if this was a true expansion (with an expansion MSRP) instead of the whole game again. Kind of a slap in the face to those of us who bought the original.
This is definitely a No Buy for me. This is basically a gold edition without ever having released the expansions separately so you can't help but feel that you're buying the same product twice.
It isn't so much a cash grab if you play it. I would probably have thought of it like this. Dead of Winter is a beta and the Dead of Winter Last Night is more like the full version. Frankly the game is the same, as they mentioned, if you remove the editions, except for the fact the game feels like it fits together better. What do I mean? Well the characters in general feel better. There are better weapons as well. The game overall just feels a little more balanced in certain regards. The pieces in certain places also feel better built. Honestly? My perosnal opinion is skip the base game and just get Last Night and that is all you need. The only sad thing is you don't get the dog. Otherwise? You get a superior product.
Don't take the red pill
Blue is a girl.
I hate the standups :/
Agreed. They are way too tall and fall over quite easily.