LuckyLaker Fishfinder sonar depth sounder first impressions. Expedition lifeboat conv Ep108 [4K]
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- Опубліковано 7 гру 2023
- (With around 60% experimental AI voiceover. See if you can work out which bit is which. Full explanation in Episode 109)
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EPISODE 108
Depth sounding has been hit and miss for passages and anchorage thus far. I don't want to install a costly, fixed, intrusive sounder, so thought I'd trial a cheap, portable model instead.
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Some of you are right! This video (and only this video) has around 60% AI cloned voiceover. I explain what, and why, in EP109, but well done to some for noticing, and those of you thinking I just sound like that are off my festive card list!
I wonder, since it’s round, impacted by waves and will be rarely perpendicular, if you’ll get readings from angles that will make it massively out?
The simple things give it away. Where you would have a few milliseconds more pause between sentences, it did not. It hasn't your public speaking finesse. Yet. Thank you for taking the time to do this video and experiment. The depth sounder made me think of ways to secure it in use. I'm thinking of a structure made with polymerized vinyl chloride monomer in a shape that can be mathematically described using a formula X^2+Y^2= 1. Barring that a plastic drain pipe might do. I wonder what range that thing has?
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That's the academic rigour we aspire to on Team Alan.
I had no idea which parts were Ai. Seems very good!!
I have been using a lead line for apprixmate depths, old school!!! but no good when moving. Hopefully this would work when being dragged along or maybe make a little bracket for it off the stern for shallow water situations?
What I would say though is be careful of dodgy apps you install to run stuff like this as they can steal all of your data.
If only my data were that valuable!
An audio book red by you would be fantastic
I like your brand of humour.
Interesting
Alex, your depth sounder solution resonated well with me🙂. Are you able to share the name of the app you used. I just ordered an LL for my trailer sailer but could not find any reference to an app on their website. Possibly owing to my laziness when approach 43C today in Sydney!!
The gadgets come with a document about how to use the app. It's called WifiFishFinder in the App Store.
Cheers
Nasty Southerly Buster in Sydney today, sounds terrifying.
Hmmm, you may want to check with Luckylaker about a sponsorship. Also they may have ideas about a mount for you that they have thought about but may not have readied for sale. You may become a beta tester for them.
Always interested in R&D partnerships, but I think for cheap units like this, it's best for me and you lot for me to be truly independent, and not financially tied to the company.
Sounds like a practical solution... and cheap and small enough to have a couple of spares in case of loss or damage.
Do you really need a bracket and suspend it from the bow or is it good enough to just trail it behind?
After losing Alanson II from “just trailing it behind” I reckon Alex will be a bit wary of repeating such a disastrous event.
Yes, I think these sorts of units would be pulled to 90 degrees and not work, if not held in a mount when underway. Also, best to have a sounder up front.
@@AlexHibbertOriginals I’m trying to remember which hatch gives you easiest access to the outside. The boat is neither long enough nor fast enough that it matters where the temporary sonar is deployed. But I take your point that it needs some kind of mount/stick to keep it upright.
Will do the job although you kinda need a screen the consistency displays the data. Often when you need to know, you don’t have time to launch an app, connect to device and wait for the data to display. You can get a fish finder for £100, stick transducer on your boat at water level and you will be able to keep an eye on it all the time.
Did you not understand the part where Alex says “I’m not doing that” with reference to hanging a fish finder off the boat? The ice would rip off an external transducer and you can’t access the hull for a through transducer.
It's true I did cover this, but in Dan's defence, there's always space for modifying a plan. This portable system is definitely staying, but that's not to say that I couldn't try and find a suboptimal but workable location to mount a simple nasa in hull transducer. The only space I can think of that's not taken up by foam or metalwork is the zone beneath the battery box.
@@teeanahera8949 chill out mate. Obviously not quite as engaged with every word he says like you.
@@AlexHibbertOriginals thanks Alex. I thought I would just point it out as I had one of these portable fish finders and it was a pain in the ass.
@@teeanahera8949 ice doesnt rip off external transducers unless you plow thru it at speed in which case it will rip holes in your hull. have you ever been on a boat or are you just cosplaying ?
This video was posted 3 weeks ago, and I’m just now seeing it? Curse you, UA-cam!
And a controversial one it was!
After reading all the humorous and not so humorous comments I kept wondering about killing two whatsits with one thingamebob. An open ended tube, hanging vertically a few centimetres in the water and rising up off one side of Alan with the sonar ball floating within, tether still attached and fixed to the top of the tube. It’s in Bluetooth range of your iPhone, can’t get lost and may not bob around so much with the waves. Can be deployed and retrieved at a moment’s notice.
Yep, that's broadly the idea, or mounted on the end of a carbon rod which runs though two or three guide rings.
Do Scottish fish only swim to the left?
An excellent observation, however fish in the southern hemisphere also only swim to the left. Must be something to do with Uranus being too close. 😮😂 (every cheap fish finder I’ve ever had has shoals of fish of all sizes swimming nonchalantly under the boat, I bought a more expensive one and now there are bigger shoals of fish! What better marketing ploy for people to buy sonar thingies could there be?!)
Another thing to break just when you need it most 🤣
That doesn't look expedition ready to me. Is the battery rated to work in cold weather? Also, when moving unless it's rigidly mounted I doubt the sender/receiver will stay vertical enough and steady enough to get a usable reading. I'd go with a proper depth sounder for sure and just keep that for Alanson if you really need it.
Well, it'll have a little lithium ion battery inside, so there's no reason why it shouldn't last in the cold for enough time to anchor. The sphere itself is tough, and a spare would be easy to carry. I mentioned a bow mount that would allow flow with waves but not roll or move sideways. (Maybe) I should have illustrated.
@@AlexHibbertOriginals My understanding is that lithium batteries struggle in the cold, and can fail to work completely in freezing temps. I'm not sure what temperatures you'll be encountering but it's worth considering. Also that little USB charge port will most likely fail as soon as any salt water gets near it. I work with boat electrics and salt will spread and coat every component if you spend any length of time on the ocean. Any electrical component on board has to salt rated or completely sealed.
I think by the time you faff about making that small thing work you could have implemented a similar setup using a reliable Alan-powered sonar with retractable transducer. It's very common to have transducers mounted in non-fixed ways on boats that are launched on beaches etc. where a normal mounting isn't suitable. The only thing to watch is that they are not run out of the water for any length of time. I don't know how thick the hull is and what accessibility is like but you can do a simple shoot-through transducer on many hulls and it works fine. Otherwise a stainless or alu mount could be made for the stern to protect a transducer quite easily. I consider it a pretty essential bit of gear for any ocean going vessel - a depth alarm is a wonderful thing when navigating unfamiliar waters. Anywho, these are just non angry suggestions made in good faith, so please take them in that tone and do what you feel is the right thing.
Most lithium chemistries behave pretty well in the cold in discharge/under normal load. In general I only see a moderate % reduction in capacity and performance, especially from primary lithium AAs. It's in charging Li-ion/LiFePO4 etc that there's an issue. Applying a charging current below freezing can damage or destroy them. But most sorts of batteries hate charging below zero, and in addition, most hate discharging in the cold too, which makes lithium better on that front.
I agree on your second point. This little unit may end up a portable secondary device, but I need to work out the practicalities of an in hull transducer.
There are relatively inexpensive ice-fishing or portable fish finders with the sonar bit mountable anywhere. I've used them on rental boats using a suction cup or on a piece of wood clamped to the transom. Your ingenuity would easily find a way. Reliable, robust, and self contained with only a 12v sorce required.
3:11 why would you want a depth sounder to be able to "rise and fall with waves" when you're using it to measure depth from your hull to the sea floor???
It doesn't work with an air gap, and it's not designed to be fully submerged.
@@AlexHibbertOriginalsso you need to get good at estimating the wave height and also know Alan's draft ... not that difficult .
If you work on depth from the surface it neatly matches up with charted depths. We use that in navigation.
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the AI is close enough to risk the casual observer missing it. risks of AI abound
It's close-ish, I agree. Passable if you thought I was tired and had had a bad day.
In my opinion, never rely on phones and apps for safety on a boat. Get something profen hardwired in and then, yes you can still have a backup. I hope you don't start measuring your speed in km/h or even m/h :S
Alex that's not a sonar depth sounder, it's a toy!
I have an original Thunderbirds Tracy Island. It's a toy. But it works perfectly and appreciates in value each year.
Take that! 😂
@@AlexHibbertOriginalsBy a fixed sonar with a proper screen.If you just need to know how deep it is, there are solution far better than that. For your kind of navigation it's mandatory.
It's becoming more difficult to identify _real_ Alex from _malevolent time traveling future Alex._
Or is it Alan channelling malevolence through an intermediary?
@@AlexHibbertOriginals _Our savoir or the source of our doom?_
Tune in next week for the further adventures of _ALLEN._
The audio sounds very strange. I don't know if it's AI or just a recording artifact, but if it is AI, I think the general audience reaction would be overwhelmingly negative.
dumbness this episode - cheap toy as sonar, no forwardscan on an expedition boat going thru ice, assuming phone as sonar display makes sense, not bothering to test toy sonar underway.
So a good chunk of this was AI generated voice over huh?
I'm barely a minute in and already scratching my head, gonna keep watching to see if he reveals it but it definitely sounds weird as hell
I think it's because the mic on his camera picked up his audio along with the mic he had on him. The result seems to be AI Alex lol
No, he just speaks that way.
Everything is Ai now.
AL-generated voice over
Learn to Fish. Børge Ousland ate birds, which was somewhat yucky.
I was taught how to in Avanerriaq, but not from a boat. Only through the ice.
"Svenskepilk" is the keyword on Arctic Ocean bottom fishing. And several kilometers of fishing line.
That's funny. Because I thought you finally started sounding more articulate.
But no.
Imo, this ai voice sounds super scuffed and the voiceover section of you talking to the camera is just weird. I usually love the videos, but this seems like downgrade from your usual content.
I agree that the audio sounds weird, but I think it's just some kind of recording artifact.
@@rorypenstock1763 what a shame for your talking point that 6 hours later it’s revealed that YES, TWAS AN AI VOICE!
@@firstletterofthealphabet7308 Yep, I stand corrected. I just didn't think Alex would be the kind of guy to use AI voice.
'The people you most need to stand tall are the first to let you down.' Auto-generated wise but nonsensical proverb)